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Captain Copyright Targets Kids

frank249 writes "The Canadian Copyright Licensing Agency has set up a copyright education website called Captain Copyright. There is a section for kids with comic books and a section for teachers for grades 1-3, 3-6 and 6-8. An example of a grade 1 class activity: 'Present the following situation to students: Your friend is downloading a song off the Internet. In comes Captain Copyright. Ask: What do you think Captain Copyright will say? Encourage students to brainstorm. Then hand out (or read) Line Master: Some Copyright Laws.' In Canadian law it is incorrect to download a song unless you pay for it. They also neglect to mention that Canadians pay a tax on blank media that is meant to compensate artists for downloads."

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  1. For the kids. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    We have a daughter due in July (really! I'm reproducing now...) In a few years I imagine she'll ask "Daddy... who's Captain Copyright?" and I'll say "Sweetie, he's like God." She'll reply "What do you mean, Daddy, all knowing, all powerful and something to be in awe of?" "No dear," I'll reply, "a make-believe thing people in power use against the masses to keep them scared."

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    1. Re:For the kids. by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > In a few years I imagine she'll ask "Daddy... who's Captain Copyright?" and I'll say "Sweetie, he's like God." She'll reply "What do you mean, Daddy, all knowing, all powerful and something to be in awe of?" "No dear," I'll reply, "a make-believe thing people in power use against the masses to keep them scared."

      Close, but no cigar.

      "Captain Copyright? I remember that site! It was where a bunch of Farkers and SA Forum Goons downloaded a huge library of source images for the funniest set Photoshop parodies ever!"

    2. Re:For the kids. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yet another reason to keep your kids out of the public schools.

      I think you've misunderstood. "Captain Copyright" is a character on a CRIA website. He has nothing to do with public schools. Actually, I think it's pretty unlikely he'd show up in a public school. We try to leave the special interests and religious education in the private and separate schools.

    3. Re:For the kids. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Funny

      I know how to deal with this. We need to get the feminists on board.

      First, we explain how the internet makes culture and information plentiful goods, and how if the government didn't criminalize sharing it, market forces would in short order make them freely available to everyone in as much abundance as they wished.

      Then we explain how the whole copyright thing is a conspiracy by a bunch of Rich White Men to tie access to culture, education and information to earning power as a covert way of keeping it away from women, who have less earning power. (Don't worry if that last bit is true or not, they'll accept it.)

      Then we can just sit back, watch the fireworks, and in no time copyright will be toast.

      (Just don't let the chinese hear this logic, or they might start enforcing copyright over there)

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    4. Re:For the kids. by pnatural · · Score: 2, Insightful

      look at how people use god and religeon. If you do not see how it is used for control, from countries to families, you are blind, deaf and in denial.

      and you should look at how other people, not under the influences you cite, experience God and religion. if you do see how it enriches, sustains, and gives hope, you're just stereotyping, which is merely intellectual laziness.

    5. Re:For the kids. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If people put as much energy into reaching their goals as they put into religion, perhaps the reality of their lives would be good enough that they don't need fantasy.

      Of course, I don't mean to call your religion fantasy. Yours is the right one, and everyone else in the world worships a fantasy. We both agree on that.

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    6. Re:For the kids. by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful


      I've been a hard atheist my whole life and don't buy that we get morals only from religion. We're social animals, it's in our best interests to help other members of our 'tribe'. This is seen in virtually every type of primate.

      We're "good" to others because it what works best for helping our species advance.

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  2. Because there's nothing better they can be doing by C0R1D4N · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can see that copyright law is clearly a priority for early education. Not grammar, or mathematics, but intellectual property and coporate interests. I guess all the top execs of the tobacco companies jumped ship to the recording industry so they can keep practicing their "hook 'em while they're young" campaigns.

  3. Not gonna fly by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Must. Restrain. Laughter. I think even small children are smart enough to realize that "Captain Copyright" is an idiotic idea. Kids don't respect educational cartoon role models in general; I see no reason why "Captain Copyright" will be any different. A generic super-hero with boring powers whose opponents are ordinary people instead of super-villains ... no one is going to find that interesting.

    1. Re:Not gonna fly by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think kids will see this the same as they saw Captain Planet: lame. This won't even have the TV show going for it, AND the fact that anything being pushed to them by teachers is automatically uncool.

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    2. Re:Not gonna fly by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Excuse me, but the term "Super-hero" is jointly trademarked by Marvel and DC.

      I only wish I were kidding. According to Wikipedia they are U.S. Trademark Serial Nos. 72243225 and 73222079. (And believe me when I tell you I scoured the site for any use of the term. No dice. They may be dead-ass wrong, but I admire their consistency.)

      -Peter

  4. The answer is obviously by phorm · · Score: 2

    d) Report your friend to the police, collect a bonus check from the RIAA, and watch him spend the rest of his life paying off $1,000,000 in RIAA lawsuits.


    OK, so maybe it won't quite be worded that way, but probably something along those lines. Do we really need the RIAA et al creating comic books that encourage kids to report on their friends? What's next, reporting that your neighbour is possibly harbouring an arabic man in his attic (substitute arabic for jewish and step back about half a century, you'll see my point)?

    This type of 'education' has no place with our youth. Shame!

  5. Infringement... by talkingpaperclip · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are these guys sure that "Captain Copyright" doesn't infringe on the "Captain Planet" copyright?

    1. Re:Infringement... by biglig2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Over on Boing Boing, they've noticed that the Captain Copyright web page has stolen a couple of sections from Wikipedia without including the required attributions. http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/02/captain_copyr ight_wi.html

      But never mind the hypocracy - what kind of teacher uses materials in class that did not come from an independant source? Don't they have pride in their profession? Ahem - won't somebody think of the children?

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  6. Re:Because there's nothing better they can be doin by Roody+Blashes · · Score: 2, Funny
    Not grammar, or mathematics, but intellectual property and coporate interests.

    I concur with your post.
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  7. All Your Kids Belong to Us! by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Funny

    The propaganda is getting blatant. It least this one is not my tax dollars at work. Maybe there's a reason the almighty Canadian dollar coin is referred to as the loonie.

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    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
  8. I don't condone or support piracy at all.... by linguae · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but this comic is lame. Look at this page and the previous one. Somebody gets an A just because they didn't use a bootleg version of the textbook? Give me a break.

    There is also another page in the copyright comic that seems to confuse one issue (collaborate research and somebody trying to take all of the credit) with copyright law. The comic ended in a cliffhanger after a few pages, but I don't think this comic book is effective at all (not to mention lame), and the comic confuses issues, too.

    1. Re:I don't condone or support piracy at all.... by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Word got around that the copied textbooks weren't such a great deal after all and by the end of the semester the store that sold them was out of business."

      Where's the little picture of Captain Copyright standing outside the burnt-out building with a gas can?

  9. Logo faux-pas by Beniamino · · Score: 4, Funny

    Boing Boing helpfully points out (SFW) the similarity between the Captain Copyright logo and Slashdot regular goatse.cx (which I will not link).

  10. not to compensate for downloads by nlago · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I definitely may be wrong here (never been even close to Canada), but I believe the tax on blank media came out long before music downloads appeared in the radar. Sure, the tax is supposed to compensate for informal, personal copying, by providing some extra revenue to the artists (yeah, right, to the artists... mostly... somewhat... err...). However, I doubt the letter of the law mentions "downloading", which (in this "interesting" world we live in) may make quite a difference.

  11. Funny. by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On their website, under "kids" I looked up the meanings of some words and phrases related to copyright. Guess what's missing from the list. I'll give you a hint, it starts with "Fair" and ends with "use"

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    1. Re:Funny. by DeeKayWon · · Score: 4, Informative
      What with this being Canada and all, there's no reason for any two word phrase matching that description to show up. There is reason for one that starts with "Fair" and ends with "dealing", though.

      Canadian law and American law are not the same? Shocker!

  12. Re:Orwell Anyone? Or Godwin??? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Funny
    hitler also knew that the best way to change a national mind was to start with the children...

    My God! Second post, and by Godwin's Law this discussion is already over!

    Of course this begs the question of will the record companies last until these kids grow up into nice, well-controlled, consumers.

    And when did 'hitler' become a lower-case adjective?

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  13. Obligatory "second opinion" ;-) by D4C5CE · · Score: 2, Informative
  14. Re:It's in the National Interest by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "intellectual property" is a critical industry to the US economy

    It's only critical in that its current form & implementation will ensure that the U.S. is unable to compete technologically & economically with other countries that have "looser" IP protection.

  15. Infringing? by lexDysic · · Score: 5, Funny

    As pointed out on Boing Boing, Captain Copyright is apparently blessed with the power of copyright immunity. Text on his website appears to be directly lifted from Wikipedia, and of course much of the iconography has been around since before the Captain himself. Maybe the Captain's alter ego is a pirate? Arrrrrr...

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    1. Re:Infringing? by olego · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't get something. From http://www.captaincopyright.ca/Ipnotice.aspx:
      permission to link is explicitly withheld from any website the contents of which may, in the opinion of the Access Copyright, be damaging or cause harm to the reputation of Access Copyright
      Since when must I ask other websites if I may or may not link to them? Is there actually a law against hotlinking images and/or content, in the US or in Canada?

      In a broader question, I believe that I can't hotlink a photographer's images and claim that they are my own (even though many people can view source and see that I'm not hosting them) [am I right?], but what about dropping a href to that image?
    2. Re:Infringing? by chrispl · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not to mention the goatse.

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  16. Blank Media Levy by 0xA · · Score: 3, Informative
    They also neglect to mention that Canadians pay a tax on blank media that is meant to compensate artists for downloads.

    This is incorrect, the blank media levy was designed to compensate artists for people copying CDs and other recordings. The "Download Question" was not seriously considered at the time the levy was introduced and it is a matter of opinion if it applies to downloads.

  17. Captain Copyright to sue slashdot . . . by jgaynor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Captain Copyright has heroically announced he's suing /. for copyright violation, after the vicious plagiarizers failed to read his site's asinine legal disclaimer and reproduced his valuable intellectual property. Additionally, poster jgaynor will also be sued for talking shit about captain copyright AND linking to his site in the same paragraph. Think that last sentance was hyperbole? Think again:

    "permission to link is explicitly withheld from any website the contents of which may, in the opinion of the Access Copyright, be damaging or cause harm to the reputation of Access Copyright."

    Holy Nutsack Cap'n Copyright!

    More making fun of this ridiculous attempt at a valid legal statement here (disclaimer: not affiliated).

  18. Re:Orwell Anyone? Or Godwin??? by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny
    "And when did 'hitler' become a lower-case adjective?"

    When he failed to defend his trademark and it became generic. "Escalator", "Yo-yo", "Shredded Wheat", and now "Hitler" are prime examples of trademarks which have fallen into the public domain through abandonment or poor defense.

    Where Hitler went wrong was not through lack of defense (you should have seen his army of lawyers), but through misuse of the Hitler trademark. Where Third Reich productions threw around the name Hitler as though it were a noun they should have used it as an adjective from the start and emphasized it to set it apart from the surrounding text. Using phrases like "Hitler conquered half of Europe" is just asking for trouble. "Hitler® brand World Domination conquered half of Europe" makes it clear what the brand name is and that it is a registered trademark.

  19. and now the circle is complete by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Q. What do you think Captain Copyright will say?
    A: "You can't draw a pony! It was my idea to draw a pony!"

    Copyright jackasses are marketting their kindergarten-level understanding of intellectual property to actual kindergarteners.

    Fuck you. My pony is better than your stupid pony.
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    1. Re:and now the circle is complete by Immercenary_2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      OMG PONIES!!!!111one!!!
      Sorry, couldn't resist

  20. Re:Orwell Anyone? Or Godwin??? by pluther · · Score: 2, Funny
    And when did 'hitler' become a lower-case adjective?

    god only knows.

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  21. Re:Next : Canadian Govt. & RIAA publish new mo by Cylix · · Score: 2, Funny

    My favorite...

    I am.... Captain Condom!

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  22. Excerpt from the quiz for kids by binkzz · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Yes - Once your poem is in a fixed and tangible form, you have copyright in your poem. You do not have to register your creation with the Copyright Board to have copyright."

    I'm sure kids will learn tons with these fun quizes and games.

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  23. Torrent? by Mooga · · Score: 2, Funny

    So who is going to pre-release a torrent of all the Captain Copyright Comics?

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  24. frank249 I hope you typed that quote out longhand. by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 3, Funny
    " iv. You are not permitted to copy or cut from any page or its HTML source code to the Windows(TM) clipboard (or equivalent on other platforms) onto any other website. " Intellectual Property Notice and Disclaimer

    Captain C/The Canadian Copyright Licensing Agency,: Please do not sue me, but I copied and pasted the URL into the link above. If this is a violation, have the Swedish police sieze Slashdot's servers.

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  25. Copyrights Do Expire, Don't They by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 4, Funny
    The copyright on a number of songs first graders might still find entertaining have expired. Things like:
    • Old McDonald
    • I've Been Working on the Railroad
    • 99 Bottles of Beverage on the Wall
    • Ring Around the Rosie
    • She'll Be Coming Round the Mountain
    • and many, many more

    Yes, the performances of the songs may be copyrighted, but even that isn't a certainty. There is a Public Domain into which the performing artist may release their performance.

    If the tune, lyrics, and performance aren't protected intellectual property then the first grader should call the police and have Captain Copyright arrested for child molestation. Okay, there wasn't any sexual molestation involved, but a man in a skin tight costume who constantly barges in on first graders in their homes will have a very difficult time convincing a jury of that fact.

  26. But is it going to be more effective than by Goonie · · Score: 4, Funny
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  27. As someone who actually has registered Canadian by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Insightful

    copyrights, as well as a trademark, I think this is a bad thing.

    Look, why won't Captain Copyright teach them about Fair Use, or the fact that colleges, schools, and universities are exempt from many copyright restrictions, or about public copyrights?

    Now, having actually travelled across Canada on a Canada Council Grant, as a playwright and author, I know where some of the money paid by the library system goes. I'm not against copyrights, but let's tell the truth, not a distorted pro-corporate version ...

    [fyi, if you try to look me up in the online database, my legal name is much much longer in Canada and has two hyphens]

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  28. Compensation - not for downloads really by FooBarBlatDing · · Score: 2, Informative
    They also neglect to mention that Canadians pay a tax on blank media that is meant to compensate artists for downloads.

    Not really. The tax is meant to cover copies made from legitimately obtained originals, as in when your friend loans you his CD or you borrow it from the library. In Canada it has been ruled that the blank media tax covers this and it's legal to copy the CD, whatever the RIAA or whomever may think. I don't think that the download case has been tested.

    I agree with the previous poster who pointed out that there is no reason for this to appear in curriculum except private interests. Having them drive curriculum is dangerous and inappropriate.

    Foo

  29. Re:Incorrect to download for free? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He said "incorrect." As in, the CRIA thinks it's incorrect and would like you to as well.

  30. Oh dear god. by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 3, Funny

    Great. Now I've got this going through my head:

    "RIAA!"

    "MPAA!"

    "Fear!"

    "Uncertainty!"

    "Doubt!"

    "GO COPYRIGHT!"

    "By your powers combined,
    I AM CAPTAIN COPYRIGHT!"

  31. Vote early, vote often! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You get to vote on the best way to contact Captain Copyright. I voted to:
    From: root@localhost
    Subject: CC Vote - Post A Torrent And Follow The RIAA

    I vote to post a torrent of the paper, wait for the thugs at the RIAA to find it, then follow the hit van to their house.

    A few million similar votes should get the point across.

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  32. Let's Slashdot 'em! by n0alpha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am in awe that they have a 1 page PDF that takes up 5 megs, and despite it's title that would lead you to believe it contains Canadian Copyright laws, it actually doesn't reference any laws at all! If everyone downloads the PDF even once, we can Slashdot 'em pretty quickly! http://www.captaincopyright.ca/Teachers/Docs/LMCop yrightLaws.pdf

  33. I for one fully support this campaign by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Funny

    as a kid, the best sure-fire way to get me interested in doing something was to make an 'edutainment' comic book against it. I mean, jesus, this crap's down there with Johnny Turbo!

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  34. Re:It's in the National Interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't be ridiculous.

    In 2005, the movie industry's total domestic revenue was a bit shy of $9 billion.

    Intel Corporation's revenue in the same period was almost $39 billion.

    So that's one company in one sector of the economy (albeit a big one) makes, all by itself, over four times what the entire movie industry makes.

    While we're here, let's toss off some other revenue figures: IBM earned over $91 billion, Microsoft nearly $40 billion, General Motors almost two hundred billion dollars. GM lost more money last year than the movie industry earned in total (not counting expenses), and barely noticed.

    The Copyright Cartel has done an excellent job as portraying itself as a critical industry, but don't be fooled. They are, at best, a miniscule piece of the American economy.

    Software is somewhat of a different story, but they have their own ridiculousness (BSA), and you'll notice that of the companies cited, only one of them makes most of their money because of software copyrights.

  35. I am a Canadian high school student... by lkypnk · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've not had the displeasure of sitting through this; they aim it at the younger grades (14, 15 years old). While the website for "Captain Copyright" emphasizes intellectual property rights, the in-class indoctrination mostly talks about not plagarizing, so at least at my school, I think fairly little harm is being done.

    Even better, I have heard many of my peers mocking "Captain Copyright" and many seemed quite well informed about the law concerning fair dealing and had strong opinions on why the current copyright system is wrong or broken (at least according to them, who seem to want to justify the downloading of music.)

    As to aiming copyright law indoctrination at young children, well, thats just plain wrong. Private industry should not attempt to sugar-coat something like this as an educational aid and offer free material to teachers; nor should those teachers fall for such easy tricks! In a world where from every angle comes marketing ploy for corporations, is there nothing left sacred? Even a child's education? We should teach our children to be critical of everything they receive, I hope this material is being portrayed in such a light at school, instead of being force-fed to the students.

  36. Character names by shish · · Score: 2, Interesting
    An odd thing to spot, but I find it distracting that the bully is called Haskell (an alledgedly awesome programming language, that I've not had time to learn myself), and CC's scientist friend is called yuri (japanese for female / female reationships, often used online to mean "anime lesbian porn").

    Aside from that, the comic is rather lame -- it's so overdone, even a child should be able to detect the smell of propoganda...

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  37. Re:Oh dear god. - MOD UP PARENT - FUNNY! by Mooga · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Captain Copyright! He's our hero! Going to bring all our money down to ZERO..."

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  38. NO, it is not a "matter of opinion", by plasmacutter · · Score: 3, Informative

    It has been deemed legal by their lawmakers and courts and since the laws and court decisions have not changed/been overturned to make them illegal, this is simply false.

    screw these liars trying to pervert and poison the minds of impressionable youth! get it through your heads you greedy corps, it's not illegal in canada!, and the majority of the public doesn't consider it wrong where you've bought the laws making it illegal in other nations!

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  39. Blatant? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is quality work compared to Christian cartoons.

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  40. Re:It's in the National Interest by sn00ker · · Score: 3, Informative
    What the **AA is right about is that "intellectual property" is a critical industry to the US economy... I don't have numbers, but it is probably the most profitable sector as America continues to fall behind making quality electronics, cars, etc.
    You really should've checked up on the numbers, before you looked like a total idiot.
    Microsoft is the largest "soft" IP company (that is, they aren't known for making tangibles), and it's half the size of IBM. Microsoft is also roughly four times the size of the entire Hollywood movie industry. It's half the size of IBM, which in turn is: half the size of General Motors; a third the size of WalMart; a quarter the size of ExxonMobil.

    The xxAA side of the entertainment industry could curl up and die tomorrow and the US economy would barely notice. The music and movie industries combined (roughly USD21b in 2004) don't equate to Sun and Apple together, never mind the dozens of individual companies that turn over many multiples of that figure.

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  41. Based on a Fallacy by czarangelus · · Score: 4, Funny

    The best part is it's based on a fallacy to begin with. In the comic, the school bully comes, steals his artwork, and begins selling copies for a quarter in front of the teacher's lounge. In the case of file sharing, no money changes hands! What a bunch of horse crap.

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    1. Re:Based on a Fallacy by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you could get your head out of your ass long enough to see something beyond file sharing, you'll discover that the site is about copyright infringement!

      It's shitty, deceitful, and amoral, but it's not exclusively obsessed with file sharing. Unlike you, apparently.

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    2. Re:Based on a Fallacy by Lovemoose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right - it is a fallacy. To be factual, the bully should sell the copies at 25 cents a time, then give the kid back 0.12 cents for each copy sold, retaining all rights over the work for fify years, then after the kid dies, try to alter the law to allow the bully to retain all rights to the work, instead of the work passing to public domain.

      That's the way it really works.

  42. Re:No I am NOT sterotyping by diablomonic · · Score: 2, Interesting
    First off, I would like to say that I respect Jesus Christ the man, because as far as we can tell, he said some very intelligent and kind things and taught a tolerance and wisdom I would have thought very out of place in the times (could be wrong, I dont live then.), and was willing to risk everything to do so, without hurting other people in the process

    with that in mind, I am not at all religeous, but still have strong moral values, obtained as follows:

    - there is no god, natural rights or universal truths, only the physical world we live in (*)
    - therefore the only thing that matters is what we think matters, and by we, I mean any sentient being. The only tangible good is that which makes beings happy, and perhaps the increase in knowledge although thats more based on the first, and the only bad is that which makes us unhappy/causes pain.
    - from this I get a personal moral code based on individual freedom, not hurting others (unless they want it: sm etc) except in self defence, not killing others except as a last resort in self defence. Environmentalism comes into it because of the enjoyment people get from nature, but there is no such thing as un-natural in the end, unless we can step outside this universe to alter things against the laws of physics etc.

    The purpose of the above is to show that having a "god" define our morality is not neccessary, and I would argue that in general, most religeous people dont follow your logic of

    "I would tell my children, not to steal, rape, murder, lie, etc. because it hurts us and our fellow men, and show how it does. Then tell them how God says the same thing and that we got this knowledge from Him"

    but rather "dont do bad things or you'll go to hell" or even worse "dont do anything the church (any church) tells you not to, whether you think its right or wrong, and if you do something wrong, you must confess or repent or whatever, usually involving donations to said church." How can doing "good" out of fear of your god be better than simply doing "good"? Why would any reasonably decent person have to fear a perfect god? why would a perfect god design us to be lustful and then punish us for doing as our "design" tells us to?. Faith in the bible is a bad thing in my opinion (as opposed to seeking wisdom in the words of jesus, which may be quite sensible, so long as you make your own mind up about which parts are wise), its just a book! its missing large portions of jesus' intended wisdom (look up the council of nicea, gospel of mary, gospel of judas, gnosticism, trinitarianism versus jesus as a created being, and the way the christian church has consistantly twisted symbols of other faiths and beliefs into devil worship symbols, and the centuries long killing and destruction of wise/free thinking women (and men outside the church)and so on) , and is twisted into a guilt producing document, and then used incorrectly to justify wars for money and oil. By promoting blind faith in god/bible/church, discouraging free thinking, people become sheeple, and follow the (supposedly religeous) leader, even when he is "evil".

    Im rambling now. Basically, the bible is NOT jesus's complete and unmodified word, the catholic church and many other religeous groups have committed unbelievably "evil" acts according to my own personal code (and most other peoples), and the teachings of the church dont match up with what we can see jesus teaching: namely peace, love for fellow humans, forgiveness, not worshiping idols or money or gold, that sort of thing, not "X is sinful, Y is sinful, you are all sinners, confess (without righting the wrongs you have done) and give us money and you will be forgiven". From this we can see that blind faith in the church is stupid to say the least, and blind faith in the bible is also not a good thing (although I admit there is more wisdom in it than given by the church). your non catholic/protestant faith makes more sense to me than average christian "faith", and yet, you still say you dont question the bibl

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  43. The Scariest Part is the Questionable Accuracy by celest · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Going through the "True or False", section myself, I was quite annoyed at the absolute assumption that all "software" was illegal to copy, and this being beaten into children's minds, amongst other falacies.

    Michael Geist (www.michaelgeist.ca) has a great commentary on his legal impressions of the whole thing:

    http://michaelgeist.ca/component/option,com_conten t/task,view/id,1275/Itemid,85/nsub,/

  44. My religion by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My religion is a work in progress, ever proceeding onward towards the truth. I believe that this process includes debate. Currently I believe something about Jesus dying on account of sin. This sort of makes me Christian, but all the other "Christians" don't believe in the whole debate thing. I also believe that the English translations are all corrupt. I've made some progress learning Greek and Hebrew. Conversely most of those calling themselves Christians consider themselves either too busy or too dumb, or too.. something, to bother learning to read the Bible in the languages the English versions were written from. I find the fact that they haven't been so empowered by their religion a pretty strong indicator that their's isn't the right one. This does not, however mean that no religion drawn in part on the basis of the Bible can't be true. However, if one were to depend on this basis alone, most "Christians" aren't the greatest witnesses, nor are they on much of any factor. I testify to the unsuitability of most "Christians" I have encountered as witnesses despite finding myself clinging to the message of the Bible, and seeking to become the witness that I have found others not to be. Oddly enough, such "Christians" have done nothing to counteract me.

  45. Kids learn about God and science in different ways by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Every threaten to punish a child if the question a belief?

    It turns out kids notice that nobody says "I believe germs exist" or "I believe in gravity", but people do say "I believe in God". And so kids are much less sure about God existing. (Nobody gets punished for not believing in atoms.)

    I only wish more parents would realize that about their "beliefs", and think about it.

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  46. Copyright Captain Copyright... by riot666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No where on the page does it say that the information on it is copyrighted.... You are now entering... The Twilight Zone.. *music ensues*

  47. Re:OK ... reproducing? by vought · · Score: 3, Funny

    Captain Copyright

    PADUCAH, KY, AP Wire -

    Captain Copyright was arrested today but Federal Authorities on counterfeiting charges. In an ironic turn of events, the former crusader for corporate intellectual property rights was caught red-handed making counterfeit $20.00 bills with a laser printer, an iron, and a hair dryer.

    When asked, friends were solemn about Copyright's descent into ruin. "He was such a nice guy until the RIAA stopped sending checks", notes once close friend Hayla Bullets. "Then, he just started drinking, grumbling a lot, and working in his machine shop.

    Attorneys for Mr. Copyright could not be reached for comment.

  48. Big Deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So where's Fair Dealing on their list?

    They're the same idea, although the parts that aren't quite the same would drive your lawyer nuts.

  49. Re:No I am NOT sterotyping by AusIV · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes, you are definitely stereotyping. I'm an agnostic. I don't go to church anymore, but I went when I was growing up and almost nothing you mention appeared in my church.

    I was never told not to do something simply because it was against god's will. During my confirmation, I asked my preacher why the church had a problem with pornography (in context with the lesson) and he gave me a very logical answer. He didn't punish me for questioning the beliefs of the church, and he didn't answer with "Because god says so." He was trying to help me understand with hopes that I might be a more considerate, caring person when I entered adulthood.

    And what hipocrasy do you speak of? I really didn't see much at my church. People interpreted what the bible said into logical advice. It gives perspective to issues people might otherwise struggle with.

    I'm not sure what you're next point is supposed to mean.

    Yes, their are leaders who use religion to brainwash their followers. There are also leaders who wrap themselves in the American flag and call anyone who disagrees with them unpatriotic. This doesn't mean anyone who considers themself to be patriotic agrees with those leaders. Just because some leaders abuse religion does not mean religion exists solely to control people.

    The church I grew up in asks only for enough to keep the church going. The minister leads a very modest lifestyle, and while I saw political discussion at my church, I never saw anyone be told who to vote for.

    And my church is not alone. I've known Christians, Jews and Muslims who take advice from their religion, and I mean logical advice, not manipulative propaganda. This can help lead to enlightment, and it's certainly not just saying "it's god's will."

    The blatant stereotypes you're spreading are propogated because of what I believe is a loud minority. People like Fred Phelps lead others to believe that all Christians hate homosexuals and non-christians, but this is simply not the case. People like Osama Bin Laden make muslims appear to be bloodthirsty and anti-american. Again, this is generally not the case.

    I think religion has a lot to offer the world, and I think it's a pity that it gets abused as often as it does. Personally, I don't go to church because I find it boring. I don't necessarily believe one faith is any more "correct" than another, but I do think religion can be a valuable asset to a person as they mature and grow, and as a result, it can help make the world a better place.

    And to think, I read into the comments on this article because I was intrigued by the fact Canadians pay a tax on blank media to help compensate artists.