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Microsoft Formally Releases Robotics Software
futuresheet writes "Microsoft formally released its robotics software yesterday, giving would-be robot builders a new tool to make them do the things they do. The license for the software is $399, and the 'standard' Pioneer P3DX robot that's made for home use is $40,000. Just the same, if you want to give it a try, it is downloadable for free for non-commercial use, and includes a simulator to try things out on your computer." From the article: "It represents a new effort for the company that has Chairman Bill Gates raving about potential growth in a robotics industry that's already worth an estimated $11 billion a year or more. '[A]s I look at the trends that are now starting to converge, I can envision a future in which robotic devices will become a nearly ubiquitous part of our day-to-day lives,' Gates writes in the January issue of Scientific American. Microsoft is not making robots. Its Robotics Studio is software designed to program the devices to collect data from an array of sensors and perform all manner of functions."
I for one welcome our new BSoD robot overlords.
And to think I had thought this would all start with Skynet...
.. making robot software easyier to use, and free for non commercial use , with emulator, is a pretty damn good thing.
I look forwrd to going home and downloading this.
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Are the robots shaped like lucee liu?
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You're telling me that this is made for home use [bucknell.edu]? What is it supposed to do at my house? I used them for my robotics class in college and I wasn't too impressed.
It's made for Bill Gate's mansion, where the walls are so far apart the robot can crash and reboot at full speed and still have time to stop before hitting one. In a normal, not-for-ultrabillionaire houses such as yours or mine, there's always the Roomba, which incidentally can be hacked to work with Linux...
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Your MS hate is misplaced in this case.
And while there have books that tell stories where robots are part of our everyday lives, it's just now looking like it is actual feasable.
If MS cameout with an intersteller star ship tomorrow, people like you would bitch that this idea has been around for decades, and that it's not new.
Oh, and robots becoming part of are everyday lives does n't mean a person robotic man servant. It could be many small purposes devices that work in a mesh that store information that it uses to be predictive. Much better then the robots in I, Robot, IMHO.
That said, because if MS's history, I always keep a wary eye on what they do and how the implement stuff. I also hate Vista's EULA, and CTCP. SO I am not a MS fanboy by a long shot.
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We can all see where this will lead...
Quick! Someone call James Tiberius Kirk - computer killer extraordinaire!!!
Here's a link to the video introduction. http://msdn.microsoft.com/robotics/media/MSRS_Intr oToSim_300K.wvx
the line you quote from the parent only shows that the parent has absolutly NO imagination at all.
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I guess it's now time to invest in robot insurance...
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Wonderful, Now with our new Microsoft enhanced robotic devices, We can use our production line for sending out email marketing materials, and when we get the latest Eastern European "Software" Through our email, we can bring our entire production to a halt instead of just the office computers.
I cant wait. It will be great.
Gate's Laws of Robotics (shamelessly stolen from a past /. post)
1) A robot may not use a non-Microsoft product or through inaction,
allow a human being to use a non-Microsoft product.
2) A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such
orders would conflict with the First Law.
3) A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection
does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
...when you complete your 50m tall Gundam, complete the programming with Robotics Studio, and on the 30th day, you realize that you forgot to activate it using a Genuine MS key...
The last thing I need is a 50m mobile suit pissed at me for pirating software...
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Now do you see? This is why the MS icon has been kept. Bill's not Borg, he's just very enthusiastic about this platform;-)
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Well, the story certainly isn't. Some relevant info from the article:
It's just a misleading headline - I don't think that even Microsoft would suggest that a $40k robot is for home use. Ignoring the submission and going by the article, though, this program looks like it's actually a good thing, especially since the $399 license is only for commercial applications.
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Does the software have a InitiateChairTossingDiatribe function available?
Looks like somebody woke up on the wrong side of the rock
... but that's easy. People have been doing that for years. Parallax, MIT's BOTboard, etc.) This is a prototyping environment whose resulting code can be directly used in your robotic project. It's a step forward in integration, and quite slick in my humble opinion.
But in all seriousness even the free package is pretty awesome. You can do time-domain rigid-body simulation at your computer, before building your robot to spec. This isn't just software to control a robot (it is that, too
From an older article which shows Microsoft's intentions:
Apparently this is now part of a larger strategy to create more University level students accustomed to using and developing proprietary software. "They have decided that the best way to increase enrollment is to work with universities to incorporate robotics and computer games into the computer science curriculum as class projects where students can exercise their technical skills." The robotics and computer games would be developed using various Microsoft proprietary software tools instead of the currently preferred Open Source/Free software tools.
This must be how skynet starts.
That would explain how Skynet was never able to kill a waitress and why it was never smart enough to try and kill that waitress when she was 1 month old.
So much for the anti microsoft tone in all these responses. None of them deails about potential of this stuff, what about a next SDK for this for visual studio hm hint hint... So for the command type people: Hey did anyone got a CRT tube, some linux folks using a command line are trying to make their own version. Actualy there are now running multible sub versions all over the place and they all only listen to typed commands and none of them knows what actualy rules the world, so they started fighting each other. We had to call in an MS version as it was the only one who could deal with all the different protocols and could understand human language. hehehehe ( $$$$$ evil grin $$$$$ ) Not that much fiction in here btw.
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I guess the MS Barney robot software was "informal"?
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
"It looks like you're trying to open a jar of pickles. Would you like Microsoft Robot to: 1) Open the jar for you; 2) Merely loosen the jar, leaving final jar configuration details to you; 3) Try a different jar; 4) Install Micrsoft Deli, with pickle support?"
Butlerian Jihad, here we come...
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Try some of the resources on the web. The leaf project uses Windows, but is open... as in no cost
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/leaf_an_AI_rob
From the group site:
Description
Leaf is a robot inspired by the computer game Creatures. One of our members began to develop a desktop simulation of one of these AI creatures called Norns. This particular critter was called Leaf. We decided that Leaf needed a physical body (i.e. robot). This forum is for the design/discussion and kibitzing of the build process. All are welcome to participate.
This is an open source project; both for hardware and software designs. Our goal is to provide all the information necessary for others to get started building their own robots. Please read the Open Source notice in the Introduction under "Files" before contributing a hardware design or software code to this project.
For much more information about the Leaf robots, see his website at http://leafproject.org./
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If MS cameout with an intersteller star ship tomorrow, people like you would bitch that this idea has been around for decades, and that it's not new.
What does that have to do with anything? MS won't. They can't. Your point is so hypothetical it has nothing to do with reality. A lot of the complaining about MS is because they don't innovate. The come out with things everyone else has done, then make it sound important because they're doing it. This is just another example. There's a lot of FOSS robot software out, now MS does it and acts like it's new. The day MS comes out with interstellar travel is the day that there are already a dozen ships on the market that can do it better.
That said, because if MS's history, I always keep a wary eye on what they do and how the implement stuff. I also hate Vista's EULA, and CTCP. SO I am not a MS fanboy by a long shot.
If you have to prove you aren't, then you are.
Just in time for my Robonukah vacation.
Time to build my coin melting robot!
Rossum: http://rossum.sourceforge.net/, Lejos: http://lejos.sourceforge.net/, and many others.
Personally the thought of little Redmondiods running around BSODing is very disturbing.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
400$ or free. When it's for a 40000$ robot, does it matter anymore? If the software is good (good quality, saves time, performs well, not buggy, etc), I'd go for it. If you can afford 40000, you can afford 40400$ too...
Either ways, I'm using atmel MCUs for all my robotics projects. I'm considering using AVR32 or DSPICs sometime soon (ARM may be fine, but I've never tried it - might be too much of a learning curve). Cheap, and does what I need it to. Surely, that's not what industrial robots use nowadays (we programmed them in karel back when I was into it), but I can make something under 40000$!
The /. blurb mentions a 40K robot "for home use" but according to the links on the M$ website there are plenty of other compatible robots, like the LEGO Mindstorms which has a MSRP of a mere US$ 249.99. With these kind of prices, I think this might be a fun hobby to get the kids into...
Who remembers the Heathkit HERO robots of the early 80's?? It was a little pricey but it was WAY under the $40k M$ wants.. Man, I wanted one sooooo bad. Those were really cool. Shame that Heathkit went under, they had some great stuff. I guess people don't care about building projects anymore, look at Rat Smack, they went from a hobbyist supply center to a bling-bling store.
Anyway, I would be afraid to let a machine that can move about, grasp objects and runs M$
to roam my house while I'm sleeping. I can just imagine waking up to a "sick" robot wielding a hockey mask and a butcher knife standing over me..
If I had the brains to build a robot, there is simply NO WAY I would use Microsoft software to run it. There are any number of reasons to avoid MS software, as seen from other MS software in the past. Microsoft's DRM, DCMA, Patents and Copyrights would limit what I could do with the robot. Not to mention Microsoft software's history of BSODs, security holes, etc.
No way.
Why for a $40k robot, but not for those $1.5k to $5k Japanese robots? Not exactly affordable, but surely more so than a $40k one.
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why does this overpriced robot that it is for look awfully like the old Hero 2000 bot kit I have sitting in the basement collecting dust?
$40,000.00... It had better perform sex acts for that price.
I paid $2500.00 for my HERO 2000 back when they were end of production... inflation did not go that far out of control.
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What on earth is going to be in the kit that is worth $40,000?? That's insane. You can get a Programmable Logic Controller (Omron or Allen Bradley), several industrial grade servomotors or stepper motors, the motor drive unit, and a pile of sensors/buttons/actuators/etc off ebay for around $2000.
In 1991 I worked for a company that did industrial automation fabrication and build this relatively large (Around 40x30 feet of machinery) automated cutting/welding system with two MIG welders (One mounted on a track to adjust for different sizes, anywhere from 40 feet to 4 feet and accurate to 1/100th of an inch), and all the raw material handlers to feed parts into the welders, and we had MAYBE $50,000 in hardware costs.
Even a hard core GE/Fanuc industrial grade CNC control head is no more than $25,000. This thing had better have the capabilities of R2D2.
Sounds like a complete ripoff.
And every automation control system I've used, PLC or CNC, has had the development software free with the unit. Only thing you'd have to pay for was the programming console, which has since been reduced to software that runs on Windows, so needing only a serial or USB cable between the two.
Do I sound really shocked by the price? I am!
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this http://msdn.microsoft.com/robotics/getstarted/v1_
You'll see that it includes the following:
"A set of useful technology libraries services to help developers get started with writing robot applications, and tutorials which illustrate the basics of how to get started in a variety of programming languages."
Does that include functions like:
- Chair throwing
- Google bashing
- Threats of death to Eric Schmidt
Just wondering....
This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
It was irresponsible to even post something so slanted... but we should all have grown accustomed to that on Slashdot by now.
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First thing I thought of on this was a movie I just recently saw - the remake of Stepford Wives.
See IMDB -> http://imdb.com/title/tt0327162/
Anyway, the Christopher Walken character who is the main guy who converts women into robots has the name 'Mike' from where he used to work (MS). Pretty funny considering the movie itself pretty much sucks.
Robots will someday claim that parts of humans infringe on their IPs.
Robots! The thing of the future... A new tool to make us even lazier and use more power! Yahoo!
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Are we supposed to program the robot in Visual Basic?
(duck and cover)
So say we all
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(The vicar goes out sobbing. Cut to outside. Vicar collects a nude lady sitting in a supermarket shopping trolley... and wheels her disconsolately away. Cut back to inside of office. Close-up on Devious. He gets out some files and starts writing. Suddenly a bishop's crook slams down on the desk in front of Devious. He looks up - his eyes register terror. Cut to reverse angle shot from below. The bishop in full mitre and robes.)
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Oh, yeah, it's not easy to pad these out to 120 characters.
. '[A]s I look at the trends that are now starting to converge, I can envision a future in which robotic devices will become a nearly ubiquitous part of our day-to-day lives,' Gates writes in the January issue of Scientific American.
I remember a couple of years ago my drink infringed all over my computer's IC's. It was not at all happy.
Seems like we are seeing another attempt at market strangulation and repression.
To bad for him GPL'd projects are already out there.
Money is the root of all evil?
All of us that are so frustrated of MS products and drive the IT industry one way or another,
lets drive it away from these free lock-in tricks we all know sooooo well.
Or we will be getting today's windows' problems, on tommorows' robots.
No, thanx Microsoft.
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Share and enjoy...
Or, go stick your head in a pig...
Depending on how much of the slogan is visible...
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The sad part is, kids are gladly going to shell out $400 for this and spend their college years emulating it bit for bit in Linux just because it's a Microsoft product, even though you can do the same thing for under $20 with a PIC. The most loyal Microsoft fans are the Linux hackers who clone everything they produce.
I completly missed this in my first analysis but I
believe this will kickstart the new botnet revolution.
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Money is the root of all evil?
If people object to using MS-based robotics software, then let's find and/or build free alternatives. I know of one: Pyro, written in Python (which is itself free/OSS and easy to use). I haven't used it myself, but it seems to support both real robots and virtual hardware. What other systems exist?
How about building a simple I/O system ported to several languages, with a standard set of functions, suitable for commanding several brands of real robot as well as virtual models?
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I can see it now:
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Gort: Dear Aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
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The day MS markets something that doesn't suck is the day they start selling vacuum cleaners.
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And to think I had thought this would all start with Skynet...
Instead of let the destruction happen you could make it miserably fail. Skynet will be full of "useful" programs for a militar A.I. like minesweeper (Why not? WOPR plays tic-tac-toe), wordpad, Windows Media Player, outlook express and compatible Zune plugins for Internet Explorer 8. If the system don't kill itself probably a teenager script kiddie could do the work.
Welcome, and good bye, to our Ms-Skynet overlords.
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I wouldn't worry about that - after all, it's 3 laws safe.
that I will do my masters degree in this environment? I like ABB ROBOT STUDIO, but this is more general. I hope that there won't be a problem with sharing the code. This is great for robotics students/enthusiasts. Sharing is the key to growth.
I and others submitted this story to Slashdot a long time ago, but they held off 'till they could find a submitter who put a negative enough spin on it. I took a few obligatory shots in hops of getting my submission accepted, but the idea of making it sound like a $40,000 robot was required to use the platform never even crossed my feeble little mind.
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Yep! I remember the HERO1 robot! When I was in grade school, I eyed one in a Heathkit catalog, and immediately wanted it. (I vaguely recall it selling for somewhere around the $7000-8000 price range in the early 80's?) I also recall that the arm on the top of it was sold as an option, costing a considerable amount extra.
e x.html) They STILL make it, apparently!
One guy I knew in grade school told me his brother's school actually purchased a HERO1 robot, and they learned to do some simple programming of it in one of their classes.
I also remember a competing product, the RB5X. (Found info on it here: http://www.robotswanted.com/robotgallery/rb5x/ind
One Xmas, my mom took me to a local department store called Goldie's (long since gone out of business), and they had an RB5X wheeling around the store, telling people "Merry Christmas!" and offering to take your picture with a Polaroid camera. I thought that was the coolest thing!
... Microsoft has informed the SEC of its intentions to change its name to the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.
National Instruments LabVIEW has been de facto standard in automation programming. If you want to play with robotics seriously, you should try out LabVIEW rather than this MS prototype. I tried this MS Visual Programming Language that ships with MS Robotic Studio. It was slow, unintuitive, hard and slow to develop and only had very restricted set of ready-made functionality available. LabVIEW on the other hand is an integrated cross-platform development environment with 20-year history. You can program both desktop computers and various real-time hardware environments with the same language and same development environment. Of course not all functionality is available for real-time targets and dedicated FPGA chips as these only have limited functionality. The downside of LabVIEW is that it's not free but rather expensive. The language is also strictly closed source and National Instruments has been very strict not to release any source code for the runtime environment. Academica can get LabVIEW for reasonable price, for industry prices are rather high.
For more information on LabVIEW see official website and LabVIEW forum LAVA. LabVIEW Toolkit for LEGO® MINDSTORMS® NXT is available for free download (but you need LabVIEW to run it).
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Microsoft Formally Releases Robotics Software
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I actually tried out this software - it gathers an incredible amount of data about the surrounding environment, then discards it and drives into walls.
I think it would make more sense to break this down a little;
I'd say the "Robots" in I-Robot are more in the Android class -- they replace or duplicate human functionality.
A General Purpose robot, is one that can navigate and be given different tasks. An advanced robot would be able to deal with new information.
The "Rooma" is sort of between a general purpose and an assembly robot since it has to navigate.
An Assembly Robot, which can work perfectly for years, has a fixed domain and task, generally doing something like putting a tire on a hub, over and over again, or spot welds at the exact same predictable point. Even Legos can function well to do repetitive tasks.
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Microsoft is good a making announcements, the real problem is in delivering products they've promised.
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In Soviet America robots control you!
neat... kind of make the lego stuff seem like a toy... wait a minute..
Good to know you aren't a really a VB(.NET) programmer, or you'd know that the new keyword doesn't belong there! Also, that would be a Sub not a Function unless you specify a return type.
Shit, I think I just revealed what I do for a living these days. I swear, I don't use that language for anything else! Please don't kill me!
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Fucking.
Way.
No. No. No. I can't even say it enough times, no. There's no way that's the 40 thousand dollar robot. Period. Just no. I don't care what instruments it has, I don't care if there's an unreleased 4GHz Alpha with DDR2 in that thing, Just N-O no.
It's been a long time.
Buying a premade robot requires no imagination at all. Making your own, now that's where you need a bit of imagination, and where you can exercise some.
:P
Hey, I made my Power Destructitron X. I could've mounted it on some wheels if I cared to, but I didn't.
It's been a long time.
He didn't. You're illiterate. You should probably kill yourself now to protect the honour of your bloodline from the shame of your existance.
It's been a long time.
Mod me down for obvious.
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Upon visual contact with a Linux machine, the robot shifts to battle mode, sreaming:
EXTERMINATE!, EXTERMINATE!
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Who ever wrote this article sure chose his words to make it sound expensive. He made it sound as if you have to buy that Pioneer robot for $40,000 in order to use it.
That's simply not the case. You can develop for a wide range of robots with this from the Parallax Boe-Bot, Lego Mindstorm NXT and Roomba all the way up to those expensive robots for $40,000 or more. You can even build it for custom robots based on little pics like the BASIC Stamp computer and others similar to it.
The beauty of this package is that you can program it visually (using the Visual Programming Langauage) or in C# or VB - depending on your skill level.
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You're right; the cost of a DX is $4,000, not $40,000.
It was a mistake... MobileRobots' P3Dx is $4,000... not $40,000.