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File Sharing Ruled Legal In Spain
stupid_is writes "As a follow-up to a previous discussion a judge in Spain has ruled that under Spanish law a person who downloads music for personal use can not be punished or branded a criminal. This seems to be a teeny bit clearer than the first article, which points out that downloading is a civil, and not criminal, offense for individuals. The Spanish recording industry federation Promusicae is predictably a bit peeved, and says it will appeal against the decision." From the article: "The state prosecutor's office and two music distribution associations had sought a two year sentence against the man, who downloaded songs and then allegedly offered them on a CD through email and chat rooms. However, there was no direct proof he made money from selling the CDs. Justice Minister Juan Fernando Lopéz Aguilar says Spain is drafting a new law to abolish the existing right to private copies of material. Due to different regulatory regimes in Europe, the proceedings against file sharers differ greatly in each country. However, most European judges tend to take a harder stance on file sharing. Twenty two people in Finland were fined €427,000 last week for illegally sharing movies, music, games and software, while courts in Sweden also fined two men who had downloaded movies and music for personal use."
427,000 what? Penguins?
Everyone also needs to keep in mind that in most countries where these things are issues, the offenses related to downloading things versus sharing them are completely different. I don't believe anybody even in the US has been taken to court merely for downloading. It's always about sharing (redistribution). It's frustrating when the media tends to use the two things interchangeably.
It seems that he managed to dodge the Music Industry bull charging right into him, with a quick waist movement and a flourish of his red cape...
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The comparison with Finland is invalid since the sentence was given for filesharing and not for downloading files. Untill recently the legislation in finland was as clear about downloads (i.e. they were legal). Now we have the new european version of the DMCA and there haven't been any cases to test whether that status has changed. Since the legislation is essentially (supposed to be) the same throughout europe, I would guess that simply downloading stuff is still legal.
I am completely confused:
1) The first article doesn't say that.
2) The second article sort of *does* say that.
3) Assuming that file sharing really has been ruled a civil but not criminal offense, the "Ruled Legal" headline via the dimwitted Register, plagiarizing submitter and sleepy editor is completely false.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
Twenty two people in Finland were fined 427,000 last week for illegally sharing movies, music, games and software...
Er, 427,000 what exactly?
Or perhaps 427,000 people were fined twenty two of something?
Jeez, color me confused...
Two years in prison for copying a few files. Sheesh.
Still, they're working hard to change the laws. What they want now is for downloading to be illegal, AND for a tax to be placed on all recordable media. If they manage to pass it then I'll be paying the RIAA for all the CDs I use for data backups, all the CDs which end up as coasters because I dared to touch the mouse while it was recording, etc.
No sig today...
*groans* Not this one again...
To the uninformed, this post is completely false. I've seen it at least a dozen times in the last year-and-a-half. Please don't bother responding to it.
We know the hive mind that is /. can't grok the difference between copyright, trademark, and patents, but I'd think the difference between uploading and downloading wouldn't be out of reach.
Oh well.
And before you reply, "but BitTorrent...," two points: 1) are there any torrent clients that do not allow the user to control uploading? And 2) if there are, so?
In the words of the parent poster, "Downloading != Sharing"
You need to work a little harder on your trolling skills, that was stupidly obvious and not really very funny. Think of the children.
You want me to cry for that shit? Man... I'm pretty sure you work for RIAA or some shit. If not, if this "oh, how unlucky I am. My life is ruined" story is true, then sell burgers. You can't copy that :P Selling albums is not business anymore. No one is guilty for that and, at the same time, everyone is.
;) Most record labels are ruining music culture
PS: Anyway, if music was cheaper more people would buy it. Records can be cheaper. Spend your money on concerts and cheap albums and, if you can, buy them directly to the musicians
It isn't piracy that's killing your record store, it's your music selection. There isn't an influx of people that will murder other people to buy that hot hot disc of "Jesus LOVE!" that was released. And no one pirates christian music anyway. To go further, your solution is wholly facist and useless. Drug dealers aren't discriminated against. If you banned EVERYONE that shared a file at anytime, no one would be buying CD's. And it isn't just piracy; there's legit downloading service like iTMS, Napster, Rhapsody, etc. You're losing business because no one may want to buy a complete CD. And your kids are suffering because you run a Christian music store? I feel bad for them alreay, but since you SOMEHOW can afford internet access I assume you are still pretty well off. Either that or little Cindy Lou Who went without her MMR booster so daddy could post as an anonymous Coward on /.
*sniff* *sniff* Smell that? I think you're RIAA. Either that, or Dawinian laws need to be slapped across your face. Sell your record store and get a job you hippy.
In Soviet Russia, dots slash you!
The Spanish recording industry federation Promusicae is predictably a bit peeved, and says it will appeal against the decision."
I don't know what they expect by filing an appeal.
I mean, nobody expects a Spanish inquisition.
Someone fetch the Promusicae the comfy chair or some soft cushions.
It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. -Frederick Douglass
In the USA, isn't copyright infringement a civil matter (hasn't it always been)? While this news article is nice and all, it still doesn't address the root of the problem: people are being treated the same way as murderers and rapists when they get caught with pirated stuff.
(Haha, the CAPTCHA word was "defense", how apt)
Every day, fewer and fewer customers enter my store to buy fewer and fewer CDs. Why is no one buying CDs? Are people not interested in music? Do people prefer to watch TV, see films, read books? I don't know. But there is one, inescapable truth - Internet piracy is mostly to blame. The statistics speak for themselves - one in three discs world wide is a pirate.
One in three discs is pirated. So, are you referring here to counterfeit discs produced on the black market and sold for 3 bucks in the subway? Because those are COMPLETELY different from burning a mix cd from tracks off the internet, which rarely, if ever, get sold. Want to talk unreferenced statistics? The highest downloaded tracks online are also the highest purchased CDs. Shocker.
I buy two artists these days: R.E.M. and Weird Al (Sony connections be damned, I think they just do production anyway...) Every day I listen to the radio and there's just nothing on that I'd bother plunking down my cash for. I'd rather get another DS game or another DVD.
I think people don't buy music because they found other things to be interested in. There's a gigantic amount of entertainment choices out there now. We're past the days of the walkman. Music has to compete against movies (now portable), the DS and PSP, at home there's hundreds of TV stations.
Plus I don't think many people, at least in this corner of the cyberverse, have many good things to say about the media racket.
Is the record retail business going bust due to filesharing?
Maybe, but there are other forces at work here....
You may be loosing business to the likes of Amazon.com, Ebay, and other non-brick and mortar
retail outlets that are undercutting your price. Also there are LEGAL download sites
(such as itunes) that offer customers the choice to buy just the cuts they want, not the entire
CD. Face it, your method of business is going the way of the dinosaur. File sharing may be
part of the problem, but by many accounts it is a small percentage.
Blacklist the pirates? Maybe a good idea, but good luck!
Why don't you modify your business plan to include internet sales? Get a fraging website
for crying out loud! If you don't join 'em you won't beat 'em!
Anyone?
...I actually stopped reading after the line I quoted.
Now I feel bad, wearing out my keyboard like that...
I'm starting to think I know where my next vacation is going to be. Interesting how Canada and Spain have moved into the forefront of the civilized world while the US declines into a fascist police state. I'd rather live in Vancouver than LA or New York.
Now if only the Asian countries like China that seem to have a defacto policy of legalized file sharing would ease up on their draconian drug laws they could form an international coalition of states that actually support the rights of citizens. Within the UN they could get together and offer to send troops in to the US to beat back the repressive dictatorship that has taken hold through the simple trick of owning the voting machines.
George Bush was never, in fact, elected president and the neocons deflected the weak criticism of this fact by committing a massive crime to change the subject permanently. It will take international troops on US soil to pull the US out of the swan dive towards fascism it is in. Just watch, the GOP is going to make an amazing recovery in the next week. It will be hailed as the Will of the People! I'm already hearing this bullshit from the regular suspect. Looks like the GOP really does have a chance after all. Last minute polls show amaing spikes in enthusiasm for the Republicans. This all seems so familar.
The sad thing is that there is no help coming from the likes of countries like China. They're not really an alternative in the sense that they once were. It is amazing that Spain and Canada are as liberal as they are but they're not going to help us in the US in any way other than being great tourist destinations.
If your plight is true then I AM very sorry for you, BUT changes in markets are part and parcel of business life, period. you have to find new ways to work round new things, everything changes, you have to adapt with it.
You said yourself you took it upon yourself to follow a different demographic, and it worked for you for a good long while it sounds, but now things have changed again, and you have to change again too.
I wouldn't blame piracy for your issues though, as many independent studies have show, the people who download more music are actually the ones who then BUY more music too, though not necessarily from a physical store, just an online one, which is mostly likely the primary candidate for your failing business model, unless it's just that people are always changing, and there may just be a massive drop in interest for the type of music you stock.. maybe even just in your local area, who knows.
Additionally, the demographic you targeted with your store are the LEAST likely to be downloading music illegally, because of the same values you mention, and the type of music they're after, that you stock, is far less likely to be available online illegally in the first place.
It's an easy scapegoat to blame, but it's not the root source of your problems, and you must not waste your time and energy on that, but spend it being productive and finding new ways to increase revenue, or even change market completely if that's what it takes for your sake as well as your kids (ie start selling ipods instead of albums? or something entirely non music related?).
I truly wish you the best of luck!
All the bullfighting ballads you can download, for free!
Where were you when the voynix came?
Is that in spain there is "law" that allow the sgae and company (RIAA equivalent in here) to tax the cd's and dvd's with more than one euro each (in the case of dvd's), to "compensate" for loses due to piracy.
Just so you can understand better... last year they got 300 million euros just in that concept. And believe me, you can bribe a lot of people with that.
Oh, I almost forgot, that money is shared unequally among the capos of the SGAE, leaving all the other 80.000 members with nothing.
In fact, the U.S. Congress took Judge Stearns up on his suggestion, adding the concept of commercial value and intent to profit to the criminal portion of the U.S. Copyright Law in the No Electronic Theft Act.
I would not be surprised to see the Spanish law changed to close this loophole as well. {Prof. Jonathan Ezor, Touro Law Center Institute for Business, Law and Technology}
When will the large record companies, the RIAA, etc. figure out that music has evolved? Music is digital now which means it can be transfered on so many formats that it is impossible for them to control who has what. If everyone remembers, back in the days of tapes, everyone shared music. I remember borrowing tapes and making copies. I never bought music, I bought blank tapes. If a friend didn't have a song I wanted, I listened for it on the radio and recorded it off that (granted the quality sucked). This is basically the same thing as file sharing. Why were they not tracking down the millions of kids that did this in the 80's?
Freedom is a state of mind. A mind is a state of being. Stay the fuck out of my mind and my being. - Corporate Avenger
I don't know the US legal system but from what I understood, every law transgression is 'criminal'. In most EU states, the 'criminal' label describes only the most serious violation. There are less serious violation, not called 'crimes' (I think you would translate it by 'offense') that are still illegal but the difference IIRC correctly is that you cannot be sentenced to jail for an offense.
The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
...but have no place to go, now you have a place to go!
Run with the bulls and download music and movies!
all the CDs which end up as coasters because I dared to touch the mouse while it was recording, etc.
how old is that burner that you don't have buffer-underrun protection? i haven't had a coater in 5 years due to a buffer underrun (liteon 482448s burner), though i have had a couple due to other factors such as the power browning/blacking out at bad times (i need to get a UPS) or the burning software crashing or whatever.
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When the musical artists of Spain cry out in anguish, suffering their poor fates, who will hear them?
Who will aid these poor souls, the noble artists who wish only to create beautiful works of musical art?
Who will avenge them upon the uncaring souls who insist on simply taking what they want?
El Kabong, that's who! <ka-bong!>
---GEC
I'm but the humble pupil, seeking to snatch the scratchbuilt pebble from the master's fully articulated hand
If you're serious of course... hahahahahahhahahhahaharoflmao111!!!one
While I know the parent is fake, and made up, I just caught this one line:
They have fought the War on Drugs with skill, so why not the War on Piracy?
And I have to ask... how well has that War on Drugs turned out?
You're serious? Really? I don't know where your christian rock only record store is, but here in the rest of the world the War on Drugs has been a catastrophic failure, resulting in widespread increases in drug use since the eighties. Drug-related and gang-related violence is also up, particularly in urban areas. My guess is that the reason why your business is down is because you grab customers by their shirts and call them little shits; whether he was going to put it up on Limewire later or not you lost a customer, and possibly several others who saw you do it.
Your story is heart-wrenching, yes, but I'll tell one of my own. A few years ago I reduced my CD-buying to a minimum. Back in high school I spent at least half my paycheque every week on old and new CDs and vinyl and I worked as a deejay. I was good friends with the record store owner in my hometown, and I think that I was a good, regular customer. I could depend on him to always have what I was looking for and he could rely on me to be there every couple of days hunting down 7-inches and old 78s. My music collection achieved "ridiculous" proportions just before college.
Then something happened. The RIAA started suing people, and at first maybe it was justified; people were stealing music and there's no way to get around that. But at the same time, something wonderful was also happening and they were putting a stop to it. I was able to seek out rare and interesting bands I'd never have a chance to find out about if not for the internet, and I would go down the street to the record store and buy up their singles and LPs. Most of the people I knew at the time did the same thing. Then the RIAA started suing 13-year-olds, grandparents, single mothers, basically extorting thousands and thousands of dollars from people who really couldn't afford it at all. The fees for infringement became ridiculous and the targets of lawsuits got even more ridiculous and I just stopped buying. Nowadays I add as little money as possible to their coffers (and that means as little as possible to yours, too, buddy) because every dollar I give to the RIAA has a good chance of assisting in the suing of some grandmother out there who doesn't even own a computer.
So before you go around shooting your mouth off about how you're the victim, take a good look around and consider that you might be pointing your finger at the wrong villains here. You're losing your business, but we're all losing our popular culture and creativity at the expense of lining the pockets of RIAA lawyers.
P.S. don't be a troll.
ugh I just duped a post, fed a troll, and probably made an ass of myself just now. It's too early here. *goes to get more coffee*
"Filesharing is theft. Plain and simple"
Once we peel back the "plain and simple" affirmation, we find an entirely incorrect statement. It is technically and legally impossible to steal via p2p.
"As a record store owner, My business faces ruin"
Why say records when you mean CDs?
"CD sales have dropped through the floor. People aren't buying half as many CDs as they did just a year ago"
Where is the blame being helped in iTunes, which is NOT filesharing, but is definitely eating into your business? Also, did you ever think that your unwillingness to serve your customers is part of the problem? I bet there might be a Wal-Mart nearby that will sell someone a CD at 10:30 at night, but you are could not be bothered, so you open late and close early.
"take yourself and your little bitch friend out of my store - and don't come back." I barked"
I wonder what else is going on there, if this indicates your basic attitude toward customers.
"Some people are offended by my blacklist system. I may have made my store less popular for pirates and sympathisers, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make to save my industry from destruction"
BR> So, basically, you are the captain of a sinking ship. Not only is the ship sinking, but you are down in the bilges with an axe chopping holes in the hull so it will sink faster. Tell me, have you hung the big sign "F*** OFF, CUSTOMERS!" in the window yet, or is that going up next week?
Where were you when the voynix came?
Yeah you little pricks! get the fuck out of my family oriented record store. If i ever see you dumb little bastards back in here i'm gonna sacrifice you bitches to the devil! and when's the last time you ever heard some teenager walk through a record store talking about how l33t he is because he's gonna "go right out and post this on the internet" smells like bullshit to me
We fed the troll, but I have seen attitudes like this expressed elsewhere, expecially with so-called "mom and pop" stores that have terrible customer service and rip you off and then whine and blame Wal-Mart when they have to close.
Where were you when the voynix came?
Had you been paying attention to slashdot for a while, you'll notice a copy and paste of a particular sob story about their CD store.
I'd pull up the reference from the meme section on Wikipedia but someone has been busy merging articles and deleting information. *coughs*
"I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
This is a totally old troll rant posted many times before. You all got suckered in again dammit...There is no record store people...
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"But this one goes to 11!"
Maybe your customers aren't buying CDs OR pirating music. I'd bet there's a good chance they took their money online to iTunes or Napster. That's not piracy, it's just a newer and more preferred method of buying music. Besides they don't have to deal with asshole clerks at the counter, either.
I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
pwn3d ... :)
[1] Not a typo.
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Fuck man, that is either not well thought out or you are some kind of wingnut extremist. What the last minute adendum to the NET Act --and it was a last minute adendum to the original bill-- which you refer to did was to claim that transactions that were completely non-commercial should be considered . . . wait for it, yeah that's right --commercial!
That is absurd. That is nonsense. That is assinine and that is currently the law of the land in the US and you're saying that Spain should then adopt this same absurd premise that non-commercial IS commercial. That would be some brilliant fucking advice. NOT.
Okay, now how do I get a Spanish IP address?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
In Common Law, this ruling would have made a precedent which other judges in further cases should follow. In the Spanish system, judges are only required to follow what is stated in written law; rulings for previous similar cases are used only as a guide, but are not mandatory.
Theft does not mean what you think it means.
You are an idiot and a troll.
Yes indeed, "Christian rock" is practically flooding the torrent swarms and P2P traffic so badly that it's hard to find porn anymore. :-|
;-)
(Just feeding the troll, LOL
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Unlike CDs, it's harder to copy books over The Internet
Ever hear of a scanner??
Ford and GM aren't selling as many cars either, perhaps they need to crack down on those people buying Toyotas or the cheaper imports.
I'd also like to make a $100k per year selling buggy whips, perhaps I can get the government to guarantee the success of my business model?
I'd also like to make it illegal for people to share water. They must buy it from a legitimate bottler, otherwise they make it impossible for those hardworking water bottlers to make a living. Some people mix lemons and sugar in their illegitimate water and make a product that competes with the patented product from Welch's. It's absolutely theft.
Once we solve that, we have to get after the parents who tell children stories -- those are copyrighted works, so reproducing them, however inexpertly, is infringing on copyright.
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"I think people don't buy music because they found other things to be interested in. "
The other reason is that piracy has made it no longed viable for people to invest in musicians and bands.
So the average budget for an album is about a tenth what it was in the early 80's.
The result of this is that the quality of the music and recordings has dropped.
I just got back from seeing a record company. I produced and recorded an album for an artist last year.
It got great reviews in the national press, loads of airplay, and I get people coming up to me all the time saying that they love it. None of them bought the thing, and I know that as I have the sales for all the shops in my city.
Total copies sold: 600. It's not even covered the cost of artwork, pressing and dinner to celebrate the release.
So that's it. I can't afford to do this for nothing, and neither can thousands of other people.
The only music you are going to get from now on is from the big record companies, as they make their money from their artists in other ways than direct music sales.
Yeah, that's true about the sentences in that finnish case, but you got to understand there is three levels in finnish court system. They were convicted in the lower level where you usually argue about speeding tickets and such. If somebody is not satisfied with the judgement then the case will go to higher level where way more things are taken into consideration until it is judged what the consequences are. So, that this case will go to higher law system and it might happen that the case is dropped.
In Soviet Russia, CDs pirate YOU!
So much has been said about illegal sharing of music and movies, yet still people seem to confuse the two separate terms "sharing" and "downloading".
Sharing is one thing and downloading is another. In some countries downloading isn't a crime against humanity (as RIAA would like us to believe), but sharing is (not against humanity anyway). One news story I saw lately, was about how police arrested 10 or so people for "pirating" movies and music and that they even confiscated a dedicated ftp server, however no-one accually said, that all of those arrested were sharing their music, not just downloading it. In Poland it's forbidden to share copyrighted material, but law doesn't say anything about downloading so you can use rapidshare or even p2p clients, as long as you have sharing disabled. Still, even popular news sites (some of which have mixed opinion on sharing) post articles clearly stating, that downloading mp3's will get you in jail. So please note the difference between sharing and downloading, because sometimes is a big one.
This brought a smile to my face. :)
To everyone replying to the parent post. STOP IT!!! /. story regarding music downloading. I only saw a reply to the parent post and that reply did not have much information but I could tell exactly what he was replying to.
/. troll that has been around for years and you all are falling for it again.
This is posted on almost every
This is a classic
Scientists need to be able to access the work of those who have gone before, collaborate with their contemporaries, and publish their works so that others may build on them.
In fact, many scientists are paid according as how many references their publications get.
In this sphere, being obstructive like saying 'file sharing is illegal' is not going to allow progress to happen.
So, I understand the point about the commercial music sellers. But please understand that commercial music is a luxury; I might spend spare money on it, or I might not.
But please figure that not all human endeavours are helped by locking down the Internet so that it can't be used.
There is a Euro sign infront of the number (if you can't see that, time to upgrade your browser ;)
The Euro is the name of the currency the European Union is trying to make the common currency of europe. Many countries are in the process of getting rid of local currencies in favor of the Euro.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Depends on how much you infringe.. htm
If you pirate more than $1000 worth of copyrighted works during any $180 day period, then it's criminal. Otherwise it's civil.
See
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/17usc506
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#506
-- "I never gave these stories much credence." - HAL 9000
The Finns who were fined an assload of money were admins of a popular torrent tracker (Finreactor). They got busted in late 2004. People who were charged only for uploading (not admining the tracker) were acquited, mainly because it was hard to prove what and how much they uploaded.
When they see that, the people think "what a fucking rip-off" and they go out without getting the music.
This is what I do; now, I borrow CDs from friends or the library and copy them on my server at home. Right now, I have almost 4000 songs there, and I may have paid for about 60 of them; that's when I used to be a sucker that paid $20 for a CD, but I know better now. I haven't bought a CD in about 7 years, and whenever I thought I bought it, I cringe at the utter waste of money.
And you wonder why your store is deserted? If you treat your customers like criminals, well, don't be surprised if they desert or "rip you off"...You just proved to the kids that downloading pirated songs is much less a hassle than facing a grumpy hardass record store owner.
One day, you will have to do what all senseful anglo-saxons do, and accept responsibility for your actions.
12 years ago, you bought into a losing industry, which makes you a loser.
You have only yourself to blame.
And your imminent bankrupcy is well-deserved, if only for your hardassness.
I could go on, and on, but I have some borrowed CDs to copy.
It must be noted that, while the sentence mentions "sharing", it doesn't mention P2P networks or anything. Moreover, what this guy did was to contact other people on "chats" (I don't know if he was using MSN or IRC or some other thing) and he was exchanging files with other people he met through email messages and normal mail (yes, they were sending CD copies to each other). This might have affected, I suppose, the outcome of the case.
In the newspapers yesterday they mentioned what's described in TFA, but today we were delivered the other side of the story, with the RIAA-equivalent organizations saying this doesn't set a precedent and that it was not very important due to the facts mentioned above. Nor that I agree with them or something, but it's nice to have both sides of the story and full information about what the guy was actually doing.
ffs, why must people persist in using "file sharing" and "illegally copying copywrite material" as synonyms? It's like saying that "driving a car" == "breaking the speed limit". Yes, you *can*, potentially, choose to do illegal stuff with file sharing utilities, just like you can, potentially, choose to break the speed limit when you drive your car. But that does not mean that one implies the other!
...I think people are going to have to go back to making their own music again.
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The structure of the recording industry have changed under the last decades. Almost every one today can own the recording equipement, so what is important to those few companies is to own the legal rights on the recorded piece of art. When our politician will give away the rigth for the people to do private copy, as in Sweden today or maybe in Spain tomorrow, they just sign a blanck check to those companies and don't give a dime for the rights of their own people. Hoppefully, many musicians understand that much better as our politicians and we have today more and more independant recording labels. The future of the recording industry is with those independant labels. See http://www.iaspm.net/recordingindustry.htm for a briefing about the recording industry structure and http://www.matcallahan.com/ The Trouble with Music for the point of vue of an artist:
"Making music is a process as old as the human species,which means that if the music's in trouble because humanity as a whole is in trouble. The Trouble with Music speaks to those troubles and it maps a way out. It's invaluable."
"Like the replacement of essential nutriment by junk food, music lovers are expected to surrender their critical faculties and consume the phony McMusic that can be more effectively controlled and profitably sold than the genuine article..."
lol, it's amazing how you got so many replies, since that troll is older than my grandma.. even i (occasional /. lurker) have seen it posted in numerous riaa related stories..
;)
quite funny though