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Microsoft's Handheld Codenamed Argo
The Seattle Times reports that details on Microsoft's handheld gaming/music device are finally slipping out. The Argo project looks to be Microsoft's hedge against angry analysts, upset that the next versions of Office and Windows have slipped yet again. From the article: "As reported last week, initially by Bloomberg News, the device is expected to go on sale by Christmas. It has Wi-Fi capability so it can connect wirelessly to home and public networks and other players. Wi-Fi sounds like a big deal if you're comparing the player to the wire-bound iPod. But this is more than just another MP3 player. It will also compete with game players from Sony and Nintendo that have long had Wi-Fi and work as media players, Internet terminals and communication devices. Argo is likely to showcase another Allard project — XNA, a new toolkit that helps game developers create titles for multiple platforms."
A bit off topic, but I fail to see why this article would appear under the Apple section. I suppose one could agrue that because it likely is a product made to go tete-a-tete with an Apple product, one might want it mentioned there. But shouldn't this be under Microsoft's section? Or handhelds?
This sig isn't original enough, it's time to come up with something witty...
Did I read that correctly? The media forgot to call it an ipod-killer!? Heads are going to roll down at the Seattle Times.
"Wi-Fi sounds like a big deal if you're comparing the player to the wire-bound iPod."
Not exactly the same result, but AirTunes provides something most of us simply want...
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So now we have a codename for the project, and that's it? This is news?
I'm not trying to be negative, but a codename and speculation of something that was already speculation is hohum to me.
Trying to pack in too many features into one thing and making them all equally slow and hard to use.
to make a few features a little slower and a little harder but they couldn't, they ended up with them "all equally slow and hard to use". Oh well, better luck next time.
Seriously, Good Luck to Microsoft ...
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... Microsoft is going to need all the luck they can get.
They are attempting to build a system in the exact same mold as Sony where Sony was unsuccessful
They're facing Nintendo after the DS Lite has made the Nintendo DS the most popular system (by a large margin) in every region it has released
Seriously
Argo: I have detected non-proprietry media formats on your network, as a result the RIAA have been contacted. Would you like me to recommend a good lawyer?
what happened to Origami?
MS seems to have lots of announcements of future products, and even "launches", but I rarely actually see anything from them in real life.
Not wishing to sound like a nay-sayer, but what happened to Microsoft's last handheld device, the Origami?
Anyone?
Exactly, not much at all. I'm rather skeptical at this point to be honest. The only hardware that has an MS-badge on that I've found to be any good has normally been developed elsewhere and brought in and rebadged.
Name your latest high tech gadget for a bronze age pirate ship crewed by illiterate drunks and thieves trying to stay one step ahead of that mad bitch Medea. Brilliant!
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
No doubt this will have as big an impact on the gaming market as the Origami had on the portables market.
This could actually work for Microsoft if its marketed properly. There are plenty of disgruntled PSP owners (myself included) who want a device that can do more than play games and plenty of Ipod users that are irritated that the repeated requests for features such as wireless continually fall on deaf ears. If they market the device as a media device that just happens to play games they really have a shot at making a dent.
The PSP was a great idea but the Memory Stick Duo and UMD options really killed alot of its potential IMHO. The device had already been out a year before MSD 's of any size significant enough for music or video were affordable. Without the ability to output to a bigger screen, UMD was DOA, after all who the heck wants to rebuy their movies on a format that only works on a dinky little portable screen. The sad part is that if the UMD format had been opened up allowing the option of homeplayers and such the format could have really taken off.
The IPod while a great device is at the Mercy of whatever bone Job's feels like throwing at the users. I love apples design and innovation but the tempermental artist who thinks he knows what you need better than you know what you want act is really getting old.
A fairly generic handheld with a decent screen, standard memory format and decent capabilities would surely be welcomed by those who dont really need a full fledged pda but want something more than a game player.
Nintendo does well in the hand-held market because they've spent almost 20 years learning what people want in a hand held device, as well as offering a large selection of software that is fun and speaks to a wide spectrum of people, not just your 14-24 male crowd.
Sony has been able to break into the handheld market (where many others have failed) because they have the brand name recognition, as well as ports for a lot of popular franchises, not to mention the nice movie viewing capability. (However, even Sony is beginning to sink, as the number of people speaking against the constant remakes are beginning to grow, and UMD movies have all but sunk.)
So Microsoft, which barely edged Nintendo out for second place in America, and is in third place in Japan by a far gap (even despite being the first "next-gen" system there), thinks that they can break into the handheld market with what sounds like another version of their "Origami" project, but geared more towards games? I would put down safe money that it sinks faster than the Game Gear. The idea of it being an XBox brand makes me think that the device will be bigger than the PSP, too.
"My, that backpack looks heavy. What do you have in there?"
"My eXtreme-Box portable gaming system."
"And what else?"
"Uh, that's it."
Of course, no one would try to steal it, since the device would be useful as a bludguning instrument, as well. "Looks like the perp left a mark on his victim. What exactly is that?" "Looks like some sort of big X."
Presenting the next-generation iPod killer.
(Redmond, WA) Today amid thunderous applause, Microsoft's CEO Steven Balmer has unveiled the 'bigger, better, stronger,' next-generation PDA/mediaplayer nicknamed Argo, designed from the ground-up to address customer needs and built upon numerous shortcoming of its rival iPod.
Argo features a consumer-replacable 400 VAC lead acid battery, not only cheap to replace, but also ultra-portable at 10 lb.
Living up to its reputation for building sold, reliable hardware, Microsoft has included a sturdy 1/8" titanium cover housing a 7000 RPM double ball-bearing fan for a cooler, quieter performance akin to XBox-360.
Addressing consumer outcry for easier ways to combat piracy, the company included a Genuine-Advantaged Clippy. Never fear Jack Sparrow, for Clippy is on the lookout: 'Looks like you'd like to purchase a non-pirated copy...'
Addressing iPod's lack of backward compatibility, the msPod features both RS232/LTP and RJ12 ports (from winmodem) easily accessible from the front.
Argo is designed to be compatible with the future software and hardware, which includes expandability options via internal PCI/ISA slot. And a built-in ATA/66 controller (IDE cable/power adapter not included) allows those nerds to take their 3.5"-HD-stored library on the go!
As always, the customer support is Microsoft's top priority, and the included activation reminder will let buyers continue using their msPod for 14 days without registering. Helpfully, it will periodically stop your song to remind you to register!
In unrelated news, a local Redmond furniture company filed for the chapter-9 protection.
Obama likes poor people so much, he wants to make more of them.
WiFi! Music! Games! Talks nice with Xbox! iPod/PSP/DS/GameBoy/kitchen sink-killer!
If we're lucky, the marketing department will know exactly how to package and advertise this product so we all know to buy one. Maybe it'll even jump off the shelves at us. Literally!
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Argo? Not.
"Sometimes a woman is a kind of religion, she can save your soul & set you free from all your sins" - Bad Examples
Until it's able to split the atom, I'd say the feature list is incomplete.
The "agro" - what term could sum it up better?
Yes, I realize I misread it but, with any problems at all, you know that's the name that'll stick.
Last time I checked, I was paying to not see ads. What's up with these "offsite" related articles? If they are indeed relevant, put them in a box on the right.
One of the key things in the iPod's early (and sustained) success has been its small form factor. Compare the size of the iPod to the size of a PSP or nintendo DS or a wireless PDA/smartphone (just visualize them in your head, I'm not comparing them as devices).
Now consider a device that combines most of the functions of these, as the article suggests: music player, video/picture playback, wireless internet capability, game-playing capability, all with a crisp color screen and XX hours battery life.
Does Microsoft have the ability to deliver all of these functions into a form factor that will have mass appeal, at a price that will allow it to compete with the iPod? I believe not. In fact, given the current state of the art, I think that we are still several years from the kind of miniaturization and manufacturing that anyone would need to be able to pull that off. I don't think that Microsoft will be the company to do it. It may not be Apple, either.
From the fires of Mount Doom, is this the one gadget to rule all gadgets?
Why on Earth would MS be developing games for the DS if it intended to come out with a competing device?
MechAssualt DS - based on the Xbox games
Diddy Kong Racing DS (a port from the N64, via MS-owned Rare)
I quit!
From the description it sounds like this device is just going to be a revamped oragami with a xBox OS. We have yet to a viable Oragami. Even with MS Cell phones are not taking the market by storm. I actually think MS has a good chance of wining the music player market if it leverages the xBox platform instead of MS Windows. I realize that it will hard not to use the desktop monopoly to push the product, but do we really want a game/music machine with outllook?
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
is what smartass decided to name it after a starch?
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
Won't this just be CE..I mean PocketPC...I mean Windows Mobile with a couple new bundled apps, an added API, and a hardware reference that specs a patent-safe imitation of the iPod click wheel? The tech press has latched on to this for some reason for the last few days, probably planted to take advantage of a recently weakened AAPL, but it makes no sense for M$ to alienate their phone and PDA customers by coming out with their own hardware.
This new information actually muddies the water quite a bit. What is Microsoft's goal here? Are they trying to make an iPod killer music player that also happens to play games? Or are they targeting the PSP market with a device that also happens to play music? With the XBox I could see how they would want to levarage that investment in a handheld device but a device like that I don't think could compete with iPods at all. In fact, it sounds like there falling into the old 'throw everything in it but the kitchen sink' trap that they've always fallen into...
For the next version of their iPods.
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As we all recall (or perhaps you have forgotten about - it was launched in October 2001 , the first version of the iPod has had its share of problems. The iPod is not at its fifth generation and has lots of features that Microsoft can either dream of at their first incarnation or implement badly.
In addition to that, there will be features that Microsoft will not implement.
- support for Apple? No way
- Calender integration with Mozilla Sunbird? No way
etc.
Plus - they need to cut deals with the record companies; Apple has already done this.
Furthermore, there are currently more than 50 million iPods on the planet. Not to count the millions of other players. So it is a very hard market to get into.
* Wireless would be nice - when it is working correctly, and noone can connect to my iPod/Argo to snoop my data.
* Games? I don't know, this would probably drain the battery life, so not for me...
And, if this is typical Microsoft quality software (and I'm not talking virii here, although this is a possibility), you probably need to restart the thingy on a daily basis (I restarted my iPod twice in one year) and there will be upgrade after upgrade.
Microsoft, you need to convince me
Mark
Will it have a Wave Motion Gun... like all good Argo's should.
On a serious note, if they can tie mobile phone service into it with games, mp3's and portable storage then it just might stand a chance of really being "One gadget to in the darkness bind them"
I'm a fiscal conservative, it's a pity we don't have a political party anymore
When MS started talking about creating simpler infrastructure, and more ellegent solutions, I got a little worried that maybe they were really in the right headspace to compete with the iPod. But now I see that those original ideals were just words, and this thing is going to be just another PSP: "It's a game device, it's a PDA, it's a video player, it's a music player, WOW!" You'd think that MS would have learned its lesson from Sony on this one, but it seems like they haven't. Their decision to make a handheld gaming system will be their biggest downfall, now they're not only competing with Apple (and Yahoo, and Creative Labs, and iRiver), but with Nintendo and Sony as well. At this point, if you manage to piss off Nintendo and Apple in the same punch, you're likely to just strengthen their unspoken alliance to the point of them officially joining forces against you, and I wouldn't want to be on the other side of that battle.
What's so difficult to understand? The two most successfull handheld entertainment devices, in their respective fields, are the iPod and the Nintendo DS. Both of these devices succeded because they were aimed at only one market, were designed to do one thing, and they did it extremely well. And because of it, they slaughtered every other competative device that tried to throw in the kitchen sink. Meanwhile, the PSP, N-Gage, and all those other little "3 in 1" type gadgets are foundering.
The first thing this device is going to kill (if anything at all), is all the iPod's competitors, which are trying to do exactly the same thing as MS is here. The irony is that these are MSs biggest allies, many of them use WMA as their primary file type, and thus have contracts with MS worked out. But there's no way that MS is going to be able to compete with the iPod, head-to-head from the get-go, these other devices stand like a helpless rank of unarmed soldiers standing just in front of the huge army that is the iPod.
Multiplayer Gaming (defined): Sitting around, discussing single-player games with my friends, at the bar.
...does that mean it's an argo-naught?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
It's not as if those games are going to make a big impact in the market. I would also be very suprised if this device ends up being a direct competitor for the DS.
Go Argos Go! Go Argos Go!
A lot of people seem to be completely missing the details of the product here...
1) Unlike Origami, MS is actually making the hardware and software here. They are not bound to the hands of a lot of crappy Consumer Electronics device makers and PC OEMs that historically make ugly hardware (and huge hardware)
2) This is coming out of the team that made the Xbox and the Xbox360. They have proven that they can write lean/mean software that just works and has pretty and good UI
3) This device is not (currently) a video game player. As pointed out above, MS is still obviously making games for the DS, and no respectable news site has stated that it plays games, just that it might at some mysterious point in the future.
4) The leaked pictures show a fairly small device with a small attenna on the top. It has some blurry UI that doesn't look like Portable Media Center software, which implies that they wrote something specially for the device to go head to head with the iPod
5) Its not just a device, but also appears to include an iTMS competitor. In light of this, it looks like they aren't going to use the horrid "Play for Sure" crap. Instead, they are doing what needs to be done. Make something that actually just works well together. Not something they somehow make work together (like WMP in general with media devices)
6) MS already has relationships with most record labels due to the old MSN music store. They also have relationships with most movie studios due to the VC-1 codec that is in both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
All in all, it sounds like MS did look at the market and realized that they had to make something that is small, is focused at just media (audio and video, no games). They also appear to be trying to innovate ever so lightly by adding WiFi and a lot of the potential that brings. One need only look at what MS did with Xbox Live and the 360 to think about what can be done with a permenant Internet connection on a Consumer Electronics device. There is a lot of potential here that if they live up to, could mean the next step in Portable Media Devices.
Worst case, MS shows what not to do with things like WiFi, then Apple comes out with the iPod WiFi and does it right.
Either way, it only benefits us, the consumer.
Just what I need from Microsoft ... yet another entry in the "It's a laptop - without the keyboard!" market.
SRSLY, PPL. Your laptop is bigger than your Nintendo DS is bigger than your PDA is bigger than your cellphone is bigger than your iPod Nano for a good reason: Each is at the minimum allowable size for which user input and output is still efficient. Creating a product with featuritis right out of the gate is not going to magically overcome this I/O hurdle. At best, it's going to sell to a frustrated subset of people who use all the devices it's meant to replace. Then it will go in a drawer.
It's happened dozens of times in the past. It will happen to this product. If it even sees the light of day (which is a valid question given MS's track record lately).
What would be great would be if it could also be a phone.
Ok, so "From the fires of Mount Doom, is this the one gadget to rule all gadgets?" gets +5 but not this?
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Wouldn't it have to be a "music player" to be an i-pod killer? This is a hand held gaming system, so of course it has a larger screen, of course it has wifi. PSP and DS have both of these but it wouldn't be considered an "i-pod killer", even if it did have a music store. This is like saying "the 360 is the same as a media PC". Yes, it can be used as a media centre, but in fact it is a game console. Marketing it as both is just that, marketing. I would still rather have devoted devices in *some* cases. I like being able to take my nano anywhere with me without having to worry about how much space it will take up. "No I have to wear a jacket on a 35 deg. c day just so I can carry my Argo/PSP/whatever in my pocket" - doesn't make sense
Too much spin/speculation, not enough facts.
I'll wait for real info, thanks.
-- "I never gave these stories much credence." - HAL 9000
At this point, if you manage to piss off Nintendo and Apple in the same punch, you're likely to just strengthen their unspoken alliance to the point of them officially joining forces against you, and I wouldn't want to be on the other side of that battle.
"Unspoken alliance"? What does this mean, exactly? I'm not remotely aware of any such thing. Have their execs, or even their employees, ever met? And if they did, did they like wink at each other, or did they sign a memo of understanding or something? Nintendo and Apple share like no interests, just competitors, and that doesn't mean anything. That's like saying Philips will ally with Microsoft due to their competition with Sony in the electronics market.
Sendou Wave Kick!!
Yeah, I'm gonna strap that to my shoulder and take it with me when jogging.
Something the size of a PSP will never ever be competition to something the size of an iPod nano.
I kinda like MS's direction with this thing. It sounds more like a PSP competitor than an ipod competitor. A lot of folks are bashing the PSP...Yeah it's selling anywhere near DS levels but it has been pretty successful in the sales department. If MS can do the PSP one better they may not have a "ipod killer" on their hands but they'll be a major player in the mutimedia handheld market.
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Someone else is doing well, therefore, Microsoft wants a piece of the action. They had their way in other markets in the past, e.g. server operating systems and web-browsers but they haven't done so well recently, e.g. virtualisation and DRM-locked music players.
Competition is supposed to stimulate markets but Microsoft's heavy hand tends to stifle the market.