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Technology And The Decline of Gonzo Journalism

johnny maelstrom writes "Pitchfork has an article on how being unable to write about technology has dumbed-down the media. It's quite interesting to see that the formulaic writings in the technology media and the assumption that we don't all get it has lead to a stagnant media. They call for the next Bangs or Thompson and a revival of Gonzo. From the article: 'They [the audience] want a tastemaker, a voice of authority, who can put it all in perspective and knock our heads together with his or her crazy-yet-dead-on arguments. But I think I've found the answer: We don't have a new Bangs or Thompson yet because pop culture today is primarily a technology story. And we don't know how to write about technology.'"

215 comments

  1. I'd do it. by AltGrendel · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If I could write.

    And if they could read.

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    1. Re:I'd do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >If I could write.
      >And if they could read.

      I think more importantly is "And if they WOULD read."

      The media in North America has been dumbing down the masses for years. Being stupid equates to be being popular in school.

    2. Re:I'd do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I wish people would learn that "lead" (pronounced "led") is a METAL. The past tense of "lead" (pronounced "leed") is LED, pronounced "led"!!!!
      DAMN! There's a lot of ignoranuses out there (Those would be "ignorant assholes")

    3. Re:I'd do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      idiot

    4. Re:I'd do it. by ajnsue · · Score: 1

      Is there an analogue somewhere for Zappa's comment about music critics? "people who dont play writing for people who dont read" Are popular journalists today "... people who dont understand technology, writing for people who dont bother to understand technology"

    5. Re:I'd do it. by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      The actual Zappa quote:

      "Definition of rock journalism: People who can't write, doing interviews with people who can't think, in order to prepare articles for people who can't read."

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    6. Re:I'd do it. by ajnsue · · Score: 1

      thanks - couldnt google that thing for the life of me. Maybe we need to reference the "Dancing about Architecture" qoute as well. Using technical references to comment on popular culture is like humming about calculus.

    7. Re:I'd do it. by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      "Writing [Talking] about music is like dancing about architecture."

      Evidently that one is not attributed with certainty to Zappa...see here.

      Still a great quote though.

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    8. Re:I'd do it. by smvp6459 · · Score: 1

      I think, at least in terms of HST, the most important issue is the pressing nature of the topics...for instance: Nixon, Watergate, and social repression. Another point to consider is the importance of the writer's point of view; HST not only wrote about society and politics but came from and continued to write about sports throughout his career.

  2. But Hey... by zxaos · · Score: 1

    This shouldn't come as a surprise to *anyone*. We've known this for a long time.

    1. Re:But Hey... by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      I dunno. I think Sessler and Webb do a damn good job on video games.

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    2. Re:But Hey... by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      oh please... They wouldn't know a real video game if they were playing one.

      If anything Leo from the Screen Savers was the best tech journalist I've ever seen. He took tasks and tech well beyond my own knowledge and explained it in terms simple enough that even my one step away from computer illiterate mother could understand without much of a problem.

      If you gave him a segment on a Today Show or Good Morning America I guarantee you'd start seeing computer literacy levels rising throughout the country.

    3. Re:But Hey... by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, what's good ol' LaPorte doing nowadays?

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    4. Re:But Hey... by zxaos · · Score: 1

      They're ok. But they're not popular enough to make that much of an impact. This is more a systemic problem than a problem that can be fixed by pointing at one or two people and saying "Hey, look at them". Granted, they, along with LaPorte, are probably among the best. I find Sessler and Webb tend to bash the game in their review and then give it a decent star rating anyway.

  3. Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What rubbish. Too many people with arts and media degrees pontificating about what they *think* technology should be.

  4. HST's classic article by hotspotbloc · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a must read: "The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved". Personally I blame the decline on the lack of good drugs. =)

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    1. Re:HST's classic article by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2

      Oh, there's still plenty of good drugs out there. (John Dvorak should be proof of this.) Maybe even new and different kinds. What we've lost is expense accounts. Can you imagine a reporter for cnet covering Comdex and ordering a case of Wild Turkey and a crate of grapefruit from room service these days? Neither can I. And you can't even see the bats, let alone fend them off, if you don't lay down a base of Wild Turkey and fresh grapefruit juice. How many tech journalists bother to drive to Comdex, rather than fly in?

      The closest thing we have to gonzo journalism is Penny Arcade, on occasion. I'll leave it to the reader to decide which is Steadman and which is HST. If only those boys would drop acid at e3. If only they had the balls.

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    2. Re:HST's classic article by Turing+Machine · · Score: 1

      The culture has definitely changed. Back in those days, you could drink malt liquor for lunch at work and not cause any comments, other than being congratulated on your taste, savvy, and and thriftiness.

    3. Re:HST's classic article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got the balls, where do I sign up?

    4. Re:HST's classic article by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I've got the balls, where do I sign up?

      You must be Gabe. Call me when you get to L.A. for e3 next year and we'll come up with a plan to combat dose Tycho.

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    5. Re:HST's classic article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May I respectfully inquire as to just what the hell the Hubble Space Telescope has to do writing, let alone illicit substances?

  5. that would be cool by __aahlyu4518 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "They call for the next Bangs or Thompson and a revival of Gonzo."

    I just love the muppets !!! ;-)

    1. Re:that would be cool by identity0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am trying to wrap my head around the concept of tech journalism, Hunter Thompson, and the muppets coming together...

      "We were somewhere around Redmond, on the edge of Microsoft campus, when the drugs began to take hold...

      I remember saying something like, "I feel a bit light headed, maybe you should drive..." when all of a sudden, there was a terrible roar all around us, and the sky was full of what looked like huge popups, all swooping and screeching about vi4gr4 all around us. "Holy Kermit!" I shouted. "What are those goddamn animals?!?!"

      "What the hell are you yelling about?" My attourney, who was pouring orange juice on his chest, to facilitate the tanning process, disclaimed. No point in warning him, I thought. He'll see those bastards eventually, the poor doomed bastard.

      "As your attorney, I advise you to run Firefox with the Adblock extention and put another rock of crack in your pipe. Wakka wakka wakka!!" Damn it, I thought. So that's why that rat-bastard Fozzie Bear was so calm.

      My consternation was broken once again when what appeared to be a large ergonomic office chair smashed the windshield of the convertible, a red '69 Cadillac from the rental agency. The chair bounced up, over our heads, and gracefully landed, somehow, on its wheels. My following of the chair's flight through the air with my neck nearly caused me to run into the most frightening thing I have ever seen. It may have been a monkey, or an ape, or some other type of beast, but possibly it was an executive from Microsoft. Whatever it was, it was huge, thick, and with a glare and ferocious face the like of which I had never seen. With a baboon-like intensity he was shrieking, "FUCKING GONZO!!! I'LL FUCKING KILLLLLLLL THEEEEEEEEEEEMMM!!!! DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELO..." and then it began what appeared to be a seizure, uttering gibberish at the highest possible volume like an air-raid siren and foaming at the mouth.

      "As your attorney, I advise you to run that bitch over and never look back - Wokka wokka wokka!!"

      That's right, I thought. Listen to the bear.


      May the spirits of Jim Henson and Hunter Thompson forgive me :)

  6. More like we don't know how to read tech... by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's important that people aren't sure how to interpret stories about technology. You can write an article about AOL hogging bandwidth, and while 20% of your audience scoffs at a lack of detail and your own lack of understanding, 50% of your audience doesn't understand. And rather than studying up or discussing the issue with their friends, like an average reader might do for a political or religious story, they completely lose interest.

    I think this has very little to do with not knowing how to write technology, and much more to do with the fact that it is (IMO, provably) impossible to write a tech story that is understandable to even a significant portion of the population.

    Maybe we do need a new kind of article, though. Perhaps we can display an article on the web, with a slider on the right, so readers can choose the level of detail and accuracy they're comfortable with. If they slide the indicator toward "troglodyte", then the article replaces certain nouns with aphorisms and factual statements with questionable analogies ("...a series of tubes"). If they slide it toward "industry insider", then all the technical jargon reappears and item names transform into well-known acronyms.

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    1. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although that would require quite a bit of additional work on the part of the reporter, that's a seriously cool idea. Don't waste it talking about it on here, go out and do it! It would also foster learning on the part of those who are less knowledgeable, as they can slowly slide the indicator towards insider over time as they become familiar with the subject.

      Again, kudos on a great idea.

    2. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by uioreanu · · Score: 1

      great idea; but is it worth doing it? I think the same logic applies to the article's main point: is it worth writing notifiable stories? Carefully analyzing every word and every possible implications. Create outstanding writings in a culture that doesn't react at such? hey, we're living in the long-tail blogosphere junk, would a great article/idea get the proper attention?

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    3. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by hkgroove · · Score: 1

      I, for one, would love to see a Fear and Loathing with Windows Vista or a copy of The Great Penguin Hunt as some tech books.

      In order for true Gonzo to work, we need people who do drugs that can write well and actually have some intelligence. It seems that the ones who use drugs and have an interest in computers come up with laughable ideas like that movie Pulse that I saw a trailer for yesterday in the theatre. When they guy who is trying to be all melodramatic said, "There are people in my computer," myself and probably a couple others in the theatre started to laugh.

    4. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      And rather than studying up or discussing the issue with their friends, like an average reader might do for a political or religious story, they completely lose interest.

      You must not live in the same world that I do...

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    5. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by AndersOSU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think it is impossible for a significant portion of the population to understand tech, I don't think that it is impossible for any one to understand anything. I think you are perpetuating the real problem with the media today - they think everyone is an idiot.

      Because the media caters to the lowest common denominator no on really thinks they need to learn anything, because after all, CNN can package stories about net neutrality in 2 minute segments. I personally believe that a lot of the "masses" are more than capable of understanding the issues, we just need someone to raise the bar.

      I don't think this is unique to tech either. I think we see the same problem in politics, i.e. wiretaps, and DMCA. Rather than explain the real issues, have two talking heads barking at each other. It just so happens that this gets really ugly when technology and politics merge.

      All these failings come down to one thing - money. Let's face it news is big buisness, and journalism has known for a long time that sensationalism sells papers - they, by and large, just haven't managed to preserve the noblility of their profession while selling papers. And as a result we're suffering, and the average American is more poorly informed, they're suffering, and newspaper subscriptions are falling and news segments get squeezed out for human interest, or entertainment news.

      But hey, the politicians love it. Instead of debating on the merits of, say NASA funding, they get to preach about flag burning and gay marrige.

    6. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same approach has also been suggested for improving accesibility to Websites for people with cognitive problems such as dyslexia. Newcomers to Web accessibility tend to focus on support for those who have trouble with vision or are unable to use a keyboard or mouse etc.

      See section 2: http://juicystudio.com/article/cognitive-impairmen t.php#hiding

    7. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by stunt_penguin · · Score: 1

      It sounds like your idea, (which is pretty nifty), might be implementable with XML to tag the paragraphs and javascript to control the display on the web. - a bit like the expanding comments system here on /. .... it'd be something that properly takes advantage of the web as a medium, too.

      Of course there is a large extent to which an author would need to write and rewrite the content, but that's hardly your fault, is it?

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    8. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, the first step to failure is to think that your readers are stupid.

    9. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      And rather than studying up or discussing the issue with their friends, like an average reader might do for a political or religious story, they completely lose interest.

      An average reader would lose interest in all 3, and just read about N Sync band members coming out of the closet. That's all they want to know about anyway.

    10. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1

      I'm going to do it. This is a great fucking idea! I expect Windows Vista on LSD to be an interesting experience... for those of you not in-the-know, it tends to make you pretty critical of all things man made. I don't think i can ever go to vegas again, for example...

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    11. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by ajs318 · · Score: 5, Funny

      So. I've been a penguin-shagger since before XP came out. Who better than me to test-drive the new Windows? I set off down to the local dealer to get me some supplies. Half an ounce of solid, a big bag of weed. A strip of acid tabs. A gramme of Charlie and another couple of grammes of speed. And to top it all off, a couple of grammes of Gear and a dozen valium. When I heard Kate was coming too I was worried that we might not have enough, so I asked her to bring her own stash. I also bought some more weed, ten tabs of E and some more gear. Next stop the 24 hour Tesco, for some aluminium foil and Ribena. The booze section was still open so I picked up a couple of litres of vodka. Last of all I called at the tobacconist's at the end of my street for king-size Rizla papers.

      First stop was CD time. The Microsoft operating system comes on an even-shinier-than-a-normal-CD CD. I shoved the disc into the drive and skinned up a quick bifter while waiting for my assistant. I mounted it and had a look at the files. Nothing special. I made an ISO. No copy protection. Well, that was handy. I sparked up the dube, then shut down the PC and stripped out its hard drive.

      For a job like this I figured I had better have a decent workstation, so I'd ordered an Athlon 64 4000+, with a top-of-the-range nVidia {at least there are some i-tal drivers for nVidia cards, even if they are slow; beside which, I had plenty of cycles to spare}, two gigabit ethernet ports, serial ATA, old-fashioned parallel ATA and 8 USB ports. A case positively studded with blue diodes and enough fans to change the air in a two-bed semi in an hour. CD-RW and DVD+RW drives. Plenty of DVD+RW discs, that also worked in the TV recorder I had never sent back. A no-nonsense two-channel sound card {no point having more speakers than I have ears} plumbed through several amp and speaker combos. My trusty bipolar NAD 3120 feeding homemade speakers, a Japanese MOSFET amp working into Tannoy Mercurys, and a valve amp I had had rebuilt by a firm in Cambridge, with a response flatter than a witch's tit from DC to long wave radio into some ex-BBC studio monitors. I had a 480mm flat panel LCD, 1600x1200 pixels and not a single dead one among them. All this, you must understand, was absolutely necessary for testing the system. I had already customised Debian the way I wanted it on that machine. Now I was about to abandon the operating system I knew and loved for this Windows thing.

      Kate burst through the door as I was fitting the new hard drive onto which I would install Windows. She was giggling uncontrollably. I hoped she hadn't Made A Scene. These were early days. I had the review to write, and I needed Kate to stay sane so she could keep me sane. I screwed the drive in place and attached the SATA and power cables. Then I powered the machine up.

      "What's it doing now?" asked Kate.
      "Booting."
      "Sounds like a good idea." Kate reached for the aluminium foil. "I brought us some Naughty!"
      "And I brought us some Nice."

      So we had a boot of the heroin and a couple more spliffs while Windows started installing, and between tokes I configured another Linux box with two network cards as a highly-restrictive firewall. I thought we could log every packet going in or out of the Windows box just to see what it was sending where.

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    12. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by jandrese · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The thing is, with mainstream news sources like that, their audience IS an idiot, at least with regards to that specific discussion area. If the news was talking about Dog Breeding or Wedding Planning then your average Slashdotter would be an idiot too. Well, idiot isn't really the right word, but the result is that they're completely uninformed about whatever you're talking about so you have to start at the beginning, and since you only have 2-5 minutes to talk about it, well, there's just not much room for giving people an in-depth understanding of the problem.

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    13. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by suffe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I couldn't agree more. I'd go as far as to say it should be easier to write about hings that people don't know everything these days. I have as much hubris as the next guy, probably even more, but I'm more then willing to admit that I do not know everything. Does this make an article less worth reading? No, just the opposite! If you stumble across something you do not understand then head over to google, wikipedia or your other favourite place-of-all-mankinds-knowledge. Read up on things, gain a better understanding and then read the article again. People need to start realising that YOU CAN LEARN NEW THINGS.

      This stupid status quo of knowlege needs to be booted out with other ingorant views.

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    14. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by Damek · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a difference between intelligence and education. Most people probably could understand technology, if they'd received an adequate education. But our education system has been under attack and/or allowed to fall into disrepair for so long that most people alive right now haven't the basis for using their own intelligence.

    15. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by object88 · · Score: 1

      I set off down to the local dealer to get me some supplies.

      Not to pick on you, but posts like this get under my skin. Many people seem to be under the impression that Gonzo journalism (or HST's writings specifically) were all about drugs. This is a simplification, akin to saying the Shakespeare wrote about disfunctional royal families.

      HST wrote about the "American Dream". He wrote about freedom and euphoria, and the extreme lengths people will go to achieve it. Drugs are just one mechanism, and were a prominent theme. Sport is another, as well as gambling and political power (as both aquiring it and escaping it). In general, about the high of the "win" and the depth of the "lose".

      A quick crib sheet:
      Better Than Sex (Gonzo Papers, Vol. 4)
      Hell's Angels
      Hey Rube

      Read those, and tell me that HST deserves such a one-sided characterization.

    16. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      I think you are perpetuating the real problem with the media today - they think everyone is an idiot.

      Based on the average quality of Slashdot comments rated +3 or better - the media is largely right.
    17. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by mrraven · · Score: 1

      You 100% missed the point of the article. The reason we don't have Hunter Thompson quality writers is that we stopped writing about human experience and substituted stilted writing about tech. A machine is never going to be as interesting as an intense human experience like driving through the desert high on illegal drugs. Now that's fine if we WANT to chose to write boring tech articles instead of literature. But please don't confuse that with more or less technically detailed tech articles it is an entirely different issue.

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    18. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by Roblimo · · Score: 1

      No, a great article or idea wouldn't get the attention it deserves.

      And with all the damn "major" media and book publishers being public companies now, no one is going to take a chance on writing that's unclassifiable. If you write for a living you might as well hunker down, bland down, and save your real talent and wit for private work.

      I have a collection of ideas (and some finished stories) that I keep private. They're too... strange... for today's insipid publishers and the instant-knock Web audience. Most of them are about tech in one way or another. Or about people who *create* the tech...

      Drugs were never HST's main point unless he was writing about drug experiences. His strength was a warped viewpoint. He saw and focused your attention on details you otherwise might not have noticed. Now we're all expected to write on moron level. Expositive title. Simple lede graf that search engines will pick up. Conform to style guides or get rejected.

      Maybe after I'm dead you'll see my best work. You sure aren't seeing it now.

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    19. Re:More like we don't know how to read tech... by shumacher · · Score: 1

      I like the slider idea. I think it'd be great, even for stories outside of tech. I was baffled for a day or two by the current events in Isreal and Lebanon, until I could look up some more information on the players. The news sources I follow jumped in like Hezbollah had been a recognized extra curricular club in my high school. Having the ability to move the slider to stupid would have been nice.

  7. Bloggers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    But what about all those bloggers... They all have a brilliant grasp of technology, incisive and cutting wit, literate and cultured writing and devastating sex appeal. Surely one of them will step up to the plate and deliver the technology journalism we all dream of, just like they did with political discourse.

    1. Re:Bloggers by Hosiah · · Score: 1
      "brilliant grasp of technology, incisive and cutting wit, literate and cultured writing and devastating sex appeal."

      Nice description of me, Sonny, but you forgot, "impeccible taste, balls of steel, and able to eat sawdust and shit two-by-fours at will".

  8. Stephen Glass by GMontag · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It seems like it is about time for another Stephen Glass incident in the Tech articles. The journalsts graduating now were pre-highschool (I think) when the last big one happened.

  9. A word to the wise by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Pitchfork has an article on how being unable to write about technology has dumbed-down the media.

    Now consider whether they can write about other topics, where you happen to be less capable of spotting any flaws.

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  10. Gonzo == crap by walterbyrd · · Score: 0

    Maybe it was a freash idea in the 1960s. But it got very old, very fast. After a while, a short while, you get one BS story, after another, after another. It quickly becomes pointless and tiresome.

    A publication called "Rolling Stone" used to specialize in that sort of "journalism" - maybe they still do. After a while, you don't want read anything they publish, because you figure it's all crap.

    1. Re:Gonzo == crap by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

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    2. Re:Gonzo == crap by -cman- · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gonzo is not crap. Gonzo and New Journalism were a reaction to by a society under a lot of sress following the more staid 1950's. It was fuelled by the rising tide of drugs, rock, and pop culture, and the subject matter was often those sources of social tension, the war, and famously in Thompson's case, Nixon The Crook.

      I think the reason "Gonzo" and New Journalism is so underappreciated today is two-fold. One, there is just no longer any capacity to be shocked by anything. Gonzo at it's best is shocking writing that jolts one out of a staid, or concrete mindset. But what is there left to be shocked about in 2006? I think one could argue pretty persuasively that Steven Colbert does Gonzo Journalism every night on Colbert Report. But Colbert Report is considered satire, not journalism and is largely dismissed by mainstream media. Ditto John Stewart, of course.

      The second reason for the depreciation of Gonzo is simply dilution through imitation. There are/were so many HST wannabes (including yours truly) that the style has been run into the ground. Few people know or acknowledge that Wolfe, Thompson, Terry Southern, et. al. were serious writers who worked very dilligently at the craft of writing. It all looks thrown together, but that was artifice. For example, Thompson as a young writer used to spend evenings retyping Hemingway and Fitzgerald so that he could get a feel for the words as they were laid down on the page. Few so-called Gonzo writers today are that serious about their craft.

      More's the pity. We could use some good Gonzo writing nowadays. With all the hair-pulling within and without the media and its close observers with regards to whether "objective" journalism and "journalism as usual" serves the purposes of an informed republic, how refreshing would it be to see a serious journal take the wraps off a new writer in the gonzo style willing to rip the status quo a new asshole. Giant bats are optional.

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    3. Re:Gonzo == crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Gonzo journalism is a way to take traditional journalism (which is typically shallow and ignorant) and dress it up in humor so that people don't see how crappy it is. It's a way to "punch up" journalism for the audience without actually doing any of the difficult work of making journalism better.

    4. Re:Gonzo == crap by un1xl0ser · · Score: 1

      IMHO, the best reviews on the net:
      http://www.bigempire.com/filthy

      One could draw some paralells between his style and Gonzo.

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    5. Re:Gonzo == crap by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think one could argue pretty persuasively that Steven Colbert does Gonzo Journalism every night on Colbert Report. But Colbert Report is considered satire, not journalism and is largely dismissed by mainstream media. Ditto John Stewart, of course.

      I can't find a cite right now, but a coworker and I were talking some time back and he said that he read somewhere that people that got their political news from The Daily Show were more informed than those who got their "journalism" from mainstream media.

    6. Re:Gonzo == crap by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      I think HST was a lot like the Grateful Dead. Worshipped by a small but dedicated group of fans, mostly irrelevent to everybody else.

    7. Re:Gonzo == crap by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      I think HST was a lot like the Grateful Dead. Worshipped by a small but dedicated group of fans, mostly irrelevent to everybody else.
      HST always seemed to me to be a carrier of a weirdly contagious sort of self-centered-ness, where neither he (HST) nor his fans could see past the curious myopic vision of HST himself. The best example, I think, is the book Hell's Angels. Here's this toady wierdo, shows up on his Triumph motorcycle and ingratiates himself into the biker gang. As the book progresses, HST thinks they're warming up to him and accepting him as one of their own, but any half-awake reader can see what's coming: these guys think he's a joke, and only haven't beaten the crap out of him and left him on the side of the road because his antics are still mildly amusing. It was clear to me by halfway through the book that the beating was coming, and the only person who didn't see it was that dumb bastard HST!
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    8. Re:Gonzo == crap by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      But would a true gonzo journalist clear the hurdle of political correctness?

      I know the gonzo journalist wouldn't care (heck, most of you would likely say the gonzo was non-gonzo if concerned about PC), but so many in society today don't want to offend anyone. Have we innoculated ourselves against strong opinions by raising a generation that believes that hurting someone else's feelings is tantamount to murder?

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    9. Re:Gonzo == crap by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Political Correctness was alive and well in the 60's. It just didn't have a name and the rules varied from group (as is true today).

      In some circles you'd be shunned if you suggested that pot wasn't the answer to all the devine questions, while in others you'd be shunned if you suggested it wasn't the devil's weed.

      It's really the anti-political correctness idea that's new. The concept that bad manners and hurting someone's feelings is a good thing.

    10. Re:Gonzo == crap by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      More's the pity. We could use some good Gonzo writing nowadays.

      But as you yourself said, the style's been run into the ground. Perhaps a clarification is necessary: we could use someone with the creativity and work ethic of Thompson. Just keep far, far away from his style. It's not effective anymore and it's completely ineffective for technology (as the submitter implied).

    11. Re:Gonzo == crap by suffe · · Score: 1

      On some level you might even be able to argue that this is what gonzoism (?) evloved in to. Packaged for the 5-second mindset of what is the general public.

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  11. Ignorance = cool by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a US cultural thing, look how geeks are reviled & marginalized. People expect technology to just work, with no effort on their part, and any failure in the execution of technology MUST be on the part of the technologist or the tool, never the user. People have been taught for the last 40 years that causality is just a conceit, that logic is optional, that feeling good about yourself is better than getting good grades, that fashion trumps form, and basically that brains are for losers. The able must serve the unable in our culture, so where's the benefit to being one of the able?

    My only consolation is that your children will reap the world that you've built for them long after I'm worm-food.

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    1. Re:Ignorance = cool by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The benefit of having a brain becomes obvious when you see on which side of the counter you're standing at when the phrase "do you wanna have fries with this" is uttered.

      My consolation is that I will be the one saying "no thank you", not "ok, sir".

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    2. Re:Ignorance = cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that feeling good about yourself is better than getting good grades

      While I generally agree with your post, I think this statement (on it's own) is 100% true. Grades are entirely subjective and stupid system on which to base "education." Feeling good about one's self is far more important than achieving some carved out imagine of a "good student" in the education system.

    3. Re:Ignorance = cool by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cashier: Do you wanna have fries with this?
      Me: OK, sir.

      I don't see your problem with that... : p

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    4. Re:Ignorance = cool by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Geeks are not reviled and marginalized by society. They do it to themselves, then whine about how all the other members don't respect their superiority.

      Just look at the commentary here at /.; where geeks spout about things of which they have absolutely no clue as to the facts, presented with grammar and logic becoming a five year old and yet pontificate as if they are just as accurate as they are talking about the innards of some router.

    5. Re:Ignorance = cool by Otter · · Score: 1
      It's not clear me to whether you do or don't realize this -- what you're complaining we have too much or too little of is precisely the opposite of the assertion made in the article. That "fashion trumps form" is exactly what it's calling for.

      Anyway, someone else hit it on the nose: that "gonzo" stuff was clever for maybe a year or two, decades ago. Wanting more of it is like wishing more people would wear raccoon coats and do the Charleston. Actually, I'd much rather have that than a new Lester Bangs.

    6. Re:Ignorance = cool by Chode2235 · · Score: 1

      Think it also has a lot to do with a lack of historical reference when people talk about technology.

      We seem to think that all of this great 'new' technology that we have has no social or historical reference with which to understand it in a broader scope.

      Its kind of sad, and kind of amusing considering all of the technology that we have and are using today are all products of ideas and dreams that geeks have been dreaming since ancient egypt. Do we really think that being a geek is a trait that just appeared in our time? Ancient Egypt had them, they created language; Midieval Eurpoe had themm,they created printing presses and leveraged IP to create a middle class. There are tons of lessons and substance that we can learn by studying the geeks of history, yet we choose to ignore it because we think it somehow lessens the impact of our new cool tool. (which it might when you consider your tech toy in the scope of human history rather than the ZD's "Cool Tech Toys of 2005")

    7. Re:Ignorance = cool by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      and then compare it to the "jock's" discourse..

      "duur.. i like beer n stuff huhuhuhuhuhu"..

      I think the key here is reflection and the presence of any logic whatsoever, and you can't comment on grammar and spelling, the internet tends to result in cut corners for efficiency, so you end up with "IIRCIMHOLOLOMGWTFBBQ!!!11one", but it is supposedly for a purpose, which is better I guess than football.

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    8. Re:Ignorance = cool by Frogg · · Score: 1

      yeah nowadays: ignorance = cool

      it seems to be a worrying trend even for the thinkers / those who used to be bothered to think.

      it's almost as if not-thinking has become the new black, or something.

    9. Re:Ignorance = cool by gutnor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is not like the US has always been a society of Engineer and Scientist that suddenly would turn to other interests. There have best and worst period like everywhere else.
      The majority of people everywhere in the world have always expected the technology to just work. It is only from period to period that being a scientist/engineer in a specific field has really been fashionable, mainly when a breaktrough in science produce huge impact on everyday life and for a while look like magic.
      When the magic is over, a bridge, power line, train, computer is just another bridge, power line, train, computer. Nothing to talk about.

      Science has never been intersting to the vast majority of people. Looking good, be socially respected, having power, money, women, success, ... have always been the higher is the priorities.

    10. Re:Ignorance = cool by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1
      The able must serve the unable in our culture, so where's the benefit to being one of the able?


      $80,000-$100,000 a year.
    11. Re:Ignorance = cool by Richy_T · · Score: 3, Interesting
      We seem to think that all of this great 'new' technology that we have has no social or historical reference with which to understand it in a broader scope.


      Clearly not true given the apparent urge of slashdotters to compare technology with cars.


      Rich

    12. Re:Ignorance = cool by drsquare · · Score: 1
      It's a US cultural thing, look how geeks are reviled & marginalized.
      Geeks are reviled and marginalised because they're arrogant, unsociable and boring.

      People expect technology to just work, with no effort on their part
      Yeah, it's as if the point of technology was to make things easier for everyone. Don't they realise technology is supposed to be awkward and complex, and the whole point of it is to give geeks employment?
    13. Re:Ignorance = cool by vertinox · · Score: 1

      The able must serve the unable in our culture, so where's the benefit to being one of the able?

      Being able to make the unable suffer... painfully.

      Well at least until they pay large sums of money.

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    14. Re:Ignorance = cool by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Originial poster is absolutely right! Thankfully, there is still a pretty strong/vocal minority that doesn't agree. But I was reminded of the trend just last week while listening to the radio. One of our city's most popular morning radio shows featured the DJ's bragging on the air about their lack of ability to use or understand computers. (I think it got started because the station was running an iTunes-related promotion, and these guys started in on the "What the heck IS iTunes anyway?" thing.)

      They started asking people to call in if they were "as lost as they are" with computers, and took call after call from people who were proud to announce that they couldn't figure out a thing on their work or home PC.

      I guess they thought this was entertaining... but to me, it just sounded pathetic. I mean, honestly, if you work in the mass media industry, shouldn't you be at least *comfortable* around computers? They've only been relying on them as digital cart machines and so forth for YEARS now....

    15. Re:Ignorance = cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You know that saying: "Arguing on the Internet is like competing at the Special Olympics? Even if you win, you're still a retard."?

      Well, I'm reminded of that for some reason. Even if you're the guy on the good side of the counter, you're still eating at McDonalds.

    16. Re:Ignorance = cool by penguin_dance · · Score: 1
      People expect technology to just work, with no effort on their part, and any failure in the execution of technology MUST be on the part of the technologist or the tool, never the user.

      And some geeks apparently think arrogance=cool.

      Why shouldn't technology "just work?" We expect our cars to start and function, we expect our cd's to play. Why is it somehow expected that when it comes to computers that users should know how to mount a CD drive in Linux or some such before they're worthy? If something doesn't work, is it always the fault of the user or instead bad programming? Is the user simply stupid because they can't program their VCR or is it smarter than TiVO came up with a system where the average person wouldn't miss their favorite program?

      I love all things computer, but for instance, I could care less about car technology. I just want the damn thing to take me from point A to point B. I'd be really ticked if, say, I had to change out the spark plugs every time I wanted to start the car! That's the way most people feel about technology, especially computers. They just want it to perform the job it's supposed to do. And there's nothing wrong with that.

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    17. Re:Ignorance = cool by Starker_Kull · · Score: 1

      Man, you must get invited to parties a lot.

      Hate to say it, but attitude counts for a lot. I sympathise with everything you said, but what I DO about it is different. I explain to people, patiently, NOT condescendingly, how technology works. I defend logic, casuality, and self-critisicm as being vital to our existence and experience of the universe, and that brains are fun, and that it is worth understanding the world, and worth doing something to change it. In being a living example of how a geeky person can have fun, enjoy life, and make things better, I like to belive I inspire others to do the same.

      At the end of a bad day, do I feel the same cynicsm you display? Sure. But the only thing cynics ever accomplish is to make themselves miserable. So I never let myself give into it , or indulge in self-pity for any length of time.

      I hope you were just having a bad day when you wrote this.

    18. Re:Ignorance = cool by l3prador · · Score: 1
      Geeks are reviled and marginalised because they're arrogant, unsociable and boring.

      Seriously, just look at some of the responses in this thread... "Doesn't bother me, they'll be asking me 'Do you want fries with that?'".

    19. Re:Ignorance = cool by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      "BEING IGNORANT IS AWESOME" by Anal Cunt

      I like to laugh at retards
      I like to laugh at cripples
      I like to make fun of gays
      I like to beat women

      I like assuming black people stole something
      I like assuming Jews jerk off to photos of banks
      I like assuming Chinese people can't drive
      I like assuming women are dumb cunts

      I like being ignorant
      I like being ignorant
      I like being ignorant
      I like being ignorant

      I like assuming black people stole something
      I like assuming Jews jerk off to photos of banks
      I like assuming Chinese people can't drive
      I like assuming women are dumb cunts

      I like being ignorant
      I like being ignorant
      I like being ignorant
      I like being ignorant

      I don't want to read the paper
      I don't want to see the news
      I don't want to know what is going on
      I just want to keep hating you

      Lyrics written by the John Lennon of our time, Seth Putnam.

    20. Re:Ignorance = cool by suffe · · Score: 1

      Most americans don't. ;)

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    21. Re:Ignorance = cool by ChePibe · · Score: 1

      People expect technology to just work, with no effort on their part...

      Yes, they do. This is called "good design". I shouldn't have to make a huge effort to get a computer to do what I want it to do - it should do it with a minimal effort on my part. A computer should work like a car (well... not my poor, beat up, old car... it should run reliably) - I should hop in, be able to quickly adjust it to my preferences, turn the key, and be on my way like it were second nature. I don't need to know and I don't care to know what happens under the hood, just what will happen when I press my foot down on the gas (which isn't too reliable in my car either, but I digress...). ...and any failure in the execution of technology MUST be on the part of the technologist or the tool, never the user.

      Now this I can agree with, but it goes far beyond the days of the computer - people complained about poorly made tools long before the tool of choice was a laptop. Then again, from time to time, it is the designer's screw up and the tool's fault.

      The able must serve the unable in our culture, so where's the benefit to being one of the able?

      If you step down from your high horse for a moment, it's generally a bigger paycheck, a nicer house, and a life of some fulfillment beyond reality TV and alcohol or your preferred narcotic.

      Perhaps a bigger problem, a bigger source of whining, can be found here on /. and other sites.

      I don't know how better to put it than this - The fact that you can install Linux and consider yourself to be "smart" does not make you an expert worth listening to on any other subject. Look around at some of the infantile political bantering you find on both sides of the aisle at slashdot, as people glory in their intelligence over "normal" humans because, by golly, they know how to install a router so they must have the solution to the Middle East's problems. The same people who would despise "noobs" that won't read the manual and figure it out themselves blather on and on about topics - particularly those dealing with politics - without so much as a basic understanding of history, international relations, or domestic politics. Just look at all of the "omg Big Brother!" comments, which display as little understanding of government and private sector actions as they do of Orwell's classic.

      One of the greatest failures of all civilization is an inability to admit we don't know something about a particular subject. We're driven to come up with opinions on everything - as soon as the matter is raised, no less - rather than allowed or encouraged to think about it, mull it over, and consider all sides. I believe that it is in denying this urge for instant gratification of opinion - being able to hold off, think, listen, and ponder we can get along much better. Of course, there are matters which deserve instant condemnation or praise - we cannot wring our hands over every little thing, and there needs to be some sense of "right and wrong" in a society.

    22. Re:Ignorance = cool by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Bzzzt, wrong!

  12. What about John C. Dvorak? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I consider him "gonzo."

    Beyond that, well, "gonzo" journalism was kind of a product of its time. Hunter S. Thompson, God bless him, was a completely insane drug addict with immense writing talent. His style is also very hard to emulate without ringing very false.

    1. Re:What about John C. Dvorak? by dr_dank · · Score: 3, Funny

      I consider him "gonzo."

      Since Dvorak evidently whiffs large amounts of raw ether before typing his column, I'd say the comparison is valid.

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  13. what is worth commenting by uioreanu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    probably as just many members of the techno-gizmo brain-washed generation, I can't follow the historical part of the article. However I can read the Times, and Michael Elliot and the others still create pieces worth mentioning. It's maybe a part of the "old media" that couldn't be yet digested by the junior?

    Anyway, the raised points are valid and makes you wonder: what is it worth writing about? Seth Godin (video)gives no clues, but makes you think about it.

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  14. Interesting Idea.... by Maelwryth · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I don't think he's qualified to talk about it and, personally, I'm not qualified to comment on it.

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  15. Part of the problem.... by ezratrumpet · · Score: 1

    ...is that the media puts so much pressure on "getting the scoop." Journalism contributes to the speed of society by hyping everything in the hope of discovering the next big thing.
     
    The stark reality is that all of these things - ALL of them - will be "mama's stuff" in about twenty years, give or take.

  16. as soon as you get technical, its flame on by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just look at what happens here. Someone posts anything technical, and a flame war starts. If you leave out the details, it becomes unlikely that the flame war will start, because there's not enough there to decide if the author is on the opposite side from "you" and "your" tech ideology.

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    1. Re:as soon as you get technical, its flame on by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Spoken like a true MS astroturfer. Er, a Mac Fanboy. Uh, a Linux Zealot.

      Say, what the hell are you, anyway? =)

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    2. Re:as soon as you get technical, its flame on by AndersOSU · · Score: 1

      In any forum, anywhere, but especially on the internet, if anyone talks about anything a flamewar ensues.

      For all the flames, there is however, some healthy exchange of ideas, which I would prefer over the uninformative crap the gets spewed on the nightly news.

  17. Is it a technology story indeed? by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    pop culture today is primarily a technology story

    Is it really? I think the problem is that we want it to be. Lester Bangs wrote about rock. Rock would not exist withoug electric guitar, tape recorder and analog amplifier. Could Lester Bangs fix a broken tape recorder? Was he a great critic because he understood how a guitar works? No. He wrote about rock music as a cultural phenomenon, not a technological one. I see crisis in videogame criticism precisely in the fact that there are too many technofetish geeks covering it. We read too many reviews focusing on technical details - what 3D engine was used, how many frames per second you get in given resolution, what are the system requirements etc. We read too few focusing on the storyline, character development or the background information. It's like art criticism focusing only on chemical composition of the paint used by the painter. Ever since Gutenberg, culture ALWAYS was a technology story, but what we need now are critics writing about stories and meanings, not about the 3D engines, pixels and frames per second.

    1. Re:Is it a technology story indeed? by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's no gonzo today because people aren't interested in culture. Why? The media isn't. People get their view of the world from the media and if the media doesn't present cultural nuances as an option people aren't going to know it's there, at least not in numbers significant enough to revive interest in it.

    2. Re:Is it a technology story indeed? by Hrodvitnir · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree wholeheartedly. And might I offer the possibility that this is an extension of the current climate of video games. Namely that it's becoming more and more about making it look cool and less about making a great story.

      We may even be able to expand that to a societal issue, as it seems movies are having the same problems.

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    3. Re:Is it a technology story indeed? by caudron · · Score: 1
      Is it really? I think the problem is that we want it to be.


      You had me. :) I'd almost clicked to the next story, content that you'd made a comment that put this in perspective, but something nagged at the back of my head. In the end, I think I have to disagree this time. Let me explain.

      Rock would not exist withoug electric guitar, tape recorder and analog amplifier. Could Lester Bangs fix a broken tape recorder? Was he a great critic because he understood how a guitar works? No. He wrote about rock music as a cultural phenomenon, not a technological one.


      I agree. In the past, however, the technology was an enabler/amplifier of culture. The printing press took what already existed and brought it to everyone. The tape recorder did the same. No longer did you have to be rich to do your own recording. But this is a different world.

      Technology is no longer the background noise of our culture. It is ingrained in our culture. It is a character in the play of our lives. And it is, unlike previous advances, essentially inscrutable.

      Anyone could apprehend in a casual conversation the idea of the printing press---ink and letters and all that. They understood books already. This was just a new way to make them cheaper and easier. Same with the electric guitar and the tape recorder. They knew what music was and they knew this was just a new way to amplify and record it.

      But today? Today we don't just have easiler ways of doing older things. We have new things. Instead of trying to comprehend ink pressed to page, the populus is asked to get the idea of baysian filters and tunneling privacy protocols and URIs (and they need to know them well enough to know a good one from a bad one!). These sorts of things are transforming culture in a way that has no /technological/ precedent. Add to that a general cultural move to a post-modernist worldview and you have a lot of change in a short time.

      I think it is fair to say that people cannot easily get this, cannot easily digest the new world that lay ahead still. When we still have educated people talking about the Internet as a series of tubes and people mass mailing warnings about Bill Gates offering rewards for numbers of emails sent, we can know for certain that the culture has chabged and the majority of people in it don't understand the changes.

      Huxley was right. It's a Brave New World.

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    4. Re:Is it a technology story indeed? by UnclePetie · · Score: 1

      I dunno about that. The printing press changed a whole lot about what got written (people started with novels, not just bibles, clerical records and romances for posh ladies) and I think we can all admit that the electric guitar changed music quite a lot (can't imagine a 1930s Status Quo). If you mean that people require a greater understanding of the technology to operate it now you might have a point, and I agree that the pace has certainly speeded up, but neithe of those were just easier ways of doing older things.

    5. Re:Is it a technology story indeed? by tyler083 · · Score: 1

      I agree. However it's easier to write about numbers instead of subjective ideas like stories, metaphors and symbols. That way they don't have to think, and neither do the readers.

    6. Re:Is it a technology story indeed? by I_Jonny_I · · Score: 1

      Somebody read the gutenberg gallaxy. And if you haven't... do.

  18. Several problems by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Most tech writers are unbiased, but, weather through laziness or knowledge that they'll never get caught sounding stupid, major news organizations don't even pretend to delve deeply into tech issues. They just pick a side, usually the extreme backed by the most money, and wage that side's battle.

    The other problem is most individuals' propensity to avoid delving even superficially into technology.
    They would rather remain blissfully ignorant than, say, learn how to use a mac with the same profficiency as windows, or try to understand a basic issue like net neutrality.

    The end result is media directed outright fud campaigns are swallowed whole with little criticism. This hurts public discourse on technology issues and ultimately results in laws like the DMCA.

    It's a serious problem, but its as much cultural as it is through willfull fud slinging. Particularly counterproductive is the discouragement of children asking questions along the authoritarian mentality that children are best seen and not heard, and the fact that authority figures like parents and teachers don't do enough to discourage the derision of intelligence at young ages.

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  19. Looking in the wrong places by plumby · · Score: 1

    There's not a great deal of good tech journalism in the maintream press, but I'd guess that there wasn't a great deal of good drugs journalism in the mainstream press in the 60/70s either. That doesn't mean that it's not out there.

    Look at magazines like Edge in the UK - 'serious' games journalism for serious gamers. They seem to 'get' gaming, and I rarely read an article in there that strikes me as dumbing down (and if you want Gonzo-style journalism, there's always the Biffovision or Jeff Minter columns). I suspect there's plenty of other examples out there.

    The difference is not that there's no good journalists out there, it's more likely the opposite. It's very hard for an individual tech journalist to have the same impact as someone like Thompson did when there's a thousand tech mags and a million tech blogs out there.

  20. It's out there. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the only place you'll see this kind of writing these days are sources seen as fringe by the mainstream. You could either distill the .005% of blogs with so-called journalistic value, or you could follow things like Indymedia, or to a much lesser degree the bland-by-consensus Wikinews.

    The only reason Hunter got published at all in his day was he sold media. Then as now, the elderly media corporations aren't taking any editorial interest in what they print beyond how many papers/ads/commercials it'd sell. In Hunter's day there was the old Rolling Stone magazine (not yet a totally hideous corporate parody of itself) which ate his work up as long as it sold well to its target audience of hippies, armchair revolutionaries, and other stoned people.

    Unfortunately, the things that sell the most homogenized corporate papers and magazines these days usually mention "Brangelina" picking something out of their teeth or Britney Spears drop-kicking another baby while driving. Average Joe Sixpack doesn't want to be bothered with anything more than whether his favorite useless overpaid sports team won, who his favorite useless overpaid movie stars are getting it on with, and possibly a feel-good local piece about Granny Gums Magillicuddy who turns 103 years young this week and swears it's all thanks to a lifelong diet of yogurt and aquarium gravel.

    This could well shift as more people turn to the customizable, user-publishable news sources on the Internet, but the old school are not going to leave quietly. One result of this is newspapers' web sites renaming their columnists' writings to "blogs" and setting up RSS feeds.

    1. Re:It's out there. by b1t+r0t · · Score: 1

      The only reason Hunter got published at all in his day was he sold media. Then as now, the elderly media corporations aren't taking any editorial interest in what they print beyond how many papers/ads/commercials it'd sell.

      It might also have something to do with the younger generation being less interested in print media. It's hard to sell papers/newszines to people who would rather go to MySpace, YouTube, or watch The Daily Show.

      In my own little world, there IS one gonzo journalist. His name is Matt Drudge. You can check his web site all week, then listen to him sum it all up Sunday evenings on his radio show.

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    2. Re:It's out there. by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, the things that sell the most homogenized corporate papers and magazines these days usually mention "Brangelina" picking something out of their teeth or Britney Spears drop-kicking another baby while driving. Average Joe Sixpack doesn't want to be bothered with anything more than whether his favorite useless overpaid sports team won, who his favorite useless overpaid movie stars are getting it on with, and possibly a feel-good local piece about Granny Gums Magillicuddy who turns 103 years young this week and swears it's all thanks to a lifelong diet of yogurt and aquarium gravel.
      That strikes fear into my heart. Damn you and your +5 Insightfulness.

      I still can't understand most of the voyeurism that permeates the popular (anecdotal reference, don't have any numbers handy) channels/networks such as E! and MTV2. I didn't realize how such garbage could survive until I met my roommate of last year (male), who had both offending channels on 24/7 (if it's anything, he had it on often for the background noise; his example probably skews things as he also is an avid (and stereotypical, unfortunately) WoW player, with Neopets if he can't get WoW).

      That such shows find commercial success strikes me like a dagger in the back--what has happened to our countrymen?
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    3. Re:It's out there. by hackstraw · · Score: 1


      So, were hippies as common as Joe Sixpack today?

      I don't think so.

      Trust me, there is still fringe stuff out there, but the current trend is for there to be fringe stuff that gets bought out by some big corp and then converted into a brand name, rounding off the edges, and then selling said brand name to the masses. Yes, Rolling Stone is a perfect example. To some degree, Netscape and Napster are other more recent examples. All three of these really only have one thing in common with the original -- the name.

      Also, its a bit of a misperception of people to believe that the popular dominance is new and ruining everything. There is always going to be popular, trendy crap for the masses, and there always is going to be fringe and stuff for "those in the know", and the interesting thing is how pervasive the latter lasts over the popular.

      Being a kid of the 80s and a stoner/hippie wannabe, I liked a bunch of the psychedelic rock of the 60s and 70s (and still do :), but what amazed me was my perception vs reality of the times. I was looking at a billboard to 100 or so list from that era, and the amount of crap, including stuff I either vaguely heard of mixed with the "one hit wonders" was on the top 100 list at the time, and often not the stuff that has endured and is now played on the "classic" rock channels today. Even those classic rock stations are watered down and don't go deep into the tracks and albums of many artists and other great, but not as popular artists.

    4. Re:It's out there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average joe doesn't exist.

    5. Re:It's out there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not, did you kill him?

  21. We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by sgant · · Score: 4, Funny

    We have John C. Dvorak.

    Bangs, Thompson, O'Rourke, and now Dvorak.

    There you go...no need to read any further, our borders are safe. Carry on.

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    1. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Please tell me that stink is sarcasm. Cos I don't think I could take Dvorak being compared to a real journalist - even if he was respectable, he's a columnist (writes about his own mishandled opinions), not a journalist (writes the facts).

      Still, I'd take the job. I write good tech.

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    2. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by NixLuver · · Score: 1

      I certainly won't contest your assessment of Dvorak's opinions. But a columnist does fit into the "Merriam-Webster" definition of 'journalist'; it's not just 'reporters'. And one may certainly be employed as a journalist whilst being a poor one. Obviously, eh?

    3. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're giving journalists a bit too much credit here. It's been a good while since we've had a major journalist that was interested in only the facts. I can't name one in any of the major news outlets that is concerned more with the facts than with being "the face of news". The line between journalists and comlumnists is really blurry nowadays.

      It's sad, but the reality. Now we need to get our news from 3 or 4 different sources (internet included) just to get to the facts.

      Back to the topic JCD is the closest we have... ouch.

    4. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Shame on you for putting O'Rourke in the same category as these greats. He lost his mojo when he left the Lampoon, and by shilling for a Right Wing that he clearly despises, he has become that most despicable of journalists: a Hypocritical Sell-Out. He made a good business decision and burned his soul in the bargain.

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    5. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That stink is the putrid remains of yesterdays news. I laugh at those so-called 'real' journalists: filthy soleless pigs who spew mind numbing, spirit crushing drivel, completely unable to keep pace with the rapid changes of modern technology.

      Fucking armatures. A world away form that dying breed of seasoned Gonzo journalist I call 'brother'.

      Why, I still remember those helicon days Gonzo's glory years when America was strong and red meat was plentiful. Like that time I was sent out to cover some God-forsaken modem expo in Nevada, armed only with a large hunting knife, a salt shaker full of coke and my wits.

      Sure, I might have spent two days hiding under the table of a US.Robotics stand (a slight slip of the tongue during one of my incoherent ramblings had brought me to the attention of the local Gestapo thugs), but I got the story in the end.

    6. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by ArikTheRed · · Score: 1

      Um... we need a new archetype - like Thompson - not a clone.

      If your statement was a parody, it was brilliant. If it was supposed to pass as your "style", get a new bag of tricks.

      I, for one, think that in a few years Tycho will be up to the task. He has plenty of style, now all he needs is more substance.

    7. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by hackwrench · · Score: 0

      I don't know anything about these Bangs and Thompson people, but somehow "a tastemaker, a voice of authority, who can put it all in perspective and knock our heads together with his or her crazy-yet-dead-on arguments." isn't quite what I think of when I think of a real journalist. What I think of when I think of "real journalism" is more along the lines of "just the facts".

    8. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And Cringely.

      John Dvorak and Robert Cringely. I don't think we need any more tech-Gonzos.

    9. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the salt shaker full of narcotics and the paranoid delusions of jack-booted Nazi thugs coming to get me because I'm the last free & beautiful thinker on this grey planet are all my own work.

      As for my bag of tricks; these days I have to keep it quite empty, due to my habit of getting stopped at airports by aforementioned authority addicts.

    10. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I laugh at those so-called 'real' journalists: filthy soleless pigs who spew mind numbing, spirit crushing drivel, completely unable to keep pace with the rapid changes of modern technology... Why, I still remember those helicon days Gonzo's glory years when America was strong and red meat was plentiful.

      After 'Fear and Loathing' with Johnny Depp came out, everyone started thinking they could imitate the good doctor's style with nothing more than a few colorful adjectives, a handful of insults, and really nothing much of substance to say. At least HST knew how to spell words like 'halcyon' and 'soulless' and was well versed in appropriate use of punctuation.

      By the way, HST would probably have called them swine, not pigs. Or maybe that's your subtle difference.

    11. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the topic of the article was Gonzo journalism, not "just the facts" journalism. Do a little research on HST and Gonzo Journalism (it would be nearly impossible to find info on one and not the other), you might like it/them.

    12. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by apotheon · · Score: 1

      I don't think I can agree with that characterization of O'Rourke. Possibly the most critical piece of political literature for anyone going into politics (or planning to vote) to read is his book Parliament of Whores (Copyright 1991), which he primarily wrote while he was the White House correspondent for Rolling Stone (roughly a decade after he left National Lampoon).

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    13. Re:We already have a Bangs and a Thompson by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      I may like it, but that doesn't mean it should be called journalism. I don't really think of columnists as journalists.

  22. Don't see his point by SimDarth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really don't get his point. He's writing like Hunter S. Thompson was universally accepted and Gonzo journalism was some sort of popular revolt that was loved by all. Afraid to say that it has never been like that. Honestly, can you see the average American in the 60s or 70s clamoring for a copy of Rolling Stone to read Hunter's latest? Gonzo appealed to a certain group and Thompson was seen as the greatest by THAT group. Sure, a lot of people today love good ole Hunter, but most of that is just because he's trendy these days. Sort of like philosophy classes in college... people take them so they can feel educated not because of any REAL interest in dissecting the human condition. There are plenty of good (and an extrememly small number of great) writers out there who cover different aspects of "pop" culture. However, video games are not the same as music or movies... those writers who are great video game writers will not seem like great writers to music or movie critics as they deal with totally seperate subjects. Just like Gonzo would not appeal to the average person of the 60s or 70s.

    1. Re:Don't see his point by penguin_dance · · Score: 1

      Agree..."Gonzo" journalism primarily appealed to other, wannabe "gonzo journalists." Most outside that circle wouldn't even recoginze the name.

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    2. Re:Don't see his point by Bozdune · · Score: 1

      Well, his point is that he can't see another Thompson rising out of the gaming/tech/infobabble world that he believes constitutes pop culture.

      Unfortunately, his point is nonsense, because Thompson wasn't writing about pop culture. Thompson may have written for Rolling Stone, but that had very little to do with what he was talking about. He wasn't talking about music, although he quotes lyrics of the time throughout his pieces; he wasn't talking about drugs, although he was (supposedly) reporting on them indirectly by allowing them to twist his perceptions; he really was talking about politics and real American culture.

      The reason we related to him was that we were all going through a transformation in the 60's and 70's in which government turned out to be wrong almost all of the time, and counterculture turned out to be right almost all of the time. Vietnam was wrong; we were right. The War On Drugs was (and is) silly; we were right about that, too. Politicians were (are) idiots; we were right about that one as well.

      Thompson showed us that the Emperor had no clothes. But now that everyone knows the Emperor has no clothes, how do we proceed from here? Our news programs and newspapers, fighting for diminishing ratings, are a joke. Anything sensational is hyped; nothing can be believed. The few sensible organs left are drowned out by hysteria from all sides -- and get things totally wrong themselves. Our college towns are full of hybrid-buying idiots who complacently save a few gallons of gasoline without factoring in the huge cost (environmental and real) of battery disposal when the car is junked.

      What we need is leadership, not observation. Nobody will "wake up" the average American, who still believes in staggering numbers that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for 9/11. It's just pointless. That's the same average American who supported the Vietnam War, and who believes that we can somehow legislate morality by arresting prostitutes, cracking down on illegal gambling, and criminalizing drug use -- despite 5,000 years of recorded history that should teach us, if it teaches us anything at all, that none of these things has ever been, nor ever will be, possible.

      No, the next Hunter Thompson won't be showing us how idiotic our politicians and culture really are. We should know that by now. We need the exact opposite of Hunter Thompson. We need some positive energy, and some interesting new ideas. Just for example, what if we legalized drugs?

      1) We immediately balance the Federal budget with the money saved from drug enforcement programs.
      2) We put every tin-horn dictator/rebel/warlord/gangster out of business, from Afghanistan to Myanmar to Colombia to Mexico. Let the free market prevail. Coke for a dime!
      3) We grow the finest marijuana in the world, right here in the USA. Let Phillip Morris market it for us and make some real money.
      4) Oh my goodness! The crime rate just went to zero! I wonder why?
      5) And, unfortunately, it looks like there are a lot of addicts out there who are probably going to die from drug use. Some of them are family members and loved ones. But, they'll be dead whether we legalize drugs or not. At least they'll be able to afford their fix, hold down some sort of job, put a roof over their heads, and die in peace, without robbing us every few days to support their habit.

      Too radical? Well, what we're doing right now isn't working at all.

  23. Modern Gonzo by dvhirt · · Score: 1

    A modern example of Gonzo journalism, an exciting trip around the world. Its quite well written with a flare of Hunter S. Thompson. http://www.moderngonzo.com/

    1. Re:Modern Gonzo by dino213b · · Score: 1

      Was Hunter S. Thompson a racist, like this guy?

    2. Re:Modern Gonzo by Hosiah · · Score: 1
      Sweetheart, sit down. Let's go over this one more time: writing something and CALLING it gonzo journalism automatically disqualifies it from being gonzo journalism (especially as a tribute to HST). Do you make a surrealist painting and title it "surrealist painting?" No, you call it "Still life of purple skunk and tofu on bed of nails", while making sure that nothing in the painting resembles skunk, nails, or tofu.

      Here, not to be crude, is all that gonzo journalism requires: BALLS. Hairy, sweaty, jocky, clanging balls. You have 'em or you don't. PJ O'Rourke before his liver got it's own writing career, Harlan Ellison before he became an Old Maid fussing over his mush and antiques, Gore Vidal (hollwed be his name) right now. A handbasket of others are kicking around here and there...

    3. Re:Modern Gonzo by dvhirt · · Score: 1

      How about explaining why do you think he is a racist? Instead of asking something without fundation.

    4. Re:Modern Gonzo by dino213b · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, some things are so obvious that they speak for themselves.

      Please see http://www.moderngonzo.com/mgonzo2/reports/junglek l.html

      I will cut and paste a snippet from that URL for your viewing pleasure:

      The only use I can think of is if you get up before your wake up call, and then, while using the toilet, the phone rings, and they think you're sleeping, but in actual fact, you're just, ahem, dispelling the Cosby Kids. Then you need the toilet phone.

      Please tell me if I am asking an unfounded question.

    5. Re:Modern Gonzo by dvhirt · · Score: 1

      I wouldnt find that racist, maybe a bit of a tasteless joke. Anyway its not place to defend someone else work/writings. I would inquire him directly if you feel inclined to, since Im pretty certain robin is not racist. This has gone off topic, thanks for your replies tho.

    6. Re:Modern Gonzo by dino213b · · Score: 1

      Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that you would consider that statement racist if you found yourself on the other side of that "joke". Currently, I suspect you don't..which is why you are lowering the seriousness of it. People should refrain from putting words into an author's mouth, figuratively speaking. Is this off topic? No. Here is why: you are promoting this guy as a 'Gonzo' author whom you admire. I find something terribly wrong with that picture. Do you still think that this person is a "A modern example of Gonzo journalism, an exciting trip around the world. Its quite well written with a flare of Hunter S. Thompson" ? If so, help the rest of us reconcile our differences. Explain to us why and how he's not a racist.

  24. shooting at the wrong targets by X_Bones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The author of this piece isn't looking for a great technology writer, they're looking for a great gadget reviewer. That's a huge difference. There's no way a Thompson or Burroughs or Bangs could emerge by writing about TCP packets or water desalinization. The highly specialized nature of those fields means the background knowledge needed to frame a common allegorical or metaphorical experience just isn't there.

    Maybe the reason nobody is able to discuss pop culture to the satisfaction of the author is due to pop culture itself, or more specifically its ever-shortening average attention span and its ever-increasing demand for the Next Big Thing. The fact that technical knowledge provides the objects of pop culture's current desire is entirely coincidental.

  25. Check Out James Campion by dstevenson · · Score: 1

    http://www.jamescampion.com/ Comes close to a writing style like Hunter S. Thompson. Great writer.

  26. I disagree: The changes just come too fast by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Look back. The 60s were the "pop/rock decade". For a whole decade, teenagers wanted music that was, essentially, unchanged for the whole decade. Sure a critic could emerge, maybe even one that was a teenager himself when the decade began.

    The 70s? Disco, Glamrock, and so on. And again, a whole decade was in Saturday Night Fever.

    80s? New wave, Synthpop.

    Sure, there were some counter-cultures, by-cultures, trends that went along and against the mainstream, but trends held their ground for years.

    The 90s started to change things. Trends started to emerge, get hyped up and disappear just as quickly again. And it didn't slow down in the new millenium. Quite the opposite. Things that are on top of the coolness list are just SO outdated within a few months or even only weeks.

    Who can keep pace? Additionally, what adds to the problem (for the writers, that is) is that today, more and more people detest the media hype and instead rely on "peer" reviews. What's hot on YouTube is not up to the editors of the RollingStone or some other pop culture magazine, but it's the other viewers. You could well end up with some crap video being the pinnacle of entertainment, because it is just SO crappy that it's rolled over to being cool.

    Badger,Badger,Badger, anyone...? Hey, ow, stop hitting me! Yeah, sure, it's over. Been over for LONG. The French Erotic Film is over (in case it ever started, that is), but that's today. 2 weeks of fame. MAYBE three if you're really exceptional. If you land 2 hits right next to each other, you're a star. For the month they are known.

    What critic could keep up that pace? The only thing this has to do with technology is that technology offers the means to spread it faster. The content as well as word about it, the ability to let others know about something cool you found, encountered or did. But aside of that, technology plays a minor role. It's just the development of pop culture, not something miraculously technological that pushes the writers aside.

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    1. Re:I disagree: The changes just come too fast by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For a whole decade, teenagers wanted music that was, essentially, unchanged for the whole decade.

      No.

      Top 40 hits for:
      1960
      1965
      1969

      Distance in time reduces our level of resolution just as surely as distance in space; we tend to think of recent decades as homogeneous chunks of time (and, if we go back a century or so, we think of centuries the same way; go back further, and it's millennia.) But they are not homogeneous at all to the people living in them. In the case of 1960's music, what made it an exciting time for music journalism was that it was changing so fast.

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    2. Re:I disagree: The changes just come too fast by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You consider songs spending almost a year at the topspot 'fast turnover'?

      Today, you can consider yourself lucky if you manage to be hit for a month. Then again, after a month everyone downloaded the song already, so...

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    3. Re:I disagree: The changes just come too fast by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      For a whole decade, teenagers wanted music that was, essentially, unchanged for the whole decade.

      No.
       
      Distance in time reduces our level of resolution just as surely as distance in space; we tend to think of recent decades as homogeneous chunks of time (and, if we go back a century or so, we think of centuries the same way; go back further, and it's millennia.) But they are not homogeneous at all to the people living in them.

      It's not just distance in time, but lack of experience. It certainly seems to me as if the OP didn't (as I did) live through the 70's and 80's. The 70's all Saturday Night Fever? Puh-lease. The movie wasn't even released till 1977 - and the disco phenom predates it by a year or so, tops. (Disco's as a mass phenom - they'd been around and gathering steam for a couple of decades at that point.)
       
      The same thing with 80's - New Wave and Synthpop didn't make much of a dent in the top 40 until around 1984 or so, though again - there were a few prescient spikes in the years before.
    4. Re:I disagree: The changes just come too fast by chthonicdaemon · · Score: 1

      Well, some records can spend 14 years on the charts. Does that mean both the 70s and the 80s guys like stasis or does it mean the record is damn good? Also, on a contradictory note: charts weren't the same then as now. There was a lot of bribing of record stations etc, so the real music scene was happening in clubs. You would have to club to know the cool bands, 'cos a lot of times they were bringing out records really fast, basing recorded material on club gigs (simon and garfunkle, for instance brought out about a record a year). If you read a few biographies (I recently read a Jim Morisson biography) you will realise that there were real lives being lived back then, and especially in the 60s, real angst and real search for enlightenment. Don't believe you live in any kind of 'special age'.

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  27. I saw the title of this piece... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    ... and the first thing I thought of was Ted Nugent. The second was the Muppets.

    I think Gonzo would be good journalist and commentator... certainly a lot more dignified than Dan Rather or Bill O'Reilly and a lot less shrill and cartoon-like than Sean Hannity or Katie Couric.

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  28. Extrapolation. by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whenever I see journalists talking about technology, I notice that most of the time they are completely wrong or way off the mark. When I think about it, I cannot recall any instance of mainstream media getting a technology story right. Whether it is ignorance or an overwhelming need to sensationalize, I do not know. But that is besides the point.

    If they are getting all of this stuff wrong, what are they getting wrong about topics in which I am not well-versed? Could it be that everything they are reporting is as erroneous and confused yet we take it at face value because we know little about the subject matter? I think that if you find reporting on technology to be crap, you should be a little concerned about everything else you read and hear on the news. But then, you should be sceptical regardless.

    1. Re:Extrapolation. by janzen · · Score: 1
      You might want to try The Economist , then. Despite the dry title, it's a weekly magazine that covers everything from current events to business to science and technology to the arts. (No sports, thankfully.)

      The thing I like most is that, when they write about technology, the articles are (in almost all cases) timely and accurate, written for a reader who is presumed to be not especially well acquainted with the subject at hand, but intelligent nonetheless. This makes it much easier to trust them when they write about subjects about which I know little or nothing.

      (Compare that with drivel like Time, whose shameful "Cyberporn" issue was the last I ever bought from them. Written for twelve-year-olds, and possibly by them.)

  29. Simple solution ... by jc42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We don't have a new Bangs or Thompson yet because pop culture today is primarily a technology story. And we don't know how to write about technology.

    That's why we read /. and all the other fine online tech-news sites.

    Really, this is hardly a new problem. Print journalism has long had high-quality sources of scientific and other tech news, though most of them are now online. The fact that 99% of the general public, including the mainstream media (MSM), were unaware of them didn't change the fact that good information was available to anyone at all interested. We've had weekly publications like Science and Nature for more than a century, and note that both are much fatter than Time or Newsweek.

    We do have a bit of a problem with the commercial consolidation in the MSM, which naturally goes with reducing costs by dumbing down. But anyone with access to a computer and the Net can easily spend their entire day reading good quality tech news. And that's probably where we'll find the next Hunter Thompson.

    Or maybe (s)he's already here, blogging away. Anyone got any nominations?

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  30. He's so wrong. by gorehog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When Thompson wrote Hell's Angels he went out and learned what the life of the Angels was like and he spent months doing it. Then he spent a long time writing a book that challenged people to open their minds in order to accept what he had to tell them. Why didint Thompson address videogames? I imagine he found the experience of playing Counter Strike to be too sterile and too far removed from the hum,anity of armed conflict.

    Imagine...

    So finally I've learned all the little tricks to surviving in this hellish desert village and I've just started to rack up some meaningful kills. The avatars of children and adults lay strewn everywhere with the walls painted red from the splatter of bullet impacts. I crouch down in a corner and plant the bomb when I hear a boom and the inevitable HEADSHOT. And it's over...until someone reveals to me that he'd been watching though the eyes of he who slayed me and that I had been cheated. My assailant had been using wallhacks and aimbots, prfire scripts and quick reloading tricks, speed hacks and he'd painted a dot on his monitor. What kind of rat bastard cheats at a kids game I thought? What kind of slimy son-of-a-bitch would stoop so low? I had MONEY riding on this for God's sake!

    ok, stop imagining...

    hunter Thompson saw nothing there because of the sanitized nature of the game. When you walk away NOTHING is changed. It's why I stopped playing RPG's. If I spent all the time I wasted pretending to blacksmith online ACTUALLY BLACKSMITING I would know HOW TO BE A BLACKSMITH BY NOW.

    As for music criticism? Who needs it when I can LISTEN to the album and decide if I like it.

    There is no gonzo journalism about games because games do not deserve it. Games are what you do between doing significant things. Where's the gonzo journalism about Monopoly?

    And there's ons more thing. You cannot marginalize the far left and still expect to see crazy, status-quo shaking arguments.

    1. Re:He's so wrong. by phasm42 · · Score: 1
      When you walk away NOTHING is changed. It's why I stopped playing RPG's. If I spent all the time I wasted pretending to blacksmith online ACTUALLY BLACKSMITING I would know HOW TO BE A BLACKSMITH BY NOW.
      Fucking excellent point. I hope other readers give this some serious thought.
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  31. Gonzo, please no. by gonzorob · · Score: 5, Interesting
    About 4 months before his death I was lucky enough to have a few drinks with Hunter. Whilst pecking at a slice of pizza and a handful of drinks his mobile phone starts ringing. He takes it out of his pocket, stares at it.. then just drops it on the floor

    'I hate that shit...' he muttered.

    Not a man of technology ...

    Politics , yes [sex, drugs] . Music, yes [ rock and roll]. Technology - no ..

    Not medium for gonzo journalism.

    I work for the British national press and, although it saddens me to say it, the last thing journalism needs right now is more people humping the 'gonzo' thing. There are so many kids out there who think that any thing that crawls into their ADD ridden brain is 'gonzo' and therefore worthy of print. Well, it's not. It's just verbal vomit.

    In the current media climate, what journalism needs is FACTS backed up by well researched and thought out opinion. Not ten million myspace blogs.

    Anyway, that's my 2c.

    Cheers

    Rob

    PS : in my humble opinion, Matt Taibbi [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Taibbi] is doing an excellent job are carrying on the beat/gonzo thing.. check out his article in the Stone on Iraq [http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/106871 89/fort_apache_iraq/] . It's well researched and well written..

    PPS: if this post doesn't deserve a modding up - I don't know what the hell does.. Also, my nickname was chosen years ago - before becoming a journalist. (to stop the trolls calling me a hypocrite ;) )

    1. Re:Gonzo, please no. by Scarblac · · Score: 1

      PPS: if this post doesn't deserve a modding up - I don't know what the hell does.

      In the current Slashdot climate, what you need is FACTS backed up by well researched and thought out opinion.

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    2. Re:Gonzo, please no. by gonzorob · · Score: 1

      Touché!

    3. Re:Gonzo, please no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You name-dropping, karma-whoring hypocrite.

    4. Re:Gonzo, please no. by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      Remember what is was like to go out to eat in the non-chain world? If you wanted a burger, you went to this place. If you wanted fish and chips, you went to that place. The whole blogosphere has done to media what chain restaurants did to food. There are now too many choices, and no one knows what to order. Dang! I sure wish McDonalds had stuck with burgers, fries, and shakes. No, I don't want six kinds of chicken and salads and whatnot. When I go to McDonalds, I want an artery-clogging burger. When I want fried catfish (and I'm in Chicago), I go to Fish Port. When I want an Italian Beef sandwhich near St. Paul, I go to Ziggys.

      With millions of bloggers out there, and so many of them trying to duplicate everyone else's "menu", I find it easier to ignore them all and eat in (i.e., surf, read, research, and come to my opinions--very rare these days--something like cooking from scratch).

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    5. Re:Gonzo, please no. by Scarblac · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I thought your post was good, but I was just trying to score points with the opposite, a quick funny... seem to have failed completely. Ah well :-)

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  32. Feh! by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 1

    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=27 139

    'They' just don't know where to look.

                -Charlie (who is off to Vegas, coincidence?)

  33. Summed up the best by his own words by Sathias · · Score: 1

    "One of god's own prototypes, to weird to live, too rare to die"

    Gonzo Journalism lived and died with HST, what is needed is someone to come up with something original, not copy what he did.

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    1. Re:Summed up the best by his own words by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      I agree. I think the need is not for another HST per se, but for another unique and authoritative voice.

      It's amazing...for all of the choice and diversity of opinion available on the Net, people return to wanting one person to tell them what is good or not, or what products are worthy and which are not.

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      I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
  34. I was Gonzo and I still am. by swordfish666 · · Score: 1

    I was a Gonzo writer in college. All of my papers involved drugs, the abuse of social norms and college girls. Some of my professors found it interesting and insightful writing and others were deeply offended. When ever I wrote a live music reviews for the school paper I had to write 2 versions: one was what actually happened and the other was what could be published. I really don't think that the Gonzo writing style and technology mix at all. Tech articles are about how to get things done or how someone else got something done. Gonzo, in it's true form is about pissing off the roof of society while drinking rum from a grapefruit and ranting about the injustice of government involvement in the media. So why aren't there any Gonzo writers? Be we American are so uptight about what others will think of us that we walk the center line of being a good citizen and never tell people how we truly feel. And I am just as guilty as the next person. Oh and here's a real world example: I reviewed an album by a local man-hating female singer. I then proceeded to write about how much I disliked the new album and how each song was about how much she hated men. A few months later I showed up at one of her shows to interview her and she refused to even speak with me. Oh well. Back when HST was ranting and raving people weren't so up tight and could take a joke or criticism. But today people get offended if you fart in their general direction. Pussies. Last week I had a few beers in me so I decided I'd do a port-scanning on some computers in my sub-net and the next day I blogged my adventure. And what do you know some jerk sends me an email telling me that I shouldn't do things like that because it's against the law. See Gonzo and technology do not mix.

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    1. Re:I was Gonzo and I still am. by Hosiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Jesus H. Christ! If a zombie ate your brain, it must have died of malnutrition! Look, gonzo-style journalism is nowhere near anything you're describing. Gonzo writing style has but one qualification over merely very good vanilla writing: BALLS. Big, sweaty, meaty, hairy, jocky balls. Think of Macho Man Randy Savage. Now think of him with an IQ of 250 and a couple PhD's under his belt, pounding a keyboard under the influence of nothing stiffer than an espresso to make sure he stays randy. That's gonzo. "If you have to ask, you'll never know!"

  35. Plenty of Gonzo by sesshomaru · · Score: 1
    Gonzo journalists? My favorite thing to read. Especially considering that regular journalists constantly lie anyway, while the War Nerd will tell the truth even if he doesn't like it.

    Let's see, off the top of my head, Gary Brecher, Matt Taibbi, Mark Ames or John Dolan.

    Of course, those are all eXile alumns, and one of them is probably a Nom de Guerre, but I'm sure others can be found if you look hard enough.

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    "MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
  36. I write Gonzo Journalism by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    The problem is I have to insert myself into the story like HST did. That turns people off and annoys them. Which is why Gonzo Journalism isn't that popular anymore. I write it on various forums, scoop sites, etc. I do cover technology and other things.

    While not on drugs like HST, I do suffer from mental illnesses that give me a HST type style.

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    1. Re:I write Gonzo Journalism by Hosiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You do not have to be on drugs. You do not have to be insane. You have to be a hell of a lot smarter than average to pull it off, substance abuse and insanity is then optional. You do not have to be on drugs. You do not have to be insane. You have to be a hell of a lot smarter than average to pull it off, substance abuse and insanity is then optional. How many times do I have to fucking say it? Show me the definition where it says, "You must be THIS HIGH to write gonzo style."?

    2. Re:I write Gonzo Journalism by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      Oh oh, bats, your turn to drive pig****er! :)

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  37. We were somewhere around Arakkis when the spice... by spyrochaete · · Score: 1

    I may have gotten this link from /. originally but it's apropos here - Ten unmissable examples of New Games Journalism

    These articles are written in a chronological, personal style that you might call Gonzo, though I'm not sure I'd call it all "journalism". My favourite is the insanely long but utterly fascinating account of an enormous heist in Eve Online, The Great Scam by Nightfreeze, which will be a hit with the Slashdotters. Any roaming Diggers will want to skip directly to the also well written Sex in Games: Rez + Vibrator.

    But in the end, is this the correct journalistic voice for technology? Gonzo journalism is a very human format and that may not be interesting to read when describing technology (unless the gadget works very well or very poorly).

  38. The solution will come in time... I think by Jimmy+King · · Score: 1

    Really, I think this is a multiple part problem and I believe most of the solution will come with time. Some of these have already been pointed out by others, but I'm going to re-iterate them anyway. Keep in mind, I am not saying these are facts, though they are more or less stated as such, these are just my feelings on what's going on.

    1) It's hard to write about technology. If you write about it in a way those who understand the technology will appreciate, the majority of your audience won't get it. If you write it in a way that the majority of your audience can understand, it's too watered down to actually say anything important. As has been said, perhaps this is because they're writing about the technology itself rather than the effects of the technology on society.

    2) I think problem 1 is made greater by the choices and general personalities of the types of writers. I'm going to stereotype a bit, I realize there are exceptions and varying degrees of all of this. The geek, the one who understands the technology to be able to write about it in any meaningful way, is frequently going to be more interested in writing a technical paper about it than writing something for the masses or just working with the technology rather than being a journalist. Your average journalist is not a geek and as has been said, doesn't necesarily understand the technology, many people here I think would argue that to be true even about most of the technology journalists.

    3) Older management. The people in charge of the magzines, newspapers, etc. are in the older crowd, the ones who didn't grow up with and don't necessarily understand the technology and see it all as a bunch of toys that aren't really needed. They don't want an accurate, thoughtful, article about video games or ipods or the internet because they don't understand or don't care about it. So, rather than getting good writing about it, they demand writing that will bring in money from those who give us the technology (as we frequently see dicussed regarding video game reviews).

    4) Tied to number 3 is that most of the magazines are part of "Corporate America". You write what earns the money by making your customers happy... not your subscribers, but the people who pay big money to advertise in your magazine or give you kickbacks for a good review. We all know what big corporations are about, and it's rarely gaining customers by producing a quality product.

    5) There are "hard hitting" technology journalists out there. They are writing the higher quality blogs, web comics, etc. They are not well known because they are part of the geek culture, which is still, technically, an underground scene in a sense. They are likely to stay this way for a long time due to language that is generally considered not suitable for the mainstream and talking about things most of the world doesn't currently understand or care to understand.

    I think most of this will work itself out over time. As people are growing up with computers, the Internet, and video games society as a whole will at least have a better understanding of it all, if not the understanding us geeks have. When that happens we'll see articles written to a higher level. We'll have people writing about the technology and running the magazines and newspapers that cover it that grew up with the technology and have an interest in it because it's what they grew up with rather than just because it's the next big thing to cash in on.

  39. Re:We were somewhere around Arakkis when the spice by spyrochaete · · Score: 1

    Apologies, that Nightfreeze link is broken. Here's the Google cache.

  40. Taking advice from Pitchfork? by prell · · Score: 0

    We're taking advice from Pitchfork now? In my experience, it is in Pitchfork's nature to think they hold the best opinions, and that nobody can live up to them. As soon as we have the "next Thompson," I bet Pitchfork would be skeptical and call him a sellout copycat. We'd also have a reporter who commits suicide, which I suspect is where the glamour really comes from. This is the answer?

    Gonzo journalism inolves blending fiction with non-fiction. Maybe this worked for Hunter Thompson (or maybe it didn't; I never read anything by him), but I don't want other reporters not reporting the facts.

    Pitchfork's objective is to hunt down the elusive "cool." Keep your "cool" out of my Journalism. Journalists have important things to report on; it's not all opinion pieces and record reviews for them.

    1. Re:Taking advice from Pitchfork? by cecille · · Score: 3, Informative

      Gonzo journalism inolves blending fiction with non-fiction

      In some cases, yes, Thomson readily admits to having stories that have fictional components In particular, he admitted publicly on numerous occasions that fear & loathing in las vegas was party fictional (probably because it's not the best idea to write an entirely truthful story where you admit to committing a large number of felonies).

      BUT, F&L is the exception, not the rule and it was marketed as a novel, not as a journalistic piece. HST did write things that were partly fictional, but the idea behind Gonzo journalism really doesn't have anything to do with fact vs. fiction at all. The idea behind Gonzo journalism is that no journalist can really say that they are completely unbiased about anything, so a gonzo journalist goes completely the other way and writes themselves right into the story, readily admitting and embracing bias and effectively becoming part of the story they are writing about. They aren't fictional though. This is actually something that Thomspon wrote about in some of his books and he is very adamant about it.

      More about gonzo here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo

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      ...no two people are not on fire.
    2. Re:Taking advice from Pitchfork? by GigG · · Score: 1

      Gonzo journalism inolves blending fiction with non-fiction.


      Which pretty much describes most mainstream journalism today. Whether the journalists know it or not.

      --
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  41. More accurate than you realize by NixLuver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps you meant this solely as a joke, but I think you hit the nail *right* on the head. It's something we don't like to talk about in our society, with its War On Drugs. For many people, drugs are recreational; for others, they're dangerous; for a few - like HST - they are cathartic and catalytic. For all of our history, we've sought altered states of perception for inspiration, whether it was the sweatlodge and peyote, wode, self flagellation and trance, alcohol, you name it. The shaman has always walked 'between the worlds' and come back with a perspective the rest don't see. In the case of acid - we've all encountered the old saw about "Anyone who's taken acid more than [insert number here] times is legally and clinically insane"... but the fact is that the result, for people like HST, seems to be a perspective separated from the 'norm'; a 'new view', if you will, and we experience their viewpoint second-hand, through their self-expression.

    But the WOD has been 'won'; the vast majority of the people of HST's literary and intellectual caliber are 'too smart' for drugs, and would never even consider mind-altering experiences. And if they did, they'd likely fail the piss test that every employer seems to require. It was, IMO, the common nature of altered perception that gave rise to the electricity of the sixties. Anything that follows, bereft of unique experience, must seem prosaic and boring by comparison. As Bill Hicks said - "All that cool music they made in the 60s? *real* fuckin' high!"

    1. Re:More accurate than you realize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Unfortunatly no amount of words can describe a full on trip to someone. But it basically makes you insane for a couple of hours

      A "friend" of mine has only tried DMT http://http//www.ayahuasca.com/ ayahuasca once, to help with some internal problems.

      The quote "You're so busy going from A to B that you forget the 24 letters inbetween." rings true.

      Here's an excerpt from the recorded trip:

      I don't understand. I have been living all my life under this ... bubble but now it has been peeled away.

      Why do we exist?

      What are we heading towards?

      Ah I see... Life... so fragile. It arises out of chaos, one moment to the next. In a sea of chaos we are, yet now the storm is quiet. How long can we last?

      Humans, strange creators! Like ants, they enact repeative patterns, they are blind to what's around them, just like ants. Each mind is a part of a whole!

      When a mind is extinguished returned to chaos it does ....until it arises into ordered state once again. Never ending cycle!

      So much suffering, I can feel it all! It hurts! Eternal hell, etenernal heaven, it all exists in the infinite cosmos, in this infinite chaos.

      I must respect the sancitity of all beings. They are all extensions of one being, including me.

      ...I don't want to return to chaos, I will make this one count before the next cycle. I'm scared :(

      -----------

      P.S. I'm against recreational drugs (like cocain, canabis). Though I think it's healthy for an individual to experience different mind states so they can have differing opinions on his/her current lifestyle, weather it be through music, art...

    2. Re:More accurate than you realize by hotspotbloc · · Score: 2

      "But the WOD has been 'won'; the vast majority of the people of HST's literary and intellectual caliber are 'too smart' for drugs, and would never even consider mind-altering experiences. And if they did, they'd likely fail the piss test that every employer seems to require."

      I think HST saw the same thing: "Bazooko's Circus is what the world would be doing every Saturday night if the Nazis had won the war. This was the Sixth Reich."

      America has been the Sixth Reich.

      In some areas the WoD has been held back, in every place else it's FUBAR. As a former foot soldier on the WoD in the early 80's I can easily say things are much, much worse. One time I found 10lbs of coke are thought it was the end of the world. These days it's not uncomment to find bigger packs on a weekly basis in most major cities. It's a war that can never be won no matter how much money and bullets you throw at it. We really believe our leaders when they said the WoD would be finished by 1990.

      I say lets declare victory, stop arresting users and make the WoD a health crisis. It's the human choice.

      Good comment NixLuver.

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      "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity but they've always worked for me" - HST
  42. P.T. Barnum said it best by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    "...the real problem with the media today - they think everyone is an idiot."

    In the case of Fox News it is just a matter of they know their audience.

    "You'll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American Public" - Attributed to PT Barnum

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  43. Who need them? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    Who needs the gonzo writers anyway? They served a role when access to the public was channeled through magazines, books, and tv. Now (for better or worse) anyone can put their writing on the web. It has become much more democratic. Why do I care what some guy named Hunter Thompson thinks any more than some guy ranting on "Answer Me!". Thompson became popular not just because he could write but because Rolling Stone and others published him while other potential good writers weren't. Now the web has an endless stream of writers and opinions, some better than others but that's always been the case.

    Just like cable and satellite TV knocked the big three networks from their lofty perches by giving us far more options so has the web made having only a few voices less vital. We aren't dependant on being fed by a few sources anymore.

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    It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
    1. Re:Who need them? by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      Sure, anyone can post their opinions on the web. I don't believe that is the point, however.

      Yes, we can now log on read any number of opinions from any number of "experts". We can develop our own short list of sites and blogs that we use when cultivating our thoughts. That is the benefit of the Internet, but I believe that the author would also see that as its Achilles' Heel.

      Finding a strong voice that captures the attention of many, inside and outside of the primary subculture, is something that helps bring people together. It gives them a common point of reference, a little piece of particularistic comembership, that makes it easier to establish a relationship. The other party, upon referencing this common thread (e.g., a common reviewer), immediately has a point of connection with us. Discussion may ensue, and society continues to grow based on realtionships and interconnections. [That is not to sugges that Internet relationships have no substance or value; I believe that a qualitative analysis of online friendships vs. in-the-flesh relationships would, however, demonstrate that virutal relationships cannot provide all of the same benefits of in-the-flesh relationships in many situations.]

      If you've ever viewed '50s TV and movies, there's a common housewife stereotype: the stay-at-home mom who spends much time on the phone. I believe that the Internet, for many, has simply replaced the phone as a point of connection (while acknowledging it also provides many more content channels than simple communications), just as the phone supplanted talking over the back fence or visiting someone over tea. People have not entirely abandoned any of these avenues of communication, although trends seem to demonstrate a continued (and long term) shift away from personal, in-the-flesh interactions to those facilitated remotely via phone, IM, text message, and eventually videophone and virtual presence (projected hollography). We have similarly seen a decline in the old fashioned letter now that so many use email. There are pros and cons to for each, and I do not want to dive into a specific position on any of them here...

      It is not that these points of connection are entirely absent now, but rather that the focus of these connections is less likely to be a person and more likely to be a service or technology. Instead of talking about a reviewer's column, people, whether music-philes or not, are talking about iPods. Even people who do not have (or do not extensively use) the Internet have conversations about the Web, security risks (often framed in the sense of "that's why I don't use the Internet"), or the site-du-jour (e.g., MySpace, [in its time] eBay).

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  44. How to be an Media IT expert by sjwest · · Score: 1

    1. grow beard.
    2. Wear caridigan
    3. Punch cards = how romantic
    4. Complain about stuff you have no idea about because your not bothered about doing it properly to start with

    example http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5203256.stm

    5. Profit...

  45. Another use for Slashdot by sherms · · Score: 1

    This is one of the MANY good reasons slashdot has boomed!!

    Sherm

  46. MSM aims low. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The MSM aims for the lowest common denominator. They do not aim for the top 5%, or the top 10%, or even the top 50%. They dumb down their material. They don't take risks. That's one reason why the Science Channel, Discovery Channel, and so many other in-depth channels have done so well. They're not aiming at the complete idiot.
     
    Another point: Most teachers couldn't explain this stuff to their school kids the next day well enough for them to pass tests. And if they kids can't pass tests, then the school isn't getting any state or federal funding, and school administrators won't allow that to happen. They will do whatever it takes to make sure they don't lose their funding. So, kids don't learn anything extra. And the dual-income parents don't care. They get home at 6pm, just want to eat, relax, and get ready for the next day at work.

  47. Tech writing doesn't always even appeal to geeks by fruey · · Score: 1

    I've blogged about tech stuff, like the digital cinema spec when it went version 1.0.

    A lot of readers didn't pick up much on the technical detail. Not only is it only interesting to a narrow audience (cinema fans who are also interested in digital video) but because it's reasonably boring even to a hardened geek who just doesn't happen to have gotten into MPEG standards.

    Even outside of the technical field, journalists dumb everything down to a lowest common denominator. If they're in a specialised field, that denominator might be a bit more technical than the regular press, but that's life.

    Heck, even an article with a wide vocabulary in the general press brings readership way down. A lot of people only read headlines...

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  48. Gonzo was never about the drugs by BluePariah · · Score: 1

    I have one major problem with TFA: the assumption that Thompson - and Gonzo - is just journalism about drugs. Anyone who has read Thompson beyond the copy Fear and Loathing they bought at their bong shop knows that Thompson's work was never about the drugs (Burroughs had already exhausted that boring genre). Sure drugs were there - because they had to be there - but what made Thompson great was his clarity of language and use of creative exaggeration in what a supposedly 'neutral' media. He wrote about politics, journalism, sports, and the American Dream, but rarely drugs. Most of F&L was highly exaggerated to prove a point and it wasn't that drugs were cool. It was - mostly- about the fact that the Old Generation couldn't understand the New, that there was a generation 'forever thinking that just behind some narrow door in all his favorite bars, men in red Pendleton shirts are getting incredible kicks from things he'll never know.' That is why we need another Thompson. We don't need someone to write about technology, we need someone to write about the things worth writing about and weave technology into the fabric of their work so that a new Generation can understand it. The media is still run by people who can remember a life without computers and video games. But for the new generation, that technology has always been around so don't care - they are appliances. It was the same with the drugs in the 70's. That's what made Thompson so powerful - he could write about Nixon, mad from gin, roving the halls of the White House in a way that made sense to a new generation of people. He never wrote about anything new or innovative, he just did it all in a way that made you believe he wasn't another cog in the media machine, even though at many levels, he was. All flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet.

    1. Re:Gonzo was never about the drugs by phyjcowl · · Score: 1

      Well said! And let's not forget the insertion of one's self. Is this territory that blogging has been consuming toward its endlessly obese orbit? I wonder where the article's author was searching for his non-existant writer? Perhaps he needed more exposure to a few of the appliances you mentioned. Nevertheless, I am sympathetic to the appeal for people to stand out from what these appliances deliver and present, as you say, "... the things worth reading and weave technology into the fabric..." it's just, how does such an individual stand out like that, these days?

    2. Re:Gonzo was never about the drugs by Hosiah · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, I have skimmed the comments so far up to here and you are THEEEEE ONLY person to have spoken on the subject with anything resembling a brain, and that goes double in the case of TFA! So... for your sake, I hope you only duck into Slashdot when the need is pressing, as do I. Whatever's wrong with the rest of these people, I wouldn't want to catch it.

  49. What is special about technology? by itsdapead · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This seems to assume that journalism on non-technology subjects is wonderful and, e.g:
    • Rarely makes mistakes, or simplifies a subject to the point of inaccuracy
    • Values in-depth discussion over sound-bites
    • Is concerned with facts and evidence, rather than rhetoric and opinion
    • Seeks genuine debate and inquiry rather than encouraging conflict and mudslinging
    • Asks interviewees sensible questions that they can be reasonably expected to answer clearly, and avoids accusatory or leading questions
    • Is more interested in informing the electorate than nailing ministerial scalps to the mantlepiece
    • Waits until the rubble has stopped rolling before broadcasting the number of casualties
    If you want to see the same standards in technology reporting as (e.g.) the reporting of politics then get An Industry Leader and An Open Source Guy in a studio, ask Indurstry Leader whether throwing furniture is a good management tactic and ask Open Source Guy when he is going to stop encouraging people to illegally copy software. It'll be lively, and do wonders for ratings, but nobody will learn much and technology experts will learn how to avoid answering questions.
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  50. And all this time...... by 8127972 · · Score: 1

    ..... I thought that gonzo was a porn related trend.

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  51. We already have Gonzo, his name is... by phorest · · Score: 1

    John Dvorak!

    Hunter S Thompson was no journalist, he wrote wild stories concocted from his own substance abuse. Journalists don't write "stories" they write reports in a clear concise manner following the "WWWWW" principle. [What, Why, Who, Where & When]

    Sadly, most people get pulled around by the nose with "stories" being touted as journalism. Want to make it interesting? Feature only tech stories on "Naked News" (if they're still around) and then you can have naked journalists running featurettes on the porn in IT. Now that's news!

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    God: When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
  52. End of the Line by acvh · · Score: 1

    "Gonzo Journalism" was the logical, and final, step in the evolution of print reporting. HST, and some others, attempted to expose their readers the immediacy of events. "F&L on the Campaign Trail '72" is the most remarkable work on American politics I've ever read. Thompson was able to avoid the filtering process of PR men and editors, and brought to life the actual process of selecting a candidate.

    Now, with even CNN and the NY Times offering reporters' blogs up for perusal, Gonzo has lost its reason for existence, at least in theory. If HST was hitting the scene today he'd be "The Daily Gonz", or an editor at "SlashGonz".

    The next evolutionary step in journalism is the one we don't see coming.

  53. Slashdotters know something about technology. by argent · · Score: 1
    What's special about technology is that this is slashdot and most of us understand technology. If this were an audience that had the same common level of understanding of the politics of the Middle East, or Japanese Martial Arts, we;d be complaining about how reporters covered them instead.

    This reminds me of something I wrote in 1998 after Harlan Ellison announced that there was something particularly broken about journalism on the Internet.

    I used to be a big fan of newspaper reporters. Jimmy Olsen was my hero. In contrast to television crews, newspaper and magazine journalists seemed to have the opportunity to spend the time necessary to get the facts straight, they didn't have to take a complex subject and trim it down to a thirty second sound bite.

    But you know, as time went on and I got closer to the heart of some of these stories, I found that the more I knew about the facts the less accurate the stories seemed. That made me wonder, how close to reality were the rest of the stories, the ones I didn't know anything about?
    -- Harlan Ellison versus the Crazy Yenta Gossip Line
  54. I can do it by Robstafarian · · Score: 1

    My perscription drugs are already as much as I'm willing to put up with (muscle relaxers don't play well with others), so maybe I'd be more Animal than Gonzo ("Gonzo" comes naturally to Animal). Where do I sign up? Who wants to hire me?

  55. Car analogy warning! by LunaticTippy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If people dropped $20k on a computer, paid $1k/year insurance (covers spamware, etc), and paid thousands if anything serious went wrong with it, had it serviced 4x/year and took it in for a quick "fill-up" of patches and antivirus every week I bet they'd "just work."

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    Man, you really need that seminar!
    1. Re:Car analogy warning! by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      There's no way I'd pay 20 grand for a computer.

      Unless it's got spinners.

  56. Burton MacKenZie .com - technical comedy writer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    adding one more tech orientied internet writer to the pile, Burton MacKenZie at http://burtonmackenzie.com/ often writes about technical material, usually with some comedy to help digest it. YMMV

  57. It's probably good... by InfraredAD · · Score: 1

    If "the media" doesn't know how to write about technology, that's probably a good thing. I'd rather them not have the knowledge than have something like the equivalent hype and constant screaming of say, Fox News or MSNBC on the TV... I'm not mentioning those two channels to flame them, just that I'd rather have what is written to be straight forward.

  58. Blacksmithing by sir_montag · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Real life blacksmithing is incredibly fun. I started out when I worked at Philmont. I even made my own knife. It's really not that hard. There's a bit of a learning curve, but as long as you know someone who's done it before and can answer questions when you have them, it's not hard at all.

    (Flickr set of all my Philmont photos)

    1. Re:Blacksmithing by gorehog · · Score: 1

      Hey, I just saw your response and you are right, real blacksmithing is fun.

      When I was a kid my Dad and I built a forge out of a brake drum, some 3" cast iron pipe, and an electric blower. I never got it to run cool enough to be really useful (I usually just burned away most of the mild iron I had).

      I was a Boy Scout back in the day, never made it to Philmont, but I spent many summers at Ten Mile River in Upstate NY. Always heard Philmont was beautiful though.

    2. Re:Blacksmithing by sir_montag · · Score: 1

      Indeed it is. You should check out New Mexico if you can - it's worth it.

  59. Gonzo garbage by Abrax · · Score: 1

    Gonzo journalism is a catch word for lies and half trues about things they don't know to make money and NOW it catching up with them as fun technology and real media shows their true colors

  60. Gonzo is gone by Sqreater · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's just not possible anymore. I've been an adult in the pre-internet, pre-tech-explosion world and the post. And I'll tell you this: that world is gone, never to return. The outsider who has an overview is a thing of the past. The massive communications and tech explosion that started in the 70s and accelerated thereafter every year has added so many layers to the onion of life that no one can possibly pull it all together, even in the superficial sense of clever and entertaining social commentary. He won't understand enough to do so, and the audience is so fragmented now that he would be unintelligible to most if he could. The burden of knowledge needed to be "in the know," or "in on the joke" is just too great. In a world in which generationalism is dead due to the many different choices that can be made withing a group of people of the same age, how can you say any generally understandable truth about society or technology? Does such a thing exist any longer? I don't think so. Your truth and insight is not mine is not his. We live on our couple of thin layers of the onion of life now and feel fortunate if we can reasonably understand those.

    Don't continue to look for some journalistic messiah to pop up to "make sense" of it all.

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  61. Tech journalism will improve... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When tech journalists stop regurgitating press releases and actually engage in some real journalism. 'nuff said.

  62. Quality by Troutrooper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ah, the pitfalls of a consumer-driven economy. We don't care who's writing the news, we just want to know. Quality is tertiary to primacy and radicalism. And most people simply stop at primacy, the first article they read is all they want to know about the subject.

    Someone mentioned the lack of tech understanding, and I think that's another big reason for the lack of good tech writing. How many tech journalists can discuss at length and in depth the difference between AAC and mp3 file formats? Or the advantages of DDR RAM? Game critics seem to spend too much time gaming and not enough time practicing their trade. I've never read a game review that delved deeper into the technology driving the game than a general description of the gaming engine; quick! what are the distinguishing characteristics of the Unreal 3 engine? You may not use google. Of course, none of this matters as the average person doesn't know what those terms mean, and won't read jargon-filled articles. Article A comes out first and uses little jargon, article B comes out later and uses some jargon. Guess which article gets read.

    At some level, people understand how technology is changing their lives. We see it everyday. As the article said, "Technology is the province of geeks, a sterile, above-board, carefully marketed phenomenon; drugs are underground, illegal, and risky." We know what we're getting into when we buy a new computer, but have no idea what imagines and planes of existence we'll encounter with this new acid formula. No journalist is going to take home an Alienware machine and achieve a higher state of consciousness through it (well, maybe with an Alienware machine, but not the standard PC). The plainness of technology ensures that articles will be bland, and that people will look to primacy and radicalism before quality: people won't seek out great tech articles just for the reading as they'll already know what they want to know.

    All of this assumes people want to read articles for reading's sake. In fact, most people read reviews to see if they should buy tech gadget #1192 or #1193. They're searching for information, not pleasure reading. Unlike with drugs, which the average person can't obtain and thus experiment with, technology is available to anyone with a decent cash flow. I'd rather know quickly if something's worth buying then play with it myself than read about someone playing with it.

  63. Daily Show viewers better informed by extra88 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The survey didn't say Daily Show made them better informed (about the 2004 presidential campaign), just that they were better informed that people surveyed who did not watch The Daily Show. It's definitely correlation, not causation. People who watched any late night comedy show (Leno, Letterman) were also better informed but not as informed as Daily Show watchers.

    I don't get Comedy Central right now but I love both Daily Show and Colbert Report. I would say they inform me of issues in a way similar to scanning headlines does.

    Daily Show Viewers Knowledgeable About Presidential Campaign, National Annenberg Election Survey Shows [PDF]

    Google HTML version

    1. Re:Daily Show viewers better informed by hackstraw · · Score: 1


      OK, my memory is now refreshed.

      Yes, I realize that correlation does not mean causation, but correlations are worthy nonetheless.

      Humor is generally believed to be a part of healthy and balanced individuals.

      Also, TDS and late night comedy programs are watched by younger, more open-minded kinds of audiences.

      I've also heard of comedians and people that write for and host such shows as late night ones express their responsibility to their audiences because they often have to some degree an influence on their social and political outlook on life.

      I could be ignorant/paranoid here, but I'm under the suspicion that main stream media is more concerned about ratings and $$$ over social influence.

  64. flawed thesis... by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    80s? New wave, Synthpop.

    The 80s came in with disco, had a huge dose of hard rock/heavy metal/glam metal/pop hard rock and turned to new wave and then past that to alternative & "college rock" (REM, U2, etc.) and a subcurrent of industrial and dance industrial.

    I'm not as familiar with the 70s, as I was a lot younger then. But the early 70s had folk, the Beatles and the leftovers of the summer of love. The middle 70s moved to guitar rock and black R&B (Earth, Wind and Fire FTW) and then the later 70s were dominated by disco and other electronic stylings.

    Even the 50s had the simultaneous popularity of crooners like Sinatra and rockers like Jerry Lee Lewis.

    I think you just see the past as homogenous becuase you didn't live through it.

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    1. Re:flawed thesis... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ok, not really homogenous (allright, there were a lot of different music styles), but longer lived. Rock made it from the 50s all the way to the 70s, with adaptions and changes, but it was nothing as radical as the break from Synth to Techno. The change was gradual, a few changes here and there and some influence borrowed from a few other streams, but the pace was very different.

      And I dunno 'bout you, but disco was BIG here in the middle/late 70s and almost extinct with the advent of the 80s.

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  65. pop culture is a tech story? by bryan_is_a_kfo · · Score: 1

    I thought it was a war story right now.

  66. Get this asshole! by Hosiah · · Score: 1
    One thing I can guarantee, this Chris Dahlen better be bought with one pint of Mad Dog 20/20, because he's not worth two. How ironic that an article that reads like a third grade almost-English essay ("Where they hell did they go?") is asking "Where have all the good writers gone?"

    And the bonus-round jackpot answer iiiisss: "Not behind your desk, Mr. Dahlen!" But rest assured, the counter-culture press is thriving like a pot-garden in South Central. You just go back to ignoring it and we'll do fine! And I'd be careful bandying Hunter S.'s name about with such wanton ignorance. Hunter may be miles above you on a cloud in Heaven, but the man always had damn good aim.

  67. Not to worry by TerryOutOfWork · · Score: 0

    Gonzo journalism was a fluke of Thompson's genius. It'll be back when there's another great writer in the papers.

    Mark Twain was gonzo in his day...

  68. Re:Why should we want more of that tripe? by alfs+boner · · Score: 1
    Hunter S. Thompson's style definitely wasn't for everyone, but he's got more to show his "wow dude, I go out and take tons of drugs," than a crappy sourceforge page.

    :)

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  69. Sounds Like A Challenge by beringreenbear · · Score: 1

    Writing isn't all that hard, though doing it while fronting a day-job will make it interesting. My problem is that I won't be able to write bleeding-edge reviews. All the stuff I can afford (and have a taste for) is a few months to a few years old. The real issue is venue. We've passed the age of 'zines. And Blogs won't really work for this. We need good old-fashioned paper publication. Something suitable for reading while making your ears bleed with an iPod at eleven on the subway. Rolling Stone should step up and see if they can do something with this. Not a "regular feature", but a bizarre and off-the-wall featurette that gloriously bathes in product placement and craptastic subject matter.

    Question is... will it happen? Probably not. It's just too Boomer-esque to explain video games and tech as the drug of a new generation.

  70. If You Did As Much Acid As He Had Done.... by Black-Man · · Score: 1

    You wouldn't be able to even pick up the cell phone to answer it! The guy was into LSD for like 20 years!!! Did you ever read his books???

  71. Good riddance by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

    "Gonzo journalism" isn't. When one mixes fact and fiction, the result is fiction. By definition, journalism is " the style of writing characteristic of material in newspapers and magazines, consisting of direct presentation of facts or occurrences with little attempt at analysis or interpretation."

    Too many so-called journalist twist facts and inject their own baises into stories. The result is not journalism but rather propaganda.

    This world could use some real journalism.

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  72. Stephen Glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    eot

  73. Well I've never been accused of being sub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well spotted, give yourself a silver star. I also used the word armatures when I meant amateurs.

    As for "soleless", I was implying that they're into some kind of kinky verruca fetish which involves walking around wearing shoes which don't have any soles. Why they would do this is beyond me, but then again, who knows what atrocities these people are capable of?

  74. Opinion, please no. by rickwood · · Score: 1
    In the current media climate, what journalism needs is FACTS backed up by well researched and thought out opinion. Not ten million myspace blogs.

    It's funny you say that. Over the weekend I saw the Tom Brokaw piece about global warming. While some of the information in that program was fact-ish, it was hard to pick out the actual facts for all the opinion around them. What I really want from my news is just the facts and to how many decimal places. I don't need opinion.

    I'll go even further and say that in this day and age it is a journalist's sacred duty to present the facts just as the are, trying their damnedest not to allow their opinion to seep through. People don't have the time and the resources to go out and do the research necessary to understand a situation and find the facts for themselves. Rightly or wrongly, we trust journalists to do so for us. Reasonable people don't need to be told what to think.

    It is my belief that far too many people never hear the facts, only factoids designed to reinforce the opinion that the media outlet already presented. This happens on both sides of just about every controversial issue. One side's opinion is that global warming is already happening and we're doomed. The other side says there's no proof of global warming and everything is fine. They both have purported facts to back up their opinions, and clearly they can't both be right. Now instead of having the necessary facts to make up my own mind, I have to decided who's opinion I'd rather trust, or would rather back if I'm looking at it from a purely political-economic viewpoint, as some do.

    Especially in the US, people seem to pick up more on the lies and innuendo than they do on any actual facts. A talk show host says, "The economy is booming!" No concrete evidence supporting this statement is offered, beyond a few carefully selected factoids that back the host's position. It is repeated daily for weeks, even months. When I speak to people who listen to the show, and ask them about the economy, more often than not I get the exact works of the host repeated back to me. Even if the person isn't doing well financially, they still say, "The economy is booming!"

    So, please, journalists, keep your opinions to yourselves. Those of us who's aren't journalists don't have time to parse the facts out of your opinions any more than we have time to seek out those facts for ourselves.
  75. it is one sided entertainment by genevaroth · · Score: 1

    it really boils down to the fact that- these things are distractions and who wants to write about games.

    Would it still be mind blowingly interesting and a timely comment if hunter wrote about the game operation, and critiqued it? No. Would an baseball game on a online role playing game ever make sports news? NO. Never. Why? Because when you shut of the computer or the internet breaks down. You are still you, and most likely you are alone. There are no collective consciences that will be meaningful in real life learnt from an online game experience.

  76. Dvorak isn't the voice of the zeitgeist by Cryptimus · · Score: 1
    Dvorak's a cranky commentator but I'd hardly call him a voice of taste. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the guy's style, but the article talks about a voice which captures and/or defines the zeitgeist and I can't see Dvorak doing that any time soon.


    The problem is simple. Tech is specialised. In some niches it's insanely specialised and those who think it's a matter of underestimating the average reader are in cloud-cuckoo land. The average reader couldn't give a flying fuck about your jargon, your OS wars, your graphics card zealoutry, your free software vs proprietary arguments or anything remotely similar. What they're concerned about is the experience itself.

    And that experience is at the surface level. At the direct interface between the device and the user. The problem with tech people is that because they see the inner workings of the magic, they presume that other people also care about the inner workings. Wrong. Only fellow tech people do.

    Tech commentary feeds a tech audience. If a commentator wants to reach the majority of the people, he has to dispense with caring about the tech wizardry. It gives depth to his understanding but it also gets in the way of communicating with people who simply don't care about the details.

    It's not a matter of dumbing it down, it's a matter of focusing on the experience itself. When dealing with his IPod, does the average consumer care that he's used 4,147,232,232 bytes out of 5,368,709,120 available?

    Fuck no! All he cares is that his IPod is about 80% full and he can probably fit another 300 songs on it. That's operating and communicating on the level of utility and experience. When someone finally gets with the program and starts relating tech to people at the user experience and impact level, then we've got potential for one of those voices to emerge. Until then, a lot of tech writing can probably be viewed as a bunch of intellectual masturbation.

    1. Re:Dvorak isn't the voice of the zeitgeist by shog9 · · Score: 1

      Nice. In one short post, you summarize everything that need be said on this topic.
      Pack it, stamp it, ship it, we're done.

  77. I'd do it. - /. editor deleting posts again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /. editors miss the issue that gonzo journalism is not journalism at all but just historical fiction abet set to recent events.

  78. Gonzo tech? Try Bruce Sterling. by doom · · Score: 1
    You want to read gonzo writing about technology? Try Bruce Sterling.

    The author of the article, however, is not really interested in "technology", he's really just a gamer dork, and he's having trouble grasping the idea that maybe the heavy, cool, intelligent, ground breaking writers are saying a lot about gaming because they think it's trivial bullshit. Bruce Sterling, for example, has spent a decade or so trying to deal with global warming. Can someone here say with a straight face the world would be better off if only he was reviewing computer games?

  79. It's hard... by hicksw · · Score: 1

    As Isaac Asimov demonstrated, writing clear entertaining informative articles about science and technology is possible, but it is HARD. Even for a genius like him.

    We may have to wait a while for another IA or HST to come along.