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Star Trek Legacy's Plot Left Behind on Away Mission
Much like the deleted content from KOTOR 2, Xbox 360 fanboy has word that Star Trek: Legacy's storyline has been cut as well. Derek Chester, a writer for the game, spoke up on the official boards for the game: "[Forum poster] Star Dagger is correct, a lot of what was intended was cut. From rendered cinematics and interstitial cutscenes to a great deal of backstory and events that took place between the eras to tie them together. The total portrayal of the intended story was incomplete. Dorothy and I wrote a lot for this game...but not everything made it in. As a result there may be some difficulty in following the motivations for characters or the reasons for crucial events. The story as was written, tied together a great deal of Trek history and events to make it seem more substantial than it came across in the final game."
Its the attack of the trekkies! on that note, it happens, There has to be a balance of story and pure game play, a game can only be so long,
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Sounds like we need a Director's Cut...
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...that 'Bad Strek Game' tends to be redundant these days. :-(
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It may not have the All-Star voice acting, but it is fun, and significantly more realized as a game than Star Trek: Legacy.
Blah, forget that, install a true Star Trek classic: EGATrek. Plot? PLOT? We don't need no stinkin' plot! The Klingons are invading, and it's your job to blow 'em up, in spectacular 16-color 640x350 EGA graphics. THAT'S your Plot. (Just make sure that you get the one with the real names, and not the stupid "Mongols/Vandals" version. This page has a link.)
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Bridge Commander bad, Klingon Academy good.
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I'm still waiting for Secret of Vulcan's Fury, damnit.
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They should release the full story line on some web page (either in text form, unfinished cinematic scenes, etc). It's like deleted scenes in a movie that actually do add to the movie (ex: Superman Returns special edition dvd), you can enjoy them and have a richer experience if you want it. However, the cut-story should still be made to stand on its own.
Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll leave all the half-finished stuff and voice recordings by the actors on the disc like Obsidian did in KotoR2 and an intrepid mod team can finish the game for them. You'd think they would've learned from KotoR2 though, it's friggin Star Trek, it doesn't matter if you release it during the holidays or the middle of March, the same number of Trekkies are going to buy it regardless. And more people are likely to buy it if they believe it's finished.
For the true classic, you have to go back farther than that:
Super Star Trek.
Although it was reportedly inspired by an earlier version, it will always be the "classic version" for me, as it's one of the first computer games I ever played (the other was Colossal Cave Adventure).
Download and compile it, and experience the awe-inspiring sight of motion rendered on an 80x25 green-screen CRT!
Legacy was supposed to be released on December 5th but it sure has been hard to find. Starting on December 6th I started checking stores on a daily basis and nobody had any in stock until December 11th, at least not in Metro-Atlanta, Georgia. I can't wait to install it and play it.
Too bad about the cut story line, I like it when it seems like a movie sometimes. (Anyone remember Traffic Department 2192?)
... and in the DRM, bind them.
It's really our fault for accepting the low quality by purchasing the games. I do blame production schedules that cut corners for holidays and such. The only real way to fight it is to not purchase it and send email to production companies voicing the displeasure of inadequate games. Change starts with the consumer.
First, the link's broken due to an extra slash at the end.
Good luck finding a copy of the game. It's slightly rare, and is going for up to $70 on ebay. People are listing it on Amazon for up to $90 "Like New." There's also some kind of "Extreme 3D" version of the game, but people seem slightly reluctant to bid on it--I don't know why, but it may not use the same patches as the original or something like that.
(Although I'd like to play the game, it's not worth $70-90 to me--especially considering that there are some very disappointing cons listed in reviews.)
As a result there may be some difficulty in following the motivations for characters or the reasons for crucial events.
I've always wondered why those red shirts kept going on away missions voluntarily. I guess now we'll never know.
Having worked on a truckload of movie- and story-based video games, I'm just aghast that this happened.
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Actually, no I'm not. I've never seen a game story written during development that wasn't cut by at least 50% or more.
Part of the difficulty stems, I believe, from there being no set limit to the amount of story that a game designer / writer can script in to a game. When you are writing a movie script, you know for a fact that you have 90-120 minutes with which to tell your story, and that each page of script is approximately 1 minute of screen time. This gives you a nice natural boundary to work with.
Game scripts? Not so much. You know that the game needs to be between 10 and 40 hours long... and that most of that time will be taken up by gameplay... but there is a huge difference between a game that has 1 hour of story in it and a game that has 3 hours of story... even though the % of overall time taken up by that story is not dramatically different. So... when do you stop writing? What does a game writer limit himself to? Often, the answer is "way more than the developers can make".
Also, game story sequences are remarkably difficult to actually construct and build in realtime 3D. Constructing in-game cinematics is hard work, there's no getting around it. This problem is only exacerbated on a movie/TV title: the audience has the quality of the show or movie to compare your in-game cinematics to, and thus the production requirements go up and up. This inevitably leads to someone (usually a producer) having to make a call (or, lots and lots of calls) between cinematic quality and story length... with predictable results.
You put all this together, and you get the story dev path of most game projects:
What you are left with is a bare skeleton of the intended story, which is often unintelligible to the viewer.
So, I say to ye old Star Trek writer guy: did more than 25% of what you wrote make it in the game? You're well ahead of many game writers. Quit cryin'.
Dude, this is /. Nobody actually expected you to buy the game.
As someone who has recently finished Star Trek: Legacy for the PC (last night, actually), I should point out that the single-player campaign itself, on the medium difficulty setting, took me in total maybe three evenings to complete. This is a ballpark estimate due to replay of certain missions. That's 12 to 15 hours.
The major hook for STL with Trekkies and sci-fi gamer officionados is that it was sold by the PR machine to be an ambitious novel-rivaling epic; An era-spanning game that charts the progress of a story from the very beginnings of Trek's Federation to the 'modern day' post-Nemesis. It featured the voice-acting talent of the five most notable captains of those eras, centered around Trek's various television shows. Yet because of time constraints (I have no proof of which, but this game WAS promised to be delivered for Trek's 40th Anniversary), It was distilled to a few evenings total gameplay. If anyone has played Star Trek: Bridge Commander, a game with not so all-encompasing a grasp as Legacy was marketed to be, I would estimate that Legacy's single-player campaign equates to roughly half of Bridge Commander's, and due to other gameplay issues which I will not go into, was half-again as immersive. Certain eras spend one mission in existence before leaping ahead with no explanation on why it was needed in the first place. And when the 'Ohhh, I get it!' moment kicks in, it's much less of a revelation and more of a sense of finally understanding a somewhat overused plot device.
The story was not the only thing cut from the game, but for some of us it's the most missed. Like the aforementioned Knights of the Old Republic 2, the clips in Legacy's in-game story leave the story feeling disjointed and incomplete. It is transparent. It is predictable, distilled to a measure to justify the next interstellar dogfight. There is no intrigue, no suspense, and honestly little replay value in going back to it as it is now. I'm speaking as an owner of the PC version, but if I were an XBox360 owner with that copy of the game I would feel even more cheated, considering..you know...the whole OMG Next-Generation Gaming thing. Legacy's reach is evocative of the Starfleet Armada era of games, not 2006's best efforts.
It was not an issue of trying to keep the game from 'being too long'. You can finish it in a day if you so wish (and yes, I understand that jives well with some of you, but in my opinion I prefer to long savor a game I've waited a year or so for, and three passive evenings just doesn't cut it). But all markers point to this project being rushed to coincide with the same year as Trek's 40th Anniversary (which they missed the original launch day for). Cuts were made to likely streamline the development cycle. Alas, you end up with watered-down Kool-Aid with a price tag of $59.99.
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Don't forget the NES game. That was sweet for it's time. Very decent sci-fi RPG.
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The best Trek game of all time has to be Netrek. Ah, the hours I wasted away in college playing that game.
It was the first graphical real-time multiuser game I played, we used to hog the few NeXT stations on campus (there were only 6, and they were the only color terminals we had outside of the craptacular Windows labs) playing that game.
Ooh, I had that game for my Processor Technology SOL-20, it was the first game software I ever purchased, that must have been around 1975. The SOL-20 version had a really clever hack, someone figured out that the S-100 bus emitted radio noise that could be picked up on a nearby AM radio, so he wrote little loops into the code so it would make phaser sounds through your radio. Unfortunately during other game play the CPU emitted a cacophony of irritating noise, so overall, it got rather tedious to listen to all that crap just for a few phaser noises.
I'm still waiting for the game run mostly on voice control, so I can shout commands at my crew or negotiate with the enemy. Starfleet Academy frustrated the heck out of me. What the heck do I have all this crew for? I'm manually adjusting every minute system on the ship!
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Another good trek game that's often overlooked: Star Trek DS9: The Fallen. I think it's about 5-6 years old now, but I still play it from time to time. Somebody just released an expansion pack for it--it's called Convergence, I think. Maybe it's time to play The Fallen again.
I can guarantee you for a fact that the "extreme 3D" version has nothing to do with the game. Looks like some 3d glasses snake oil or something. There were no extra or special editions put out for the game. There was going to be a sequel, but the game didn't sell very well despite being a mild success with critics (hence the rarity today).
Great, wonderful to hear some insider news like that.
Still I've played to many games lately that are obviously rush jobs with storylines that aren't so much crafted, as they say horrible abortions that have been wall papered into the game rather then being finished.
Look at NWN2, its up to 1.03 and I'm on my 3rd play through, its only after the this patch that many of the story parts are starting to work seemingly as I'm finding out things i never knew, or saw before and because of that the games more ENTERTAINING.
Which is what I paid for.
Not hours of mindless hack and slash but an interesting storyline, hack and slash is what you do between story parts, not instead of it.
Lets look at KOTOR2, a game that was "Fun" But had gaping holes in its plot line that made no sense and lots of unresolved things that left you frustrated at the end, not to mention a cobbled together bodge job of an ending.
This is only getting worse, I'm not a trek fan, I watch the series.. I was thinking this game might be fun but to hear that its been so.. rushed makes me pause, to the point where I'm probably not going to buy it unless I see it in a bargin bin.
Disapointing Kahns? Never!
Oh wait...
It's either gonna be bethesda vs. mad doc, or customers vs. bethesda eventually leading to bethesda vs. mad doc...
There are 3 things that you don't mess with...trek fans, and trek fans hard-earned cash,oh, and trek fans that *might* be lawyers/PC gamers...
This is outright fraud on someone's(bethsoft/ mad doc) part...The thing is, how do file a grievance with the BBB over missing content in a video game?! It's almost like filing a grievance over a movie that's listed in the paper as 1.5hrs long , but it's really 1hr long...has that ever happened?!
Boggles the mind...glad I didn't pick this up, sorry to all of you that have. Bethesda has officially seen my last dime.
Quite; the look and feel is quite a bit less retarded too. Legacy feels more like a cut-down Armada (without the RTS bits) than the third-person Bridge Commander/Klingon Academy type simulator many previews liked to suggest. Instead of any semblance of control over a big capital ship, you're basically flying a slow fighter with minimal feedback, no real damage model, and in an environment who's scale is like something out of Alice in Wonderland (planets a couple of miles across, or ships a few thousand).
On the positive side, there's not much in the way of obnoxious copy protection.
If I can get a copy of a rare game for cheap(er) just because it comes bundled with some 3D glasses I'll never use, I don't really care about buying into the fake 3D garbage.
However, if it's some special or crippled edition of the game that won't run with BC mods (which are what really make the game, from what I've heard) or BC patches, then I wouldn't touch it.
I really don't feel like paying $50 only to find out that I've got some hamstrung copy of the game and have to pay $70 to get a real copy--and I can't seem to find any resources that talk about this "Extreme 3D" version of the game. One Ebay listing suggested that 3D rendering required an nVidia chipset, which would be a showstopper for me since I have an ATI/AMD--but is that _all_ 3D rendering or just their whiz-bang depth 3D?
The Dorothy mentioned in the forum post is DC Fontana who wrote for the original Star Trek, Star Trek Animated Seris, Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Star Trek Books, etc.
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Or maybe we won't, given ESRB's policy as clarified.
Netrek is the best of all time...except for MTrek. Also a realtime, multiuser space combat game, MTrek had more and varied ship types, a universe with character, and was in 3-D. And it was much nerdier. Lacking graphics, objects in MTrek were described with 3-D vectors.
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Better than EGATrek is VTREK. Google for it. Runs well in 'dosbox'.
I spent more time playing it than all other Star Trek games combined.
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