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Trial For The Male Pill Shows No Side-effects
Blahbooboo3 writes "Men concerned about contraception may soon be able to use the male equivalent of the Pill, without the potential side-effects of a drug based on altering the balance of sex hormones. The drug, called Adjudin, works by disrupting the interaction that takes place in the testicles between immature sperm cells and the nurse cells responsible for nurturing sperm to maturity. The germ cells need to adhere to the nurse cells for sperm to properly develop, and the drug prevents this bond from forming. It looks like it will be a gel patch type of applicator."
This may well be the most irrelevant Slashdot story ever. No one who reads this site is in any position to use this pill. You can't get your hand pregnant.
...one time, and it's permanent! YAY!
unless some of these men would want to make kids someday... i have no clue why anyone would want to do that... *shrugs*
So far, this study has been done on mice only and the dosage was applied only once. The BBC has a decent write-up about it. Hopefully this will be applicable to humans, but many believe the exact drug will not work on human males.
I came, I saw, She conquered.
Hair loss and erectile dysfunction.
He told her he was on the male pill. She slapped him... That was the end of that.
Didn't they say that when they did the first trials for the female contraceptive pill?
Totally safe! No apparent bad things can happen!
Except blood clots and cancer, 20 years later..
Just get castrated like me. Try that for birth control! I have as much chance of having kids as Bush does of thinking logically.
...there is no chance of me (as a man) ever using this!
They say no side effects, but look at "safe" female contraception which may lead to increased chance of certain cancers (although decreased chance of others).
Not that I'm going to stop my gf taking the pill though...
SURELY NOT!!!!!
A vascetomy is reversable afaik.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Great, we have a pill for men. The only problem is it's on a voluntary basis. Prescriptions based on intelligence and ability to support a child should determine candidacy for this pill.
Male pill...the man puts it in his shoe and it makes him limp.
You're using her as bait, Master!
I always wonder about the long-term effects of these pills. How do they know that, in 10-15 years, the pills won't cause permanent infertility in a certain percentage of males? How about in 20-50 years, that they won't have long-term defects in offspring. It's not that the research isn't a useful thing, but I think I'll let a generation or two act as the guinea pigs for this before me.
...it kept falling out. I really hope she figured it out and stayed out of the gene pool.
What if you mix it with Viagra?
...Just once..
Reminds me of a friend who once took weed with scotch.
Its the price of being an early adopter, just like purchasing a 1st gen Nintendo DS or a 1st gen MacBook... except with your body.
The article doesn't explain exactly where you have to stick the gel patch ;).
- Blue if you are single.
- Green if you are in a relationship.
- Neon green if you are in a relationship with a lusty nerdess.
- Rainbow if you are gay.
- Yellow if you are a swinger.
On a more serious note, This development should seriously empower women. I know too many girls that have got pregnant during college and had to drop out. A friend of mine from highschool has three kids with three different guys. Perhaps some women will prefer to date guys that wear the patch regularly. Of course, then fake patches will show up.What about infertility?
groupthink: It's good for self-esteem.
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does a vasectomy ... eh ... unload the gun, or do you just start shooting blanks.
i.e., does the trouser snake still throw up, or does it turn into dry heaves
(serious question)
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Gay or straight is not a binary thing. Gay men have been known to get women pregnant.
All it takes is a good pinhole stretched in it- which can happen if you use the wrong stuff for lubricant, etc...
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Think of taking this pill as Paternity Insurance. When some random girl you hooked up with one night (who swore she was on the pill) shows up 9 months later with a baby, a DNA test and a lawyer who will nail you for 18 years worth of child support you might be wishing you did.
And enough with the whining about side effects. Anabolic steroids can make your hair fall out, your epiphysia (growth plates) fuse prematurely, cover you in zits and make your nads shrivel to the size of raisins.....but some of you will take em anyway.
None of them can see the clouds; The polished wings don't care.
We must escape from the Culture of Death; to learn about alternatives to medical contraceptives and the contraceptive mentality, please visit the following sites where you can learn about the techniques and benefits of modern Natural Family Planning (NFP):
Couple to Couple League International
Billings Ovulation Method
One More Soul
Pope Paul VI Institute
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes
2353 Fornication is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young.
2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.
2361 "Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death."
Tobias got out of bed and said to Sarah, "Sister, get up, and let us pray and implore our Lord that he grant us mercy and safety." So she got up, and they began to pray and implore that they might be kept safe. Tobias began by saying, "Blessed are you, O God of our fathers. . . . You made Adam, and for him you made his wife Eve as a helper and support. From the two of them the race of mankind has sprung. You said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make a helper for him like himself.' I now am taking this kinswoman of mine, not because of lust, but with sincerity. Grant that she and I may find mercy and that we may grow old together." And they both said, "Amen, Amen." Then they went to sleep for the night. (Tob 8:4-9)
2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude." Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:
The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.
2363 The spouses' union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple's spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.
The conjugal love of man and woman thus stands under the twofold obligation of fidelity and fecundity.
2366 Fecundity is a gift, an end of marriage, for conjugal love naturally tends to be fruitful. A child does not come from outside as something added on to the mutual love of the spouses, but springs from the very heart of that mutual giving, as its fruit and fulfillment. So the Church, which is "on the side of life," teaches that "it is necessary that each a
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OK, the article was just fine, but I think that the story suggestions off to the side need reconsideration. "The Humble Banger: the secret life of the British sausage" just seems like it's pushing it on this particular story, doesn't it?
Can't get pregnant if you can't get laid...
Caveat Emptor is not a business model.
Homer: It's Viagra-Gain. It gives you lots of hair and what you need down there. What are you waiting for, loser?
Announcer: Possible side effects include loss of scalp and penis.
Homer: What did it say about my scalp?
Yeah, but then you'll just buy a lawnba mower robot and it'll be all good. With the new super-realistic love dolls and high-wattage white-noise machines, women are practically irrelevant; now that robots can do chores and computers can waste time and fail consistently, we can dispense with children! All we need now are some quality bots for our multiplayer games that are capable of drinking our beer and spilling chips on our floors, and we'll never need to interact socially ever again!
Because if the girl you are with feels safe enough letting you say you are on pill so everything will be fine, probably isnt the type of girl you want to have sex with, without a condom on too.
The phrase "more better" is acceptable English. suck it grammar Nazis
to trust a guy who says, "Trust me baby, I'm on the pill." Seems like this is a pointless development, because smart women won't trust the guys they hook up with the be telling the truth.
"Politicians always tell the truth, when they're calling each other liars."
Because there aren't any people in monogamous, trusting relationships that don't want to have children.
Not everybody is out for a one-night stand, you know.
I'm not sure if I've mixed the two, but I mix weed and wine or beer all the time.
I fully endorse the idea of the male pill. The only problem I could see is the increase in STD's because of a decrease in condom use. I would use this pill just to avoid the case where a girl shows up saying the guy is the father, later proven false, but the judge requires the first guy to keep paying child support because he doesn't want to hurt the child. If this becomes popular I wonder how many men would be saved from forced marriages, how many women will not get pregnant by their lovers but tell their husband the child is his, and how many unwanted pregnancies could be avoided. Although with male testosterone levels on the decline, this pill may not be needed in a couple of years.
The girl you mention already had all the various methods of protection and she obviously didn't use them on no less then 3 different occassions. What the fuck makes you think that adding one more method of birth control but one 100% under the control of the male (who does not get pregnant nor gets stuck with taking care of the kid) with no way of checking it by the female (fake patches, lying about it, etc etc) is going to do anything positive for women?
In fact feminists are starting to realize that the whole sexual revolution on the whole has not left women better off. Yes more widespread birthcontrol has meant that women are no longer baby machines, a recent short article in a dutch free newspaper about the religions in holland (christian, jews and muslims) had a bit about how catholics used to be forced to have extremely large families until as one mother put it her body was just used up and her doctor finally permitted her and her husband to practice abstinence.
The pill, and more important even, the acceptence of the use of birth control in general has liberated women from the constant task of producing kids. BUT it has also liberated men into being able to fuck all they want without risk. Women turned from baby machines to sex machines. Oh granted, women can have all the sex they want too. Just that they are called sluts while men turn into studs, even in this age this holds true.
The male pill gives the male even more power to see females as nothing but sextoys. The condom already gave him that but lots of men don't like them, especially the ones most likely to get a girl pregnant and then leave her.
It gets worse, the male pill does not like the condom protect against disease. The girl insisting on a condom against pregnancy will now be told that he has taken care of it (has he? or is that a fake patch) and she will have one less argument for safe sex and lets face it. Women already have proven they are not terribly good at insisting on protection now.
Offcourse unlike the condom wich can be checked for functionality (its on, it protects) the male pill is just a patch, presuming the female even knows this (male pill makes you think it is a pill, not a patch) so how is she to check wether he has really taken it, or taken it correctly?
No, this patch is good news for men who absolutly do not want to get a girl pregnant but these guys would already been using condoms as responsible partners should.
It won't do shit for teenage pregnancies because the women who get pregnant now already had plenty of options to prevent it. Instead relying on the same male to prevent it instead is just not going to work. Sorry mate, but the guys who get girls knocked up and leave them just ain't going to be using this patch for the same reason they do not use condomes now. They are assholes and the women they are with are dumb.
Women preferring to date guys who wear patches. Yeah right. What next. young women actually preffering realiable trustworthy guys with steady jobs over the assholes that use them and leave them? Sorry kid, but if you are the kind of guy in college who wears a patch then you are going to be as succesfull as any sensible responsible male with women. In short, skip on the patch and buy a box of kleenex and a playboy and wait till your old enough and get the 25-30 year women who have been used up and now are so desperate they will even consider a looser like you.
This more than anything will make it hard for a male pill to ever work, men know it and women know it: Women's drive is to have babies when it is best, when they've found a partner to help them with the decades it takes to raise a child, etc. Men's drive is (mostly) to have as many as possible with as many women as possible. Single women know this, and are thus less likely to trust a man's word that he's on the pill.
Of course... we are human, which means that evolutionary drive is not the only thing that matters, but it is there nevertheless. In the words of Steve Vai... we may be humans, but we're still animals.
If nicotine patches don't stick, how reliable is the adhesive on these going to be, and what happens when they fall off?
oh joy, they've just solved one of the worst problems in biological history. Now men won't get pregnant ;) Hmm maybe it's not really the male version of "the pill" after all lol.
Is it just me or is it not going to upgrade to Vista in here?
Before making blanket declarations, read the third item here:
http://www.youaredumb.net/node/691
to speed things up here's the text:
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For people confused by the last line of yesterday's column, the short version is, three dipshit teens in rural Wisconsin got caught digging up a recently-buried corpse so that they could have sex with it. They'd bought condoms and everything, because embalming fluid, I presume, has nasty side effects on your pubescent crank. If you have an erection that lasts INTO THE AFTERLIFE, consult your doctor.
The incident raises all sorts of fascinating questions about the teens in question - did one of them come up with the idea? If so, what rhetorical powers must he posess to have talked his other two friends into it? What kind of forethought sends you to Wal-Mart for rubbers beforehand, without also providing the realization that digging up a body is a long, exhausting process?
But that's all trumped by the revelation that a judge dismissed the attempted sexual assault charges against them, because Wisconsin has no laws about necrophilia. Like the many sordid times in the past we've learned too late about states lacking laws on bestiality, it seems. I'm not sure if it's simple oversight, or a tricky legal boundary - a corpse is really neither a person nor property, after all.
Perhaps this case will cause the Wisconsin legislature to reconsider. But until then, Wisconsin is the place to be if you're into le rigor petit mortis. For the rest of us, however, given both this and the last time Wisconsin's sexual deviancies found their way into this column, I would suggest that whatever you do, DON'T ORDER THE VEAL.
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I keep seeing comments here to the effect that "no woman will or should trust a man that he is on the pill".
That's not the point of there being a male pill. The point is that men no longer have to trust women to be on the pill. If a guy is on the pill, he doesn't have to worry that the woman will say she is on the pill and then go off it, trapping him into supporting a child that he never wanted to gave. Imagine switching the gender roles there: say there was only male contraceptives, and the man says he's on the pill, but he wants a kid, so he stops taking his bill, and yay, now he's got a baby and a mom to take care of it, too! But what if the woman didn't want kids yet? "Well then... she should have been having sex, should she? It's her own fault for chasing cock," someone in this bizarro world might say.
But most of us (besides the abstinence-only types) would think that was a ridiculous response. She engaged in an activity trusting her partner's word that certain consequences would not occur because of measures he had taken. When he fails to take those measures, it's not her fault for trusting him and engaging in the activity, it's his fault for failing to keep his promises. Switch the pronouns here so it's a woman reneging on her word instead and the situation is not different, but plenty of people will harp on a man and say "well you should have kept it in your pants".
Even setting aside these issues of trust, the man being on the pill *and* the woman being on the pill is extra backup in case one of them should simply forget.
The point of this isn't that the burden of birth control can now be shifted to the men and women don't have to take the pill. The point is that now men have a way of making sure that they don't get someone pregnant that they don't want pregnant. If a woman also wants to make sure that she doesn't get pregnant when she doesn't want to, she can take her pill too. In a couple where both people don't want kids and so both are on the pill, extra protection in case one fails or is simply forgotten. In a couple where the woman may want a kid and try to trick the man into giving her one (and subsequently supporting it), or perhaps where the woman is just forgetful (as everyone can be sometimes), the man now has a means of protecting himself, instead of just relying on the woman.
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And even then, with everything right, the testing, the right lube, etc. It can still develop a pinhole through the act of sex anyhow- and agains, you lose control over the situation, but have all the responsibility, etc.
Sad, isn't it, that people just think that using a condom will actually "protect" them; it'll do it most of the time- MOST OF THE TIME.
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From the first article:
"In men the drug would have to be taken as an implant rather than an oral pill as it is broken down in the digestive tract."
Good luck with that one. They better get it working in a gel form or no man will bother with this one either.
Just come up with a pill to make semen taste like chocolate.
"Don't worry babay, I'm on the patch..." except he's not. Oh man there will be some serious assholes breeding kids out there.
There is one aspect nobody is seeing with this - and it's the real advantage as far as I'm concerned.
Women have terribly complex hormonal systems. The female pill works by fiddling with that normally balanced system. Fiddling with the hormonal balance of a woman is generally not a good thing. In addition to the physical side effects and possible health risks involved, there are a whole raft of psychological repercussions.
On the other hand, male hormonal cycles are much less complex - and it doesn't even sound like this particular treatment is hormone based at all. For the sake of my relationship with my wife, I will happily be the one to submit to side effects rather than her taking the pill and possibly losing all desire for sex anyway.
As someone else posted, this kind of thing is intended for long term relationships that require contraception - not necessarily for casual accident prevention. For that, I recommend my Mandatory Vasectomy At Birth program (you're free to reverse the procedure with your own money at any time).
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I know this "Male Pill" at best won't hit the market for a few years, and possibly never will.. but just in case some of you have been living under rocks for the past 20 years, and take the 'Insightful' parent seriously -- Don't have unprotected sex with strangers. Wear a condom. You might have heard of STDs, though the topic doesn't seem to come up on /. very often for some reason.
If you know that both you and your lady have recently tested clean, then you can start worrying about birth control or Male Pill or whatnot.
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Technically the physis is where the bone grows, and the epiphysis is the area between the physis and the joint. The metaphysis is on the other side of the physis, heading towards the center of the bone, and the diaphysis is right in the center.
p hysis/epiphysis/joint.
Like so.
Joint Epiphysis/Physis/Metaphysis/Diaphysis/Metaphysis/
..........FULL STOP.
Women are only fertile for a couple days a month, and it's relatively easy to know when if you know what to look for. Morning temperature spike, change in the mucus texture, etc.
I gave a Natural Family Planning book to a friend/acquaintance as a wedding gift some years back, because she didn't want any children ever. (I finished highschool at a catholic school, and was thus exposed to the practice.)
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doesn't seem to know how to play.
If you want to win at the game, you must aquire a bunch of money. Lots of money. Then you will have absolutely no problem with the women. Other stuff may offer you temporary advantages, but hands down, money for the win. You want "the key" to being in that "very few" who get any? The key is solid gold. Black gold that is.
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With the money you'd save from not having to raise kids, you could hire someone. At union wages, no doubt.
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Robots. This wasn't an issue 10-12 years ago..but for those guys out there thinking this over right now, We're talking 2016-2018 here. We have vacuuming robots, we should see lawnmower robots in a decade or few.
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if you hadn't spent your days working 9-5 to raise kids, you could afford to retire on your own labour, including medical and living accomodations?
And if you can't afford to retire on your own labour AND you didn't have kids then maybe that's a GOOD thing?
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Great post! Next time, though, I'd suggest you used blockquotes instead of italics.
Why is it that people see that there's something wrong with bulimia, but not contraception? They're pretty similar phenomena, except that one is an abuse of the digestive system and the other an abuse of the reproductive system...
Every 5 years one of these stories about a male pill that is going to be available shortly hits the various media outlets. They have all failed human trials for the last 20 years.
It happened to my brother (girlfriend told him she was on the pill but was not), my grandfather (the pill + antibiotics = my uncle), four of my male friends (similar situations and 2 of them simply had drunken unprotected sex), and I've seen three of my female friends perpetrate it (one of them wanted to cash in on the rich guy she was dating, the other just wanted a child, and the third wanted to get married....guess what? they're all single mothers now, and their 'baby-daddies' have been granted the privilege of paying hundreds of dollars every month in child support).
Like Oswald said: young men, protect yourselves.
That *cannot* be emphasized enough.
No offense intended to the ladies; but guys, you simply cannot trust your woman to not get pregnant, because that's what female humans are designed to do. Whether by accident or design, you'll be stuck with the responsibility of a child you may or may not be ready to deal with. In many states, if you fail to pay your child support, you go to jail. Seriously.
Use condoms, use them right. Know the risks of what you're doing and BE CAREFUL. No condom, no sex. Period. EOF
Just do the math. For example, wikipedia says the condom has a 15% failure rate per year in actual real-world usage. That is a 0.85 probability of success. Suppose you are sexually active with fertile women from age 18 to age 53, for a total of 35 years. Raise 0.85 to the 35th power, and you get 0.0034, meaning a 0.34 percent chance of avoiding pregnancy. You're nearly certain to get a kid.
Oh, you'll do better. You'll get sterilized. Well, that's still a 5% risk of pregnancy. Taking a 5% risk is fine if the potential negative outcome is small. It's not fine when the result is an unwanted kid. Note that this doesn't cover the STDs, including permanent things like herpes, hepatitis, etc.
Suggestion: if you like sex, learn to like having a large family and learn to like a woman who will want to keep you.
Dear my. It sounds like "debtor's prison", which went out of style centuries ago, is now back in fashion.
Let's see...
1. statistics (lottery payoff, familiarity with a few different distributions...)
2. basic microeconomics and macroeconomics
3. consumer contracts (car or home lease or loan, ISP service, hospital admission...)
4. sanitation (food safety, STDs, animal waste, surface contamination...)
Understand that, and you get to breed.
As everyone knows the most effective birth control is a simple click away to /. land, now if that could only be put in pill form.
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Actually the (female) pill can be taken that way for a few days at a time, if the user is sick and vomitting, or for some other reason can't keep it down. Better option than lapsing longer than you're "allowed" to and then having to abstain until next month.
Well put, Keytoe. And, ditto. This new therapy absolutely won't work for the "hooking up" crowd. But yeah, my wife also has tons of negative side effects from The Pill, and has pretty much run out of different brands to try. If this Male Pill were on the market, I'd go out and get it today, to see if just maaaaaybe it would be a better solution for us overall.
just a clarification
Well, where is it?
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