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OpenBSD 4.0 Pre-orders are Available
fuzzyping1 writes "Pre-orders for OpenBSD 4.0 are now available in the online store. Five architectures on three CDs in a soft-shell DVD case. Check out the highlights of OpenBSD 4.0. This new release includes support for many new wireless chipsets, the UltraSPARC III platform, a new load-balancing feature for network trunks, and much, much more."
BSD must be dying
OpenBSD 4.0, now with more arrogance than ever!
Karma be damned!
OpenBSD 4.0 is the beginning of the end... :)
Arash Partow's Philosophy: Be a person who knows what they don't know, and not a person who doesn't know.
50$ or 50euros is not the same thing
50euros is 63.57 USD so why does it cost more in Europe ?
OpenBSD has heard the voice of the people, and its screaming for FREE STICKERS!!!
...and the site has already been hacked by some script kiddie. How lame!
please excuse my apathy
Netcraft surrenders...
BSD has been dead for years you slug-fisting cunt-felcher.
Complete with four changes specifically for the VAX architecture. I myself have one or two alphas but why put so much effort into (for example) getting X11 to run on VAX? Its not as if anybody is going to run Gnome or anything. The vax is (probably) equivalent to a 386.
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One thing that bothers me about hardware RAID support in linux is the lack of a single set of management/monitoring tools that will work with every driver. With OpenBSD 4 you can just use sensord.
OpenBSD doesn't have quite the hardware coverage Linux does in this area, but who wants to use stuff like aacraid anyway when you have to troll the net for closed-source Dell tools to check your array status?
Anyway, thanks again, OpenBSD team. Good work.
Hands in my pocket
I'm waiting for the edition with the genuine Corinthian leather DVD case.
They like to get a bunch of preorders so the guy burning the DVD's knows whether to go buy a 50 DVD spindle or a 100 DVD spindle.
GNU RCS has been replaced with OpenRCS.
Interesting. the GNU RCS code is kind of an ugly mess (one reason it's stagnated, one reason it's had so many vulnerabilities). For local stuff, RCS is nice and simple, but I don't know why anyone would use CVS when much better alternatives now exist.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Not bad but I would have preferred a single DVD. DVD drives are now so cheap that there's no longer any reason to offer CDs. Plus the shipping costs can be lower.
Why isn't the BSD section no longer listed on the left hand Sections menu? The Slashdot bias against BSD has gone on far too long. Editors, bring back the BSD section!
In Soviet Russia, articles before post read *you*!
$10 says it gets more pre-orders than Vista and the PS3 combined. Any takers? No? aww :(
Is it just me or is it not going to upgrade to Vista in here?
Where's the new song?! (http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html) Usually it comes out before the new release, and I only have an OBSD 3.6 server which I never plan to have to upgrade, so an update to me means a new fun song!
Sometimes you've gotta roll the hard six.
Although licensed under the BSD license, the developers have made it clear that they expect payment, especially from the larger users. Failure to pay the arbitrarily determined fee will mean that bug and security fixes may be withheld from you.
BSD has been dead for years you slug-fisting cunt-felcher.
Although I am still on the fence about the whole slug-fisting fad, I am wondering what exactly is wrong with cunt-felching?
The last time I checked out OpenBSD it was glaccially slow. Maybe it's 'secure by default' because by default any IO operations go so slow that the script kidz finish high-school and college and are well on their way towards their doctorate by the time the operation has completed! In benchmarks against linux, freebsd and netbsd openbsd finished dead last, oftentimes crashing before the benchmark was finished! And the ports tree? Ugh, they've got the dubious honor of being the only Free OS which has packages even older than what debian ships by default! NetBSD 4.0-Release features GCC4, what does OpenBSD 4.0 have...gcc3...gcc2?!?!
What a POS. No wonder no one has found any holes in it -right next to no one would use such a steaming pile in a production enviroment!
...them corinthian folks are getting mighty T-eed off over being harvested for leather all the time...
I appear to have ventured into a parallel universe. Thus far, the most startling difference has been that people here appear to try to sell open source software, rather than making it available for free. I intend to document these differences as they come up, in the hopes of further study when (if ever) I return home.
Seriously, why bother with OpenBSD anymore when there's such a push towards Linux uptake?
BSD has about as much relevance in modern times as running an Amiga; relics of the past.
(Posted AC because KCG will kill me otherwise)
It is now official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
From the description it sounds like an extended version of 802.3ad standard, which is great. But under "trunk" most network admins imagine interface that tags VLANs as per 802.1q. Great feature nevetheless.
there is no issue with my network
Also, the orders may be slow to ship. The Taiyo Yuden media is on backorder, so the DVDs have to be burned at 4x.
Anyone outside the US / Canana know how much to send the CDs? The website doesn't say - and this is even right up to supplying your CC information.....
I would prefer to know.. even a rough guide how much.... because I've seen cases (on other sites) were the shipping costs outweighs the cost of the product!
The free shell folks at sdf.LoneStar.org once had somebody
break through their Linux security (years ago already), so
they went to NetBSD, I think (from memory).
They might have something to say about Linux -vs- [Net]BSD
I would love to use OpenBSD for more things, but I can't until I have a solid way to run Java apps on it. gcj is promising, but it won't run my real-world Java apps that I need, like NetBeans and JBoss. Likewise for Apache Harmony, Kaffe, and all the others. I'm hoping that Sun will come through with its promise to open source Java, and that there could be a native-compiled Java 6 for OpenBSD, which would let me switch over to it. Any ideas on this?
These challenges haplees *BSD fastEr, cheaper, she had no fear
Your history of SDF is correct, but this particular case does not prove that Linux is less secure than BSD. Depending on how you configure your system, either OS can be rock solid impenetrable, or more exploitable than an unpatched Windows98 box. Very few successful break ins are due to kernel flaws; usually the problem is an application bug, bad configuration, or incorrect policy. I also run a public shell service, and it too often comes under attempted exploit and DoS attacks. I've successfully managed to run it using Linux. I also run OpenBSD on another machine. Linux and BSD both have strong security as strengths, if you use them correctly. However, there is something to be said for OpenBSD's policy of "secure by default".
------ Take away the right to say fuck and you take away the right to say fuck the government.
Take a look at qpsmtpd:
http://smtpd.develooper.com/
Can somebody using openbsd tell me if they have got their sound card working in it?
I do not want to get left out from hearing my music while using openbsd as a desktop.
Any resources to tweak the sound will be welcome.
OpenBSD fucking rocks. [period]
Why are they still shipping with gcc 2.9._? It would be nice if they would try out gcc 4._ sometime. That comes with a fairly usable gcj that would let us do some Java things in OpenBSD.
The OpenSSH improvments should help us all...
# OpenSSH 4.4:
* Conditional configuration in sshd_config(5) using the Match directive. This allows some configuration options to be selectively overridden if specific criteria (based on user, group, hostname and/or address) are met.
* Add support for Diffie-Hellman group exchange key agreement with a final hash of SHA256.
* Added a ForceCommand directive to sshd_config(5), similar to the command="..." option in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys.
* Added a PermitOpen directive to sshd_config(5), similar to the permitopen="..." option in authorized_keys, to allow control over the port-forwardings that a user is allowed to establish.
* Added an ExitOnForwardFailure option to cause ssh(1) to exit (with a non-zero exit code) when requested port forwardings could not be established.
* Added optional logging of transactions to sftp-server(8).
* ssh(1) will now record port numbers for hosts stored in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys when a non-standard port has been requested.
* Extended the sshd_config(5) "SubSystem" directive to allow the specification of commandline arguments.
* Many manpage fixes and improvements
...before using Asterix imagery: those people are pretty litigious.
I am a system administrator for a small-medium ISP. I setup an OpenBSD machine more than 2 years back as a firewall/router that sometimes even did load balancing. The only time it failed was... when the electricity went down.
As advertised.. it IS rock solid!
Can one use the USB version of aDSL modem/router FRITZ!Box Fon under OpenBSD 4.0? The hardware support pages at openbsd.org are not clear to me as to whether one can use this router (even post-installation) or not.
How about making a filesystems which supports file generations you damned "only one generation of a file shall exist at any point in time", unwashed hippies.
It's 2006 and we're stil stuck with the 1960s idea that you can only have one version of a file.
Bah.
Good to see OpenBSD keeping its finger on the pulse with Apache 1.3.29 as part of the package. As I recall this isn't even an up-to-date 1.3.x
You must be new to browsing at the -1 threshold.
Cunt-felching is strictly prohibited by the GNAA code of, err, "ethics", and is therefore a serious insult to many first-post trolls.
Yet another sickening blow has struck what's left of the Linux community, as a soon-to-be-released report by the independent Commision for Technology Management (CTM) after a year-long study has concluded: Linux is already dead. Here are some of the commission's findings:
.005% of internet servers. This led to Mandrakesoft, makers of another troubled distro, to purchase Connectiva and become Mandriva. However, industry anaylists say that this will not help since Mandriva is already a shell of its former self.
Fact: Linux has balkanized yet again. There are now no less than 140 separate, competing Linux distros, each of which has introduced fundamental incompatibilities with the other distros, and frequently with Unix standards. Average number of developers in each project (except for Redhat and Novell/Suse): fewer than five. Average number of users per project: there are no definitive numbers, but reports show that all projects are on the decline.
Fact: The trivial issue os what to call Linux continues to hound Linux. At a recent Linux conference in San Francisco, a fight broke out between RMS (Richard M. Stallman) who says Linux should be called GNU/Linux and Linus Torvalds who created Linux and says that Linux should be called Linux. This led to a massive barroom style brawl involving at least 150 Linux geeks. The SFPD was called out to break up the melee, and arrested 150 people. It was estimated that at least 2 to 3 times that many were involved in the brawl, but there wasn't enough police on hand to arrest or count all of them. Sixty one people were hospitalized as a result of this brawl, and one person is still in a coma. Another three people had to get their jaws wired shut.
Fact: Linux is plagued by a lack of professionalism. The stereotype of Linux users being fat unwashed dateless geeks who still live in their parents' basements and refuse to shower more than once a month is all too true. The best example of this is RMS who claims to have a "water phobia" and thus rarely bathes. RMS also looks like he has been living in a cave for the last 5 years. In fact, RMS has been arrested twice because he has been mistaken for Osama Bin Laden. While RMS has always been found to not be Osama Bin Laden, it has created a perception of that Linux is the "terrorist operating system". Linus Torvalds has been forced to spend a great deal of time correcting this perception instead of working on the Linux kernel. Alan Cox quit Linux kernel development since he got tired of everyone saying that he was a terrorist.
Fact: There are almost no Connectiva developers left, and its use, according to Netcraft, is down to a sadly crippled
Fact: X.org will not include support for Redhat's Fedora project. The newly formed group believes that Fedora has strayed too far from Unix standards and have become too difficult to support along with other Linux distros and Solaris x86. "It's too much trouble," said one anonymous developer. "If they want to make their own standards, let them doing the porting for us."
Fact: Ubuntu Linux, yet another offshoot of the beleaguered Debian "distro", is already collapsing under the weight of internal power struggles and in-fighting. "They haven't done a single decent release," notes Mark Baron, an industry watcher and columnist. "Their mailing lists read like an online version of a Jerry Springer episode, complete with food fights, swearing, name-calling, and chair-throwing. It also doesn't help that most people think the word, "Ubuntu", is an obscure term for a homosexual orgy." Netcraft reports that Ubuntu Linux is run on exactly 0% of internet servers. An attempt to save Ubuntu by creating a derivative distro called Kubuntu has also failed.
Fact: Debian Linux, which claims to focus on "being free" (whatever that is supposed to mean), is slow, and cannot take advantage of multiple CPUs. "That about drove the last nail in the coffin for Linux use here," said Michael Curry, CTO of Amazon.com. "We took our Debian boxes out to the backyard and sh
"OpenBSD is actually turning into a very usable OS"
OpenBSD has been the most usable unix for a good 8 years, arguably longer. Its not turning into, it always has been.
First, gcc in ports/packages is gcc 4. Its gcc in base that is 3.x and 2.x. And its that was because gcc 4 is unusably slow, and gcc2 has to be used on architectures that gcc doesn't support anymore.
Second, those are not performance benchmarks, they are (horribly flawed) scalability benchmarks. You will notice he has hated openbsd since long before that, and designed his test intentionally to try to make it look bad. You will also notice that its very old, and actually a few fixes went in to solve the kernel panics right after that happened, and several performance and scalability improvements have gone in since then.
Try a real world benchmark some time. In a single CPU server, in a real world workload of apache (static files), apache+php, squid, sendmail, and postgresql, there was no difference between linux, solaris, freebsd, netbsd and openbsd. The only thing that did have a difference was mysql, which performed best on solaris, then linux/freebsd/netbsd, then openbsd. This indicates that openbsd's threading is/was a performance issue, and that solaris has very good threading performance. If you are using a thread heavy workload like mysql, you should probably use solaris, not openbsd.
Apache changed their license. It is no longer acceptable. The only difference between apache 1.3.29 and newer 1.3.x releases are security fixes. That's why openbsd includes apache 1.3.29 + patches. Patches to fix those security problems, some of which openbsd had already fixed before apache, but apache refused to fix because the patches weren't portable to OS/2.
Is there still Installboot bug? I remember I could not run OS because it was below the 4GB line. Linux, FreeBSD and Windows did not have this bug.
There are several local root exploits in the linux kernel every year. Most years, there are 0 for openbsd. Which one is more suitable for a shell server or webserver where untrusted users can execute code?