Ok, I was fine up until this point: "Strictly speaking, follow through isn't a physical requirement for hitting home runs. Once the ball has left the bat, the bat imparts no more energy to the ball."
Huh? I've never played baseball in my life but it's simple enough - if you were to swing the bat in such a way as to be able to stop it immediately the ball has left it, the energy imparted would be very small indeed; follow through is everything.
Going back to Wii Sports, it is supposed to be incrediably easy to "cheat" in all the sports games, greatly reducing the fun level. Personally I'm surprised that there hasn't been more reviews along the same lines as Sofge's, but I guess Nintendo marketing has done a good job. (Got the journos well liquored up and not let them play the same game too long.)
It looks (ftm) like the Wii is going to be a huge success, however, it will surely depend on how well the remote is exploited vs. how many of the games rely on gimmickry.
Oh dear. I take it you weren't paying attention then? They were husband and wife.
I obviously wasn't paying attention the first time, because I missed the one reference in the film to them being married.
I've watched Firefly several times, and I felt that the characters were alive and real, but the film did not have the same level of believability. I know that it's a "2 hour movie" but it was trying to be too many things with too many people. We could easily have ignored Book and Inara completely, just gone with the people on the ship and then after making the Audience get to know and like Wash, BAM!, wooden stake through the heart. What we got was Jayne taking all his funny and then slayer girl River taking his role as pilot.
If you didn't think something like that was vintage Joss, you don't really know his style.
I agree that it was vintage Joss, and because of that unsurprising. Book's death was crap, not the being killed off but the still being alive to die just before the doctor reaches him. Wash's death was even more boring. He was probably the most uninteresting character in the film. There was nothing between him and Zoe, and all of a sudden she's greaving over his death.
Serenity was one of the better SF films to come out in recent years but the plot is contrived and the final act is just too unoriginal. I do agree that the promotion was not so shiny, but I don't think that Serenity approached anywhere near the quality of Firefly. If it had been as good as Ariel/Out of Gas/Our Mrs Reynolds it would have (imho) been a much bigger success.
Thanks. At the moment without any real facts about the system we're all just expressing our own personal biases. (One of) Mine is that that x86 Windows software will probably run faster using the Wii CPU than the xbox celeron based CPU. (I'm not saying that the Wii can run windows, just that the processor will be good enough.)
Of course I know next to nothing about the Wii CPU except that IBM generally make really nice processors. (The rest of the company tends to let them down.) It really depends on how work IBM and Nintendo have done to customize the CPU to the Wii - I'm guessing some but not enough to make linux/windows sluggish.
The spec of the cpu comes down to how much Nintendo wanted to spend and whether they asked IBM for an order of 5 or 20 million units. If we're lucky they asked for 20 million at $50 each.
Ummm, so selling slightly fewer units than the Xbox and making money is a failure
Will you people stop this crap. Nintendo weren't competing against MS they were competing against Sony - and they lost. For once and for all face it, it may have been the better system but the PS2 sold five times as many units as the Gamecube. I have no idea if MS met their targets with the Xbox but they surely took some consolation with the fact that they sold more (outside of Japan) than Nintendo.
If Nintendo sell the same amount of Wii this time around and MS and Sony grow their markets, heck even if Nintendo retains its market share the Wii may still be a failure for the company. They state that the actual gamer market is quite small; they want to grow the market and they have these mythical non-gamer markets they are chasing after. Basically they want to sell a shedload more than the 106 million units the PS2 has sold. (Of course this might be marketing hype and they may only expect to sell 30 million units.)
Somebody in another tread stated that the wii was based on circa 2002 hardware. Well, IBM had 64bit windows running on Power-chipsets by 2002, they also had 64bit Linux running a couple of years before that.
So in answer to the GP post, there is no technical reason why it shouldn't be able to run Linux. It's really just a question of how much Nintendo has done to stop you.
Yep! The reason I'm not buying Sony again is their reliance on the brand and their shoddy builds. I'm typing this message on my Vaio laptop while its LCD is in my desk drawer.
I think it's very altruistic of Nintendo to go to all this trouble to replace peoples' Gamecubes. Won't their 3rd party developers will be really pissed off when they find out?
I don't own a Gamecube, I'm one of these weirdos who don't own a games console. I was really excited about the Wii but at the price they're charging, (£179 ~$290before VAT,) I'm no longer going to be an early adopter. I think most of the people who are saying "Eeek" at the price are those who don't have your love of the 'cube.
For us noobs, purchasing any games console is a risk. The Wii is a pig in a poke, we know next to nothing about it. We don't know what the graphics are going to look like, we don't know the speeds of the CPU/GPU, we don't know if the 3rd parties are going to exploit the new remote, etc, etc...
At the price they're charging, (higher than expected,) more people are going to adopt a wait and see attitude and *if* enough people are waiting for the console to prove itself then developers aren't going to be selling enough games and the Wii will truly become the Gamecube V2.
I'm sorry, but to suggest that the Wii has an inherently greater "fun value" is a tad disingenuous. The fun value of the console remains unproven. There is a great deal of interest in the potential fun value, and a lot of forgiveness because the system/games have not been finalised. One could argue that the Xbox/PS3's greatly superiour processors allow them to cram in 80% more fun than then Nintendo Wii.
It still remains to be seen whether the games developers will exploit the Wii's fun value. As you pointed out the games are where the fun is going to be, so why pay an extra £30/$50 for the console.
Disclaimer: I'm not a consoly person, I've never owned a console in my life. That said I was excited by the Wii, and I'm still considering buying one - probably importing if from Japan. (The price is not exciting but that's a different matter.)
I never thought Nintendo were going to bundle a second controller, I did honestly think that they would give us something useful, like a classic controller shell to fit over the wiimote. That to me would have added value to the package
I was distinctly unimpressed by the E3 video of Metroid, it looked boring, it looked like Halo. Zelda did look more interesting, but never having owned a nintendo console in my life I have no attachment to Zelda, Mario or Samus. There are a large number of people who eagerly waiting for these characters/games and they will spend £180/$250/250 + whatever for their games, but there is a larger number of people who need to be convinced. Nintendo needs the hardcore market, it needs the loyalist market but it also needs the ignorant grand/parents market and the 30 something casual gamer market.
As well as upping their advertising in the run-up to Christmas, I think MS will do one of three things... (I've kinda already said the first one elsewhere)
1) They can give us something for free - include the wireless controller, Kameo (or something else they own) - just compare the picture of Wii sports baseball with a picture from Halo 2 (an xbox game) - That's going to help convince people that the Wii is a kiddie's toy.
2) Drop the Core completely, and reduce the price of the premium to £239/349/$349. The point of the Core machine was to get people into the shop and talking to a sales rep, who convinces them that for ONLY 100/$ more they can get everything they could ever want from a system. (Also having only one system should reduce the manufacturing costs.)
3) Keep the prices/systems and use heavy handed MS tactics to encourage stores to sell Xboxen.
Well, for me Wii Sports is a disincentive - For a parent it's going to be different. Ignoring everything else and looking at the Wii Sports game - if the child is under 10 the parent will get the Wii if the child is over 12 the parent won't.
Any teen or adult is going to be far more impressed by a 360 game such as 99Nights
99N (NNN?) is probably a bit too violent for the preteen market but there is nothing stopping Microsoft giving a game like Kameo free with the Core 360. That's going to further marginalize the Wii.
This senario supposes that the store is promoting the "free" game and not something like WarioWare of Raving Rabbits. They can also promote more grown-up (FPS) games, but Wii Sports just looks bad. And it's apparently realy easy.
There is no difference here (UK) between the price of the Wii and the Xbox360.
Wii £179 - Core 360 £199 Ok £20, but that is not going to stop people from **upgrading** to an Xbox. A large proportion of consoles bought at Christmas are going to be bought as presents - so say I'm a middle aged father of two teenagers, I go into a shop a couple of weeks before Christmas, my kids have been at me to get them a console but I don't know which one. £20 is going to make zero difference to me. £20 is not going to make much difference to the sales person either so he's going to sell me what suits him. First off he's going to convince me to buy the xbox, he's going to do this so he can convince me that I need the Premium xbox for £300 and he'll bundle some games. In fact he'll give me two games for £20. http://www.game.co.uk/lowdown.aspx?lid=5789
Just writing this post makes me want to go out and but an xbox...
The Wii had two things going for it, a good price point and an inovative controller. It no longer has a good price point. Microsoft has HD gaming and a cheap system they use to sell the premium setup.
How is the controller situation any different from any of the other next gen consoles? How about a $400 Xbox 360 with one controller, or a $600 PS3 with one controller. The Xbox 360 controllers are $50 a piece for wireless
I see your point but (imo) the Wii demands a second controller. I admit that games like Red Steel, Metroid Prime and Zelda won't require a second controller, but the Wii is being sold as a family friendly, casual gamer friendly, friend/party friendly console. Wii Sports for example is supposed to be very very very easy, so it won't hold your interest and you'll need at least 2 controllers and vast quantities of alcohol.
(I also think that MS can very easily drop the price of their console if it looks like Nintendo sales are getting too big.)
(I'm residing in the UK so I'm going to use sterling.)
Seriously, I think the Wii is priced too high. I can get a core 360 for just £20 more and I think that for all the talk of wii360, MS would probably prefer the Wii to fail.
I'm sure they (MS) have lots of options for how to stifle the competition - this is Microsoft after all! - including boring stuff like advertising. Most likely they will keep the price as it is and offer more incentives to the retailers.
It's one thing to say that most people don't have HD tvs but most people like to future proof their purchases. And by spending £20 I can get a far far superior piece of kit. I can buy the core TODAY and upgrade it later. I actually think the Wii games are more "attractive" than the 360 games - but the 360 games LOOK more attractive.
Basically what I'm saying is that pricing the wii at £179/$250/250 is moving the Wii from "definitely must buy as soon it comes out" to "hmmm, same price as a 360, do I really want to risk it for a crappy gimmick."
Apparently the Japanese price of Y25,000 (~US$213) includes 5% sales tax... So the pre-tax price of the Wii is going to be ~$1,200 or ~$10 less - That's pretty damn close to $199. On the bright side it means you're getting Wii Sports for only $45. I think everyone can agree that that's a steal.
One last word: Sony Computer Entertainment (Playstation) and Sony Music (rootkit) are connected by barely more than a name, so stop relating them.
I was with you right up to this point AC. I agree with you in part - in that the rootkit has very nothing to do with the PSx. (I'm really sick about all the whining about the rootkit when the PS3 gets mentioned.)
However, my main problem with Sony is that the content side of the business is exerting too much influence on the hardware side. Sony seem to be embracing DRM far more than any of the other main hardware manufacturers. (And we all know that's evil.)
The main problem with the new PS3 is going to be cost, and it's the cost of the dvd drive... HD/BR-dvd is a new format and it's primary purpose is to make money for the movie industry. BlueRay is prohibitivly expensive for PS3 consumers.
I do. Bottled beer in general tastes far better than the canned versions. As a proud Irish man, I'm proud to drink bottled Guinness, provided of course that it comes from Nigeria.
OMG, it tastes so good. Better even than a nice pint of German Guinness.
(I'd work on expanding that wikipedia stub, but it's so hard to remain impartial.)
Sorry, I modded parent as informative before reading through his linked page fully. And now I'm posting in a discussion I've moderated. Ooops.
Anyway, I should have modded the article down. a) MS doesn't require a login it requires you to have Windows Genuine Advantage and b) the parent's link links back to MS and requires you to install the WGA crap.
Hmmm. Too bad for Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Scotland and Northern Ireland (not technically part of England), the Republic of Ireland (definitely not part of England) and -- oh, let me see -- a good chunk of the Caribbean, no doubt a number of African countries... I'm sure there are a whole bunch more I've left out...
Infact I'd argue with you that it is probably one of the best names ever for a console. It's simple, it's cute and it's something no one else even comes close to having.
I'd argue that the name Wii was chosen precisely because it invites derision. Revolution, while a cool name, it is also a violent and cool name and Nintendo want Wii to appeal to people who don't consider themselves "cool" gamers.
They're deliberately trying to make their console more accessible to non-gamers while appealing to the immaturity of gamers who at the end of the day will care more about the games and playability anyway. And names like X-box, Playstation and Revolution (and DS and PSP) are intimidating.
IMO, Nintendo are going after a slightly older market than the PS3 market. Oh, and chicks, they want my girlfriend hooked on Wii, too!
"They're not going to sell the Wii at $200 because they sold every other console at $200, that's stupid!"
Why? People are expecting it to be $200, and they might be a bit disappointed if it were higher.
That's a better reason.
$199.99 looks better.
That's another.
Microsoft might also drop the 360 core price to $250, and I think Nintendo would want the Wii to be cheaper.
Yeap, I agree with you there too. $199 is a much better pricepoint than $249. If they can make a profit selling 6million units at ~$225 (25,000yen) then they're either going to sell it for $199 and make a small loss with bigger sales and recoup it all on profits from addons and games, or they're going to sell it for $250 but with much smaller sales. The only reason it might be more than $199 is because the dollar is very weak atm. However, none of us are on the board of Nintendo.
Personally I think because everyone is expecting $199, they should sell it for $179...
I know the full 360 is better than the Core, and if I didn't I could guess. People are still buying it though. And it's going to be the closest price (next gen) system to the Wii.
There are masses and masses of games available on the PS2, Sony may pull the console from the market sometime, but it's still a decent machine for people who think $250 is too much money to spend at Christmas.
I'm not considering getting a 360 or PS2 for myself. The Wii is going to be shiny,
Guess what? It still looks promising for Nintendo at a $250 price- new content, new ideas, etc. But, in reality, I suspect they'll be rolling out the Wii at the $200 MSRP because that's what they've ALWAYS released a machine at in the US
Why are you arguing with me and then saying that the price is prob going to be $200?:)
They're not going to sell the Wii at $200 because they sold every other console at $200, that's stupid! I'm not trying to annoy you but it's not a good reason, they'll sell the console at whatever price they decide will get them the most overall sales and revenue.
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Ok, I was fine up until this point: "Strictly speaking, follow through isn't a physical requirement for hitting home runs. Once the ball has left the bat, the bat imparts no more energy to the ball."
Huh? I've never played baseball in my life but it's simple enough - if you were to swing the bat in such a way as to be able to stop it immediately the ball has left it, the energy imparted would be very small indeed; follow through is everything.
Going back to Wii Sports, it is supposed to be incrediably easy to "cheat" in all the sports games, greatly reducing the fun level. Personally I'm surprised that there hasn't been more reviews along the same lines as Sofge's, but I guess Nintendo marketing has done a good job. (Got the journos well liquored up and not let them play the same game too long.)
It looks (ftm) like the Wii is going to be a huge success, however, it will surely depend on how well the remote is exploited vs. how many of the games rely on gimmickry.
Oh dear. I take it you weren't paying attention then? They were husband and wife.
I obviously wasn't paying attention the first time, because I missed the one reference in the film to them being married.
I've watched Firefly several times, and I felt that the characters were alive and real, but the film did not have the same level of believability. I know that it's a "2 hour movie" but it was trying to be too many things with too many people. We could easily have ignored Book and Inara completely, just gone with the people on the ship and then after making the Audience get to know and like Wash, BAM!, wooden stake through the heart. What we got was Jayne taking all his funny and then slayer girl River taking his role as pilot.
Try watching the Firefly series.
Try reading the subject line.
If you didn't think something like that was vintage Joss, you don't really know his style.
I agree that it was vintage Joss, and because of that unsurprising. Book's death was crap, not the being killed off but the still being alive to die just before the doctor reaches him. Wash's death was even more boring. He was probably the most uninteresting character in the film. There was nothing between him and Zoe, and all of a sudden she's greaving over his death.
Serenity was one of the better SF films to come out in recent years but the plot is contrived and the final act is just too unoriginal. I do agree that the promotion was not so shiny, but I don't think that Serenity approached anywhere near the quality of Firefly. If it had been as good as Ariel/Out of Gas/Our Mrs Reynolds it would have (imho) been a much bigger success.
You are free to interpret it more liberally.
Thanks. At the moment without any real facts about the system we're all just expressing our own personal biases. (One of) Mine is that that x86 Windows software will probably run faster using the Wii CPU than the xbox celeron based CPU. (I'm not saying that the Wii can run windows, just that the processor will be good enough.)
Of course I know next to nothing about the Wii CPU except that IBM generally make really nice processors. (The rest of the company tends to let them down.) It really depends on how work IBM and Nintendo have done to customize the CPU to the Wii - I'm guessing some but not enough to make linux/windows sluggish.
The spec of the cpu comes down to how much Nintendo wanted to spend and whether they asked IBM for an order of 5 or 20 million units. If we're lucky they asked for 20 million at $50 each.
But how many dev kits do you need for a team of 40? If they are that important/talented surely they will demand one each?
Ummm, so selling slightly fewer units than the Xbox and making money is a failure
Will you people stop this crap. Nintendo weren't competing against MS they were competing against Sony - and they lost. For once and for all face it, it may have been the better system but the PS2 sold five times as many units as the Gamecube. I have no idea if MS met their targets with the Xbox but they surely took some consolation with the fact that they sold more (outside of Japan) than Nintendo.
If Nintendo sell the same amount of Wii this time around and MS and Sony grow their markets, heck even if Nintendo retains its market share the Wii may still be a failure for the company. They state that the actual gamer market is quite small; they want to grow the market and they have these mythical non-gamer markets they are chasing after. Basically they want to sell a shedload more than the 106 million units the PS2 has sold. (Of course this might be marketing hype and they may only expect to sell 30 million units.)
Somebody in another tread stated that the wii was based on circa 2002 hardware. Well, IBM had 64bit windows running on Power-chipsets by 2002, they also had 64bit Linux running a couple of years before that.
So in answer to the GP post, there is no technical reason why it shouldn't be able to run Linux. It's really just a question of how much Nintendo has done to stop you.
Yep! The reason I'm not buying Sony again is their reliance on the brand and their shoddy builds. I'm typing this message on my Vaio laptop while its LCD is in my desk drawer.
I think it's very altruistic of Nintendo to go to all this trouble to replace peoples' Gamecubes. Won't their 3rd party developers will be really pissed off when they find out?
I don't own a Gamecube, I'm one of these weirdos who don't own a games console. I was really excited about the Wii but at the price they're charging, (£179 ~$290before VAT,) I'm no longer going to be an early adopter. I think most of the people who are saying "Eeek" at the price are those who don't have your love of the 'cube.
For us noobs, purchasing any games console is a risk. The Wii is a pig in a poke, we know next to nothing about it. We don't know what the graphics are going to look like, we don't know the speeds of the CPU/GPU, we don't know if the 3rd parties are going to exploit the new remote, etc, etc...
At the price they're charging, (higher than expected,) more people are going to adopt a wait and see attitude and *if* enough people are waiting for the console to prove itself then developers aren't going to be selling enough games and the Wii will truly become the Gamecube V2.
I'm sorry, but to suggest that the Wii has an inherently greater "fun value" is a tad disingenuous. The fun value of the console remains unproven. There is a great deal of interest in the potential fun value, and a lot of forgiveness because the system/games have not been finalised. One could argue that the Xbox/PS3's greatly superiour processors allow them to cram in 80% more fun than then Nintendo Wii.
It still remains to be seen whether the games developers will exploit the Wii's fun value. As you pointed out the games are where the fun is going to be, so why pay an extra £30/$50 for the console.
I think he's saying he doesn't have a wireless network so he needs to buy a wireless adapter for his PC. (Just guessing)
Disclaimer: I'm not a consoly person, I've never owned a console in my life. That said I was excited by the Wii, and I'm still considering buying one - probably importing if from Japan. (The price is not exciting but that's a different matter.)
I never thought Nintendo were going to bundle a second controller, I did honestly think that they would give us something useful, like a classic controller shell to fit over the wiimote. That to me would have added value to the package
I was distinctly unimpressed by the E3 video of Metroid, it looked boring, it looked like Halo. Zelda did look more interesting, but never having owned a nintendo console in my life I have no attachment to Zelda, Mario or Samus. There are a large number of people who eagerly waiting for these characters/games and they will spend £180/$250/250 + whatever for their games, but there is a larger number of people who need to be convinced. Nintendo needs the hardcore market, it needs the loyalist market but it also needs the ignorant grand/parents market and the 30 something casual gamer market.
As well as upping their advertising in the run-up to Christmas, I think MS will do one of three things... (I've kinda already said the first one elsewhere)
1) They can give us something for free - include the wireless controller, Kameo (or something else they own) - just compare the picture of Wii sports baseball with a picture from Halo 2 (an xbox game) - That's going to help convince people that the Wii is a kiddie's toy.
2) Drop the Core completely, and reduce the price of the premium to £239/349/$349. The point of the Core machine was to get people into the shop and talking to a sales rep, who convinces them that for ONLY 100/$ more they can get everything they could ever want from a system. (Also having only one system should reduce the manufacturing costs.)
3) Keep the prices/systems and use heavy handed MS tactics to encourage stores to sell Xboxen.
Well, for me Wii Sports is a disincentive - For a parent it's going to be different. Ignoring everything else and looking at the Wii Sports game - if the child is under 10 the parent will get the Wii if the child is over 12 the parent won't.
Any teen or adult is going to be far more impressed by a 360 game such as 99Nights
99N (NNN?) is probably a bit too violent for the preteen market but there is nothing stopping Microsoft giving a game like Kameo free with the Core 360. That's going to further marginalize the Wii.
This senario supposes that the store is promoting the "free" game and not something like WarioWare of Raving Rabbits. They can also promote more grown-up (FPS) games, but Wii Sports just looks bad. And it's apparently realy easy.
Ronan
There is no difference here (UK) between the price of the Wii and the Xbox360.
Wii £179 - Core 360 £199
Ok £20, but that is not going to stop people from **upgrading** to an Xbox. A large proportion of consoles bought at Christmas are going to be bought as presents - so say I'm a middle aged father of two teenagers, I go into a shop a couple of weeks before Christmas, my kids have been at me to get them a console but I don't know which one. £20 is going to make zero difference to me. £20 is not going to make much difference to the sales person either so he's going to sell me what suits him. First off he's going to convince me to buy the xbox, he's going to do this so he can convince me that I need the Premium xbox for £300 and he'll bundle some games. In fact he'll give me two games for £20. http://www.game.co.uk/lowdown.aspx?lid=5789
Just writing this post makes me want to go out and but an xbox...
The Wii had two things going for it, a good price point and an inovative controller. It no longer has a good price point. Microsoft has HD gaming and a cheap system they use to sell the premium setup.
How is the controller situation any different from any of the other next gen consoles? How about a $400 Xbox 360 with one controller, or a $600 PS3 with one controller. The Xbox 360 controllers are $50 a piece for wireless
I see your point but (imo) the Wii demands a second controller. I admit that games like Red Steel, Metroid Prime and Zelda won't require a second controller, but the Wii is being sold as a family friendly, casual gamer friendly, friend/party friendly console. Wii Sports for example is supposed to be very very very easy, so it won't hold your interest and you'll need at least 2 controllers and vast quantities of alcohol.
(I also think that MS can very easily drop the price of their console if it looks like Nintendo sales are getting too big.)
(I'm residing in the UK so I'm going to use sterling.)
Seriously, I think the Wii is priced too high. I can get a core 360 for just £20 more and I think that for all the talk of wii360, MS would probably prefer the Wii to fail.
I'm sure they (MS) have lots of options for how to stifle the competition - this is Microsoft after all! - including boring stuff like advertising. Most likely they will keep the price as it is and offer more incentives to the retailers.
It's one thing to say that most people don't have HD tvs but most people like to future proof their purchases. And by spending £20 I can get a far far superior piece of kit. I can buy the core TODAY and upgrade it later. I actually think the Wii games are more "attractive" than the 360 games - but the 360 games LOOK more attractive.
Basically what I'm saying is that pricing the wii at £179/$250/250 is moving the Wii from "definitely must buy as soon it comes out" to "hmmm, same price as a 360, do I really want to risk it for a crappy gimmick."
Ronan
Apparently the Japanese price of Y25,000 (~US$213) includes 5% sales tax... So the pre-tax price of the Wii is going to be ~$1,200 or ~$10 less - That's pretty damn close to $199. On the bright side it means you're getting Wii Sports for only $45. I think everyone can agree that that's a steal.
Ronan
One last word: Sony Computer Entertainment (Playstation) and Sony Music (rootkit) are connected by barely more than a name, so stop relating them.
I was with you right up to this point AC. I agree with you in part - in that the rootkit has very nothing to do with the PSx. (I'm really sick about all the whining about the rootkit when the PS3 gets mentioned.)
However, my main problem with Sony is that the content side of the business is exerting too much influence on the hardware side. Sony seem to be embracing DRM far more than any of the other main hardware manufacturers. (And we all know that's evil.)
The main problem with the new PS3 is going to be cost, and it's the cost of the dvd drive... HD/BR-dvd is a new format and it's primary purpose is to make money for the movie industry. BlueRay is prohibitivly expensive for PS3 consumers.
Who the fuck drinks BOTTLED Guinness?
I do. Bottled beer in general tastes far better than the canned versions. As a proud Irish man, I'm proud to drink bottled Guinness, provided of course that it comes from Nigeria.
OMG, it tastes so good. Better even than a nice pint of German Guinness.
(I'd work on expanding that wikipedia stub, but it's so hard to remain impartial.)
Sorry, I modded parent as informative before reading through his linked page fully. And now I'm posting in a discussion I've moderated. Ooops.
Anyway, I should have modded the article down. a) MS doesn't require a login it requires you to have Windows Genuine Advantage and b) the parent's link links back to MS and requires you to install the WGA crap.
Sorry again.
I think that $20 is like £14...
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What kind of maths is that?
$20 is £19.99, or at least it was when I was in Game earlier - http://www.game.co.uk/ViewProduct.aspx?cat=11142&
That's about ten pints in Whetherspoons. (Which because I'm such a lightweight will last me a lot longer than five hours.
Hmmm. Too bad for Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Scotland and Northern Ireland (not technically part of England), the Republic of Ireland (definitely not part of England) and -- oh, let me see -- a good chunk of the Caribbean, no doubt a number of African countries
Well you forgot Wales, but that's ok everyone else does too:
Eurocrats leave Wales off EU map
Infact I'd argue with you that it is probably one of the best names ever for a console. It's simple, it's cute and it's something no one else even comes close to having.
I'd argue that the name Wii was chosen precisely because it invites derision. Revolution, while a cool name, it is also a violent and cool name and Nintendo want Wii to appeal to people who don't consider themselves "cool" gamers.
They're deliberately trying to make their console more accessible to non-gamers while appealing to the immaturity of gamers who at the end of the day will care more about the games and playability anyway. And names like X-box, Playstation and Revolution (and DS and PSP) are intimidating.
IMO, Nintendo are going after a slightly older market than the PS3 market. Oh, and chicks, they want my girlfriend hooked on Wii, too!
"They're not going to sell the Wii at $200 because they sold every other console at $200, that's stupid!"
Why? People are expecting it to be $200, and they might be a bit disappointed if it were higher.
That's a better reason.
$199.99 looks better.
That's another.
Microsoft might also drop the 360 core price to $250, and I think Nintendo would want the Wii to be cheaper.
Yeap, I agree with you there too. $199 is a much better pricepoint than $249. If they can make a profit selling 6million units at ~$225 (25,000yen) then they're either going to sell it for $199 and make a small loss with bigger sales and recoup it all on profits from addons and games, or they're going to sell it for $250 but with much smaller sales. The only reason it might be more than $199 is because the dollar is very weak atm. However, none of us are on the board of Nintendo.
Personally I think because everyone is expecting $199, they should sell it for $179...
I know the full 360 is better than the Core, and if I didn't I could guess. People are still buying it though. And it's going to be the closest price (next gen) system to the Wii.
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There are masses and masses of games available on the PS2, Sony may pull the console from the market sometime, but it's still a decent machine for people who think $250 is too much money to spend at Christmas.
I'm not considering getting a 360 or PS2 for myself. The Wii is going to be shiny,
Guess what? It still looks promising for Nintendo at a $250 price- new content, new ideas, etc. But, in reality, I suspect they'll be rolling out the Wii at the $200 MSRP because that's what they've ALWAYS released a machine at in the US
Why are you arguing with me and then saying that the price is prob going to be $200?
They're not going to sell the Wii at $200 because they sold every other console at $200, that's stupid! I'm not trying to annoy you but it's not a good reason, they'll sell the console at whatever price they decide will get them the most overall sales and revenue.
Ronan