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Immaturity Level Rising in Adults

Ant writes to tell us that a Discovery News article is exploring the old adage, "like a kid at heart", which may be closer to the truth than we would like to admit. New research is showing that grown-ups are more immature than ever. From the article: "Specifically, it seems a growing number of people are retaining the behaviors and attitudes associated with youth. As a consequence, many older people simply never achieve mental adulthood, according to a leading expert on evolutionary psychiatry."

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  1. To that I say... by Aadain2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They are all just poopy-heads! Big, smelly, ugly, poopy-heads!

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    1. Re:To that I say... by Skidge · · Score: 5, Insightful
      They are all just poopy-heads! Big, smelly, ugly, poopy-heads!

      Nu-uh! You're a poopy-head!
    2. Re:To that I say... by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, um, you've got cooties!

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  2. Resignation. by haeger · · Score: 5, Insightful
    [Stolen from some website]

    Adult Resignation
    To Whom It May Concern:

    I am hereby officially tendering my resignation as an adult.

    I have decided I would like to accept the responsibilities of a 6 year old again.

    I want to go to McDonald's and think that it's a four star restaurant.
    I want to sail sticks across a fresh mud puddle and make ripples with rocks.
    I want to think M&Ms are better than money, because you can eat them.
    I want to play kickball during recess and paint with watercolors in art.
    I want to lie under a big Oak tree and run a lemonade stand with my friends on a hot summers day.
    I want to return to a time when life was simple.
    When all you knew were colors, addition tables and simple nursery rhymes. But that didn't bother you, because you didn't know what you didn't know and you didn't care.
    When all you knew was to be happy because you didn't know all the things that should make you worried and upset.
    I want to think that the world is fair. That everyone in it is honest and good.
    I want to believe that anything is possible.
    Somewhere in my youth...I matured and I learned too much.

    I learned of nuclear weapons, war, prejudice, starvation and abused children.
    I learned of lies, unhappy marriages, suffering, illness, pain and death.
    I learned of a world where men left their families to go and fight for our country, and returned only to end up living on the streets... begging for their next meal.
    I learned of a world where children knew how to kill...and did.

    What happened to the time when we thought that everyone would live because we didn't grasp the concept of death?
    When we thought the worst thing in the world was if someone took the jump rope from you or picked you last for kickball?

    I want to be oblivious to the complexity of life and be overly excited by little things once again. I want to return to the days when reading was fun and music was clean. When television was used to report the news or for family entertainment and not to promote sex, violence and deceit.

    I remember being naive and thinking that everyone was happy because I was.
    I would walk on the beach and only think of the sand between my toes and the prettiest seashell I could find.
    I would spend my afternoon climbing trees and riding my bike.

    I didn't worry about time, bills or where I was going to find the money to fix my car.
    I used to wonder what I was going to do or be when I grew up, not worry about what I'll do if this doesn't work out.

    I want to live simple again.
    I don't want my day to consist of computer crashes, mountains of paperwork, depressing news, how to survive more days in the month than there is money in the bank, doctor bills, gossip, illness and loss of loved ones.
    I want to believe in the power of smiles, hugs, a kind word, truth, justice, peace, dreams, the imagination, mankind and making angels in the snow.

    I want to be 6 again.

    .haeger

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    1. Re:Resignation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I want to think M&Ms are better than money, because you can eat them.

      Clearly you were unimaginative as a kid, and thus missed out on the special trip to the hospital.

      I want to go back to the time when green was a flavour.

    2. Re:Resignation. by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I just want to say I hate shit like this.

      This chain-letter bullshit is all the same. On some ultra-shallow level it seems great, and sentimental, but with 3 seconds of thought and usually two sentences in it becomes obvious what trite crap it is. Whether it's wanting to be 6, or learning everything you need to know from your dog, or whatever other BS that gets mailed around it all sounds like it was written by the same person on a Robotussin binge. Just awful stuff, horribly written and with no intellectual value whatsoever.

      On a less general note, if you want to be 6 again, fuck off and go be 6. Work in a factory, it's got about the same level of responsibility. It doesn't sound like somebody whistfully remembering childhood, it sounds like a man-child that doesn't want to contribute to society because it's hard.

      Now, before you ask who pissed in my Fruit Loops, nobody did. I have a sense of humor, and am usually a pretty carefree guy. This type of "humor" just manages to push almost every last button I have. The only way it could get worse is if some sadist let George Carlin have a whack at it, with lots of Jeff Foxworthy-worthy lists, some booger-eating references, and "fuck" every 4th word to make it sound adult. When are people going to realize that guy's a hack?

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  3. Laugh or Cry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe it's because as the world turns increasingly to s h i t, people develop a imaturity complex derived from the "laugh" half of the proverbial "laugh or cry" syndrome.

    1. Re:Laugh or Cry by cp.tar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is a reason why most stand-up comedians are people with a hard personal history.

      Humour, cynicsm, sarcasm... all defence mechanisms.

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  4. Personal position by heinousjay · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can only speak for myself.

    I reject the traditional concepts of maturity. I refuse to spend my life doing things I don't like because of some outmoded notion of 'have to.' The pressure to grow up, to think like an adult, is ridiculous and useless from an objective standpoint.

    This doesn't mean shirking responsibility is part of the mindset. It simply means I try to retain a childlike viewpoint on the world. One of the most important things children have that most adults lack is a sense of wonder and discovery. The benefits are astonishing.

    That said, I didn't actually read the article, as it were, so I may be wildly off-topic. In true immature fashion, whatever.

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  5. Responsibility by abdulwahid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think part of the problem might be that people are not forced to grow up and take responsibility at such a young age as they were before. I am now living in Africa but comparing my experiences to when I was living in the West I see this every day. Many children here have to take serious responsibilities in life from a young age. Perhaps they have to look after whole families or simply go out and find food every day for themselves. Regardless, when speaking to some of the young people you find that they are relatively mature.

    Perhaps in the West people are too protected and hence don't need to grow up. Many people by the age of 18 have never gone to bed with hunger pains. They have probably never had a real job. They are probably given an allowance from their parents that they can go and waste on useless luxuries. The kids in the West are pampered and spoilt. No wonder there is a trend towards immaturity.

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    1. Re:Responsibility by Planesdragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think part of the problem might be that people are not forced to grow up and take responsibility at such a young age as they were before.

      Nope, sorry.

      The friends of mine who HAVE had to take responsibility at a young age, who HAVE gone to bed with hunger pains (and not out of choice) are far more immature and unable to take care of themselves than those of us who were children until the age of 18. Being introduced to hardship doesn't cause one to grow up faster -- it causes one to stop growing and start muddling through, even if they're not ready.

      If you look at the rate of war, murder, and general chaos, you'll find that those regions of the world where children are not allowed to mature before being forced to act like adults are far worse off than places like the west. While I won't argue that western children are "spoiled" far more often than their african counterparts -- I think I'd rather my children be spoiled than broken.

    2. Re:Responsibility by Trifthen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think to a certain degree, that something like this happened to me. I grew up dirt poor, and worked diligently to absolutely pulverize school, finish a fully loaded IB curriculum, and get a college degree to escape that whole mess. I went to bed hungry, lived in trailers, moved a lot, and basically ran the house myself until I went to college.

      There's something about barely having a childhood that makes me want to be childish. I was 40 when I was 15, so I think I deserve the luxury of a few video games and a silly outlook now that I've made something of myself. I know what it's like to live a banal existence where laughs are forced or tied to shutting out everything looming menacingly ahead. I burned out at 18, and reached the conclusion that people take life too seriously; I made a vow to live and enjoy the little time I've been allotted. It's a cycle, really. I could spend the rest of my days resenting my past, be a bitter old fart ranting of rules and rigid discipline to reach success, but I know where that road leads.

      Responsibility? Sure, no question. Maturity to a fault? No. We have a rare opportunity to retain some of our childish antics in our old age, so why not enjoy it? Ever notice people generally calm down considerably once they are grandparents? They've experienced the utter maturity of raising children, they've tried the rules and regulations, punishments and experimentation. Grandma knows the deal now, she conspires with your children to undermine your authority, because she knows something you haven't quite learned: sometimes it's better to be "immature."

      But the parent poster had a major point: spoiled children aren't merely immature, they're sheltered and unprepared for maturity. It's a critical difference, and one the article misses. Without any other recourse, people continue with what they know and slowly realize it doesn't suffice when confronted with the inherent complexity of the adult world. Without a bailout, these people flounder horribly, and make immature decisions mostly through ignorance. They'll "grow up," but it'll take longer. Now we see where "helicopter parenting" truly leads.

      Not pretty, is it?

      By the way, some of those friends of yours who act immature? Talk to them sometime. That part of them which lived hard and grew up before their time is still there. Tell them to flip the switch and speak candidly, and they'll likely comply. If you ever want to see one of your funny or seemingly flippant friends suddenly become a wise old sage, it's a simultaneously terrible and awe-inspiring sight to behold.

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  6. A way to deal by demon_2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that this is just a way for adults to deal with the stress of current day life. Or a side affect if you will.

  7. Who wants to be six again? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes that's all very sentimental but why do you want to be six again, an age where from time to time you can sail a stick across a mud puddle but more often than not you are told you can't go near the mud muddle because you're wearing good clothes/at a wedding/supposed to stay dry? Who yearns for a time when everything is out of your control and sailing sticks across a pond is fun because you've still to undeveloped mentally to enjoy a good game of Risk?

    I prefer a world where I have greater control over my freedom, where my education is in my own hands as is my destinty. A world where I can paint watercolors any damn time I feel like no matter what I'm wearing and while I am aware of nuclear weapons I can also dismiss such vapid fears casually to enjoy a warm summer day.

    Being an adult is awesome if you just follow the golden words of Paul McCartney and let it be!

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  8. Academics, eh? by EnglishTim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the artice:

    The theory's creator is Bruce Charlton, a professor in the School of Biology at the University of Newcastle upon Tyne, England...
    "People such as academics, teachers, scientists and many other professionals are often strikingly immature outside of their strictly specialist competence..."


    I'm amused that he singles out academics, teachers and scientists - pretty much the exact description of people he has in his department. Not that I wish to suggest that the fine fellows at the University of Newcastle upon Tyne are in any way immature (I did my Bachelor's degree there), but I can't help thinking that his paper is by implication not exactly flattering to them.

  9. Worldwide? by Bazman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some people have commented that this is only happening in developed nations. But if it happens all over teh globe, would that make it a Peter Pan-demic?

  10. Explaination by Zemran · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional... and I opted out.

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    1. Re:Explaination by hey! · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you are sufficently self centered and poor/uninterested in reading social cues, you'll never realize that you are pathetic middle aged man sponging off his parents and frittering away all his time on their broadband connection.

      In a way if you are sufficiently far from realizing you are pathetic, it is indistinguishable from not being pathetic. It's like being so far away from being a normal human being that you approach a semblence of it, as it were, coming from the other direction.

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  11. Re:Does this surprise anybody? by highonlife · · Score: 5, Funny

    always pointing at somebody else in the back of class that through the paper airplane.


    Did it happen during english class when they were teaching the word "throw"?
  12. Re:Does this surprise anybody? by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 5, Funny
    we're like a cuontry of 8 year olds, always pointing at somebody else in the back of class that through the paper airplane.
    Eight year olds can spell "country" and "threw". Now write both of them 100 times, or I'll keep you in at recess.
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  13. Re:Not sure about this guy's definitions by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 5, Funny
    I don't see any reason one can't keep a child-like mind while still being financially responsible and dependable.
    Greetings! My daddy used to be the nigerain minizter for candies and in my house I have a very enourmus jar of sweets. Unfortunatly this jar is guarded by my big brother, but if you give me ten bucks I will bribe him to open it for me ... er us and I will share them with you.
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  14. I remember being six... by S.P.B.Wylie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And it wasn't the paradise you remember. Sure, someone stealing you jump rope was you biggest problem, but at the time you felt like it was the end of the world. You would often throw fits, yell, and generally colapse. Now we look back at that stuff and think how easy we had it, because we have grown up and can handle it.

    Instead of "wishing to be six," I want to learn to be a adult that thinks like a six-year-old. I want to be able to deal with problems in a responcible manner, but still understand the fun of silly hats. I want to understand that there are bad things in the world, but still meet the world with smiles and a it-will-work-out deminer. We have the misconception that we must be cyical adults just because we have reached a certain age. I'm going to be a kid forever!

    Oh, and remember, if you became 6 again, you would have your teenage years to look forward to *shudder*

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  15. Re:Does this surprise anybody? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a difference between "I know this piece of fried chicken is bad for me" and "wow - this piece of fried chicken was prepared with rat poison because Fried Chicken Inc's research showed that rat poison would make me crave it more".

  16. Re:The fact that that was modded "insightful"... by Silas+Palmer-Cannon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that that was modded insightful is proof of this phenomena. And also a little ironic.

  17. Re:What is wrong with being child-like by GoofyBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >sometimes the 6-year-old has it right. "Why don't people just talk instead of having wars?"

    Have you've ever seen two 6 year olds fight over a useless toy both of them will forget in about 2 hours?

    Have you've ever seen a 6 year old go into extreme crying/temper tantrum mode causing fustration to their parents (you know, the ones who feed and love them) just because they can't get a small shiny colourful package of candy?

    Sometimes 6 year olds don't have it right.

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  18. I agree wholeheartedly by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As an adult, I am subject to a wider variety of feelings and emotions than a 6 year old. Being an adult is more subtle - we gain access to joys that a child couldn't even understand. When you're six, you know happy, sad, fear, hungry, tired. As an adult you also can experience bemusement, irony, sarcasm, terror, bliss, longing, melancholy, and a host of other things that make the experience of just living through your day more deep and meaningful. Your mental palette is larger. Yes, it means you can be hurt or suffer in larger ways than a child. But you can also rise above them in ways a child could not. The game is bigger, so the rewards are bigger.

    And speaking of the palette, food is an excellent way of describing the difference. As a 6 year old, all you crave is candy. Big ugly blocks of sugar. As an adult, you're complex enough to tell the difference between good sushi and bad. Really expertly done fresh sushi with fresh ground wasabi and some nice sake on the side is sublime, and that's the joy of it, and a child could never understand it. Think of how many things there are like that.

    Another good reason - look at what you would have to go through today. At the risk of sounding like an Auld Farte, think about how bad teenagers have it today. All the good music is gone. Pepsi decides what is cool these days. You have three choices basically. Stupid thumping gangsta rap whose only function is to shake your car's quarter panels, bubblegum crap pop, or Nu Metal where guys with long hair get up in front of the mike, blast the distortion and whine about their relationships.

    And you can't do anything fun or dangerous in this bubble-wrap world we've made. As soon as one kid gets hurt doing something it gets outlawed or regulated past the point of any fun whatsoever. How many childhood memories do you have where you were experiencing both big fun and mild danger at the same time? Are their any stories you have about your childhood that you haven't told your parents yet because you don't want to give them a heart attack? Kids today will never have those kinds of vivid childhood memories. We've outlawed them.

    If God All-Mighty came down from the clouds and told me he would be willing to make me a six year old again, I would politely decline. I've got it better now than I've ever had it, and I feel genuinely sorry for children born in this time.

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  19. Re:Burden is an illusion by Bastian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't read His Dark Materials, but I have read the others.

    Calvin and Hobbes I don't take as a great example. Calvin is emotionally unstable, creates a lot of problems for those around him, and doesn't strike me as being particularly much happier than the other characters in the story. Hobbes makes an interesting foil; he's often used to underline the silliness of Calvin's destructive behavior. He's much more mature than Calvin, gets along with others better, and doesn't harbor nearly as much anger. Calvin may be the protagonist, but he's not the hero.

    Winnie the Pooh was written for children, so the characters are naturally going to be very childlike. However, I don't see a single life lesson that comes from Pooh which can't be applied in adult life - indeed, Pooh's easygoing attitude is something I see in adults far more often than in children. I don't have kids of my own, but at least in public I often marvel at how strongly they can fixate on small, inconsequential objects, which strikes me as just about the last thing Winnie-the-Pooh would ever do. I'd say that, of all the characters in the Pooh series, Pooh and Christopher Robin represent the attitudes and ways of thinking of children that I've met the least well. Far more often, they remind me of Rabbit or Tigger.

    Really, if I had to say anything about Pooh's character, I'd say that he represents the patience and equanimity that are the best qualities of well-mannered adults, and that he was made somewhat dim in an effort to counteract his otherwise overhwelming wisdom in an effort to keep the character entertaining, as well as to make it easier for children to relate to him.

  20. Easy Work Around by ukemike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a way you can re-experience the joys of childhood (and they are many) while maintaining the rich experience of adulthood.

    Become a parent. Then spend lots of time with your children.

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