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Detecting Tailgaters With Lasers

stoolpigeon writes "Police in Arizona are using laser range finders to detect and ticket tailgaters. An officer can now measure not only the speed of passing vehicles but also how close they are to one another. The detectors described in the article are built by Laser Technology Inc., a company that provides lasers for traffic control, engineering, and even tactical/military solutions. The article mentions how tailgating is connected to many accidents and incidents of road rage; this observation fits my experience."

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  1. Re:Tailgating by Iamthefallen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tailgaters aren't that bad, I can live with them behind me.

    It's the fuckers that are really close in front of me I can't stand. How the hell am I supposed to be able to stop in time going 80mph when that guy is just 10 feet in front of me?!

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  2. Re:Tailgating by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always wanted a little TV in my car's back window, so I could show video of cars smashing into each other, bloody bodies flying into the air, etc which could be played when people follow me too closely. Either that or a pneumatic arm with a ballpeen hammer on the end to put holes into the hood of cars following too closely.

  3. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems like they could spend money on so many different things. . . . They need to catch speeders more than tailgaters."

    Umm, no. Tailgaters are worse. There can be a smart speeder. There is no such thing as smart tailgater. Becauses, it is not speeding that causes accidents, it's the person speeding needs to take extra caution. It can be done, even if it usually is not. Tailgating in-and-of-itself is dangerous.

    "I've seen people at 0.04 seconds. That is less than half a second," he said.

    Talk about enlightening comments. :)

    Some of the comments there say that someone else will just pull ahead of you. Ahem, they will then get tickets. That's the point. Then they complain that they're close for a minute and get tickets, well, this complaint and the first complaint are opposites.

    I hope these tickets work. Next we can take on gawkers.

    1. Re:Moo by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Well, if they're going to tag people for tailgating, I want them to issue tickets to the clowns going less than the speed limit in the left lane, too; and those who speed up as you attempt to pass them.

      I think the best way to reduce road rage is to eliminate the butt-heads who get in my way :-)

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    2. Re:Moo by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What bothers me more than tailgaters is tailgaters who avoid EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO PASS YOU, even when there is another lane going the same direction. If they're tailgating when there's no chance to pass, okay, they're annoying me, but I at least understand their position. If they're tailgating me while passing up every opportunity to pass, WTF?

    3. Re:Moo by QuesarVII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree completely!

      People don't tailgate just for fun (at least not most of them)! I feel that if the car in front of me can get the hell out of my way, then the driver is obligated to. Tailgating someone when they have no where else to go is pointless and rude too though.

      I don't know how many nights I've driven home on our local 2 lane highway, seeing 2 cars driving side by side at the speed limit or just below, with dozens of cars lined up behind them wanting to pass. The front person in the left lane really should be ticketed for impeding traffic. If not for these bozos driving like morons, traffic would flow smoother, and there would be far less road rage.

    4. Re:Moo by MBCook · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree. I've wished for years there was some kind of system where I could press a button and report a complaint on a car. You could chose a simple complaint (tailgating, speeding, going too slow, running lights, etc) and then it would be tied to their license plate. These would be agregated and people who get high numbers of complaints (i.e., the worst drivers) could then be "investigated" and ticketed. Bonus points for putting a camera in every car and attaching a little video clip so you can show the guy weaving through 20mph rush hour traffic at 70mph being an idiot so he can be fined.

      As is the only way is to call the police and report it, but unless the guy is being REALLY unsafe, it's usually not worth the time (or they wouldn't go after the guy unless a cop just happened to be nearby).

      Say what you will about black-boxes in cars, the way the local college students drive I'd vote for them. Heck, forget the college students, look at the general population around here and they seem like a good idea (especially when it gets rainy or snowy and the idiots come out who thing you should driver faster to get home sooner).

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    5. Re:Moo by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, maybe you're just a driver that can't drive at speed safely. What leads you to believe that you are the benchmark for the rest of humanity?

      I'm not saying that speeding can be done safely, but I'm also not arguing that just because I can't do it, it can't be done.

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    6. Re:Moo by the+phantom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honestly, I think it depends upon the situation. On I-80 between Reno and Salt Lake City, there is not a huge amount of traffic, high visibility, and very shallow turns. Twenty years ago, the speed limit along that strech of road was 60 miles per hour. Would it have been unsafe to go faster than that 20 years ago? What about now, when the speed limit is 75? Certainly, there is a danger to speeding, but driving over the limit is not necessarily that danger. The danger is in driving faster than the conditions allow. If the speed limit is 60, and everyone on the road is doing 60 (withing 5 MPH), then driving 90 is unsafe. So is driving 30, as other drivers will not be expecting such a slow vehical, and might be on top of you before they are aware of how slow you are going.

      Now, you have also stated that the effects of an accident while driving while speeding are worse. This is a slight misstatement of the facts, I think. The problem, again, is not that a person is speeding, but that they are involved in an accident while going fast. I could be abiding by the speed limit, and going 75, and any potential accident would be just as bad as if I were going 75 in a 60 MPH zone. The same is true about reaction times -- I have just as much time to react if I am 15 over the limit in a 60 zone as I do if I am driving the limit in a 75 zone.

      In city driving, I would agree that going over the speed limit is generally dangerous -- the speed limits tend to be lower because there are more cars, more pedestrians, more intersections, and, in general, more potential for problems. However, on the open highway, I don't think that speeding is the problem, so much as going at a vastly different speed than everyone else on the road.

    7. Re:Moo by belmolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hate to tell you this, but 35 in a 45 zone is not impeding traffic. 45 is the absolute limit under optimal conditions. If it is dark or foggy or raining heavily or snowing or for some other reason visibility is less than perfect, driving slower than the limit may well be highly desirable. Similarly if the road is wet or icy or covered with debris. Maybe the guy ahead of you has noticed some other factor that you can't see or haven't noticed, such as kids playing close to the road who look likely to run out into it or a vehicle broken down up ahead. Maybe the driver is not feeling well and does not feel safe at full speed. (In the long run, if this persists, yes, he should get off the road, but sometimes you suddenly feel sick, or you need to get to the doctor or a motel or find a safe place to pull over.) Maybe the driver is concerned about a problem with his vehicle. There are lots of reasons to drive less than the speed limit. People who think that the speed limit is a minimum are a problem.

    8. Re:Moo by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This would be true if it was still 1970... But I can tell you now I generally follow the '+10 MPH in good wheather', 'Speed limit in rain/fog/other minor wheather', and '-10 MPH in snow'. It almost always works out to optimize my speed for conditions. Most speed limits haven't been changed since at least 1970 (and often 1940's or 50's), yet cars have improved drastically since then... Why are we still driving as if it was 1950 or 1970? Because the government wants to be able to enforce existing laws to recive increased revenue from people doing what makes more sense... Aka driving faster than rated 'speed limit' speeds. Of course they harp 'safety' as why they refuse to change limits, but cases of speeding increase and have increased since the mid-1970's because the 'old' speed limits are seen as more and more outdated...

      That said I know plenty of people who shouldn't drive because they aren't safe at any speed... But driving 30 mph (in what is now a 55 mph zone) wouldn't help them at all...

      I should also point out my simple +10 mph is often considered to slow by truly reckless drivers who often go +20 or +30 mph over the speed limit, change lanes without looking, switch lanes without signals, and a variety of far more dangerous habits...

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    9. Re:Moo by belmolis · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is probably true that for certain classes of vehicle on certain types of road speed limits that were set twenty or thirty years ago are now lower than they need to be. What concerns me about relying on this to set the safe limit at, say, 10 mph above the posted limit is: (a) on an unfamiliar road, you don't know when the limit was set; it may be recent; (b) you often don't know the basis for the limit. That is, if the controlling factor was the physical condition and curvature of the road, it may be true that you can go faster due to the greater ability of your vehicle to hold the road etc. of your more modern vehicle, but what if the limiting factor is the driveway or school bus stop that you can't see around the curve? (c) Some people drive vehicles that don't stop as well, or don't hold the road as well, or whatever. This may be due to having an old vehicle or one that hasn't been well maintained or to the type of vehicle. Even a current SUV, for example, can't take curves at as high a speed as a compact.

    10. Re:Moo by dircha · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I hate to tell you this, but 35 in a 45 zone is not impeding traffic. 45 is the absolute limit under optimal conditions."

      And I hate to tell you this, but apart from emergencies and hazardous weather, if you can not safely drive faster than 35 in a 45, you should not be on the road. It's as simple as that. With the technology in modern vehicles, if you, presumably a fully functioning adult human being can not drive 45 in a 45, not only are you a nuissance, you are a risk to the lives of other drivers on the road.

      If you must drive, in the interests of safety I recommend you mark your car as a slow moving vehicle following the regulations in your jurisdication for the transportation of implements of hubandry.

      Have you considered arranging for transporation? If you feel that you can not safely operate a motor vehicle, there are public and private services available in most areas to help you meet your transportation needs. A good place to get started would be a local nursing home or retirement housing complex.

      The exceptions are not the rule.

    11. Re:Moo by theLOUDroom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      45 is the absolute limit under optimal conditions.

      Bullshit. 45 is just a number they picked. Most speed limits in the US are not chosen to be the maximum safe speed. (And it should be obvious the anyone who's not a total moron that the maximum safe speed for a Corvette and a double-trailer semi are going to be VERY different numbers.)

      There are lots of reasons to drive less than the speed limit.

      Yes, and most of them mean either:
      A) You're not paying attention and are therefore dangerous.
      B) Your ability to drive is impaired and are therefore dangerous.


      Sure there are some exceptions, pulling a trailer up a big hill for example, but the vast majority of the time it's some jackass talking on their cellphone. Do everyone a favor, if you just *feel* like driving slow, pull over every once in a while and let that huge line of cars by you. (It's really the only safe way to get rid of tailgaters anyways.)

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    12. Re:Moo by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've encountered people who thought that "The Butterfly Effect" was a deep movie. Perhaps the two are related?

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    13. Re:Moo by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Instead of just expressing my favourite profanity here at the person above's cluelessness and lack of experience I'll point out that if you don't know the road or don't know the vehicle well yet and don't know why it is a 45 you'll go slower, or if the road is wet, or if you are driving something with a high centre of gravity with crap brakes, tyres designed for other conditions (some 4WD tyres are crap on wet sealed roads) or other defects that were not there from design.

      Here's a story not unique and the poster above should have heard or seen several by now if they have grown up. I took a corner too fast on a mountain road under bad conditions while being tailgated - I should have known better and driven far less than the speed limit but I thought if I braked more the guy only two metres behind would slam into me. The fool behind me in that european sports car that could go quickly in those conditions didn't even stop to help or see if I was alive.

      Sometimes you have to take it slow - despite the smart arse comments ridiculing people above.

    14. Re:Moo by panaceaa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apart from GNAA ASCII art and first posts, if you can not comprehend what other commenters have written, you should not be writing your own comments. It's as simple as that. With the font size technology and translation software in modern browsers, if you, presumably a fully functioning adult human being, can not understand what a post says, not only are you a nuisance, you are at risk of looking like a buffoon.

      If you must write replies, in the interests of sanity I recommend you wear glasses following the recommendations of your ophthalmologist for your current reading conditions.

      Have you considered arranging for dictator? If you feel that you can not comprehend the contributions of other Slashdot readers, there are public and private services available in most areas to help you meet your reading needs. A good place to get started would be a local nursing home or retirement housing complex.

      The exceptions are not the rule.

    15. Re:Moo by identity0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I hate to add to the self-righteous tone of this thread, but here goes...

      You are assuming that someone going 35 is physically incapable of going 45, instead of choosing to do so. There are any number of reasons why you would do this, from slowing down for a turn, unfamiliarity with the area, bicyclist or pedestrian along the road, blind curve, or just not being comfortable with the road - plenty of roads are badly maintained and kept.

      Only a fool would drive the maximum of the limit all the time, and assume that those who don't are "bad drivers".

      And how are you going to deal with tractors, construction equipment, or other slow vehicles allowed on the road?

  4. Laser Technology Inc by webrunner · · Score: 2, Funny
    The detectors described in the article are built by Laser Technology Inc.,


    Wow, what a name. Wonder how they came up with it? I guess they're just creative.
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    1. Re:Laser Technology Inc by wfberg · · Score: 4, Funny

      The detectors described in the article are built by Laser Technology Inc.,

      Wow, what a name. Wonder how they came up with it? I guess they're just creative.


      Yeah, but that name was already taken.

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  5. Re:Tailgating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like they say, there are only two types of drivers:

    The assholes in front of you, and the assholes behind you.

  6. California rules by wsanders · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're supposed to allow 1 foot for each 10 MPH of speed, you inconsiderate clod. And an extra 10 feet if you're watching a movie on the DVD player in the dash, and 10 more feet if it's a porn movie.

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    1. Re:California rules by CommunistHamster · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yup, 10 feet seems about enough for the other motorists to avoid crashing into my "huge car"

    2. Re:California rules by L7_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      I always thought it was a flat '2 second' distance. However, most people can't translate seconds (a time unit) into a feet (a distance unit) using the most basic of physics so they come up with the 1ft per 10mph of speed. This flat time rule is the same as your fluctuating distance rule: the slower you are going, the closer you are (in that two seconds you cover less distance) and the faster you are going the further back you are.

      I like to look at a car's rear bumper, see it cross one of the dotted lines or reflectors in the road as a reference point and count in my head 'one one-thousand', 'two one-thousand' and if I pass that same reference point in the road before I complete that second 'one-thousand', then I know that I am too close. Much easier to actually calculate than the 1ft per 10mph. ;)

    3. Re:California rules by xantho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't use the 3 second rule. Use the 'shitload' or 'whole fucking lot' rule instead.

      Leave space like civil engineers use more beams and supports. Way overdo it, and let all the careless or crazy drivers be the ones to cause accidents.

    4. Re:California rules by serbanp · · Score: 5, Informative

      I guess you're a little slow [sic]... Your math is very good if you're doing 50mph at 5ft from a freaking wall. Then it's good for the genetic pool to slam into it, you deserved that.

      In the real life, though, the car in front of you moves at the same speed as you. Since they can't decelerate in zero time, the math to compute the allowed reaction time is a little more complex.

    5. Re:California rules by networkBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So you were the asshole giving everyone cuts? :-)
      "I've seen people at 0.04 seconds. That is less than half a second," he said.

      That was a gem. No shit 4 hundredths of a second is less than half a second. I really hope that was a typo and was meant to be 0.4, even then no shit on the math part.
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    6. Re:California rules by kimvette · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No kidding. I'm a Masshole and I find driving around here frustrating because on the highway any time around rush hour, driving courteously and leaving sufficient following space is just license for three other cars to cut in front of you. :( I would love to move out of this state to somewhere in the midwest where people are at least slightly more courteous.

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  7. If they really want to improve road safety by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They can just ban the SUV. No fancy lasers needed.

    1. Re:If they really want to improve road safety by the_wishbone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You should say "Ban dumb drivers." Dumb drivers drive all types of vehicles, banning SUV's is not a realistic solution. If you want to make the roads safer, it's about education - not only classroom type stuff but extensive defensive driving education involving real driving. I've been in classes that simulate your tires locking up, your rear end spinning forward, teach you how to safely fall into a ditch (by having you ACTUALLY DO IT), teach you what to do in case of a blowout, teach you what to do when you hydroplane (yes, they sprayed the tarmac with water and actually made you hydroplane) and teach you how to get back on road from a shoulder safely without losing control due to your tires suddenly hitting pavement. Doing this kinda stuff helps you react a lot better when it actually happens (I've found that out firsthand).
       
      If everyone went through this type of education you bet we'd all be better off. Instead, we put little Susie through a short class, have her take a test, then drive around for an hour, and hand her a driver's license. A sixteen year old girl who just got her license but drives a Civic is far more dangerous than a grown man with years of driving experience in many types of situations, who is driving an SUV.
       
      I drive an SUV. I like to be able to COMFORTABLY carry five people, even on long trips. I like being able to put two mountain bikes inside. I like to offroad as a hobby about once a month, I like to go camping in remote places only accessible to 4x4's. All in all, I STILL use less gas than most people because I live three miles from work. Stop assuming that your needs and habits are the same as everyone else's, and people with SUV's are just wasting gas and making the roads unsafe.

  8. Re:Not the Tailgaters Fault by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bad traffic in Phoenix has significantly less to do with illegial imigrants who can't read English (sheesh...) and much more to do with the facts that:

    (a) Phoenix is too broad for it's own good. People live 30-40-50 miles from where they work.
    (b) Phoenix freeway and surface street infrastructre has lagged behind our phenominal growth (see above).
    (c) Phoenix is a melting pot. Nobody's actually FROM Phoenix. We're made of EX-somethings. Sure, there's a few natives, but it's NOT the norm.
    (d) We have a significant snowbird population (also, see above).

    Combine the overloaded bad infrastructure with a nation's worth of driving customs and a constantly supply of new (and seasonal) people, and you're looking at the bulk of what's wrong with Phoenix traffic.

    Speeds of 85+ are the norm on I-10 (and 17 and 101/202/60/51) when congestion permits it.

  9. Re:Not the Tailgaters Fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The speed limit is the same for BOTH lanes of the road. And "the appropriate 10 mph+ over the speed limit" is a bunch of crap. The only APPROPRIATE speed is to follow the limit as given.

    Let up on the accelerator there lead-foot.

  10. I love tailgaters! by 6Yankee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Especially BMWs.

    (I have a tow-ball.)

    1. Re:I love tailgaters! by 6Yankee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Re:I love tailgaters! (Score:2) by bmwm3nut (556681)

      Nothing personal, BTW :)

  11. What I hate... by IflyRC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I try to be a safe driver. So, I drive with the intention of leaving a couple of car lengths between me and the car in front. What happens? Someone sees that as an invitation to merge on over!! Next thing I know my "safe space" is down to inches. Best thing to do then...I upset the guy behind me and slow down opening up more of a gap trying to manage between not letting someone over and making sure I have some room to stop.

  12. Re:Tailgating by fm6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My idea was a flashing neon sign that says, "back off!"

    Problem is, everybody thinks they're a perfect driver, and get very weird when anybody tries to tell them otherwise. Hence all the road rage incidents connected to tailgating.

    My strategy is to slow down, but subtly, so they don't register that I'm pissed at them. I don't even brake, I just don't push the accelerator as hard as a normally do. Invariably the tailgater gets impatient and passes, without registering any change in my driving.

    It is, of course, frustrating to see bad driving and not be able to communicate your concerns to the other driver. But frustration is better than being targeted by a psycho.

  13. How many times do I have to tell you, officer? by r_jensen11 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not tailgating, it's drafting! Have you seen the fuel prices these past few years?

  14. Re:Tailgating by operagost · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just flick boogers.

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  15. Re:Not the Tailgaters Fault by NetDanzr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can replace "Phoenix" with "Atlanta" and you'll get exactly the same situation. I drive 25 miles to work, and the right-most lane goes around 70mph in a 55mph zone. I'm not a slow driver, so that's not a problem for me. However, I do keep my distance. As a result, I get constantly cut off by others, and it usually takes me a few seconds to regain my distance. If during that time I'm clocked as being too close to the car in front of me, I could easily get ticketed even though I didn't tailgate. (Almost said that I didn't do anything wrong, but I'm not that sure about that. A judge told my friend to drive closer to the car in front of him after a driver tried to cut my friend off and he tapped the driver's back corner, sending him into a spin. According to that judge, it is wrong to give people the opportunity to cut you off.)

  16. Re:Tailgating by pilgrim23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Somehow safety and the issuance of tickets are related? Tickets are primarily a revenue generation system. Any traffic improvement is a mere secondary consideration. If this laser device costs X then ticket generation will increase till the moneys generated are at least X times 10. Then and only then will the program be deemed a success.

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  17. Re:Tailgating by Bastian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tailgating at night is particularly bothersome. I drove a subcompact car, and an SUV or truck on my tail with its headlights in my eyes is blinding. That's a really dangerous situation on the country roads, where I need to have enough vision to be able to watch for deer, fallen branches, etc.

    My usual approach is to just slow down to the point where I'm not overdriving my vision, but since this tends to anger the clueless fuckers behind me, they will often respond by getting even closer or turning on their brights, which just forces me to slow down even more. I don't know why they don't pass; apparently it takes an appreciable amount of intelligence to figure out that the guy who is currently driving at 30 but was going 55 when you first got on his tail is probably not going to speed up and it's easier to just get ahead of him if you really absolutely have to be driving 65 at night during deer season.

  18. Re:Only half of the point... by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 4, Informative

    sample question from the driving theory test in the UK (paraphrased):
    "You are travelling at the spped limit. A car comes up behind you and flashes their lights at you requesting to overtake. Do you:
    a) Speed up
    b) Slow down
    c) Maintain your speed
    d) Sound your horn"

    The correct answer is c. Frankly, when you go about trying to blind the person infront of you by flashing full beams into their rear-view mirror (particularly at night) for doing nothing more than following Driving Standards Agency advice, you deserve everything you get. Up to and including a stinger missile.

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  19. Here's an interesting ratio by benhocking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Take the number of people driving below the speed limit to the number of people who are tailgating. My estimate is that this ratio is about 1:5000.

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  20. Shouldn't be enforced in the fast lane. by gumpish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On divided highways, tailgating rules should not be enforced in the fast lane if the state law requires slower traffic to keep right. In such cases, people holding up traffic in the fast lane should be pulled over and cited.

    In all other cases though, I support the enforcement of laws against tailgating.

  21. Re:Tailgating by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My idea was a flashing neon sign that says, "back off!"

    Like this one?

  22. Heavy Traffic by SQLz · · Score: 3, Funny

    In heavy traffic, if you constantly change lanes, tailgate anyone in front of you, shake your fist in fury, you will get most places a lot faster.

  23. But leaving more than 10ft gets you cut off by dircha · · Score: 5, Funny

    In traffic, leaving more than a single car length between you and the guy in front of you gets you cut off. It's an invitation for some asshat in the next lane over to cut in. You know the type.

    I tell ya... roof-mounted laser gun turrents. "We've got a Jetta at 3 o'clock! Get in there and keep him occupied until I can engage the damned lightdrive!"

    That and enemy symphathizers - traitors. You rode that bumper like an animal in heat and kept the Jetta out of your lane. But what's this? The Jetta pulls ahead and that weak-willed pansy Corolla two cars ahead lets him in, after all your work! "Dammit man, we're trying to hold a line here. Get on that fucking bumper and ride it for all you're worth you fucking pussy!"

    Where did these people learn to drive? Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood?

    1. Re:But leaving more than 10ft gets you cut off by dmatos · · Score: 2, Funny

      And I keep trying to explain to you, lasers will do no good. Some asshat in front of you cuts you off, so you lance his car with a beam. Good for you. Now there's a pile of molten slag in your path that you have to avoid, which you can only do by cutting off someone else.

      What you really need is an RPG. With luck, the explosion will launch the fragments of the offending vehicle completely out of your path.

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  24. Drafting by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not tailgating, I'm Drafting. The extra 5% gas savings, is awesome, AND I have the benefit of saving the planet from greenhouse gases.

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    1. Re:Drafting by Jello+B. · · Score: 3, Funny

      And if you turn left and right really fast, you get blue sparks.

  25. Re:Tailgating by wealthychef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A better strategy is to just vary your speed by +/- 2 MPH in a continuous cycle. Then even if they don't pass, they have to give you more room. Try it. :-)

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  26. Re:Does this work by green1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    >> Is the ticketting reducing the number of accidents?

    if you are referring to the tailgate-detector tickets, nobody knows yet as there hasn't been enough time to find out.

    if you are talking about speeding tickets and red light camera tickets. the answer is absolutely. many studies have shown that with higher enforcment of speed limits and red lights people DO change their driving habits, slow down, and obey signals. Further it has been proven that whith the slower speed of traffic not only are there fewer collisions*, but they are also less likely to involve injuries and death. I know the public perception is that it's a tax, but this is a really simple tax to avoid, don't break the law, and you will NEVER be caught doing so.

    reference:
    http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety /documents/page/dft_rdsafety_029193.hcsp
    http://ip.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/9/4/302
    http://www.tfhrc.gov/safety/pubs/05048/index.htm
    http://www.esafety-effects-database.org/applicatio n_15.html
    and others... (google is your friend)

    *I won't use the word accident in this context because the majority of the time it is no accident and any intelligent person can see exactly why it happened

  27. Re:Tailgating by EvilMagnus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How? By running the red light and T-boning crossing traffic? Or by ploughing through the pedestrians on the cross-walk?

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  28. Re:Not the Tailgaters Fault by FrostyWheaton · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You are NOT obeying the law if your state has a 'Keep right except to pass' type law on the books. Illinois, for instance, is one of those states.

    So, either keep out of Illinois or take off that stupid paper hat, get off your high hobby-horse and get your sorry slavish-speed-limit-obeying butt into the right lane.

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  29. Re:Tailgating by 6Yankee · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hear a lot of my friends complaining about nocturnal tailgaters - particularly, as you say, the SUV-type things. And yet, a lot of them give me a blank stare when I suggest that they use the anti-dazzle feature of their rear-view mirror.

    "You see that thing for hanging the furry dice off of? Flick it."

    "Wow..."

    Unless they're lucky enough to learn after work in a high-latitude winter, most people will never drive in the dark with an instructor. Which is pretty scary, when you think about it.

  30. Tailgating is fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    As someone else pointed out, it's a form of drafting so it saves fuel.

    Plus, sometimes, if you're trying to help somebody out, you come at their bumper from an angle and then just a light tap and you slide into the lane. You spin the other guy out, and it he's any good, he can probably avoid hitting anything deadly.

    It's a normal part of driving. If you can't handle it, you have no business on the road.

    1. Re:Tailgating is fine by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Informative

      As someone else pointed out, it's a form of drafting so it saves fuel.

      It only saves fuel for the person behind. It costs the person in front more fuel. If you're a team, you can save fuel overall, but drafting to save yourself fuel at the cost of some stranger's is being an asshole, and a dangerous asshole to boot.

      Plus, sometimes, if you're trying to help somebody out, you come at their bumper from an angle and then just a light tap and you slide into the lane. You spin the other guy out, and it he's any good, he can probably avoid hitting anything deadly.

      WTF? "Helping" somebody out by making them spin out while on the road at speed so he can "probably avoid hitting anything deadly"? Seems like the best way to avoid that is to not tailgate so that nobody gets hit at all! Seriously, WTF.

      It's a normal part of driving. If you can't handle it, you have no business on the road.

      No, it is not normal other than that lots of idiots like to do it. There may be some exceptional cases in which you and somebody you know agree that it is best under particular circumstances, but there is never a good reason to tailgate a stranger. If you do it "normally", you have no business on the road you dangerous moron.

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  31. Re:Tailgating by Crunchie+Frog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mod -1: Asshole. You are the problem.

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  32. My nutty idea by tkrotchko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I run into a tailgater, I (... and don't criticize me if this seems wacked out or dangerous) I pull to another lane. Then they go on by.

    And if I'm on a road that is 2 lanes, and I get a guy 2 inches from my bumper I (... get this...) I pull off the road for two seconds as soon as I can and let some other person deal with them as they rush on past..

    Seriously, I want to concentrate on driving, not whether some nutball in back of me is going to slip up and ram into me because he's got anger management issues.

    To my way of thinking, guys who slow down in front of tailgaters have the same mentality as the tailgaters, they only express it differently.

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    1. Re:My nutty idea by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, I want to concentrate on driving, not whether some nutball in back of me is going to slip up and ram into me because he's got anger management issues.

      Bingo.

      Safe driving is not just about avoiding accidents, more importantly it is about avoiding dangerous situations.

  33. Re:Tailgating by 6Yankee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ah - I usually get the bastards so close that I can't see their lights in the side mirrors!

  34. Re:Tailgating by Jerf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been doing some limited experimenting with Pavlovian conditioning.

    Basically, you tune your speed to the amount of space between you and the tailgater. You slow down until they back off (usually they do), then you speed up. You stay fast until they start tailgating you again, at which point you let off your gas.

    One key is probably not to use your brakes, which makes this too obvious. I don't really want them consciously thinking about the fact that I am actively braking. That'll just piss them off.

    I'd say this works about half the time, and probably won't trigger any road rage. But the flip side is that it does fail about 50% of the time.

    I also don't know if I'm really "conditioning" that 50% or not, but as an engineering-type I say who cares if the logic is right if it works? 50% is still an improvement over 0%.

  35. Who's the asshole? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you think all the other people behind you who weren't tailgating deserved to be punished too?

    Driving doesn't have to be about making the other fucker pay. That attitude is why I hate driving so much. It even affects me sometimes. I've had that angry feeling boil up and done stupid things several times, but I'm not proud of it. The thing I'm least proud of is the tailgater who got me so angry/scared that I popped down a gear causing him to rear-end me. Yeah, he totalled an expensive car and was 100% "at fault" but I felt kinda bad about it. I do wonder if he still tailgates so badly.

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  36. Re:Not the Tailgaters Fault by 45mm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good points. But it's not the "fast lane" ... it's the "passing lane". If you're not passing in the "passing lane", you're obstructing the right of way ... this is a traffic violation in most states, regardless of speed.

  37. Re:Tailgating by 14erCleaner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A good countermeasure that I've heard of (but haven't tried yet) is to hit your windshield washers. If they're close enough to catch the overspray it generally will clue them in to get back further.

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  38. Re:Tailgating by CrossChris · · Score: 2, Funny

    Creative application of a photo flashgun is often effective at ridding oneself of tailgaters!

  39. Re:Tailgating 18-wheelers by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tailgating an 18-wheeler is one of the safer forms of tailgating. The truck can't stop faster than your car.

    Actually, a lot of 18-wheelers can. Especially if they are not fully loaded. I don't remember what they call the brakes, but they are a different beast than on your car or air brakes like you see on a bus.

    Even if the stop should catch you off guard and you impact, it won't likely throw the truck off the road (due to mass), or your car (due to being pinned under the trailer).

    Yeah, people get killed because their car wedges itself under the trailer and cleaves the top off the passenger compartment. I think most trucks are supposed to have guards that are low enough to prevent this, specifically to prevent this from happening, but I don't think all do because I still hear about it happening from time to time.

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  40. Re:Tailgating by mordors9 · · Score: 2, Funny

    avoid them... avoid them... on a dark country road.... ya ain't from around hyar, ar ya boy?

  41. Ignorance... by ksattic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your ignorance astounds me, but I won't let it bother me. I'll exercise the right I have in Colorado to pass on the right to get past you. Many people here insist on driving in the fast lane 5-10mph below the limit because it's easier for them - they don't have to deal with people entering the highway in the right-most lane.

    Even though it may be legal in your state to drive at the speed limit in the left lane, it's not clever. If you are doing it solely to annoy other drivers, then you do not deserve to have a licence. You are a danger and a nuisance.

    To correct you, the fast lane is for overtaking, and is an additional lane to use when the others become full. That is all. You have no business being there if the other lanes to the right of you are empty.

  42. Re:Tailgating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've done this a few times. And I've been stunned by who often it is that's tailgating. Word of advice--ignore them.

    I live around Lancaster, PA. Last year, westbound on Harrisburg Pike through East Hempfield, heading toward Salunga, had this car with his high beams on just riding my bumper then backing off, so I'd get blinded, then not.

    I got pissed, figure I'm not driving the next few miles to Mount Joy this way, so I pulled off the road to let 'em pass. First time I've ever done this. Know who passed? I'm gawking at the police car that guns past.

    Had a similar thing occur on Oregon Pike/Rt 272 heading north going through Manheim Township. No back and forth by the vehicle behind, but right on my tail and acting like he's going to pass, moving to the center line. I get sick of the behavior, so I pull over to allow them to pass. It's a police vehicle.

    There are other instances (I do a lot of night driving; late work). My suspicion is that's police officers doing their night rounds will often tailgate you in order to get you to speed up. If you are on the speed limit or under it by 5 mph, the more they do so. So be careful with the fast/slow approach, esp. in states that allow VASCAR, even if you are still under the speed limit (they'll use your speed up as an excuse to get a faster mph reading).

    Also, besides the 2 experiences above, Manheim Pike/Rt72, heading north to Maheim, had a large pickup trucking blinding me. I pull over, it bullets by. I resume. Up the road, pickup lights can be seen disappearing, still pulling away. Up the road, after a bend (where the pickup's rear lights were last seen), turns out to be a speed check, pickup apparently wasn't picked up. I'm doing the speed limit the whole way, I see a vehicle rapidly approach from the side that is clearly in a rush to get behind me (late night, sort of obvious), it does and then tailgates me for 2 miles. Vehicle turns off and I confirm in my rear view--it was a police vehicle. Subcompacts/compacts/small cars are targets not only for the abusive SUVers (there are many good SUV drivers, just that they are overshadowed by the asses) but also by police (small car, probably young, targetted as less likely to lawyer up (lack of funds by you means more funds for them)).

  43. Re:Fewer tickets more Suspensions by tilandal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can take a bus, plane, taxi or just walk. Driving is not a right.

  44. Re:Not the Tailgaters Fault by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually according to the law of several states (MI, TX, and MD to my knowledge), the only APPROPRIATE speed is to go with the flow of traffic -- even if traffic is going over the speed limit! It is drastic deviations from the speed at which traffic is moving that cause the most problems. You should be going the speed limit, but if the limit is 65 and everyone else is going 90 you will only be making things worse by staying at 65. Actually, when I was in MD I travelled a stretch of highway where this was exactly the case. Nobody did less than 80 MPH, the middle lane was 90 and the left lane was for those who wanted to go fast. Sticking to the speed limit would have been insanely stupid, and any fool tootling along muttering "well I'm obeying the law" was, in fact, wrong. And dangerous.

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  45. Re:Only half of the point... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The correct answer is also (e): if you're in the fast lane, move the fuck over and get out of the way!

    At least around here, I'd say the single biggest traffic problem is caused by people forgetting this.

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  46. You're talking about modding drivers by LunaticTippy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd suggest in addition to this metamoderation. If you mod too many drivers unfairly you don't get as many mod points. Drivers with excellent "carma" could drive at +2.

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  47. Computer science meets traffic by eric.t.f.bat · · Score: 4, Funny

    The road is a bubble sort. Assholes get to bubble forward, sensible drivers pull back. This is good because, coincidentally, forward is where all the accidents are.

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  48. Re:Tailgating by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    The assholes in front of you, and the assholes behind you.

    ...and here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

  49. Re:Tailgating by StarvingSE · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Its not so much that people drive too slow, its that people like to ride their brakes, or brake for stupid fender benders on the side of the road. Try this little applet out for size to see the effects of it.

    Gawkers should have their driving privileges revoked.

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  50. Nahhh. by Bluesman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just start ticketing people who brake for no reason on the highway.

    In fact, there's hardly ever a reason to brake on the highway.

    If you have to brake on the highway, either you did something wrong, or the person ahead of you did.

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  51. Re:Not so funny as true. by dch24 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I've actually seen some good tailgater tactics that are legal (in CA...although there were no cops around). YMMV, heh.

    1. Trucker with load spotlights and an empty flatbed trailer. Tailgaters get 5,000,000 candela right in the eyes. Also works for people coming from behind with their brights on.
    2. Weave a little like a drunk driver (other posters on this thread already mentioned this one)
    3. Pop the trunk. However, your trunk should be empty, since littering is illegal.
    4. Sometimes they really get to me. Then I have a few fist-sized rocks. Roll them out the sunroof and they'll fall off the back. This is definitely illegal.
  52. Not a problem - if you are close enough by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 4, Funny

    You'll just register as one long vehicle.

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  53. Slow drivers--Know Your Surroundings! by Stiletto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm going to be the contrarian here. Most tailgaters I see (including myself, of course) have legitimate gripes. If you have nobody in front of you and a queue of cars behind you, chances are you are going too slow!

    I always try to be aware of my surroundings, including looking in the rear-view mirror. If I'm in the left lane and there is someone approaching from the rear, it's easier and safer to reserve moral judgement about their character and do the smart thing--pull to the right at the earliest possible opportunity and let him overtake me. Why can't everyone manage to do that? See, when I happen to be the one in an unusual hurry, 9 times out of 10, the guy in front of me in the left lane is totally oblivious of my presence. To wake him up, I either have to drive dangerously close, pass on the right, or hit him with a few high-beam blasts. It's a no-win situation for both of us.

    Same with a single-lane road. If you simply must drive slow and enjoy the view, have the courtesy to pull to the shoulder when people approach who actually have a destination they are looking forward to reaching.

    Sure, there's the occasional idiot who gets in the left lane and tails everybody within inches, making them all pull over one by one, but these tailgaters are in the minority.

    Please hang up the phone, be aware of your surroundings (especially the people behind you), and keep up with the flow of traffic. In short, drivers should be participants, not obstacles.

    1. Re:Slow drivers--Know Your Surroundings! by endlessoul · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's jerks like you that people hate when driving on the road.

      Flash your high beams right in someone's rear-view? That's dangerous. Drive "dangerously close"? How is that justifiable in any situation? Oh, but it's only to "wake him up".

      Try telling that to the cop that arrives on the scene of the rear-end accident that you just may have caused.

      Driving like a prick is never ok.

      That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

    2. Re:Slow drivers--Know Your Surroundings! by Zutroy+Of+Earth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll join in to say that nothing EVER justifies endangering the lives of the people in front of you! That's what you are doing when you tailgate, you leave no room for error, which can only end badly if the person in front of you needs to brake for some (hopefully) legitimate reason.

      I do agree that we all have to share the road, and that the left lane is for passing. I actually try my best to never be in a situation were someone will tailgate me when I pass (I don't do it for you, I do it for me). But on single-lane roads, I found that *whatever* the speed I drive, there is always going to be a tailgater waiting there for you. Always! Pull to the shoulder you say? That's even more dangerous most of the times! In low-traffic situations where it is not dangerous, you shouldn't have a hard time to pass me when I go the limit. Hell, I'd even slow down for you if it would help (but I know it doesn't).

      So please, respect my wish to drive the limit. You'll soon get an occasion to pass me (if you aren't one of those pansies who can't pass unless there is 10 miles of road free ahead of you), just bide your time a little. Sharing the road isn't just a mantra for those who drive slower. I feel your pain and I'll do my best within reason to let you get on your merry way.

      You know, if everyone drove the same limit, you know, a magical limit chosen by society somehow, then those problems would not arise. We could probably even cut cost on highways since we wouldn't need 4 lanes for passing cars :) .

      Z.

    3. Re:Slow drivers--Know Your Surroundings! by willpall · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Flash your high beams right in someone's rear-view? That's dangerous.

      Actually, whenever someone behind me flashes their lights, and I am in the fast lane, then I take it as a request for me to switch to a more appropriate lane and allow them to pass. A request I always honor. Someone flashing their lights is a helluva lot less rude than them hanging on my ass, and gives me an opportunity to notice them (since I obviously didn't notice them the first place).

      The problem with people on the road today is that they always ascribe the worst possible attitude to others' actions. I interpret others' actions in the politest way possible.

      And no, a quick flash of the high beams is not dangerous, c'mon.

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  54. Re:Tailgating by Ziwcam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Huh? If you want to go faster, just pass me. I'm probably already going 5-10 over the limit, but I'm only going to be in the left lane if I am passing someone, after which I will get back over to the right lane. If it's a two lane road, I can't do much to let you by, and you're just going to have to wait until traffic is clear in the other direction so you can pass. In the meantime, BACK OFF! You, my friend, are the exception, rather than the rule. After spending nearly 6 years in Germany, its so frustrating to come back here and try to drive. Its bad on the surface streets, but even worse on the highways, compared to Germany.

    In Germany, people (tend to) get over as soon as they see you behind them, especially (but not only) on the highways. And on the highways, they don't wait for you to get right behind them, THEN try to find a spot to move over. If you're zooming along at 130 mph and they're only going 100, if they haven't moved over already as they're legally required, they'll get out of the way fairly quickly as soon as they see you.

    [SIGH] I miss that place.
  55. Re:Tailgating by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did you ever notice that people driving slower than you are idiots and that people driving faster than you are maniacs?

  56. Re:Only half of the point... by adamjaskie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My reaction would be: am I in the far outside lane, which is where I should be if I am not passing? If so, I should do nothing; keep driving in the same lane and at the same speed. He can switch lanes and pass. If not, I should move over and let him pass. I should keep to the outside, as I am the slower traffic.

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  57. Re:Not the Tailgaters Fault by adamjaskie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The "slow lane" is for people who aren't actively passing people. The "fast lane" should more appropriately be called the "passing lane", and is for people who are passing. They should move over, pass, and get back into the "slow lane" until they catch up to the next person that is driving slower than them.

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  58. Fog lights == Removal of tailgaters by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One trick is to quickly brake ever so slightly and throw your rear fog lights on at the same time making it look like you've slammed your brakes on hard. That tends to sort the men from the boys.

    1. Re:Fog lights == Removal of tailgaters by JavaManJim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thats probably a common thing.

      1. I did that (once only - I'm not totally evil) several years ago on a wet road. That is tapped the brakes to light them up. The rapidly approaching small truck braked hard and the road camber (curved road surface) moved him into the ditch. What a nice surprise.

      2. Then my geology teacher came to class one day and said he tapped his brakes which sent some stupid #$% into the ditch. He was so grimly pleased I realized right there I never wanted to date his beautiful daughter (even if I could have).

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    2. Re:Fog lights == Removal of tailgaters by alshithead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I did this once. I turned on my lights while letting up on the accelerator...no braking. This made my rear running lights come on and it appeared I was braking. The car behind me nearly lost it at 65 mph. They locked up their brakes. Upon reflection I decided that I didn't want my actions to cause the death of someone else even if they were being an asshole.

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    3. Re:Fog lights == Removal of tailgaters by IDontAgreeWithYou · · Score: 2

      Similar thing happened to me, a guy was tailgating me in a snowstorm because he had an all wheel drive Subaru. I guess he's one of those geniuses who thinks that 4WD nullifies the laws of physics. Finally, he illegally passed me and about 3 other cars in front of me. About a mile up the road there was the Subaru at the bottom of a huge ditch on the side of the road. I pulled over and asked him if he was OK and if he needed a cell phone. He was fine and had a phone with him. So I told him that this was what you get when you drive like a dumbass.

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    4. Re:Fog lights == Removal of tailgaters by YomikoReadman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Negative, ghostrider. Good Samaritan laws don't require you to do anything. Their purpose is to protect you in the event that you stop to lend assistance which is within your ability to render from a civil suit following the incident.

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  59. Re:Not so funny as true. by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Also, I've seen plenty of 'weavers' turn into pacers (and stay steady with the car to the right) when they get to the front of the pack, as it seems that their biggest concern isn't keeping a good speed, but being 'first'.

    I do this (American btw), and I usually stick to the right 2 lanes to do it. My goal isn't to be first - it's to have the most options available in front of me. I don't like sitting in someones blind spot, I also don't like properly pacing my lane and getting trapped in by your "weavers".

    If being out front means having more response options available to you - then I'm out front.

  60. Re:Only half of the point... by cas_edi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most of these "Tailgaters" are tailgating ppl driving in the "passing lane". They really need to start ticketing these people then the tailgaters will not exist.
    totally agree with this - here in the UK there seems to be a serious lack of understanding about the basics of motorway driving that creates a lot of the traffic problems and road rage.
    i could go into a long rant but thought it better to share the link to the Association of British Drivers that has an excellent resource about these kind of issues: http://www.abd.org.uk/
  61. Re:Tailgating by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 3, Informative
    Gawkers should have their driving privileges revoked.

    I hear in several european countries, they bring out a big curtain to put around traffic accidents, to keep gawkers from slowing down traffic and causing a bigger mess

    Then you have really stupid people. A few years ago we had some paintings on a building by one of our highways (the kennedy expresway). I saw people stop their cars on the damn expressway, literally zero miles an hour in a traffic lane, to take a pic. The areas was close to a curve as well, so not a lot of long distance cisibility.
  62. Re:Only half of the point... by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A split-second flash of the lights is hardly blinding. I never said anything about leaving the brights on, and that's not something I do, or recommend.

    Besides, not only is the de facto speed limit the relevant one, but furthermore, people who are driving more slowly in the left lane than cars passing them in the right lane are the ones who are the issue - and I'll promise you that those drivers are doing the wrong thing, according to a very similar question from the driver's handbook.

  63. Re:Only half of the point... by arevos · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I wonder what the UK rules are when you're that person trying to overtake someone doing the speed limit.

    If they're doing the speed limit, why would you need to overtake them?

  64. Re:Tailgating by pluther · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Did you ever notice that people driving slower than you are idiots and that people driving faster than you are maniacs?

    I have noticed that.
    But, fortunately, about 99% of the people on the highway with me tend to be driving at about the same speed.

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  65. Re:Not so funny as true. by nolife · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's an idea, let the weavers assholes be themselves. Why would you purposely close the gap or actively prevent someone from getting in front of you? If you are driving too slow for them, let them be in front of you and eventually they will do it to someone else and be gone and you can go about your own business and not have to worry about them at all.
    I've often wondered why people play that gap closing game myself. If someone whats to weave in and out of traffic, let them go, as others have stated, in heavy traffic, it is not an effective means of making better progress anyway. You may feel they are being unsafe and maybe this is your chance to exercise your 4000LB weight around too as an equalizer? Closing a gap and disrupting the flow of a weavers is NOT safe either. If you want to play it safe, maintain your existing speed and gap and let the weaver go about his business. The weaver is not being as safe as he could be but closing the gap is not the safest thing you could do either.

    On that note... I live on a corner with a hidden intersection on a semi rural 2 lane state road. I see people pull out in front of cars all the time. One time a car pulled out in front of someone and that someone slammed on his brakes and laid on the horn until he came to a complete stop. After he came to a stop, he started yelling at the other person that pulled out in front of him as that person was driving by him in the other direction, the need for a complete stop was completely unnecessary. Hey, shit happens, get over it. Well now that he was at a complete stop and half way around a hidden corner and attempting to make his point known to a car that was no longer within hearing distance, he got rear ended by a third car coming up behind him on that hidden bend. Okay, technically he was not at fault because he got rear ended but his blatant actions had put himself in a very unsafe situation regardless of what the law states. I see a lot of people trying to be "safe" and educate other drivers on the road but in reality, they are being unsafe themselves. Just like the guy that hits his brakes when someone is tailing him. If you don't want to be tailed, move the hell over. I know a car is a big powerful glob of various metals and plastics but using that psychological power to force your driving ethics on others is NOT safe. Considering that the person is not going to change their habits because of your gap closing you have absolutely NOTHING to gain. Gee, I've been driving like a weaver for 20 years and today someone closed the gap on me. I learned a lesson and I am never going to be a weave again!

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  66. Re:Tailgating by Zex_Suik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Jerk, the PRIME reason you are being tailgated is because you are driving slower than them. Reasons to tailgate: --You are too slow in the fast lane (slower traffic keep right) --You are directly responsible for not allowing them to pass (rolling roadblock) --You pulled out in front of them and did not accelerate reasonably (you cut them off!) --You changed lanes in front of them without checking THEIR speed, and for no apparent reason --You are talking on your cellphone or to your passenger and have no idea what you are doing. It is not about CONTROL people, everyone wants to get to where they want to go, so just let them pass, give them some room, it's not that hard. Also do not do the +/-mph thing, use a steady rate of speed, it makes you more predictable and safer to be around. Also I live in AZ, first time I've heard of this and it is ridiculous. We have 'snow birds' here. Retirees that come here in the winter from the colder weather and our traffic is fcked up for months, it is very irritating especially when they do anything in the list above.

  67. Re:Not so funny as true. by rednip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If being out front means having more response options available to you - then I'm out front.

    Except for breaking, as all the cars are stacked up behind you, perhaps many of then tailgating each other, sure in a pile up you'd have the 'best' chance of surviving, unless a semi plows through the lot of you. Besides, we really do see you blocking up traffic, and I'll bet that you've seen more than a few people pull out in front aggressively, it's not 'random' you've pissed them off for the last 5 miles. Classic deadly Road Rage is most often a response to poor/inconsiderate driving such as yours, the left hand lane is the 'passing lane' which means one should never 'keep pace' with a car to their right. Stacking up traffic behind you is a pile-up waiting to happen, sure you 'might' not be involved, but other drivers feel this danger, and will then act aggressively against you when they can. Some fearful people cocoon to threats, others swing out in rage. Ironically, it's likely you see it as 'they did not see your car, further reinforcing your 'rule', however it's a wonder you have gotten shot yet.

    Personally, I get a little 'spooked' when some does try to pace me, in particular the 'open' highway, if something like a deer runs into the road, it likely that we'll both try to avoid it by a combination of steering and breaking, and what are the chances that we'll do that at the same pace? I try my best to stay at a steady 10 mph over, moving over to the right to let faster drivers pass, and when I know that I won't be trapped in the right hand lane. Unlike others I really don't mind someone else passing me, but if I pass them again, I try not to let them ahead of me again.

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  68. Who are all these people in your journal?!?!?! by TechnoLust · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Quickly Circle! Stop writing anything interesting!

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  69. Tailgating is NOT the problem... by The+Last+Gunslinger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...it's either idiots who were never properly instructed on driving/passing etiquette, or assholes who just refuse to get the fuck out of the way.

    Lesson 1: The leftmost lane is for passing. All those signs on the freeways that read SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT weren't painted and posted for your edification...they're the law. When you just drive along in this lane, you are just as guilty of criminal activity as someone exceeding the posted speed limit.

    Lesson 2: Someone blipping their high beams a couple times as they approach you is NOT being a prick. They're politely informing you in the most expeditious manner available (it's not like they can walk up and tap on your window, you know) that you are obstructing the flow of traffic.

    The fact that they had to flash their lights at you in the first place is a testament against you. It means that you either didn't have enough situational awareness to spot their approach before they flashed you, or that you saw them coming and (for whatever reason) you decided that you weren't going to move aside. At this point, you're looking like an idiot, or a prick, or both.

    So, what to do now? The ball is in your court...either speed up or move aside and let them pass.

    I simply cannot understand why some people refuse to yield the way. You don't get brownie points for trying to prevent other drivers from speeding. Furthermore, you have absolutely NO idea what is motivating the driver behind you...there could be a medical emergency involved, and your prissy ass might be impeding their progress to a hospital. Why take the risk to yourself, your vehicle, and possibly others' lives? If you just get the fuck out of the way already, the tailgating "problem" disappears.

    Long rant cut short: there is NO SUCH THING as a tailgater. There are only pious, self-righteous assholes who refuse to get out of the way of people who have the audacity to move faster than them.

    1. Re:Tailgating is NOT the problem... by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Excellent troll. My take is that when it comes to assigning blame for a rear end collision, the tailgater will get it. And that's really the legal definition of what is safe or not. Ultimately, if you're following someone too closely, you're putting both of you in a dangerous situation and the law recognizes that.

      Furthermore, you have absolutely NO idea what is motivating the driver behind you...there could be a medical emergency involved, and your prissy ass might be impeding their progress to a hospital. Why take the risk to yourself, your vehicle, and possibly others' lives? If you just get the fuck out of the way already, the tailgating "problem" disappears.

      If it's a medical emergency, call an ambulance. Almost always faster and safer. And you don't have to worry about some nutcase taking you out just because you tailgated them or a cop pulling you over. Also there's your hazard lights. If I saw a car zooming down the highway with their hazard lights flashing, I'd get out of the way.
  70. Re:Not so funny as true. by rednip · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would you purposely close the gap or actively prevent someone from getting in front of you

    I don't stop people from passing me altogether, but when traffic is stacked up, the space between me and the car that I am following is the minimum space I like, a nice 'safe' two car-lengths (nearly three if I'm doing over 60). You weavers seem to think that is a invitation to make my 2 car lengths of space into a half a car(or less). Tell me how that is safer? I see it as a choice between 1 car-length behind a car which I 'know' or 1/2 behind some new driver. Unless there is a pacer in front of me it doesn't last long, and most know what I'm doing. If there is a pacer, I tend to just slow down as traffic will get dangerously stacked up, sometimes I'll even consider the next exit for a stop, as pacers are the trigger for most weavers.

    Despite my best effort sometime people do get into that space and I give them the proper space require in front of me, but it slows down traffic behind me, I can't tailgate them. Sometimes they still do get ahead of me, and since my primary job is to keep myself safe, I slow down by 5 mph, what's the difference, well, times that by the number of cars which they 'force' to give space. It slows down traffic, thus making more people more aggressive, and increasing the number of weavers. Have you ever wondered why on some road traffic is either going 70 mph or crawling along: Often it's the number of people switching lanes ahead of you, and others giving them the proper space that they need to be safer.

    Perhaps your breaking reactions are perfect, and you can perfectly time a car's speed, but the rest of us have two choices, either over-break, or slam into the other car. Also, you might not realize it yet, but some people who are put in a situation where they come to fear for their lives, react aggressively. Most people who commit deadly road rage acts are not the original offender, but someone who over-reacted to what they saw as a threat to their lives, it's actually a natural human response to a threat.

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  71. Re:Tailgating by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, I haven't.

    You can drive slower than me and not be an idiot: don't hog the passing lane, don't match the speed of the drivers in the lanes who are right next to you (thus creating a wall), and be going at least 60 mph when you merge onto a freeway.

    You can drive much faster than me and not be a maniac: just take the first opportunity to go around me (I probably won't be in the left lane, or will quickly vacate it when I see your speed) rather than tailgate, and don't change lanes close enough to me such that I panic.

  72. Re:Tailgating by kd5ujz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bounce a "D" cell battery off the road, into his radiator. The road slow it down on the first bounce enough to put a nasty dent into something, if not the radiator.

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  73. Re:Tailgating by toddestan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the other hand, don't tailgate if you aren't in the passing lane (I get these morons quite a bit - I'm not in the passing lane, the passing lane can even be open, and they prefer to ride my bumper. I don't get it). If you have to be in the right hand lane because your exit is coming up, deal with it. Don't tailgate someone in the passing lane if there is another car in front of them moving at the same pace. There is nothing the car in front of you can do to move faster, and tailgating them is simply dangerous and stupid. Also, if someone is using the passing lane the way its intended, but a little slower than you would like, don't tailgate them, because they intend to move back over when they are done passing and you'll be on your way. Tailgating them just pisses them off, and accomplishes nothing.

  74. Re:Tailgating by orangeyoda · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "Bizarrely the only country I've been to that obeys the overtake-then-pull-back-in rule is France. On autoroutes it's almost suspiciously well-mannered." There's a reason behind this, on french roads the road signs are extreamly close to the junctions, along with very dangerous entry / exit ramps you have to pull back in to be able to get off the road safely, however the right hand lane is not very safe due to the junctions. Most UK / US / Germany junctions are like this

    <----/----\---< Exit ramp first , entry ramp after
    >----\----/--->

    Most french junctions are .
    <----\---/----< Entry ramp first, exit ramp after
    >----/---\---->
    So most of the time at junctions there is crossing traffic, entry trying to come onto the autoroute and traffic trying to come off the autoroute at the same time.