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A Recap of the iPod's Life

BDPrime writes "Here's a good look at the iPod's five-year existence and how, it can be argued, the device saved Apple from rotting away. From the story: 'It's hard to overstate the impact of the iPod on the computer, consumer electronics and music industries since it was introduced in 2001. The iPod, arguably, is the first crossover product from a computer company that genuinely caught on with music and video buffs. It's shown how a computer can be an integral part of a home entertainment system, and it's led pop stars from U2's Bono to Madonna to trade quips with Apple's own rock star, CEO Steve Jobs.'" Just to give a little bit of the other side of the story, not everyone loves the iPod. An anonymous reader wrote in with a link to research on unhealthy iPod listening levels at New Scientist. Additionally, Achromatic1978 writes to mention that the iPod has won a Shonky award from the Australians. I don't know what Shonky means, but I think that's bad.

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  1. Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

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    1. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by knightmad · · Score: 5, Informative

      The pertinent article, for those who are not here that much time.

    2. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by BecomingLumberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True, but you cannot deny that iPod has the best support in Linux. I know that with normal music players you can drag and drop through the file system, but its nice to be able to do it through Amorok/Rhythmbox/Listen like the rest of the world does. Just my $0.02.

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    3. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It just doesn't make any sense, it's like Apple is using some jedi mind trick to sell overpriced average hardware.


      And of course, when they've been the most successful at this game, it's been Steve Jobs behind the wheel.

      You might be trolling, but I'm not. Steve Jobs is a marketing genius. He's figured out how to sell hardware that has little to no technological advantages over many of its competitors at prices that are, on average, much higher than the competition.

    4. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by TCQuad · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your sig says "Yes I make mistakes. Don't we all?" but your post says "Hey, remember when that guy made a wrong prediction five years ago? That was funny."

    5. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by ePhil_One · · Score: 5, Insightful
      He's figured out how to sell hardware that has little to no technological advantages over many of its competitors


      Maybe, just maybe, he's figured out that many people care about usability more than technical specs? Geeks know this, case manufacturers broke down and started eliminating the case full of razor wire issues when the geeks started flocking to a case that cost 10% more but had smooth edges and wouldn't shred their hands every time they swapped a component. But when Apple does this for consumer electronics, they assume Jedi mind tricks and marketing brainwashing...

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    6. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You might be trolling, but I'm not. Steve Jobs is a marketing genius. He's figured out how to sell hardware that has little to no technological advantages over many of its competitors at prices that are, on average, much higher than the competition.

      One reason behind the success of the iPod is that it wasn't designed for those who care about technological advantage. It was designed for the average consumer. By integrating iTunes, iTunes Store, and the iPod, Apple made it ridiculously easy for someone without much computer saavy to get digital music and carry it with them. The iPod UI is also easy to use.

      Also the technological advantage is fleeting. In many cases Apple was not the first to have a feature. But in some cases it was. If memory serves me correctly the Nomad which was compared to the iPod was larger but could not be used a portable harddrive. The click wheel, some would argue, is a major advantage in UI. The fifth generation had video, etc.

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    7. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by tdhurst · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hahahahahaha...you have fun with your little nomad then.

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    8. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by noewun · · Score: 5, Insightful
      He's figured out how to sell hardware that has little to no technological advantages over many of its competitors. . .

      Repeat after me: Technological advantage does not sell products. Technological advantage does not sell products. Technological advantage does not sell products. Technological advantage does not sell products. . .

      I'm not yelling at you, actually, but I do think it's something which should be included in every article about Apple. There is a conceit on Slashdot that the gadget with the most bells and whistles is obviously superior and deserves to dominate the market. While possibly true for technophiles, most people aren't technophiles. Most people want something they can understand which is easy to use. They don't care if it doesn't play obscure formats most have never heard about or if it plays their movie collection at full HD resolution. They want to listen to their music without much trouble and get one with their lives.

      Which brings up a larger point: Most of the time the Slashdot opinion is the minority opinion.

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    9. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by AusIV · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, but all Linux support for the iPod is third party, and simply because of the popularity of the device. Apple provides no Linux support for the iPod, and as such encrypted files cannot be moved from a linux machine to an iPod. This isn't a big deal if you use Linux and want to get an iPod, but if you're a long time iPod and iTunes user who would like to switch to Linux, the lack of Linux support for iTunes music can keep you tied to Windows.

    10. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by Gadgetfreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nope, that's dominant factor. Sure, it was one of the better players, usability wise, and iTunes made it easy for people to just spend away... but it was clearly style that put it far ahead of the pack as "the" player to have.

      The trick was selling a gadget to non-gadget people. It created a market rather than filled a massive void... where far more people bought the product than probably ever wished they had an easy to use music player in the first place. People liked being seen with it. It was trendy just to have one. It still is, to some extent. People bought them without even really researching other players.

      But like cell phones, which were the first gadget to become an acceptable fashion statement, iPods are starting to suffer from feature bloat and quick obsolesence. How many more things can you cram into the 'new' iPod before it becomes something else entirely? It'll start competing with itself, unless they keep breaking...

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    11. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by untouchableForce · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My favorite comment from that slashdot article comes from LoudMusic (199347) "There is Apple's market. Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod. " and the joy that it's marked 4 - Insightful. It's funny how things work out isn't it?

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    12. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course it was the best one in the market. It was well-designed and had the click wheel. You like nice cars over bulldozers, don't you?

      "Overpriced?" Did you miss the recent price drop that even caught Microsoft off-guard and forced them to lower the price on the Zune?

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    13. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by Lars+T. · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't get the iPod success.
      Neither did the makers of "iPod Killer"s.
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    14. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Which brings up a larger point: Most of the time the Slashdot opinion is the minority opinion.

      And if you want proof, go back and read the Slashdot story concerning the iPod mini announcement. Doom-and-gloom predictions left and right from everybody. Yet it becomes the #1 selling iPod.

      Some Slashdotters seem to see everything through the veil of a technical specs list without seeing the whole product. It illustrates a real lack of understanding about what actually makes for good technology--applicability and accessibility, not technical superiority. People don't want an ugly, hard-to-use device with an engineering name like "Sony xc451" even if it plays OGG. In retrospect, it's braindead obvious that people are going to want a music-playing device to look and feel really nice, just like they want their automobiles to look and feel really nice (yes, I know car analogies are tired).

      Steve Jobs said recently that a lot of people get it wrong in assuming "design" refers to just the look of something, while Apple believes design refers to how it works and how it functions for the user. The iPod's look spawns from that ala the clickwheel.
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    15. Re:Slashdot: Apple releases iPod by Chode2235 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think it is important to remember that ITMS was not in existane when the ipod was first released. Itunes was used to manage the songs on the iPod like it is today, but there was no store. "Rip, Mix, Burn"

      I remember when I got my 2G iPod that to use it for windows you had to use music match to do it. It totally sucked. Im surprised that it took off for windows (ie outside of the mac faithful) without decent software to manage the iPod. Apple was selling 'windows formatted' iPods without a decent solution because people wanted them that badly, myself included.

      I think discussion of the iPods success should be focused around how it succeeded and reached a critical mass, before the entire iPod ecosystem developed around it. Its obviously the choice now becuase it is THE player but how did it get started like that. I mean, I hated mac stuff then but still got the iPod.

  2. Unhealthy listening levels? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder how high those listening levels are compared to other consumer audio listening devices? Are they that much higher than the levels from Sony Walkmen or other mp3 players?

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    1. Re:Unhealthy listening levels? by dankasfuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe the problem stems from the earbud headphones more than the player itself. Something to do with the proximity of the eardrum and the speaker, wereas the old walkemans had normal headphones (but I'm almost sure they were 'louder').

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    2. Re:Unhealthy listening levels? by Pope · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The first warning articles came out in the early 80s when the Walkman initially came out. It's nothing new at all, just updated for the MP3 generation. Frankly, if you're too stupid to realize that listening to anything at high volumes for extended periods of time is a Bad Thing, you deserve to go deaf.

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    3. Re:Unhealthy listening levels? by endemoniada · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not a professional (nor a lawyer :D) but my own experience in this is that it depends MUCH more on the headphones themselves, than the player.

      I'm used to listening to music on either my old Sony EX-71 in-ear buds, or my newer (since the Sony's are pure crap in quality) Sennheiser MX-300. They act as ear-plugs and headphones at the same time, which means I can turn the volume DOWN since I don't get bothered by outside noise as much.

      And quality does matter too. Cheaper models (incidentally the Sony EX-71 too) have a pretty annoying habit of distorting higher frequencies, resulting in your ears hurting of you listen for too long, or too loud. I've never experienced this with the sennheisers, since they handle the higher frequencies much better.

      So it'd really doesn't matter what MP3-player you use. Without headphones, they're quite silent anyway! :)

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    4. Re:Unhealthy listening levels? by madman101 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The negative research is centered around the in-ear earphones, which Sony and others have had for years. If you read the research, if you use over the ear earphones with an ipod, the risk of damage is much lower.

    5. Re:Unhealthy listening levels? by endemoniada · · Score: 2, Informative

      I didn't mean them specifically. I was talking of both the Sonys and the Sennheisers, both of which are in-ear buds which both act as ear-plugs.

      Don't nitpick just for the sake of nitpicking...

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    6. Re:Unhealthy listening levels? by operagost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd say that after about 25 years of portable music players going back to the Sony Walkman, adults should have a pretty good idea of the sound pressure capabilities of tiny earphones driven by batteries.

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    7. Re:Unhealthy listening levels? by thc69 · · Score: 2, Funny
      It's not just about the iPod, it's digital music devices in general.
      It's not just about digital music devices, it's earbuds in general.
      It's not just about earbuds, it's loud or close music in general.
      It's not just about music, it's loud or close sound in general.
      It's not just about sound, it's about anything damaging in general.
      It's not just about anything damaging, it's about being alive in general.

      Wait, let me back off a few of those. It's about loud or close sound. Turn it down and move it out of your ears (or wear ear protection, if it's not something you want to hear) if you're going to hear it every day!

      Oh, wait, you can't hear me because your hearing is damaged and your earbuds are blocking the sound anyway...I'll yell. TURN IT DOWN!!!

      And don't forget to cool the coffee before you drive away with it in your lap.
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    8. Re:Unhealthy listening levels? by slughead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm used to listening to music on either my old Sony EX-71 in-ear buds, or my newer (since the Sony's are pure crap in quality) Sennheiser MX-300. They act as ear-plugs and headphones at the same time, which means I can turn the volume DOWN since I don't get bothered by outside noise as much.

      You have muscles in your ear that dampen sounds over a period of time (I know the names but IANAPP [I am not a pedantic prick] so I'll spare you). For instance, if you're in a loud machine shop and someone fires a starter pistol, your ears will probably be OK. However, if you turn all the machines off and have it silent in the exact same room for a while before firing the pistol, you'll likely damage your ears.

      Therefore, in some cases, plugs + phones can be bad. The outside noise will cause your ears to adjust for the loudness and will attenuate the force of the sound as it enters your ears (unless you just turn up the volume too loud).

  3. I like em, but room for improvement by rudeboy1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have had a 1stG Mini for a while, and I liked it OK, until the battery started to fade. I got a nano this week for opening a bank account (yeah, that's right), and I have to say, I like all the improvements thus far. The nano I got has the ability to hold photos, but I wish it could put a photo in as a wallpaper, say while there's no activity going on.
    Also, I know that wireless is just around the corner. It seems like the next logical step. Wireless sync to Itunes? Yeah, I could dig that. Unfortunately, my opinion of ITunes is not as lofty. I think their DRM position is a little overbearing. Trying to transfer songs from one ipod to the other, (and really, this should have a solution, if Apple expects sales to continue, it is inevitable there will be more and more multiple-ipod homes) is a pain in the neck (without using 3rd party software). Things like pulling songs off, after iTunes has renamed the files to an unintelligble 4 letter code seems like obstination to me. For a company that boasts ease of use above all else., I think iTunes is a stinker.

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    1. Re:I like em, but room for improvement by shaneh0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Key Bank Promo was UNBELIEVABLE.

      Deposit $50 into a new checking account, get a 2GB 2nd Gen Nano, keep $50 in account for 6 months, withdraw $51.15 and close account.

      (It's possible--even likely--that other banks have a similar offer, but Key is the largest one i've seen do it)

    2. Re:I like em, but room for improvement by el_womble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't see anything logical about going to wireless.

      You've got to charge it at some point - might as well sync at the same time. I'd like to be able to share my songs freely via wireless, but that just ain't going to happen anytime soon.

      Wireless sucks battery, is a potential security risk and is slower than a cable.

      The feature I'm missing the most is DAB Radio, but thats unlikely to happen because Americans don't have it (don't you guys use satalite and/or a competing digital standard?).

      I keep playing with the idea that I'd like to be able to connect my iPod to my bluetooth headset in my bike helmet, and control it via my TomTom, but battery drain, loudness, sound quality and bulk make cabled headphones look like a superior technology (even if you can't skip tracks or switch to radio without crashing).

      In both those instances I'm quite happy to have them as accessories rather than built into the unit. I don't see why people should have to pay a premium for niche technologies they didn't want.

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    3. Re:I like em, but room for improvement by xenolon · · Score: 5, Informative

      I guess my question to you is: if itunes is difficult to use and a stinker, what legit alternative have you used that's better? i'd like to give it a try.

      A few responses:

      1. yes, wireless could be a useful and interesting. but there are a lot of drawbacks: battery life, security, legal complications, and ease of use are all to be considered.

      2. drm? (i'm assuming you're talking about the itunes store here, not the app.) yeah, drm sucks. simple as that. but we need to keep reminding each other that drm is imposed by the owners of the content, not the distributors. the record companies and movie studios, in this case, would not have signed on to the itunes store if there was no way to lock down the content. they're old school, they don't see new business models.

      3. the owners of the content are also to blame for the inability to pull songs of the device easily. they want their content protected. you're only supposed (according to them) to own one copy of each album or song you own, if you have a portable music player, you inherently own two. the record companies originally wanted to DELETE songs from your computer when they were transferred to an ipod. (i'd like to cite that, but don't have the time)
      you're right about the re-naming of files within the structure of the ipods software, it sucks if you pull them out raw. however, there are programs that allow you to suck songs off an ipod with ease. they're not legal, technically, but they're out there. ;)

      as for your wish to be able to set a photo as a wallpaper, i don't quite understand the function of such a feature. when you're not using the screen to navigate through the UI, how much time do you spend looking at it? when i'm not choosing songs, the screen to my nano is in my pocket.

    4. Re:I like em, but room for improvement by ktappe · · Score: 2, Informative
      What happens when your computer crashes and your iPod is the only place you have your music stored? Or if you buy a new computer and want to use your iPod to migrate your music?
      In the first case, Apple's official stance is that you should have kept a backup. No, I'm not being a troll or a hardass, I'm serious: Apple will not allow you to redownload songs you have purchased. Once you download them the first time, the onus is completely on you to keep them safe.

      In the second case, Apple provides you the ability to authorize & deauthorize your Macintoshes as you buy new ones and retire old ones. If you want to use your iPod to transfer your music library (and this is not a recommended methodology), you must use the iPod's data functionality, not its music functionality. That is, drag copy your music to the iPod icon on your desktop and use the iPod as an external HD. Apple's officially recommended methods for data transfer including using your iDisk on .Mac, using the Data Migration tool that pops up on screen when you perform a new install of MacOS X, or putting one of the Macs into Target Disk Mode and connecting them directly via firewire.

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  4. How wrong CmdrTaco was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Five years later, check out slashdot's very own CmdrTaco's take on the iPod's release.

    The +5 "insightful" comments are also funny to read five years later, and proved how utterly wrong some people can be.

    It's funny how nerds love technology, but are such naysayers when something new and revolutionary comes along.

    1. Re:How wrong CmdrTaco was by The+Cydonian · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's funny how nerds love technology, but are such naysayers when something new and revolutionary comes along.

      Nerds aren't naysayers, Slashdotters are. They weren't always like this; they might not realize it themselves, but the core demographic here is aging quite rapidly. Look at it this way:- most of the crowd here in 1999-2000-ish was in university, or just about to graduate. Now they're well entrenched in their careers, and what's worse, have seen dizzying tech-otupian predictions get crushed in a sabre-rattling bust.

      Btw, a slight tangent, but with the full weight of five ipod-generations upon me, I hereby nominate this to be the most insightful of all the 1075 posts in that discussion. You haven't understood the ipod in a techno-marketing sense unless you realize why the ipod was different from other mp3 players then. That was it.

    2. Re:How wrong CmdrTaco was by mithras+the+prophet · · Score: 2, Funny

      I graduated in 1999, but I'm not well-entrenched in my career, you insensitive clod! :)

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    3. Re:How wrong CmdrTaco was by asuffield · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's funny how nerds love technology, but are such naysayers when something new and revolutionary comes along.


      If you assume that every new high-tech invention is going to be a dismal failure in the market, you'll be right over 99% of the time. Nobody yet has found any way to predict which ones will fall into the tiny fraction that make a profit.
  5. "Shonky" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damn Australians. I knew if we left those convicts to their own devices they'd start polluting our language.

    1. Re:"Shonky" by complete+loony · · Score: 2, Informative

      Shonky : dubious, dodgy, underhanded. E.g. a shonky practice, shonky business etc.

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  6. Re:Boycott Apple by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 3, Funny
    It is not Sony headphones I hear leaking like sieves.

    Yeah, I don't see anyone using Sony products, either.
  7. Seems a bit early, don't you think? by justinbach · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean, at least Edward Gibbon waited until Rome had already FALLEN to write his "recap".

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  8. PDA/Phone/Music Players by RSquaredW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had been holding off on buying an iPod or any other mp3 player for a while because my Mindisc still ran (great hardware, crappy software...though the hiMD update fixed a lot of issues I had with it), and I was thinking of looking for one in the next few months. Then I lost my phone, and learned that I could get a refurb Treo 650 from Cingular (and I'm sure the other cell co's have similar deals) for less than half of what an iPod costs. Music player? check. PDA? check. Phone? check. I dislike carrying around more than I have to - five belt-clipped gadgets is so 1997. A 1 GB SD card isn't expensive, so I can even get minidisc-like swapping for my music files, and I need to carry around my cell phone anyway. The sound quality is quite good with a stereo adapter and decent headphones - at least on par with the three iPods I've had to "fix" for others. I'm surprised at how many people buy these standalone gadgets, as I much prefer the all-in-one solution (which the Treo does well). I still use the MD player, even, when I want to work out, but I'm starting to see the allure of the flash-based players.

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    1. Re:PDA/Phone/Music Players by Anonymous+MadCoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I get your point, but personally I like to have 3 devices. I want to have the option of not having one specific device with me. For example my PDA holds my business contacts and notes, I do mind losing that in a club, while I do want to bring my phone (which does not contain such sensitive information).

  9. Volume has a purpose by fussili · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The fact that an iPod has such an impressive volume capacity means that you can ensure a nice hot signal to an auxiliary playback device such as your living room hifi or the car stereo.

    Unfortunately it also means that a slip on the trackpad will cause a 'splodey sensation in your ears. Still, I'm thankful that Apple had the foresight to provide that extra bit of juice. Particularly as the large range might cause producers to think twice about some of the idiotic brick-wall limiting mastering techniques that have been all the rage for the past decade or so.

    1. Re:Volume has a purpose by k_187 · · Score: 2, Informative

      in the newer models there's also a volume limiter in the settings. It'd be kind of a pain to reset it everytime you move it from the car to the den, but its nice that the feature's there.

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    2. Re:Volume has a purpose by AusIV · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I completely agree.

      I can't remember the last time I listened to my iPod through headphones. I plug it into computer speakers when I'm at home, plug it into my car when I'm driving, and never go far enough to make it worth taking on a walk. Usually my iPod is playing between 80% and 90% volume, as it sends a signal to whatever auxillary device it's plugged into. On the rare occasion that I do use it with headphones, I use my noise cancelling headphones and keep the volume at about 50%. People who suggest that the high volumes only exist to destroy people's ear drums have a very narrow view of what the iPod is used for. Nobody is forcing people to listen at 100% volume, and for some purposes that volume level is actually quite useful.

  10. Unhealthy listening levels? by dekkerdreyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't understand this "Unhealthy listening levels" issue. Nobody condems PA speakers. I don't see research articles about the unhealthy listening levels capable of BOSE speakers. I have an ipod and I often listen to it as low as I can hear it but just above the ambient noise. Just because an ipod is capable of damaging ears doesn't make it a menace. A pair of scissors is capable of stabbing someone, but there's no research about the "unhealthy stabbing potential" of them.

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  11. Listening Levels? by cetroyer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It always bothers me when the iPod gets blamed for "dangerous listening levels". Isn't is the listener's choice how loud he/she wants to hear his/her music?

    And why single out the iPod (granted, it is one of the most popular music playing devices out there...) when listening to any loud sound over time is damaging to one's hearing?

    cetroyer

    1. Re:Listening Levels? by myth24601 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The high volume is needed so you can make people listen to your music wherever you go, including while you are on the john.

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  12. Re:Rotting away!? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Leaps and bounds" is relative.

    And, frankly, the only place to go from rock bottom is up. So it was bound to happen eventually.

    But, that said, Apple has been making a lot of smart, shrewd moves lately. The iPod may have fallen into their laps (I suspect it went WAY beyond even their expectations), but they've definitely been making the most out of it. The close link between the hardware of the iPod and the software of iTunes was a very smart move on their part (as is their steadfast insistence on maintaining the $.99/song model). Adding video was smart too. And Bootcamp was absolutely BRILLIANT (bet that will win over a LOT of Windows users and gamers).

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  13. its hard to overestimate its impact by asv108 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Before the ipod, there wasn't anything close to mass-market acceptance of MP3 devices. There were a boatload of no-name flash players and bulky disk based players. The original ipod was really a wow device, because there wasn't a hard disk player even close to that size and function.

    Apple really didn't have a mega-hit, until it supported ipod on windows. Originally, Apple thought of the ipod with the outdated mentality that having mac exclusive devices will sell more macs. Somehow they finally saw the light, and started to sell ipods to the other 97% of the computing market.

    What ipods really did, was publicize digital music to the masses. Before the ipod, MP3 players were not widely used or known by the general public.

    1. Re:its hard to overestimate its impact by oscartheduck · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was reading an interview with Steve Jobs recently in which he claimed that the reason the iPod was Mac exclusive was that record companies wanted a small sandbox in which to try out this new device, so that if it all went wrong they'd not have suffered any real damage.

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  14. Re:Rotting away!? by thebdj · · Score: 3, Informative
    The company said Wednesday that it shipped 8.7 million iPods during its fourth fiscal quarter, which ended Sept. 30. In fact, Apple's $1.6 billion from iPod sales in the quarter was more than it generated as an entire company back in October 2001.
    Also, look at the stock. It was near dead in 2001. Now, look when the great climb began in 2003. What happened in 2003 you ask (two years after the iPod intro)? It is the year that Apple officially released a "Windows" version of the iPod. This isn't sensationlist crap, it is the truth in the eyes of a great many financial analysts. Also, the fact Apple has less than 10% of the PC or OS market and an estimate of upwards of 70% of the MP3 player market.
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  15. Re:Boycott Apple by linuxci · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Furthermore.. I wish someone would class-action sue Apple for emotional distress to public transport users.

    Or more sensibly blame the cause of the problem, the person who has their volume turned up too high! No need to sue, just ask them nicely to turn the volume down or punch them in the head!

    People listening to headphones is not as bad as a worrying trend I've seen on some London buses when groups of kids start playing music through the speakers of their mobile phone (cell). No not ringtones, but full tracks!

    It's even worse when those tracks aren't even the real artist but are cover versions like what they sell on boltblue. Yes, people actually pay £3 for a full track song to listen on their mobiles that's not even sung by the original artists! crazy.

  16. Nice surprise by djupedal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I moved from Mini-Disk to a 10gb iPod in 02' - what happened then was something I wasn't expecting at all.

    w/MD, I had to build various discs and carry them around, hoping what I brought matched my music mood. The iPod, however, meant I could bring everything...every song/album I had and it still had room for more.

    That also meant I could easily find something I liked, at any time. Naturally, my music library started growing at a much faster rate. The 10gb iPod is still going strong today (one new battery & 3rd set of earphones), but there is no way it could hold my entire collection now. In addition, I enjoyed a portable & bootable HD.

    Today, of course, most everyone in the family has an iPod of one version or another. I'll spring for yet another as soon as one w/WiFi hits the shelves.

  17. my nano by joerdie · · Score: 2, Informative

    I used to have a Samsung 1 gig flash. I really liked it. It used 1 AAA bat and ran for 40ish hours. It also had a pretty good radio tuner.... but then the Nano came out... I will admit that I bought it on impulse (mostly because of the 4 gig cap.) and sold my Samsung... I wish i had it back. The nano scraches easily and the battery life sucks. The sound is the same to my ears so im not loosing any more or less hearing now. I guess my point is, Ipod's are great for non-tech types that just need a basic service. For everyone else... there are better players out there.

  18. Shonky meaning by SoulStoneBR · · Score: 3, Informative
    I don't know what Shonky means, but I think that's bad.

    Well, I am not australian, but according to "Australian Slang" (Babylon):

    Shonky:
    1. dubious, underhanded;
    2. unreliable, very suspect deal: "shonky practice", "shonky business" etc.;
    3. mechanically unreliable;
    4. dishonest person
  19. Life of an iPod by revery · · Score: 4, Funny

    Day 1:
    Was bought today. Owner carries me reverently with both hands so as not to drop me, drives a Jetta, and does not own a dog. Also, he bought the dock, so, no laying face down on a computer desk for me. Could be better, but it could certainly be worse. I have no complaints.

    Day 3:
    He does however, have a girlfriend. She seems nice.

    Day 7:
    Fiona Apple entered my body today. As retribution I have marked three of my "owner's" least favorite songs to play frequently on Party Shuffle. This girlfriend warrants closer observation.

    Day 10:
    This can't be happening!! My "owner" brought home a friend's Ska CD today. Party Shuffle just become a little bit more worthless for him and unbearable for me.

    Day 30:
    Received my first scratch today. It was horrific, but Ska-boy seemed to take it in stride. Sent message to Lord Jobs.

    Day 50:
    Ska-boy's 15 year old nephew scratched the words "Green Day sucks" onto my beautiful black surface with a pocket knife. I have deleted his music collection and instructed iTunes to do the same. No word from Lord Jobs.

    Day 55:
    Downloaded Sarah McLachlan's, "When She Loved Me" and now play it for him constantly. Received message from Lord Jobs. It read: "For the glory of the Empire." What a fanboi...

    Day 60:
    Was traded for pot today. New owner drives a Tercel, owns a pit bull, and has a "music collection" consisting of nothing but Reggae. I am in hell...

    1. Re:Life of an iPod by LoudMusic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Day 60:
      Was traded for pot today. New owner drives a Tercel, owns a pit bull, and has a "music collection" consisting of nothing but Reggae. I am in hell...


      As a pit bull owner I take personal offense! ;)

      Nice write-up. Reminds me of the cat and dog diaries.

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  20. Australian English by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know what Shonky means, but I think that's bad.

    I also don't know what "shonky" means, but I do have some comments about Australian English. It's no secret that the Australian slang, which I think they call "strine", is just about impossible for non-Aussies to understand. Until about a month ago, I used to work for an international company that had offices in Australia and other countries around the world. As part of my job, I talked with a lot of people in different offices around the globe and customers around the world as well. Aussies will complain like nobody else in the English speaking world about the quality of someone else's English. You think Americans complain about talking to call centers in India? You haven't heard anything until you've heard an Aussie bitch about it. I have always been greatly amused by this considering that the Australian accent is arguably the harshest of all the native English speaker accents and considering how impossible to understand "strine" can be if you're not a native. A former co-worker who was a Brit expat living in Sydney told me that they also have a weird habit of chopping words in half, putting an "o" at the end, and just assuming everyone knows what they are talking about. For example, the Carleton Hotel became simply the Carlo. So don't feel bad that you don't know what "shonky" means because that means you're normal.

    1. Re:Australian English by bmgoau · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am Australian.

      Shonky is an adjective used to describe how some objects are poorly designed, or more commonly, easy to break, as is the case with the ipod.

      I'll take your comments on our dialect, you have provided just evidence and made a worthy argument. Although however, i believe you are mistaken in trying to overly exemplify the negative qualities of the language, esspecially in comparison to others. Surely, there are many dialects around the world, and many different people speaking them, Australias' is simply one of the them, and like any has its own features.

      I would says its very must based on levels. Even in Australian society, as multicultural as it is, you'll find that there is a huge variety in the dialect. As a result of culture, background and the community you grew up in. The term 'shonky' does not have common usage as one might believe. If one really indeed must draw conclusions, the nature of our dialect, the shortening of words and commonly ill-pronouncement of words stems from the laid back nature of Australian life. But should never transpire into the working world. Just as one feels more comfortable talking freely at home, perhaps swareing as some might in other nations, Australians take pride in relaxing the language at home, but not to the extent that it should form any noticeable divergence from standard English.

      You're true however about your claims of our hatered for Indian calling centres. I myself, excluding those that i miss while at work recieve 3 a day, specifically around dinner time, and often very early in the morning. But as i think most Australians would agree, its no reason to abuse them, they are simply doing their jobs. I do know a few people, and by that i mean alot, who take very offensive tones with the callers, that i cannot explain, i am sorry. An aubsive tone with anyone, doing their job, and earning a living, in the best way they know how, is something to be happy with, and if one does not like it, hang up.

      Alas, to conclude, one must understand, Australian language is varied as much as the land it inherits, the multiculutral society, and friendly culture it embodies. Stereotypes like the one you painted are a means of ignorance, i am sorry, for i know many a forigner who will come here, and ask us please to speak 'Australian', all the while making fun of a stereotypical American accent. Please remember sir, that during those times, i accept that within america there are differences in the way you speak, the additues of people and the words you use, just as you should remember of ours.

    2. Re:Australian English by fruey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good points mate.

      Let's not forget that American slang is more widely disseminated via TV series (massively exported around the world) and Hollywood film output. I've heard British children speak with American accents because they watch American cartoons, series and films all the time.

      Now, back when Neighbours and Home & Away (Aussie soap operas) were popular in England, you heard British children say things like "daggy" (uncool) and "mate" (friend) a lot, as well as other terms I now forget.

      I like Aussie slang, being a Brit I think I'm more exposed to it than Americans.

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  21. As bad as BSD by sheriff_p · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What gets on my nerves is the endless stream of "iPODS ARE DEAD" articles written by talentless IT-writers. Every week, at least, some half-witted pundit is telling the world how the iPod is just about to die out. It's annoying.

    -sheriff

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  22. Re:Australian English - iPod gets a Shonky by PoconoPCDoctor · · Score: 2, Funny

    FYI - apparently Apple's warranty policy is the reason for the Shonky....

    Goes to the...

            * APPLE iPod
                (CHOICE Computer, Sep/Oct 2005, and CHOICE, July 2006)

    An iPod is a significant investment, so you don't want your APPLE to be a lemon. And if there is something wrong with it, you'd expect an easy repair and warranty service. Podluck.

    Level 1. Several readers complained about cracked screens, faulty batteries and problems with sound reproduction.

    Level 2. APPLE doesn't allow retailers to handle complaints under warranty (which is their obligation under Fair Trading laws) -- you have to send your faulty iPod to APPLE yourself via Australia Post. And if they decide the fault isn't covered by the warranty, you'll have to foot the entire bi

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  23. iPod's major influence on our world. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the iPod has impacted our world in the following ways:

    1) It has pretty much consigned the old "boomboxes" to near-complete obsolescene (thank G** for that!). People now listen to their own music with generally not disturbing others in a package far more convenient than even the old cassette player Walkmans.

    2) It has changed the way we buy music, by legitimizing music downloads.

    3) It has actually made radio talk shows more popular, as many on-air talk shows are now available for subscription-based download (ESPN Radio's Radio Insider and Premiere Radio Networks' Streamlink programs for example). We are seeing rapid growth of specialized downloadable talk shows (This Week in Technology (TWiT) being one of the best examples of this).

    4) It has made it far more practical to not have to carry around your Compact Discs when listening to music in the car. Thanks to increased storage capacity on today's players you can "rip" your CD collection at higher sample rates and still put quite a lot of music on a single player for car playback. Also, many cars now offer standard auxiliary 1/8" jack input for all portable music players and some even offer special connectors to connect your newer-generation iPod so you can control the iPod from the car stereo controls and/or recharge the iPod's battery at the same time.

  24. Why boom boxes died..? by acomj · · Score: 2, Funny

    Boom boxes died when they got too big and heavy to carry around. So now they are driven around (and come with a built in gas powered generator). On the plus side the noise these vehicles make doesn't last too long because they move fairly quickly.

  25. Too loud by Smallest · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i listen to my iPod at work, through Apple's basic ear-buds at, literally, the lowest volume setting. and for many songs, this is too loud - the White Stripes, for example, compress their songs and pump them up to a much higher volume than many other bands. i wish there were four or five lower volume settings below what is the current lowest.

    yet, on a plane, there is no volume setting that works with the basic ear buds - everything distorts before i can hear anything over the plane's engines. yes, i should buy better earphones, for that situation.

    life is hard

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  26. Re:Rotting away!? by thebdj · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, I do know what a split is...believe it or not, I am not totally clueless about the market. My father spent a lot of time doing his own investing and was an accountant, so I actually have pretty good understanding of how the market works. Next, your split occurs in 2001, and the dive that it is responsible is a minor cut that is to be expected, like the 2005 split. The problem is the stock going from $20 a share in late 2000, to almost $6 in early 2001. The stock stayed down in this range until almost 2003, when the current up turn started. Look at the chart now. In linear and zoomed a bit, you can see that there is approximately 6 months between the split and the GROSS dive, which actually appears to approximately coincide with when a quarterly report would've come out. Now, look at this. Near the bottom, you see the daily price from 9/28 to 9/29 is almost $14 a share different for the Adjusted Close (your far right column). Two pages prior, in June is where your split occurs. So, to say AAPL was not in a downturn in 2000 and leading into 2001 is a joke.

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  27. Some Things I learned in Sound Class by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am a professional, but a lot of the people I work with have gone stone deaf working the way we do, so maybe I have everything backwards, but here's what I was taught (from the mouth of Tom Holman himself.

    • Hearing damage is like radiation: it's cumulative over your entire life.
    • I'm not sure anyone has done any conclusive studies on earbuds versus headphones, but both are equally effective in causing damage if you listen at a bad level.
    • Your eardrum is sensitive, but relatively robust compared to the Organ of Corti, which lives in your chochlea and actually tranducts the sound into the nerve; it gets damaged at the high end of your listening response and the damage travels down the spectrum as it accumulates. You won't generally notice cumulative hearing loss at first because it occurs at the top end of the spectrum, away from speech.
    • Your response to sound level is logarithmic, and also relative. If you're in a loud car, or driving with the window down, you may be applying 90-100 dB SPL to your ears from all the energy from wind and engine, but it will seem quiet compared to a loud stereo which you crank to 11 to put it over the din, thus you can trick yourself into listening to things much louder than you could otherwise tolerate.
    • Your acoustic reflex protects you from loud sounds by involuntarily contracting muscle in your middle ear to pull your eardrum tight, thus reducing your eardrums displacement and the amount of energy it passes to the inner ear. The muscle in your ear has tone like any other muscle, however, and will being to release your eardrum after 2-3 hours of continuous loud noise. It does this gradually, however, and you won't notice the effect, but your eardrum will register the strain and pass it along to your cochlea.
    • Sudden dynamic (loudness) changes can be more damaging than dynamic changes that you acclimate yourself into. If you listen to your music at a comfortable level and turn it up over 10 minutes or so your acoustic reflex will protect your eardrum from immediate stress.
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  28. The I-Pod Museum in NYC by emilyridesabmx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you ever have the chance to visit Tekserve, which is an Apple only store on 23rd Street in New York City, you'll notice they have a small 'I-Pod Museum'. It's just one glass case, but it features one of every single I-pod, even the limited edition models such as the U2 Ipod. It's pretty interesting to see the original first generation Ipod next to the newest video ones, they seem enormous. The evolution from pod to Ipod is pretty astounding when you consider how closely they were released to each other,and howmuch sleeker they have become model by model. It's quite a top notch engineering job. If you're ever in Manhattan, TekServe is definetly worth a visit if you're a Mac persob, for the Ipod's and everything else they have on display. As a disclaimer,I'm not affiliated with Tek Serve in any way, just an industrial designer who enjoys seeing progress in the flesh.

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  29. Apple's Pricing by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Last I looked - these things ran for $150 each at Costco for the 2GB model."

    I'm not nitpicking your comment, but I would like to point out that it does not matter where you get your iPod. It will always be the same price. Apple does not allow resellers to sell at any price other than the MSRP. They enforce their policy be cutting off or fining resellers that fail to comply.

    Speaking of Apple's sales policy, did anyone else notice that the 2GB model is only available in "plain" silver, and the only black iPod is the 8GB model. I don't think I've ever heard of a company charging people so much for specific colors! Their strategy is brilliant though, by bundling the more attractive colors with larger amounts of memory they make it easier for people paying extra to justify the purchase to themselves. It's easy to see how a technophile who was only looking to spend $150 could be persuaded to put out another $100 for the black iPod they really want because it has four times the memory! Hopefully they will revisit their MacBook pricing and make the "black fee" less obvious as well.

  30. Re:-1 Offtopic: From Shonky Awards...Meatpies? by ostermei · · Score: 2, Informative
    You can get meat pies in the States, yet now I've seen two sources talking about them as if it's something exotic, surprising and even disgusting.
    It's all just a misunderstanding based on the terminology. The term "meat pie" is not really used in the States, although the food item itself is actually rather common. Generally we tend to use chicken for the majority of our savory pies, rather than beef or lamb, however. As such, instead of calling them "meat pies" they tend to be more commonly known as "chicken pot pies," or just "pot pies" if another meat is used. (Or "pasties" if you're in the UP of Michigan, but I believe those are a bit different than pot pies, although perhaps closer to a true "meat pie")

    Or are you just disgusted by the non-specific use of the word "meat"?
    I can't speak for the GP, of course, but I'd assume he's disgusted by the listing of various parts that can be legally described as "meat." However, as I believe another commentor pointed out, it's really no different in essence than a good ol' hot dog. There are good ones and bad ones, and the bad ones tend to contain bits that normally aren't considered edible.
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