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YouTube Restores Comedy Central Clips
ColinPL writes, "Though YouTube has removed Comedy Central clips, their corporate parent Viacom has confirmed that it wants to find some way to keep the clips available. Viacom has apparently given the green light for YouTube to put the material back up." Update: 11/02 20:49 GMT by Z : We received an email from DB Ferguson at the No Fact zone, letting us know things are a little more muddled than we might otherwise prefer. "This letter contains a link to Jeff's Idealog post where he had evidence that even more clips are disappearing, and I have copies of two Cease and Desist letters that were sent yesterday night from YouTube. The purge continues, despite the news reports that it has stopped or that videos are being put back in."
Comedy Central's clips are a start. A more serious matter is the misuse of the DMCA in efforts to stifle criticism.
An offshoot of the Scientology cult known as The Landmark Forum is using the DMCA against YouTube, Google and The Internet Archive because of a scathing French documentary about Landmark being shared on those sites. It aired in France to 1.5 million people, a month later Landmark pulled out of France. Story at the EFF's site and other news sources.
The video with English subtitles is available via BitTorrent at PirateBay, search eMule for "Inside Landmark Forum" or view it online at DailyMotion.
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If this video from Stephen Colbert is any indication, then Comedy Central may have felt different about the clips than Viacom did. Based on my observations of the situation, the YouTube clips were generating a lot of free advertisement for Comedy Central. Especailly some of their news commentary, which is quite good despite the humor. For myself, I had no inkling of Comedy Central's news commentary until I bumped across Jon Stewart's commentary on Internet Tubes. Their followup with Senator McCain was brilliant, and John Hodgman's analysis was an example of razor sharp wit. (And hey, you've got to love the, "I'm a PC" bit.)
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Had it not been for YouTube, I never would have found out about Comedy Central. I'd start tuning in, but I've disconnected my cable. Yet I recently noticed that Jon Stewart's show is up on iTunes. Hmmm.....
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if this has anything to do with Steven Colbert's veiled attack against Viacom on his show last night?
1. Threaten to sue YouTube if they don't remove your materials from their database.
2. Offer money to YouTube to restore your materials to their database.
3. ???
4. Profit!
This is great PR for Comedy Central. I wonder if their ratings will go up.
What, exactly, was pulled from YouTube the other day? When I read about this on /. of course I went to YouTube to check it out, but there were thousands and thousands of Colbert Report clips still there. Was it full episodes that were taken down?
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Btw, if it's already up, you seriously need to see yesterday's analysis of the Kerry- flap-up, absolutely the best coverage of the issue on any medium, including newsprint.
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I was sent a link to Lewis Black http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G6yx_jJuoE/ ranting on Dick Cheney. After laughing my ass off at that one, I looked up other Lewis Black clips. He appears on The Daily Show regularly, so some of his clips are from there. So I started watching The Daily Show. Then I caught a bit of Colbert Report and enjoyed that too. So now Viacom has me watching two shows every night because I saw some funny clips on YouTube.
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This move is the result of a legal action!
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I'm glad my rights to watch Comedy Central on the net have been restored. Yet another defeat for the fascist anti-Comedy police state. Free at last.
Perhaps YouTube should have made an example of Viacom and not restored the clips on their own. This would be useful in making future requests from other parties think twice before requesting clips be pulled.
YouTube could have just told Viacom that the clips were pulled and that Viacom were free to upload them again assuming they specified that it was okay for the clips to be made available.
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I understand Viacom's concern about loss of income from iTunes but I doubt that it would be too great. Maybe they're just realizing that people who might want shell out two bucks(per show) for the convenience of iTunes will still do so. With YouTube you don't have that convenience(in most cases), you get an episode broken up into several clips *if* somebody even cared to upload it.
They also probably don't want to be seen as "bad guys" cracking down on filesharing.
I'm looking here. I guess the Internet really is just a bunch of tubes (or pipes, really). Now they're down!
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Just read an interesting take on the google - youtube deal. http://www.blogmaverick.com/2006/10/30/some-intima te-details-on-the-google-youtube-deal/
Does all this mean that Youtube never 'really' deletes any clip a user deletes?
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They may have restored all of the clips, but they don't reappear in your "favorites" list - you're going to have to go back and "favorite" all of those clips again if you want to keep them bookmarked.
Which sucks.
I uploaded my "South Park Reloaded" animation a few months ago and it was killed 2 days ago, and it has not come back?
+ park+reloaded&search=Search
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=south
There are others who have uploaded my animation too, but their video is still on there. *scratches head*
Chums up, let's do this!
You mean allowing people to see our shows whenever they want will get us more viewers? Quick! Put those clips back up!
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Viacom is the parent company of Comedy Central, not YouTube (owned by Google), as the grammatical error in the summary implies.
What next? Microsoft releases hax0r4d Vista to Pirate Bay?
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It looks to me like Comedy Central subscribe to the axiom 'any usage is good usage'.
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When it comes to stuff like "The Daily Show" or "Colbert," these are programs that get shown once, rerun once, and then are mostly never seen again purely because of the topical nature of the shows. This isn't the sort of thing that fills out a DVD box all that well, they aren't really going to continue to profit directly from the old content once it's been and gone. This is why clips that get "youtubed" or rerun by CC on their own site and occasional "best ofs," are really the only way for people to continue to dig the old clips and drum up enthusiasm for the next episodes.
CC has realized that either they work the "best of" angle solely on their own site, with however much manpower and costs that would entail, or let the fans do it themselves on YouTube. With YouTube, not only do they not deal with the workload, but the fans themselves are in charge of what is or isn't a "greatest hit." That's as it should be, and something that the content producers rarely if ever get right, since all they'd have to go on are surveys, focus groups, and other troublesome hit-or-miss schemes.
1. Let the fans do the work of hyping up the shows.
2. More hype = more audience for the next ones. There are no ???s.
3. Profit!
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I know this is annecdotal but I didn't start watching The Daily Show and the Report until after I saw a bunch of good YouTube clips. Now I make sure to catch them every night.
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...I'll never know. Such a great way to promote their shows. They should be uploading these themselves every week.
Here's the Daily Show Clip
This is exactly the sort of coverage that makes Daily Show and You Tube important to our political process. Instead of Kerry's odd responses, I think this clip should be forwarded to anyone spouting off about how "offended" they were.
"Don't you know you're going to shock the monkey?"- Peter Gabriel
There was another bigger purge last night: 78% of Daily Show Clips Missing from YouTube I wrote a script to analyze this ... Of 897 Daily Show videos on YouTube sampled, 699 were missing or broken. That's nearly 78% of Daily Show videos now taken down for alleged copyright infringement without any regard for fair use from what I can tell.
More commentary on the week's events here: Truthiness is scarce at Viacom and YouTube this week
The tension probably arises from the fact that one arm (prob. comedy central) made an agreement with iTunes, whereas another arm (i.e. Viacom) profits from DVD sales and/or general ad revenue. Obviously iTunes is a stupid idea - who cares to see the whole show vs. a particular segment.
I'm not surprised that they decided to make them available again. I'm surprised, though that they didn't leave them off YouTube and instead put them up officially on Google Video. I'd guess they have better encodings of their videos than are on youtube (at least based on how the copies of Weird Al's videos that he put up himself are so much better than the copies put up by other people). And if they put it on Google Video, they could probably work out a deal similar to this one and get some of the revenue from advertizing by the hosting site.
It's just a bit odd for a copyright holder to specificly permit somebody to distribute a copy of something acquired from an unlicensed third party.
Ten years from now, when every PHB who spent a decade trying to prevent people from sharing culture with each other has seen the light and starts issuing press releases about how they've discovered that filesharing is a cost-effective loss leader, etc.
Meanwhile I suppose the geeks will begging the corporate & government tag-team to "allow" things like GNURadio, spectrum sharing, etc. And the beat goes on...
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Youtube seems to be down.
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I just noticed yesterday that comedycentral.com has redone their entire web site, so that it now actually works. I even got several of my browsers to give me URLs for their clips.
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So it's now not necessary to have them on sites like youtube. They finally wised up and realized that their idiotic site mis-design was driving people away to the copycat sites, and losing them all the eyes that they were obviously trying to get looking at their ads.
This is a disappointment in some circles, actually. Namely, the web-software testing crowd is disappointed. It used to be that if you wanted an example of a recalcitrant site that did nearly everything in the worst possible way, you just typed in "comedycentral.com" and voila! More worst-case test material than you could ever hope to find anywhere else.
But that's all gone now. We testers will have to go back to collecting awful examples on a piecemeal basis, and hosting them on our own sites. Maybe we can get a discussion going of the old idea of having a test site explicitly for holding examples of everything wrong that has ever been found on any other site.
Do you think the comedycentral.com folks would donate a snapshot of their old site as the seed material for such a test site?
(It was especially fun to point out that the comedycentral.com ads all worked, while the "content" didn't. This was conclusive proof that they did know exactly what they were doing, and the fact that the "content" didn't work other than sporadically wasn't an accident at all.
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According to some videos I saw on YouTube (can't find the link right now), it looked like only clips over 5 minutes were pulled.
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For one, Scientology has its own law firm, which it uses on those who criticize it. It's not so much the sci-fi religion that disturbs me, anyhow, but rather the organization behind it.
Believe it or not, people can be concerned about more than one thing at a time. Well, people other than you can, at least.
I saw in the news a company named Utube that is or is considering suing YouTube to "force YouTube to change its name or to get YouTube to help us find a new domain name", so I heard in the news.
One would think that companies with conflicting names would have an arbiter or someplace to submit their name so that a heuristic or some-such program would be Google-like and display as screen saying:
"Your request is remarkably similar to the name of a valid company that is receiving an extraordinary number of of irrelevant or non-transacting visits. Do you really want to visit:
O Utube, the machinery and tubing manufacturer or
O YouTube, the Comedy Central video clips site?
Please choose."
Thank you, and from all of us, our apologies for intercepting and delaying your page request.
Jeez UGLY Louise. How FRAKIN' hard is that to do? It would cut down on frivolous or almost-valid-but-avoidable lawsuits.
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This is shareware in a different medium, that's all.
Give a short clip on YouTube that covers a particularly funny or satirical moment in the show. People can then browse at their leisure the "best of" a particular show. This drives viewers to the designated distribution channels to get the full content.
Stop thinking like a selfish content producer. Give the people what they want and they will come.
And stop thinking that any piracy is all bad. Piracy is unavoidable. Some people will either be too poor or too stingy to buy your content. If making it easy for a thousand people to find your show results in a hundred people pirating content, guess what - those thousand people are going to make you richer even though you "lost money to the pirates", because had you put resitrictions in place to prevent those hundred pirates from stealing your content^W^W^Winfringing on your copyright, those thousand people wouldn't be making you richer.
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What a lovely demonstration of why nobody is scared of the "analog hole."
Couldn't they have filmed it through a pane of frosted glass while holding the camera at an "artsy" angle, just to make it even lower quality?
The main thing they have in common is that they both ask you to "enroll" your friends & aquaintances. If they were the only two organizations that did that maybe the parent would be right, but of course Amway and many "non-cult" religions ask you to do the same.
One other thing they have in common, but it'll take some explaining. Landmark Forum is essentially a re-naming of 70's/80's organization called Erhard Seminars Training, or EST for short. EST was also a for-profit corporation, founded by a guy born under the name of Jack Rosenberg, who left his wife & family, changed his name to Werner Erhard, and started the organization (yes, I'm leaving out lots more ugly Jack/Werner history; go ahead and google for it). Somewhere along the way, Werner/Jack joined up with Scientology. I'm not sure how long he was involved, but the way the story was told in EST, he tried a whole bunch of those 70s things (sorry, can't find a suitable group adjective) like ROLFing, Esalen, before starting his own thing. Oh, here's a good name: "Large Group Awareness Therapy organizations."
Personal disclosure: I took the EST thing, AKA "the Training" back in the early 80's and volunteered in the organization for about 2 years and took a few less intensive "seminars". "The Training" was very good for me personally though I was lousy at "enrolling" others. I got diminishing returns from the seminars. Part of my agenda in volunteering was to sniff around for the dirt. I didn't find any of that either. Eventually I dropped out. There were one or two phone calls, but once I told them definitely that I no longer wanted to do EST stuff, they let me alone and have done so for 20 years. I don't regret the money I spent; I don't regret the time I spent; all in all I'm glad I did it. But who knows; maybe I'm still brainwashed!!
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Well, with the right display, the right lighting, and a tripod, I think you could manage a decent "analog hole" copy. But yeah, a lot of those are crap.
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