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China Getting 'Serious' About Spam?
Ritz_Just_Ritz writes "Apparently, the Chinese MII (Ministry of Information) is going to crack down on Spam from within China. This will include training for 1000 mail administrators and recruitment of 20,000 'anti-spam volunteers.'"
no need to click the link kids that it pretty much. anyway thank god... now about korea?
Did someone say cake?
Maybe when they figure it out and get the problem nailed down over there, we can hire them for their expertise to solve the problem here in the USA :P
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I'm going to take a stab in the dark and wager that SPAM simply means "e-mailing the way the government doesn't want you to" in Chinese. Whether that be based on the content or motive of your e-mails. The government seems to be implementing laws that have no clear definition in order to devise a method by which they can jail/fine/deter anyone they want. And it will most likely be met with synchronous thundering applause of one billion people clapping robotically togethor.
Americans lose their freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism. Now the Chinese will lose their freedoms in the name of fighting SPAM. *sigh* Canada keeps looking warmer and warmer.
My work here is dung.
Ministry of Information Industry (MII), Internet Society of China (ISC) and China Communications Standards Association (CCSA) launched a national anti-spam campaign on June 21, reports Nanfang Daily. An insider at ISC said MII has set up a hotline at 01-12321 for spam-related tip-offs and is preparing to send out one million anti-spam notices. The report said that professional training will be offered for 1,000 email administrators and that 20,000 anti-spam volunteers will be recruited. "is preparing to send out one million anti-spam notices" - Oh the irony.
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Where can I sign up? I wanna read people's mail!
Only because their ruthless and have no regard for human rights
Are these 'anti-spam volunteers' real volunteers, or are they volunteering-to-get-out-of-bayonette-testing volunteers?
Just curious.
"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!"
when the get 'serious' about spam coming _outside_ of China!
About 50% of my spam has url's resolving back to China or Korea.
With all the censoring China does, it sounds to me like it's just an excuse to hire 20000 people to read through everyone's email and make sure they're not discussing something they "shouldn't" be talking about.
is preparing to send out one million anti-spam notices
when are we going to get Nigeria to crack down on those "wonderful opportunitys[sic]" involving "23 millions[sic] dollars"?
The vast majority of my spam comes from US, or at least english speaking countries. When can we make some serious headway on fighting that?
I find it informing that our politicians are willing to sanction trade with Sweden because *our* (i.e. Not Their) laws say they are infringing on our IP. But we haven't heard anything of the sort in relation to China and Nigeria over spam (a much bigger problem).
Regardless of whether or not we have a copy of a blank check signed by the RIAA to [insert politician here], this passive aggression our leaders are so fond of is very telling.
A little random number generation on the back end, and we're all good.
550 - Stegospam hash recognized in message body. Thank you for your support of Falun Dafa. Use key responding with #48187 to access payment - U8FDO 4J7D3 5FLI0 0S5DX RTND6
Let's put those 'volunteers' to good work.
Current estimates by Trend Micro show China responsible for over 14 billion spams per day.
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Crackdown on spam, or just a convenient way to employ 20k citizens while getting good international PR in one fell swoop?
Unpleasantries.
-Eric
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
It would be great if they would be able to block the US-spam on it's way to Europe somehow...
I'll check digg to verify if this is really news.
Do I need to be Chinese to volunteer? I'd gladly give some time to shut down spammers, regardless of national residence...
You can't solve all your problems with a great wall. Spam has been a problem for a long time, and it's one of those easily overcompensating balancing acts. Some services are overfiltering, and it's no surprise. There are all sorts of clever ways to try and sort things out, trying to recognize certain words or phrases or check to see if you know certain people, but in the end, there are always exceptions. What about that girl you met last night that really does work for the Mega Ab Destroyer 8000 Co? When it comes down to it, a fairly light filter that you check yourself, complemented with a whole lot of your own personal judgement tends to work. People need information about spamming techniques and what to watch out for, not just hard filtering.
This sounds a lot like their all-volunteer internet morality police at their universities and internet cafes. Self-proclaimed enforcers will tip off the authorities to something they don't like, maybe spam, maybe just free speech. The article doesn't offer much detail, but this program is run by the ministry of information, ironically the ministry in charge of suppressing information.
Spam crack down on MII !
contacting chinese isp's and hosting companies to tell them that they're sending out spam, hosting malware, or other *bad stuff* is usually a waste of time... this effort could at very least provide anti-s people in the US and Europe with good contacts in china.
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Come around eleven, and it's time to get home
I'm going her way, but I can't leave her alone
But she's looking at me, as if I'm something she owns
Oh, Hu's getting serious (Hu)
Hu's getting serious, I've got to do something 'cause
Hu's getting serious (Hu)
and I could get serious too
Say what you will about the United States, but at least you can't say that we spend extreme percentages on our military while we have major internal problems. China wouldn't have anywhere near the problems it does today with crime and pollution if it didn't devote so many resources to its military. I get tired of the excuses for their priorities "oh they're afraid of the United States!" Bullshit. We can't even get riled up over Afghanistan, a country that aided and abetted the 9-11 terrorists and protected their ring leader. China would have to do something monstrous like conquer one of the "asian tigers" or Japan to get enough passion to actually fight them. You know what this just proves once again? Big government doesn't give a fuck about the common person unless they're revolting or about to. China's spam problems are only the tip of the iceberg. How about stopping all of those hack attacks against government and industry first? Priorities, priorities.
Too bad the "Volunteers" will be Falan Gong political prisoners, who "may" will get there havested organs back if they stop enough !!V1aGRa Get Moroe Penil Bigger!!
Over at SpecialHam, the forum for bottom-feeder spammers, it seems to be business as usual today. No mention of any crackdown in China. Typical message: "Please give me ICQ UINs of poeple who make installations at trojaned computers. I need to install some software." There's some gloating over the collapse of BlueSecurity. Some new ways to spam Myspace. But no real concerns about enforcement today.
*Reads headline only*
-A while back we were told Taiwan held the world cup for spam (small statue of a devil holding an envelope).
-Now China wants to crack down on spam.
-I see only one way they can do this, or am I terribly mistaken? (P.S Yes I am aware issue is cleared up in summary. Just laugh.)
I'm sure the Chinese solutions to the spam problem will be top-notch. They'll go around looking for people who appear that they might be some kind of spammer, toss them into the back of a van, and then drive them to the re-education center where they'll have electric shocks applied to their privates until they confess. Meanwhile, the actual problem of spam in China will continue unabated.
This sig, aah-ah, is comin' like a ghost-sig...
How many years now have numerous email admins either blocked all email from China or score hits to blacklists such as Blackhole's China & Korea Combined very highly? BTW, China definitely has no right to complain about firewall/gateway censorship.
I thought this was going to be about the new FPS game "Serious Spam" in which the heroine tries to defeat democracy with her spam gun and filtered Google Water (beta).
But seriously, I hope this cuts down on the number of emails I get with all question marks in the subject line. If China is succesful with this program, perhaps other countries will follow suite. (I'm looking at you, Taiwan! *shakes fist*)
peace out.
Is there heaven? Is there Hell? Is that a Tuna Melt I smell?-Primus
Dear Comrade,
Your attempt to send email has been blocked due to violations of one or more of the following email filter rules:
Your email:
- contained unsolicited information.
- promoted products and services critical of the state.
- contained inappropriate sexual or religious matter.
- is detrimental to national security.
Note that this list is subject to change or amendment without prior notification or warning. Additional stricter criteria may be applied order to prevent inappropriate email from being distributed.This violation has been logged by the People's Central Committee and will be carefully investigated. Your presence and full cooperation is required during the investigation, and a full confession will be considered in your favor when your sentence is determined.
As there are severe penalties, including life imprisonment or execution, for sending inappropriate email, your cooperation with the investigating committee is essential.
---- It won't be as bad as you fear or as good as you hope, but it will take twice as long as you plan.
will spammers get the death penalty? Think I just found the ultimate ethical delimma for the average slashdotter. Is it good if China executes a spammer, but does so in it's new fleet of mobile lethal injection vans and harvests the organs for sale? When cheering the execution of spammers, which at least half the readership here has been waiting for, can you be sure your celebration is for a real spammer or a political dissident?
Arrogance is Confidence which lacks integrity. -- me
You know, I'm supprised with all the censoring and filtering they do, they just don't mandate all email be sent through government controlled servers and block port 25 on the "great firewall". That way they could say it's in the name of spam (or security, or whatever) and still read what they want. (I know, I know, stop giving them ideas)
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China can have Volunteers?
Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
I was hoping for a follow-up that said "China Getting 'Serious' About Gold Farmers?" but then I thought if they did they'd recruit 20,000 volunteers to help gold farmers. It's bad enough that they're hoarding real world resources, but when they do it in our MMO's too... that's just too much.
So, will most of the analysis be done by Information Retrieval or Information Dispersal?
Either way, Central Services will probably end up doing all the dirty work.
My only suggestion: make sure they've filled out a 27b/6 form before you let them lay a finger your server. But then, I'm a bit of a stickler for paperwork.
FYI: Email postmasters, please block 70.252.29.129 (adsl-70-252-29-129.dsl.austtx.swbell.net)
The computer at that IP address has been compromised and is spewing 'bozo spam'. I got 3 of them recently for some kind of weightloss product.
Complete details that fully explain why this IP address should be blocked is here.
I assure you, this is not a prank, joke, or 'dirty trick' ('joe job').
Thank you for your consideration.
Didn't Chairman Mao like, invent spam with all those "Little Red Book"s he kept jamming down people's throats?
The few surviving samurai survey the battlefield. Count the arms the legs and heads and then divide by five.
as each inbound connect attempt (to my ssh port, which I have tightly controlled via tcpwrappers, you morans!) is logged, so is an ipfw (freebsd) firewall entry to block either /24 or - fuck it - /16 from their netblock. IF its from .cn or .tw or .kr (etc). I discover (as they float to my log) and block. full block, not just email.
fark them. there's zero accountability there and I doubt things will change. I run a very small site and so there is no NEED to allow spam^Hemail from those geo's.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
Even the biggest chinese ISP doesn't follow RFC (like accepting bounces).
They don't care about how mail works, I would be very curious how they put an end to spam.
I gave up with the idea of an useful sig...
I'm serious about Chinese spam too...
*.ch DISCARD
*.tw DISCARD
That's MY Great Firewall.
Welcome to the Internet... Asso...
No one wants China to wage war on taiwan but now that they are cracking down on spam taiwan is in trouble. Being the cause of 2/3rds of the spam in the world is just asking for trouble, maybe china will take out a page from the American books and call this "The War on Spam".
Just because you say things will get better doesn't mean jackshit.
Guns & tanks put an end to Tiananman Square and they'll do it again. I think you're a bit naïve in assuming that China's government is all "love and flowers" about this change.
Open up your eyes. People in power like to stay in power. It's that simple.
May I point out that, although totalitarian regimes _do_ violate human rights and mis-use laws against dissidents, sometimes they actually have to solve an actual problem? E.g., even Stalin's USSR and Mao's China at their darkest hour, while they did have a some of the most brutal suppression of dissidents, they also had laws to deal with plain old crimes like theft, embezzlement, murder, etc. They also had plenty of civil laws too, like for example, divorces, inheritance, child support, etc.
I.e., it seems to me pretty stupid to assume that any law in China is somehow _guaranteed_ be 100% for oppression purposes, and only disguised in a more propaganda-friendly guise. Maybe someone there genuinely got fed up with spam. Maybe a bunch of bosses in the PRC just had one day too many of finding their inboxes full of "H3rb@1 \/i@gr@" emails. Or maybe it was the "Thousands of 18 year old teens waiting for you!!!" mails. China's conservative leadership tends to take a very grim view of pornography, plus they have _much_ higher age of consent.
Are those volunteers paid to either read other people's emails and to point fingers at demand? How do you know that? How do you know it's not just people paid to register email addresses and use them all over the place, and see what spam lands in those inboxes? Or maybe run honeypots to see who's actually commanding the army of spam-bots with Joe-job faked sender addresses? Or whatever? For the size of China 1000 admins and 20,000 volunteers is a spit in the ocean, if their goal was to read all emails. But to run a honeypot net or to get reliable reports of who's been spamming their inboxes, it may be just enough.
Basically the D&D mentality that some people are by definition evil, hence they can only ever give evil laws, is so fucking stupid that it's not even funny. _Noone_ defines themselves as evil, sworn enemy of all goodness, and able to only ever do evil stuff, like in retarded D&D-type settings and cheap fantasy flicks. The Real Life isn't divided neatly like that.
In RL even the most horrible dictator may really think they're only doing just what's good for their country (even if for everyone else it doesn't really count as good), and not just acting out of some Sith-like determination to extinguish all goodness. RL "evil" is more about not caring about collateral damage done than being some sworn destroyer of all that's still good and pure. And sometimes, even if by accident, their notion of "good" may actually be good.
That's all I'm saying here too. Just assuming "The Chinese government is evil, hence any Chinese law _must_ be 100% for the sole purpose of crushing freedoms and harming people" is just bullshit. We just don't know that. Assuming you can "translate" like that, is just some self-righteous bullshit, nothing more.
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Looks like china.blackholes.us stays in the mail config then
then its the sbl, and then spews. == China not good place for internet hosting.
Sounds like some Chinese trading partner complained so somebody needs to put on a show. The big-time spammers are all paid up with the right officials so they will be ignored. They will punish a few small-timers to remind them they need to pay up.
When they get another complaint lather, rinse, repeat.
The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer. - Edward R. Murrow
I already block China (and Taiwan, to be fair and balanced) using pobox's antispam service.
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I wouldnt be surprised if the bodies are sold to 'exotic meat' restaurants.
I remember some years ago, Chinese authorities uncovered a black market for human flesh, after someone claimed a relative's body from which the leg muscles had been cut off.
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OK I can't be the first to think that this might be their way to find "volenteers" to do this. Oh the Irony!
What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?
I look forward to seeing Al Quaida fighting spam.
This would work, but only if China uses these 20.000 to wean people off of spam generating platforms and applications. Nearly 100% of spam, regardless of country, is launched from botnets of exploited MS Windows machines. Now that open relays have been closed up, it's only Window's bad design and unsuitability for the Internet are providing the technical foundation for spam. Clear out Windows and you clear out spam.
Rather than wasting time sorting messages manually, preventative measures would have more return on investment. Most proactive options necessitate the removal of Windows. In China, BSD and Linux can be obtained for the same price as Windows so that cost shouldn't be an excuse to be running systems unsuited for the Internet.
See the stats here.
They are the maximum estimates of military expenditures of PRC and USA respectivelyg et
from Wikipedia.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China's_military_bud
Also From CIA Factbook !
PRC $81.48 billion (2005 est.)
USA $518.1 billion (FY04 est.) (2005 est.)
Surely you are the kettle calling the pot black.
You're off-topic, since this is an article about China and you're complaining about somebody in Texas. Also, since this IP is already listed in multiple spam blacklists (including cbl.abuseat.org, dnsbl.sorbs.net, sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org, and bl.spamcop.net), anybody who wanted to block spam from this IP is probably already doing so, and they don't need you to inform them. I've never received spam from this IP, probably because I use various blacklists, both to completely deny connections and to add to SpamAssassin's weighted scores.
So chill out. Spam happens, and this is just one example out of hundreds of thousands. If you're not willing to just ignore it, then call AT&T and see what they have to say about it.
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$x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
Fight SPAM, and send a bill to the (ex)spammers family for the bullet!
I am the unwilling control for my Origin.
How amusing when evil gets annoyed with evil.
As Grandpa used to say, "t'ain't no use closin' the barn doors after all the cattle hescaped."
There is one thing and one thing ONLY that will slow down spam at this point: A concerted and highly publicised series of spammer executions, taking place over the next two years.
Alan Ralsky? Bullet to the head. Tony Banks? Same thing.
Two years of putting _all_ major spammers to death might slow things down. Nothing less will.
Now I'm not saying that this is the right move, or a noble, honourable, or moral one. However, it's the only one that will stop spam.
If we wanted to stop spam, we needed to do it back in 1995.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
Hi,
Click here: http://www.senderbase.org/
You will notice "top senders by domain". There are some telecoms "shouldn't be" there. They are the spam infested ISPs who doesn't have a clue about managing their services. Sadly it includes my backbone too.
I seriously suspect China spam is sort of foreign policy. As a spamcop (free,paid)/) user for years I have right to suspect so. Also if ISPs, large ISPs end this "politically correct" crap and enable country wide user selectable blocking lists you will see how they buy those Ironport, eSafe etc. devices by paying 1% of their revenue.
What about commercial communications? Well you will tell your business partner to find a better managed ISP.
so is MII supposed to be pronounced "me" or "my?"
track7.org has all kinds of interesting stuff!
Global warming is neither science, nor politics. It is a religion.
Now if we can work on the rest of China's exports, we'll be back on top!
Thank you for your help. The information in your post helped to make my program better. :)