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Get on the 'Gates for President' Bandwagon

netbuzz writes "Dilbert's Scott Adams kicked off the idea in his November 19th blog post, saying there isn't anything wrong with this country that President Bill Gates couldn't cure in less time than it takes to get a new operating system out the door. Today, the idea is moving forward with a brand-new 'Bill Gates for President' Web site. Adams is also back on the campaign trail, flogging the site and Gates' candidacy." A blog post at Network World includes a lot of eye-rolling about this idea, but neither Adams nor the folks at the 'Gates for President' website seem to be taking this lightly.

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  1. Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by gevmage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmmm...I seem to remember that Bill say that he was going to be stepping down as Microsoft CEO in a couple of years...right about when the 2008 Presidential campaign would be heating up.

    Microsoft decided to get into the console gaming arena without any prior experience. Perhaps Bill is thinking this same thing with politics. After all, Arnold Schwatzenegger and Jesse Ventura both won state governorships primarily on name recognition. And as much as I despise is company's tactics, he is quite intelligent and has real management skills.

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    1. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "but he is a smart man."

      How do you figure?

      Seriously. Since kinda writing Basic a million years ago, what has he done that makes you think he's anything other than a rich kid who was in the right place at the right time?

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    2. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Insightful
      While I can't say I love the idea, I'd probably rather have Bill as President than most of the people who run.

      I was thinking this too. How sad that one of the most reviled of businessmen is actually attractive compared to so much of the other options when it comes to President.

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    3. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
      How sad that one of the most reviled of businessmen is actually attractive compared to so much of the other options when it comes to President.

      reviled by the Geek, perhaps. but not by TIME magazine. and not by the population generally. which has never shared the Geek's hatred of Microsoft.

      a poster the other day had the right idea when he wrote that the Borg icon for Gates was a desperately lame and tired old joke that has no resonance beyond Slashdot.

    4. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by megaditto · · Score: 3, Insightful
      what has he done that makes you think he's anything other than a rich kid who was in the right place at the right time?

      Bush Jr. was also a rich kid, in the right place, and at the right time; yet somehow his every single business venture ended up in a miserable failure (Arbusto Energy, Harken, Spectrum, Rangers, Sammy Sosa fuckup, etc. etc.)

      So I might, just might be willing to give Bill Gates a try.

      Unfortunately, not being a sociopathic sadist, Gates is at real disadvantage.
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    5. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by JoshJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Schwarzenegger can't become president without a Constitutional amendment which probably isn't going to happen in this age of xenophobia.

    6. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by cshotton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      reviled by the Geek, perhaps. but not by TIME magazine. and not by the population generally. which has never shared the Geek's hatred of Microsoft.

      All that shows is Gates' ability to retain a competent PR firm to groom his image in such a way that his misanthropic tendencies, dubious business practices, and outdated technical expertise are hidden behind the gloss of a $50 billion net worth. In a land of "Who wants to be a millionaire", most of the shallow end of the gene pool can't be bothered with actually analyzing the skills and merits (or lack thereof) of their political candidates.

      This story is one of the biggest meta-trolls posted in Slashdot history. Honestly, what qualifies a newspaper cartoonist to advocate the political candidacy of one of the least qualified personalities imaginable other than the possible humor value when he laughs about it with friends a year from now?

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    7. Re:Bill DID say he was leaving microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I doubt anyone alive at this point in time has so much for so many worthy causes as Gates. He has certainly given more money to charity than anyone else, probably by a magnitude. If malaria -- which kills more than two million people every year -- is eradicated with the next decade we will have him to thank for the saved lives. When you speak of "misanthropic tendencies", I guess what you are referring to that he forced your favorite browser out of the market, or maybe that he tries to stop you from buying a computer with your favorite unix clone preinstalled? Take a moment and weigh those things against each other: preinstalled unix clone or eradication of malaria. Would you say a person who prefered the former or the latter is misanthropic?

      The (educated) public doesn't like him because he has a slick PR division, they like him because he is currently doing more good than anyone else in the world. And freaks like you -- too pathetic for words, really -- have the gall to whine about "lack of technical expertise"? I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry, but since people like you make up such a miniscule part of the general populace and nobody cares about your inane hangups, I think I'll settle for laughing.

  2. A philanthropist President by traindirector · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I personally welcome our new DOS-stealing philanthopist overlord.

    But on a serious note, it might be nice to have a president who has become more philanthropist than tycoon and who is notable because of his business and humanitarian accomplishments, not because of a life of playing to political interests. He already has extensive experience with large organizations. Might be more interested in following his own vision than listening to what the people want, though, although that seems to be the case with most great leaders...

  3. Remember by s20451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steve Forbes for president? Or Ross Perot? Look how far those two smart, rich, successful businessmen went.

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    1. Re:Remember by drooling-dog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I were going to vote for a Super Rich Guy President, Warren Buffett might deserve a look. I've seen/read a few interviews, and was fairly impressed.

      A point he made once that was worth remembering (paraphrasing a bit)...

      Imagine that you're still unborn, in the womb, and are given the opportunity to choose the kind of world in which you'll be living after you're born. The only catch is that you can't know the circumstances of your birth - rich/poor, black/white, European/Somalian, healthy/sick, etc. Now, what kind of world do you choose when you have no idea where you'll fit into it? Buffett said that's the world you should be striving for.

    2. Re:Remember by Pendersempai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/original-positio n/

      Buffett didn't come up with that. John Rawls did.

    3. Re:Remember by drooling-dog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Read John Rawls, don't attribute that to Warren Buffett (who does seem to be a good guy regardless, but not a philosopher-king).

      The fact that he knows and repeated it is enough for me; I wouldn't expect a Super Rich Presidential Candidate to have originated all of his ideas. We're talking about politics here, not academics.

  4. Expect a ban on open source.. by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    at least open source paid for by governments.

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  5. Is it April Fools Day already? by PingXao · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My calendar is about to say December 1, not April 1. This is really dumb. I don't bash Bill Gates a lot. I admire him in some ways. But come on, who wants a president whose company has been conviceted of being an illegal monopoly, that has been found gulty of being a predator, that has stifled innovation while claiming the opposite, that has run roughshod over consumer rights and then tried to weasel out of every penalty anyone ever tried to impose on it?

    Oh, wait... is he running as a Republican?

  6. RE: Get on the 'Gates for President' Bandwagon by maynard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No.

  7. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Government is SUPPOSED to be inefficient.

    If you let it be too efficient, then they do things like round up all the gays, communists, jews, and anyone else they dislike and throw them in jail.

    One of the major reasons the US is so sucessfull is that it created multiple layers of bureaucracy (Senate, House, Executive Branch, Legal system, State governments, etc.) instead of making one thing that just works well.

    Fast governments do things without thinking, ignoring the wisdom of "hey, maybe we ought to stop and think about it before we make abortion illegal", and just go ahead and passes laws that people think they want when they are scared and terrified, instead of thinking long and hard about the long term consequences of it.

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  8. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um.....

    No.

    Good government is reasonable and thinks and debates until it's time to do something, then goes out and does it. "Inefficiency" and "Debate" are two completely different things, and equating them is like equating "debating the war in Iraq" with "not supporting our troops..." They are two completely different things that look somewhat alike to the unaware observer. I guess the real problem with our government is the people it has come to represent. Let me put it this way:

    The seventh most visited site in the US is run by less than 50 people.

    If that isn't a small number of people doing something beneficial for an extremely large number, I don't know what is. That's what I want out of government - run the water, run the electricity, run the courts system so it's fair, provide a social safety net, create an armed force that can defend our interests at home as effectively as necessary as cheaply as possible, push the economy to a high rate of growth, etc. And do it with as small a portion of the population and the population's resources as possible. The way our government is run now is completely purpose-less and the majority of it is done out of either sheer habit or the self-interest of politicians.

  9. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Government is SUPPOSED to be inefficient. If you let it be too efficient, then they do things like round up all the gays, communists, jews, and anyone else they dislike and throw them in jail. One of the major reasons the US is so sucessfull is that it created multiple layers of bureaucracy (Senate, House, Executive Branch, Legal system, State governments, etc.) instead of making one thing that just works well. Fast governments do things without thinking

    Fast != Efficient

    A machine that shreds your paper in one second but requires two passes is faster but less efficient than a machine that shreds your paper in two seconds but only requires one pass.

    It would be nice to see a government that does things slowly but still does it without graft and undue waste.

    It would also be nice to see a chorus line of my favorite porn stars lining up to serve me for the remainder of my lifetime, and about equally likely...

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  10. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Insightful
    inefficient

    You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

    An economically-efficient government could provide the same social services while charging less tax.

    I think an ideal government would be slow to change laws and efficient with spending.
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  11. Very excellent point by everphilski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the flip side, special interest groups declare bankruptancy. Groups claim they became ineffective because when ever they tried to buy Bill Gates he declined expressing that he already had enough headaches trying to spend the billions he already has.

    He would have the capability to do his own thing, 100%, all the way. No political backing, no SIG's, no anything. Pick his agenda, pick his priorities, open office to anyone without a corporate interest. Now that would be interesting.

  12. A Real Review of Bill Gates by iONiUM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm kind of confused, all the posts here on Slashdot talk about how Bill Gates shouldn't be president because [insert other person here] would be better. Or that he ran a company convicted of being an illegal monopoly.

    Why isn't anyone discussing how his years of experience both managing a bank account the size of a small country's GDP and running a huge corporation would be beneficial/detrimental to him being a President? Seems to me like everyone here is arguing emotion. For example, "I don't like him" isn't a useful tidbit of information.

  13. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by bunions · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > Government is SUPPOSED to be inefficient.

    >If you let it be too efficient, then they do things like round up all the gays, communists, jews, and anyone else they dislike and throw them in jail.

    this is about the dumbest thing I've read in some time. You're confusing a system of checks and balances with ineffiency.

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  14. The very same things which make us hate M$... by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And as much as I despise is company's tactics, he is quite intelligent and has real management skills.

    The very same things which make us hate M$... ...would probably make him an exceptional President. All except enforcing the use of Microsoft software in government.

    He's brilliantly intelligent, with an amazing ability to run a company. His ruthless determination to implement his ideas would be a terrific asset. His management and business experience is likely to make him a Republican, though at least socially he seems to be quite liberal.

    My only fear with President Gates is that he has the same ruthless determination and utter self-assurance that he's doing a good thing for the world with only one other person: Adolf Hitler.

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    1. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bush has showed us that ruthless determination isn't such a great trait in a president.

      Gates would make a horrible president because the country is not run like a dictatorship like all companies are. At MS he was the dictator, what he said went and anybody who questioned him could be canned. As a president you have to work with the congress. Bush had a compliant congress who were sycophantic to an obscene degree but even then he failed miserably in just about everything he tried.

      Gates is not used to compromising, he is not used to being disagreed with. He would make a horrible president.

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    2. Re:The very same things which make us hate M$... by Amani576 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok... Last I checked, Gates is pretty good at compromising. I mean, he doesn't do much of the actual work when it comes to the product anymore. I doubt he controls the advertising (which is one of the main reasons we hate MS), He donates so much money every year (and considering he's like filthy rich, that's a trait you don't see in many people as successful (comparitively) as him.) He has his own scholarship, his own charity, and as a person, he is regarded as a very nice person. The majority of the public doesn't see him as a bad guy... and in this spectrum, neither do I. For the very same reasons we hate him, are the very same reasons he would make a good president. Because he's good with people, because he's tedious and organized, he used to having subordinates do his work, and is a great figurehead - all the while keeping the top on the company, and an eye on the people below him, the product going out the door, and the way the consumer likes it, and him. For those reasons he'd be better than a politician. Because he's not all about himself and what he has... it's more about what happens... And that's an incredibly good quality to have in a president... or a politician in general.
      If we are to blame anyone for why we truly hate MS, I believe it should be Balmer... But, even then, he's not a terrible guy. We hate MS, because it's a product that people like... but are almost forced to use. Because they are nearly tyrannical in both the size and dealing of the company. And we hate Bill Gates for all of this... even though I doubt he should be blamed for all, if any of it.
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  15. Uh... by shaneh0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Build a multi-billion dollar corporation?

    Seriously, if you claim that was just dumb luck, well, don't expect me to respond. There are a million things that could've killed Microsoft (or any company) in its infancy.

    Yes, we can tell you hate microsoft, but lets not discount how difficult it is to build a successful business, let alone the most successful business in its industry.

    1. Re:Uh... by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Successful? Absolutely. Ethical? Not a bit. Everything Microsoft did in order to gain its "successful" position has been completely ethically bankrupt--unfair competition, shady deals, outright theft (see Stac), the list goes on and on.

      Is Bill smart? Certainly. Probably not that much technically (as is often said, what has he done himself since the Altair days?), but businesswise he's probably better than the very best Mafia dons in being able to barely skirt the law and use every dirty trick he can invent in making his business more successful, no matter who it hurts.

      But the question is, do you really want someone smart, in a criminal way, to run the country? I certainly don't.

      However, it seems we keep electing criminals to office anyway (Bush, Delay, etc.), and our current criminal president is utterly incompetent, so maybe we'd do better with a smart criminal like Bill...

    2. Re:Uh... by ruben.gutierrez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A criminally smart President doesn't mean a criminal President. It would be a good thing, as long as he could be kept in check. Think about security companies who hire top-notch crackers as consultants. It's because of their criminal (aka street?) smarts. Smart is smart, regardless of the subject.

    3. Re:Uh... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True genius is having your lawbreaking written into the law.
      And, as long as the playing field stays reasonably level, you can have another 230 years of managed corruption to show for it.

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    4. Re:Uh... by JoshJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I had mod points, I'd be tempted to mod this up for the sheer irony of it.

    5. Re:Uh... by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not so sure of that. Remember, a fair amount of MS's success has been to being in the right place in the right time, and the rest of their success has been from using that advantage to its fullest, even in contradiction of the law. All their money comes from their cash cows, Windows and Office. All their other ventures have been total money-wasters (though Xbox may finally turn a profit before too long if it hasn't already), and many of their moves have been in the interest of gaining or retaining power rather than improving their bottom line.

      If you want an example of a well-run business, look at IBM, which has been around for a century or so, or at Google, which has products that their customers actually get excited about.

      If Bill ran the USG the way he's run MS, he'd raise taxes and fund all kinds of hairbrained initiatives which would be expensive, poorly thought-out, and would flop. The only thing he'd do well is use the US's dominant position, unethically, to gain more power from the rest of the world, at everyone else's expense, and make the US even more hated than it is now.

    6. Re:Uh... by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      [...] outright theft (see Stac), [...]

      Since when is a patent violation "theft" ?

      Besides, I thought we'd all agreed that software patents were bad, mmkay ?

    7. Re:Uh... by Skim123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When was our last ethical president in office? Jimmy Carter, maybe. But at least Gates isn't a coke-snorting, drunk, or a shady land deal who uses his power to put interns in questionable positions, or makes backdoor, pre-election day deals with radical Muslims, or secretely bombs countries that we've not gone to war with, and so on. I mean, this century has seen some pretty unethical presidents.

      But what most people forget is that a large part of politics is... politics. Someone who can bring different sides together, who can serve as a spokeperson for the nation, who can pose policy and make the compromises to get it done.

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    8. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A criminally smart President doesn't mean a criminal President. It would be a good thing, as long as he could be kept in check.

      But then the USA has been having trouble keeping a president with the brains of a chimpanzee in check. C'mon, if Bush can take the USA into an endless war in Iraq because of "weapons of mass destruction", what chance is there of controlling a President who has even half a brain?

      As another poster has indicated, it is a helluvalot easier to be clever when there aren't any moral constraints on your actions. It makes it hard for those who have to think out questions of right and wrong to keep up with your shenanigans.

    9. Re:Uh... by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm in an odd position. I respect Bill gates for his achievements, but dislike Microsoft as it stands (and cannot beleive Ballmer is in chanrge, wtf's up with that?). Barely anyone remembers that Microsoft were once the good guys saving us from the evils of IBM and Unix (back when unix was a million flavors, and they were all damn expensive, before the wonder that is Linux).

      Bill is a shark. If he took his business abilities, which are somewhat fearsome, and turned them to politics, then interesting things could result. Look what happened when he turned to Charity, the biggest infusion of private funds into charitable works *in* *history*.

      However, is that really what America needs? I don't think so, not right now. Incidentally England was run by businessmen in the 18th and 19th century. The empire wasn't about glory, it was about profit. We did rather well out of it, even though people try and pretend that england was some kind of holy democracy. Remember the Suiz Canal Crisis? Think the motivation was political? Hell no, it was pure business reasoning. Ok it went badly for us, but that was because the climate had changed. The same reasoning had made us the most powerful nation on the planet, but its time had passed.

      The fact is that at certain points in history, businessmen have been the right people to run things.

      Remember that War of independence you had? Who were the initial group that started it all. Politicians? Nope, Businessmen....

      Who were the people who did the most to ensure America's technological dominance and ultimate victory in WWII? Businessmen. When politicians make war armaments decisions entirely you get bad decisions, History showed this clearly. For example, the UK's war spending and research was almost entirely government controlled. That's why we rejected the Jet until the war was almost over. Would a businessman have done that? Oh hell no.

    10. Re:Uh... by kjart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One might suggest that the reason that it is difficult to build a successful business is ethics. Perhaps I'm wrong, I've never performed the experiment of trying to build to separate businesses, one ethically and one like MS. Has anyone else done this and produced some results? How much easier does a complete lack of concern for one's fellow man make business building?

      I'm sorry, but since when is Bill Gates some sort of evil supervillain? It's one thing to complain about strongarm, monopolistic business practices and quite another to claim he has a "complete lack of concern for one's fellow man". I know this is Slashdot, but I find it hard to believe that what you typed is actually something other than parody of the groupthink.

      Is Bill Gates a cutthroat business man? Yes, he is, like many, many people out there (though more successful than most). Does this make him some sort of monster? No, it certainly does not, and I believe his philanthropy can attest to that as well.

    11. Re:Uh... by MickDownUnder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think everything Microsoft has done has been completely ethical within the context of the global corporate system.

      Breaking agreements, or acting upon an agreement that is inconsistent with the original spirit of the agreement is part and parcel of modern business practices. It's purely about the bottom line. If a corporate believes there is an advantage out of acting in a manner inconsistent with an agreement, than it will cost them in terms of possible law suits and litigation, then of course they are going to do the "unethical thing" and make a stack of money out of it.

      This sort of stuff goes on all the time, as I write this I'm sure some company out there has just done something to shaft another for it's own advantage.

      I really don't care about one company shafting another. I save my outrage over these sorts of practices for cases where a corporate is acting like this with the full knowledge that the harm that is inflicted is not just on some other corporate, but on real people. By this I don't mean financial harm but real bodily harm or death. E.g. Like companies that market products that they know may be harmful, or companies that corrupt political systems bringing civil disorder, starvation and/or war for corporate profit.

      We all know this sort of stuff actually goes on. Microsoft hasn't been guilty of anything like this, so why focus your wrath on them?

      In terms of Bill's ethics, I think in some ways especially in recent years he has acted far more ethically than most of his peers. His charity work is truely outstanding.

      Before anyone goes on about how much Microsoft didn't deserve to make the money that they have made, they should think about the money currently going towards curing 3rd world diseases and improving 3rd world education, curteousy of Bill, which otherwise might have end up being used to worsen conditions in the 3rd world, as many corporates do.

  16. Re:Qualifications? by curunir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What we really need to do is stop electing old-money millionaires. New-money [m|b]illionaires often have proved their skills in attaining their wealth. Things like fiscal responsibility and ability to predict how the world will change as time passes are often key ingredients in people amassing a large fortune without receiving a large part of it from parents.

    While I'm about the biggest Microsoft critic there is here, would it really be so bad to have a president who:
    a) Understands how bad an unbalanced budget really is.
    b) Sees the value of research and development as a means of staying ahead of the competition.
    c) Has no need to be beholden to any campaign contributors (why would Gates even bother to waste his time raising money when the cost of a campaign is a tiny fraction of his net worth?)
    d) Understands that the internet isn't just a series of tubes.
    e) Actually consider the position of hardware manufacturers when content companies decide they need some incredibly short-sighted piece of legislation to retain their monopoly.
    f) Understands the problems inherant in the US patent situation and how it stifles innovation by both small companies / individuals as well as for large companies like Microsoft.

    It would seem that regardless of political affiliation, a Gates presidency would mean a positive difference in a number of the slashdot-discussed political issues.

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  17. Re:BSoD by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everything in DC outside of the actual Federal Buildings should rightly go back to Maryland (just like Alexandria and Arlington went back to Virginia around 1840). Of course, even Maryland is too smart to agree to that.

    Sorry.

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  18. Re:Stop the presses!!! by krunoce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I didn't mean to elect Bill Gates specifically. I meant it would be nice if there was a president that I could relate to and we both shared the same interests in Computer Science. Not just anyone who knows how to save a text document to disk.

  19. Re:Worst idea I've ever heard. by Kismet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    America didn't even use the American style for more than a century. In reality, it probably only lasted until the Civil War.

    The original American system was a huge success, allowing all kinds of different people to create their own communities where they were free to hate each other all they wanted to. Most of the time they were able to settle their differences all by themselves, without any sort of Federal interference. And where they could never find the middle ground, they got over it. It was OK, in those days, for people to have their own bigoted opinions of each other. The laws of the land were based on natural, rights which were understood to NOT be granted by the government or even by the common consent of the people.

    Unfortunately, rich men needed us all to be very predictable. There is no way to support a mass-production economy unless artificial needs can be instilled in everyone. How can that be done unless the population is secularized with economic dogmas, political correctness, and layers of bureaucracy?

    Americans have lived in an artificial humanity for so long, we don't even know what natural rights feel like any more. Our 18th century impartial observers of humanity would be horrified to know what we think our "rights" are today.

    James Otis knew that America's torch had been lit on the flames of Great Britain. John Locke was English. Adam Smith was Scottish. Their ideas, among others, fueled the American revolution.

    Make no mistake - we still have our Tories. Ever since the revolution, they've been begging to get back into the good ol' boys club (a.k.a class system) that we left when we turned our back on the old Empire. We're nearly there.

  20. Geeks for President! by MikeFM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I had to pick geek icons for office I'd like to see Linus as President and RMS as vice president. Mr. Torvalds is a very good leader - he motivates people, he listens to people, he does a good job at picking others to lead under him. He is intelligent, much more ethical than Mr. Gates, and I think a far better leader than Mr. Gates. RMS would be a good VP because he is to crazy to give power to directly but he often has good points and knows how to get his voice out there to actually make a difference in the world.

    Sure Linus is from Finland but I'm willing to vote for him - something I'll never do for Mr. Gates. If I can't have Linus then I'd consider people from the EFF or any major American free software hacker. Seriously - I'll vote for you if you run guys. We need a pro consumer and pro science/technology President.

    I think I'm scared. What if the election comes down to being between Hillary Clinton and Bill Gates? I'd have to kill myself rather than be around when either of those two takes the lead of our country. Hillary is just an off her rocker lib that's never done anything but spout crap and Bill would slaughter fair use and similar consumer protection and anti-trust laws.

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  21. politics and democracy by idlake · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Bill Gates was running an organization that is more like the USSR than like a democracy: he had nearly absolute power to do as he pleased and he was planning his economy centrally. He could get rid of people he didn't like, he could create and kill projects as he pleased, etc. He also got a huge war-chest of money and a monopoly handed to him on a silver plate by IBM.

    Perhaps people forget, but the USSR was initially very successful, both economically and scientifically (e.g., Sputnik). But a few decades later, it all fell apart. And it's no accident that Microsoft is slowly collapsing under its own weight, despite still having huge amounts of money. Organizations like the USSR and like Microsoft simply aren't successful long-term.

    Overall, their job experience simply doesn't qualify US business leaders for high political office (of course, some of them may still figure it out and end up being good politicians, but that's not because of their business experience). To succeed as a politician in a democracy, people need to negotiate, compromise, build alliances, convince, have charisma, and do something reasonable even in the face of severe budget shortfalls. Gates doesn't strike as being capable of doing any of those well.