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Servers, Hackers, and Code In the Movies

Billosaur writes "As with anything, Hollywood has a weird way of viewing computer technology and the people who use it. To help quantify things, take a look at The Top 20 Movie Hackers, the Top Ten Movie Servers, and the things code doesn't do in real life." From the servers article: "3. UNIX environment - Jurassic Park (1993). The UNIX environment here is a classic geek joke. Everything we saw was real - created by Silicon Graphics and called IRIX. InGen was the corporation funding the island, and from an IT perspective they let the worst possible thing happen: they allowed one programmer to design the infrastructure with no supervision. What's worse, they obviously required no documentation of what was done. The result was a kid had to hack in and gain ROOT privileges. The likelihood of a young kid knowing a way to get ROOT (and not a more experienced programmer) is pretty hard to swallow. The hardware for this server was probably minimal, running door locks and starting Quicktime movies. 'We spared no expense!' You would think that with the millions of dollars they spent on the park, they could have hired a couple newbie programmers and added a server on the backend."

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  1. It's funny? Laugh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it's not funny. This sort of geek-complaining-because-it-isn't-100%-realistic crap is what gives us a bad name. No one cares about shit like this. Please stop posting meaningless "Top N" lists like this. That "Top 10 Geek Girls" article from last week was bad enough. How many decent, informative articles were rejected to make room for this dreck?

  2. MIA: by toby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. Buscemi's Seymour (Ghost World).
    2. De Niro's Harry Tuttle (in keeping with the Brazil theme posts this week).

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    1. Re:MIA: by kv9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i also can't believe they left colossus out. tsk tsk tsk.

    2. Re:MIA: by BobNET · · Score: 4, Funny

      Makes sense to me. You have to understand, that like every other being in the galaxy in the year 1996, these aliens were forced to use Windows 95. Very easy for Jeff Goldblum to hack into from his laptop.

      In fact, that's why the aliens came to Earth; they were looking for Bill Gates...

    3. Re:MIA: by Rick17JJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They also left out the Paper Man which was a good movie about hackers from 1971. That was made back before personal computers existed. In the movie a group of college students in a computer lab use a networked computer create a "paper man" and get a charge card in his name to temporarily help pay some of their bills. Somehow their paper man mysteriously seems to take on a life of his own and starts trying to kill them by causing computer controlled hardware such as elevators to malfunction. It even alters the dosage of a prescribed medication while one of them are in the hospital.

      The movie shows old computer equipment such as reel-to-reel tape and punched cards being sorted or read in machines. I really enjoyed watching it on TV back in the early 1970's and found it to be very thought provoking. I thought about the movie some more when, shortly after that, I took an introductory "Programming in Basic" class at a Junior College. We didn't have monitors in the class, so whenever we typed in a command the results would loudly and rapidly be printed out on paper on the teletype in front of us. We were we all hooked up to the DEC System 10 computer along with a few other businesses around town who also timeshared on the same computer. It reminded me somewhat of the setup in the movie. That movie is over a decade older than any other hacking movie on this list. This was back before the average person had ever heard of hacking, identity theft or networks of computers. Modern audiences probably wouldn't be as impressed because the ideas are no longer novel or mysterious.

    4. Re:MIA: by blugu64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm..hard to do anything in MacOS 9 in 1996 ;)

      (didn't come out till 1999, no I have no life)

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    5. Re:MIA: by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

      Where was Dave Bowman? How can they leave out the guy who took down HAL?

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  3. no, no they don't... by User+956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As with anything, Hollywood has a weird way of viewing computer technology and the people that use it.
    It may be weird to you or I, but Hollywood does it that way because that's how your "average joe" sees it.

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    1. Re:no, no they don't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your "average joe" sees it that way because that's the way Hollywood presents it.

    2. Re:no, no they don't... by euice · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may be weird to you or I, but Hollywood does it that way because that's how your "average joe" sees it.

      It's the other way around, the "average joe" sees it that way because of the movies.

    3. Re:no, no they don't... by IAstudent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're speaking the proverial chicken and egg here. Does "average joe" really see it that way to start out with or did Hollywood plant that image? And if the latter, isn't that just reinforcing the image that Mr. Joe and Mrs. Jane expect?

    4. Re:no, no they don't... by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It may be weird to you or I, but Hollywood does it that way because that's how your "average joe" sees it.


      No, Hollywood does it that way because it servese the interests of the plot and cinematic pacing without conflicting so much with people's experience that it breaks suspension of disbelief, not because it accurately reflects the "average joe" impression of computers.

      (Note, this also applies to general Hollywood portrayal of basically everything: physics, police procedure, military tactics, whatever.)
    5. Re:no, no they don't... by goodtim · · Score: 2, Informative

      A counter example to this list was The Matrix - Reloaded. Where a documented exploit was used to gain access to the power grid. As for how a single system was able to bring down power for an entire city - well thats touches a subject called Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

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    6. Re:no, no they don't... by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can often see that effect in news coverage of a shooting. Some earwitness will say "I didn't think it was a gunshot because it didn't sound like one"...meaning it didn't sound like a movie gun.

      rj

    7. Re:no, no they don't... by tooyoung · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I find this outlook somewhat humerous. I studied computer vision as a grad student, and yet whenever a face recognition story is posted on slashdot, sure enough, all of the +5 comments reflect Hollywood misconceptions. Digging through the articles, I generally find that people with real experience in the computer vision field have their comments relegated to a 1 status.

    8. Re:no, no they don't... by Jerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I find I'm generally happier when I consider what we see on the screen to still be a little symbolic, more like a book than a true "what a guy on the scene would see" documentary style.

      Many things make more sense that way, hacker displays are just one thing. All space combat at all ranges happens in a way to frame the combat precisely in the screen, even when there are multiple ships. Real space combat would presumably take place at even greater ranges than modern naval combat; I'll be conservative and call the zone of influence of a carrier group many tens of miles. (Depends on how you measure it, I suppose.) Yet the two space ships always approach within a few hundred meters... well, they have to or there's nothing to show. Sure, I'd pay to see a realistic movie, but it'd make Serenity look like a spectacular financial success in the general market.

      This presumably also explains why the good crew of the Enterprise misses so many point-blank visual-range shots; it's symbolic of the fact that at a few tens of kilometers it's a lot easier to miss.

      In Serenity, the scenes with the Reavers between them and the planet Miranda has to be a little symbolic, because space junk at that density would be unstable. But the real situation would be completely unfilmable, and most of the same effect can be had with a re-arrangement of the situation.

      Space combat is just one of the easier ones; a lot of things are better taken as symbolic.

      This leaves you more worried about good characters, internal consistency (even with silly rules), and other more story-related issues. Taking this viewpoint has mostly satisfied my inner geek, although he still sometimes notices things that still can't really be explained this way.

      (It probably helps that I still read and enjoy science fiction from the 1950s and back; the rules are very silly by modern physics standards, but as long as they are consistent, I still can find the stories interesting and entertaining; in fact in our zest for realism we've lost some interesting story worlds.)

    9. Re:no, no they don't... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      more like a book than a true "what a guy on the scene would see" documentary style.

      Which is interesting, because one of the strengths of books is that they aren't limited by what can be presented visually and what looks interesting that way.

      For example, I've read several sci-fi novels (Stephen Donaldson's Gap series being a favorite) that depict space combat occuring at realistic ranges -- ranges where even using light-speed weaponry it takes several minutes to reach the target. In a novel, the tension of having to wait minutes to know if you scored a hit works whereas in a movie it would be boring as hell.

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    10. Re:no, no they don't... by Jerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Part of what led me down this road was the recognition that many of my favorite science fiction novels were intrinsically unfilmable, including Dune. Well, they filmed it anyway. (I speak of the Sci-Fi miniseries, not the movie.) If you take that miniseries as theater, it actually works pretty well. If you take it as a documentary of real events, it's shit. This probably explains much of the difference in opinions it evoked, depending on how literally people took it.

      From there it's a short leap to basically taking everything as theater. I regret not thinking of this angle before I clicked "submit" on my post. :) It makes so many things more enjoyable and all it takes is a slight perspective change.

    11. Re:no, no they don't... by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Informative

      You get a similar effect, although not as pronounced, on pretty much any specialist technical subject; you see a lot of common misconceptions modded up fairly high, while some actual facts are languishing down at 1 or 2.

    12. Re:no, no they don't... by CptPicard · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok, that does it, I just modded you down!

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  4. I don't think you could fit that in Jurassic Park by iteyoidar · · Score: 3, Funny

    While I realize this list is written for folks who enjoy this kind of stuff, I don't think *anyone* would find that adding another half hour of film devoted to showing how Jurassic Park hired computer experts and documenting their security systems would benefit the movie.

  5. Maybe it's just me by porkThreeWays · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe it's just me, but I seem to find the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park a little less believable than a kid getting root.

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    1. Re:Maybe it's just me by thewils · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, Cretaceous Park more like.

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    2. Re:Maybe it's just me by espressojim · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've never had to be an admin on a Unix machine, but I've been a molecular biologist/population geneticist for 10+ years.

      Let's just say you and I are equally annoyed for completely different reasons.

    3. Re:Maybe it's just me by Saint+Lucian · · Score: 2, Informative

      First off Jurassic Park is one of favourite films, so allow me to retort.

      Myth: Dennis was the only programmer

      Dennis was the only programmer left on the Island as all the others had left for their vacation. Jurassic Park was set during a vacation period hence why there were so few people and why the load speakers were telling people they had to make it down to the ferry. Dennis had purposely waited until there was only skeleton crew as this would allow him access to the cold storage.

      Myth: The girl hacked into the system

      No. The power had been shut off then turned back on. She accessed the system as it booted up the next time. It seems that they hadn't gotten around to setting a root password yet (the place was still in development after all). All she really does is:

      1. realise that its UNIX
      2. probably touch a key and have the screen come out of power save
      3. fire up Irix's 3D file manager (maybe she pressed the up arrow and executed the last command in the shells history).
      4. start a few programs using said file manager

      All things that could be done by anyone who thinks they are a "hacker".

      Off-topic but does anybody know whether the Apple used by Dennis is running Mac OS or Apples Unix A/UX

  6. Hollywood? Not accurate? I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Funny
    I haven't been this shocked since I found out pro-wrestling was fake!

    If Hollywood isn't accurate regarding computer technology, I shudder to think what else they've depicted might be wrong. Next you're going to tell me good guys don't have unlimited ammunition, you can't trick a killer to confesing to a murder on national television, and that ugly women can't be transformed into supermodels merely by taking off their glasses!

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    1. Re:Hollywood? Not accurate? I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny
      I haven't been this shocked since I found out pro-wrestling was fake!


      I have some news for you about porn movies ...
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    2. Re:Hollywood? Not accurate? I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by sumday · · Score: 3, Funny

      this is why god created alt.binaries.erotica.voyeurism

      long live usenet

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    3. Re:Hollywood? Not accurate? I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by Rick17JJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A number of years ago, I remember seeing a movie on TV where the cockpit of a large passenger jet was totally destroyed in a mid-air collision (or was it an explosion?). The pilot and co-pilot were dead and all of the controls, instruments and radios were destroyed so there was no way for the passengers to fly the jet. Fortunately, there was a bundle of wires hanging down into the passenger compartment and there was a geek with a laptop sitting nearby. He calmly explained that all he had to do was hook the wires to his laptop computer and he would be able to fly the jet from a program on his computer. When someone questioned whether he could really do that, he explained that of course he could do that because "he was from Silicon Valley." They safely landed the jet of course. What was that stupid movie called?

      As I recall, he did not mention ever having worked with aircraft avionics equipment before, he was just an ordinary computer expert from Silicon Valley. They did not have radio contact with any experts on the ground and did not have access to any wiring diagrams or manuals. How likely is it that he would have been able grab some bundle of wires and within several hours get them hooked up and working with some program on his computer? Would those be some common type of wires using some common protocols that are well know outside the aviation industry? Perhaps he might have had to quickly use some boolean algebra to reverse engineer what the circuits were doing and then within several hours quickly write, debug and compile some C++ code and interface that with a flight simulator or game program on his computer. He is good!

      As for non-computer movies, I recall seeing one where Arnold Schwartzeneger was being chased by dozens of solders with rifles. They shoot at him for about 10 seconds with their rifles as he is running and miss. Then he suddenly turns around and kills them all in 2 seconds with his machine gun. I have never been in the military and don't know much about guns, but supposedly dozens of trained solders with rifles were almost useless against one man with a machine gun.

      As for Science fiction, I don't even know where to begin. In the old television series "Space 1999" a nuclear waste dump on the moon exploded with enough force to seen Earth's moon flying through space past a different solar system each week. The nearest star is over 4 light-years away, so the moon must have been traveling faster than the speed of light. Fortunately, the crew of the moon base survived the rapid acceleration.

      On one of the various CSI type programs on TV, a crime was recorded by a security camera. They noticed a small reflection in on of the victims pupils so they zoomed in and enhanced the picture. There was the reflection of the killers face visible in the reflection. I have zoomed in on a few digital images on my computer and the image very quickly becomes a useless collection of large individual pixels. Who has security cameras that record at that kind of resolution?

    4. Re:Hollywood? Not accurate? I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Interesting
      On one of the various CSI type programs on TV, a crime was recorded by a security camera. They noticed a small reflection in on of the victims pupils so they zoomed in and enhanced the picture. There was the reflection of the killers face visible in the reflection. I have zoomed in on a few digital images on my computer and the image very quickly becomes a useless collection of large individual pixels. Who has security cameras that record at that kind of resolution?


      This was mostly bullshit, but not total bullshit. I worked at a company a few years ago that was looking at image sequences, determining their rate of movement, and working out where the sub-pixel data went. In other words, if you captured a video of a slowly panning camera, the software could track the movement and watch how the sub-pixels changed. With that data, they could fill in the missing pixels and make a higher resolution image.

      This doesn't really make your example plausible, but I just wanted to point out that with video, you actually can pull out information even if the pixel resolution is limited.
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  7. Its not a true reflection of reality by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take Swordfish for example where he hacks into some top secret site whilst having a gun pointed at him, a gorgeous blonde giving him a blow job and Halle Berry looking on. In my entire working career that's only ever happened to me twice (ok probably cos I live so far from Halle Berry). But still.

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    1. Re:Its not a true reflection of reality by coolGuyZak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There was one part of this move that I really enjoyed: The portrayal of someone really into writing their code. When I complete a significant portion of a project, I celebrate. From time to time, I also spin around in my chair and clap my hands like an ape.

      So, I guess my point boils down to this: Jackman portrayed being a computer dork rather accurately ;)

      And I believe this even though the visualization of code was entirely unrealistic. Aside: That gives me an idea... Someone should write a program that has the little blocks fall into place as a project compiles. It would be useless, but so is xeyes.

  8. They forgot the earth! by zeromorph · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They forgot the earth in the server list!

    I always loved that turn in the HHGG. I still think it's a brilliant idea to think of the earth as a huge supercomputer to calculate the question to the answer "42" - and thus to actually formulate the question about life, the universe and everything - I think it's much more interesting than the Matrix version where the earth/reality just isn't the reality.

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  9. Re:It's funny? Laugh? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ever watched E.R. with a doctor? This is hardly a computer geek specific trait.

    There's nothing unusual about someone with knowledge in a specialized field finding the Hollywood portrayal of that field amusing. Because they are, 95% of the time, wrong and 50% of the time they're wrong enough for it to be funny to the person who knows better.

    "I know this! This is UNIX!" is funny as shit. Okay, it's not funny at all to non-computer-geeks, but neither are the Hollywood gaffs that doctors, lawyers, auto mechanics, and ninja assassins find amusing to people not in those fields.

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  10. Actually by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they do that because it is quicker. Actual computer work is boring as hell to watch in a movie.

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  11. Slashdotted -here's the list by joe_bruin · · Score: 2, Informative

    20. Jack Stanfield, Firewall (2006)
    firewalljack_stanfield_400
    19. J-Bone, Johnny Mnemonic (1995)
    jbone
    18. Lazlo Hollyfeld, Real Genius (1985)
    lazlo
    17. Wyatt Donnelly, Weird Science (1985)
    wyatt
    16. Milo Hoffman, Antirust (2001)
    milo_400
    15. Dennis Nedry, Jurassic Park (1993)
    nedry
    14. Gus Gorman, Superman III (1983)
    gus_400
    13. Kevin Mitnick, Takedown (2000)
    mitnick
    12. Boris Grishenko, Goldeneye (1995)
    borisgrishenko
    11. John 'Captain Crunch' Draper, Pirates of Silicon Valley (1999)
    crunch
    10. Michael Bolton & Samir Nagheenanajar, Office Space (1999)
    michaelsamir
    9. Theodore Donald 'Rat' Finch, The Core (2003)
    rat
    8. The Puppet Master, Ghost In The Shell (1995)
    puppet_master
    7. Stanley Jobson, Swordfish (2001)
    swordfish_400
    6. Jobe Smith, Lawnmower Man (1992)
    jobe
    5. Kevin Flynn, Tron (1982)
    flynn
    4. David Lightman, WarGames (1983)
    wargames
    3. Dade 'Crash Override' Murphy, Hackers (1995)
    crash
    2. Martin Bishop, Sneakers (1992)
    bishop
    1. Thomas 'Neo' Anderson, The Matrix (1999)
    neo

  12. Re:That fake computer sound! by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd kill to have a program that makes terminal output sound like it does in the movies!

        Yes. Then you'd very quickly be snuffed out by everyone who has to be anywhere near you.

  13. My favorite bit by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Was Barnard Hughes as the I/O port in TRON (systems programming as allegory, all "Through the Looking Glass") all covered with patches and patches and patches so that he was literally an imobile tower... Somebody who got it wrote that scene.

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  14. They weren't paying attention to Jurassic Park by iabervon · · Score: 5, Informative

    The screenshot for Jurassic Park looks like a normal Irix screen. But what anybody who actually watched that part of the movie noticed was that the screen in the movie was some weird flying-through-a-virtual-reality-landscape thing, which the kid immediately recognized as UNIX. Almost everybody with actual UNIX experience just laughed at that, because it was classic a Hollywood computer representation. Except that it really was Irix, but running a window manager only available to people whose UNIX system had superfluous accelerated 3D graphics in 1995 (i.e., movie CG folks). What the audience couldn't see, but the kid would have been able to, was that the landscape had, written on the ground, things like "sbin" and "usr", clear signs of a UNIX system of some sort. As for breaking in, when dinosaurs are taking over your facility, chances are you aren't patching sendmail every day. And, in '95, that would have been a problem.

    1. Re:They weren't paying attention to Jurassic Park by houghi · · Score: 5, Informative

      That program does exist. It is called "3D File System Navigator for IRIX 4.0.1+"
      More information on this page

      Similar systemes do exist like the linux clone called fsv

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    2. Re:They weren't paying attention to Jurassic Park by peragrin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um that's an IRIX file manager. Data information is displayed as 3D images with file size representing hieght.

      Look it up. it was pretty cool but ultimately not very useful. You can download the source code and port it if you would like.

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    3. Re:They weren't paying attention to Jurassic Park by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The OP did a poor job of expressing himself, but you are, in fact, agreeing with him.

  15. I want one of those monitors... by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... that projects the back-to-front green text onto the face of the user.

    Oh, and the image processing software that takes a poor quality security camera image, and 'enhances' it so you can see the villains face reflected in the sunglasses of the victim.

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    1. Re:I want one of those monitors... by MoralHazard · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...image processing software that takes a poor quality security camera image, and 'enhances' it so you can see the villains face reflected in the sunglasses of the victim...

      While your point is well-made (I love the CSI episode where they "rotate" the security camera still to see the front of the guy's face, when the camera caught him from the back), you'd be surprised what can be done with heavy math and a LOT of processing power to improve the quality of digital images.

      Depending on the type of images (stills versus video), and whether compression has been used, it's potentially possible to extract more information from the datastream than was intended. There's a neat trick that can be used on video, where the algorithm enhances one frame by analyzing the preceding and succeeding frames, recognizing the actual objects in the picture. It combines several seconds' worth of video information to provide a much clearer image of what's in a single frame. Of course, this doesn't always work, it depends on what you have to work with.

      A guy I sometimes work with got hold of a cellphone camera video, shot freehand during a demonstration in New York City, of some cops pulling people down and roughing them up. Because of the crappy camera work, and the fact that the cellphone was such a horrible source, and the video had been compressed to hell, it wasn't possible initially to make out the faces of the cops or protesters. After tweaking the algorithm parameters and running the original stream through a LOT of processing, he had the video clear enough to identify most of the people present, AND read an officer's badge number.

      This was originally prompted by the cops charging the protesters with resisting arrest and assult, all of which were thrown out of court for other reasons. But a couple of people won civil suits against the city on account of the video enhancement, and I think at least one cop lost his job.

      I love telling people this story when they complain that higher math is useless except in theoretical physics. Power to the people, man!

    2. Re:I want one of those monitors... by flamingnight · · Score: 2, Informative

      [OT]
      Was that at the RNC in 2004? I used my video tape to get BS charges against myself (and possibly a few others arrested in Times Square) dropped. Hell, my ACLU lawyer didn't even have to show up in court. I just had the tape in my hands.

    3. Re:I want one of those monitors... by MoralHazard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yep. I was amazed by how fast the cops and the city backed off from the bullshit charges, when they realized how extensively people had documented the actual goings-on. When I started getting calls from friends to help get bail money together, I was pretty worried about some of the folks that I knew had been popped, but it mostly turned out fine in the end. The cops weren't even that rough--only a few serious injuries, most of the physical incidents just left bruises. I didn't know anybody in Times Square, though--I heard that was worse than around MSG and in the village.

      I've always said, the cops are effective not because of guns and uniforms, but because of their radios--you're never just messing with one cop, there are always dozens just a call for backup away. Now, we have the civilian answer to that: a population armed with cellphone camera and other hand-held video, waaay to many to just smash and ignore.

      And honestly, I think that anything that makes the cops think twice about busting heads is better for them, too, in the long run. People are more likely to support the police and cooperate with them if they perceive cops as good guys, a point that seems lost on many in the American law-enforcement community.

    4. Re:I want one of those monitors... by Tim+Browse · · Score: 5, Funny

      I love the CSI episode where they "rotate" the security camera still to see the front of the guy's face, when the camera caught him from the back

      Sounds like Enemy of the State.

      I often think in CSI that they should have a 'Bullshit Lab'. I mean they have a DNA lab, a Fingerprint lab, a Trace Analysis lab, a Ballistics lab. Wouldn't that be a great ace in the hole the next time Grisson or Horatio is up against it? "Ok, people, we need to take it to the next level. Let's go to the Bullshit lab." Then they march in to watch some totally made-up 3D animation of victims bouncing off walls and cars and the tech guy says "Here's that bullshit you wanted, guys!" and hands them the retina scan from a reflection of someone's face from a car mirror taken by some ATM cctv footage, and it has the eye colour right and everything.

      Case solved!

    5. Re:I want one of those monitors... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was amazed by how fast the cops and the city backed off from the bullshit charges, when they realized how extensively people had documented the actual goings-on.

      I tend to think that they would have backed off anyway, maybe framing it as a show of mercy or something along those lines. The reason being that the cops' bosses got what they wanted - freedom of expression was successfully restricted. The event was over, so no point it dwelling on it. The sooner the whole thing was swept under the rug the less likely someone with a high enough profile might start asking questions.

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  16. Re:Programmers don't do 1&0's?? by finiteSet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    movl (%esp),%eax # Load NPX control word.
    andl $0xfffff2ff,%eax # Set rounding mode to nearest.
    orl $0x00000200,%eax # Set precision to 64 bits. (53-bit mantissa)
    pushl %eax
    fldcw (%esp) # Recover modes.
    popl %eax
    is not binary. Writing something that is easily translated to machine code is not the same as writing machine code.

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  17. The same goes for Legal shows by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 4, Informative

    IANAL but I do provide IT support to a few firms.

    You never, ever, see any paperwork, stacks of document boxes or any case files being used in any legal shows.

    They make it seem(Especially in Boston Legal) that the defendant or plaintif just tells the attourneys their problem and then just go to court and argue it.

    1. Re:The same goes for Legal shows by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've always wondered what the patients on House think when they get the bill afterward? I mean every show has the same formula:
      1. Patient gets sick with some obscure condition.
      2. Doctor 1 orders standard stuff, it doesn't work/makes it worse
      3. Doctor 2 orders some obscure test
      4. Doctor 3 orders an MRI
      5. Doctor 2 orders another weird test
      6. House has some drama with his own life/leg/whatever
      7. Doctor 4 makes some final off the wall test, and decides on a rather extreme course of action
      8. House jumps in at the last minute and explains how all they needed was an aspirin

      I mean what HMO would authorize that crazy list of tests? You gotta figure these people get back and have enormous hospital bills.

      I watched it for awhile with my wife and the first few shows were interesting, but then the whole "House is a jerk" angle got kinda stale and I didn't really have any hope of trying to figure out the medical mysteries when half of the stuff they say sounds like it came from the medical version of the Star Trek Technobabble generator.

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    2. Re:The same goes for Legal shows by Nutty_Irishman · · Score: 2, Informative

      This isn't true for Law and Order. At one of the top 10 law schools in the nation, law students watch law and order specifically to try and pick out parts that are not factual. It turns into a study guide for them as the writers actually took their time and made the law in the episodes as factual as possible.

  18. Re:WOPR...all those blinking lights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It wasn't like there was a 300 baud modem hanging off the back of WOPR - the army guy asks how the attack happened and the techie replies "he got into our network through a dial up at one of our remote facilities" - or something to that effect.

    They go on to mention that this had now been diabled and wouldn't happen again. From that point on, it's WOPR phoning David back to continue the "game".

  19. The Mac in Indepedence Day by cgreuter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Indepence Day has flaws--many, many, many flaws--but the whole virus-on-a-Mac is not one of them. What Jeff Goldblum's character did was standard cross-platform development. He wrote the virus on his Mac, compiled it to an EvilAlienOS binary and uploaded it via the EvilAlienNetwork port on the captured spaceship.

    This is more or less exactly what you'd do if you were developing for, say, an embedded microcontroller. The host computer doesn't need to be compatible with the target.

    If you want to quibble, you could ask where he got the EvilAlienOS programmer's reference manual or the EvilAlienCPU's architecture description or how he managed to find an exploitable vulnerability in EvilAlienOS so quickly. But enough about the frickin' Mac, okay?

    1. Re:The Mac in Indepedence Day by weston · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you want to quibble, you could ask where he got the EvilAlienOS programmer's reference manual or the EvilAlienCPU's architecture description or how he managed to find an exploitable vulnerability in EvilAlienOS so quickly.

      EvilAlienOS is actually Windows95, which they, like everybody else in the universe, were forced to install on their hardware by Microsfot.

      This is actually the reason they invaded in the first place.

      Fortunately, once Jeff Goldblum figured this out, finding an exploitable vulnerability wasn't a problem.

    2. Re:The Mac in Indepedence Day by Kaenneth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the implication in the movie, is that technologies from the recovered craft were recreated, and marketed as products.

      Perhaps that is exactly what would be intended, the aliens send a craft specifically to be captured, allow the civilization to become dependant on that set of technologies, then swoop in and take over (using human made communication satelites, etc.) Since the target would be using systems effecivly designed by the attacker, they don't stand a chance.

  20. Ugh by Kabuthunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This reminds me quite thoroughly of how movies depict video games as well. No matter what game, what system... most of the time, it's nothing but beeps and blips... usually not coinciding in the least with button-pushes on the controller.

    Hell, half the time I recognize what game they're playing from a quick glimpse of it, and I'm thinking to myself "Oh come ON! I know that part, and there's nothing even CLOSE to those sounds there."

    According to Hollywood... video games as well are stuck in the 80's.

    HEY HOLLYWOOD! Move up another 20 someodd years, and you might stop parents from buying horrible crap games for kids, because then they might have a vague idea of what's good or current!

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  21. Overlooked 'The Net' by cgreuter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm surprised that The Net didn't make it onto the list. After all, this is the movie where the bad guys kill a guy by hacking into the computer controlling his car's anti-lock brakes.

    Really.

  22. Re:That fake computer sound! by rutwms · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'd kill to have a program that makes terminal output sound like it does in the movies!

    From the beep man page (in Debian):

    When using -c mode, I recommend using a short -D, and a shorter -l, so that the beeps don't blur together. Something like this will get you a cheesy 1970's style beep-as-you-type-each-letter effect

    cat file | beep -c -f 400 -D 50 -l 10
  23. DARE make a "true" hacker movie! by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let's even ignore for a moment the fact that real hacking is boring to look at. What's interesting for Joe Average to watch a guy live on Chips and Jolt for hours and days while typing cryptic commands?

    Imagine someone actually did a "true" hacker movie. Let's imagine a documentary. A "show hack" if you want, where someone who really knows what he's doing is giving us a 90 minute rundown of a hack. Using real tools, trying real exploits. How long do you think 'til certain three letter orgs step in and round up everyone who had even remotely anything to do with it?

    Hacking isn't a funny game anymore. As more information and money is dealt through electronic channels, the stakes rose considerably. Hacking is a business, more than it ever was. And it has become a problem to the powers that be, more than it ever was.

    Movies already tell BS in certain other areas, for example when it comes to chemicals used in bombs or how certain tools can be (ab)used to cause havoc, just to deter wannabe copycats. You think anyone would be allowed to do a "true" hacker movie in this climate?

    Besides, nobody would want to watch it. Except maybe geeks, but you can hardly make a blockbuster that way. I mean, when was the last time your computer blew up due to a botched hack? See? No explosions, no gunfights, not interesting.

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  24. Mice? by finiteSet · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Regarding the "things code doesn't do in real life" list, am I the only one who spit out my coffee upon reading:

    9. People who write code use mice
    According to Hollywood most programmers haven't discovered how to use a mouse. Sure, we type fast, but a mouse is a very useful tool and there's no reason we'd abandon it.
    I can code for hours without touching the mouse. What purpose does a mouse serve when writing code? What does it provide that a keyboard doesn't? This isn't photo-editing or game-playing we're talking about, it's coding.

    The only benefit I could see would be for cut-and-paste purposes, but even then a couple quick keystrokes in a good editor will do the trick faster.
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    1. Re:Mice? by Thyamine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I use my mouse all the time while coding, seeing as most applications these days are GUI driven. Either in my dev environment, or while testing the application itself. I can't recall the last time I coded for hours straight and then finally thought 'Hey I should compile and debug this application '. The web applications even more so, since I don't see a need to try and navigate web pages with my keyboard alone (unless you are testing for accessibility needs).

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    2. Re:Mice? by Kingrames · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Computer? HellOOOO, Computer!"
        - Montgomery Scott, Star Trek IV: The One With the Whales

      (It's actually subtitled "The Voyage Home" but admit it, you remember it as that too)

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  25. Actually, I have. by Version6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It may be true that, in the present day, no one codes in binary, but I have. On a machine with bit variable instruction length! Also in octal, hexadecimal and even (a very tiny bit) decimal on an old IBM 1620. (You could actually load data and instructions into memory by typing digits on the IBM Executive-style typewriter console.)

    Most of my binary etc. code was patched into previously compiled program images which couldn't be recreated from source for some reason, but a small amount was entered through the switch panel of what were then called mini-computers, including the DEC PDP-8 and PDP-11 and the HP2116 (both A and B).

    At the time (70s and early 80s), this wasn't even especially unusual.

  26. Grandma's Boy has unrealistic game testers... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    In the six years that I worked as lead game tester in the video game industry, I had never gotten drunk, stoned, titted or laid because of my job. "Grandma's Boy" is such an unrealistic movie that I laughed all the way through.

  27. I feel old... by AWhistler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I read the list about things code doesn't do in real life. The one about text not making noise when it is typed on the keyboard struck me that the one making the list is just a kid. Anyone who has used a real VT100 terminal, or a clone of such (remember Wyse terminals???) had a keyboard with a very quiet touch...so quiet that people were uneasy about typing on it, so they added an artificial key click on the keyboard, with a volume control. Every key pressed made a very short beep, at the same time it appeared on the screen.

    And the part about the Gibson in Hackers being a 3D city and having a problem with it just means this guy has no imagination. Anyone remember the movie Disclosure? There was a "cutting edge" operating system being rumored to be developed in real life that was a 3D world that people walked around in and interacted with files, etc in a virtual reality. That metaphor was used in several movies. How else can non-geeks understand anything about what we geeks do without clear visuals? It's called artistic license.

    What bothered be about movies is when they substitute one thing for another. For example, in Tron, when Flynn gets "lasered" back into the real world, the printer starts printing. The printer was a daisy-wheel printer, and it made sounds like a dot matrix printer.

    Oh well. Lighten up!

  28. The window manager is real by Shadow-isoHunt · · Score: 3, Informative

    The window manager showed in Jurrasic Park is actually real, it's fsn. There's a linux port, fsv at sourceforge. As you'll notice, the view does make it possible to tell that you're in a *nix enviornment.

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  29. IRIX got a bad rap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only security problem IRIX suffered from was that it was too easy to use. And that led to a lot of users successfully using such systems, but not having the background to keep them up to date and patched. It's much what we see with Windows today, although Windows has an arguably horrible security model to begin with. At least IRIX was based upon the far more reliable UNIX model.

    Most of the security issues with IRIX systems were due to ancient versions of various HTTP, FTP and mail server software being used in production environments. As would be expected, such software did have security holes, those holes were well-known, and thus they could be easily exploited. IRIX often got the blame for problems with software that wasn't even developed at SGI.

  30. Re:It's funny? Laugh? by IdolizingStewie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And obviously nobody wants to watch a real hacker sit and type code that doesn't look like it's doing anything. The point was simply that anything is going to look more realistic in Hollywood when you're not familiar with the field, but once you get into something you recognize, you can see that they decided using something easy to film and interesting was more important than realism.

  31. But other than that... by kosty · · Score: 2, Funny

    The likelihood of a young kid knowing a way to get ROOT (and not a more experienced programmer) is pretty hard to swallow. But other than that the movie was pretty realistic!
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  32. Re:Personal Favorites by toleraen · · Score: 2, Funny

    My personal favorite was in a CSI episode: A guy took a photo, but the tip of his finger got in the picture...so they figured ohh wtf, lets lift a print from this scanned 3x5" photo that's been through a fire!

  33. To whoever posted this stowy . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . . When you were gwowing up, didn't you notice that anything was possibwe in cawtoons? Do you weawwy think Howwywood movie diwectors ow pwoducers awe any diffewent? It isn't weawity, you know?

    Oh, BTW, that weminds me . . . I went out hunting this weekend and the stwangest thing happened. Weww, I saw this wabbit, you see. So, I chased him down and he wan and jumped into this howe in the gwound. I said, "I'm gonna get you, you wascawy wabbit!!". You wouldn't bewieve what he did!! He jumped out of the howe, gwabbed my big, fat cheeks and kissed me wight on the mowth!! Then he jumped up again, spinning in a compwete bwur at about a thousand times a second, to which, at his apex he jack-knifed and did a Gweg Wouganis-style dive, wight back into the howe. So I stuck my double-bawwel shotgun in the howe and said, "Now, I've got you, wabbit!!". Suddenwy, I fewt a tun on my gun, and befowe I know it I was in a tug-of-waw with him. He yanked and I yanked back. Yank . . . yank. . . yank, . . . back and fowrth. When I finawwy puwwed my gun out, it was tied in a knot!! As a wast wesowt, I puwwed the twigger and bwew my own face owff. That was the wast time I went wabbit hunting.

    Now, I just wook fowawd to duck season. If that doesn't wowk out, I'ww just take up painting.

  34. #9 Yeah right by uchihalush · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd also like to say that not all programmers are hot-pocket eating virgins who play WoW. Some of us exercise and have active social lives. Some have even had SEX! Holy Crap! He's not fooling anyone
  35. Something he missed. by ArcherB · · Score: 3, Funny

    All hardware is compatible.

    I remember watching "The Lone Gunman" one day (thank God that show didn't make it!) and they needed more processing power to crack a password to take over a hijacked plane. "We could do this if had one of those new Octium 4's!" Well, they get one, right before the plane hits the building, they pull out their existing processor and drop in the Octium 4 (without so much as powering the machine off) and BAM! They had their password and saved the plane. (Oh, and no processors had any type of thermal anything!)

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  36. Not even 50% realistic by The+Monster · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I wouldn't mind so much if it were 90% realistic, but it isn't even close. And it affects people when they actually try to use computers.

    I work in Level 2 tech support. I occasionally have other techs ask me to help them figure out why they can't mount a CD on a customer's server they're dialed into. I always start by asking them to check with the customer to see if the CD is in the drive SHINY SIDE DOWN. You'd be surprised how often the disk is upside down in the drive. I don't blame the non-techies, when every single TV show or movie that shows someone using a computer's {C|DV}D drive shows it shiny side up.

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  37. Re:Programmers don't do 1&0's?? by Faylone · · Score: 3, Funny

    Uphill both ways in the snow?

  38. terminator kicked ass with COBOL by kpharmer · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know, the first language I learned way back when was COBOL. I didn't love it much, but that's only because nobody ever told me that you could create a Terminator with it!

    Of course, even as a junior programmer I probably would have been sharp enough to send information directly to the brain on the cyborg rather than just doing a printout to the eye. But you know how it goes - machine generated code is always crap.

    1. Re:terminator kicked ass with COBOL by Woldry · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, the first language I learned way back when was COBOL.

      Wow. That's way cool. My parents only spoke English. ;-)

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  39. ENJOY and EMBRACE the fiction by CrudPuppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    as a senior unix admin, I gotta say I personally enjoy the mystique surrounding our profession, especially that of the hardcore sysadmin. if they wanna think that it takes some uber-genius to be a sysadmin, and therefore keep our pay up in the ranks, let em! I may even buy a skateboard and hold onto limos while I intercept garbage files on a floppy from the teenager who just rooted my Sun e25k. heh.

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  40. Musical Instruments by Slurgi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No matter what your area of expertise, you'll find flaws whenever a Hollywood screenplay tries to mimic whatever it is that real people do for a living, or even hobbies for that matter. As a guitar player, I find 90% of the instances when Joe-famous is playing guitar to be utterly hilarious. I'm surprised that even the audience can't tell that the actor obviously isn't playing what's being portrayed on the screen, but that's probably because I'm the only one paying attention. I'm sure Doctors, Lawyers, etc. all find movies portraying their profession to be as ridiculous as us software folks do.

  41. Forbidden Planet by nsaspook · · Score: 2, Informative

    The most powerful server was also the most dangerous. The 50 mile by 50 mile computer complex on "Forbidden Planet". The server could create anything a mind could think of. Even monsters from a Disney movie.

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  42. Re:It's funny? Laugh? by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...and ninja assassins find amusing to people not in those fields.

    While I am not a Ninja Assasin, I am a Unix admin, and I did laugh at "I know this!". But in the same vien, I have studied martial arts for years, and whenever I see a swordfight, in a movie, it drives me insane.

    The next time you watch a swordfight in a movie, watch where the swords are being swung. Most of the time, if the opponent just dropped their sword to the floor, the attacking swing would miss completely. In hollywood, they swing the swords at the other swords - blade to blade - instead of trying to actually hit the other guy.

    That drives me nuts.
    (Still working on the Ninja Assasin bit though...)

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  43. Re:The blip noise by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Informative

    A statement:

    I am a sound designer and a programmer. I have on many occasions intentionally, even without being asked, cut "blip" sound effects for code scrolling across a screen -- not just code, but any sort of stdout/text output/situational awareness display.

    I do not do it because I'm stupid, or am trying to dumb down the audience, it for a few specific reasons:

    • There are several storytelling conventions in cinema, namely, computers make beeping noises when their graphics change. Though most computers don't now, they used to, and the convention was started around the time Robert Redford was passionately waiting for a teletype to emit an important bit of data.
    • Aside from the computer convention, there is the strong convention of providing a sound effect for any physical change that occurs on screen that humans cannot account for with alpha, beta or delta motion (see phi phenomenon for a discussion of how humans interpret 2-dimensional images). "See a sound, hear a sound" is the first commandment of sound effects.
    • Along these lines, I could show you footage of a computer screen and give you nothing but a fan whirr, and you'd be bored and immediately looking around the room, and the sound helps keep your attention on the data on screen. This is important, since computer displays often are bearing an embarrasing amount of exposition. Sound is like control characters in ASCII: it's out of band and can do magical things to your "session" (in the broadest sense of the word).

    We put blips on a computer screen for the same reason ipods chirp when you press a button. Psychology.

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  44. should make a list of things software doesn't do by Punto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    like infinite resolution (can you enhance that?), or clients that pull every available record on the database from the server and flash them on the screen while searching for dna/fingerprints/faces (no wonder they constantly complain about the network and servers being slow on 24).

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  45. Re:It's funny? Laugh? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Informative

    The next time you watch a swordfight in a movie, watch where the swords are being swung. Most of the time, if the opponent just dropped their sword to the floor, the attacking swing would miss completely. In hollywood, they swing the swords at the other swords - blade to blade - instead of trying to actually hit the other guy.

    A very noteable exception -- or maybe not since it isn't Hollywood but what you're saying is common of action movies from everywhere -- being The Seven Samurai. Everyone who uses a sword in that movie uses it to kill, and as a result most sword fights are one or two strokes long. While lacking the acrobatic beauty of a good ten-minute lightsaber duel, it did have a gritty reality that just felt right.

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  46. Re:It's funny? Laugh? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Funny

    Try being a firearms afficionado and watching some action movies.

    Like when Neo is going akimbo with 22. caliber pistols and .223 caliber brass is hitting the ground?

    Or when someone is firing shots from a semiauto pistol while the slide is locked open.

    Or when someone tries to fire an empty semiauto pistol and the slide didn't lock open after the last bullet or it has locked open and yet there is still the sound of a hammer falling.

    Or when someone fires 10 shots from a .357 magnum revolver?

    Or when someone assembles a rifle out of a case and hits a bullseye from 400 yards away.

    Or when someone rapid fires a bolt-action rifle.

    LK

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  47. Re:I don't think you could fit that in Jurassic Pa by DavidTC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm always vaguely confused by the Jurassic Park complaints. The Jurassic Park movie had almost nothing wrong with its presentation of computers or technology in general. (I'm not including the sci-fi cloning in that. I'm sure there were problems with that.)

    First of all, yes, that's a real Unix system. A very stupid one, but a real one.

    Secondly, the system was crap. And the point is?

    It's a very badly designed system. It was designed by one person, and it's not finished. No one was trained in it yet, and the only person who understands it dies early, and it was sabotaged. Of course you have crazy stuff like not automatically switching the power over or the fences going down.

    I mean, yeah, some stuff was slightly improbable, but it's the kinda shit that actually does happen in emergency situations, at least the first time...you discover that, hey, the damn generator didn't come on line or that the carefully constructed key-card security system is not, apparently, on the battery backups This is why you don't test with live data, or, in this case, live dinosaurs.

    Again, unfinished, crappy system. Sorta like the actual park itself, when you think about it. Remember it was being worked on by someone who, at least for a short period of time, knew he was going to fleeing his job with a boatload of money for selling them out, and ask yourself if you think he really was working on fixing bugs during that time?

    About the only thing I actually have issues with is the 'We can't get a phone line out' plot. But I guess, logically, those couldn't be 'real' phone lines, it's not like the phone company ran lines to the island. No, they have a sat or underwater cable connection with somewhere, and a PBX, and Nedry screwed up the PBX, and they don't know what the hell they'll talking about, all they know is they can't get a dial tone.

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  48. Re:The blip noise by fireboy1919 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are several storytelling conventions in cinema, namely, computers make beeping noises when their graphics change. Though most computers don't now, they used to, and the convention was started around the time

    At the time of that movie, most computers didn't have the ability to make sounds at all, and even fewer had graphics. It was all text and more text. I'm sure that there was a traceable moment when someone thought of doing that, but don't think that it's a reflection of reality.

    These little "helpers" have been around for a lot longer than computers. There was a time that most plays ended with the gods coming out and making everything better. Like Deus Ex Machina, It's a crutch to support a bad design - like the non-instantaneous phone-tracing, and having the characters think aloud as a form of exposition. Realism is part of good story-telling, and all these things take away more than they add. There are other ways of doing it.

    Along these lines, I could show you footage of a computer screen and give you nothing but a fan whirr, and you'd be bored and immediately looking around the room,

    Okay, so you need sound. You've got a few real ones to work with - keyboards make sound. Mice make sound. And then there's that whole "soundtrack" thing you can work with - you can time the things that are happening in the music to accentuate what's happening on the screen. I've seen quite a few movies that let the soundtrack swell as the detective surfs.

    Unlike the other unreal things I mentioned, most people have a computer, and most people know how they work. You're going to hit a lot more disbelief if you fake a computer than you are if you fake a phone trace, so it's worthwhile to get rid of that cinematic crutch.

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  50. Harry Tuttle by toby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, "heating engineer." Actually I screwed up with those suggestions, especially with Seymour, because of course they weren't computer hackers, but just geeks (for some reason I thought that page was about 20 Movie Geeks; D'oh!).

    But there were "computer hackers" in Brazil; the real hacker was Sam Lowry, who used quite a number of techniques including social engineering: "ERE I AM JH." The funnier candidate would be Harvey Lime, who had the memorable lines, "Computers... are my forte" and "I'm a bit of a whiz on that thing," but was, in the end, revealed to be computer-incompetent.

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  51. What he got wrong. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm hearing a lot of people pointing out where they've seen this list in action, where they (surprisingly) haven't, and what TFA missed -- but I don't see anyone disagreeing. I do.


    6. Code cannot be cracked by an 8 year old kid in a matter of seconds

    Depends what it is. If said 8 year old is looking at binary, hex, or moving random text, then no. But if said 8 year old is looking at a Windows 98 login screen, he might try the unthinkable and hit "cancel". Or even the esc key. I did this, and I was maybe 12 or 14 or something.


    9. People who write code use mice

    While it's true that our environments could be a little more realistic -- maybe a web browser with some documentation -- I actually don't use the mouse much while coding.


    I mean, I'm on a Mac at work, and it is kind of unusual to see a real OS in a movie, but I mostly am ssh'd in to a Linux box writing the actual code, and the Mac has a wonderful keyboard shortcut of command+left/right to switch between open terminal windows. It's not the same thing as tabs -- I can fit four 80x24 terminals (all green text on translucent black background, because I like it that way) on my screen at once. On my Linux, I have to twitch my mouse, which is annoying, even with sloppy focus.


    But yeah, as I learn more about vim, I'm learning that the keyboard is pretty much all I use when editing and testing most of my code. And it actually does look kind of like the movies -- between my vim setup, and my typing commands in, and my seeming to type insanely fast (due to tab completion), and my kernel compiles and whatever scrolling past (which I do understand some of, enough to ctrl+z it sometimes if I'm curious)...


    Which brings us to:


    1. Code does not move

    Yes and no. Code does not move, but output does. I watch logfiles with tail -f, I watch compiles (kernel and otherwise) and actually get an idea of the gist of what they're doing, I watch IRC discussions, and I watch the debugging output of my programs to get an idea of their progress.


    It's not the same as Hollywood, where code is 3D and flying all over the screen, and I'm using VR gloves to put stuff together. Snow crash had the right idea -- even when the primary computer interface is 3D, we still go to Flatland for some things, including source code.


    But, many of his points are weak, and most we've seen before. The #1 mistake I see is them dumbing down the computer stuff -- can you name a single hack that's actually been explained to you that made any real sense, without you inventing huge amounts of crap to fill the gaps?


    I mean, even classic stuff, like that grabbing-the-fractions-of-a-penny stuff? Come on, what's stopping you from just doing a debit from one account and a credit to another -- shit, what's stopping you from simply making up a bunch of deposits from cash, and claim you got it from an unnamed Swiss bank account? Or how about the "Send Spike" of Goldeneye: "It jams their modem so they can't hang up" -- well gee, if it can do that, you've already 0wned them, why not just have their box traceroute one or two hops and give you that IP, then let them hang up and trace some random server that no one cares about?

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  52. Re:Anime hackers by Lumpio- · · Score: 2, Informative

    To be honest, the anime portrayal of computers is way more accurate that in most (if not all) western movies (both animated and non-animated). Western movie makers seem to either be stuck in the green-screen age or seem to think all computers run some über-futuristic 3D-desktop environment with lots of ones and zeros floating around for no apparent reason. In (non-futuristic) anime you usually see a normal desktop ("Mindows" seems to be a common OS), no beeps as a response to every action and often they even get the details correct. If you look carefully you can see the IME and kanji conversion engines working (that's what they use to write Japanese which has about a zillion characters). If you look carefully you can see USB connectors in Chobits and perfectly valid commands to compile a program in Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu. All in all, if you compare anime and western computer-related movies, western movie makers have no idea :P