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Dell Reflects on 25 Years of PCs

An anonymous reader writes "Michael Dell, founder of the world's largest computer company, took a few minutes with CNet News.com to reflect on the past 25 years and offer a few personal notes. While Dell certainly has an impressive business history, he still thinks the best is yet to come. From the article: 'Michael Dell started off using PCs to create homework shortcuts, the way many young people at the time discovered the new devices. Few people, including Dell's parents, realized exactly how large the potential was for the personal computer. More than 20 years after he founded PC's Limited, he admits his parents never quite embraced his decision to leave the University of Texas at Austin to start the company that would eventually bear his name and record $56 billion in revenue during its last fiscal year.'"

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  1. Dude, you're getting a press release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    that no one cares about.

    1. Re:Dude, you're getting a press release by StreetScream · · Score: 1
  2. hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home PC by yagu · · Score: 1, Interesting

    From the article, Dell says he has their top of the line Dell Precision. Some observations about the default (without customization) configuration and guesses about his usage:

    • Operating System: XP Professional

      guessing not a single web app is served out of his compouter, from IIS and .NET technology (one of the main reasons for having PRO)

    • Processor: Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5050 3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667

      guessing never ran that processor at greater than 30% usage for more than five minutes at once

    • Memory: 2GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC, In Riser (2 DIMMS)

      guessing never filled that memory, never swapped/paged

      (Actually, he mentions he actually has 32G memory in his machine, no change in my guess)

    • Video: 128MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro NVS 285, Dual VGA Capable

      no guesses

    • SATA: 80GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache(TM)

      guessing less than 10G data

      guessing less than 1000 digital pictures, less than 5 personal digital videos, and of the digital photos, less than 5% are tagged and cataloged via some organizing software such as Picasa, or ThumbsPlus.

    • CD Drive: 48X/32X CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive with Cyberlink Power DVD(TM)

      guessing never burned a disc

    • Monitor(s): Dell 30" UltraSharpTM Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor: 3007FPW (2)

      guessing never had enough applications running to come close to filling the real estate of the two screens (and probably not even one (2560 x 1600 resolution)).

      guessing uses them (it) to watch movies (yawn).

    I don't even have an opinion as to the goodness or not about the utilization... don't necessarily care people aren't using more than 5% of their machine -- but it's more a reflection of the effectiveness of the marketing of computers than their necessity and usefulness. Owning a machine like Dell's doesn't suggest a need.

    Dell and everyone else is welcome to their over-configured machines, but (and related to today's previous slashdot article) PCs are becoming overconfigured underused status symbols and far less utilitarian. Dell's vision of PCs importance in the future is distorted by the company he must continue to make profitable. The upcoming wave of Vista and the fat machines required to drive Vista are a big yawn to the consuming community.

  3. Have you hugged your inheritence today? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "More than 20 years after he founded PC's Limited, he admits his parents never quite embraced his decision to leave the University of Texas at Austin to start the company that would eventually bear his name and record $56 billion in revenue during its last fiscal year.'"

    Did they "embrace" the money?

    1. Re:Have you hugged your inheritence today? by mrxak · · Score: 1

      What? Why would his parents inherit their son's money? I don't think you understand how inheritance usually works...

    2. Re:Have you hugged your inheritence today? by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      Of course.

      A few million would be enough to convince me to admit I was wrong....

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    3. Re:Have you hugged your inheritence today? by necrogram · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Just think how much he *could* have made if he finishned school

    4. Re:Have you hugged your inheritence today? by TechnoLust · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, he didn't come from a poor family.

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  4. Express Service Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dell tech support makes me suicidal.

    1. Re:Express Service Code by d3am0n · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually I work at Dell doing technical support. In fact I'm typing this from work right now while I'm between calls. What happened that made your experience so bad? I've only been here about 2 months but they've been hammering customer satisfaction into us like it was a cure for cancer. I guess they got t3h shitz from other outsource sites where basically working conditions sucked and nobody cared. However i work directly for Dell itself and I'm tellin you, we'll stay on the phone for like 3 hours if that's what it takes. All of my co-workers here are pretty hardcore geeks and techies since the area our site is located in had an economic downturn in the tech industry so the majority of us have programming diploma's and electronic engineering degree's.

    2. Re:Express Service Code by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Dell tech support makes me suicidal.

      Can't say I've had the pleasure as we've switched to HP/Compaq, but I did have to sort out some issues with a Dell desktop a few years back and felt I wasn't getting the best service there could be.

      [Micahel Dell] still thinks the best is yet to come.

      He's delusional. Their glory days are in the past. 10 years ago they made some of the best PCs you could lay your hands on with great support, too. Now they're about as bad, if not worse, than the jokers who build PCs in their garages. Too much competition for them to continue delivering the top of the line stuff, since too many people are willing to spend on rubbish. The PC is a commodity item and they're just another company selling them.

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    3. Re:Express Service Code by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      Actually I work at Dell doing technical support. In fact I'm typing this from work right now while I'm between calls. What happened that made your experience so bad?

      US support for Dell (for those who bought the premium warranty) is decent if not wonderful. The Indian tech support for the rest of the peons is plagued by bad connections and difficulty understanding the reps' Engrish. If you're gonna hire someone to interface with customers, you'd best make sure that they run software perfectly for the protocol used by those customers :)

      -b.

    4. Re:Express Service Code by Anonymous+Foosball · · Score: 1

      .. Where have YOU been every time I've called Dell support?

      The only thing your post needs is your direct phone number. Damn.

    5. Re:Express Service Code by Kevin+DeGraaf · · Score: 1

      the majority of us have programming diploma's and electronic engineering degree's

      And wonderful apostrophe skill's, apparently.

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    6. Re:Express Service Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What great job's, working at Dells domestic support center's. Surf some web site's, knock back a few coffee's, answer some call's, some as long as three hour's. It must have been all the college's you all went to and all the book's you read and all the programming classe's you took that made all those difference's in how well you can answer all those call's. Your english professor's must be busting their button's as well.

      I stopped calling outsource / ESL support centers because of the language barrier. Fat lot of good that did...

    7. Re:Express Service Code by TheOldSchooler · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, so you must be the "David Smith" from Guadlajara Mexico that mysteriously put me on hold a little while ago for 10 minutes.

    8. Re:Express Service Code by EnderGT · · Score: 1
      I've dealt with both the chat support, the phone support, and the in-home techs. Chat support has been ok, I usually get someone who's at least fairly competent. Then again, I reserve chat support for extremely minor issues.

      As far as the in-home tech support, it's been a mixed bag. One lady broke the monitor hinge on my laptop, while another guy forgot to put the heat sink back on when replacing the mobo, but all visits have been quick and efficient.

      My worst phone experience:

      Problem: Battery Failure - won't hold a charge

      I've done my reasearch, Googled for all the troubleshooting tips I could find. I have located the Dell guide for troubleshooting batteries, and have determined that the battery has 0% capacity remaining (5 lights flashing, I think was the code).

      I pick up the phone to call at about 7:45. After 30 minutes on hold, I hear a sound on the other end like someone picking up, then the line goes dead.

      I call back. After another 20 minutes on hold, I get an Indian (guessing by the accent) lady who speaks poor English and who is obviously just following the steps in the Dell Offical Guide to Troubleshooting Every Possible Problem (tm). I tell her the problem, and what I've done to troubleshoot, what I've identified the problem as, and what I need her to do about it. She ignores everything I've said and proceeds to guide me through 2 hours of Dell Official Troubleshooting steps, including running the Dell diagnostics off the CD among other things - but NEVER asks me to perform the battery self-diagnostic test. Our call ends with another disconnection.

      At this point I'm ready to give up, but I can't afford another battery, and I need to be using this laptop completely wirelessly.

      So I call back again.

      After another 15 minutes on hold, I get an Indian (guessing by the accent) lady who speaks passable English. She listens to my description of the problem, and what I've done to troubleshoot, what I've identified the problem as, and immediately says "Your battery needs to be replaced. I see that you are still covered by warranty, so I will arrange a replacement."

      It makes me happy to hear that not all of the techs are completely incompetent. I just wish I could have been connected to this last lady in the first place, it would have saved me about 3 hours of trouble.

    9. Re:Express Service Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. If you have a degree in EE or programming or whatever and ended up working in tech support you essentially wasted four years of your life.

    10. Re:Express Service Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience with dealing with Dell cust support, I have found out that if 1 rep doesn't help me quick enough, I just hang up and try calling again. It is usually easy to be on hold for another 10-20-30mins rather than talking to an idiot cust rep.

    11. Re:Express Service Code by labnet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What the Dells of the world need is to rate their customers technical competence level.
      So if they realise you have the smarts, you can be elevated to a similarly rated tech.
      Imagine the efficiencies it would create for both sides!

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    12. Re:Express Service Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with this (in my experience) is that "smart" people
      a) are only marginally less likely to make foolish mistakes than "stupid" people ... e.g. not plugging things in, plugging things in incorrectly, using the software incorrectly/failing to actually read what the dialog box said, etc.
      b) are much more likely to be overconfident in their troubleshooting skills, and are more likely to be rude and argumentative when corrected.

    13. Re:Express Service Code by Drakin020 · · Score: 1

      People can knock on Dell all they want but really where Dell shines is in it's business support. You get Mr. Habeeb because you recieved a Home user technical support. For my customers that I sell Dell to, we only sell Dell's Gold tech support. Which is american.

      People who typically knock on Dell's are people who dont work in the Computer Business. Honestly im sure Dell doesnt give a crap about someone who spends $500 on some Junky home PC. Where the real money is, is in enterprise solutions. We quote Dell hardware between $10k-$30k. Dell blade centers are some of the best servers ive worked with. Even better when they start using AMD. When you enter the business world you will relise how BADASS Dell really is. (And Microsoft but thats another story)

      Dells support has been flawless and there prices are some that just cant be beat. I feel that 10 years ago in your so called "Glory Days" were the days Dell was new. No business can come out and just start at an enterprise level. You have to work your way up somehow. Now that Dell holds a big piece of the pie in enterprise networks, they just wave away all the smaller business like home PC's. Just like my business. I outsorce IT networks. We are still a small business however we had to start somewhere. We began with residentials but now we are moving on towards businesses. As time goes on we will wave off and home users. This is why alot of people dont like Dell cause they see the "Home" Side of there business. But guys like me see the "Enterprise" side of it and are amaized.

      Once a Dell hater. Now a believer.

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    14. Re:Express Service Code by d3am0n · · Score: 1

      Nah, canadian site actually, we just opened up

    15. Re:Express Service Code by d3am0n · · Score: 1

      It is a great job. I put myself through college being a security guard, this is leaps and bounds better than sitting around playing half life 2 for 12 hours straight...well ok, that was nice, but it did get old after awhile and I wanted to put my brains to work abit more.

    16. Re:Express Service Code by d3am0n · · Score: 1

      2 years actually, it was a diploma, and like I said, not alot of jobs around here. I tried taking off for awhile to see if I could get a job elsewhere, no dice.

    17. Re:Express Service Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ottawa then, how many at your location? I hear it is (or is going to be) a big one!

    18. Re:Express Service Code by labnet · · Score: 1

      The problem with this (in my experience) is that "smart" people
      a) are only marginally less likely to make foolish mistakes than "stupid" people ... e.g. not plugging things in, plugging things in incorrectly, using the software incorrectly/failing to actually read what the dialog box said, etc.
      b) are much more likely to be overconfident in their troubleshooting skills, and are more likely to be rude and argumentative when corrected.

      So... you rate the customer like ebay.
      Customer knew his stuff +1.. customer thought he knew it but was a dick or abusive.. -1. Customer was a benign noob. 0
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    19. Re:Express Service Code by notaspunkymonkey · · Score: 1

      Good post - I agree - we put in 5 cabs of Dell servers for a client - they have been thrilled with both the performance and the support that they have received from Dell (plus the nice blue lights make the server room look cool) Dell works well for the business - and looks after the business - and I know that when the kit becomes obsolete or they need more - they will go straight back to Dell and buy more.

    20. Re:Express Service Code by Drakin020 · · Score: 1

      Yet I got no mod for that post >_ Prolly due to my reference to being a Microsoft Fan.

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    21. Re:Express Service Code by notaspunkymonkey · · Score: 1

      Yep - Microsoft and Dell in the same post - be careful - you could experiance the full wrath of the /. crowd =)

  5. If she's like MY mom... by Bandman · · Score: 5, Funny

    "...but think about what could have happened if you'd have stayed in school"

    1. Re:If she's like MY mom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could have bought Microsoft with pocket change!

    2. Re:If she's like MY mom... by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      "...but think about what could have happened if you'd have stayed in school"

      Paying off $100k in student loans with your tips from Denny's?

      KFG

    3. Re:If she's like MY mom... by DysenteryInTheRanks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At least if he'd stayed in school he would never have met his loser, dropout friends Bill, Larry and Steve, who are CONSTANTLY in trouble with the law.

    4. Re:If she's like MY mom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To hazard a guess, ff he had stayed in school, he might have come up with a less corrupt role model than billy bathgates?

  6. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Kuj0317 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fun as it is to complain that xyz people have superfast computers that they'll never use, realize this: computers work on an economy of scale. If less people bought high end computers: - Computer technology would not update as fast - High end computers would cost several times more So, the fact that they use these

  7. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by laffer1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even he knows the lowend dimensions and optiplex are crap.

  8. Business, Not Computer, Skills by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    His skill was in streamlining a business model. AFAIK he hasn't done anything directly to improve computers. He helped lower the cost to consumers. He deserves a lot of business credit, but I'm not sure he deserves any geek cred. He's already been written up in BusinessWeek. I don't think he warrants a /. article.

    1. Re:Business, Not Computer, Skills by Stumbles · · Score: 1

      No geek credit for sure.

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    2. Re:Business, Not Computer, Skills by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 0

      he has geek cred with me. I certainly don't want to have to pay 3k for a basic computer.

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    3. Re:Business, Not Computer, Skills by avronius · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Volume sales will, in general, lower the price of a commodity. Assuming that there is demand for the product, lower price will result in greater accessibility and, potentially, faster adoption rates. As there is demand for product, companies hope to innovate to win market share. In this case, Dell's lower prices and [reasonably] consistent quality has led manufacturers to compete with innovative products.

      Of course, I may have taken too much cold medicine...

    4. Re:Business, Not Computer, Skills by tduff · · Score: 1
      The one other thing I want to ask you is what you currently use, right now at home, as your home PC.
      I am using a Dell Precision 690, which is our high-end workstation. It's a two-socket system and it's got two dual-core Woodcrest (Xeon 5100 processors) in there. It's got a port with 64 (gigabytes) of memory, but I have only got 32 (gigabytes) in there.

      Come on.
      And I have got two of our 30-inch monitors, so it's 8.2 million pixels of resolution, which is kind of nice. And I have managed to get a fiber connection to my house, so I kind of dig into that speed on the Internet.

      No geek cred?
    5. Re:Business, Not Computer, Skills by truthsearch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can buy a Ferrari. That doesn't give me racing cred.

    6. Re:Business, Not Computer, Skills by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      The same can be said of Mr. "Steal or Buy Ideas" Gates. Gates had the marketing thing working for him. Dell has the efficiency of assembly and direct knowledge of the customer. The actual product isn't innovative.

      Layne

    7. Re:Business, Not Computer, Skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the article is on /. because it is relevant to the history of the PC, not because of Dell's geek cred.
      But I also think you are way off by criticizing Michael Dell as "just a businessman". If you have ever heard him talk, you would know that he is all geek, and he knows his stuff.

    8. Re:Business, Not Computer, Skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Michael Dell doesn't rate a mention on Slashdot? Come on, if he hadn't sold those millions of computers to millions of users most of the slashdot audience would probably be out of a job! And I'm not just talking about selling, or servicing, or cleaning virii etc off peoples machines. If there weren't all those millions of eyeballs looking at web pages, how much fewer web developers would be needed, how much lower would their pay be? How much less requirement would there be for people to maintain the server farms, how many fewer businesses would require a web presence? The list goes on.

    9. Re:Business, Not Computer, Skills by westlake · · Score: 1
      I can buy a Ferrari. That doesn't give me racing cred

      The rules change when your name is Ferrari, your company builds the Ferrari, and you sponsor the Ferrari racing team.

    10. Re:Business, Not Computer, Skills by adrianmonk · · Score: 1
      His skill was in streamlining a business model. AFAIK he hasn't done anything directly to improve computers. He helped lower the cost to consumers. He deserves a lot of business credit, but I'm not sure he deserves any geek cred.

      Way back in the day, when I was in high school, Dell was known as a premium computer vendor, with designs that were better than most PC clones. Or at least so said my high-school computer science teacher, Dr. McPherson (who also taught CS at the college down the street), when he bought an 80286-based Dell machine in what must've been around 1987 or 1988. I've forgotten the exact details, but apparently due to their design, the Dell machine actually ran real programs faster than competitors' models with similar processors. I'm not sure what that entailed, maybe a faster memory bus or something, but I specifically remember that Dr. McPherson did lots of research and finally settled on the Dell machine as the superior choice.

  9. Other dropouts... by nascarguy27 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who did well include Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. I think it's strange how 20-30 years ago, college dropouts could do so well. Now, it's almost expected to have a Bachelor's degree or even a Master's for some occupations.

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    1. Re:Other dropouts... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, Gates dropped out of Harvard... that's not exactly a rags to riches story, it's more like a riches to ridiculous riches story. Dell is an equally well connected and savvy businessman, he didn't drop out and then go for it from scratch, he more than likely had a good idea that money was coming in before he dropped out. That's the key part -- make sure to have some $ coming in (with signs of more) BEFORE you drop out!

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    2. Re:Other dropouts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind that the like of Gates and Dell started their own companies, so it's not as if they had to pass interviews or otherwise appease HR folks for their jobs.

    3. Re:Other dropouts... by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well the point of their stories is that they dropped out to start their own business. No one ever got rich by getting a college degree and then sitting in a cubicle all day filling out TPS reports for a corporation.

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    4. Re:Other dropouts... by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      Unless you try to kill yourself by running your car in the garage, have an epiphany, get hit by a drunk driver, and end up in a full body cast... If you hang in there, good things DO happen!

    5. Re:Other dropouts... by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's strange how 20-30 years ago, college dropouts could do so well. Now, it's almost expected to have a Bachelor's degree or even a Master's for some occupations.

      This isn't a difference in the times, it's the difference between being the master or the slave. There's nothing to stop someone from dropping out of High School, founding a company and refusing to hire Phds because they haven't done any post doc work.

      As a caveat in support of your thesis, however, I'll note that's its becoming increasingly common for parents to demand a Masters degree in pedegogy to pay someone to teach their little princess how to play Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star on the violin.

      A greater waste of everybody's resources is hard to imagine, until you start thinking of government.

      KFG

    6. Re:Other dropouts... by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 0

      gates mom was on the board of directors at IBM. its more of a bush story than anything.

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    7. Re:Other dropouts... by hackstraw · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and Richard Branson dropped out of high school because it was getting in the way of his business (he later founded and runs Virgin).

      Fred Smith only got a C on his paper for starting a company like FedEx.

      The list goes on and on. But most successful people took more conventional routes by going to excellent schools, picked excellent parents and grandparents, knew tons of other successful people, and all of that jazz.

      Americans love the rags to riches on in a [mb]illion story, but those are still one in [mb]illion, and they still only happen once out of every million or billion times. People do the one in a couple of millions thing every year by doing another "American dream" thing of winning the lottery. Almost 100% of the time, these people are less happy, and simply have worse lives after winning the lottery than before, and often lose all of the money in a few years.

      Sure, its hard for me and many other people to accept that they really get what they deserve in life and just be happy with that. Sure we dream that if only X would happen then we would be happier. But the evidence is not supporting of such events, and the likelihood of them happening is pretty low.

    8. Re:Other dropouts... by 2short · · Score: 1


      The times haven't changed. If you go into a job interview without much experience, then or now, someone might want to know about your education. Do you think Gates, Jobs or Dell got started in a job interview? As the interview-ee?

      If you start your own company, who cares what's expected?

    9. Re:Other dropouts... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I don't know much about Jobs' parents (I did look at the Wikipedia article on him) - but Bill Gates' folks were loaded long before Bill ever thought about creating that new company MicroSoft.

      Of course they weren't multi-billionaires; but I'd imagine it takes some of the worry away when you know there's that big financial cushion to fall back on if you fail.

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    10. Re:Other dropouts... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Yeah, Gates dropped out of Harvard... that's not exactly a rags to riches story, it's more like a riches to ridiculous riches story.

      Indeed. As a friend of mine puts it "Gates couldn't start his business in his parent's garage - until he convinced them to move the Sunday Rolls and the Monday Lincoln out of his way".
    11. Re:Other dropouts... by infosec_spaz · · Score: 1

      Yes, and it is those of the previous generation who have NO degree who now REQUIRE one from us underlings!!!

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    12. Re:Other dropouts... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      I think it's strange how 20-30 years ago, college dropouts could do so well.

      Even 20-30 years ago, it was the exception and not the rule for a college dropout to be as successful in the business world as guys like Gates, Jobs, and Dell did.

      The thousands of other entrepreneurs who did not and could not have been as successful as they were without their college degrees do not get talked about quite as much.

    13. Re:Other dropouts... by exclusive_lock · · Score: 1

      I remember reading some years ago on the NY Times (link lost on the tides of time) about a guy that used to work on a parking lot, had a debt 5X his yearly earnings, et cetera... Then he won the lottery! - So far, so good.

      He started living like you would expect after winning XX million dollars (after taxes, of course).
      Huge Mansion, expensive cars, female companion... but he also tried to invest his money (again, as expected).
      But our guy hadn't had any previous experience doing business, so, suppliers ripped him off, his "business counselors" and "associates" ripped him off, his family ripped him off, and so on and so on.

      As you explain, his life was miserable and ended up losing everything in 5 years, if I remember correctly.

      The moral of the story is: In business, who and what you know it is just as important as the capital.
      Either way, be ready for a crash; as even people with an excellent network of contacts, great know-how and the right amount of cash has failed miserably (or struck gold, but you'll never know if you don't try).

    14. Re:Other dropouts... by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      As Rockefeller once said, "If I want a PhD, I'll hire one".

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    15. Re:Other dropouts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I knew Michael back when he was starting, and you're correct that the money was coming in before he dropped out. The guy was making about $20K/year in high school by hiring friends to help him sell subscriptions to the Houston Post at the same time as he was gray marketing IBM PCs out of his house.

      When he went to UT in 1983 (he was pre-med, IIRC, because being a doctor is "an honorable profession"), there were exactly two licensed IBM dealers in the Austin area. Since IBM allocated machines per store rather than by regional demand, this meant that there was a 4-8 week wait to get an official IBM PC in the Austin area.

      Michael walked into that environment and used his significant negotiating skills to start bringing bare bones PCs in from all over the country (persuading people to "bend" their IBM contracts) and selling them at a significant discount from IBM's prices with a turnaround in the neighborhood of a week. As a result, his revenues from PCs Limited were around 7 figures by the end of his freshman year... So Sophomore year probably seemed a bit pointless to him.

      He definitely had the technical skills to put the computers together himself and he understands and likes the technology, but it has always been the money that interests him most. He has always had a remarkable ability to identify the talents in others and put them to work for him, but he's never personally been the source of actual technical innovations.

      Gates, on the other hand, really is an uebergeek. And a shrewd businessman, of course, but the biggest difference between Gates and Dell is that Gates has always been interested in making lots of money by creating innovative technology, while Dell has always been interested in making lots of money by selling technology, innovative or otherwise.

  10. Pwnzor Identified! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh cmon' we both know he's "Pwnzor" on counterstrike. He's blames it on lag and then goes "ROFL I own Dell. Noobs!"

  11. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And I'm guessing your guesses mean 100% of nothing when he is worth 13 Billion dollars, he must be doing SOMETHING right.

  12. IBM? by mrxak · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why does this slashdot story have the IBM logo?

    1. Re:IBM? by linguae · · Score: 1

      Because IBM is the founder of the standard x86 PC (also known as the IBM PC). The article is reflecting on the history of PCs, so it makes sense to have an IBM logo.

    2. Re:IBM? by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

      My guess is because this is about Dell reflecting on 25 years of PCs.... PCs which IBM basically invented. Thus, the IBM logo.

    3. Re:IBM? by mrxak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But the article is not really about IBM itself, it's about PCs in general. Why not put it down as Hardware or IT? Or even Businesses or Technology?

    4. Re:IBM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wrong. IBM is taking business from Dell left & right. The logo is there to stick it to the Dell man.

    5. Re:IBM? by Himring · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why does this slashdot story have the IBM logo?

      I bet you read eula's too

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    6. Re:IBM? by nsayer · · Score: 1
      PCs which IBM basically invented

      I take issue with the word invented in this context. The concept of a personal computer was well established long before the IBM PC was released. Their design wound up being popular and is the predecessor to the current x86 based designs, but that doesn't mean they "invented" it.

      Lots of folks also think that Thomas Edison invented the incandescent light bulb, or that Ford invented either the car or the assembly line, but those notions are just as wrong.

    7. Re:IBM? by TechnoLust · · Score: 1

      Move your mouse over the icon and look at the alt-text. That is the "Businesses" icon. Dell is a business, hence the icon. Granted it isn't a very generic "Business" icon, but then, this IS slashdot after all.

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    8. Re:IBM? by tcphll · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think that's 2 seperate icons. The hat, briefcase, and cellphone are the "Business" icon. The alt text for the IBM logo is "IBM".

    9. Re:IBM? by bob65 · · Score: 1

      What? I'm pretty sure the parent was referring to the icon that looks like I B M, not the one that looks like a suitcase.

    10. Re:IBM? by kailash+badu · · Score: 1

      To follow that line of reasoning, there should have been an image of Charles Babbage.

  13. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My employer did some customization of our product for Dell. We know for sure that Michael Dell does look at daily reports - but maybe not on his home machine. But I wouldn't be surprised if he uses VPN and gets all that corporate web-based dashboarding from home.

  14. My Work Productivity by neonprimetime · · Score: 1

    And I have got two of our 30-inch monitors, so it's 8.2 million pixels of resolution, which is kind of nice.

    I need to convince the place I work at that if they get me setup with a 30 inch monitor, my productivity would skyrocket thru the roof!

  15. looking back... by dosle · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Ah, we at Dell have sure come a long wa-- BOOM "

    1. Re:looking back... by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 1

      "Aaagghh!! My biscuits are burning!! My biscuits are burning!!

      --

      I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.

    2. Re:looking back... by BigCheese · · Score: 1

      I'll bet the drummer for Spinal Tap has a Dell notebook.

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  16. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Dell and everyone else is welcome to their over-configured machines, but (and related to today's previous slashdot article) PCs are becoming overconfigured underused status symbols and far less utilitarian. Dell's vision of PCs importance in the future is distorted by the company he must continue to make profitable.
    I would not assume that Dell's plan for continued profitability is for everybody to buy high-end, high-margin machines. Quite the opposite. Dell is really not a starry-eyed futurist, either. The company never came to prominance until the late 90s when the traditional $2500-$3000 average PC price started to plunge. Dell is all about efficiency and low overhead. I'm guessing Dell sees its future in selling millions (billions?) of cheap PCs to developing markets around the world.
  17. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Chemical · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Operating System: XP Professional

    guessing not a single web app is served out of his compouter, from IIS and .NET technology (one of the main reasons for having PRO)

    Actually, I assume the main reason he would choose Pro is because it lets you join domains. Home doesn't have that ability.

  18. Re:IBM? Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Dell started his company making IBM compatible computers. That was an easy question sonny!

  19. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Funny

    My only response is this...we flew to the Moon and back using a computer with 32kb of RAM. Have you *at least* done that with your system?

  20. I doubt it is standard XP Pro... by Lester67 · · Score: 0

    Not with 32gb of memory... He'd need XP-64 bit to see anything above 3.0 gb (approx... with that video card.)

    1. Re:I doubt it is standard XP Pro... by timster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This isn't so.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Exte nsion

      True, it's not the same as full 64-bit support, as any individual process has to jump through hoops to use more than a 32-bit address space. XP Pro can certainly make use of it, though.

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    2. Re:I doubt it is standard XP Pro... by skraps · · Score: 1

      "See" or "use"? XP Pro will "see" all 32 gig. Without IA64, though, it will only be used by things like SQL Server that are made specifically to work around the 32-bit address space of IA32.

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    3. Re:I doubt it is standard XP Pro... by timster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, that isn't quite right. Regular 32-bit processes that aren't aware of PAE can still make use of 3GB *each*. So you could have 10 different regular apps each using 2GB of RAM without paging to disk.

      Also, XP should be able to make perfectly good use of that RAM for disk cache, which could provide a substantial benefit to all processes.

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    4. Re:I doubt it is standard XP Pro... by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but with that much RAM in his system, it is highly doubtful he even needs a page file. More than likely, he is running the OS out of RAM (you can do that you know).

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    5. Re:I doubt it is standard XP Pro... by Lester67 · · Score: 1

      Oh yes it is so... even with PAE enabled (which is rarely needed, as the OS now seems to "know" when it needs to invoke it) Windows XP only supports 4gb of RAM, in a perfect environment. (As in, without Service Pack 2, which allocates extra memory for "stability", leading to an XP=SP2 based system with anywhere from 2.9 to 3.5gb of available RAM for the OS.) Aside from possibly using a RAM disk, he is wasting 29gb of memory.

  21. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by kfg · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing that Michael is not a typical Dell owner.

    KFG

  22. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, but can Michael Dell's dual Xenon 32GB RAM workstation run Windows Vista?

  23. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by vertinox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't even have an opinion as to the goodness or not about the utilization... don't necessarily care people aren't using more than 5% of their machine -- but it's more a reflection of the effectiveness of the marketing of computers than their necessity and usefulness. Owning a machine like Dell's doesn't suggest a need.

    Two things.

    First, people like to overcompensate for things they could never use but for status. Why buy a car that can go 150mph when its illegal and unfeasible to drive it at that speed?

    Secondly, computers age quite fast. If you buy a computer, it is reasonable to overcompensate because in 2-3 years an average computer will be out of date and underpowered. The top of the line computer today will be the below average in 5 years but you still can get some life out of it.

    Remember 640K ought to be enough for anyone.

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  24. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    Hmm..dual core for multiprocessing, big screen, nice video card, gobs of memory....this dude must be doing some massively parallel porn! Imagine being able to watch 10 porn movies at once. With Dell Technology, we can help make this dream a reality!

  25. Dell vs. HP by Sgt_Astro · · Score: 2, Funny

    Depending on how you slice the pie Hewlett Packard is the largest PC company. When is that the case? Pretty much any other way you look at it.

    1. Re:Dell vs. HP by jt2377 · · Score: 0

      however, Dell is more profitable with less overhead.

  26. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    I'm sure he feels like a Yakov joke, that Windows Vista is running him and Dell. ragged.

  27. We can go further with this... by monoqlith · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Let's see.

    • Forbes magazine says Michael Dell is worth $17.1 billion dollars.

      If I were to guess, he probably hasn't spent more than $100 million of that.

    • Forbes Autos says he has a Porsche Boxter and a Hummer

      Yeah, I bet he only uses one of them at a time! And he probably doesn't even go over 70mph!

    • This site says his house is 33,000 square feet.

      He totally doesn't use any more than 10,000 square feet, I bet!



    • Point: welcome to the gratuitous world of the absurdly wealthy.


    1. Re:We can go further with this... by Aidski · · Score: 1

      Point: welcome to the world of internet people making assumptions pulled completely out of their asses.

  28. I disagree by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is through the streamlining of purchasing computers that led to more standardization across components. It also led to innovations in cooling and airflow, integration, and ease of use. They have to find new ways to keep people coming back. This means more features, easier access to the features, and easier use. This just doesn't happen. The market has to be there or be invented.

    While Mr. Dell might not have been personally in the design process of every machine I bet he did have some influence over early machines and to this day the ideas he suggest do have weight if not merit. Too many people discount Dell, Gates, and others simply because they don't like the product or just have some inate personality problem - especially against people who did well.

    Not everyone can do this, and obviously not as well as he did. Dell is very much his company just like Jobs is Apple. You cannot separate the two and have the same thing. Both could go off and do something else but its their drive and initiative that led their respective companies to success.

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    1. Re:I disagree by quanticle · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It is through the streamlining of purchasing computers that led to more standardization across components.


      Oh, is this why Dell computers all have proprietary cases, motherboards, and power supplies? Dell has not done anything to improve standardization in terms of physical components. Dell has simply continued the tradition set by HP, Compaq, and others of creating and using propretary components whenever possible in order to keep the consumer coming back to them and them only when components fail.

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    2. Re:I disagree by RESPAWN · · Score: 1

      Would that I did not squander my moderator points on a previous article tonight. You greatly deserve the Insightful moderation that you have recieved as well as additional moderations in the same manner.

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  29. I remember early PCs in high school... by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Discovering the joy that was a 'plotter', that produced nice smooth output, rather than the pixelated crap that came out of dot matrix printers. Found an HP letter-size plotter used really cheap, and bought it. Started printing out my homework on that, rather than on the dot matrix. The handwriting-style font that was included with Windows 3.0 worked very well for this. Plotting out my homework on notebook paper, with a blue pen, the teacher just thought I had perfect handwriting. :-D (Although, it did take about half an hour to plot out a single page....)

    My high school also had early internet access, thanks to a donation of a 'mini-supercomputer' from a local supercomputer company (Sequent,) and dial-up access provided by a local college during my senior year. This computer had a whopping 32 386 processors, (which makes it marginally slower than my current cell phone,) and our connection used a quad-linked 9600 baud (effective ~38kbps) SLIP connection. It even ran X. Too bad the web browser wasn't invented until after I graduated... I had to wait another two years before the internet became 'public', and a friend and I convinced the local ISP to install SLIP software so we could try out this 'Mosaic' thingy... (On OS/2 of course. We wouldn't be caught dead running Windows.)

    Then there was when (this same) friend would spend every night dialed up at 14.4kbps to a BBS in Finland so he could download install disks for this 'Linux' thing... One disk a night. Man, he had a big phone bill that month.

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    1. Re:I remember early PCs in high school... by KimmoA · · Score: 0

      I like geek stories like this one. Please keep posting them -- it's half the fun of reading Slashdot.

    2. Re:I remember early PCs in high school... by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


        I'll second that.

        Even those of us who were around well before the GP was love the nostalgia.

      SB

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  30. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing I should say "so what". I want that machine. I don't really need it, but I want it anyways, if I could afford it I might consider it. Can you say that you wouldn't want such a machine? Even if you didn't need it, can you honestly say you wouldn't wish you could own one? I love workstation machines, they are generally very well built, much better than nearly any consumer machine, with very high quality drivers. Despite my wishes, my dad's is kept on all the time and the only restarts it needs is for updates, otherwise it can stay up indefinitely, and this is with Windows. The computer is used quite a bit, for CAD, office, email, web and some media stuff. The machine itself is a 2x 500MHz Xeon, eight years old now and I'd be happy to use it though I'd have to curtail the media encoding and such.

    BTW: XP Home won't take advantage of a quad, it is intended for a single processor module, the second module wouldn't even be made available. XP pro handles two processor modules, each being dual core makes it a quad.

  31. Re:His parents were right by Chineseyes · · Score: 0

    Yeah cause his name being attached to giant piles of MONEY his company produces is a horrible thing.

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    --A wise old fart named SC0RN
  32. College is when to start by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you're smart, you can get by on someone else's dime be it family, student loans, scholarships or GI bill money. It's the best time to start a business. In fact, it is the time when a young person can probably be at his or her safest while doing it. They have access to a lot of cheap help and free mentorship.

  33. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Billosaur · · Score: 1

    From the article, Dell says he has their top of the line Dell Precision.

    He had a Dell notebook, but it got consumed in an office fire...

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  34. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by pdangel · · Score: 1

    Hey clueless. How you plan on checking your exchange email on XP Home? Typing your password every single time you open it because your too stupid to use PRO and join the domain?

    Perhaps you should stick to the Linux comments if you have never managed a Windows domain (and God help those who are stuck doing so).


    guessing he is on exchange or his blackberry is sitting useless in his pocket.

  35. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's -SETI? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Maybe he did some public good by running the SETI screensaver on it. Then, at least, he may have warmed up the processor a bit.

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  36. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Secondly, computers age quite fast. If you buy a computer, it is reasonable to overcompensate because in 2-3 years an average computer will be out of date and underpowered. The top of the line computer today will be the below average in 5 years but you still can get some life out of it.

    Actually, it makes more sense to buy a middle of the road system today and upgrade it in 1.5 - 2 years. You probably break even on the money since you avoid the premium for the best hw, but you will have more power than that when you buy you next system. There is an added benefit of actually having 2 systems after 2 years. You may not like the power of the first one, but it will make a good file server, a good PC for your kids, or whatever else you feel like using it for.

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  37. Reflect on This by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Do these reflections include the moment when he was suddenly inspired to decide, And I think I'll stick with Intel for the next 25 years, and then dump them piecemeal.

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  38. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by crunch_ca · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Many years ago, orders came down from management that we needed to keep track of system resource usage. My boss at the time set up a complex series of scripts to track system load using uptime, etc. He was able to get a nice accurate model of system usage.


    Of course, management came down heavy on him. "Why is your department only using 15% of their machines capabilities! Every other department has 100% utilization of their resources". The other managers had just filled out 100% in the weekly reports.

  39. Re:Express Service Code - Dell Secret Blogger by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    Actually I work at Dell doing technical support. In fact I'm typing this from work right now while I'm between calls.

    Ah, the Dell secret blogger emerges. And so much better than the over-moderated, homogenized pap on One2One.dell.com.

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  40. and the future looks HOT by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seriously they're on FIRE!

  41. Re:Express Service Code-Between What??? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    Actually I work at Dell doing technical support. In fact I'm typing this from work right now while I'm between calls.

    If you're "between calls", I take it that the next person who calls for assistance will be connected immediately with no wait time at all.

    Boy have I slipped into another dimension lately.

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  42. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by pe1chl · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, for the money you spend today on a top of the line computer, you can buy an average computer today, and another one in 2-3 years that outperforms today's top of the line computer (and is average at that time).
    So, over the entire 5 year period you have spent equal (or less) money, and you end up with two systems.

    There is only one reason for not doing this: saving the environment.
    Otherwise, spending on top of the line computers is always a bad investment.

  43. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

    Almost no one with XP Pro cares about IIS. The main reasons to have XP Pro are:

    • More than one processor. XP Home only allows 1 processor. Not sure how it handles a single dual-core CPU, but my bet is that it doesn't have SMP enabled, which means it won't work without Pro.
    • Remote Desktop.
  44. IBM is chopped liver? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    > Michael Dell, founder of the world's largest computer company...

    In what alternate universe?

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    1. Re:IBM is chopped liver? by Ant+P. · · Score: 1
      In what alternate universe?

      The... uh... 21st century one?
    2. Re:IBM is chopped liver? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Both IBM's market cap and its revenue are about double Dell's.

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    3. Re:IBM is chopped liver? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      They also sold their PC division over a year ago.

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    4. Re:IBM is chopped liver? by uarch · · Score: 1

      IBM isn't strictly a "computer company."

      Sure, we do computers. We also do buisness services, financing, embedded devices, asics, engineering consulting, research, etc... Dell may be the biggest "computer company" but IBM is much, much more.

    5. Re:IBM is chopped liver? by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      Which is probably how they manage to keep a bigger market cap and revenue compared to Dell. Seriously, to compete with Dell you'll have to keep the margins low, why even bother? Better sell service contracts, combined with expensive high-margin hardware if possible!

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  45. Business Support by The_Pariah · · Score: 1
    Where I work (we make Dell's revenue look like nothing), we use all Dell computers, monitors, and servers.

    I may not be impressed with the quality of a few items (PV 220s top of my list), but they design products that are extremely easy to work on. The modular design and extremely well documented online resources make almost any hardware failure easy to troubleshoot.

    Plus, ANY time I talk to their tech support, they actually from America. No horrible accents to understand. They know their stuff inside and out. All the email correspondence I've received lists the techs credentials, which is usually MCSE plus others.

    The key to their success is top notch support for large businesses and corporations. The consumer market I'm sure doesn't touch the revenue they get from companies who buy tens of thousands of computers and thousands of servers, all with next day warranty services. Keeping the largest group of users happy, not the $500 Dimension users, is how they're still doing well today.

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    1. Re:Business Support by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Plus, ANY time I talk to their tech support, they actually from America.

      That's because you have the good warranty plan. The poor schmucks who get the "home use" Dells like the Dimension with the regular warranty are the ones who get sent to Apu and Pradeep. (No offense intended to Indians, but people who don't speak English shouldn't be doing tech support for Americans!)

      -b.

    2. Re:Business Support by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with the PV220's? I admit to only having one at work, but it is three years old and has never missed a beat. The problem in the U.K. with the telephone support is after you have talked to the engineer and agreed that the machine is bust and it needs fixing, you get handed over to some unintelligble Indian who can't follow basic instructions.

    3. Re:Business Support by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      And rednecks who can't pronounce words properly, nor figure out that the telephone allows you to talk at a normal volume to people thousands of miles away - ie no need to shout into the phone, nor. Speak. As. If. Every. Word. Is. Its. Own. Sentence shouldn't expect to talk to people who are more fluent in English than they are themselves.

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    4. Re:Business Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but they design products that are extremely easy to work on"

      Their new BTX cases are a pain. I replaced a systemboard and a power supply and it took 3x longer than the clam shell style. Clam shell had 3 screws (one for sysbrd tray and two for power supply). New BTX has 4 just for the power supply and 10+ for the system board.

    5. Re:Business Support by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's because you have the good warranty plan. The poor schmucks who get the "home use" Dells like the Dimension with the regular warranty are the ones who get sent to Apu and Pradeep. (No offense intended to Indians, but people who don't speak English shouldn't be doing tech support for Americans!)

      While I appricate the fact that it's often easier to understand someone from your own region, America is a big enough place that regional dialects really get in the way of understanding. I would rather get tech support from India than for example Texas, Arkansas, or Mississippi. I remember calling about a software bug and I got told flat out that "may you be fishing 'fer craw-dads and got yer self a june buggie. Put on dem shoes and wack that mole". To this day I have no idea what that means. But I can say THANK GOD for Apu and Pradeep. Never has indian techsupport reccomended I put on shoes, wack moles, nor accuded me of fishing for craw-dads.

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    6. Re:Business Support by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      Texas, Arkansas, or Mississippi. I remember calling about a software bug and I got told flat out that "may you be fishing 'fer craw-dads and got yer self a june buggie.

      Actually, I've had experience with a few small software companies based in Texas who did their own support. Competent, polite, helpful, and knowledgable for the most part. And it's not so much a problem with understanding *them*, it's a problem with *them* understanding you, whereas even the language divide between Take-san and Noo-Yawhkian isn't that great.

      -b.

    7. Re:Business Support by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Where I work (we make Dell's revenue look like nothing)
      I'm guessing WalMart, but you're too embarassed to admit it.
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    8. Re:Business Support by The_Pariah · · Score: 1

      XOM

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  46. Heh by TheConfusedOne · · Score: 1

    Well, slap some pr0n up on those 30" monitors and something will sure go thru the roof...

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  47. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by amliebsch · · Score: 1

    Actually, the single biggest reason to have XP Pro is to join a domain.

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  48. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you buy a car, a normal car, that can go up to 140MPH, would you consider it a waste because you never actually reach that speed? If you have a five-seater, but normally drive on your own, would that be a waste? I guess you don't normally drive your car at more than 40% of its capabilities, yet you, presumably, would not buy a car that can reach a top speed of 70MPH.

  49. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Problem is modern computers must produce less thrust than those old ones. My computer just humms, and really dosn't move anywhere, much less to the moon. Now some of those old IBM's I have taken apart, they have 4+ huge 120V fans that move a lot of air.. so I can only guess how much thrust those old pre IBM computers had.. obviously enough to go to the moon.

  50. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    PCs are becoming overconfigured underused status symbols
    Maybe only to nerds. "Hey baby, guess what I've got in my box!"

    Btw, what hell do you care if the dude doesn't "utilize" his machine? The guy's the company figurehead, not sysadmin/programmer.
  51. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by apflwr3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't even have an opinion as to the goodness or not about the utilization... don't necessarily care people aren't using more than 5% of their machine -- but it's more a reflection of the effectiveness of the marketing of computers than their necessity and usefulness. Owning a machine like Dell's doesn't suggest a need.

    I'm not really sure I see your point.

    First, Mr. Dell did not pay retail for this machine-- in fact in all likelihood the company owns it, not him. I would also say it doesn't look good for the CEO of a computer manufacturer NOT to use the absolute best his company has to offer. It demonstrates success as well as pride. Perhaps your criticism would be valid if we were talking about Paris Hilton or Al Pacino or even your dad having a similar rig so they could email and IM... But we're not.

    Finally-- yes, there are a lot of people who have setups that are pure overkill. But then there are many who find a way to push these machines to the limit and still feel they aren't enough. Dell's machine (as well as a brand new Quad Mac Pro) would still take time to render video, for example-- and more so to do complicated effects on HD. A utilitarian machine from five or six years ago would choke on complex video and lag when importing a CD.

  52. 25 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't the Commodore Pet come out about 1978? How about the TI99a? Or the Apple I? Don't these count as "Personal Computers?"

  53. Has to be said by johansalk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Had I been a Billionaire I would've been optimistic about the future too.

  54. The true lesson learned by argoff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Has anyone ever noticed how the PC industry is not like other industries - eg cell phones which are all fragmented and incompatable and the user is mostly locked out from the hardware, or even laptops - try buying a laptop case and building your own at home. Try taking a tire off a chevy and putting it on a ford, or the breaks, or even the engine.

    The PC industry is the way it is because IBM just assumed they could patent the interfaces - when they couldn't. When people started to copy them, billions and billions of dollars worth of lawsuits started to fly all over the place. IBM against Compaq, Intel aganst AMD - inspite of great effort and costs, they were given no rights to impose patents over the interface. Maybe this was a failure for IBM and Intel, but it created a nuclear explosion of business, commerce, opportunity, and R&D for the rest of us.

    The moral of the story is that patnets do not help R&D and do not help finance R&D, they help lock out competition, and force the industry to fragment and center around a licensing model (which is good for lawyers and bad for engineers) instead of a service model (which is good for engineers, but bad for monopolies).

  55. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    IIRC, Home also only supports 1 CPU.

  56. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by BigCheese · · Score: 1

    No he is not. How many people have their name embossed on their computers?

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  57. Hey, diddle diddle. Gateway in the middle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "My only response is this...we flew to the Moon and back using a computer with 32kb of RAM. Have you *at least* done that with your system?"

    I strapped mine to a cow.

  58. Henry Ford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could say the same thing about Henry Ford.

    Bah what did he ever do? You know, besides making it cheap and easy for the common person to own a car.

  59. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please mod parent up. This is the first guy to post who actually understands the difference between home and pro.

    that other guy...IIS and .net servers...what a dipshit. Thats what the server editions are for.

  60. Re:Dell IS Proprietary by mpapet · · Score: 1

    Did you ever have to replace a power supply in a Dell tower? Proprietary plug.

    Did you ever try to use a case from Dell? Proprietary too.

    Enough with the starry-eyed optimism. It was plain old economics.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_compatible

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  61. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You're wrong on the hard-drive part. I hacked his box. He has a 250GB drive and 200GB of it is porn.

    *Required legal disclaimer: This was a joke. I did not hack his box. I do not know how big his hard drive is or how much porn is on it. Is that enough to keep the Dell lawywer's away? We shall see.

  62. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by bladesjester · · Score: 1

    There is only one reason for not doing this: saving the environment.
    Otherwise, spending on top of the line computers is always a bad investment.


    Or heavy duty photo and video editing, or animation, or developing extremely large and complex systems, or anything else that takes a lot of processing power or memory....

    Some people actually need the power of high end systems.

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  63. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by maxume · · Score: 1

    It no longer makes any sense to buy top end to 'get some life out of it'. It makes a whole lot more sense to get some life out of your money and use half of it to buy a second system a couple of years later, one that blows away what you could gotten for the whole shebang in the first place.

    Run on little sentence run on, we hardly knew ye.

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  64. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by sasdrtx · · Score: 1

    First, I doubt that applies to very many people. Possibly only gamers. Certainly not to the average non-geek who doesn't know his gigahertz from myasshurts. What will sell them is a fancy big flat screen, or maybe a sexy laptop. I wouldn't count on very many people tossing a machine that has 20x the performance they need for one that has 40x.

    Second, wrong. That was true in the 80s, but not anymore. My 1998 Dell Dimension (P2 233mhz, 512 mb) is just as capable of running the same apps as it did brand-new. It's a little dustier, but has no rust, and hasn't lost a nanosecond of it's original performance. My 2002 Dell Dimension (P4 2Ghz, 512mb) is capable of running every modern app that I'm interested in, and my kids find it adequate for WoW.

    So, when are they going to be obsolete? When they no longer provide a useful service. I don't see that coming. PCs have long passed the point where increased performance means anything for a desktop machine.

    Third, overcompensation cannot be reasonable.

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  65. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by greatcelerystalk · · Score: 1

    Nah, I think Dell's plan for continued profitability is to continue turning the PC into a commodity. I buy Dell because Dell is affordable, and I get more for my money. $970 buys a decent portable computer for a student, and the computer will do far more than just basic word processing to boot. But no, Dell's business model definitely doesn't appear to revolve around selling high-end machines to everyone.

  66. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by gmack · · Score: 1

    Home also doesn't let you change ownership of files either as well as a few other absolutely critical things that home doesn't do. Try it sometime: delete a user in Home then try to recover their files. Home is only usefull if you run everything as administrator wich is exactly what I wish people wouldn't do.

    The only thing worse than XP Home is XP Family Edition.

  67. IBM anyone? by cdn-programmer · · Score: 1

    Dell 49.04B market cap
    IBM 114.64B market cap
    Dell 56.74B revenue
    IBM 88.50B revenue

    It would be nice if even some basic facts could be checked. Of course - maybe some ppl think IBM is not a computer company.

    1. Re:IBM anyone? by kwpulliam · · Score: 1

      So in other words.... $1.00 of Dell equity grossed $1.157
      while $1.00 of IBM equity grossed $0.772.

      Mind you this is gross, not net, but from that perspective, Dell's earnings per dollar are bigger than IBM's and doing the math...

      (1.157-0.772)/0.772 = 0.49%

      Dells gross income, on an equity adjusted basis is 50% larger than IBM's.

    2. Re:IBM anyone? by adrianmonk · · Score: 1
      Dell 49.04B market cap
      IBM 114.64B market cap
      Dell 56.74B revenue
      IBM 88.50B revenue

      Dell's market share in the PC market: 32%
      IBM's market share in the PC market: sold its PC business

      And, incidentally:
      HP's market share in the PC market: 18.9%

      Yes, there are other computers besides PCs, but do you really think RS/6000 machines (and AS/400 and whatever else IBM sells these days) compare in volume to PCs? "Number one computer company" just means "sells the most computers", not "has the highest market capitalization and does things related to computers".

      Of course - maybe some ppl think IBM is not a computer company.

      You mean like my old upstairs neighbor, who worked at IBM, and who said on more than one occasion, "IBM is no longer computer company. IBM is a services company."?

    3. Re:IBM anyone? by zlogic · · Score: 1

      IBM sold its PC business to Lenovo years ago. They make their money on enterprise-grade servers, software and consulting. And all those consoles - Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii are all using IBM's CPUs.

  68. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Paolone · · Score: 1

    One CPU, two cores.

  69. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by ewl1217 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Operating System: XP Professional
    guessing not a single web app is served out of his compouter, from IIS and .NET technology (one of the main reasons for having PRO)
    Actually, I assume the main reason he would choose Pro is because it lets you join domains. Home doesn't have that ability.
    Actually, the most likely reason that he's using Pro is that the $50 difference between Home and Pro means nothing to him. He probably doesn't use his computer for some insanely specialized purpose like everyone here seems to think. We're talking about his home computer here, remember?
  70. Re:Dell IS Proprietary by Paolone · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Did you ever have to replace a power supply in a Dell tower? Proprietary plug.
    The Dells we have in the testing lab have ATX power supplies (even if the PSU itself has one of the stragest shapes I've ever seen).
    Did you ever try to use a case from Dell? Proprietary too.
    Nothing that a dremel can't fix...
  71. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by jt2377 · · Score: 0

    jellous, much? why do you care if he ever use more than 1% of capacity? if i'm not mistaking, U.S. is still a free country, no?

  72. ARRRRRRRGH by Mittermeyer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I bombed out of UT Austin about the time Dell was quitting and running his biz. I knew about his company. To me my choices were look him up and get a job there, or get a computer job at a hospital.

    I figured, eh the hospital will always have money, and this kid is likely to go through ups and downs and have cash flow issues, I want the security.

    Figure out just how I feel about that.

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    1. Re:ARRRRRRRGH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You took the job at the hospital because you lack what John Maynard Keynes called "Animal Spirit". Dell clearly does not.

  73. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by UnderDark · · Score: 1

    And how would the fans produce thrust when in space (no air)?

    The only option I can see is that you burn the chips to prodice a rocket-like thrust ability.

  74. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by really? · · Score: 1

    nope. (Vista's not out yet, in case you didn't know.) :-)

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  75. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by sd_diamond · · Score: 1

    My only response is this...we flew to the Moon and back using a computer with 32kb of RAM. Have you *at least* done that with your system?

    I can do that with a little square of paper.

  76. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by chris_eineke · · Score: 1
    PCs are becoming overconfigured underused status symbols and far less utilitarian.
    Good! That means we'll have less people rice up their Hondas with fart-can mufflers and gullwings the size of a house. I can stand morons showing off their new ultra-elite PC setup, but I can't stand some Honda 890ccm engine roaring like a monster truck and farting like a machine gun. Fucking annoying pricks.
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  77. Rule # 1 of business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    only hire lucky people! ;)

  78. Re:Express Service Code - Dell Secret Blogger by d3am0n · · Score: 1

    I'm not that secret, and I'm not at work anymore, I'm loafing at home with a coke in hand, mmmmm acidy.

  79. Dell rocks, or sucks, depending on service tag by The+Breeze · · Score: 1

    I have absolutely no complaints about Dell from a business support perspective.

    Their home support is evil.

    There's a clear difference in machine quality, as well. Take two Dell machines, with nearly identical specs, one from the home line and one from the business line.

    Same specs = same computer, right? Nope. In addition to the home machine being preloaded with every piece of crap software under the sun, the business machines seem to be better quality. Larger capacitors on the motherboard, perhaps, or just better quality components all around. Take two Dell machines, one from home, one from business, same specs but different model lines, wipe the HDD and install XP Pro from scrach. The business machine will just seem snappier, a bit crisper, a bit more solid. I'm convinced it's because they're slightly over-engineered and are designed to last.

    Business support? I get routed to America, and I can say, hey, here's our express service code, we have a corporate account, I am a tech for their IT department, and I have a bad [whatever]. They usually say, "ok, where do you want the part shipped." Every now and then, they ask me a couple of questions, obscure, model specific stuff, just to make sure I covered all the bases. Once, I thought I had a bad motherboard - no boot, no post, removed every component except memory and still no post - and the tech said, "Pull the riser board, let's make sure it's not that." Sure enough, thing booted back up and they just sent me a riser instead of a motherboard. Cool, quick and competent.

    Home support? Enter in a service tag number for a home machine, and you're on a merry romp through India. They MUST make you jump through hoops, but some of the more experienced techs will allow you to skip most of the hoops if you explain you usually work on the corporate machines and actually know what you're talking about.

    Server support? Beautiful. "Hi, I'm running CentOS, a clone of RedHat Enterprise with the branding removed." Dell: "No problem, how can we help?" In every case, got first call resolution, and even when the tech was obviously clueless about my specific issue, they were honest about it -"Well, I don't know, let me put you on hold and ask some people". I've worked in enough call centers to tell when someone is wandering around saying, "hey, anyone know how to fix [this obscure issue]?" Invaribly, they come back on within 5 minutes or so, "This should work, so and so has seen this before."

    I enjoy the great documentation and smooth support on their business line. I avoid the home line whenever possible. I have noticed that a lot of the Dell Latitude Laptops in years past have really crappy internal wireless; an electronics engineer informed me that he thought Dell had cut corners on some of the Lats by not hooking up proper internal antennas in the shells. We have a client with a huge wireless setup in a hotel, and if they have signal problems it's almost always a Sony Vaio, a Dell Latitude or a pre-2004 Mac.

    1. Re:Dell rocks, or sucks, depending on service tag by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      I think that applies to other computer companies, not just Dell. If you buy the consumer level goods (laptops, desktops) you're in for a ride. OTOH, if you spend just a little more and buy the business-level products, you get a machine that is going to last a few years longer.

      We've done a good bit of business with Dell over the years. Support has been fairly good, but I'm not taken with it enough to continue buying Dell (or any other proprietary solution). Instead, we're switching to simply building our own for about 2/3s to 3/4 of the cost of Dell's products.

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  80. Re:Express Service Code-Between What??? by d3am0n · · Score: 1

    Ask for the repeat queue call number, there's one where you can enter in an extention and get past all the phone menu's except for the first one. The guy in charge of our site mentioned that Dell used to have about 15,000 phone #'s and we've whittled it down to something like 8000. So yea, for the most part of the day when I'm looking at the queue though, at it's peak it gets to about 33 people waiting with around 3 minutes hold time, I've seen it get upto around 89 people waiting with about a 10 minute hold time which I still wouldn't consider bad since I've been on hold alot longer with operations much smaller than Dell.

  81. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by westlake · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing that since you don't know how his system is confiqured or how he uses it your guesses are worthless.

  82. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Funny
  83. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by bruno.fatia · · Score: 1

    ..we flew to the Moon and back using a computer with 32kb of RAM.

    No, you made a movie about how would be moon and told everybody in the planet it was true. And they belived.

  84. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by contrapunctus · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Why buy a car that can go 150mph when its illegal and unfeasible to drive it at that speed?
    1. Because usually they come with good accelaration and it's a safety issue to reach highway speeds on the ramp so you can merge with traffic.
    2. They are made better.
    3. If a maniac is after me, I can outrun him/her. (Or insert any emergency).
  85. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by shiftless · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First, people like to overcompensate for things they could never use but for status. Why buy a car that can go 150mph when its illegal and unfeasible to drive it at that speed?

    Illegal? Sure, on public roads. Doesn't stop people from doing it. I've been to 150 MPH plenty of times on the interstate and on long, straight, clear highways. And there are plenty of race courses where you can take your car to stretch its legs, legally.

    Furthermore, a car that can do 150 MPH generally has a lot more power than one that struggles to break 100, and it will thus accelerate much faster (at all speeds.) You might never get into a race in your life, but you might could use that extra acceleration when executing a tricky merge into heavy traffic.

    In conclusion, don't jump to the conclusion that every time someone buys something that you deem "excessive", that it's for the purpose of status or to show off. You are just into different things than other people are. When asked what a car is good for, you might say "getting from point A to point B". To me, the best part is the trip, not the destination.

  86. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by sharkey · · Score: 1

    Can you get XP Home 64-bit? If he's not running a 64-bit OS, it seems rather pointless to have 32GB of memory. Like installing Windows 95 on a dual CPU PC.

    Also note that DELL does not offer XP Home on their Precision line. The four available choices are: XP Pro, XP Pro 64-bit, Red Hat® Enterprise Linux WS v.4 (EM64T) and Windows VistaTM -capable.

    Of course, since he's kind of the BMOC, he can install what he wants, but he'll have trouble trying to get help from "Steve" Nahasapeemapetilon due to his non-standard setup.

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  87. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by adrianmonk · · Score: 1
    First, people like to overcompensate for things they could never use but for status. Why buy a car that can go 150mph when its illegal and unfeasible to drive it at that speed?

    Illegal? Yeah.

    Unfeasible? After owning a Toyota Corolla for 13 years, I recently bought a car which is electronically limited to 130 mph, and which I have no doubt would otherwise be capable of 150 mph. And here's the funny thing about it: the handling on this car (an Audi A3) is sooooo much better than on my old car that I feel comfortable going much higher speeds. In the Corolla, I could safely cruise at 70 mph or 75 mph, but any faster and I felt that I was pushing the limits. In the new car, everything feels absolutely rock solid at 80 mph or 90 mph or even 100 mph. So much so that I've found myself going 100 mph while passing someone on the highway without really realizing it.

    I haven't experimented with anything over 100 mph. (I am not a speed demon. I haven't had a traffic ticket in 7 years.) But if I were on a road trip out in the desert with ideal conditions on a straight, flat road and very little traffic (such as out in west Texas), I don't know that it would be that much of a stretch to think of cruising at 100 mph as safe. Or maybe even faster speeds. And this is just an Audi A3, the bottom-of-the-line Audi that you can buy for under $30,000. If I had a true sports car, I might feel safe cruising at 125 mph or even at 150 mph. (They do that in Germany, after all.)

  88. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secondly, computers age quite fast. If you buy a computer, it is reasonable to overcompensate because in 2-3 years an average computer will be out of date and underpowered. The top of the line computer today will be the below average in 5 years but you still can get some life out of it.

    That thinking is no longer current (but it was back in the late 90s up until around 2001). Back in the late 90s, things were improving at a very fast rate. Processor power doubled roughly every 12-15 months on average. So that 4 year old machine might only be 1/16th the speed of a more modern machine.

    Fast forward to 2001's machines. How much faster were the 2005 machines? Only about 2x to 3x faster over a 4 year span. Multi-core is going to change that a bit, but that's one of the few games in town for increasing performance. (Process shrinks might help, some...) My 4 year old 1.7GHz laptop isn't the speediest thing on the block anymore, but the 1GB of RAM keeps it usable.

    RAM is the secret to longevity. Buy a slightly slower CPU and use the savings to double the RAM installed. That's an old trick that we've been using for 10 years. Nowadays, I'd even say go for the fastest dual-core CPU you can afford while still being able to purchase 2GB of RAM.

    A midline machine with enough RAM could easily see lifespans in the 6 year range (give or take a year). With care and the purchase of a dual-core machine, that could extend out another 1-3 years. Especially if the user isn't doing CPU-intensive tasks that require the latest and greatest CPU power.

    Heck, I'm still retiring machines that were purchased in 1998-2000 before my time. We're replacing them with ~$1000 machines that are dual-core, 2GB RAM, 80GB HDs, including MS Office Pro and XP Pro. Between the dual-core and the 2GB of RAM, I won't be surprised to see some of them lasting until 2020 in the less demanding roles. As long as we don't fry any motherboards or CPUs, that is. About the only upgrade that might be needed 4 years from now is a RAM boost to 4GB.

  89. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

    PCs are becoming overconfigured underused status symbols and far less utilitarian.

    Which decade are you from? That was just as true back in the mid-90s as it is today. It was probably even true back in the mid-80s (look at who got the color terminals on their desk while the peons worked in green/white or amber/white).

    OTOH, I work at a company where that doesn't hold true. The people who need the CPU power get the fastest and newest machines, with the slightly used 2 year old machine going to the less demanding users. It probably helps that it's a small business where the management structure is loose enough not to get hung up on "toys".

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  90. yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...he doesn't have a hovercraft full of eels yet, so he's still not cool. Wealthy, but not cool...

  91. Raise the roof... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those cheap bastards! They should at least spring for the 60" roof!

  92. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by pe1chl · · Score: 1

    I have bought several relatively high-end systems over time, and I don't care about spending the money.
    But even then, there is little justification for going the last few percent.

    Look at tables of prices of processors or harddisks vs capacity. The price per unit of performance of capacity is increasing dramatically at the high end.
    As new options become available (faster processors, larger disks) the prices of what once was the fastest or largest relatively drop most.

    So, when you really want 3.2 instead of 3.0 GHz, or 500 instead of 400 GB, go ahead. But you are burning your money.

  93. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I seriously doubt the man watches porn on his computer. With his kind of money, he can have live perfomances at home.

  94. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

    But we're talking about his home PC. I would be surprised if he'd set up a domain controller in his home.

  95. Express Service Code-Call centers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A book I highly recommend. One may not be in a position to impliment them, but there's something to learn though.

  96. Re:hmmm, some generic info about CEO Dell's home P by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    You can actually add the security tab to windows XP home, it's fairly trivial (if you know computers). Here is just on of the many wonderful links google delivered. http://www.scottxp.com/winxp.php