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The 360 - Online, Japan, HD-DVD
Lots of tidbits about Microsoft's next-gen console floating around this week. On Monday, the company revealed that almost 60% of 360 owners are now using Xbox Live. GameDaily discusses what is making their setup so dang popular. Major Nelson's Sunday podcast included a lot of details on the 360's approach to HD-DVD. HD Beat has the rundown on what was said, including the inevitable Sony smack-talk. Finally, Gamasutra has a feature on the 360's position in Japan. A group of analysts debate whether or not the system even needs Japan in order to be a success. From this last article: "I don't think that American gamers are enamored [with] Japanese product because it comes from Japan; rather, I think Americans like good games, regardless of the country of origin. Microsoft doesn't need Japanese development to succeed in the U.S.; it needs good games, period."
Yeah americans do like good games as opposed to games from a particular country. But you'd be foolish to think that a game developer familiarity with their countrymen's likes and dislikes doesn't help sell games in that country. US games developers are generally more in tune to the US game market, and Japanese Game developers are generally more in tune with the Japanese game market. Microsoft might not need Japanese developers to sell more consoles in the US but it's pretty clear that they'll need them to sell more consoles in... Japan.
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I am totally with the "good games". Now, I don't games as much as I used to, mostly because of the lack of time I have in my life now. But the little time I do have, I find myself trying to decide which game sucks the least. I'm not going to get into details about liking game X or thinking its better than Y. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I'm finding quite a few games that are hardly entertaining anymore. On the other hand, I've been playing the crap out of my NES/SNES rom stash. I think its time for a GPX2.
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I totally agree with you, I posted an article that said Sony is still the most trusted/best hardware based on a survey, Microsoft didn't even show up on this list (it was a survey by the way). I submitted it with a half-decent write up that I even spell-checked... guess what, Zonk was on the job and it was rejected meer seconds after I hit submit...
He could have only had time to see the title, see it was something good about Sony and hit reject... wellcome to MSFUDot.org the #1 domain for all of you Microsoft FUD needs...
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I agree... doesn't *everyone* have Silver by default? This just means that 60% of 360 owners have it hooked up to the internet, right? I wouldn't mind knowing how many are putting down money for it. Either way, Gold is a good bargain if you want to play online. MS just needs more Co-op / MP games worth the $5/month.
Perhaps, the 360 and PC get more posts because they actually exist in the hands of consumers. I'm sure the upcoming console from (insert favorite console mfg. here) will get more play when people actually are actually holding one in their disfigured-from-years-of-controler-gameplay hands.
On an unrelated note, what in (deity of choice)'s name is a FUD?
My rantings, only longer and with better spelling..
Yeah, Japanese developers will definitely be needed to move consoles in Japan. But it is likely that some of those games developed for the Japanese market while not finding success in Japan, might find it in the U.S.. So Japanese development could potentially be of more benefit in the U.S. than in Japan. This may especially be the case, if the PS3 does ridiculously well in Japan despite the very high price. But what I am I saying? Wii will absolutely pwn everything on both sides of the Pacific, right?
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I even spell-checked... guess what, Zonk was on the job and it was rejected meer seconds
Mere seconds. I'm not a grammar nazi but since you said you took the time to spell check and all...
What the other game companies do right is have localized divisions so that content developed for one region, like Japan, can be adapted for another region, like the United States. Even if the appropriate translations could be done properly back home, having that separate division is a show of respect for the market the company is competing in. Conversely, not having it shows an arrogance that only serves to drive customers away. Microsoft has set up an image of not really caring about the Japanese gamer, and it will take much, much more than a few Japanese game designers to change that image.
"osake no hou ga, biiru yori ii" to omotteiru.
On each one of these stories that is not really a story, apply the "zonked" tag (click on the little triangle next to tags). At the end of the year we can all search for "zonked" stories and have a good laugh.
On this story, my main beef would be the HD-DVD link doesn't really talk about the 360 HD-DVD support at all, it's just general information about the HD-DVD format.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The 360 may not need Japanese developers.
I as a game buyer certainly do, as without games like Ico or Katmari Damacy I'd hardly want to own a console.
So while at the same time as the 360 is proclaiming it only needs American ports of PC WWII games to survive, I am hoping the previous news I have read about PS3 region coding for games is true and America and the US are in the same region, so we can import some japanese games directly without modding the console.
In fact, is not Team Ninja from Japan? Who could honsetly say the 360 would be as popular as it is without games from them (like DOA)?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
FUD is an acronym that, fully expanded, is Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
It is used to desribe situations where people will write things that technically are true but blown way out of proportion in order to scare other people into going along with their latest and greatest idea. (ZOMG XBOX SUX! IT EETS BABIES!!! WE MUST BOYCOTZORS TEH MICRO$UCK!!!)
(disclaimer: i don't like the 360 or microsoft. they are both ugly, overrated giants that blow way too much hot air for my preferences)
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Why ask American analysts about the Xbox in Japan when you could ask some actual Japanese people? They have games journalists over there, how about getting their opinions?
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I am glad you are able to understand what I meant. Though purely for language translation reasons, they may wish to divide the north and the Deep South. :-)
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I kept hoping (and still do to some extent) that as the game industry grew, the percentage of games offered in both Japan and the US (among other regions) would increase. This seemed to be true for a while when more and more games had simultaneous releases in different regions and when I started to see more random Japanese games on the market. For MS to think that it doesn't need a Japanese market seems like the start of a slippery slope to me. What if Sony starts to think that they don't need the American market much anymore? That seems ridiculous, but if US$600 isn't too much for most of Japan so the PS3 sells well there while it fails to sell in the US, it becomes more plausible.
As someone who loves RPGs, that thought is as scary to me as MS giving up on the Japanese market is to avid Japanese 360 owners.
I know that I'm being pessimistic and at the moment, most of this isn't true anyway, but its still a little disappointing to hear.
I picked up a xbox360 shortly after launch, of which I was excited about the aspects of XBox Live. I signed up for the free 30 day trial, which converted into a full account after the 30 days if it's not canceled.
I plugged in my credit card and my xbox live gold account was activated. About 2 months later I started getting errors on my login when I would turn on my xbox360. I remembered my wife having lost her debit card, the bank re-issued new cards to us and that the information on the card was changed and I need to go back and re-activate my account with my new card. I tried through the xbox360 interface and kept getting an error message, but I was told by a friend that I would probably need to just do it from online.
So I went to xbox-live and signed in, and added in my new credit card and immediately (without asking), I was charged $15 for 2 months of service that was missed (Fair enough), my balance was $0 though and I still couldn't login to my xbox-live account. If I used a service, I don't have a problem paying for it. This wasn't Microsoft's fault my debit card was reported stolen.
It took a lot of searching, but eventually I found the 800 number and called customer service. I was promptly in touch with a live person after a few menu choices, with almost no wait. Now at this point, I was starting to get a little annoyed as the whole thing seemed like a strange run-around for what I would perceive as a common problem. The person on the phone immediately told me that my account was cancelled due to non-payment, and even after explaining the situation he told me that though my account is in good standing that they where not able to re-activate my account and if I wanted to have an xbox-live account I would need to create a brand new account. I had started to get frustrated at the situation and articulated to the customer service rep how I felt about the policy of perma-locking an account after a default on payment. Despite the non-malitious nature of the situation, I was shocked that they would refuse to re-activate the account. The person on the phone kept repeating "Sir, you have to see this from Microsofts point of view.. you missed 2 paymenhts", which only upset me more.
This was INCREDIBLY frustrating as anyone who has a xbox-live account would understand that there is a potentially large time investment and how frustrating this situation would be. I have many friends that have my old xbox live account added, all my 'accomplishments and gamerpoints' (the way xbox tracks your success as a gamer) would be gone. It would be similar to having a World of Warcraft account that after a lapsed payment is locked or deleted, never letting you back in unless you bought a new account and gave up all your progress in the game.
After this experience, I refuse to pay for xbox-gold membership (Silver is free, and this would of never happened had I started with a silver membership). And I would STRONGLY warn anyone who is considering either upgrading to a gold account, or buying a new xbox 360 and getting a new xbox live account to consider that it's very possible and likely that you will have your account locked and be forced to start over with a new xbox membership.
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Did the GPX2 guys finally come into GPL compliance? If not, please don't buy one. It may not be their fault, but it is their responsibility.
Personally, I play old school games on my Xbox - my excuse was that buying it cost Microsoft money. But anyway... :)
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WOW so like americans who play games that reflect american culture, europeans like to play games that reflect their culture? WHO THE FUCK WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT?
That was the whole point of the article dipshit.
The AC was pointing out that Europe - which MS does need, and indeed was expecting to win with the XBox - probably prefers Japanese games over American games, and THAT'S why MS needs Japanese developers. Actually, though, I'm curious as to why the AC claimed European game development was weak - the UK is pretty damn important as far as games dev goes - Number 3 after the US and Japan (Don't forget that GTA is a British game from a British studio. A lot of the PS3 footage has been British (or European) too - Heavenly Sword for instance)
Incidentally - having read just read the article - the first analyst is a total tool. The problems MS are having in Japan have nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with the fact that the Japanese don't play the games that MS have been releasing over there. The launch line-up for the 360 was fucking depressing, for instance. They made the same mistake in Europe with the original XBox, which was made worse by the fact the price was way too high, and never really recovered from that.
From TFA:
"I don't think that this is [Microsoft's] fault. They have tried as hard as they can to succeed, but cultural bias has precluded success."
Now, I'm not saying that it's easy to make a name for yourself in the Japanese market. However, it's hardly impossible. One need only look at the success of Disney and the iPod in Japan to see that foreign companies can do well. It takes more than "trying hard", it takes trying right. If a brick wall only 3 feet across were laid in Microsoft's path, they'd bang their head into it until it crumbled rather than walk around it like sanity dictates. Microsoft may have touched on things they need to do to capture the hearts of Japanese gamers, but they certainly haven't shown they understand well what they should be doing.
The unfortunate truth these analysts dance around is the long term problems Microsoft faces if they can't make inroads into Japan. If Nintendo and Sony are allowed to repeatedly capture the Japanese market with no contest but each other, they will both have an unchallenged supply of resources to combat Microsoft with on American and European soil. If Microsoft can only fight on the defensive their only hope is for the Japanese market to dry up, leaving Nintendo and Sony without their reserves. Unfortunately for Microsoft, Nintendo has done a decent job of revitalizing the Japanese market. With both Sony and Nintendo having records of previous US market dominance, Microsoft NEEDS to be able to take a significant portion of Japanese marketshare or they will eventually lose by attrition.
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The AC was pointing out that Europe - which MS does need, and indeed was expecting to win with the XBox - probably prefers Japanese games over American games, and THAT'S why MS needs Japanese developers.
Then that AC was probably pulling things out of his butt because EA Sports games regularly top the sales charts here while japanese games rarely even enter them (except for the Gamecube sales charts but I don't know when the last time was that system got a new game).
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
The EA Sports games that top the sales charts in Europe aren't the same that top the charts in the US - and plenty of Japanese games have done well in Europe. We Love Katamari is maybe the obvious exception of a game that failed, but things like Space Channel 5 or Shenmue (I'm reaching back a bit I'll admit) did far better in Europe than in any other territory. The Resident Evil games do well as well, and the Devil May Cry games. Or are you trying to claim that Madden is bigger in Europe? Music games even - Music games have been fairly sucessful in Europe for a long time, too. If you're going to quote sales, make sure you use the UK charts, as that's where more than 1/2 the games in Europe are sold. NFL topping the charts in, say, Finland means fuck-all in the scheme of things.
What the hell are you talking about?
Where to go to apply a tag to a story - other people seem to have figured it out OK.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
That seems ridiculous, but if US$600 isn't too much for most of Japan so the PS3 sells well there while it fails to sell in the US, it becomes more plausible.
The question is more along the lines of, is $500 too much for most japanese gamers? For that's how much the base unit is. And despite the japanese prediliction for technology there is not much about the $600 PS3 model that is $100 more compelling, especially so since $500 is still rather expensive and I'd rather have that $100 go towards games than a media card reader for my camera (which I would never use on a console).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Europe doesn't buy Madden but they buy FIFA 200x. Different game, same EA.
If you're going to quote sales, make sure you use the UK charts, as that's where more than 1/2 the games in Europe are sold.
The problem is that the territories aren't homogenous, what sells in the UK may be a total flop in the rest of Europe or some game sells everywhere except the UK. The UK charts aren't representative of the entire market.
BTW, UKers buy Sonic like mad.
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And we often love them here too.
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Yeah because the DS Lite I have in my hands sure isn't in my hands. That, or I'm not a consumer.
"The way we can tell it's C# instead of Haskell is because it's nine lines instead of two." -- wadler
you can play a ps1, ps2, psp and presumably a ps3 fine without ever needing to connect it to anything outside of the occassional wall outlet and tv. "phone home"? either you're being sarcastic or you have one hell of a tin foil hat collection at home.