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Firefox Crop Circles Prove Intelligent Alien Life

This past weekend, the OSU Linux Users Group descended on a field in Oregon to create a 45,000+ square foot crop circle of Firefox. The photos and write-up are worth checking out.

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  1. Bonus geek points for not using GPS by XorNand · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bonus geek points for using an HP graphing calculator and string instead of GPS. Though I'm not quite sure why the farmers would give permission for parts of their crop to be destroyed (even if he/she's an OSS advocate).

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    1. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 4, Funny

      Probably something about getting the kids out of the basement, even for just a couple days.

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    2. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by Tweekster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      maybe the crop was already in bad shape to begin with...not much to salvage etc. OR he is letting that field lay fallow (or grow a different crop but not harvest it) so he doesnt care if it is messed up a bit.

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    3. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

      A field of dos would be quite fertile, however you might have some trouble growing lotus flowers on it.

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    4. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by RingDev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't look to close, but it was either grass hay or weat. ~43,000 square feet = 1 acre. 1 acre = what, like 60 bushels of wheat? A bushel of wheat is probably under $4. Even if the crop was completely unsalvagable, which is unlikely, the farmer is out $240 gross proffit. After associated costs per acre (seed, fuel, time, etc...) the farmer is probably turning $40 per acre if he's lucky.

      Not exactly a huge loss, or anti-green movement.

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    5. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by vidarh · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article says it was oats, and wikipedia lists a typical yield as 100 bushels an acre, and a quick Google search indicates a per bushel average price for oats around the $1.50 mark, so it seems like it's even lower. Considering the large unfilled parts of the symbol, even if all of the stomped on parts are unsalvageble the real lost revenue would be unlikely to be more than half that.

    6. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by gordonel · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was an 80 acre field - we only stomped down a very small portion of it (perhaps half an acre). They'll be harvesting the whole thing in a week or two.

    7. Re:Bonus geek points for not using GPS by bcat24 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think a field DOS would run you about 640K.

  2. auto generated crop circle... by aapold · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not implying that this is, but... how hard would it be to make a web gadget that would auto-generate an image of a crop circle based on a simple 2-color bitmap.... (image only, don't want something that hacks into automated tractors)...

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    1. Re:auto generated crop circle... by Tx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Check this worth1000 contest, a few entries are oustanding. Mid-to-high level Photoshoppery, but not outstandingly hard stuff.

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  3. At least these make sense. by Humming+Frog · · Score: 5, Funny

    It makes sense that geeks would be the ones making crop circles. Aliens surely have better things to do.

    1. Re:At least these make sense. by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Funny

      What do you mean? The aliens were in an adjacent field, doing work that Americans are too lazy/cool to do.

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  4. The Aliens use open source? by FortKnox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe that's how Jeff Goldblum uploaded the virus to the mothership...

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  5. Oregonian Entertainment by NoData · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess that's how you amuse yourself when you live in Idaho's Portugal.

  6. This proves what life? by 27,000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It proves a collection of browser zealots have plenty of free time and not much else to do with it. I mean, cool advertising, but some extraterrestrial's gotta be laughing at us.

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  7. Bonus for getting permission from the farmer. by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Otherwise, I'd have to suggest the perpetrators be sentenced to muck-out a feedlot or two.

    "Use Open-Source on My FARM!?! That's what did more damage to my oats than a hailstorm followed by locusts last year!"

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  8. Just what Firefox needs by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This makes the local news (and maybe gets picked up somewhere), and a few pissed off IE6 users might hear "Firefox, firefox, firefox" a few more times. And that might be all it takes for a few hundred more converts.

  9. Nice to see... by Alioth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nice to see at least someone wearing a kilt.

    Also, as for the naysayers, I suspect the farmer gave permission because:
    - that many people milling around the farm would have been noticed
    - taking off a light plane AND a Robinson R22 helo off the farm would certainly get noticed by the farmer.

    1. Re:Nice to see... by pennyher0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The farmer DID give permission. It says so right in the write up. She seemed really excited to have us and was sad that her husband was out of the state and might not see it before the circle goes away.

  10. So much fun! by pennyher0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This was probably the most fun I ever had in my life. And now it's on slashdot! It can't get any better!

    I challenge others to come up with other ways to creatively promote the stuff they love. Try and beat this! muahahaha. :)

    TAKE BACK THE [insert your geek-dom here].

    1. Re:So much fun! by Ponga · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, which one are you in the photos? Also, there was a GIRL present? A REAL one??
      Thanks,
      --Ponga

      P.S. - Nice work!!

    2. Re:So much fun! by pennyher0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      me and gordonel!

      *does the girl geek dance*

    3. Re:So much fun! by ptbarnett · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Is that a Super Decathalon that I see?

      It's a Super Cub. See this picture:

      http://lug.oregonstate.edu/gallery/firefox-crop-ci rcle/dscn1024

      Someone else brought a Robinson R22, too:

      http://lug.oregonstate.edu/gallery/firefox-crop-ci rcle/mg_5513

  11. In related news ... by eck011219 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... one Washington farmer reported a complete loss after IE enthusiasts recreated a blue screen of death across his soybean field.

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    1. Re:In related news ... by Kelson · · Score: 4, Funny
      one Washington farmer reported a complete loss after IE enthusiasts recreated a blue screen of death across his soybean field.

      Sure, anyone can flood a field with water!

  12. trigger happy photographer by binarybum · · Score: 5, Funny

    man, talk about beating the magic out something - that's a hell of a lot of pictures.

        but I guess sometimes it's just really hard to decide between posting this shot or this one on your website.

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    1. Re:trigger happy photographer by Ponga · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree with you generally, but this is not always a bad thing. It's only bad when EVERY SINGLE PHOTO taken gets posted or printed or whatever. Photographers nowadays need to become editors/critics as well, weed out the wheat from the chaff. So what if you take 1000 photos? Just be sure to only post the 100 best and discard the rest! (which this guy obviously did not do.)
      --Ponga

  13. Best arial shots here by Ponga · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you dont want to bother looking through all the pics (lots!) - here are the best arial shots: http://lug.oregonstate.edu/gallery/firefox-crop-ci rcle?page=12

  14. The crops are valueless. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Though I'm not quite sure why the farmers would give permission for parts of their crop to be destroyed (even if he/she's an OSS advocate)."

    Because of the subsidies the crops have been overproduced into worthlessness. In the case of corn it fetches something around $2 per bushel on the open market, but $3 per bushel to grow the stuff. You the taxpayer, well, essentially burn money to keep farmers buzzing around on their big tonka toys feeling productive.

    Oh and in the process, devastating the economies and agricultural markets of third world countries causing widespread famine and poverty.

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    1. Re:The crops are valueless. by vidarh · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You miss the point. By exporting heavily subsidized food the industrialised countries are not only depriving third world countries of farming revenue from export, but as a result also upsetting their trade balance and making it hard for third world farmers to compete even in their own markets. One of the results is that a lot of third world farming have changed from focusing on foodcrops to crops that are higher income because the industrialised countries aren't subsidising them or aren't growing them, such as coffee, tobacco etc.

      A significant effect of this is that many third world countries are far more vulnerable to things like drought than they used to be, as their own foodcrops are small to start with, and droughts now for many countries both devastate their revenues - affecting their ability to pay for food imports - and reduce the yields of their already too small food crops. Whereas with mainly food crops, drought would mean reduced exports and revenue, but still leave them with significant food reserves.

      There are certainly examples of mismanagement too, such as Zimbabwe, but corruption is rarely a major factor in affecting the levels of food production.

    2. Re:The crops are valueless. by gkhan1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually it does. Large scale agriculture, the kind that turns the 3rd world to the 1st world is 100% reliant on trade. If they cannot sell it, they cannot grow very much of it. Ergo, make no money and they cannot develop to the point where they can survive a drought. Ergo, they starve. By so heavily subsidizing 1st world agriculture (like the US and the EU does), they are indeed devastating many economies that could become quite fruitful. And for what? Making sure that 2% of the population will vote for them? This is not a "Well, it's not like we are making the situation worse" scenario, this is a "My neighbours house is on fire, but I don't want to spend a little money for water from my hose" kind of a situation.

    3. Re:The crops are valueless. by triffid_98 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I believe the issue is that if it's cheaper to buy corn from overseas than to produce it locally in your african desert region of choice, then there is no money to buy things that cannot be produced by the farmer and are needed for farming (e.g. fertilizer, seed, tools), therefore you have yet another african family of 12 to stare at in the latest Sally Struthers 'save the children' infomercial.

      Of course, since no one is forcing said country to buy corn from overseas at the expense of their own people you can just as easily place the blame there.

      thats right, because if they could grow corn and sell it they could feed themselves... wait. Why don't they sell/barter it locally? They do not need to enter the American market.
    4. Re:The crops are valueless. by flink · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Of course, since no one is forcing said country to buy corn from overseas at the expense of their own people you can just as easily place the blame there.

      Depending on whether the country in question has gone through "debt restructuring" via the IMF, then yes, someone may be forcing them to buy imported produce. Or they might be forced to cease offering subsidies to their own farmers and export their own produce.
    5. Re:The crops are valueless. by triffid_98 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't recall mentioning subsidies, merely buying the local farmers product at whatever 'market price' equates to. As for IMF restucturing, I'm unaware of any such requirement (on imported produce). Can you provide an example?

      Depending on whether the country in question has gone through "debt restructuring" via the IMF, then yes, someone may be forcing them to buy imported produce. Or they might be forced to cease offering subsidies to their own farmers and export their own produce.
    6. Re:The crops are valueless. by FSWKU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *sigh*...Slashdot: From Tech Article to Political Wanking in 3 posts...

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    7. Re:The crops are valueless. by hcob$ · · Score: 2, Insightful
      By exporting heavily subsidized food the industrialised countries are not only depriving third world countries of farming revenue from export, but as a result also upsetting their trade balance and making it hard for third world farmers to compete even in their own markets.
      Sure, let's kill off the main source of income for a large portion of the midwest and south... Nothing like a nice boost to inflation, jobless/welfare claims, foreclosures, and everyone's grocery bill to make you feel all nice and cozy in your insane and impossible world.

      You want to see a stressful job? Go sit around the table of a family that owns a farm during one of the worst draughts in the past 50 years. Try explaining to the children there that you think it's better to take away their father's job, farm, their house, and throw them on welfare because some "third world" country needs the US's support more.
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    8. Re:The crops are valueless. by delinear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Go sit around the table of any family where the main bread-winner's business is not making enough money and you'll see the same. The only difference is that everyone else doesn't then receive massive subsidies from the government to keep their failing business ticking over. If the business is failing, get out of it and into something else.

      It might actually benefit the economy to not be pouring so much money into a huge sink - sure the result may be some short-term job losses, but more money in circulation will eventually balance that out. The need to heavily subsidise farmers existed in the past, it no longer exists, and while helping out third world farmers might not be top of your list of priorities, if you can do that as a side effect of fixing your own economy, everyone wins.

  15. Missing component by Zildy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't the tail in the logo supposed to be on fire?

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  16. OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look at the size of that thing! It's almost as big as Firefox' memory footprint!

  17. Google Satellite Image by oskard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Maybe the google earth cameras picked it up! "

    Hope they will soon!

    The location of the crop circle is somewhere in the vicinity of here

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    1. Re:Google Satellite Image by emsearcy · · Score: 2, Informative

      er, no. Try 45.124N by 123.113W. Not that you can see it (yet).

    2. Re:Google Satellite Image by binarybum · · Score: 4, Funny

      Google does not own a network of satellites

          Oh man, I think it's hilarious that you believe that. Sure... Google doesn't own a network of satellites, and they're not watching you right now either, and they're not building lasers on the moon either... Hey, whatever lets you sleep at night dude.

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    3. Re:Google Satellite Image by Kelson · · Score: 4, Funny
      and they're not building lasers on the moon either

      I'd always wondered what they needed that moon base for!

  18. Re:This is just way cool.... by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great pics, especialy the good looking lil geek babe in pic #77. Bonus!

    At the moment; viewed 98 times

    Close up of tape measure; 73 times

    Out of focus closeup of oats; 68 times

    Geek guy; 47 times

    Well, there you have it guys, you're less interesting than an out of focus picture of oats.

    KFG

  19. Raise your hand!... by JustASlashDotGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will all virgins please raise their hands... http://lug.oregonstate.edu/gallery/firefox-crop-ci rcle/img_5374_1

  20. Enthusiastic users by sunny256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really awesome stunt. Would any MSIE users do something like this to show their enthusiasm for the product? Probably not. This stunt is somewhat the same principle as when geeks on Linux meetings bring their penguins with them in all shapes and sizes. I mean, you don't see MS Windows users arrive with big amounts of glass...

    1. Re:Enthusiastic users by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Funny
      I mean, you don't see MS Windows users arrive with big amounts of glass...


      Well, no. They bring paperclips.

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  21. Re:WTF Are you talking about you fool? by bellebouche · · Score: 4, Funny

    I suspect an overabundance of sugar in your diet.

  22. Where do you think your overproduction goes? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's right, with the subsidies, the american produce is cheaper than they can produce in the developing and third world. Imagine that, you have a farmer with American wages to pay, capital investment in equipment, debts to the banks and with the subsidies it's still cheaper to ship the stuff half way round the world.

    The farmers in the third world can't enter the American market, the American market is busy dumping the produce on their market.

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  23. Re:This is just way cool.... by pennyher0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, that's my OLD BLOG. Don't GO THERE.

    I'm at pennyhero.net now. my blogspot one is going bye bye.

  24. August 11th 2006. Corn futures... $2.42 per bushel by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&si d=aIUBO99o5fTw&refer=home

    On the open market. What part of the word "subsidies" don't you understand? The "profit" you're getting a cut of is welfare. It's handed to you still warm from the taxpayers wallet.

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  25. I wouldn't say valueless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That great big overhead shot finally gave me something to change my wallpaper to! Sorry Elisha Cuthbert.. you will be missed.

  26. Re:I've been in tighter packed corn fields.... by gordonel · · Score: 3, Informative

    This isn't corn. These were oats. Dry as sin oats, growing densely together. It was impossible to step anywhere without knocking some down, because they're so closely packed together, and were already just about falling down under their own weight. It was a choice between making a bunch of trails which would have been seen from the air as an ugly, less dense area, or making one trail.

  27. Re:I've been in tighter packed corn fields.... by rts008 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a former rancher, you should then know the difference between wheatfields (RTFA, or look at the pics with all of the heads formed on the wheat) and cornfields.

    Ahh...I get it! I guess that is one of the reasons you're a FORMER rancher.

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  28. Re:WTF Are you talking about you fool? by maxume · · Score: 3, Funny

    Couldn't you get a cut of the profit if you only helped with the crops but stayed away from your grandpa's shit? He sounds like one cranky old dude.

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  29. Crop Circle Wallpaper by JeepFanatic · · Score: 3, Informative

    For anyone too lazy to do it themselves, I've made 1600x1200 and 1280x1024 wallpaper files of the cropcircle image.

  30. the girl geek dance? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think most of us here are only familiar with girls dancing when there is a pole involved.

  31. Income by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, let's kill off the main source of income for a large portion of the midwest and south... Nothing like a nice boost to inflation, jobless/welfare claims, foreclosures, and everyone's grocery bill to make you feel all nice and cozy in your insane and impossible world.

    That "income" for the Midwest and South comes from every U.S. taxpayer. Why are we spending billions to encourage farmers to plant fields that would be more productive razed? That will just go to waste? That worsen the problem of low crop prices by encouraging farmers to flood the market? It's expensive and counterproductive, and benefits large corporate plantations - the people who lobby for these price supports - more than anyone else.

    explaining to the children there that you think it's better to take away their father's job, farm, their house, and throw them on welfare because some "third world" country needs the US's support more.

    Bullshit. Nobody's "supporting" the third world by eliminating farm subsidies. Every dollar per bushel taxpayers give to a farmer lets him sell his crops one more dollar below cost. If crop X costs $2/bushel for both American and African farmers to produce but American farmers get $1/bushel in subsidies, the cost of the African crop will be double relative to the American's crop. Eliminating the subsidies doesn't give free money to third world countries - it just lets them sell their crops, like everyone else.

    This also means crop X will be more expensive - even if the crop sells for "less" because of the subsidies, remember that it still cost $2/bushel to make in addition to the $1/bushel of subsidies.

    These subsidies also produce wastage - farmers will grow much, much more of crop X at $3/bushel the government effectively gives them than they will at the $2/bushel the free market will give. Remember that the free market doesn't want to buy all of this - farmers are growing more because they get more money for it, not because there's anybody to actually buy it. Besides wasting perfectly good land and resources, farming has environmental consequences such as water contamination from runoff and the chemicals and pesticides used on a modern farm, not to mention the fuel usage of modern farming implements.

    Early societies began to evolve from subsistence-level standards of living when it became possible for one man to grow more than he immediately needed, allowing him to sell the rest. Because others could buy food instead of growing it themselves, this allowed for the specialization and division of labor - not everyone had to be farmers, they could do something else for a living.

    Farm subsidies artificially make it cheaper to buy imported food from abroad than to grow it domestically. This is the "real" support to third world countires. It also prevents this critical first step for the evolution of third world societies - nobody will ever grow food (or, at least more food than they need for themselves) if they can buy it cheaper than they can grow it. And, most people will agree that nobody growing food in a starving country is a Bad thing.

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  32. Cool experiment. Aside from brand loyalty. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Funny
    This does little to suggest that genuine crop circles were made by a teams of prankster engineering students.

    To create an authentic circle, the makers would have to. . .

    1. Create the circle entirely at night without any lighting systems. (In none of the several thousand circles formed have pranksters been observed.)

    2. Leave no impressions on the earth at all. (No foot prints or ladder or pole impressions on powder-dry or moist earth.)

    3. Create a much more complex formation.

    4. Make sure the flattened grains fall in mathematically precise overlapping weaves. (In authentic circles, the multi-layered pattern of the weave is one of the mystifying features.)

    5. No plant stalks may be damaged during the process. (Real circles do not interrupt the life-process of the plants; In such formations, the plants eventfully spring back up entirely undamaged.)

    6. Bend the stalks, never break them.

    7. Create the formation in under 20 minutes. (Probably circles are formed instantaneously, but the only observed time lapse has been by a pilot and photographer flying over an a field without a circle only to see one twenty minutes later on a return flight path).

    8. Witness unnumbered black helicopters coming to check things out.

    9. Create the phenomenon of seeds from inside a formation growing in a peculiar manner as compared to control seed samples.

    Do all of this, and the firefox logo would indeed be special.


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