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Mandatory DRM for Podcasts Proposed

Knytefall writes "Joe Biden, Dianne Feinstein, and two GOP senators are sponsoring a bill called the PERFORM Act that would require podcasts with music and satellite radio to be locked-up with music industry-approved DRM software. From the article: 'All audio services — Webcasters included — would be obligated to implement "reasonably available and economically reasonable" copy-protection technology aimed at preventing "music theft" and restricting automatic recording.'"

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  1. Completely ludicrous by jasonwea · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have not read the act itself but the TFA (and summary) is worded in such a way that implies that it applies across the board regardless; whether the content is free or not. What about all those podcasts with 100% legal content? Music from the podsafe music network or other Creative Commons licensed work for instance?

    Implement a DRM system but do not force us to use it. I would much prefer the RIAA simply not license content to DRM free broadcasts and sue those who don't have a license.

    Requiring DRM by law for all statutory licensed work is massive overkill.

    1. Re:Completely ludicrous by garcia · · Score: 5, Funny

      They are talking about XM radios that allow you to record the content. Are they going to demand that all audio recording devices use DRM to disable people from recording and redistributing this content? This is nothing more than a direct protection of the RIAA cronies by the government to try and hassle Sat radio.

      Fuck, we should really mandate all line-in, cassette recorders, and DAT recorders have this technology retroactively installed. We wouldn't want this precious content being recorded by those means!

      Report for retroactive DRM installation immediately!

    2. Re:Completely ludicrous by Itchyeyes · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At minimum proposals like this should be struck down for their extreme short-sightedness. Patent and copyright law exist to foster innovation and reward people for producing new works. Instead, laws like this merely protect the entrenched powers from having to do just that. This bill serves as an example of just how corrupt (or ignorant, pick one) its backers are. This law does nothing to protect the will of the people, nor does it advance any sort of greater good for society. Rather it promotes the interests of a specific group of businesses at the expense of everyone else. This is not democracy.

    3. Re:Completely ludicrous by pete6677 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Will it also become illegal for a band to freely distribute music on their own website? Or even to have a free concert? Its about the same damn thing. Why should anyone be required to lock up their own broadcast if they don't want to?

    4. Re:Completely ludicrous by melikamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My head starts spinning when I'm trying to understand how this applies to copyleft. The only fitting scheme I can think of is ROT13 applied twice:

      "You have unlimited rights to record, copy and/or shift the format of the streaming media. Our DRM system will ensure that no single user will be able to perform these functions more than infinity times. If, for example, you make an infinite number of copies, the playback feature for the media may become disabled."

      Uh... DRM never looked so good.

    5. Re:Completely ludicrous by antarctican · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, if they're really serious about this, they have to somehow block people from, as you say, recording and re-distributing. So, what they should be asking for is funds to research how to DRM compression waves (i.e., sound waves).

      Well it seems the logical way of implementing such a scheme is direct implants in to everyone's ear drums. If the implant detects any illegal music or noise, your ears turn off.

      That'd certainly make electronics manufacturing simpler. The next phase could be for ocular implants.

    6. Re:Completely ludicrous by sowth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually they've been trying to implement an uncrackable watermarking system which would flag restricted music, then they wanted to mandate all recording devices and computers everywere detect these watermarks (at an increased expense in terms of cost for hardware and/or processing time--scanning all audio data is not free). It was called SMDI. Didn't really fly: first off, Professor Ed Felton showed he could easily crack the watermarking. Second, the bills which would've enforced things like the mandatory watermark detection (such as the SSSCA --info at EFF) caused a huge uproar. I think the MPAA also wanted it for video too.

      I mean those systems could cause major problems. Just imagine if you are filming your best friend's wedding, some joker walks by with his jukebox--maybe not even audiable enough for you to notice, but loud enough for the system to detect it, and the watermarking causes your camera to stop recording. Let's say you lose the "I do" part. That could really happen.

      From what I understand, banks and national treasuries have convinced some software and hardware developers to detect watermarking for photographic things. Such as Photoshop and printer drivers and such. Some printers also create a fingerprint so supposedly the secret service (or whatever agency controls currency fraud in your country) can trace the printed paper back to who printed it.

    7. Re:Completely ludicrous by dustman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just imagine if you are filming your best friend's wedding, some joker walks by with his jukebox--maybe not even audiable enough for you to notice, but loud enough for the system to detect it, and the watermarking causes your camera to stop recording.

      If the camera had stopped recording, My best friend's wedding would have been much improved.

    8. Re:Completely ludicrous by Nethead · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, to disable the cameras at the next bank I hold up.....

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  2. underground by celardore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's just stick to streaming audio, or even downloadable mp3s. You don't have to "podcast" to be heard. There are other alternatives.

    1. Re:underground by DJCacophony · · Score: 5, Informative

      The PERFORM Act will require streaming radio to be DRM'd, too. In fact that's really what it applies to - the fact that it might affect podcasting is just a side effect.

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    2. Re:underground by DJCacophony · · Score: 5, Informative

      Now that I RTFA, it doesn't even mention podcasts - not even a passing reference. Why did the submitter even mention them? "Mandatory DRM for streaming radio proposed" would be a more accurate headline.

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  3. copyleft? by User+956 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article: 'All audio services -- Webcasters included -- would be obligated to implement "reasonably available and economically reasonable" copy-protection technology aimed at preventing "music theft" and restricting automatic recording.'"

    What about copyleft-licensed broadcasts? You can't "steal" something that's free.

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    1. Re:copyleft? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Welcome to my podcast.
      "Before getting to the music, you have to listen to this GPL license.

      *mad llama rant*

      "If you do not agree to the license, please stop the tape and listen to something else instead.

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  4. Don't they by ericdano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't they have something better to do? How about funding our troops? Working out a resolution with Iran? etc etc.

    Damn. Feinstein needs to be doing stuff for me, a Californian. I want her to get us off of using Oil, not worrying about Podcasts.

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    1. Re:Don't they by rossz · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've made it a standard practice to vote for whomever is running against Feinstein. I can't stand that bitch. In fact, I'd vote for a hard core communist if he ran against her. At least the commie would be honest about what he is, unlike Feinstein who pretends to have our best interest at heart, but is obviously bought and paid for by several special interest groups (the RIAA being one of them).

      The basic problem with California is it's about equally divided between ultra-left and moderate/right. The left being concentrated in the big cities (San Francisco, Los Angeles, etc), and the right spread out across the rest of the state. The ultra-left usually has a slight edge when it comes to votes. I'd love for us to elect a couple of moderate demos OR republicans. Either is good, so long as they are moderate.

      Oh, and someone please do us a favor and nuke Berkeley into a glass parking lot. I used to go there all the time to visit a certain book store (Another Change of Hobbit), but I avoid the place now as I end up wanting to beat the crap out of far too many assholes hanging out in the streets there.

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    2. Re:Don't they by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Damn. Feinstein needs to be doing stuff for me, a Californian.
      A lot of music and entertainment industry execs are Californians, too. And they have more money than you do...
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    3. Re:Don't they by WebCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Feinstein needs to be doing stuff for me, a Californian. I want her to get us off of using Oil, not worrying about Podcasts.

      Unfortunately for you, a good number of big-time entertainment execs and mega-superstar performers are also Californians. Such people don't truly give a rat's arse about oil dependency--they are very much a self-interested lot and care very dearly about being able to make their Ferarri payments using income from Podcasts. Also, unfortunately for you, they can donate (or withhold for that matter) much larger campaign contributions.

      Until there is some meaningful campaign and lobby reform in the US, voters shouldn't worry about a pregnant-chad-laden paper cards or the touch screens on a glitchy computer terminals...because the REAL US election ballot is the dollar bill.

  5. The REAL Reason behind DRM'd Podcasts... by andrewd18 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I get it... By making everyone use DRM on their podcasts, each terrorist will have to legitimately purchase Osama Bin Laden's podcasts off of iTunes, thus driving up the price of terrorism!

    Brilliant!

  6. Why call out only the Democrats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Joe Biden, Dianne Feinstein, and two GOP senators

    The "two GOP senators" are Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.).

    1. Re:Why call out only the Democrats? by exploder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because you expect it from the Republicans.

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  7. Copying music is not theft by njchick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here goes my support for Joe Biden in the Democratic primaries.

    1. Re:Copying music is not theft by wordsnyc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Joe Biden? The senator from MBNA? The lowlife scumbag who pushed through the "bankruptcy reform act" and fought to prevent caps on the interest card companies could charge? The guy who's never met a bank or payday lender he didn't want to help to screw the consumer? You were going to vote for that turd?

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  8. Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by MarkPNeyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who voted for democrats thinking liberty would be restored should take notice. Only Libertarians truly stand for constitutionally protected freedoms!

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    1. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by flaming+error · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once officials are elected, they do not protect freedoms; they protect their jobs.

      Party ideologies quickly go out the window, as we witnessed with the Republicans supersizing gov't with runaway deficit spending. The main differences between political parties are the differences in who funds them. And the bulk of the money comes from wealthy commercial interests who fund incumbents, regardless of party.

      If you manage to get a majority of any non-Republicrats in power, you'll learn that within a term or two the system corrupts even them.

    2. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who voted for democrats thinking liberty would be restored should take notice. Only Libertarians truly stand for constitutionally protected freedoms!

      Libertarians only stand for what Libertarians think of as "freedom", which is generally on the opposite side of common sense (like selling off the national parks, as one small example). It'd also be nice if the Libertarian party read the Ninth Amendment some time.

      The simple fact is that there is no party in the United States with moderate balances of individual liberty, reasonable and restrained government services, low taxes, business growth, and strong defense. It simply doesn't exist.

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    3. Re:Thank God The Democrats Are Here to Protect US by Procyon101 · · Score: 3, Funny

      If we got the government out of marriage, what would the mainstream parties have to fight about at the expense of the gays?!? Common sense only leads to having to focus on real problems, and no one wants that!

  9. Idiots by scdeimos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The bill is meant to secure music libraries and broadcasts, but there's nothing there about exclusions for educational (non-music) streams and podcasts like JapanesePod101.com. They also go on to say this:

    The bill also contains language to make sure that consumers' current recording habits are not inhibited.

    Ok then, what the hell is DRM if it's not inhibiting the consumers' recording habits??

  10. My rights : Your rights by robyannetta · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This act must be stopped NOW.

    I'm an independent filmmaker who releases all my movies under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 2.5 License that allows anyone to freely copy, distribute, display, and perform my work.

    This pro **AA act could be the nail in the coffin for not only the Creative Commons, but MY freedom as an artist.

    I admit I am Anti-DRM, but there's two sides to every viewpoint. When big business wants to trample on MY rights, they'll trample on yours next. Call your House and Congressional representatives immediately to stop allowing big business interests to stomp on the rights of the actual artist.

    Although my rant here is over, I won't quit until this legislation is dropped in a hole, set aflame and then buried.

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  11. DRM doesn't work by User+956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DRM doesn't work. I would ask, "when will they get it?", but it's pretty clear that they do "get it". Look at the recent crack of HD-DVD protection. That's the best they have, and it's already cracked. They know full well any DRM they put out there is not a deterrent against piracy, which means their goal with DRM is clearly to control legal activity.

    When it comes down to it, DRM is not intended to control piracy. It's intended to maintain **AA stranglehold over the market, to be used as a cudgel against hardware manufacturers, and to be used as a way to extract money, justified or otherwise, from the content-buying public.

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    1. Re:DRM doesn't work by ^_^x · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Luckily for consumers though, almost every time, they opt for a small decryption key or a weak encryption algorithm since stronger encryption tends to mean increased processor and memory usage or the need for specialized hardware - and as cheap as that is, it adds up on millions+ of systems. ...so we get flimsy DRM that can be popped off trivially, and the R&D on this insufficient scrambling is wasted. There's no danger in explaining it like this either since they KNOW this, but don't want to bump the cost up (even if it were more expensive, it's not that simple - on portables like MP3 players it could even mean shorter battery life! haha...) So for the time being, I'll try to fight the DRM they do choose to use, but overall I just laugh at it since a "fix" is always available in very short order. Usually +/- a couple weeks of its commercial debut. :)

  12. Ill tell you why they are proposing this ; by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they dont want webcasters, citizen journalists to broadcast the shit politicans and their big-money backers pull around. so that it can be good old 1950s again

  13. Feinstein PERFORM/DRM/DMCA form letters by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 3, Informative

    Feinstein clearly does not understand that the point of the copyright allowed in the constitution was to promote progress, not to protect rich corporations. She is clearly more of a Republican in this area. Here are some form letter responses that her office sends to complaints.

    Feinstein responds with a form letter about the PERFORM DRM act:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=193819&cid=158 92380

    And the same response to someone else:
    http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/congressman-resp onds-to-perform-act-dispute.html (scroll down)

    Feinstein response with a form letter about the DMCA:
    http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=21099&cid= 2234915

    "....
    If you have other questions or comments, please do not
    hesitate to write to me again, or contact my Washington, D.C. staff
    at (202) 224-3841."

  14. What's that Spell? by sweatyboatman · · Score: 4, Funny

    The PERFORM Act, or the "Platform Equality and Remedies for Rights Holders in Music Act," Um... I believe that's the PERRHM Act. Not as catchy, although cat lovers might take to it. The proposed legislation makes zero sense so therefore the acronym makes zero sense. Why have an acronym? Call it the Eliminate Free Internet Radio Act. Or just Yet Another Gift to Our Large and All-Powerful Contributors Act.

    Sigh.

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  15. Hollywood's Influence by mpapet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Funny how this is being introduced now.

    An incredible coincidence that the Democrats control the Senate and House now. ("control" being very loosley defined in the sentence)

    Sad, especially since the legions of /. won't lift a finger to slow this one down. This is one of those times I wish you all would.

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  16. my letter to Senator Feinstein by robtow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used the form interface on Senator Feinstein's website to post the following letter to her concerning PERFORM:

    Senator Feinstein,

    I continue to oppose your misguided attempts to impose draconian digital rights management on consumer electronics.

    The so-called PERFORM act will put the government in the business of mandating technology, and instituting what amounts to price controls on media distribution, and will prevent important technological and social innovation that increases the agency of the mass public, and will instead further entrench dangerous media consolidation in our republic.

    The so-called rights of big media are a creation of 20th century technology, and did not exist before centralized mass production instrumentalities utilizing expensive technologies out of the reach of the people were invented by technologists such as Thomas Edison and Philo Farnsworth. Newer technologies now are changing the means of production and distribution, and make these "rights" as appropriate as the "rights" of 18th century Russian noblemen to own their landed serfs. Importantly, the new technologies of the PC and the Web are cheap, fast, and decentralized, and allow the people to re-assert democracy rather than passively consume the "Spectacle" offered by Fox and other media conglomerates.

    The copyright and patent clause in the Constitution has been warped out of recognition by Congress passing such laws as the Sonny Bono act of 1998 in response to the corrupting influence of campaign financing on the part of members of the RIAA and MPAA. Current law bears no resemblance to the intent and practice of the founders. Your quotes of the Constitution in response to my previous two letters to you on this subject are dissembling, at best.

    Although I am a "liberal", I will vote for an opponent of yours who opposes DRM in the next election.

    Please change your position, so that I may support you in the future.

    Robert Tow

  17. Nobody did by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least, nobody I know. I voted Democratic to have Congress run in opposition to the President.

    The machine works best at a standstill, IMHO.

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  18. Bass Ackwards? by scottsk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why must the entire nation implement DRM, anyway? If the RIAA members don't want their stuff broadcast for fear of piracy, why don't they simply withdraw it and not allow it to be broadcast? Anything you publish is out there for pirates. This makes absolutely no sense. If piracy is a problem, the members of the RIAA should simply not put it on the airwaves. It's their content. Why should every free broadcaster have to deal with a layer of useless DRM? How could it be enforced, anyway? If some university doesn't DRM their creative commons lectures, the government is going to do what to them?

  19. What were we supposed to do in November? by Myria · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live (and vote) in California. What were we supposed to do in November? These were our choices:

    - Richard Mountjoy, a far right Christian with all the usual values.
    - Diane Feinstein, a bleeding-heart liberal who is a bought and paid member of the mafiaa *.

    A lose-lose situation. I voted for technofascism over theocracy.

    * To avoid a slander lawsuit, I note that the misspelling of "mafia" with an additional "a" is intentional and is a known term on this discussion forum. It does not mean the Cosa Nostra.

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  20. The Abuse of Private Power? by weston · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only Libertarians truly stand for constitutionally protected freedom

    Libertarians (at least, your traditional anarchocapitalist) also have their problems, often including a rather large blind spot towards the abuse of private power and some seriously inconsistent views regarding the trustworthiness thereof and the strength of the profit incentive.

    Not that I don't think it might do us some good to turn the entire Democratic and Republican parties out of office for a term or two, and I agree with the libertarians that civic power presents the problem of misuse. But a vacuum leaves only private power to protect from other private power, and once collusion sets in, the problem becomes nearly intractable, and freedom is again lost. The alternative -- having a democratic republic where civic power is accountable to the citizenry -- also has flaws, mainly that it's only as good as the citizenry attempts to keep it, but it's more easily subject to change when the citizenry chooses.

  21. Think Backwards by Beer_Smurf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is about killing the advantage of unsigned bands selling their own MP3s.

  22. OK thats easy... by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Funny

    >> would be obligated to implement "reasonably available and economically reasonable" copy-protection technology aimed at preventing "music theft.

    I propose ROT-13. Its free and easily available.

  23. Technically no, practically maybe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    What about all those podcasts with 100% legal content?

    They are not affected. If you own the copyright, or get explicit permission from the copyright holder, you can do whatever you want, or they allow. However, working out licencing deals with potentially thousands of copyright holders is impractical, and therefore in order to to make radio feasible congress created an exception to normal copyright law called a statutory license, which basically says that can broadcast any song you want without negotiating a license, if you pay a broadcast fee to a regulatory group, who then "fairly" distributes the money - see section 114(d) of the copyright law.

    I would much prefer the RIAA simply not license content to DRM free broadcasts and sue those who don't have a license.

    But see that is the whole point - with statutory licensing the RIAA doesn't have a choice - the license is required by the law, hence the word statutory. They cannot block radio stations from playing their music as long as the stations are paying the appropriate fees, and following other applicable laws.

    Ever since the internet came into existance, the major labels have been doing everything they can to keep internet radio impractical including convincing congress to make the statutory licenses fees for online broadcast fairly hefty and apply per-listener, which makes them financially infeasable. Because of this, all of the major successfull online radio stations have forgone statutory licensing, opting instead to make deals with the major 3, thus giving the RIAA far greater influence in how the station is run (including what codec are allowed).

    There is one other caveat I should mention. Even if you are playing only free music you need to keep good records of all the songs played, and documentation of the licenses of those songs in case you ever get sued. Remember - civil court cases have a weaker burden of proof, and in the past online radio stations playing only free music have been shutdown because they could not provide reasonably supported argument that they did not play the plantiff's music.

    pavon - at work and forgot my password.
  24. Of Mozart, Allegri and the Miserere by Evil+Pete · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Suddenly reminded of the story of Mozart and the Miserere. The Miserere, a choral piece of exceptional beauty, was written around 1630 by Allegri. The Church in due course decided this was too good for the plebs so one of the Popes decreed that only it could only be performed in the Sistine Chapel in Rome and furthermore, this is the part I love, any of the performers who divulged, copied or gave any part of it to anyone else would be excommunicated. Ahhh original brand DRM.

    When Mozart was 12 years old he went to Rome and witnessed the performance. Then later wrote it down from memory.

    DRM didn't work then, and wont work now.

    My 2 cents worth.

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