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Cleaning Electronics with Sugar

legoburner writes "Instructables.com has an article on removing logos from your PDAs or Cell Phones using sugar. Basically, the sugar crystals are strong enough to remove the logo (sticker), but are too soft to scratch the casing leaving it unscathed. The article has many pictures of the process as well as a thorough walkthrough. Let the rebranding of all your electronics begin!"

121 comments

  1. Rather not by You're+a+dick! · · Score: 0

    I've cleaned logos off a ton of things, and using sugar is something I've never considered. Unlikely that I will test this out too.

    In the past, I have used coins, fingernails, scouring pads (like on the back of a kitchen sponge) and even a toothbrush. These all worked great in their instances and I've never had a problem with it.

    1. Re:Rather not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      coins, fingernails, and scouring pads didnt scratch the plastic? I think you need to find a new brand of scouring pad :S

    2. Re:Rather not by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Try the scouring pad on the back of a cheap foam+scouring pad from the dollar store. Because they're so cheap, they're really soft - which is what you want.

      Or you can just breathe on them and peel them off - keep breathing on it as you pull - the moisture in your breathe breaks the adhesive bond. You should be able to pull the logo off a car that way on a hot day.

    3. Re:Rather not by Squalish · · Score: 1

      I've found the opposite - sponge/scouring pads seem to be surprisingly low grit compared to liquid abrasives - less rough than steel wool, but not by that much. Paintjobs have been sacrificed to find this out - I don't recommend it.

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    4. Re:Rather not by PezJunkie42 · · Score: 1

      Agreed... I have some aluminum baking sheets and the scrubby side of the sponge will visibly scratch and/or scuff those without any effort.

    5. Re:Rather not by starrsoft · · Score: 1

      I prefer Bitter Sarcasm (CmdrTaco) for removing stickers from electronics. Furthermore, ever since I spilled a Coke on a keyboard as a kid, the whole idea of sugar (read: sticky) to clean electronics is more than slightly repulsive. Maybe it also has something to (entirely illogically) do with sugar in gas tanks, but I have a very knee-jerk reaction to using sugar on electronics. Sugar is something I would try not to spill on electronics.

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  2. One sweet PDA? by GIL_Dude · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess the sugar makes it one sweet PDA?

  3. Hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Isn't sugar also small enough to slip through any holes on the product though? I wouldn't want bits in my electronics rattling about.

    1. Re:Hm... by Albert+Sandberg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Isn't sugar also small enough to slip through any holes on the product though? I wouldn't want bits in my electronics rattling about.

      I suppose this is why he uses tape to cover other parts than the ones he's cleaning

    2. Re:Hm... by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      Why would one care to do this? Is it some kind of stand against corporate entities?

  4. Sweet by MrSteveSD · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sweet!

    1. Re:Sweet by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1

      Dude!

    2. Re:Sweet by geenome · · Score: 1

      Sick!

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  5. Anyone else more interested in the by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Funny

    DIY stripper pole that was advertised on the left side?

    1. Re:Anyone else more interested in the by novus+ordo · · Score: 1

      I have 5 installed. Hard time getting auditions though.

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    2. Re:Anyone else more interested in the by Mad_Rain · · Score: 3, Funny

      hmmm... I wonder if there is a connection between that link and only 40 posts over the last hour. ;)

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  6. pour some sugar on me.... by acedotcom · · Score: 1, Interesting

    or my phone. why would i do that to my $200 razr?

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    1. Re:pour some sugar on me.... by bcat24 · · Score: 1

      Because it'll give you a flippin' sweet phone!

    2. Re:pour some sugar on me.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that phone should have been given to you for close to nothing. I don't know anyone who paid more than $25 for it.

    3. Re:pour some sugar on me.... by acedotcom · · Score: 0, Troll

      wow, brain cancer huh. My phone works for meand what i need it for, thats that. i hope you go blind from all your frequent masterbation while watching gerbil porn.

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    4. Re:pour some sugar on me.... by acedotcom · · Score: 0

      i had to buy mine outside of the service and and i bought it from a retail store. i didnt want to but i am leary of buying phones from ebay.

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    5. Re:pour some sugar on me.... by Arker · · Score: 1

      why would i do that to my $200 razr?

      Umm, to remove some tacky crap that some moron stuck on it?

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    6. Re:pour some sugar on me.... by acedotcom · · Score: 0

      well i might be a fuckhead. HOWEVER if you are willing to get into its software a little bit it can be a great phone. Most of the Cingular branding is gone form my phone. I am just not to keen on sugaring my phone.

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    7. Re:pour some sugar on me.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      $200 razr


      So, you are the @$$hole who is making it difficult for me to buy a cheap, sturdy and usable, no-frills mobile phone.
    8. Re:pour some sugar on me.... by acedotcom · · Score: 0

      sorry dude, it wasnt my choice. I needed a new one

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  7. See? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 4, Funny

    ``Cleaning Electronics with Sugar''

    See? I've always told my mom that nothing bad was going to happen because of me eating candy over my keyboard. It even keeps it clean!

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    1. Re:See? by prichardson · · Score: 1

      "Please correct me if my facts are wrong."

      (from the parents signature, for those who have them disabled)

      I don't even know where to begin... :-)

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    2. Re:See? by spungebob · · Score: 1

      Well... you could begin by explaining how you managed to get YOUR facts wrong. The fact that you misquoted the parent's sig makes me think that you may have some special insight into the process. :)

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    3. Re:See? by prichardson · · Score: 1

      Truthfully, I misremembered it. I'm not sure what that does to the joke. Perhaps it does enhance it?

      I never noticed before that replying to comments strips away the signatures. Why is that anyway? You hear that slashdot?

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    4. Re:See? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > replying to comments strips away the signatures. Why is that anyway?

      My guess is because if you are replying to a signature, it's most likely off-topic. Unless someone's sig happens to apply to the discussion at hand.

    5. Re:See? by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Yes, the sticky sugary substance which has coated your keyboard is candy.

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  8. I wish I knew sooner by maxrate · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know how much smack I've wasted doing the same thing?

    1. Re:I wish I knew sooner by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      Dude, I love that cereal. Especially after a little weed...

    2. Re:I wish I knew sooner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh! you say Dude and you use Weed, how utterly Cool you must be!

    3. Re:I wish I knew sooner by ZiakII · · Score: 1

      Dude have you seen his car?

    4. Re:I wish I knew sooner by hesiod · · Score: 1

      Oh! You make pointless jabs at someone on Slashdot because their hobbies and vernacular differ from yours. How utterly boring you must be.

  9. Careful doing this by popo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This technique works great on PDA's and phones where the natural casing texture is what's under the logo,
    but if you've got a 'chromed' phone/PDA (particularly with a color), you may find yourself scratching off
    the background color as well.

    Sometimes the logos are actually printed in 'negative', where the background color 'is' the print and the
    logo is negative space.

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  10. Ob. Simpsons quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women."

    1. Re:Ob. Simpsons quote by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      Har!

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  11. Hmm by xinu · · Score: 4, Funny

    Words of advice: don't add water when rubbing off the logo.

    My hands are stiiicky...

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My hands are sticky too but I've been rubbing something else off.

  12. Much easier way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've used this to strip logos before, as long as the plastic can take it, this will wipe them off with only one or two "swipes".

    1. Re:Much easier way... by treeves · · Score: 1

      A look at the MSDS shows 60-80% NMP (n-methylpyrrolidone). That will damage many plastics. Be warned.

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  13. In other news... by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

    Columbians relying solely on the instructable and cannot read or speak english use highly corrosive cocaine on their electronics.

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  14. Toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Toothpaste has a very mild abrasive that's great for removing things, but it's a great way to remove small scratches.

    1. Re:Toothpaste by backwardMechanic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Brasso works well too. A little bit more aggressive than toothpaste. They make a nice two step process.

    2. Re:Toothpaste by DittoBox · · Score: 1

      Finish off with a little bit of low viscosity liquid car wax, this works great on lacquered or non-painted plastic surfaces. If you've got really deep scratches that just won't come you could always try paste car wax or if you're really brave rubbing compound (the latter is used for very deep scrateches and surface rust on cars...be careful). Again be careful what surface you any waxes or pastes and the like on, they're not always meant for the surface you're going to use them on.

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    3. Re:Toothpaste by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      And Pledge. You can't go wrong with Pledge.

    4. Re:Toothpaste by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Funny

      One of my friends has a grandmother that is somewhat abrasive.

      The only difference is that she doesn't remove scratches, she inflicts them.

      Maybe not so useful in this context :o\

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    5. Re:Toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kick her in her old grey snatch and see how she likes it

  15. Cleaning your PDA with sugar?! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Put the straw down, step away from the sugar bag and put your hands on your head, sugar junkie!

    1. Re:Cleaning your PDA with sugar?! by TheDreadSlashdotterD · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Soviet America, sugar rubs out YOU!

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  16. What about? by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 0

    What about the age old simple solution? Just gently peel a edge of the sticker up a little bit and use Zippo (or Ronsonal or whatever the local liquid fuel lighter fuel is) to dissolve the glue? Ironically I just did this last night to the " Designed for Windows XP" sticker last night on my laptop....

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    1. Re:What about? by Badfysh · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think the stickers mentioned are actually the screen printed logos you get on a lot of kit these days. You're not supposed to use solvents like lighter fluid on plastics, although I have done it a few times and only ruined one Jornada 430. Incidentally, I fixed that by sanding down the whole front casing with fine emery paper, then I buffed it up with metal polish. It didn't look too bad, better than a half melted case anyway.

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    2. Re:What about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Please MOD up the parent...this guy is the first person who knows what he's talking about. The logo on the PDA from the article is not a sticker. It is in fact a screen printing or silk printing, which is just a layer of paint that has been applied to the surface and allowed to cool. We do this all the time at my factory facility.

  17. Sucralege! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sucralege!

    1. Re:Sucralege! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sacrelicious!

  18. Baking soda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I use baking soda to scrub when I want to reduce the chance of scratching.

  19. Snore by interval1066 · · Score: 0, Troll

    See sub.

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  20. But I thought... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

    And here I was thinking that people bought things only for the logo on them...

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    1. Re:But I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no this is slashdot.org. For that you want apple.com

  21. And those sticky label ion my laptop? by mdm42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now if someone could tell me how to remove those crappy "Designed for Windows XP" and "Centrino Mobile Technology" labels without leaving a residue or damaging or scratching the casing, I'd be ever so grateful.

    I hate those things.

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    1. Re:And those sticky label ion my laptop? by Carnivore · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm really good at this. The best way to remove the adhesive residue is to use the residue that stuck to the sticker when you pulled it off. Take the sticker, find an area that has adhesive on it, and stick that part on the residue on your computer. Push, twist, and pull straight out and the residue will roll off. It takes about 30 seconds, and you end up with a totally clean computer.

      It's especially useful for notebooks due to the sheer number of the things that they put on them.

    2. Re:And those sticky label ion my laptop? by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      I've been using that technique to clean labels off used DVD/video game cases for years. In most cases, it works.

    3. Re:And those sticky label ion my laptop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vegetable oil will wipe the adhesive right off.

    4. Re:And those sticky label ion my laptop? by Stunning+Tard · · Score: 2, Informative

      And once you got it all off you can replace it with a free ubuntu sticker.

    5. Re:And those sticky label ion my laptop? by GeneralAntilles · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pick up some Ronson lighter fluid (accept no substitutes! It has to contain naphtha) at your local drug store and put some on a paper towel and just rub the remaining adhesive off. It works well on any non-porous surface. I used to work at a used book shop and we used this stuff to get off just about any sticker imaginable, even those crazy big stickers some universities slap on their used books. http://www.ronsoncorp.com/accessories.cfm (big yellow container) Good luck!

    6. Re:And those sticky label ion my laptop? by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 1

      A great thing to remove sticky remnants is peanut butter.

      Apply just a little more than a four year old would, and then rub in a circular motion.

      When the sticky is gone, remove the peanut butter with a damp cloth.

      This works because the peanut butter has both oil and water based solvents in it.

    7. Re:And those sticky label ion my laptop? by a+strange+guy · · Score: 1

      Well my "Designed for Windows XP" - Sticker is made out of Aluminium, and I feel that it's the most durable part of my Dell Inspiron 6000. I would recommend a very sharp Knife, because anything else will break, or damage the Case.

    8. Re:And those sticky label ion my laptop? by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      A great thing to remove sticky remnants is peanut butter.

      Apply just a little more than a four year old would, and then rub in a circular motion.


            A four-year-old would use three tubs of peanut butter if he had them. That must be some hideous stickum on those things!

    9. Re:And those sticky label ion my laptop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problen at all! ;-) I covered them with these free ubuntu stickers, now on my laptop... LOL :-)

      http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=250996

  22. Something else that works by wkitchen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used some 3M Citrus based spray cleaner to get some old labels and label glue off of a monitor. After letting the cleaner sit for a few minutes, the label glue wiped off easily, as did the Dell logo. Totally clean, as if it had never been there. The plastic housing was unharmed. Didn't even dull the surface.

    1. Re:Something else that works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Be careful with the orange or citrus spray. On the one hand, it cleans most paper-based labels and most adhesive off with no damage at all. Spray on, wait five minutes, peel off - plus it leaves a nice scent.

      However - some older Compaq cases and some monitor housings are extremely reactive to the citrus. It bubbles away like something from the Alien movies - you have about enough time to utter a choice profanity before the plastic is completely burned away.

    2. Re:Something else that works by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > used some 3M Citrus based spray cleaner

      At work some people decided to use something like that (Citrace -- might be "industrial grade") to clean their keyboards. Turned them a nice, inconsistent, chalky grey.

  23. Just Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, legoburner beat Roland to this gem of a story!

  24. Wow! by eosp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I had no idea that OLPC was so useful.

  25. No, I'm New Here by New+Here · · Score: 0

    No, I'm New Here

  26. Sugar sounds good but I use to use this method.. by My+Iron+Lung · · Score: 1

    Lighter fluid, such as the kind that comes with a Zippo, works incredibly well for this purpose. I've used this on everything from CD cases to electronics to books. A small squirt of lighter fluid on the edges of the sticker.. then let it sit for a couple of minutes and soak it up. The sticker will fall right off, no matter how stubborn, and all adhesiveness will be lost. Wipe off the lighter fluid.. it can stain some books if you leave it too long.

  27. Electronic Contact Cleaner by funfail · · Score: 1

    I find that the best and easiest way to remove stickers is to use an electronic contact cleaner spray. It won't harm the plastic or electronic parts and won't leave any sticky marks.

    Just peel a few milimeters off the edge and spray through the opening. Wait for a few minutes for the spray to diffuse and dissolve the glue. The sticker will peel of by itself.

    1. Re:Electronic Contact Cleaner by waferhead · · Score: 1

      Contact cleaner can damage many types of plastic...
      Esp clear plastics.

      They usually don't melt, just get real brittle and/or crack up.
      (Craze)

  28. Blue eraser by Hiddenface · · Score: 1

    Don't mess with sugar, use the blue (rougher) side of a pencil eraser. It takes a whille but it works. Sugar on my gadgets sounds like a really bad idea.

  29. Use Autopolish dammit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why sugar? Thats stupid. Use a proper product like a fine automobile polish, i.e Autopolish
    This products are designed to remove a fine first coat, without doing damage to the paint.

  30. Great, that's all I need by shwonline · · Score: 2, Funny

    A cell phone that's a magnet for ants. Maybe if I use Equal instead...

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  31. WD40 by kerouacsgp · · Score: 1

    Sugar? Real men use WD40

  32. WD40 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    WD40 takes off the gunk left over by sticky labels. Don't spray it on there, use a cloth, then rub it until there is no trace of the gunk. All traces of the WD-40 itself can be removed using a dry cloth or some windex. I've heard this works well for bugs on your bumper too.

    Now if there was something that could get rid of that logo on my tv that stays in the bottom right corner when I'm on certain channels. That one is really anoyying.

  33. much easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've succesfully used my fingernail to scratch logos off phones.
    Too soft to scratch anything. Too hard to waste hours or precious carbohydrates.

  34. Look out for the DMCA Police by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

    Uh-oh, next thing you know the CIAA (Cellular Industry Association of America) will subpoena the web server logs of www.instructables.com and start slapping John Doe lawsuits on anyone who read the pages. After all, those phones have been heavily subsidized by the cellular providers, and carrying their branding is part of the unwritten contract between the consumer and the provider... it's not YOUR cell phone, you're just licensed to use it. /sarcasm

    Seriously though, I'm not as concerned about the logo printed on the phone as I am about removing some of those annoying provider splash screens and about removing the subsidy lock so I can slap in a local SIM when travelling abroad.

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  35. Re:Sugar sounds good but I use to use this method. by DynaWerx · · Score: 1

    Just don't get it anywhere near a Dell or Apple.

  36. Samsung vs. sugar 1 - 0 by aitio · · Score: 2, Informative

    My sweet cell phone now has sweet scratches and the logo's still there.

    So use only the most fragile sugar you can find.

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    1. Re:Samsung vs. sugar 1 - 0 by DittoBox · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you shouldn't have used Sugar In The Raw...

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  37. But... by RKenshin1 · · Score: 1

    I suppose this is why he uses tape to cover other parts than the ones he's cleaning

    Which then, of course, requires suguar to remove the tape residue... Clearly a plot by the Mexican sugar industry.

  38. Re:Sugar sounds good but I use to use this method. by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can attest to this. Part of our business where I work is refelting pool tables. To hold the felt in place at the edges we use 3M Super 77 spray glue (banned in California). The only and I mean ONLY way to get the glue off of the slate is by using lighter fluid. The stuff is simply amazing at removing just about anything solvent based. When we clean the crap off of our other equipment we use :

    Wildcat tape remover (for lightweight labels and tape residue)
    Ronsonol lighter fluid (for high-strength decals, grease, tar, gum, etc)
    Sudsing ammonia (will strip many kinds of ink, plus cigarette tar)
    99% Isopropyl alcohol (removes permanent marker, flux, some silkscreen inks)
    Mr. Clean Magic Eraser
    Novus scratch removal system
    Mother's aluminum polish

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  39. No reason for abrasives. by atverd · · Score: 1

    Used "Goo Gone" many times for similar things and it removes even very old and dirty sticker glue just perfectly.
    Cut from their site:
    Goo Gone safely removes: gum tar crayon fresh paint tree sap oil and grease blood ink asphalt scuff marks tape and tape residue makeup, lipstick and mascara adhesives candle wax kitchen grease shoe polish soap scum bumper stickers duct tape bicycle chain grease

    http://www.magicamerican.com/googone.shtml

  40. Goo Gone by PapayaSF · · Score: 1

    I use Goo Gone for getting stickers and adhesive residue off of books and such, and since it doesn't damage paperback books, it should be fine for plastic surfaces. It's available at most any hardware store.

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  41. Poll Suggestion: Favorite Logo Remover? by sepelester · · Score: 2, Informative
    Sucrose (Cane Sugar)
    Saccharin (Sweet'N Low)
    Aspartame (Nutrasweet)
    Sucralose (Splenda)
    Honey (Bees)
    Maple Sugar (Trees)
    Sodium Chloride (Salt)
    Bitter Sarcasm (CmdrTaco)

    I'd go for the CmdrTaco option. But only after applying a sweet sugar coating on the device, letting him lick the tasty sticker off it.

    And yes, I realise I will be branded a pervert after this post.

  42. Re:Sugar sounds good but I use to use this method. by ultranova · · Score: 1

    Lighter fluid, such as the kind that comes with a Zippo, works incredibly well for this purpose. I've used this on everything from CD cases to electronics to books.

    I don't think that mixing flammable liquids, electronics that heat up enough to vaporize (and possibly even ignite) them, and electric current is neccessarily a very good idea. Especially since lighter fluid works well as a cleaner because it's a dissolver, and many such dissolvers are capable of dissolving plastics - like the ones used in electric insulators.

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  43. UPMOD by fbartho · · Score: 0, Redundant

    the comment is appropriate and relevant to the grandparent's statement. The grandparent's statement was asking for therefore this doesn't deserve oblivion modding.

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  44. Nice but. by 1+reply+beneath+your · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it legal? I mean, if I was verizon coming out in the market with a rebranded cell phone I'd probably like to make it illegal for users to unbrand it, just like it's illegal to unlock the software and use it on another network. If you don't like being locked in, buy the more expensive unlocked phone ... Then again if we're talking manufacturer brands, I am proud of my Sony Ericsson P990i, why would I wanna hide it's brand?

    1. Re:Nice but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it's legal. Do you think some government somewhere passed a law saying that you can't scrape the Cingular logo off your phone? Unlocking your phone is legal too. Do you know the difference between a law and a contract?

  45. Not just "pervert" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but "+1, Pervert"

  46. Brandalism by lullabud · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's actually pretty sad that people would even have to question the legality of removing a logo from a product... that the thought would even enter our brains. The way corporations use their weight to twist moral principles seeds our thoughts with doubt about the other innocent things we're doing...

    To take the matter even further to the opposing side, I quote the graffiti artist Banksy, as written in his book "Wall and Piece":
    Brandalism

    People abuse you every day. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you're not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They're on tv making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are the advertisers and they are laughing at you. However, you are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with impunity. Any advert in public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. You especially don't we them any courtesy. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don't even start asking for theirs.
    1. Re:Brandalism by 1+reply+beneath+your · · Score: 1

      I think that if I want to sell a product at a discount and ask that my brand is kept there in exchange I should be allowed to do so. It's like the corps are buying advertising space on a product that you own, so it should be illegal if the corp wants it so.

      I would never buy a locked cell phone, but just a brand doesnt bother me too much if there is some price benefit compared to a non-branded phone.

      Advertising pays for a big chung of everything we consume, and although we pay that money back when we buy stuff, there is no going back to the "build a better mousetrap" era.

    2. Re:Brandalism by kimvette · · Score: 1
      I think that if I want to sell a product at a discount and ask that my brand is kept there in exchange I should be allowed to do so.


      You can ask to put your logo on the product, and they do so. However, once the ownership of that product changes hands, the new owner can do anything he desires with his purchased good, including removing logos and repainting it. If you do not like that, then do not sell product, but rent or lease it to clients instead.
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    3. Re:Brandalism by johanw · · Score: 1

      You may ask what you want. However, why would I obey it? Those who sell commercials will just have to hope most people will not remove such labels. It happens with other things too. I once got my car back from a maintenace checkup with some stickers added to the back window. Very irritating to see them continuously in my mirror, so I removed them ASAP.

    4. Re:Brandalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's irritating if it's done without your explicit consent, in your place I would have probably asked them to remove the stickers and made a fuss about it.

      If they offered me a free carwash in exchage for wearing the stickers for a limited ammount of time I would have considered it though.

  47. Wouldn't it be better and quicker.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the sign making industry we just use a heat gun (you can also use a blow dryer) to heat up the adhesive making it a few minute chore with no damage to the substrate (object the sticker/decal is on).

    I wouldn't think removing the logo decals off a pda or phone that way would do any damage. Of course you'd also need to get some type of adhesive remover on a qtip to wipe away the left over residue.

  48. SoftScrub by Brian+Kendig · · Score: 1

    I use SoftScrub (http://www.softscrub.com/) for cleaning stuff off computer cases. It works great without scratching.

  49. "Designed for Windows NT" by xixax · · Score: 1

    I stuck the enamel "Ready for Windows NT" badges that were on my laptop onto
    one of these and left it into the server room toolkit at work.

    Xix.

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  50. Self-cleaning PDA by ozbird · · Score: 1

    I have a Palm Zire 72. Once the blue paint finishes peeling off, I'll have a shiny silver PDA without any logos...

  51. Re:Sugar sounds good but I use to use this method. by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unless 3M is selling a different glue under the Super 77 label in CA, it's not banned here. You can buy it pretty much anywhere (Home Depot, Staples, art and craft stores, etc). I have several cans, as it's an important structural component in my Zagi.

  52. Re:Sugar sounds good but I use to use this method. by karnal · · Score: 1

    A few caution tips then:

    1. Use flammable liquids away from flame.
    2. Clean with flammable liquids outside (again, away from flame)
    3. Turn off the equipment before working with flammable liquids.
    4. Make sure equipment doesn't have the smell of the flammable liquid after a reasonable drying time.

    If you smell vapors, there is always a possibility of ignition, but you need the right fuel/air ratio to do damage. If you don't smell it on the device, there's not enough vapor there. Of course, as with anything flammable, use your head and you will still have it in the morning.

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  53. oil by dramaley · · Score: 1

    I've recently discovered that vegetable oil works very well for removing stickers from just about anything: wood, metal, plastic, etc. It doesn't matter what type of vegetable oil. I suppose if you wanted to be pretentious you could use extra virgin olive oil, but any liquid cooking oil seems to work. Peel or scrape off the sticker as best you can, then rub oil on the remaining residue. I usually use a cotton swab and just have to lightly rub the gum or glue a bit with oil and the sticky stuff lifts right off.

    The article was about removing stickers from a cell phone; i'd advise taking extra care putting oil on something so small so that the oil doesn't get inside. The nice thing about using oil is that it is just food, so you don't have to worry about dealing with toxic solvents. And it is easy to clean up the excess with a rag.

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  54. Re:Sugar sounds good but I use to use this method. by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 1

    I'll have to look at the can on Monday, but I remember something on the can specifically about not beinf for sale in the state of California. Not the standard boilerplate about substances shown to cause cancer in the state of California, an actual ban. I wonder if there is a different formulation that 3M sells there?

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  55. Smarter way... by evilviper · · Score: 1

    Practically every liquid, gel, semi-solid, etc. is either water based, or oil based. It doesn't seem like a difficult concept, but people just don't get it.

    If it doesn't breakdown when in contact with water (think: chewing gum), it will when in contact with oils. This goes for everything you've ever come across... from reinvigorating dried-out Playdough, to getting gum out of hair, tree sap out of clothes, and yes, getting stickers, adhesive bandages, and labels off, with nominal effort.

    I generally hate WD40, because it's almost always used where traditional, better, and more permanent lubricants are actually needed. However, in this particular case, it is one of the better substances for the job...

    Spray a little WD-40 around the edges of any sticker, give it just a few seconds, and the glue it touches will break apart into tiny chunks of rubber, and wipe away. A couple sprays, a few seconds, and you can get any sticker off of any surface, without practically any force at all.

    Then, you just use hand cleaner (Goop), clothes detergent, or dish soap to cut through the oil, and wash away with water, or a damp towel.

    Same goes for heat-sink paste (popular problem here), chewing gum, vasoline, adhesive bandages, electrical tape, tree sap, tar, and practically everything else in the known world.

    In lieu of WD-40, whatever oil you happen to have will work nearly as well. Mineral oil, motor oil, cooking oil, etc. Thinner is usually better.

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  56. Re:Sugar sounds good but I use to use this method. by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Okay, did a little googling and found there is a different version sold in CA and about 8 other states. Seems to be the same glue but a different "ozone friendly" propelant.

  57. Permanence by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 2, Funny

    I find a hammer to be highly effective; it won't remove logos well, but you feel much better once the offending device is in twenty or thirty pieces.

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