I think you may be reading a litte too much into what was said. You both are saying the same thing just in a different way.
I would agree with the author in that christian groups who force their opinions on others are missing the point. As christians our role is to serve as examples to the secular world and to those whose spiritual gift it is to spread the word; they are to do so by showing non-believers the word and the word only.
You're right, to judge in and of itself is not beyond our rights as Christian per se, to condemn is...that only god can do. So for a group to say John is gay, John and Sally have premarital sex, and the wii/PSP can download porn so they are not of god (not saying this article said that) and will burn in hell, is not within the rights given to christians by god. I think that is what the writer was trying to get across.
In a billion dollar industry there is no way one console will win out. Even if Nintendo and Sony didn't sell another console this gen. No way in the world the MS's, Sony's, Nintendo's, IBM's...and any other multi-million dollar company of the world is going to cede a billion dollar industry to one company. There is too much money to be made.
IMO the days of a dominant console are over, and the days of 3rd party exclusives to one console are not far behind. IMO 10 years from now you will still have 3 leading console makers but they won't be making consoles. I forsee a gaming market where gaming capability is included with various electronics as a chipset, i.e a TV able to play playstation games or an AV receiver with Xbox capability....
I think what anonymous is getting at is remember when once a developer saw the capabilities of a new piece of tech they drooled over the possibilities rather than bitch about how much of a hassle it would be to develop for. The dreamcast was a prime example. It was tough to develop for but if you put the time in you could pull some great stuff out of it. I'm not a programmer but from a 10,000 foot level the cell looks exciting, but hey I don't have to program for it.
Seriously now, how many cartridges have you had to blow out 10 times, or tip just right in the console or throw away completely because it wouldn't work. Don't know about you but I've had quite a few. At least I know that as long as I keep it relatively scratch free my 10 year old disc will work in a PS1, PS2 or PS3.
Chris, Can you please pass whatever you are smoking over here...
"Nintendo and Sony are not the same company, and this is an example of why."
That's exactly what anonymous is talking about, this false sense that Nintendo is somehow this holier than though company of the people. Sony and Nintendo are the same company. At the end of the day they don't care about us as consumers, they care about MAKING A PROFIT period! How soon you forget that the PS3 was preceeded by the N64 with $60.00 games in 1995! Let's not even talk about sticking with Cartridges, or not including DVD playback in the gamecube, or charging $249 for basically a $99.00 gamecube with a new controller, but Nintendo cares right?
So let's not put lipstick on Nintendo's pig and pretend its a pretty girl. They care about the bottom line only just like any other company.
you're right half-life sales weren't that great...I guess they are thinking the added power of the next gen consoles will allow them to truly port the game to console owners without having to skimp on graphics and/or content to make it more attractive to console gamers.
First of all, no way Sony is going to implement this so let's get over that now. They had the tech before the PS2 and PSP, if they were going to do it they would have done it. Besides it would be suicide for the PS3.
It would seem Microsoft would be all over Sony to license this tech with rampant piracy of their software, OS, etc. Heck I don't think anybody I knew in college had an "authentic" copy of Microsoft Office. We got our hands on the disc and just copied it or passed it around to whoever needed it. This tech would have definitely put an end to that.
Awesome comparison. I agree with you they are two different systems that appeal to two different demographics. IMO they are both awesome in different ways. If you had never seen a PSP and just read some tech blogs you'd think the PSP was the Gizmondo and the DS was the greatest gaming system of all time. Thank you for posting.
I kinda like MS's direction with this thing. It sounds more like a PSP competitor than an ipod competitor. A lot of folks are bashing the PSP...Yeah it's selling anywhere near DS levels but it has been pretty successful in the sales department. If MS can do the PSP one better they may not have a "ipod killer" on their hands but they'll be a major player in the mutimedia handheld market.
It sounds pretty cool but honestly who wants to be the left tackle or the blocking fullback? Most people want to control the glamour positions, QB, WR, LB, CB....so I think his idea is impractical for football. But his idea would make a basketball game awesome!
So you've just replaced your $100 PS2 with a $600 PS3? Genius!!
"Actually my PS2 was $300"
Interesting - I didn't see any. Sega didn't have any. They were just in the Sony booth? So they had what - 4 or 5 units? That's just an engineer spending a couple of days cramming a dev kit in a plastic box.
"I can only vouch for what I saw and played" see link below http://reviews.cnet.com/E3_Sony_PlayStation_3/4660 -12331_7-6521287.html
Me too. Isn't it great? Any particular reason you haven't spent the last 6 months playing HD games then? If you're so rich why not buy all 3 consoles?
"I bought a 360 on release day and returned it recently. As I wasn't getting much use out of it, since I still play my PS2, XBox, and Gamecube. Any more questions?"
Ha, ha, you and anonymous above are hilarious. So I am a Sony plant paid to troll message boards and talk up the PS3. So what does that make 95% of the people screaming how the Wii is so great and how much Sony sucks? At least by your assertion I am getting paid for my undying loyalty.
I merely stated in my initial post my feelings on of what I have experienced first hand. It's become cool to bash Sony, everywhere you look, Sony sucks, PS3 DOA...and anybody who disagrees is obviously an idiot or a "plant" to talk up Sony. As I have played all 3 systems I was only offering my opinion. Which I think is more than I can say for many who have taken a side. I think the Wii, 360, and PS3 all have their merits, but this gen my money is going toward a PS3. Not because any of them "suck", but my personal preference this time around is a PS3. I have been a loyal Nintendo consumer since a kid, but I feel like I have outgrown them so to speak. TO ME, the games don't interest me as much and I play my Xbox and PS2 a lot more. So this time around I am going with one console.
As for the insult it was a mere response to your jab about my financial situation. I will refrain from hurting your feelings any farther...all hail (A)*(B)!0 King of slashdot and hater of all OPINIONS different from his own. I bow before thee in contrition...feel better?
My comments are in support of PS3 because I am level headed. Every company does the same stuff, Nintendo, Apple, MS, etc...they are no different. They all chase the almighty dollar is the same ways. It just so happens that Sony is the whipping boy of the moment. Everybody screams rootkit, proprietary hardware/software, etc... when it comes to Sony. They have all done the same (Windows, cartridges, the ipod itself) so what makes Sony so evil? For some insight read the reply on FCDD.
Am I a Sony fan, yep. Fanboy, nope. I like all electronics, As I said I am a early adopter of all things digital, and to me the PS3 is very exciting.
I am over Nintendo because I have owned every piece of hardware they have every produced, from the original NES to the Virutal Boy. I personally have no desire buy their products anymore I'm over it, but that is MY preference. What you choose to do with your money is your right.
As far as the means to afford it comment, that was just to highlight the high cost of the system not my own personal wealth. I will refrain from stating that I can afford something from now on as not to offend those over 30 still living in their parents basements, playing MMOG's all day, posting on slashdot to make up for their lack of female interaction. If I have offended your people I apologize.
I guess I may be in the minority but I plan to purchase the PS3 and am really looking forward to it. Sony has made some "missteps" in their marketing approach but ultimately the games will decide. For me, a non-PC gamer who is over Nintendo, the PS3 suits me. I own a HDTV and I have the means to afford it. Even if the PS3 itself sucks, it can still play some of the great PS2 games I own and upcoming PS2 titles that shouldn't disappoint, I can buy HD movies and watch until a winner in the format war is chosen. I could wait but I am a notorius early adopter.
Vaporware:
As far a vaporware, there were working PS3's casing and all, not dev kits, at E3 this year. They were in those back rooms that are reserved for industry insiders. If you search the net enough you can find some video. As a matter of fact production is expected to begin the end of July.
Graphics:
Having played all the systems at E3 and elsewhere, there is a noticeable difference between the Wii and the 360 and PS3 (not surprisingly). The PS3 and 360 are pretty close. IMO the PS3 looks cleaner and has more detail. That may sound like there is not big difference but when you consider that the 360 is on 2nd gen titles while the PS3 is running unfinished ones, I would say at the end of the day the gap is going to be very wide and very noticeable.
Unfortunately I think the PS3 will signal the second crash of the gaming industry. The playstation is THE gaming console right now, it's the industry leader and almost everybody has one. For a lot of gamers playstation is all they know when it comes to gaming, with the $600 price tag of the PS3 many casual gamers will not buy Wii's or 360s as most of us think...they won't buy anything and ultimately lose interest in gaming. Putting sales in the crapper and bringing the industry to its knees once again. Love Sony or Hate them, if they aren't at least moderately successful this gen we may all suffer.
>Quote: So are they buyin it because they like the games (which, oh yeah, like the system, don't even exist yet) or because they're one of Sony's fanboys?
They are buying based on past history. The PS2 was and is a great system. Many people are going to buy based on their experience with the PS2, and with their domination of the last generation a lot of consoles sold at launch will be sold on that and that alone.
>Quote: If MS follows through with their prediction of having 10 million units in the market before the PS3 even ships, then Sony is going to have some work to do.
Notice the word play here, "predict having 10 million units in the market" Heck MS could ship 10 million mousepads to stores and have them in the market, the question is are they selling? Stats show the 360 is moving out of stores at or below the rate of the PS2 with game sales down 10%, no matter how you slice it when you are trying to bring down Sony that's not gonna cut it.
>Quote: And you're telling me that anyone that does that is doing it just so they can play MGS4?
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...yeah, how many people bought Xbox's because of Halo? I know I did. People will buy a system for a truly great game.
>Quote: If you're really trying to say that Sony is going to win (as if it's possible for one console to win in the first place) because they've got some kind of magical game advantage (which is unknowable, since the system doesn't exist yet), then you're taking some pretty big logical leaps
Not really its called basic economics. The market leader always has a huge advantage thanks to a larger number of satisfied customers and brand loyalty (see Honda/Apple). Honda could put out a dump truck and people would buy becuase it's a Honda. Apple could put out a rubber duck that holds 20 songs and people would buy. I'm not saying Sony has that kind of brand loyalty but they have got a lot of it.
Games will be mostly the same for both consoles...true, but IMO the exclusives MGS, DMC, SOCOM, etc and the PS2 will tip the scale to Sony. How? A lot of the people buying their first PS2's now are not going to run out and get the PS3 at 500-600, But with continued support of the PS2 these people will have plenty to play and enjoy until the price drops. Which builds brand loyalty, further expands Sony's market, and endears these people to the PS3 when the price falls. MS on the other hand has all but abandoned the Xbox...alienating those who currently own one without the means to get a 360 and not allowing those curious to buy a cheaper console before stepping up to the 360 a year or two later. That may be MS's fatal mistake...who knows... but that's my opinion.
Saying the 360 wins because the PS3 doesn't "exist" might be the dumbest thing I've heard all year. That's like being a millionaire and saying I'm gonna get that new Honda Civic because the new Porche 911 hasn't come out yet.:-/
Come on, as in every console war the games will decide the winner...PERIOD! Do not pass go, do not collect $10,000, the games will decide.
If I had my guess, MS and the 360 is going to get trounced by Sony and Nintendo. Not that it is a bad system, but where are the must have games? I'm not talking about the games we slasdotters/PC gamers/techies enjoy. I am talking about games that the general public will buy a system to play. There are none, and the 360 sales figures reflect that. Beyond release day and a month after the 360 became an afterthought. Love 'em or hate 'em Sony is right in their assumption that no matter what the price the first 5 million are going to sell just because it's a playstation. MS had a chance to cut into that market with the 360 and they haven't even dented it. Myself and most everybody else will plop down their 500-600 and get the playstation. Let's be honest guys, the only reason people are complaining the price is because they know they are getting the PS3 and didn't count on parting with that much money to have one. The Wii will pick up the Nintendo fanboys and the 13 and under crowd, leaving MS with....
Their only hope IMO is to get Halo 3 out on PS3 release day or at the very least before MGS4 and make sure that it is one of the best FPS of all time. If not I don't see how they can compete in the long run. Which is sad because competition is great for us consumers.
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I think you may be reading a litte too much into what was said. You both are saying the same thing just in a different way.
I would agree with the author in that christian groups who force their opinions on others are missing the point. As christians our role is to serve as examples to the secular world and to those whose spiritual gift it is to spread the word; they are to do so by showing non-believers the word and the word only.
You're right, to judge in and of itself is not beyond our rights as Christian per se, to condemn is...that only god can do. So for a group to say John is gay, John and Sally have premarital sex, and the wii/PSP can download porn so they are not of god (not saying this article said that) and will burn in hell, is not within the rights given to christians by god. I think that is what the writer was trying to get across.
In a billion dollar industry there is no way one console will win out. Even if Nintendo and Sony didn't sell another console this gen. No way in the world the MS's, Sony's, Nintendo's, IBM's...and any other multi-million dollar company of the world is going to cede a billion dollar industry to one company. There is too much money to be made.
IMO the days of a dominant console are over, and the days of 3rd party exclusives to one console are not far behind. IMO 10 years from now you will still have 3 leading console makers but they won't be making consoles. I forsee a gaming market where gaming capability is included with various electronics as a chipset, i.e a TV able to play playstation games or an AV receiver with Xbox capability....
I think what anonymous is getting at is remember when once a developer saw the capabilities of a new piece of tech they drooled over the possibilities rather than bitch about how much of a hassle it would be to develop for. The dreamcast was a prime example. It was tough to develop for but if you put the time in you could pull some great stuff out of it. I'm not a programmer but from a 10,000 foot level the cell looks exciting, but hey I don't have to program for it.
Seriously now, how many cartridges have you had to blow out 10 times, or tip just right in the console or throw away completely because it wouldn't work. Don't know about you but I've had quite a few. At least I know that as long as I keep it relatively scratch free my 10 year old disc will work in a PS1, PS2 or PS3.
Chris, Can you please pass whatever you are smoking over here...
"Nintendo and Sony are not the same company, and this is an example of why."
That's exactly what anonymous is talking about, this false sense that Nintendo is somehow this holier than though company of the people. Sony and Nintendo are the same company. At the end of the day they don't care about us as consumers, they care about MAKING A PROFIT period! How soon you forget that the PS3 was preceeded by the N64 with $60.00 games in 1995! Let's not even talk about sticking with Cartridges, or not including DVD playback in the gamecube, or charging $249 for basically a $99.00 gamecube with a new controller, but Nintendo cares right?
So let's not put lipstick on Nintendo's pig and pretend its a pretty girl. They care about the bottom line only just like any other company.
you're right half-life sales weren't that great...I guess they are thinking the added power of the next gen consoles will allow them to truly port the game to console owners without having to skimp on graphics and/or content to make it more attractive to console gamers.
First of all, no way Sony is going to implement this so let's get over that now. They had the tech before the PS2 and PSP, if they were going to do it they would have done it. Besides it would be suicide for the PS3. It would seem Microsoft would be all over Sony to license this tech with rampant piracy of their software, OS, etc. Heck I don't think anybody I knew in college had an "authentic" copy of Microsoft Office. We got our hands on the disc and just copied it or passed it around to whoever needed it. This tech would have definitely put an end to that.
Awesome comparison. I agree with you they are two different systems that appeal to two different demographics. IMO they are both awesome in different ways. If you had never seen a PSP and just read some tech blogs you'd think the PSP was the Gizmondo and the DS was the greatest gaming system of all time. Thank you for posting.
I kinda like MS's direction with this thing. It sounds more like a PSP competitor than an ipod competitor. A lot of folks are bashing the PSP...Yeah it's selling anywhere near DS levels but it has been pretty successful in the sales department. If MS can do the PSP one better they may not have a "ipod killer" on their hands but they'll be a major player in the mutimedia handheld market.
It sounds pretty cool but honestly who wants to be the left tackle or the blocking fullback? Most people want to control the glamour positions, QB, WR, LB, CB....so I think his idea is impractical for football. But his idea would make a basketball game awesome!
So you've just replaced your $100 PS2 with a $600 PS3? Genius!! "Actually my PS2 was $300" Interesting - I didn't see any. Sega didn't have any. They were just in the Sony booth? So they had what - 4 or 5 units? That's just an engineer spending a couple of days cramming a dev kit in a plastic box. "I can only vouch for what I saw and played" see link below http://reviews.cnet.com/E3_Sony_PlayStation_3/4660 -12331_7-6521287.html
Me too. Isn't it great? Any particular reason you haven't spent the last 6 months playing HD games then? If you're so rich why not buy all 3 consoles?
"I bought a 360 on release day and returned it recently. As I wasn't getting much use out of it, since I still play my PS2, XBox, and Gamecube. Any more questions?"
Ha, ha, you and anonymous above are hilarious. So I am a Sony plant paid to troll message boards and talk up the PS3. So what does that make 95% of the people screaming how the Wii is so great and how much Sony sucks? At least by your assertion I am getting paid for my undying loyalty. I merely stated in my initial post my feelings on of what I have experienced first hand. It's become cool to bash Sony, everywhere you look, Sony sucks, PS3 DOA...and anybody who disagrees is obviously an idiot or a "plant" to talk up Sony. As I have played all 3 systems I was only offering my opinion. Which I think is more than I can say for many who have taken a side. I think the Wii, 360, and PS3 all have their merits, but this gen my money is going toward a PS3. Not because any of them "suck", but my personal preference this time around is a PS3. I have been a loyal Nintendo consumer since a kid, but I feel like I have outgrown them so to speak. TO ME, the games don't interest me as much and I play my Xbox and PS2 a lot more. So this time around I am going with one console. As for the insult it was a mere response to your jab about my financial situation. I will refrain from hurting your feelings any farther...all hail (A)*(B)!0 King of slashdot and hater of all OPINIONS different from his own. I bow before thee in contrition...feel better?
My comments are in support of PS3 because I am level headed. Every company does the same stuff, Nintendo, Apple, MS, etc...they are no different. They all chase the almighty dollar is the same ways. It just so happens that Sony is the whipping boy of the moment. Everybody screams rootkit, proprietary hardware/software, etc... when it comes to Sony. They have all done the same (Windows, cartridges, the ipod itself) so what makes Sony so evil? For some insight read the reply on FCDD. Am I a Sony fan, yep. Fanboy, nope. I like all electronics, As I said I am a early adopter of all things digital, and to me the PS3 is very exciting. I am over Nintendo because I have owned every piece of hardware they have every produced, from the original NES to the Virutal Boy. I personally have no desire buy their products anymore I'm over it, but that is MY preference. What you choose to do with your money is your right. As far as the means to afford it comment, that was just to highlight the high cost of the system not my own personal wealth. I will refrain from stating that I can afford something from now on as not to offend those over 30 still living in their parents basements, playing MMOG's all day, posting on slashdot to make up for their lack of female interaction. If I have offended your people I apologize.
I guess I may be in the minority but I plan to purchase the PS3 and am really looking forward to it. Sony has made some "missteps" in their marketing approach but ultimately the games will decide. For me, a non-PC gamer who is over Nintendo, the PS3 suits me. I own a HDTV and I have the means to afford it. Even if the PS3 itself sucks, it can still play some of the great PS2 games I own and upcoming PS2 titles that shouldn't disappoint, I can buy HD movies and watch until a winner in the format war is chosen. I could wait but I am a notorius early adopter. Vaporware: As far a vaporware, there were working PS3's casing and all, not dev kits, at E3 this year. They were in those back rooms that are reserved for industry insiders. If you search the net enough you can find some video. As a matter of fact production is expected to begin the end of July. Graphics: Having played all the systems at E3 and elsewhere, there is a noticeable difference between the Wii and the 360 and PS3 (not surprisingly). The PS3 and 360 are pretty close. IMO the PS3 looks cleaner and has more detail. That may sound like there is not big difference but when you consider that the 360 is on 2nd gen titles while the PS3 is running unfinished ones, I would say at the end of the day the gap is going to be very wide and very noticeable.
Unfortunately I think the PS3 will signal the second crash of the gaming industry. The playstation is THE gaming console right now, it's the industry leader and almost everybody has one. For a lot of gamers playstation is all they know when it comes to gaming, with the $600 price tag of the PS3 many casual gamers will not buy Wii's or 360s as most of us think...they won't buy anything and ultimately lose interest in gaming. Putting sales in the crapper and bringing the industry to its knees once again. Love Sony or Hate them, if they aren't at least moderately successful this gen we may all suffer.
You make valid points let's break it down
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So are they buyin it because they like the games (which, oh yeah, like the system, don't even exist yet) or because they're one of Sony's fanboys?
They are buying based on past history. The PS2 was and is a great system. Many people are going to buy based on their experience with the PS2, and with their domination of the last generation a lot of consoles sold at launch will be sold on that and that alone.
>Quote:
If MS follows through with their prediction of having 10 million units in the market before the PS3 even ships, then Sony is going to have some work to do.
Notice the word play here, "predict having 10 million units in the market" Heck MS could ship 10 million mousepads to stores and have them in the market, the question is are they selling? Stats show the 360 is moving out of stores at or below the rate of the PS2 with game sales down 10%, no matter how you slice it when you are trying to bring down Sony that's not gonna cut it.
>Quote:
And you're telling me that anyone that does that is doing it just so they can play MGS4?
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...yeah, how many people bought Xbox's because of Halo? I know I did. People will buy a system for a truly great game.
>Quote:
If you're really trying to say that Sony is going to win (as if it's possible for one console to win in the first place) because they've got some kind of magical game advantage (which is unknowable, since the system doesn't exist yet), then you're taking some pretty big logical leaps
Not really its called basic economics. The market leader always has a huge advantage thanks to a larger number of satisfied customers and brand loyalty (see Honda/Apple). Honda could put out a dump truck and people would buy becuase it's a Honda. Apple could put out a rubber duck that holds 20 songs and people would buy. I'm not saying Sony has that kind of brand loyalty but they have got a lot of it.
Games will be mostly the same for both consoles...true, but IMO the exclusives MGS, DMC, SOCOM, etc and the PS2 will tip the scale to Sony. How? A lot of the people buying their first PS2's now are not going to run out and get the PS3 at 500-600, But with continued support of the PS2 these people will have plenty to play and enjoy until the price drops. Which builds brand loyalty, further expands Sony's market, and endears these people to the PS3 when the price falls. MS on the other hand has all but abandoned the Xbox...alienating those who currently own one without the means to get a 360 and not allowing those curious to buy a cheaper console before stepping up to the 360 a year or two later. That may be MS's fatal mistake...who knows... but that's my opinion.
Saying the 360 wins because the PS3 doesn't "exist" might be the dumbest thing I've heard all year. That's like being a millionaire and saying I'm gonna get that new Honda Civic because the new Porche 911 hasn't come out yet. :-/
Come on, as in every console war the games will decide the winner...PERIOD! Do not pass go, do not collect $10,000, the games will decide.
If I had my guess, MS and the 360 is going to get trounced by Sony and Nintendo. Not that it is a bad system, but where are the must have games? I'm not talking about the games we slasdotters/PC gamers/techies enjoy. I am talking about games that the general public will buy a system to play. There are none, and the 360 sales figures reflect that. Beyond release day and a month after the 360 became an afterthought. Love 'em or hate 'em Sony is right in their assumption that no matter what the price the first 5 million are going to sell just because it's a playstation. MS had a chance to cut into that market with the 360 and they haven't even dented it. Myself and most everybody else will plop down their 500-600 and get the playstation. Let's be honest guys, the only reason people are complaining the price is because they know they are getting the PS3 and didn't count on parting with that much money to have one. The Wii will pick up the Nintendo fanboys and the 13 and under crowd, leaving MS with....
Their only hope IMO is to get Halo 3 out on PS3 release day or at the very least before MGS4 and make sure that it is one of the best FPS of all time. If not I don't see how they can compete in the long run. Which is sad because competition is great for us consumers.