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Defining Clicks and Click Fraud
abb_road writes "Google, Microsoft and Yahoo have banded together and created the Click Measurement Group, with the goal of creating a standard definition for a 'click'. The group will have some access to the three companies' click data, although the access won't be unlimited. The move comes in response to advertisers who claim that click fraud is costing them almost $1 billion dollars a year, and who have hit Google and Yahoo with lawsuits alleging negligence in fighting click fraud."
Now only if we could join together to detect dupes...
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I never caught this the first time around.
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...something that is not a clack...
And once they define what exactly constitutes a "click," they'll collectively go on a rampage against amazon.
This guy's the limit!
Google, Microsoft and Yahoo have banded together and created the Click Measurement Group, with the goal of creating a standard definition for a 'click'.
Maybe afterwards they can put their noggins together and standardize what the definition for "is" is.
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You seem to not click enough. Would you like me to click a little for you ?
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In Firefox, right click on the link, click on `Open Link in New Tab'.
Do this to many links that appear like they're counted.
Wait for the page to load (don't view it!).
Right click on the tab. Click `Close Tab'.
Congratulations, you have just ``clicked'' according to their definition. You also have just cost a site some $$ (and made some $$ for Google/Yahoo/Microsoft).
Advertising rocks!
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I have no idea. Umm how did I get here?
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former President Clinton. :P
That's rich, advertisers are trying to sue for negligence and fraud. What's next, wives accusing their husbands of having a vagina?!
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... that WGA will also check for legitimate clicks ?
You may be a victim of click counterfeiting.
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Forget clicks... parent poster still needs to learn to use the keyboard before I'd trust him with a mouse.
There is no mod option "-1: Disagree" for a reason. "Overrated" is not an acceptable substitute. Post something instead.
How grave a concern is click fraud for advertisers?
There's a host of stuff out there that concerns marketers that needs to be cleaned up. It includes impression measurement, it includes click measurement, standardized contracts, so you know for us it's all a big picture of stuff that in order for the maturing of the medium needs to be done. And how big a deal is click fraud? We don't like anything that would give marketers concern, especially if it's a solvable problem.
Translation: We've got a lot of stuff to sift through, which we haven't even started on yet. But it's ok, 'cause the results would only scare people unnecessarily. ANd we don't want that
Advertisers say the search engines haven't done enough to combat fraud.
Search produces results. End of story. It produces results. My guess is that these advertisers would like to see any concern that might seep into the view that their management has, or anybody else. Because they know in their heart of hearts that this really works. It's in everybody's interest to clean this one up.
Translation: We haven't actually asked. We just kinda assumed it's a problem.
What exactly have the search companies pledged to do?
We're going to go forward with developing click-measurement guidelines that will address at a public level all the sort of subsidiary issues of that, which includes fighting globally invalid clicks and also click fraud.
Translation: We had a few ideas scribbled out on a cocktail napkin... but we lost it when one of the associates spilt her apple-tini all over it.
Did Yahoo!, Microsoft, Google, and others involved promise to give you unlimited access to their click data?
They have committed the time, the energy, the resources to see this through to a final industry guideline--one that's accepted by not just themselves, but by agencies and by marketers and by the advertising industry overall. Does that mean that they would bring to bear some data and other insights? Absolutely. Could they still have proprietary solutions of their own? Yeah, stuff that might be protected by their own (intellectual property), but they have committed the resources to help.
Translation: First, the asked who we were, then they laughed at us, then said absolutely not. We're coming up with some sort of backup plan though. :(
Media need to operate with transparency. There's marketers and agencies who are paying money for things. They need to know, what are they paying for? What does that look like? What is the standardized way in which that's being counted? And also ultimately, is that audited? Can we validate that (using a third party)? And so, in an industry that is now going to be close to $16 billion this year, it should be relatively obvious that we need to operate with the principles that all media operate under.
Translation: Ok, we just came up with our contingency plan: if we keep asking, and some point they'll have to say "yes", right?
What's the timeframe for creating the click-measurement guidelines?
I've learned through experience with standards I never make a commitment to timelines. It took us 14 months to do the ad-impression guidelines, which is kind of the last big one that we did. We don't really know what we don't know at this point. We could come to a conclusion and say "Geez, we're pretty close. There aren't any outside data--let's get it done." Or we could say, "Hmm, I don't think we're comfortable with that issue, let's dig deeper."
Translation: We have no idea.
What bodies will be involved in auditing, using your definition?
That will be really up to the industry to define that, so in the process of developing measurement guidelines we'll also be developing audit guidelines. That's how we did it in the impression guidelines, so I fully expect to do the same thing.
Translation: We're waiting for
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All three companies involved do so because it is beneficial to their image to be seen fighting click fraud, even though they know that the recommendations for eliminating it will be useless - it's a technology battle, and it will escalate. No matter what the recommendations are, they won't do much to stop persistant abusers of the system. But, on the other side , it doesn't matter.
The real solution here, as usual, is the free market. Advertisers will decide where to spend their ad budget, and they either think this is a problem or not. The solution will boil down to convincing these (probably technologically savvy) ad people to buy ads. That's why having a standard is useful - it looks good. And judging by Google's profits, corporate wallets are voting yes to online ads. If click fraud was a real problem, they wouldn't.
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I can guarantee that their definition of a "click" is going to favor the bottom line of Google/Yahoo/MSN and make it even harder for advertisers to get their money back on fraudulent clicks.
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I have the impression that right now, click fraud is fought using statistical criteria to identify real and fake clicks. If you publish a definition of what is a real click, the definition has to be very good and clever, so that fraudsters cannot simply write code that generates fake clicks that satisfy the definition.
This article is actually an interview with someone involved, and brings up substantially more issues than the previous post.
Not that Zonk, out wonderful poster, noticed this, as we can see from the fact that it isn't mentioned in the post.
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Once the Signal-to-Noise ratio on this site gets 1:2, I will leave.
That is all.
Thank you.
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Jesus, Buddah and Mohammed all got together to come up with a final, good definition of what it takes to get into heaven.
I did, however, swap its story ID into the reply URL from another one, and load the reply box directly. Yay for fraud!
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just stop charging for click and start charging for impression.
In tv or newspaper they pay for the impression of the ads not from people going in the shop.
If it's that much of a problem, work out on average how many (legitimate) clicks generate a sales lead and pay that much more for actual sales leads generated instead of per-click. Then the whole problem of click fraud goes away (And gets replaced by sales lead fraud.)
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This smells suspiciously like Phillip Morris' anti-smoking campaign. Yeah, yeah, mouse clicking don't give you lung cancer.
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It's about time that geeks banded together and formally defined what a clique is. They've worked against us since the beginning of time. It's gotten so bad recently that I've found myself excluded from more social groups than normal. Now I can mail a request form to Microsoft for the precise definition and go around my school yelling "You have to let me in your social group. Microsoft says that you're not a clique!" Ahh, the joys of being a geek.
Google has suspended my AD Sense account twice for what they deemed "Invalid Clicks", even though there was no absolutely no fraud on my part, and I'm not the only one this has happened to. It's widespread, especially for the small website owners like myself.
Consider this...
They give you an account and tell you NOT to encourage your website visitors to visit the sponsors. How stupid is that?
They give you a google search box and and tell you NOT to encourage your website visitors to use it. How stupid is that?
Isn't the entire reason for having ADs is that website users can click those ADs and view advertiser products and services?
The 1st time they suspended my account for "Invalid Clicks" I had to ask my website users not to click the ADs. Can you believe it? I actually had to discourage my website users to not visit the ADs or use the Google search because of fear of being suspended again.
After pleading my case with Google, I was reinstated. After another month, I was suspended again and simply gave up on AD-sense. They kept my money as well. It wasn't much because I don't have that much traffic. Around $50 or so..
If anyone was defrauded, it was me!!
What this tells me is that google's methodology for detecting so called "invalid clicks" is severely flawed. I know in my heart there was no fraud on my website and that's all that matters to me.
If google was really interested in eliminating fraud, they would suspend the accounts who were really involved in perpetrating frauds. Like the 1000s of websites that contain little or no content and trick you into clicking on the ADs. Those, along with the "click-monkeys" are the real villains here, not the average small time website owner like myself who never did anything wrong.
Since moving to yahoo for AD servers, I have not had any problems. They obviously can tell when fraud has been committed, and more importantly for me, when it has not.
... simply look at http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aclick ?
Depends on what your definition of "definition" is.
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The alter ego of click fraud is a click protest. Say you have a beef with some company, group, organization, whatever. Google to see if they advertise. Then click on the ad. Click and click and click. Make the suckers pay.
Not very nice. But it's been known to happen.
Hosts file. What clicks? Odds are dang good no clicks come from me. Ever.
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