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Mathematician Claims New Yorker Defamed Him

An anonymous reader writes, "Last month the New Yorker ran the article 'Manifold Destiny' (slashdotted here), by Sylvia Nasar, author of 'A Beautiful Mind.' Now a renowned Harvard mathematics professor, Dr. Shing-Tung Yau, is claiming the article defamed him. His attorney wrote the New Yorker a letter (PDF) threatening that Yau will have 'no choice but to consider other options' if Nasar, her co-author, and the New Yorker fail to undo the damage done."

212 comments

  1. sue! by dslmodem · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    everybody sues nowadays!

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    1. Re:sue! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, mathematically, the probability of winning or getting a large cash settlement must be high. Unless this guy flunked gambling theory. Either way, the lawyer will walk away richer anyway.

    2. Re:sue! by slashdotet · · Score: 0
      It is the new Trend and I find it sad.

      Why cant we all get along

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    3. Re:sue! by Xaositecte · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      the combination of "Either way" and "anyway" are unnecessarily redundant.

    4. Re:sue! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Isn't pointing that out a bit redundant in itself? If not, I want to see my lawyer anyway! :P

    5. Re:sue! by Wavicle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why cant we all get along

      Because there is more money to be made in not getting along.

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    6. Re:sue! by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      alright, I was gonna do a *WHOOSH* - but I guess that was pretty subtle, even by /. standards.

      the phrase "Unnecessarily redundant" is intentionally redundant, to provide irony.

    7. Re:sue! by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      Where the hell would you get a judge and jury that could understand the math (assuming it came up)?

    8. Re:sue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't. The jury members (should there be a jury) should not have expertise in the fields relevant to the case. What you do is to get independant expert witnesses to testify and give their opinion and the judge/jury uses that for their judgement. At least this is what I believe to be the case.

    9. Re:sue! by EdwinBoyd · · Score: 1

      Redundancy is often necessary. Think of how many failure levels are on the space shuttle.

    10. Re:sue! by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      Pah, this is linguistics. It's not like we're rocket surgeons or something.

    11. Re:sue! by emilper · · Score: 1

      Language (as speech, not as set of grammar rules) has more levels of redundancy than the space shuttle. This is one reason why data mining is do damn hard, and learning the grammar of a foreign language does not mean you are able to speak it.

      Example: I suppose you used "rocket surgeons" with the purpose of making a joke, but I cannot be sure. If you want to be as certain as possible that nobody will think you really believe there really are "rocket surgeons", you'll have to give more clues and introduce some redundant stuff, like a " :) ".

    12. Re:sue! by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      Eh?

      Rocket Surgeons are the new Slashdot memes, like welcomming overlords, and Beowulf clusters.

  2. undo the damage done by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought it was the mathematics and physics guys who'd be bringing us the time machine, not the New Yorker...

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    1. Re:undo the damage done by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      That's the problem. They're not in California where we already got The Ahnold.

    2. Re:undo the damage done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just read Mr. Yau's answer (the pdf file). Nowhere in his answer does he say explicitly that he proved the Poincare. Seems like he does not want to commit himself before possible lawsuit.

      Instead, by naming his paper "A Complete Proof of the Poincare and Geometrization Conjectures - Application of the Hamilton-Perelman Theory of Ricci Flow" looks like he wants implicitly to say that others (Hamilton-Perelman) worked on Ricci Flow, unaware of its implication for Poincare, and he then used those ideas to, voila, prove the Poincare. And yet, from the NY article it is clear that Perelman decided to continue the work of Hamilton on the Ricci Flow problem, exactly because he realised that that is the biggest hurdle on the way to the proof of Poincare.

      The only unclear point in whole NY Poincare story, and Mr. Yau's answer did not make it any more clearer, is, if general opinion among mathematicians is that Mr. Perelman proved Poincare or not.

  3. It could be worse... by InterruptDescriptorT · · Score: 4, Funny

    At least the New Yorker didn't denormal him...

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    1. Re:It could be worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhh... I don't get it.

    2. Re:It could be worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not funny, except in the poster's head.

    3. Re:It could be worse... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's not funny, except in the poster's head.

      ... and except in 5 moderators' heads too, apparently.

      1. A small explanation of denormal numbers (written as decimal for simplicity's sake):
      Usually, floating point numbers are represented as a.bcdef * 10^+/-gh , where a != 0.

      Using that rule, the smallest float would be 1.0000 * 10 ^ -99.

      Now, if you want it smaller, but without using more storage space for the expnonent, you ditch that a!=0 rule.

      Without this rule, you can have numbers such as 0.0098*10^-99, which are smaller, but less precise (because they have less significant digits).

      Of course, in reality, computers do not use decimal notation, but rather binary. So any "normal" float has a=1 (because there only is 0 and 1, and 0 is forbidden). Because of this, a usually isn't even stored. Which makes it necessary that denormal numbers must be tagged in some special way to identify them as such, usually by using some reserved value for the exponent.

      ObTrivia: old HP calculators (which did use decimal notation internally) behaved in some very interesting way when presented with denormal numbers, especially in the role of a divisor.

      2. A small explanation of the joke: if the New York would have denormalled him, they would have made him smaller than the smallest quantity, i.e. the ultimate humiliation.

    4. Re:It could be worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they flushed his reputation to zero :)

    5. Re:It could be worse... by eh2o · · Score: 1

      Except that Yau is a specialist in algebraic topology and differential geometry, not numerical mathematics or computer science.

      Therefore the joke about denormal numbers is not funny because it lacks relevancy (IMHO).

    6. Re:It could be worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though, my friend, your explanation is pretty hilarious. ;-)

    7. Re:It could be worse... by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Therefore the joke about denormal numbers is not funny because it lacks relevancy
      And also because it's, well, not funny.

      There are two essential requirements for a joke:-

      1. It's funny.

      2. It's funny.

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  4. BORING by tomstdenis · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    New Yorker article was more than 1000 words. BORING.

    Bitchy PDF is whiny and lengthy too.

    Slashdot desperately needs better users and more boobies...

    Tom

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  5. Hey! by AltGrendel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't this prove the article's point?

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    1. Re:Hey! by Raindance · · Score: 3, Informative

      In my mind, yes. Using these kinds of tactics is precisely what the New Yorker accused Yau of doing.

    2. Re:Hey! by littlem · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's true that the Chinese pair did contribute something highly non-trivial in filling in the details left by Perelman, so in this sense it's not unreasonable for Yau to claim a certain amount of credit for this. However, given the past history, he looks an awful lot like someone vociferously aggrieved to have been accused of robbing a bank in New York when he was actually robbing a bank in Chicago at the time.

      Suing journalists is high-profile and attracts attention. The effect of these Chinese politics on journal publishing in differential geometry in the US, particularly for young mathematicians forced to tread on egg-shells and play off one ego against another, happens behind the scenes but is far more damaging for our subject in the long-run.

    3. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Suing journalists is high-profile and attracts attention. The effect of these Chinese politics on journal publishing in differential geometry in the US, particularly for young mathematicians forced to tread on egg-shells and play off one ego against another, happens behind the scenes but is far more damaging for our subject in the long-run.

      Fitting "insightful" mod. Really, is the mercurial pop-culture glory that A Beautiful Mind brings to math worth the price?

    4. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      In my mind, yes. Using these kinds of tactics is precisely what the New Yorker accused Yau of doing.
      I find something very wrong with this analysis. Specifically, what means does he have of addressing his perceived problem?

      It's like if I think Joe is going to kick me and warn people about his agressive behavior, then go and kick him myself (for whatever reason). Joe had no intention of kicking me initially, but the reasonable reaction to my assault is to kick me back. When he does this I can say, "You see? I told you he was like that! He just proved my point."

      A major flaw of our society is that it's extremely easy to fuck someone over, but extremely hard to UN-fuck their lives. Ask anyone falsely accused of any crime - their association with the crime follows them forever .

      So, I repeat his dilemma: what means does he have of addressing his perceived problem? Damage was done. This is just him kicking back.
    5. Re:Hey! by rca66 · · Score: 1
      Doesn't this prove the article's point?

      In which way? The article paints a very negative image. If it is actually fabricated and mostly tabloid-like sensationalism - isn't it comprehensible that he stands up against it?

    6. Re:Hey! by the-empty-string · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Doesn't this prove the article's point?
      Actually, no. He claims the authors distorted the facts, and he provides his own account of said facts as he sees them. How does this prove anything? What you're saying is no different from "I think this guy really raped that girl, because he acted too outraged when we accused him."

      I actually read the original article in the New Yorker at the time, and found it to be a fascinating look into the inner workings of science at the highest level. Having no direct knowledge of any of the people involved, my impresion of their roles in the story (and ultimately of their character), was shaped entirely by what the article authors have said. In particular, Dr. Yau did come across as a deeply flawed, manipulative individual obsessed by his place in history, which I thought was very sad indeed, given his apparently uncontested mathematical genius and his achievements formaly acknowledged by having been awarded his very own Fields Medal.

      However, after reading the letter, I am not so sure anymore. Don't forget that he who frames the discussion controls the outcome. Once this article has been out there, people already formed their perceptions. The deck is stacked against the defendant. Remember how Al Gore took credit for inventing the Internet? Oh, wait, he didn't.

      What if the thrust of the story is in fact false? The letter states rather convincingly that the interviews were conducted under false pretenses, that certain critical quotes were distorted or outright fabricated, and that important pieces of information that would have painted a different picture were simply left out. Yeah, he "looks" guilty in the original article, but why should we consider that version of the facts true, and discard the letter as "proving the point"? That's not how we arrive at the truth.

    7. Re:Hey! by SchroedingersCat · · Score: 1

      It certainly does. If he had the case he would have sued already. The letter is just a PR move to control the damage.

    8. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Posters like the-empty-string are what keep me coming back to slashdot, despite all the noise. Thanks.

    9. Re:Hey! by Raindance · · Score: 1

      I think you make a fantastic point.

      I don't think Yau is out of options, though. If his character is being unfairly criticized, he's famous enough that he should be able to get some public show of support from the mathematics community. I think it's pretty common that scientists stick up for their own against unfair press.

      If, however, the article was right and it's understood that he tends toward glory-stealing and conniving power-plays, he won't be able to get a show of support.

      So, I appreciate your general point, but I feel that in this case it's not quite a catch-22.

    10. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This kind of thing will keep happening in mathematics until theories can be patented!

    11. Re:Hey! by strider44 · · Score: 1

      I think you're missing the point of your parent. Yau's trying to prove he's not flawed, manipulative and obsessed with his place in history by threatening to sue a newspaper for publishing an article?

      A better tactic by Yau would just be to publish a letter without actual legal action. If he didn't get his attorney involved outside of perhaps looking over the letter to make sure nothing was wrong with it I think people would be a lot more sympathetic.

    12. Re:Hey! by 2.7182 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that Al Gore thing was outrageous - Yau says HE invented the internet.

    13. Re:Hey! by ecuador_gr · · Score: 1
      Actually, no. He claims the authors distorted the facts, and he provides his own account of said facts as he sees them. How does this prove anything? What you're saying is no different from "I think this guy really raped that girl, because he acted too outraged when we accused him."

      Actually, he's saying something like "I think this guy really raped that girl, because he threatened to rape us when we accused him."
    14. Re:Hey! by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      I think you're right. Also, I'm sure The NewYorker's editorial and legal staff give what they print some consideration before they print it. I'll wager they will stand by the story.

    15. Re:Hey! by Tired_Blood · · Score: 1

      That general point was really the only one I was trying to make. I've recently experienced a situation like the "kick Joe" analogy, and your comment triggered the response. I don't know the details of this case, but I recognize that it could be similar. By the way, I post AC at times - sometimes accidentally :(

      I agree that the situation is not really Catch-22 but, if he really wants this to be fully and quickly corrected, his options actually are quite limited.

      True, a prominent member of any community can utilize their position to assist in answering any claims, but the New Yorker has a readership that falls mostly outside his community so any response within Yau's community will suffer from less exposure within that target readship. Without engaging the New Yorker (and if the claims are false), he'll have his name cleared among colleagues yet be villified among neighbors.

      You're absolutely correct that he will need to gather community support, but even if he does get his community behind him, the New Yorker has no obligation to report on it. That is, unless their legal department strongly recommends the move.

      Anyway, overall I think we're in agreement. My previous reply was mostly a chip-on-the-shoulder response. I saw what reminded me of a very recent exercise in frustration (that "kick Joe" thing) and was replying to that.

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    16. Re:Hey! by Raindance · · Score: 1

      I can sympathize with that.

      You make an interesting point with how someone falsely accused in a public venue could "have his name cleared among colleagues yet be villified among neighbors." I'll think about that.

  6. Cool by Anon-Admin · · Score: 5, Funny

    This looks like a well calculated attack and response by a few mathematicians with a lawyer thrown in to check the work.

    Ill give 2:1 odds that the lawyer has checked the proofs and found that the math is wrong because no one else added in the cash coefficient. He will keep the cash for him self and may give a small percentage of the proceeds to the mathematician if the mathematician can figure it out.

    1. Re:Cool by joe270 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe President Bush can double check...he apparently saved taxpayers millions by catching an error in some calculations over at Fermi labs.

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  7. Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shing-Tung_Yau and the New Yorker piece. Yau supposledy tried to take credit for Perelmans work on the Poincare conjecture, publishing a solution after Perelman published his on arxiv, calling Perelmans 'incomplete' and saying he and his students didn't understand it.

    I'm not far enough along in my math studies (will I ever be?) to understand their papers, but if it's true Yau is pretty sleazy.

    1. Re:Yau by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I dont even begin to understand the math it looks a little more murky than blatantly just trying to steal Perelmans credit. No one seems to have found significant error in Perelmans work but also no one seems to understand completely how he actually arrived at his solution. Now I remember from my math class that if you could not show how you arrived at your answer it was treated as a guess and thrown out.

      I am not saying Perelman did not solve the conjecture but his approach to publishing his work in a piecemeal and incomplete manner was a poor choice and left him wide open to what has happened (note he does come across as somewhat eccentric in the article). Yau does appear to be filling in gaps though after someone else did all the grunt work for him so while he has completed the work by doing so he has proved that Perelman was in fact correct.

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    2. Re:Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the claims in the letter is that this split-credit issue was a complete fabrication done by a reporter in a Chinese newspaper, (apparently done because the paper and/or China had a conflict going with Yay for other reasons) and that the author of the New Yorker piece completely failed to check the facts behind this (and apparently other reporters never wrote about anything similar in their coverage of the conference in question).

    3. Re:Yau by Coryoth · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'm not far enough along in my math studies (will I ever be?) to understand their papers, but if it's true Yau is pretty sleazy.

      There's a blog called the Poincare project that is seeking to build up enough math, from the ground up, to understand the proof. So far it's only just past stating the conjecture (which still takes a lot of work if you're going to cover all the technical material required to state it properly), but it's pretty god work and understandable by most anyone.
    4. Re:Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been many times when reading a proof that some step or set of steps didn't jive in my noggin and seemed incomplete until it was broken down into smaller pieces and explained to me. Sometimes just annotations would be enough. Anyway, if he expanded, reworded, and annotated Perelman's proof in such a way that made it easier to understand, good for him. I can see how this could look like him trying to steal credit at a glance, but not upon inspection. I think that the key here is that there is a difference between Mathematically incomplete proof and a proof that is so hard to understand that it might as well be incomplete to most anyone who tries to use and/or understand it.
      Anyway, I'm just wondering how in the world a document with both big math and legalize ever got written. Unless there was a lawyor that was also a pretty good math dude. I just don't see 2 (or more) people ever sitting down and writting that -- combining their talents and skills. Ugggg!

    5. Re:Yau by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Informative
      Yau supposledy tried to take credit for Perelmans work on the Poincare conjecture, publishing a solution after Perelman published his on arxiv, calling Perelmans 'incomplete' and saying he and his students didn't understand it.
      He's more or less right. Perelman's solution was, by modern standards, woefully patchy and incomplete. He didn't even try to get it published in a journal because no modern mathematical journal would accept such a "lax" work, hence he only posted on the arXiv.

      Perelman got by on geometric intuition and terse writing, probably because he was either unable or more likely unwilling to go into the level of pedantic and often overbearing detail demanded of modern mathematics journals. In other words, he proved the theorem like the great masters of old.

      Yau on the other hand (well, it was more his students Zhu and Cao if the names on the actual papers mean anything), took Perelman's theorem and gave a modern complete description and process of the proof, complete with tight, near unparsable syntax. But later, another team, Morgan and Tian, actually gave another even more pedantic, incomprehensible and unintuative version of the proof, involving much more set theory than Yau et al, who leaned more towards analysis.

      Yau's dilemma is this. He was not the one who came up with the great mathematical leaps that make up the proof. However, he was the first to publish a more "complete" version of the proof by modern standards. But, his proof was not as overburdened, pedantic and semantically garbled as the next team's published proof, this being the accepted style nowadays. Thus Yau is between a rock and a hard place, namely Perelman's actual breakthroughs and Morgan and Tian's heavy abstraction. His one saving grace is that he published first. Where Zhu and Cao come into this drama is a mystery as yet left unsolved.

      And so, modern mathematics, unwilling to give the Fields medal to the intuative but not pedatic Perelman, but unable to give it to the super garbled Morgan and Tian, instead had to give it to Yau. But since Yau hadn't actually added anything but formality to the proof, and the other team and only added more, they had to give the medal to Perelman as well. They would have preferred to have just given it to Morgan and Tian, so they're bitter now and blaming Yau for publishing so soon.
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    6. Re:Yau by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Informative

      "And so, modern mathematics, unwilling to give the Fields medal to the intuative but not pedatic Perelman, but unable to give it to the super garbled Morgan and Tian, instead had to give it to Yau. But since Yau hadn't actually added anything but formality to the proof, and the other team and only added more, they had to give the medal to Perelman as well. They would have preferred to have just given it to Morgan and Tian, so they're bitter now and blaming Yau for publishing so soon."

      I can't comment on the rest of your post, but you got at least one critical fact wrong:

      Perelman won the Fields medal, but refused to accept it. The article essentially claimed that all of this corruption and bickering was why Perelman refused the medal - He seemingly wants nothing more to do with the field of mathematics in its current state.

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    7. Re:Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice discourse, but based on wrong facts. Perelman got Fields medal this year (he just didn't accept it). Yau got Fields medal in 1982.

      Jacek

    8. Re:Yau by rca66 · · Score: 1
      Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shing-Tung_Yau and the New Yorker piece. Yau supposledy tried to take credit for Perelmans work on the Poincare conjecture, publishing a solution after Perelman published his on arxiv, calling Perelmans 'incomplete' and saying he and his students didn't understand it.

      This comment is utter nonsense. The letter in discussion is all about that what is in the New Yorker article is fabricated and not true. To summarize it: A says something bad about B, B says: "This is a lie!". And then you come and enter: "Well, this B must be quite some poor guy, look at what A says about him!" Come on!

      And Wikipedia is absolutely not trustworthy here as a source, providing a quite bad example of its quality (The negative part in this entry was introduced only after the New Yorker article appeared and is clearly taken from there, an according comment criticising this fact is on the discussion page).

    9. Re:Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, are you Chinese?

    10. Re:Yau by rossifer · · Score: 1
      Now I remember from my math class that if you could not show how you arrived at your answer it was treated as a guess and thrown out.
      That's because you're being graded on providing the correct answer and demonstrating the process you used to reach that answer. Perelman (and other mathemeticians, including Yau) are instead judged solely on the correctness of their work.

      I am not saying Perelman did not solve the conjecture but his approach to publishing his work in a piecemeal and incomplete manner was a poor choice [...]
      Actually, Perelman did not reveal an incomplete proof. According to those who can follow the processes in his messages, it seems to be complete without further elaboration . Further, he didn't "publish" in the academic meaning of the word, he announced, and if his announcement came in three pieces, well, nobody paid him to work on it, so the complaints about his means of delivery seem a little embittered.

      Yau does appear to be filling in gaps [...]
      Ah, but that's the question at the center of the controversy: Are there gaps to be filled? Outside of Yau's group, the consensus appears to be, "No. Perelman's proof is complete as originally described."

      If there were pieces missing which Yau could provide, then Yau and his students would be justified in their claim. Instead, it appears that Yau and his students were merely restating the exact same proof in their own words and claiming to have filled in blanks.

      Regards,
      Ross
    11. Re:Yau by aufumy · · Score: 5, Informative

      From this page http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/2006/08/fruitcak e-fields.html are published clarifications from Nasar's interviewees denouncing her and claiming that she falsely quoted and purposefuly miscontrued their statements.

      a Clarification from MIT mathematician Dan Stroock:

      I, like several others whom Sylvia Nasar interviewed, am shocked and angered by the article which she and Gruber wrote for the New Yorker. Having seen Yau in action during his June conference on string theory, Nasar led me to believe that she was fascinated by S-T Yau and asked me my opinion about his activities. I told her that I greatly admire Yau's efforts to support young Chinese mathematicians and to break down the ossified power structure in the Chinese academic establishment. I then told her that I sometimes have doubts about his methodology. In particular, I told her that, at least to my ears, Yau weakens his case and lays himself open to his enemies by sounding too self-promoting.

      As it appears in her article, she has purposefully distorted my statement and made it unforgivably misleading. Like the rest of us, Yau has his faults, but, unlike most of us, his virtues outweigh his faults. Unfortunately, Nasar used my statement to bolster her case that the opposite is true, and for this I cannot forgive her.

      State University of New York at Stony Brook professor Michael Anderson's email to Yao:

      Dear Yau,

      I am furious, and completely shocked, at what Sylvia Nasar wrote. Her quote of me is completely wrong and baseless. There are other factual mistakes in the article, in addition to those you pointed out.

      I have left her phone and email messages this evening and hope to speak to her tomorrow at the latest to clear this up. I want her to remove this statement completely from the article. It serves no purpose and contains no factual information; I view it as stupid gossip unworthy of a paper like the New Yorker. At the moment, the print version has not appeared and so it might be possible to fix this still. I spent several hours with S. Nasar on the phone talking about Perelman, Poincare, etc but it seems I was too naive (and I'm now disgusted) in believing this journalist would report factually.

      I regret very much this quote falsely attributed to me and will do what ever I can to have it removed.

      I will keep you informed as I know more.

      Yours, Michael

      Michael Anderson's further announcement:

      Many of you have probably seen the New Yorker article by Sylvia Nasar and David Gruber on Perelman and the Poincare conjecture.

      In many respects, its very interesting and a pleasure to read. However, it contains a number of inaccuracies and downright errors. I spent several hours talking with Sylvia Nasar trying to dissuade her from incorporating the Tian-Yau fights into the article, since it was completely irrelevant and I didn't see the point of dragging readers through the mud. Obviously I was not successful.

      The quote attributed to me on Yau is completely inaccurate and distorted from some remarks I made to her in a quite different context; I made it explicit to her that the remarks I was making in that context were purely speculative and had no basis in fact. I did not give her my permission to quote me on this, even with the qualification of speculation.

      There are other inaccuracies about Stony Brook. One for instance is the implication that Tian at MIT was the first to invite Perelman to the US to give talks. This is of course false - we at Stony Brook were the firs t to do so. I stressed in my talks with her the role Stony Brook played, yet she focusses on the single talk Grisha gave at Princeton, listing a collection of eminent mathematicians, none of whom is a geometer/topologist.

      I was not given an opportunity to set the record straight with the New Yor

    12. Re:Yau by zen-theorist · · Score: 4, Informative
      another critical mistake:
      And so, modern mathematics, unwilling to give the Fields medal to the intuative but not pedatic Perelman, but unable to give it to the super garbled Morgan and Tian, instead had to give it to Yau. But since Yau hadn't actually added anything but formality to the proof, and the other team and only added more, they had to give the medal to Perelman as well. They would have preferred to have just given it to Morgan and Tian, so they're bitter now and blaming Yau for publishing so soon.
      Yau did not receive the (2006) Fields medal for this body of work. he received the Fields medal back in 1982 for his contribution to resolving the Calabi conjecture and other related work. Calabi-Yau manifolds come up in string theory, the new hotbed of expository physics.
    13. Re:Yau by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Dude, are you anonymous Jewish?

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      I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
    14. Re:Yau by durdur · · Score: 1

      There is a strange statement in the article where he talks about have a choice between being treated as a "pet" and being "conspicuous" .. I had to read this a few times but finally I took it to mean that if he accepts the medal he becomes a public figure and he then figures he can't be silent on the controversy. If he just stays home he can stay a "pet" (i.e. other people can treat him as some kind of eccentric nutter, which apparently doesn't bother him at all) and be silent. So in brief it seems fundamentally he just doesn't care what other people think about him, but he doesn't like controversy.

    15. Re:Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, I didn't say that Yau was a bad guy. I said that if the facts are as stated in the NY piece and I understood them correctly, then he would be sleazy.

      Please learn the words supposledy and if before going nuts next time. Thanks.

    16. Re:Yau by ozbird · · Score: 1

      He's more or less right. Perelman's solution was, by modern standards, woefully patchy and incomplete. Perelman got by on geometric intuition and terse writing, probably because he was either unable or more likely unwilling to go into the level of pedantic and often overbearing detail demanded of modern mathematics journals. In other words, he proved the theorem like the great masters of old.

      Exactly - like Fermat's Last Theorem: "... I have discovered a truly marvelous demonstration of this proposition that this margin is too narrow to contain." Fermat was obviously right, but it took a bunch of pedants more than a lifetime to get it to modern standards (and probably still isn't what Fermat had in mind, since the recognised solution isn't exactly "marvelous".)

      Yau's problem with Perelman seems to be:
      1. he dared tread on "Yau's" turf - the Poincare conjecture - without so much as a "by your leave",
      2. he didn't go through the usual bureaucratic channels (which presumably would include peer review by Yau),
      3. he was right,
      4. he was humble. By not accepting the Fields medal for his work, Perelman presumably has prevented Yau from getting it either (or at least it should.)

      Better a Perelman than a primadonna in my books.

    17. Re:Yau by gbulmash · · Score: 1

      Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shing-Tung_Yau

      Because of WikiPedia's current editorial model, any time I want information on a person or a debated topic, if I read the WikiPedia entry on it, I take that with a HUUUGE grain of salt.

      - Greg

    18. Re:Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oy vey! Remember the holocaust!

      Stop being so anti-semitic!

    19. Re:Yau by rca66 · · Score: 1
      Dude, I didn't say that Yau was a bad guy. I said that if the facts are as stated in the NY piece and I understood them correctly, then he would be sleazy.

      I understood you correctly. But still the comment doesn't make too much sense. Of course the guy appears to be bad according to the article - this is the reason why his lawyer has written this letter and this is what the letter is about, and that's why the Slashdot title talks about "defaming".

    20. Re:Yau by Stalyn · · Score: 1
      This is not even close to true. The entire mathematical community accepts that Perelman made the important breakthroughs and actually proved the Poincare Conjecture. No new original work was done by Yau, Cao, Zhu, Morgan and Tian. Also as others have noted it was Perelman who received the fields medal related to this work. Yau received a fields medal some 20 years ago.

      We have referred to those notes countless times as we came to grips with Perelman's ideas. In late August and early September of 2004, Kleiner, Lott and the two of us ran a workshop at Princeton University, supported by the Clay Math Institute, going through Perelman's second paper (the one of Ricci flow with surgery) in detail. This workshop played a significant role in convincing us that Perelman's arguments were complete and correct and also in convincing us to write this book.

      - Morgan, John W., Gang Tian (25 July 2006). "Ricci Flow and the Poincaré Conjecture". arXiv:math.DG/0607607

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    21. Re:Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was giving a brief overview of the situation as I understood it, as I doubted that many /.ers would read both TFA, especially the New Yorker article. It's rather long, as you may have noticed.

    22. Re:Yau by E+Galois · · Score: 1

      "C'est visible que..."

      Perelman was probably simply following one of the grand traditions in mathematics, illustrated by the story about Laplace below:

      Laplace's Mecanique Celeste, an enormous five volume tome on just about everything you ever wanted to know about celestial mechanics, was first translated into the English language by Nathaniel Bowditch. Though others did it before him, Laplace was notorious for leaving length demonstrations to the reader, usually preceded with "C'est visible que..." (It is obvious that...). Bowditch meticulously filled in all the gaps, but before long he grew to dread those words, for he knew that when he saw them, he was in for a lengthy bit of derivation before what Laplace claimed was obvious was, in fact, obvious.

      I think I first came across this anecdote in E.T. Bell's Men of Mathematics, but don't recall for sure - I found it on the net here: http://math.bu.edu/people/jeffs/joke.html

    23. Re:Yau by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      understandable by most anyone
      So, you need to take an additional year studying maths (*), and at that stage all you can do is actually understand the conjecture (which appears to be about doughnuts, or something)?

      Fuck that for a game of soldiers, it's Friday afternoon and I'm off down the pub.

      (*) Yeah yeah, I skipped those bits of the blog.

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    24. Re:Yau by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Because of WikiPedia's current editorial model, any time I want information on a person or a debated topic, if I read the WikiPedia entry on it, I take that with a HUUUGE grain of salt.
      Whatever WikiPedia's faults, it's still the best online resource for obsessively detailed information about certain subjects.

      Unfortunately, those subjects are Japanese anime characters, appallingly bad rock groups from the 80s and shitty TV Sci-Fi series.

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    25. Re:Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yau's problem with Perelman is nonexistent.

    26. Re:Yau by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      AFAIK Wiles himself has indicated that his solution is likely very different from the one alleged by Fermat. The mathematical "tools" used by Wiles to solve the problem were not available to Fermat.

  8. Justice for all by eebra82 · · Score: 1

    New Yorker can rest. Yun is famous again now that Slashdot and other web sites are printing his lawyer's words.

  9. I'm not totally surprised by igb · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When I read the original article it struck me that either they had very good sources, or they were confident he wouldn't sue, or they were happy to get embroiled in one of those venue shopping disputes. Given The New Yorker is sold in newsagents in the UK, and people here have subscriptions (I do, for example), and mathmatics is an international field, it's hard to see how a UK court would object to being the venue for a libel action such as this. And, on the face of it, the guy wouldn't have problems showing the words were capable of admitting a defamatory reading, which is the basic test, or that it would lower him in the eyes of a reader, which is another. They'd have to plead justification, and that's hard.

    Hell hath no fury like an academic with his reputation scorned.

    ian

    1. Re:I'm not totally surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Hell hath no fury like an academic with his reputation scorned.
      Probably because academics seldom have more than a reputation. It's their legacy and what they leave in the world, they don't accumulate toys to show status at the end but instead rest in peace knowing their papers added to mankind's knowledge.
    2. Re:I'm not totally surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The New Yorker is published in New York, of course, and so most likely the controlling venue will be the State of New York - and under their libel laws, I'm guessing he'd be considered a public figure, meaning the standard would be "malice aforethought" plus either "knowing publication of a falsehood" OR "reckless disregard for the truth."

    3. Re:I'm not totally surprised by gatzke · · Score: 5, Interesting


      Reminds me of

      "The competition is so fierce because the stakes are so low."

    4. Re:I'm not totally surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The New Yorker is published in New York, of course, and so most likely the controlling venue will be the State of New York - and under their libel laws, I'm guessing he'd be considered a public figure, meaning the standard would be "malice aforethought" plus either "knowing publication of a falsehood" OR "reckless disregard for the truth."

      Except that in the UK, you can be sued for distributing libellous materials. Hence, the publisher will have had to indemnify the distributors of the magazine in the UK. The UK libel laws are *nasty* to be on the wrong side of. Your only defence is truth.

  10. I need 10ccs of Dammitol, stat! by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nah, Tom, you just need better drugs, then all this will become completely fascinating. I've found that old coots like us need a high dose of dammitol and gedawfmaielauntin just to get through boring crap like this.

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    1. Re:I need 10ccs of Dammitol, stat! by kfg · · Score: 1

      I'll take some of that too. Preferably delivered in a Sadillac Eldorado Pervertable with leopard skin upolstery, great condition except for spots. Just ninety-eight cents a pound.

      KFG

  11. Nash unhappy with Sylvia too by peter303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He complained she wrote too much about his sex life, with some of it exaggerated. If you believe Sylvia's book he had lots of girlfriends and few boyfriends too.

    Whats Nash up to these days?

  12. Defamation by jefu · · Score: 4, Informative

    While the New Yorker article was not particularly favorable to Dr. Yau, it didn't seem to me that it could be called defamation. Indeed, to the extent that it says negative things about him, they seem to be coming from his peers in mathematics - and not from the writer of the article. Is that a sufficient defense against a legal claim of defamation? I guess that is for the courts to decide.

    More importantly, by suing for defamation, Dr. Yau appears to be manifesting exactly the kind of behavior that he was described as having in the article. One mathematician is quoted as saying "Yau wants to be the king of geometry. He believes that everything should issue from him, that he should have oversight. He doesn't like people encroaching on his territory.". Another says : "This is a guy who did magnificent things... He won every prize to be won. I find it a little mean of him to seem to be trying to get a share of this as well."

    1. Re:Defamation by kabocox · · Score: 3, Informative

      While the New Yorker article was not particularly favorable to Dr. Yau, it didn't seem to me that it could be called defamation. Indeed, to the extent that it says negative things about him, they seem to be coming from his peers in mathematics - and not from the writer of the article. Is that a sufficient defense against a legal claim of defamation? I guess that is for the courts to decide.

      More importantly, by suing for defamation, Dr. Yau appears to be manifesting exactly the kind of behavior that he was described as having in the article.


      Did no one else read Dr. Yau's website and his pdf letter to the New Yorker? In that letter Dr. Yau's agents have contacted most of those sources and according to Dr. Yau's letter they were all misquotes or slated in a manner to make him look bad. Read his pdf letter http://www.doctoryau.com/9.18.06.pdf . It is only 12 pages, but it is quiet calmly written. I would hope that if the facts are on Dr. Yau's side then the New York will fire on so called reporter and have to pay heavy damages to this individual.

      It sounds like the article was set out to discredit this guy. I'd honestly want more sources than either the New Yorker, this guy's website or wikipedia. Honestly, I don't really care about it that much except that I hope that the facts come out and that the New Yorker will be punished if they are in the wrong. Actually, I'm thrilled that some is standing up to "the press" for a change. I'd think that if the content of the article was actually true, then he'd have a difficult time when under peer review of his future papers.

    2. Re:Defamation by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

      Indeed, but this is Slashdot. No-one Reads The Fine Article here (except, apparently, you and myself).

    3. Re:Defamation by cool_arrow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you speak negatively about someone, however true it may be, how likely are you to confess to it when asked by that person (or his reps) whether it was true. Human nature being what it is.

    4. Re:Defamation by pilkul · · Score: 1

      Right. Most of slashdot is dead set against Yau without even having read his claims. But if you actually read his letter, his story is quite plausible and more importantly, verifiable. There are several factual claims in his letter -- that other impartial parties quoted in the article say their statements were misinterpreted, that false quotes were used, and that that Yau explicitly and in writing said the opposite of certain beliefs that were attributed to him. If these claims check out to be true (which shouldn't be very hard to verify to those with access to the documents and people in question), then Yau has a case.

      At this point, all we can say for sure is that one of the two parties is lying and misrepresenting a lot. We can't say yet whether it's Yau or Nasar, but some pretty simple facts are at issue and the truth will come out soon enough. Until it does, stop attacking Yau guys.

    5. Re:Defamation by kabocox · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right. Most of slashdot is dead set against Yau without even having read his claims. But if you actually read his letter, his story is quite plausible and more importantly, verifiable. There are several factual claims in his letter -- that other impartial parties quoted in the article say their statements were misinterpreted, that false quotes were used, and that that Yau explicitly and in writing said the opposite of certain beliefs that were attributed to him. If these claims check out to be true (which shouldn't be very hard to verify to those with access to the documents and people in question), then Yau has a case.

      At this point, all we can say for sure is that one of the two parties is lying and misrepresenting a lot. We can't say yet whether it's Yau or Nasar, but some pretty simple facts are at issue and the truth will come out soon enough. Until it does, stop attacking Yau guys.

      Mod this guy up. Apparently the /. community is taking it on faith from the New Yorker that this guy is what they say that he is. I have no facts at all, but have read the guy's letter. Honestly, after seeing the picture of a Chinese guy, my first instinct was that the New Yorker was trying to either create US/Chinese tensions or blacken this guys name on the behalf of the Chinese government. Reading the guy's legal letter, apparently he has been fighting to correct what he sees as corruption in China. This would seem to make the New Yorker a tool of the Chinese government. So much becomes clear now.

    6. Re:Defamation by rca66 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      While the New Yorker article was not particularly favorable to Dr. Yau, it didn't seem to me that it could be called defamation. Indeed, to the extent that it says negative things about him, they seem to be coming from his peers in mathematics - and not from the writer of the article. Is that a sufficient defense against a legal claim of defamation? I guess that is for the courts to decide.

      The article painted a very negative picture of this man. According to the lawyer's letter this article is already used as ammunition by people in China against Yau. So, if this article is not true or can not stand a proof, it is surely defaming. And regarding those quotes: as the letter says several of the quotes were made as a reaction to a fabricated quote.

      More importantly, by suing for defamation, Dr. Yau appears to be manifesting exactly the kind of behavior that he was described as having in the article.

      I absolutely do not agree. Assume the content of the letter is correct, and the article is indeed garbage, it is absolutely comprehensible, that the man asks that the magazine takes action to make this point clear. Yau's first reaction was not: "we sue you", but he asks for adjustment and apology. He sees it only as a last ressort, and the letter makes this very clear.

    7. Re:Defamation by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Reading the guy's legal letter, apparently he has been fighting to correct what he sees as corruption in China. This would seem to make the New Yorker a tool of the Chinese government. So much becomes clear now.

      Curious.

      What makes you think it isn't in the interests of the United States to rachet up tensions with China?

      Or more plausibly, someone decided that injecting some drama (into what would otherwise be a boring math article) would sell more copies.

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    8. Re:Defamation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, Everything I remember from reading the New Yorker article has been rebuttled in this letter. The journalists apparently made up sources, used false quotes that were known to be false prior to publishing the article, and used these false quotes in interviews with other people to get them to say more bad things about Yau based only on the false information they were provided by the reporter.

      Everytime I think there are good journalists out there, they come back to bite me.

      Cham

    9. Re:Defamation by OnanTheBarbarian · · Score: 1

      I read the pdf letter. I don't have the background, but it does sound a lot like the New Yorker may have a case to answer. The article did seem like a bit of a hatchet job, and the complaints from several parties that their quotes were taken out of context seem like there may be something to this.

      Of course, Yau's going to get slammed on Slashdot, where people love hackneyed ideas like "evil, hierarchical, credit-stealing Chinese mathematician" and "eccentric genius solving difficult problem on their own and getting denied credit" and so on. Why check the facts?

    10. Re:Defamation by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      It sounds like the article was set out to discredit this guy.
      I agree. Anybody reading Yau's letter can see that. The sad fact is that whether they are or not successful, the New Yorker will at most publish a two line retraction in an obscure part of a future edition. Most people who have read the original story will miss that.

      The fact is that with today's internet, it is easy to make available primary sources. It's shoddy that today's journalists like Nasar should continue to write articles purportedly based on fact based research, without making all those facts also available to the reader in an online appendix. This should be ethical journalism 101. Even so, the fact that Yau's lawyer's letter is published on the net is already a great step forward. In the past, we wouldn't likely even know about the lawsuit.

      It would also be nice to see another journalist see the potential for this, and write a second story, this time about Nasar (the journalist who wrote the New Yorker story on Yau and Perelman). I'd like to know what Nasar's colleagues and friends have to say about her and her methods. Maybe that would support Yau's claims or not. But it would certainly help readers form a opinion on whether to trust, and how much to trust, Nasar. And that is the first step when reading any piece of investigative journalism.

    11. Re:Defamation by khchung · · Score: 1

      While this may be true in business, where doublespeak and back-stabbing is rampant, it is not so in academics. In the academics, reputation and integrity are the most important asset for a professor, and he won't have any left if he were caught saying opposite things to different people. When an academic say something publicly, including to a journalist, they expect what they say to be represented fairly and they expect to stand by what they have said, otherwise they would have said nothing instead.

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  13. Sounds like paranoia by ishmalius · · Score: 4, Funny
    Parts i, ii, and iii are saying, basically:
    1. Everything you say is all lies
    2. All of the events you quote were staged for the purpose of generating all lies
    3. Everything everyone else says is all lies, or, if it is true, is taken out of context in such a way as to become all lies
    While I, of course, speak only the truth.
    1. Re:Sounds like paranoia by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      In other words, he's accusing her of being . . .a journalist!

      KFG

    2. Re:Sounds like paranoia by kfg · · Score: 1

      Coulda been worse. He coulda accused her of being . . .a lawyer!

      KFG

    3. Re:Sounds like paranoia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Defamatory except for the minor inconveience of it being true...

    4. Re:Sounds like paranoia by ktappe · · Score: 1
      Everything you say is all lies...All of the events you quote were staged for the purpose of generating all lies... Everything everyone else says is all lies, or, if it is true, is taken out of context in such a way as to become all lies
      Did we read the same legal document, because this is not what I got out of it. He certainly does not say "everything" is lies and "all" the events were staged for generating lies. Further, it seems to me that he has quite a few valid points, such as:

      * She had every opportunity to get his side of the story and never made any such effort,

      * She knew in advance that many of her claims were false,

      * She knew in advance that many of the quotes she attributes to certain speakers were never uttered by those speakers.

      Getting his reactions and allowing him to respond is not legally required, but it does demonstrate (as he claims) an agenda. The other two points would seem to be simple and demonstrable statements of fact that will be rather damning if this gets to court. Until (if) a rebuttal is issued by the author and the New Yorker, it seems as though this is nearly textbook libel, regardless of whether Yau is a jerk.

      -Kurt

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  14. silly math person by achacha · · Score: 1

    Barbara Streisand in Full Effect!

    When will people learn that this sort of thing only draws more publicity and if they wanted it to go away they would just ignore it.

    1. Re:silly math person by IDontAgreeWithYou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think he is FULLY aware of that.

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      Finding other idiots on /. that agree with your opinion doesn't make it any less stupid.
    2. Re:silly math person by achacha · · Score: 1

      I have not too many mathematicians who were into self promotion, especially is such a silly way. Most just want to be left alone to work in seclusion, but he is a complete unknown so maybe he's trying to make a name for himself. I heard he is in talk with Paris Hilton about a duet on her next techo-bland upcoming CD.

      Math power!

    3. Re:silly math person by fishfish · · Score: 1

      Yes - the "Hugh Grant" formula for fame - ANY air time is good for you.

    4. Re:silly math person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, would that number of "not too many" mathematicans that you've met happen to be a big fat Zero? Yau, is a Fields Medal winner and the "Yau" in Calabi-Yau manifolds, which is no doubt less familiar to you than Paris Hilton's various exploits. So maybe do a little work before shooting your mouth off about someone whose name will still be known in 500 years when you, me, and yes, even Paris Hilton will be long forgotten. Oh, wait, this is slashdot... Nevermind.

    5. Re:silly math person by steeviant · · Score: 1

      Yeah... of course! When someone publicly sets out to ruin your reputation and undermine your credibility using a falsified story in an internationally distributed publication, just sit back and relax it'll all go away.

      Because people are actually excellent judges of the difference between lies and truth when it's published in an authoritive sounding source with little surrounding story or supporting facts. Everyone knows that.

  15. Yau is a big jerk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other news, Dr. Yau is suing Slashdot and OSTG for damage done to his reputation by an Anonymous Coward who reportedly stated, "Yau is a big jerk!" in a recent posting.

  16. Makes Me Hungry by Baavgai · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article also stole the title from one of my favorite cooking books. Damn confusing, that.

    1. Re:Makes Me Hungry by The+Lord+of+Chaos · · Score: 1

      Not to mention all the of donuts and coffee cups that accompany topology discussions. Need to find me a Tim's.

    2. Re:Makes Me Hungry by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      I'm confused. What's the difference between a donut and a coffee cup?

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    3. Re:Makes Me Hungry by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Well if you push on the cup part you can mush it into the handle without tearing it and it becomes a donut, which of course will no longer hold your coffee with will spill into your lap, burning you and then you can sue Mc Donalds for the topological disaster! So the correct answer is there is no difference between a cup and a donut that money can't fix.

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  17. It's Math! by Billosaur · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Who cares? Some professor of Math gets his knickers in a twist because he's been outted as a self-aggrandizing, self-important weasel by his peers, only confirming his peers' extimation of him, and this is important? Somebody get this guy some Xanax and a legal dictionary then send him off to some nice, quiet, restful place where he can contemplate geometry and leave the rest of us alone.

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  18. Just shrug it off by SigmoidCurve · · Score: 4, Funny

    New Yorkers defame me all the time. You just have to build a thick skin to live here, that's all.

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  19. For those that didn't read the article by peripatetic_bum · · Score: 1

    The essential gist of the story is that the chinese mathematician didn't prove anything but merely re-hashed the Russian's work but it trying to take the actually credit for proving what has already been proved.

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    1. Re:For those that didn't read the article by waxigloo · · Score: 2, Informative
      And the point of Yau's response is that most of the claims made by the article have no sources. From the legal letter, even the sources used in the New Yorker article claim they were misquoted. Many of the sources for the article also seemed to be Chinese news articles that were retracted as being false...but were still used as fact.


      I am sure Dr. Yau has an ego and thinks of himself as awesome, but the New Yorker article went a bit over the top. In no way has Dr. Yau ever said Perelman does not deserve the Fields medal and that he (Dr. Yau) does (as the letter points out: He already has one and is no longer eligible because of his age).

      As far as 're-hashing' the work: that is what is done when the proof of a conjecture is not well understood or even confirmed to be a proof. 'Re-hashing' is what mathematicians world-wide are doing with Perelman's work in order to see whether his work is valid. It is part of the mathematical process. And it does not seem that Dr. Yau is claiming that Perelman's work is wrong or useless...in fact, quite the opposite. He has publically stated that Perelman deserves the Fields medal.

    2. Re:For those that didn't read the article by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 1

      My favorite quote (trying to put the Chinese contribution above Perlman's (the Russian):

      Hamilton contributed over fifty per cent; the Russian, Perelman, about twenty-five per cent; and the Chinese, Yau, Zhu, and Cao et al., about thirty per cent." (Evidently, simple addition can sometimes trip up even a mathematician.) Yau added, "Given the significance of the Poincaré, that Chinese mathematicians played a thirty-per-cent role is by no means easy. It is a very important contribution.

      Yau needs a good cockpunch. He's trying to weasel his way into getting credit for solving Poincaré to elevate his status in the fight to be the head of Chinese mathmatics. Even though he has hardly ever set foot in China. The fact that he filed a lawsuit seems to shed some light on his true mentality. The Chinese don't air their dirty laundry in courts (whether or not they crapped their own bed). That is something that is, sadly, very American. I hope this tantrum causes him to not be considered for the post he is fighting to get.

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    3. Re:For those that didn't read the article by waxigloo · · Score: 1

      too bad the 'acting director' who is reported to said that does not exist...did you even read the letter? perhaps you need a good cockpunch, also.

    4. Re:For those that didn't read the article by spacey · · Score: 1

      The New Yorker's fact checking is famous for being strong and covering their *sses. If the New Yorkers fact checkers fell down, then maybe Yau's got a chance in court. However if the fact checkers have gone over the material and contacted the sources as they should, then this case will get thrown out of court and Yau will be made to look dumber than he was made to look in the article.

      -Peter

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    5. Re:For those that didn't read the article by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I did. And the deputy director (acting director) WAS at the conference. Do you possibly think he may be furiously backpedaling now that what he said made it into an article that puts the almighty Yau in an unfavorable light?

      Perhaps you should get in line for a cockpunch as well.

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    6. Re:For those that didn't read the article by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      Unless I missed something, a lawsuit was threatened, not filed.

  20. why?! by Heppelld0 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    why does the guy bother? he's got a maths degree, and works at harvard. why the hell does he care if some journalist spreads proverbial shite about his theory. presumably the theory has gone through the channels to become legitimate and several other mathmaticians have also proofed the piece. he's obvously bored, or its a bit of a stunt to get people to read the theory, and the journalist is basically fanning the flames.

    dont like jounralists. agreed, speading the proverbial does rake in the money, but i have to wonder at how much consideration there is for others...

    if the guy's theory is flawed, then surely it be best that someone does flag discrepencies in it...

    1. Re:why?! by steeviant · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the article isn't discrediting his theory, it's discrediting Yau. The article is pretty much entirely unrelated to math and is about sensationalising supposed infighting between prominent mathmaticians, it's basically tabloid journalism that has nothing to do with the achievements of the people mentioned and everything to do with taking sides in attempt to spread negative feelings about Yau.

      I don't know much about the people in question, and even less about the math, but it's pretty damn obvious that the article was slanted against Yau for whatever reason. There were no responses from Yau published, nor any views opposing the idea that he's an old man with little to offer the world, who is desperately scrambling to remain relevant.

      I'm sorry, but I fail to believe that there isn't a single person anywhere in the world who thinks that Yau is an OK guy. Even Bill Gates has fans, yet this article would have us believe that Yau is universally dispised and regarded as a publicity hound and plagarist by everyone who knows him.

    2. Re:why?! by Gena5m · · Score: 1

      >The problem is that the article isn't discrediting his theory, it's discrediting Yau. Which theory? Yao and his students say that they did not understand Perelman's proof of Poincaré's conjecture and filled in the gaps. Sounds like wishful thinking to me - not the proof. >I don't know much about the people in question, and even less about the math, but it's pretty damn obvious that the article was slanted against Yau for whatever reason. Not that fast. Is John Morgan, who is the head of the mathematics department at Columbia University, slanted against Yao? The article talks about two projects sponsored by the Clay Institute that traced and confirmed validity of Perelman's proof. Dr. Morgan had lead one of them, Gang Tian lead the second. And there were others that reached the same conclusion. He pretty much summed it up when he said: "Perelman already did it and what he did was complete and correct. I don't see that they did anything different". My Chinese coworker read in Chineese publication where Yao is criticized in China for unethical behavior in this ordeal. May be when Yao wins the suite and takes over math both in mainland China, Taiwan and here then he'll twist opinions of us, little people, as much as he wants, he may even call himself Chairman Yao and we'll understand. But on the way he'll have to prove the validity of his math in the court of law because he could not do that in the world of math. Funny it did not occur to him that nobody did that before (since Poincare and earlier). May be ACLU will take on his case and reinstate his proof by theory of reversed discrimination. So much for slanted.

  21. the subject is difficult by grumpyman · · Score: 1

    As much as I read from the comments, I can see that very very few of us have a grasp of the ins and outs, who did what, and what it all mean. Can someone actually in the field, somewhat familiar with the subject say something more objective and insightful?

    1. Re:the subject is difficult by William+Stein · · Score: 1

      I'm a professional mathematician, I was an assistant professor of
      math at Harvard 2000-20005, and I know Yau from many
      discussions about research with him then. I've read both the
      New Yorker article and Yau's (lawyer's) letter. I think the New Yorker
      article is a typical example of sensationalist journalism; moreover it
      harms mathematics research by misunderstanding and misrepresenting
      mathematics culture on many levels.

      The New Yorker article left me with a very bad feeling that it simply
      wasn't right, was completely unfair, and that it didn't at all describe
      the person I know. In contrast, the letter from Yau is consistent
      with what I know.

      That Yau, his co-workers (and others) stepped up to write complete
      details of a proof of the Poincaire conjecture is good for mankind and
      good for mathematics. The article makes their work out to be some
      sort of power grab; they did *extremeley* hard work
      that very few people in the world are capable of, and which will be
      appreciated by numerous mathematicians and student.

        -- William; http://sage.math.washington.edu/

    2. Re:the subject is difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and you are going to need letters from Yau and his mafia for your promotions and to get your shitty little summer salary grants from the NSF ? You're totally the worlds biggest kiss ass. "It harms mathematics" ?? What the fuck ? Mathematics is threatened by the New Yorker ? Go back and read some of your esoteric journals and try to convince yourself that you are paid to do mathematics, when you really are paid to teach calculus. Dip shit. It's people like you that made me dislike grad school.

  22. Doctor Who? by Burb · · Score: 1

    Let the Brit sci-fi Jokes commence.

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    1. Re:Doctor Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This "joke" is only funny in your own head.

  23. We've all had professors like this... by Banner · · Score: 0

    Guys who have more ego than brains, they're smart enough to be in the top ten percent, but they just can't make it to the very top. No one will say they're not smart or hard working, but they're just not Geniuses they're not Inspired as it were. So they become bitter and nasty and make their grad students lives a living hell (as well as that of anyone around them) because they can't accept being second best. Yau is a very smart man, yes, but he will never be what he wants to be and stealing credit for Poincare is really just pathetic. He hopes in a hundred years no one will remember that, but they will.

    What's really sad is that this goes on all the time, I've heard stories of it from Physicists more than once. Science and Math are not without their politics and the infighting can be incredibly nasty.

    1. Re:We've all had professors like this... by waxigloo · · Score: 1

      Ummm....In 1982 Yau was awarded the Fields Medal, the highest award in mathematics. And you are saying he just can't be in the very top. Yeah...ok.

    2. Re:We've all had professors like this... by Banner · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not 'in the top' at the top. Yau is a smart man, I've already said that, and winning the Fields Medal was a big event for him. But it wasn't enough. Fields Medal winners don't end up in the Math books really. Or the History books (except as side notes). People who solve things like Poincare however get proofs and other such things named after them that people will study and remember for centuries.

      Do you see the difference? Yau is driven to be at the very top of the pyramid, he wants people to know who he was hundreds of years from now, he wants people studying Math to Know his name. And to be honest I applaud him for his drive, however this whole thing should be beneath him and that he did it does not speak well of him. I've seen this before, brilliant young minds become average older ones. I fear that Yau may have gone the same way and no longer be the bright man he once was, but merely an embittered hack. And that in its own way is a tragic story too. His trying to take credit for the Poincare solution was lame. This lawsuit is just pathetic.

      Science and Math should not take place in courtrooms.

    3. Re:We've all had professors like this... by waxigloo · · Score: 1

      If the New Yorker article contains falsehoods (which I believe it does), AND the statements were knowlingly false to the author (or they were included due to negligent research by the author), then I don't think the law suit is pathetic. Protecting ones reputation, especially when you are a big name involved with political issues in China, is important.

    4. Re:We've all had professors like this... by Gena5m · · Score: 1

      And that is why Grisha Perelman cut himself off. He just did not want to get ugly to deal with politics in math community. Here is his quote in New Yorker article: "As long as I was not conspicuous, I had a choice, either to make some ugly thing--a fuss about the math community's lack of integrity -- or, if I didn't do this kind of thing, to be treated as a pet. Now, when I become a very conspicuous person, I cannot stay a pet and say nothing. That is why I had to quit."

    5. Re:We've all had professors like this... by greppling · · Score: 1
      Guys who have more ego than brains, they're smart enough to be in the top ten percent, but they just can't make it to the very top. No one will say they're not smart or hard working, but they're just not Geniuses they're not Inspired as it were.

      That doesn't quite fit on Yau. He IS on the top. Proving Calabi's conjecture alone did ensure him a place in the history of mathematics (in fact, it got him a fields medal, seen as the Nobel prize of mathematics by everyone, and I haven't heard anyone claiming he didn't deserve that). Having a job at Harvard and getting many excellent students from China isn't that bad either.

      That makes it so hard to understand why he isn't satisfied with that. He has been politically very influential for quite some time (just look at the number of journals for which he is editor on his CV, they are all top journals), but I think with the Perelman story he crossed the line of what his peers would find acceptable.

      So they become bitter and nasty and make their grad students lives a living hell (as well as that of anyone around them) because they can't accept being second best.

      Unfortunately, from what I have heard, this is sort of true. What I was told is that quite a few of his students had to quit grad school with migraine and/or depressions. However, it's not like he is bitter and nasty to them, probably he is just over-ambitious and pushes them to problems that may be too hard for then. It's not like he is evil.

    6. Re:We've all had professors like this... by Ibag · · Score: 1

      The thing is, Yau's work is well known in at least some sense to the mathematics community. Calabi-Yau manifolds are named after him, and they are very well known to people who work in fields that use them (such as string theory, or even algebraic geometry). My impression is that he is brilliant, well known, and has accomplished a lot, but that he cannot handle starting work on a problem without getting the lions share of credit when someone finally solves it.

      When you are racing to solve a big problem, some people can gracefully step aside when they lose the race. I guess humility isn't for everybody.

    7. Re:We've all had professors like this... by Gena5m · · Score: 1

      Now you are talking about reputation of somebody involved with policitcal issues in China. That Yao got involved too much with his reputation at the expense of achivements of somebody else is why he found himself in this mess. That is exactly how inordinate talents get exploited in any field. Some hack steals the work or gets a handle on the inventor who after that is supposed to care for hack's reputation more then for his own integrity and life. Instead hack should unlearn himself and start caring for his integrity if any left. And you (waxigloo) seem to get it reversed - as Yao did.

    8. Re:We've all had professors like this... by greppling · · Score: 1
      Not 'in the top' at the top. Yau is a smart man, I've already said that, and winning the Fields Medal was a big event for him. But it wasn't enough. Fields Medal winners don't end up in the Math books really. Or the History books (except as side notes). People who solve things like Poincare however get proofs and other such things named after them that people will study and remember for centuries.

      He is at the top, and in the Math books as well. Just do a search on scholar.google.com for Calabi-Yau. About 9190 articles, that's a LOT for mathematics.

    9. Re:We've all had professors like this... by waxigloo · · Score: 1

      Dude...all I said was that if the New Yorker libelled him, then asking for an apology is not pathetic. Personally, I could care less who gets credit for proving Poincare -- what I do care about is the media being responsible for what they print. Whether Yau is a jerk or not, libel is illegal and should be nipped in the bud.

    10. Re:We've all had professors like this... by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      About 9190 articles
      Holy crap, say he's 70 and started publishing when he was 20, that's 184 articles a year or pretty much one every other day. What an output! Does the guy not sleep or something?
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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  24. Say it ain't so. by WED+Fan · · Score: 3, Funny

    A professor rides the back of his students' work and findings?! Say it ain't so.

    Nope, never been there. Never ever had a prof do that...o.k., maybe...I'm not bitter.

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    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong fix.
    1. Re:Say it ain't so. by gosand · · Score: 1


      A professor rides the back of his students' work and findings?! Say it ain't so.

      Nope, never been there. Never ever had a prof do that...o.k., maybe...I'm not bitter.


      I had a professor in college who assigned us sections of his book he was working on, to proofread it and evaluate it for technical accuracy. I don't know if he ever published it or not. It was in the exciting field of computer logic design, in the early 90s. On the final exam, we were given a diagram of processing logic, and asked various questions about the state of it. When I got mine back, I went to him to question one of the answers I got wrong, becuase it just didn't make sense to me. He seemed confused at first, but then agreed I was right! So he had graded them all incorrectly. But he only changed the grade on mine, he didn't want to bother with updating everyone elses. I thought that was pretty crappy of him.


      One other thing I remember about that class was a paper that I did on the revolutionary new processor that was going to be released soon - the "pentium". :)
         

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      My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  25. Sigh... as usual, Slashdotters don't ever rtfa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whee... I love Slashdot readers! As usual, nobody feels obliged to read the original article, or the response, before blasting thier commentary. Dr. Yau isn't just some Harvard mathematician; he's heavily connected into Chinese politics and education. The article, if true, suggests that he's built that base on stealing the work of others. This isn't defaming his math career; this is going to cause enormous damage politically, if it's true.

    I'm not claiming it's true or not -- there are two totally opposing views, neither with particularly good evidence. But before you're all "lol lawyerz are teh suck", figure out what's going on.

  26. Haiki version by mac-diddy · · Score: 2, Funny

    For those who don't want to read the entire article, try the much shortened haiku version. It's the fourth haiku down.

  27. hard to tell by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    If the people who provided the original quotes used against Yau, now say they were misquoted and don't agree with the premise, then I think its a valid case. I think as in most things the truth lies in the middle. The title of the paper " The first complete solution to Poicare" says more than any of the quotes or anything else. Its very clear from that title that the authors are saying that Perlman didn't solve it completely. The Jounalist who wrote the New Yorker had a somewhat borring story about academia and the quest for recognition and tried spicing it up a little bit. She may have crossed the ethincal line while doing so. A lot of Research papersmake grandiose claims that aren't as true as they initially seem. They relaise they need to market their papers to get the next job or grant or whatever and they need their papers to sound important to the vast majority of people who don't understand what the paper is really about.

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    1. Re:hard to tell by lscoughlin · · Score: 1

      Well, it was the first complete proof, but in the title, it's the first complete proof of the "Hamilton-Perelman theory of the Ricci Flow."

      I really don't think that that is too confusing.

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      Old truckers never die, they just get a new peterbilt
    2. Re:hard to tell by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      The Jounalist who wrote the New Yorker had a somewhat borring story about academia and the quest for recognition and tried spicing it up a little bit. She may have crossed the ethincal line while doing so.

      "[S]picing it up a little bit" would be to use writing skills to convey in detail the euphoria or sense of accomplishment or exhilaration that one or more of the people involved felt when they made some important breakthrough (or, perhaps the reasons for the lack thereof). Spicing it up a bit would be to convince a few of the many supposed detractors of the profession, or the mathematicians to get them to speak convincingly on record directly against academia or one of its members. A good journalist can create interest and intrigue without resorting to falsehoods (or at least cloak them in enough creative flair that litigation would be fruitless). We are not informed from this discussion whether the people on the sharp end of this claim are good journalists.

      When the first and most important duty of the profession is to accurately recount events for the historical record, knowingly distorting the truth is beyond crossing the ethical line. The author here may or may not have distorted the truth, but a sufficient number of individuals quoted within the story and elsewhere in the field have raised a set of very similar concerns backed by evidence about the accuracy and fairness of the story that it merits a second look. With some additional old facts now in play, it is up to The New Yorker to demonstrate that they did not lie.

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    3. Re:hard to tell by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Obviously, I believe that Science and math can be made interesting asd I'm posting on slashdot. You are correct that it doesn't require reporting flasehoods. From reading the new yorker and the rebuttle,its my opinion that the reporter went too far and did not present balenced story. Just curious. What is the line beyond the ethical one?

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      Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
  28. where's he going with this? by Wizzerd911 · · Score: 0
    if Nasar, her co-author, and the New Yorker fail to undo the damage done.

    so all they have to do is write an apology article or put a picture of him in saying he's the best and no money for him. Is he just doing this for publicity or what?
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  29. Moneyfold Destiny by Gena5m · · Score: 1

    Now it is Moneyfold Destiny for Dr Yau. Dr Yau just proved that he is 50% mathematician and 60% somebody else who does not like to be caught.

  30. Prize of $1M for proof of this conjecture by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've read all the posts up to now, and most are overlooking what I think is an important fact.

    The Clay Institute has put up a bounty of one million US dollars for a proof of this conjecture.

    There seems to be a good chance that Perelman will decline it (or his share of it), given his behavior.

    This may be a factor in Yau's rush to get a share of the credit. He's famous enough that he doesn't really need to do this to improve reputation.

    1. Re:Prize of $1M for proof of this conjecture by Schwarzchild · · Score: 1
      There seems to be a good chance that Perelman will decline it (or his share of it), given his behavior.
      Not really, if you read Sylvia's article then you would note that Perelman said that he would think about it if they asked him to accept the Clay prize.
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      "sweet dreams are made of this..."

  31. 'no choice but to consider other options' by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    I have no choice but to choose something.

  32. Rita Skeeter? by bigredradio · · Score: 1

    There really is a Rita Skeeter.

  33. No it absolutely does not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If someone said that you steal other people's work, and fabricate quotes, and take what others said and use it out of context to defame you. .. and also claim that you are overprotective of your reputation ..

    Wouldnt you sue? Or would you let a bitch author live off defaming people? (Now watch she'll probably try to sue me for having that opinion).

    But then you'll have idiots like yourself falling into the trap of not examining the evidence and saying "hmm, yeah he does seem overprotective of his reputation". I guess it's a perfect plan to take advantage of the sizable number of single point trigger morons who think they're smart.

    You didnt even read the attorney's letter did you?

  34. Re:Sigh... as usual, Slashdotters don't ever rtfa. by rsidd · · Score: 1

    nobody feels obliged to read the original article

    That includes you, it seems.

    The article, if true, suggests that he's built that base on stealing the work of others.

    It suggests no such thing. It makes it clear that Yau has accomplished enough to be regarded as one of the greats. (He won the Fields medal 24 years ago, for $deity's sake.) What it suggests is that he is not satisfied with those accomplishments and wants a share of the limelight in other work too.

  35. RTFA - He's not suing by shoolz · · Score: 1

    He's not suing, jackass. He's asking the New Yorker to work with him to reverse the damage they have done to his reputation.

    If nothing else, read the last page of the PDF. But really, you should read all the material before you start typing your reply.

  36. A little mean of him by amightywind · · Score: 1

    From the original article:

    "I find myself getting annoyed with Yau that he seems to feel the need for more kudos," Dan Stroock, of M.I.T., said. "This is a guy who did magnificent things, for which he was magnificently rewarded. He won every prize to be won. I find it a little mean of him to seem to be trying to get a share of this as well."

    Seems to be pretty even handed journalism to me. Theft of ideas is not a light matter for such an important problem.

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  37. mod parent down by Henk+Postma · · Score: 3, Informative
    Mod parent down, he has no idea what he is talking about.

    Yau is an extremely brilliant mathematician who has proven, amongst others, The positive energy theorem and has received the Fields medal (the Nobel prize of math) for his work.

    I can't believe you were modded +5 Interesting for this, but then again, this is slashdot, where shortsighted blanket statements are more interesting than hard facts. Sigh ...

  38. "Interesting" by Jormundgard · · Score: 1

    That legal thing sure uses a lot of "quotes". It makes it seem "unprofessional" to me, although I am not a "lawyer".

  39. Re:Sigh... as usual, Slashdotters don't ever rtfa. by Jormundgard · · Score: 1

    Begging the question, why do you care enough about slashdot posters to deride them?

  40. Re:Sigh... as usual, Slashdotters don't ever rtfa. by greppling · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Whee... I love Slashdot readers! As usual, nobody feels obliged to read the original article, or the response, before blasting thier commentary. Dr. Yau isn't just some Harvard mathematician; he's heavily connected into Chinese politics and education. The article, if true, suggests that he's built that base on stealing the work of others.

    Maybe you should read the article. Yau has done magnificient work. It's just that recently he has tried to claim a little more credit (even when it's on behalf of his students) than appropriate, and that he is more ambitious about getting political influence than what's the norm in the math community, and maybe more than his peers are willing to accept.

    Some of what he did is wrong, but it's not like he doesn't deserve his job at Harvard or his Fields medal.

  41. Defamation and the Process of Journalism by miller60 · · Score: 1

    IANAL, but I worked as an editor at daily newspapers for many years, and as part of that process got to sit through more than few briefings from media company lawyers about libel and defamation. Laws vary from state to state, but the key issues for newsroom employees in defending a contested story usually focus on "absence of malice" (i.e. the reporter wasn't "out to get" the subject) and the amount of care taken in the process of preparing and editing the story, and that there wasn't "reckless disregard" for the accuracy of facts.

    The lawyer's letter makes it appear that the New Yorker was provided with accounts contesting key parts of the article prior to publication. How the competing accounts on a contested fact are reviewed and balanced is often significant. If the subject of a story or their advocates contest a fact prior to publication, the practice is normally to include their version of events out of fairness to the source. The lawyer is alleging that the New Yorker didn't do this. Is this a legitimate editorial decision or an actionable error? That's one for the lawyers. It will be interesting to see if the New Yorker responds in print.

  42. Read the Letter by NeuroFascia · · Score: 0

    I've read both the original article and the lawyer letter and must say that the amount of counter-evidence to that presented in the New Yorker is significant. Even if it doesn't receive a judgement as libel, it is, at the very least, shoddy journalism. After reading the original article, my reaction was that Yau was fairly sleazy (on the assumption that everything written therein is true). However, soon after publication of the article, many of those quoted came forward publicly and claimed they were misquoted or quoted out of context. I doubt if Yau has the power to intimidate each of these mathematicians to his will. What recourse does he have against a large internationally circulated publication like the New Yorker? In the lawyer letter it asks only for a corrective/apology in the magazine (and corollary web sites and blogs) and correction of false statements. He wishes to undo the damage done. If they tell him to buzz off, then he will sue for defamation. - Paul

  43. Re:tpyo? by dr.g · · Score: 1


    Adonis?

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  44. Slashdotted here? by Chapter80 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Last month the New Yorker ran the article 'Manifold Destiny' (slashdotted here)
    Since when does "Slashdotted" mean "reported and discussed on Slashdot" as opposed to "site went down due to the Slashdot effect"?
    1. Re:Slashdotted here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, you can handle 83 meanings of the word 'fuck', you should be able to handle 2 meanings for 'slashdotted'.

      It's been used in both ways for years, this use is just less common.

    2. Re:Slashdotted here? by mamer-retrogamer · · Score: 1

      It began when websites started to get "dugg".

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  45. Uh DUH by Lurker2288 · · Score: 1

    "...Yau will have 'no choice but to consider other options'..." Clearly he has the mathematician's flair for nontechnical communication.

  46. Does anyone actually doubt that Yau is a theif? by chaboud · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This isn't the first time that he's used failure to understand portions of proofs to piggyback on others by collaborating to fill non-holes in proofs.

    Part of this is due to the obscenely political state of modern mathematics. Part of it is the silly amount of credit given to people willing to do the grunt work of filling out proofs, even though it's important. Still, a great deal of this has to be put on Yau and his strong-arm, slap-dash tactics. It doesn't help that the accusation of the portrayal of a racial stereotype is contained within fulfillment of the accused behavior, but Nasar never said that Chinese mathematicians are dirty, cheating bastards. She said that Yau is.

    Yau's press-release shows how much he believes he represents Chinese mathematics. A statement disparaging Yau does the same for Chinese mathematicians?

    Please.

    There's nothing racial about someone spending the latter half of his life manipulating a broken system when his actual intellect is insufficient.

    1. Re:Does anyone actually doubt that Yau is a theif? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For christ's sake, you're the fifth or sixth poster saying that Yau has no talent or that Yau has limited intellect. The man has already won a Fields medal! And I guess it's much easier to believe the New Yorker article, when it's the only source of information you have regarding this issue.

  47. Mathematical Janitors by littlewink · · Score: 1
    Perelman ... unwilling to go into the level of pedantic and often overbearing detail demanded of modern mathematics journals ... proved the theorem like the great masters of old. ...
    [Yau] was the first to publish a more "complete" version of the proof by modern standards.

    So Yau et al are "clean-up men" for Perelman? I can see them, with their Dirichlet dustbrooms and Gauss garbage cans, cleaning and polishing the equipment that the "great master of old" left. Rifling through his lab notes one of them yells "Hey, let's publish a paper about this...".

  48. Brilliant piece of journalism by greppling · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I agree with you halfway, for example some of the dementis are so lukewarm ("Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you with that remark.", another more or less saying "Sorry, we know both it's true but I was REALLY trying to persuade here to leave this out from the article."...) that they pretty much emphasize the point...

    However, what I find more interesting is the light it shed on how Nasar did her excellent research for this article; it's not like it is easy to get scientists speak openly about one of their most famous and influential peers. Giving them some quotes by Yau, etc. (Yau's claim that she misled them is baseless, IMO -- nobody makes a statement to a journalist about someone he has know well for 30 years just based on a single reported quote; it's just that she got them to talk openly.)

    I found it funny how Yau believed she would be captivated by being able to talk with Hawking - something many uninformed journalists would get excited about, whereas Nasar knew well that Hawking didn't have any insights relevant to her article. I just loved to read how she cleverly played along with the cliche... (I don't know why journalists, and slashdot included, still blow Hawking so much out of proportion, but that's another story...)

    1. Re:Brilliant piece of journalism by khchung · · Score: 1
      I found it funny how Yau believed she would be ...

      You find it funny that a man devoted to advancing the knowledge of human kind was deceived by a journalist? And you think a piece of journalism created by lies and deception "brilliant"?

      Furthermore, take a look at this comment http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=197148 &cid=16155171, the quoted email from Michael Anderson:
      ... it seems I was too naive (and I'm now disgusted) in believing this journalist would report factually.

      I've learned my lesson on dealing with the media the hard and sour way ...


      One would think that any decent human being would be dismayed at seeing this kind of "journalism" instead finding it "brilliant".
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    2. Re:Brilliant piece of journalism by greppling · · Score: 1
      You find it funny that a man devoted to advancing the knowledge of human kind was deceived by a journalist? And you think a piece of journalism created by lies and deception "brilliant"?
      Yeah I find it funny when Yau believes that a Pulitzer-winning journalist, who has written the book on which "A Beautiful Mind" would fall for the praise of Yau by Hawking. I find it funny because Yau (IMO) misuses Hawking as a publicity wallpaper, and knows that, but doesn't know that Bazar knows it as well...

      As for the lies and deception, that's only Yau's claim so far.

      As far as Michael Anderson is concerned, it wouldn't be the first time someone claims wrongly that he got misquoted by a journalist. (And anyway, Michael Anderson's quote is pretty unimportant for the article, only in Yau's letter he reaches a big importance because he is the only one that clearly denies his quote in the article.) Anyway, when s.o. says he tried hours to persuade a journalist to leave s.th. out of her article (the Tian-Yau story), then, I am sorry, he just assumes a level of trust from the journalist that he could not possibly deserve. He is not her editor or legal counsel or whatever, just an interview partner; if you assume this level of trust you are naive and will be disappointed, and it's about time you learn a lesson in dealing with media.

      Anyway, I find it brilliant because she managed to find out how the large majority of mathematicians in the field think about the Yau-Perelman story and paint a interesting realistic picture of it, s.th. 99.99% of journalists would not even be able to scratch on the surface. (Of course, it's my own belief that her story is realistic, partly from hearsay (I am a mathematician in a related area), partly just from reading the slides of Yau's talks, which obviously include inappropriate remarks about Perelman. Find them yourself on Yau's webpage.)

    3. Re:Brilliant piece of journalism by khchung · · Score: 1
      I can't comment on Yau at all, but regarding Michael Anderson
      ... he just assumes a level of trust from the journalist that he could not possibly deserve. He is not her editor or legal counsel or whatever, just an interview partner; if you assume this level of trust you are naive and will be disappointed, and it's about time you learn a lesson in dealing with media.

      While he might be naive to trust a journalist, it is indeed saddening that people now expect this kind of deceptive behaviour from journalist instead of finding it repungent.

      --
      Oliver.
  49. here's why yau et al are not great mathemeticians by Jazwiecki · · Score: 2, Funny
    funniest part of the original NYer article:
    By early June, Yau had begun to promote the proof publicly. On June 3rd, at his mathematics institute in Beijing, he held a press conference. The acting director of the mathematics institute, attempting to explain the relative contributions of the different mathematicians who had worked on the Poincaré, said, "Hamilton contributed over fifty per cent; the Russian, Perelman, about twenty-five per cent; and the Chinese, Yau, Zhu, and Cao et al., about thirty per cent." (Evidently, simple addition can sometimes trip up even a mathematician.) Yau added, "Given the significance of the Poincaré, that Chinese mathematicians played a thirty-per-cent role is by no means easy. It is a very important contribution."
  50. Like any good New Yorker by Plutonite · · Score: 1

    The judge will defame him too.

  51. Re:Does anyone actually doubt that Yau is a thief? by rogersc · · Score: 1

    Yau is not a thief. If he were, he would have had his name on the Cao-Zhu paper as a co-author, and the paper would have claimed to give the first proof of the Poincare Conjecture. He did not. The New Yorker article if offensive to many Chinese mathematicians, not just Yau. See this comment for details.

  52. Poincare project by littlem · · Score: 1

    Hmmm... "I'd better go back through my recent Poincare Project posts to make sure I haven't assumed the simple connectedness of S^1" (from the blog).

    Somehow, I don't think he'll be getting to the nitty-gritty of Perelman's proof any time soon...

  53. Re:Sigh... as usual, Slashdotters don't ever rtfa. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should I read any "article"? There's nothing in there about how much smarter than everyone else on the internet I am.

  54. Because there is more money to be made in not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too true! I often had the idea that Kool Moe Dee and MC Hammer should have taken
    their beef on tour.

  55. do you think a lawsuit can be filed so quickly?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has only been 30 days since the article came out! Remember, you first have to gather your facts .. I mean .. even if you know something is false .. you still have to call up the folks that a person quoted/misquoted and verify things. Make sure you have a strong case that the person KNOWINGLY defamed you. Also, it's not accepted practice to file a lawsuit without first asking if the person or magazine is willing to issue a retraction etc. without going through a dragged out courts process. If you read the attorney's letter .. you'll see it's fairly well researched. Anyway .. none of this matters, cause I doubt you even want to know the truth.

  56. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm, the lawsuit alleges a lot of what she did was sneaky in order to paint a nasty picture of Yau. She knowingly used false information. Why dont you read the letter? Apparently she's not brilliant .. she just exploits trust .. not just Yau's but of others she interviewed and miscontrued their statements.

    1. Re:LOL by Drakai · · Score: 1

      And why don't you post as non-AC. You obviously care a great deal about the subject.

  57. Re:mod parent down because the truth hurts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, the poster knows exactly what he is talking about. However now that the china contingent has waded in we see that he's getting modded down even though he does not deserve that.

    The truth hurts apparently.

  58. Dear Doctor Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Doctor Yau, I truly enjoyed listening to your speech in the webcast I found on your site, www.doctoryau.com. Thanks a lot. I now wish you, Doctor Yau, a very good day.

  59. It's a travesty by W00die · · Score: 1

    Dr. Yau's reputation being besmirched by a bumbling junior writer at the New Yorker is really way too much. The lack of fact-finding and ignorance that went into this article is a crime. Dr. Yau certainly didn't deserve this treatment. Apparently the New Yorker is a tabloid who targets more sophisticated subjects. I fully expect to see them do their next piece on Rosanne Barr's large buttocks.

    1. Re:It's a travesty by freepath · · Score: 1

      Your "bumbling junior writer" authored a biography turned into a wildly successful feature-length motion picture, "A Beautiful Mind". Her book by the same name was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize and won a 1998 National Book Critics Circle award, besides being on the New York Times best seller list for weeks. I think YOU owe an apology to author Sylvia Nasar, who was kind enough to assist the New Yorker. On second thought, troll, your post here should not deserve a response ...

    2. Re:It's a travesty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, the New Yorker is *famous* for their almost-paranoid fact-finding before publishing. They've never published a rectraction that I know of. Ever. That might tell you something about the quality of this piece.

      Dr Yau already was, before this piece, a greedy pompous ass. A great mathematical greedy pompous ass. That doesn't belittle all he has done for the field of mathematics, nor does it belittle his genius and dedication. But that doesn't change the fact that he thinks he is a King of some sorts so everyone in his *kingdom* has to bow down to him, and he has dibbs on everything that is done. That's the truth of it, unfortunately, as much as he is great at what he does. He is not the first to be bitten by the bug of greed and politization of maths, and will not be the last.

      You can argue all you want, you can admire the man all you want, but he is still trying to usurp credit. That can be seen in the very first page of his paper. And he will go down in history as a greedy, sad man who, instead of leading the field, tried to steal the field. History will know what to make of that.

  60. New Yorker correction here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We would like to correct our references to Dr. Yau.
    Dr. Yau should be referred to as "Dr. Yau, PhD, Whiney Bitch"

  61. Don't bet against the New Yorker by maadmole · · Score: 1

    The New Yorker is legendary in the publishing industry for hyper-diligent fact-checking bordering on paranoia. AFAIK they have never had a Jason Blair situation, nor do I recall them ever publishing a retraction in the quarter-century or so I've been reading it. They even fact check their cartoons! If this brouhaha actually progresses to the courtroom, this will be as big a story as the alleged trasgression itself.

  62. Understanding is the key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whose the greater scientist:
    1) the one who invents something new or
    2) the one who communicates an obscure idea so that everybody else can understand.

    IMHO the latter.

  63. Lawsuit sounds meritless by TheGuano · · Score: 4, Informative
    As a graduating law student, I've read a number of these. Yau makes a lot of claims, which may very well be true, but what struck me was the section about how there has been "no battle" over priority for the Poincare proof.

    In it, he claims there was never any battle, and that his paper merely established the "first complete proof applying [Perelman's] and Professor Hamilton's work." But if I understand my mathematics nomenclature correctly, isn't that the exact act of trying to establish priority? He's actually saying, "I've (or my students have) PROVED the theorem, Perelman and Hamilton have both done work allowing me to do so." Of course, since what Perelman did is considered by many mathematicians to actually BE the first complete proof, Yau's letter essentially confirms what he's being accused of doing. The fight is about who has the first complete proof, not how much recognition Perelman should have been received in the paper.

    Legally, this sounds like a lot of hot air. The letter isn't a legal document, and well-established precedents in defamation law protect journalists in cases such as this where the event is easily newsworthy and the people involved have become public figures. Yau is relying less on any legal basis he has, and more on being able to use the letter as evidence that he's outraged by his portrayal in the article.

    1. Re:Lawsuit sounds meritless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      IANAL, and it is a felony to practice law without a license here in California. Further, I only know about American defamation law, having been involved in it professionally, and am aware that things are quite different in Great Britain. However, for an American, this letter lays out a necessary but not sufficient argument and basis. I am not discussing the underlying Mathematics, but merely the legal requirements for libel and/or slander.

      To win a defamation suit, 3 things must be proved:
      (1) The publication is false, or made with a reckless disregard for the truth;
      (2) The false or reckless statements are taken as fact, not mere opinion, by at least one member of the audience;
      (3) Actual damages have taken place as a result.

      The first two are made plausible, although perhaps fall short of compelling.

      No actual damages are even outlined. That is, nowhere is the contention established that, for instance, Dr. Yau was to have been given a job, award (as opposed to a second Fields medal for which he is not eligible, by age), book contract, or the like, BUT for the New Yorker article.

      That is, Yau's feelings might be hurt, but that is not for the courts to adjudicate. Without damages, there is no tort, and nothing for the legal system to make him whole (i.e. award him some money).

      There are exceptions and exceptions to the exceptions if Dr. Yau is as a matter of fact a Public Figure.

      Professor Jonathan Vos Post
      ex-Adjunct Professor of Mathematics, Woodbury University
      ex-Adjunct Professor of Astronomy, Cypress College

  64. truth by vlad119 · · Score: 0

    Perlman really did some outstanding work on this one and the main stream Mathematics comunity backs him up. It is strange that Yua, a fields medalist himself, who has experienced truth on a deeper level than the vast majority of the population can not see the truth of his own behavior.

  65. Re:Defamation -- Sample Call ... by freepath · · Score: 1

    Lawyer: Hi, I'm calling from the Law Office representing your esteemed peer Dr. Lau of Harvard University.

    Source: Yes ... uhh ... Hello. What can I do for you?

    Lawyer: Did you lie about the good Dr. Yau to a reporter?

    Source: Of course not! I would never do that ... How absolutely absurd!

    Lawyer: Dr. Yau is poised to sue everyone who has said anything bad about him. This is slated to be a *really big* academic scandal.

    Source: I'm not involved! IF SOMEONE SAID I SPOKE BADLY OF YAU IT'S A LIE!!!

    Lawyer: Well, that's great. We all knew the reporter with no prior connection to him was just trying unreasonably to make him look bad.

    Source: (privately) Gawd. That vindictive bastard will stop at nothing to get his way! He goes public with everything in a big way! I hope I can stay on his good side. ... I've got to work in this academic community too.

  66. Re:Defamation -- Sample Call ... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 0

    Slimy hairy layers, money, lawsuits, fame.....Is Lau a Californian? Maybe Red China is taking a lesson in making money from Red California - Claim that every negative remark made about you is a lie, and sue everybody who doesn't like or agree with you.

    Wow, I though China just had everybody who spoke against them dragged into the street and shot. I guess the profitability of moving from executions to lawsuits finally got through to them. Red China taking tips from Red California? Yikes!

    I want to give credit to the individual who uses this as his sig, but I forgot his SlashDot User name, so I apologize for not listing their name. I think this is PERFECT for the situation at hand:
    "Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue." - SlashDot user (ID forgotten)

    --
    Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
  67. Yau's student's claim credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In their paper: "A Complete Proof of the Poincaré and Geometrization Conjectures - application of the Hamilton-Perelman theory of the Ricci flow" Yau's students Cao and Zhu claim the following in their abstract:

    "Abstract. In this paper, we give a complete proof of the Poincaré and the geometrization conjectures. This work depends on the accumulative works of many geometric analysts in the past thirty years. This proof should be considered as the crowning achievement of the Hamilton-Perelman theory of Ricci flow."

    In other words they are claiming credit for the Poincaré proof ("the crowning achievement"), when their work consists of merely filling out the details of Perelman's proof. Nasar's article in this respect does not appear inaccurate.

    1. Re:Yau's student's claim credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The minute I read the title "Hamilton-Perelman theory of the Ricci flow", there was no doubt in my mind Yau is trying to usurp credit. It's his way of being magnanimous by "granting" Perleman joint custody of the theory that "allowed" Yau to "complete" the proof... this is beyond insulting! It only confirms what I've always thought; Yau is a greedy, pompous ass that thinks he is the be-all and end-all of maths... and all those quoted as saying they were duped by the newswoman are just yellow-bellied chickens chickening out now that their real opinions about Yau are out in the open and there might be consequences.

      *This* is science? These are scientists? No wonder Perleman doesn't give a damn...

  68. Re:Does anyone actually doubt that Yau is a thief? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're *his* students. He supervised and directed their work. He helped write the paper. The fact that his name is not there is not relevant. They're his students, they reflect on him.

    Now, for claim of giving first proof, let's read the abstract, shall we?

    "Abstract. In this paper, we give a complete proof of the Poincaré and the geometrization conjectures. This work depends on the accumulative works of many geometric analysts in the past thirty years. This proof should be considered as the crowning achievement of the Hamilton-Perelman theory of Ricci flow."

    "We give a complete proof of ..."
    It doesn't say the *first* complete proof, that's true, but...

    "This proof should be considered as the crowning achievement of the Hamilton-Perelman theory of Ricci flow."
    ... this does. It fails to state that gap-plugging papers, as this one is supposed to be, are not *crowning achievements* because they add nothing new. It fails to state that the paper is not based on the Ricci flow theory, but on Perleman's proof. That is really the worst part. It's like "hey, nice proof Perleman. Now that we read it, let's rewrite it in our own words, and say that we rewrote it based on the Ricci theory, and that we never read yours (do you even exist?!?)"

    You can argue all you want that that was not their *intention*, but hell is full of people with good intentions. This is a mathematical paper. By definition, it is logical, precise. There are no underlying *intentions*. If they meant the paper as being merely to expand and fill the gaps that Perleman didn't on his proof, they would have said so. They didn't. They claimed it was a crowning achievement based on a theory Perleman himself based his work on. So they skipped over Perleman, essentially.

    It's a big load of stinky poo to me. And, for all intents and purposes, it's stealing. And what everyone realizes, wisely and objectively, is that, though his students have their name on it, Yau is the one at fault. As they should. And as you should too, independently of whether you're chinese or not.

    And you should realize as well that any scientist of any country might have done the same thing. This is not a question of being chinese or not. Human nature is human nature, and Dr. Yau has been displaying his nature for quite some time now. Honesty and integrity are universal, as are greed and selfishness. And honor. Look deep into Yau's actions, and tell me with a straight face that he has been honourable, honest and integral throughout all this process.

  69. new discussion system by 6foothobbit · · Score: 1

    I like the new sytem in general, showing the start of modded down posts makes it alot easier to look back and see what other posts are refering to.
    The one problem I have is with the floating pane on the left. It may be because I don't load images on slashdot, but the background of this pane is transparent on my display, making it quite hard to read.

  70. Most Serious Claims Against Prof. Yau. by mathmatters · · Score: 1

    Let us not lose sight of one of the most important claims made against Prof Yau by the New Yorker investigative report at issue.

    True or false, did Yau publish the Cao and Zhu paper WITHOUT peer review? Considering Yau has such a personal interest in this topic and Cau was reportedly his phd student, we deserve an answer. Have any editorial members publicly refuted the New Yorker article's claim that;

    "On April 13th of this year, the thirty-one mathematicians on the editorial board of the Asian Journal of Mathematics received a brief e-mail from Yau and the journal's co-editor informing them that they had three days to comment on a paper by Xi-Ping Zhu and Huai-Dong Cao titled "The Hamilton-Perelman Theory of Ricci Flow: The Poincaré and Geometrization Conjectures," which Yau planned to publish in the journal. The e-mail did not include a copy of the paper, reports from referees, or an abstract. At least one board member asked to see the paper but was told that it was not available." (New Yorker, Nasser, Gruber).

    2. Did the title of Cao and Zhu's manuscript really change at the last moment?

    The New Yorker article claims the title was changed from:

    "The Hamilton-Perelman Theory of Ricci Flow: The Poincaré and Geometrization Conjectures"
    to
    "Complete Proof of the Poincaré and Geometrization Conjectures - Application of the Hamilton-Perelman theory of the Ricci flow."

    If the above is true, then Prof Yau has some explaining to do!

    1. Re:Most Serious Claims Against Prof. Yau. by leg28 · · Score: 1

      here is the info on the subject from blog http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/2006/09/yau-stri kes-back_18.html Anonymous said... I saw this alleged letter Yau sent to the editors in Asian Journal of Mathematics, and it makes me wonder who'are the real referees behind? Dear Editors, The paper The Hamilton-Perelman Theory of Ricci Flow ---the Poincare and geometrization conjectures by Huai-Dong Cao and Xi-Ping Zhu has been read by Prof. S.T. Yau and he has recommended the paper be published in the Asian Journal of Mathematics. I would be most grateful if you could send me your comments within the next three days. If no comments are received by then, the paper is considered accepted for publication. Thank you very much for your help. Very best regards, S.T. Yau Raymond Chan

  71. question your model by adamgolding · · Score: 1

    I've said it before: these figures can make sense if some of the work was duplicated. I.e. if 5% of the work got done twice.

    Not to mention that the figures are qualified as approximations, and the estimates may come from different sources for each figure.

  72. Ms. Nasar Hunts Chinese Witches by China+N.+Math · · Score: 1
    Ms. Nasar Hunts Chinese Witches

    (1) In Ms. Nasar's article with Mr. Gruber, she labeled both Professors Shing-Tung Yau and Shiing-Shen Chern as "the Chinese mathematician". In fact, both are U.S. citizens born in China. It is important to note that only mathematicians of Chinese heritage were labeled this way in the article. This labeling is in contrary to the common practice of using the term "Chinese American mathematician" in the mainstream news media in both the U.S. and China. (In Chinese media, Yau and Chern are called "mei ji hua ren"-U.S. citizen of Chinese heritage.) Ms. Nasar went to length to describe the contributions of Yau and Chern to the scientific development in China but neglected to mention that both were awarded this nation's highest scientific honor, the National Medal of Science. The subliminal message is that both Yau and Chern work only to advance the Chinese interest. Such bigotry is nothing new in this country: Jewish people have been subject to such stereotype for a long time. (2) While there were extensive discussions on original ideas in mathematics in this 14-page long article, not a single sentence, as far as I know, associated mathematicians of Chinese heritage to originality. Even the originality of Yau's Fields Medal work was downplayed. This article promotes the false and harmful stereotypes that mathematicians of Chinese heritage are "technical" but not "original". (See an open letter to Ms. Nasar for more detail on this point.) (3) Seven mathematicians of Chinese heritage were named in the article: Yau, Chern, Gang Tian, Huai-Dong Cao, Xi-Ping Zhu, Kefeng Liu, Bong H. Lian (implicitly, as the coauthor of Liu and Yau). While there was only minimal coverage on Chern, all six others were alleged, one way or another, to involve in plagiary and/or claiming undeserved credits. More importantly, in the article, no other mathematicians but only those of Chinese heritage were alleged to involve of such unethical practices. This is biased, prejudiced, and, in fact, racist. To illustrate this point, substitute all Chinese names by Jewish names, China by Israel, and Chinese by Jewish. This article would then have been easily recognized as anti-Semitic. (4) This is not the first time Ms. Nasar spews anti-Chinese venom. In her article Best Business Book 2003: Globalization, she promoted the book World on Fire by Amy Chua. Here is what Ms. Nasar wrote:

    Chua compares the wealthy Chinese, like her aunt, who dominate the markets of many Asian countries to the successful Jews of Europe in the 1920s. "In the Philippines, millions of Filipinos work for Chinese; almost no Chinese work for Filipinos. The Chinese dominate industry and society at every level.... When foreign investors do business in the Philippines they deal almost exclusively with Chinese." When she was 8 years old, she recalls, she stumbled into the servant quarters in her aunt's villa: "My family's houseboys, gardeners, and chauffeurs ... were sleeping on mats on a dirt floor. The place smelled of sweat and urine. I was horrified."
    This is bigotry, pure and simple. It is now well established that Ms. Nasar distorted other people's statements to fit her own agenda. ("As it appears in her article, she has purposefully distorted my statement and made it unforgivably misleading." ---Dan Stroock of MIT.) There were also controversies regarding Ms. Nasar's A Beautiful Mind about the anti-Semitic statements that she attributed to Mr. John Nash. (See, for example, An Anti-Semitic Mind? by Tom Tugent at The Jewish Journal.)
    1. Re:Ms. Nasar Hunts Chinese Witches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, "China N. Math" has been submitting this exact same bigoted and inane posting to numerous blogs concerning this subject.

      Perhaps "China N. Math" is being paid by Mr. Yau and the high-priced public relations firm that he has hired to spread such nonsense. Given Yau's past history this wouldn't be so surprising.

  73. We all have limited intellect... by chaboud · · Score: 1

    We all have limited intellect, and how we choose to address the limits of our abilities is where I have a problem with Yau's behavior. I don't think that he's some sort of math pretender in the general sense. He definitely has serious mathematical chops, but what he's done when his considerable (but, yes, limited) intellect has come up short is over-inflate his contributions, or those of his students or colleagues, and fail to credit others appropriately. It's not about who you believe. This is information on the face of his behavior and on his own writings. It's definitely not unique to him, but that doesn't make it any better. We shouldn't give Yau a pass for ugly behavior because of the race card.

    Posting behind AC and saying that the New Yorker article is my only source of information when I've been following geometrization off and on for the last ten years is just silly. There's no merit in being counter to the prevailing sentiment when the prevailing sentiment stands so much in the right.

    I had a professor tell me once after I'd been a hot-head: "The thing you need to learn is that absolutely every endeavor is political." It took several years, and plenty of hot-headed exchanges, for the weight of that to sink in, but he was right. Maybe Yau just needs to learn to be more subtle.

  74. Richard Hamiltonresponds to the New Yorker (Sep25) by tonysu · · Score: 1

    Prof. Richard Hamilton, Columbia Univ., responds to the New Yorker article, September 25, 2006 http://doctoryau.com/hamiltonletter.pdf Howard M Cooper Todd & Weld LLP 28 State Street, Boston, MA 02109 Direct Dial (617) 624-4713 / Fax (617) 227-5777 hcooper@toddweld.com September 25, 2006 Dear Mr. Cooper I am very disturbed by the unfair manner in which Yau Shing-Tung has been portrayed in the New Yorker article. I am providing my thoughts below to set the record straight. I authorize you to share this letter with the New Yorker and the public if that will be helpful to Yau. As soon as my first paper on the Ricci Flow on three dimensional manifolds with positive Ricci curvature was complete in the early '80's,Yau immediately recognized it's importance;and although I had proved a result on which he had been working with minimal surfaces,rather than exhibit any jealosy he became my strongest supporter.He pointed out to me way back then that the Ricci Flow would form the neck pinch singularities,undoing the connected sum decomposition,and that this could lead to a proof of the Poincare conjecture. In 1985 he brought me to UC San Diego together with Rick Schoen and Gerhard Huisken,and we had a very exciting and productive group in Geometric Analysis.Huisken was working on the Mean Curvature Flow for hypersurfaces,which closely parallels the Ricci Flow,being the most natural flows for intrinsic and extrinsic curvature respectively.Yau repeatedly urged us to study the blow-up of singularities in these parabolic equations using techniques parallel to those developed for elliptic equations like the minimal surface equation,on which Yau and Rick are experts.Without Yau's guidance and support at this early stage,there would have been no Ricci Flow program for Perelman to finish. Yau also had some outstanding students at San Diego who had come with him from Princeton, in particular Cao Huai-Dong,Ben Chow and Shi Wan- Xiong. Yau encouraged them to work on the Ricci Flow,and all made very important contributions to the field.Cao proved existence for all time for the normalized Ricci Flow in the canonical Kaehler case ,and convergence for zero or negative Chern class.Cao's results form the basis for Perelman's exciting work on the Kaehler Ricci Flow,where he shows for positive Chern class that the diameter and scalar curvature are bounded. Ben Chow,in addition to excellent work on other flows,extended my work on the Ricci Flow on the two dimensional sphere to the case of curvature of varying sign.Shi Wan- Xiong pioneered the study of the Ricci Flow on complete noncompact manifolds,and in addition to many beautiful arguments he proved the local derivative estimates for the Ricci Flow.The blow-up of singularities usually produces noncompact solutions,and the proof of convergence to the blow-up limit always depends on Shi's derivative estimates; so Shi's work is central to all the limit arguments Perelman and I use. In '82 Yau and Peter Li wrote an exceedingly important paper giving a pointwise differential inequality for linear heat equations which can be integrated along curves to give classic Harnack inequalities. Yau repeatedly urged me to study this paper,and based on their approach I was able to prove Harnack inequalities for the Ricci Flow and for the Mean Curvature Flow. This Harnack inequality,generalized from Li-Yau,forms the basis for the analysis of ancient solutions which I started, and which Perelman completed and uses as the basic tool in his canonical neighborhood theorem. Cao Huai-Dong proved the Harnack estimate for the Ricci Flow in the Kahler case,and Ben Chow did the same for the Yamabe Flow and the Gauss Curvature Flow. But there is more to this story. Perelman's most important is his noncollapsing result for Ricci Flow,valid in all dimensions,not just three,and thus one whose importance for the future extends well beyond the Poincare conjecture,where it is the tool for ruling out cigars,the one part of the singularity classification

  75. Re:Richard Hamiltonresponds to the New Yorker (Sep by tonysu · · Score: 1

    Prof. Richard Hamilton, Columbia Univ., responds to the New Yorker article, September 25, 2006

    http://doctoryau.com/hamiltonletter.pdf

    Howard M Cooper
    Todd & Weld LLP
    28 State Street, Boston, MA 02109
    Direct Dial (617) 624-4713 / Fax (617) 227-5777
    hcooper@toddweld.com

    September 25, 2006

    Dear Mr. Cooper

    I am very disturbed by the unfair manner in which Yau Shing-Tung has been portrayed in the New Yorker article. I am providing my thoughts below to set the record straight. I authorize you to share this letter with the New Yorker and the public if that will be helpful to Yau.

    As soon as my first paper on the Ricci Flow on three dimensional manifolds with positive Ricci curvature was complete in the early '80's,Yau immediately recognized it's importance;and although I had proved a result on which he had been working with minimal surfaces,rather than exhibit any jealosy he became my strongest supporter.He pointed out to me way back then that the Ricci Flow would form the neck pinch singularities,undoing the connected sum decomposition,and that this could lead to a proof of the Poincare conjecture. In 1985 he brought me to UC San Diego together with Rick Schoen and Gerhard Huisken,and we had a very exciting and productive group in Geometric Analysis.Huisken was working on the Mean Curvature Flow for hypersurfaces,which closely parallels the Ricci Flow,being the most natural flows for intrinsic and extrinsic curvature respectively.Yau repeatedly urged us to study the blow-up of singularities in these parabolic equations using techniques parallel to those developed for elliptic equations like the minimal surface equation,on which Yau and Rick are experts.Without Yau's guidance and support at this early stage,there would have been no Ricci Flow program for Perelman to finish.

    Yau also had some outstanding students at San Diego who had come with him from Princeton, in particular Cao Huai-Dong,Ben Chow and Shi Wan- Xiong. Yau encouraged them to work on the Ricci Flow,and all made very important contributions to the field.Cao proved existence for all time for the normalized Ricci Flow in the canonical Kaehler case ,and convergence for zero or negative Chern class.Cao's results form the basis for Perelman's exciting work on the Kaehler Ricci Flow,where he shows for positive Chern class that the diameter and scalar curvature are bounded. Ben Chow,in addition to excellent work on other flows,extended my work on the Ricci Flow on the two dimensional sphere to the case of curvature of varying sign.Shi Wan- Xiong pioneered the study of the Ricci Flow on complete noncompact manifolds,and in addition to many beautiful arguments he proved the local derivative estimates for the Ricci Flow.The blow-up of singularities usually produces noncompact solutions,and the proof of convergence to the blow-up limit always depends on Shi's derivative estimates; so Shi's work is central to all the limit arguments Perelman and I use.

    In '82 Yau and Peter Li wrote an exceedingly important paper giving a pointwise differential inequality for linear heat equations which can be integrated along curves to give classic Harnack inequalities. Yau repeatedly urged me to study this paper,and based on their approach I was able to prove Harnack inequalities for the Ricci Flow and for the Mean Curvature Flow. This Harnack inequality,generalized from Li-Yau,forms the basis for the analysis of ancient solutions which I started, and which Perelman completed and uses as the basic tool in his canonical neighborhood theorem. Cao Huai-Dong proved the Harnack estimate for the Ricci Flow in the Kahler case,and Ben Chow did the same for the Yamabe Flow and the Gauss Curvature Flow.

    But there is more to this story. Perelman's most important is his noncollapsing result for Ricci Flow,valid in all dimensions,not just three,and thus one whose importance for the future extends well beyond the Poincare conjecture,where it is the tool fo