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Online Storage 2.0: Six Sites Reviewed

mikemuch writes "Services like box.net, openomy, and eSnips are more than just places to access your files from the web. Some include media organization tools, Windows shell integration, drag-and-drop uploading, tagging, and social content sharing. ExtremeTech has a review up of six online storage services with Web 2.0 twists."

142 comments

  1. Store your YouTube videos here! by jusDfaqs · · Score: 1

    Well at least I have the nes advertising slogan worked out......

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  2. I surprised they didn't include XDrive. by IANAAC · · Score: 2, Informative

    They give you 5 Gig free. It's owned by AOL, but there don't seem to be any realy limitations placed on the user.

    1. Re:I surprised they didn't include XDrive. by uradu · · Score: 2, Informative

      Agree. The only problem I have with XDrive is their totally retarded sign-up mechanism: they require you to register an AOL "screen name", and that system seems to be at least intermittently broken. I've tried to sign up a friend several times using both FF and IE and never received an actual screen name, but it did register his email address each time and did not let me use it again the next time, so I always had to use a different email address, and still no screen name to this day.

    2. Re:I surprised they didn't include XDrive. by kilbo · · Score: 1

      Especially since they complain in the summary about a lack of OS integration which is where XDrive does a really good job and includes 5GB to boot

    3. Re:I surprised they didn't include XDrive. by MsGeek · · Score: 1

      I could use an XDrive backup client for Mac OS X. Sure, the Java/Javascript setup XDrive uses works not just on Mac OS X with Firefox and the Apple JVM, but also in Linux with Sun's JVM. However a client and OS integration could be nice. Especially when it's considered that .MAC gives you less storage space and you also have to pay $99/year for it.

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    4. Re:I surprised they didn't include XDrive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm a developer at Xdrive, we develop the freaking service on MacBook Pro's, but we can't get an OS X client into the feature list. With Apple poised to make major gains against Microsoft re: Vista, I'm floored that we don't consider an OS X client a strategic feature.

      Please, please, bitch and moan about it. Louder. Your voices count for more than mine.

      Grrr... I was going to provide a link to the community forums website (from http://www.xdrive.com/support), but that's broken at the moment. Give it a day or so and then please try again. Lots of us want an OS X client. It will only happen if Xdrive/AOL management can be convinced of the need.

      (AC because attaching my name to this might be a CLM)

    5. Re:I surprised they didn't include XDrive. by popo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Especially since XDrive has been around since 1997, was one of the original web 1.0
      storage pioneers and features excellent OS integration (becoming drive X: on your machine).
      It's also both the slickest and most reliable.

      And it gives you 5x the storage of the new players.

      What these newcomers offer that XDrive doesn't isn't at all clear.

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    6. Re:I surprised they didn't include XDrive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Went straight to the site, used my existing screen name, got:
      "We're sorry ..."
      "class java.lang.NullPointerException"

      I'm impressed.

    7. Re:I surprised they didn't include XDrive. by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Well, mediamax gives you 25GB. But their OS integration is somewhat lacking.

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  3. Links people links... by rovingeyes · · Score: 4, Informative

    Now isn't this link much better?. Why is it so difficult to submit these links instead? Sigh...

    1. Re:Links people links... by lessthanjakejohn · · Score: 1

      Well, if someone doesn't read the entire article (which most I assume will not) then it could save bandwidth and reduce the effect of a slashdot on an incapable site.

    2. Re:Links people links... by LMacG · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since it's almost a certainty that the author of the piece submitted the article --cf. "mikemuch writes", "Six Free Online Storage Services - By Michael W. Muchmore" -- one might imagine the point was to gain page hits and ad impressions.

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    3. Re:Links people links... by xiong.chiamiov · · Score: 1

      Also the fact that the name mikemuch is a link to extremetech...

    4. Re:Links people links... by Fifty+Points · · Score: 1, Informative

      Maybe because without an internal referral URL, your link just redirects to the same thing, hmmm?

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    5. Re:Links people links... by Jainith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or just skip right to the final page...

  4. Personally... by rainman_bc · · Score: 1

    I just use a program called Unison and sync up my photos and home videos to an NFS share on another box on my lan, but the idea of off site storage has always appealed to me...

    I wonder what kind of solutions that support Linux users are out there... Just talking about a way for a user like me to do an off site backup without having to burn a dvd and take it off site to a safety deposit box...

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  5. Or you could get a hosting account... by Paulrothrock · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've got 224 GB of storage space and 2.6 TB of monthly bandwidth, along with an image gallery, blog, SSH and FTP access, and email with spam filtering for $9.99/month + $10/year for the domain name.

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    1. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which hosting company do you use/recommend?

    2. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      Go to Webhostingtalk.com and search their forums, you will find many (no, Many) hosting providers and a ton of comments about them all.

      If you want cheap and cheerful go for the hugely large providers like 1&1 or fasthosts. They may lack customer service, but you're not going there for that after all.

    3. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      I get:
      225.3 GB plus an additional 1GB every week.
      2671 GB plus an additional 16GB every week.

      In addition I have a home server.

      3 times a day my laptop rsyncs everything irreplaceable to the server.
      2 times a day the server rsyncs things to other hard drives internally.
      1 time a day the server rsyncs everything to my host.

      My laptop could be run over tomorrow and I'd only lose maybe a few photos at most. My house could burn down tomorrow and everything I really care about (Family Pictures, College Pictures, Stuff I've Written) will be on my host.

      Granted, I don't my host's backup policy. So there is a possibility of global nuclear war, but family photos are the least of my worries.

    4. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      Another Dreamhost customer, I see. The great thing about them is that they've got a great backup policy. You should check out the wiki article

      I've been meaning to write the scripts that'll handle all that stuff for me, but haven't really had the time. I've taken to autosyncing my irreplaceables to my iPod whenever it's connected and keeping financial documents in encrypted disk images.

      What I really would like is the ability to mount FTP sites as writeable on my Mac. Rsyncing is fine for backing up, but the ability to drag a file onto a drive and have it show up where others can see it is the only advantage these file backup sites seem to have over a hosting account.

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    5. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by LordNimon · · Score: 1

      Use WebDAV. You can mount a WebDAV server like any other remote file system, and copy files to/from it with ease. If you put your WebDAV directory under your web site's root folder, you can also access the contents via http.

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    6. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear Dreamhost is good. The list of features is quite impressive, the bandwidth/diskspace is awesome, and I've never heard anything bad about it. It's also quite popular -- hopefully the honeymoon will last :)

      There's a number of community sites hosted on Dreamhost, so if you want to give a little something back, look for an affiliate link -- they get a fair chunk of change if you refer them.

    7. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by crayiii · · Score: 1

      I'm with dreamhost too and I'm trying to figure out the best/secure way to do this. Right now I have a mix of windows and linux machines backing up through FTP. I have windows connected using netdrive so the dreamhost server can be mapped as a drive. I'm concerned with security though. As I have all my documents, including financial software data, being backed up, how safe is this? Is ftp okay for this?

    8. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Yes and No.

      E-mails, Photos, Writings are saved unencrypted. I'm sure if I ran for president some of the drunken photos could be incriminating, but I'm not to concerned about those.

      Taxes, Finances, other important stuff is saved on an encrypted compressed disk image. Sure there is a bit of overhead because if anything changes the whole disk image has to change.

      I forget how many bits it is, but I think I set it to the max that Disk Utility.app allowed me to.

      I also don't have the password stored in key chain, so every time I want to open these I have to enter my password anyway.

    9. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      NO.

      SFTP or Rsync. FTP is plain text. Even then, you're not out of the water. Everything will be plain text on dreamhost's servers incase your account gets hacked.

      See my other post under the great-grandparent. I don't know if linux or windows have anything equivalent to encrypted disk images, but store important stuff like that encrypted.

      Windows has an rsync port, but I've never used it, nor have I ever used automatic scheduling on windows. For linux you might be able to hash together a script to tar.bz2 then encrypt stuff (however linux does that sort of stuff), then send it out.

      Or just get a Mac and put everything sensitive on an encrypted disk image :)

    10. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I have dreamhost. What I get for the money is awesome.

      Now they are down occasionally. I'm not talking a few hours a week or anything major. But from time to time my host times out. Sometimes it'll be up in a minute (and makes me wonder if it's even on my end). Sometimes I submit a ticket and it turns out to be a burned out NIC or something. I just use it as offsite backup and hosting for some pictures and personal stuff. I wouldn't put anything mission critical on there but they do their job.

      They did rework how you can do 'catchall' addresses. You can't forward them to another provider because they were getting flagged for forwarding spam. So I had to come up with a creative work around.

      catchall@dh.com -> redirect@dh.com -> user@gmail.com -> user@dh.com.

      This lets me do a few things:
      1) I can set up catchalls. I have slashdot@dh.com. If a company ever starts to spam me I can always ask dream host to bounce all e-mails to an address.
      2) Gmail catches a ton of the rest of the spam. Gmail has awesome spam filtering and I put it to work
      3) Every e-mail I'll ever receive is archived at Gmail if I ever accidentally delete something I needed.
      4) I can still use my imap client at dreamhost. I have a few laptops that I read mail on with a real client, so IMAP is good.

      Let me know if you want to sign up, I can get a referral credit.

    11. Re:Or you could get a hosting account... by zanderredux · · Score: 1

      where?

  6. Streamload/Mediamax by RogueyWon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mediamax used to be rather good (very good, in fact) back when it was still called streamload. Unfortunately, last year, they went through a big upgrading and rebranding exercise in August that has virtually destroyed its functionality and reliability.

    The old, usable interface was replaced by a hideous, slow nightmare that, frankly, didn't even look as good as the old version. Files now routinely vanish while being moved between folders, or fail to show up at all after being uploaded. The interface for hosting files for non-members to access has been crippled and passwords or IP restrictions set on such public-hosted folders frequently disappear and reset themselves. Many files uploaded before the conversion to Mediamax have vanished, or remain visible but inaccessible.

    For a month or so after the "upgrade", the support staff seemed to be genuinely trying to fix things. After that, all of the customer interface points were effectively shut down and the company went into full-on spin mode. I can only come to the conclusion that the new back-end for the service is effectively unworkable, but that for whatever reason, either management or the line (or both) cannot admit this and roll back to the old technology.

    I'm on the verge of backing up all my stored content to DVD until I can find another store for it and cancelling my account. I know others will be having similar thoughts. The entire thing seems to be an object lesson into how to run a successful service into the ground.

    1. Re:Streamload/Mediamax by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I'm also quite disappointed with the results of moving from Streamload to MediaMax. That said, I haven't lost any files. But the interface is unuseable in Opera now (when it worked fine before) and extremely painfully slow in IE. If any of the other services offer easy sharing and decent space for a decent price I might well switch. But I've yet to see anyone duplicate what SL has for sharing.

      That said, I was going to use them for backup, but their beta app is really beta, crashing every time I close the UI and then requiring me to reboot my XP machine to get it to run again (this isn't acceptable). It also randomly will just NOT upload a file. So if I do end up canceling MediaMax, Mozy is looking like the off site backup of choice for me. I use the free 2GB now for import documents.

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  7. Online Storage == Awful Idea by jeevesbond · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Putting sensitive documents in online storage, on computers not under the document owners control is stupid. The fact these services are met with some success is deeply worrying, why are people not aware it's a bad idea to put so much personal data in the hands of an anonymous corporation?

    But then, I remember MySpace exists... *sigh*

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    1. Re:Online Storage == Awful Idea by Stewie241 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In its current form, there are a lot of shortcomings.

      But if one were able to build a client that did on the fly encryption/decryption when uploading and downloading, then you could make it much safer. Of course, you would still not put the most sensitive of sensitive documents there (i.e. don't put your password database there), encrypted or not.

    2. Re:Online Storage == Awful Idea by hey · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but most people's documents aren't that sensitive.
      Let say you want to archive your digital photos.
      For average computer users, I'd recommend this kind of thing.

    3. Re:Online Storage == Awful Idea by rainman_bc · · Score: 1

      Let say you want to archive your digital photos.

      As a parent I take photos of my baby daughter in the tub having a bath (no bottom shots or anything) because I think it's cute. I don't take pictures of her naked because I'm a perv, I take it because bath time is so damned cute. I wonder if that can get into the wrong hands if I upload to one of these companies.

      That'd really kinda suck, and might even land me in trouble if the wrong person were to read something bad into that that really shouldn't be read.

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    4. Re:Online Storage == Awful Idea by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      So don't use it if you don't like it. What's the point of commenting on a topic you're not interested in just to say that it sucks?

    5. Re:Online Storage == Awful Idea by jeevesbond · · Score: 1

      What's the point of commenting on a topic you're not interested in just to say that it sucks?
      I never said I wasn't interested.
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    6. Re:Online Storage == Awful Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in some places the wrong hands = your local government

      you go away for a long time for violating the letter of the law, and not the spirit.

    7. Re:Online Storage == Awful Idea by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

      That's why there's encryption software. Unfortunately, Wikipedia doesn't list much file encryption software.

      However, most file compression software can encrypt. I think 7-Zip is a good one. Anyone know of better file encryption software?

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    8. Re:Online Storage == Awful Idea by jcnnghm · · Score: 1

      I offer an online storage system to my clients that does just that. I have a SAN with over 5TB free, so offering a few hundred GBs of storage out is no big deal. All files are encrypted on their end before transmission, and we never get the key.

      Even with the source code, I was unable to recover (rightly so) any data for a client that had lost their key. I now offer clients the option of storing the key encrypted on our systems, and then copying their private key onto a usb key for them to keep, in case they forget their encryption key. In either case, without their private key or their encryption key, I can't access their files.

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  8. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God I hate you corporate security types. You earn a living by sucking the fun out of everything, and your only job is to "protect corporate assets" - what a noble line of work! (As if corporate assets NEED more protecting), and then, when something really DOES happen, you massively inflate the cost of the incident.

  9. ssh rsync? by Kludge · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know of a service that will allow me to rsync across ssh to an encrypted partition?
    That would be useful.

    1. Re:ssh rsync? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      not quite (well, not unless you get yourself a hosting account with ssh access and run rsync yourself), but there is mozy.com which is very similar (if you do go mozy, please use my referral link). It's a backup service really but it sends changes over the net periodically, and has a web interface to restore files. Everything is encrypted and you can specify your own key.

      If you do go the rsync-yourself route, try BackupPC which is a web frontend to a rsync server, you can get your files from it over the web too then.

    2. Re:ssh rsync? by VE3MTM · · Score: 4, Informative

      How about http://www.rsync.net/?

      I have no affiliation with them, and I've never used their service, but it sounds like what you asked for.

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    3. Re:ssh rsync? by bigberk · · Score: 1

      rsync.net is a fantastic service. I use them for my home and business backups, it is (as implied) ideal for using rsync but the drives also map. With the open source developer discount I pay around $5 a month for 5 GB of space. Reliable service and expertly maintained, highly recommended.

  10. Not a storage service by tcopeland · · Score: 1

    ...but close: getindi. More of a "share stuff with the groups I'm in", e.g., your softball team, church choir, etc.

  11. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by Bonker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the corporate "banned" list.
    It's bad enough people try to use things like "Gmail" to send things that really ought to be sent securely. There are lot of semi-computer-literate yokels out there who see "SSL" and "SSH" and forget that their "private" data will be lying in the clear on someone else's server at the end of the day (free for the someone else or a server hacker to copy/read).


    It's assholes like this who make IT difficult for everyone else by inspiring hatred and fostering a sense of rebellion among those they supposedly 'serve'. Perhaps as a Slashdot reader, you're familiar with the phrase, "The more you tighten your grip..."? This is the reason that people attempt to work around you by using encrypted links to offsite storage. It's the same reason they set up unofficial file servers and install 'unapproved' applications. They need or want something that you, in your capacity as the provider of IT services, are not providing.

    Rather than arrogantly treating those you work with as 'Yokels', you could understand and provide for their needs. Why don't you try working with them rather than against them? Spend the time you would stamping out undesirable computer use by educating your users about security and providing them with the tools and services they want.

    Then, when you have a *real* security problem (one that doesn't involve the use of GMail), they'll be less likely to revolt.

    If you work in IT and aren't willing to treat those around you with more respect than you'd give to livestock, you need to find a different job.

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  12. Controversial data to store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have some pictures that could ... lets just say I might run into some legal issues if they ever fell into the wrong hands. The article really doesn't address what each service does to keep my images out of the hands of law enforcement.

    It's a shame this type of thing has to be considered, but here in the US, there is a complete hysteria created by overweight soccer moms who need SOMETHING to bitch about, so lately it's been "pedophiles" and "internet predators" and US law enforcement is absolutely eating it up. Google for "Webe Web" to see what I'm talking about.

    Anyhow, how are my images protected from seizure? Are they encrypted in some form that only *I* can get to?

    1. Re:Controversial data to store by daeg · · Score: 1

      If you're that concerned, you could keep your files in an encrypted volume using TrueCrypt and then back up the volume. Unfortunately, TrueCrypt volumes don't lend themselves to incremental backups very well, but if you keep the volume size roughly at what the files require and you don't write often, it won't be that bad. You could split them up into multiple volumes if you'd like, too.

      This applies not just to pictures but to sensitive e-mail backups, database dumps, etc.

  13. Absolutely. by benevixit · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those willing to forgo drag-and-drop interfaces, the shared hosting account is a much better storage deal for the buck. The better companies will provide in excess of 100GB for $5-8 per month with regular off-site backups. Oh, and you get web hosting too.

    In contrast, the consumer market companies in the article generally charge the same amount for an order of magnitude less storage. Maybe there's less competition for consumer storage, or higher marketing costs? Regardless, the discrepancy looks like a market imbalance that can't continue for long.

    1. Re:Absolutely. by adamfranco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For those willing to forgo drag-and-drop interfaces, the shared hosting account is a much better storage deal for the buck. The better companies will provide in excess of 100GB for $5-8 per month with regular off-site backups. Oh, and you get web hosting too.


      No need to forgo drag-and-drop. I use Apache-WebDAV over SSL for off-desktop storage. OS X allows you to connect to a WebDAV share just like you would a samba share, and at that point all applications just think it is another drive. There are also a number of dedicated WebDAV clients that can handle all of the file management and permission-setting.

      Granted, getting this set up the first time was quite a pain and you also have to do the work maintaining your own server. Once up and running though, it works like a charm.
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    2. Re:Absolutely. by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Well, Mediamax certainly provides somewhere near that though I don't know about the transfer - that might be better with a hosting account. That is, for $10 a month you get 250GB storage and 25GB transfer, plus they support hotlinking to your hosted files and I've seen people host websites right off of there. Of course, what makes mediamax so interesting is the ease of sharing files with other users so you're not paying for everyone's transfer unless you want to.

      Of course, if the above 2.6TB transfer is real, then I suppose it doesn't matter.

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  14. For Mac users: .Mac by MarkWatson · · Score: 1

    As a Mac user, I am used to paying a little more :-)

    Seriously, the .Mac service for $99/year is a good deal: 1/2 gig storage, nice integration with OS X and Backup, and apparently fairly unlimited bandwidth (I use .Mac as a mirror for some of my downloads).

    1. Re:For Mac users: .Mac by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      I recommended .Mac to my parents and they're very happy with it. My dad set up a web page for his band with audio clips and a photo gallery all by himself, and he and my mom have email and a backup system.

      My only beef is that you can't get the Backup program without buying .Mac. I've already got a web host, but would love to use it to back up my system to my web host, which I talk about a little bit above your post.

      And, probably because of .Mac, I can't mount an FTP drive as writeable without jumping through a ton of hoops.

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    2. Re:For Mac users: .Mac by SuperMog2002 · · Score: 1

      You can mount FTP drives as writable with jumping through hoops? Better than my current state of not being able to do it at all. Care to elaborate?

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    3. Re:For Mac users: .Mac by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      I've not tried it, but I believe there is a FUSE FTP filesystem. You could always use that with the Mac FUSE driver.

      10.4 got the ability to mount WebDAV folders over HTTPS, so you might find that a better solution.

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    4. Re:For Mac users: .Mac by SuperMog2002 · · Score: 1

      I've used Mac FUSE with SSH, but haven't tried FTP yet. I'll poke around and see what I can find out. Thanks.

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  15. How come these never mention Apple's .Mac? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

    How come these reviews never mention Apple's .Mac service? That's what I'm currently using, and I'd LOVE to find an alternative, as iDisk seizes up Finder all the freakin' time, but I have no clue which of those services integrate with OS X. But even a basic review showing how .Mac compares to the other options would be nice.

    Does anybody have any advice for Mac-compatible (preferably Finder-integrated, like .Mac) online storage?

    1. Re:How come these never mention Apple's .Mac? by SuperMog2002 · · Score: 1

      Anything that allows you to access your files over NFS or SMB will integrate quite nicely, as OS X can mount both those file systems as read/write. SMB is how I get my Mac to share files with my Windows machine, and it works flawlessly. Unfortunately, I have't actually found any such services on the web yet. Note that I haven't really looked much either.

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  16. Never Again by mlk · · Score: 1

    Many moons ago when I left Uni I dumpped all my data on to a "free" online storage location, knowning that for a month or so I'd be netless, and unable to move my data any other way.

    A month later and it was no longer free, and all my content was "pay up in 60days, or we will delete the lot".

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  17. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by rainman_bc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Props to you for such a great reply to such an ass hat IT person.

    Truth is, many IT people don't seem to "get" it. They call everything a security hole and make b2b communications more difficult.

    Not everything needs tight-arsed security. If I want my outside people to send me a file with not-so-sensitive information that isn't very useful to anyone else, I think they should be able to FTP it to me ( or SFTP or SCP or FTP with SSL if pedantic IT people were so inclined). Instead of an ass-hat saying " you can't have an ftp server up because it's a security hole", the ass hat IT person should say "I'll set up a secure FTP server instead and they can send it there".

    I've had those conversations all the time with idiot IT people.

    Truth is I think they're just on a rampage sometimes without any real knowledge of why they're doing something.

    That said, the IT department at the company I work for is the first competent group I've seen. They locked down IM, but set up a jabber server instead with an MSN gateway. IMO that's the way to go - set something up that's a viable alternative instead of just saying "no" to anyone who wants anything.

    Fuck sometimes it'd be just easier to pull all ethernet cables.

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  18. No webdav? by oliderid · · Score: 1

    Why is there no services using Webdav (AKA Web Folder for Windows)?
    It is quite simple to setup (Apache + webdav module). it is a built-in feature in all OS (except Windows 98 IMHO). You can use HTTP Basic Authentification or something more secured with SSL. And your app will be fully integrated with your client's OS.

    I have developped a large extranet service based on this technology. Pretty simple. You can choose either 100% JAVA based application (and using TOMCAT and all) or Apache 1.X (or 2.X). You don't have to build anykind of windows based application or complex web services (emulating the drag and drop feature).

    It supports versionning, locking files, etc. On the server side, you can use (AFAIK) symbolic links, and so on. It can be easily used as a file sharing server for people working from different locations and with different accounts.

    Olivier

    1. Re:No webdav? by oggiejnr · · Score: 1

      If you want to use WebDav with Windows XP SP2 it has to use authentication over SSL or Windows Authentication otherwise XP blocks it on site. The only way around is through changing a registry key which isn't an apropriate solution for most users

    2. Re:No webdav? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dreamhost offers WebDAV as part of their hosting service.

  19. add another to the list by ebooborg · · Score: 0

    there are piles of filehosts at the moment, rapidshare and megaupload pop straight into mind one of the best for last 9 months is MiHD simply because there is no waiting and popunders not to mention 500MB upload limit and resumable downloads

    1. Re:add another to the list by wwmedia · · Score: 0, Offtopic
  20. Never worked in IT, have you? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They need or want something that you, in your capacity as the provider of IT services, are not providing.


    Never worked in IT, have you?

    This is a classic example of a IT-provided service that employees already have (at least, if you've already invested in a good email system and a good secure file transfer system) that gets marketed directly to consumers as something they don't have. So...they "try it", often with something like a customer list or account statement that shouldn't really leave the company, and then just start using it without even telling the guy in the next cube, let alone IT.

    Thus the need to ban (or at least listen for) such sites; if you don't, there will be people who just don't tell you.

    I suppose I could safely modify my opening statement to, "Never worked with live humans, have you?" The same general principle I'm teaching you about today applies to other areas too. For example, if I don't lock my company's electrical closets, eventually someone will wander in there and do something that could get both of us in trouble. (Therefore I "ban" access to it by locking the door.)
    1. Re:Never worked in IT, have you? by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You just can't win in IT. If you block access to something, you're all about control and limiting innovation. When something stupid happens, you own the problem 110% because you didn't do enough to prevent it from happening.

      What's funny is that nobody seems to think its "unfair" that you can't make yourself more efficient by cutting a hole in the wall and creating your own doorway to the parking lot, but cutting a hole in IT security with filesharing is OK because it makes you more efficient.

      I'm sympathetic to the end users as many IT policies do seem irrational, but I'm also sympathetic to IT since its unlikely they have been given a mandate to enable the end users to do whatever they want.

    2. Re:Never worked in IT, have you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great analogy! Thank you!

    3. Re:Never worked in IT, have you? by _LORAX_ · · Score: 1

      You might want to read this piece.

      http://www.cio.com/archive/021507/fea_user_mgmt.ht ml?page=1

      As IT you should not be giving users whatever they want, but you need to remember that each request means that IT is probably missing something. The article is a good read and contrasts the "control everything" motto that you have to a balanced approach that makes IT part of a total discussion on topics like "I need to do this work at home" or "I need to share these documents with joan in accounting".

      Don't fear your expert users, embrace them and learn.

      And yes, I do work in IT. While we don't deal in corporate secrets, we do have a secure environment for out users that is not restrictive.

    4. Re:Never worked in IT, have you? by daigu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is funny how people always talk about the best scenario when it comes to IT - like people using gmail instead of work email (leaving out important details like the corporate system is Lotus Notes) or something stupid happening. Rarely do people in IT talk about how they often don't even know what the business problems are for the company, divisions, units and work groups they are providing services for.

      Even for those problems that they are aware of, frequently problem solving takes a back-seat to the problems of structure within IT itself (well, the desktop team has to approve it after they get the purchase order for the technology liasion and then it needs to go to the network team for approval before I can do anything), silly procedural rules designed for no-trust situations which ironically create zero trust because of their application (any time we do a change you need to send me two emails the first saying "I've checked the code in pre-production and it should be promoted...blah blah blah), IT arrogance (we do not provide that service and you can't go elsewhere for it), etc.

      Sure, people ask for and do stupid things and IT needs to be careful with tracking changes and such - but there is a lot of flat out lying (because it is convenient) and other bullshit that goes on because IT departments forget who their customers are.

    5. Re:Never worked in IT, have you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twenty five years ago, the PC was invented because people had the insight to know that an idiot douchebag like you was going to come along in twenty five years.

    6. Re:Never worked in IT, have you? by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      I, for one, think it *is* unfair that I can't add an outside door to my office. I mean, I've got a perfectly good sledgehammer ... and while we're on the subject, I don't see why I can't drive my motorcycle all the way up to my desk. It would save a lot of walking / wasted time walking.

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    7. Re:Never worked in IT, have you? by swb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Rarely do people in IT talk about how they often don't even know what the business problems are for the company, divisions, units and work groups they are providing services for. When I worked in an IT department, I used to *beg* to have employees explain to me what their specific business problems were, only to be told I wouldn't understand, lacked the niche experience or some other bullshit answer that had more to do with maintaining exclusivity and power bases among middle management. So you guessed as best you could in keeping with the IT policies and procedures you *knew* existed and were enforced, but then got chided for not understanding the business problems. OK, great, you don't like my cooking and you won't share the recipe. I guess that works.

      Even in situations where the basic business problem is being solved (ie, replacing desperately old machines first on a companywide basis), I've had departmental managers tell me "I don't care what the company needs, I want my people taken care of first." What business problem is THAT solving?

      Even for those problems that they are aware of, frequently problem solving takes a back-seat to the problems of structure within IT itself (well, the desktop team has to approve it after they get the purchase order for the technology liasion and then it needs to go to the network team for approval before I can do anything), silly procedural rules designed for no-trust situations which ironically create zero trust because of their application (any time we do a change you need to send me two emails the first saying "I've checked the code in pre-production and it should be promoted...blah blah blah), IT arrogance (we do not provide that service and you can't go elsewhere for it), etc. At the end of the day/week/month/year, IT has its own internal accountability which determines pay, raises, bonuses, promotions, and so on, typically following a company wide model. I got tired of being taken to the woodshed when I violated obviously stupid IT policy for the benefit of users; I have to respect what side of the bread gets buttered. And then there's the *financial* accountability -- often wanting to support users in the way they'd like involves spending money in ways that finance won't approve (often for reasons cavalier and petty) or if they do approve, its a choice between critical infrastructure (mail servers, firewalls, core networking) versus vanity needs (5 marketing people who want top-of-the-line Mac laptops and full design suites, despite being top-10 "How do I create a folder?" help desk callers).

      Sure, people ask for and do stupid things and IT needs to be careful with tracking changes and such - but there is a lot of flat out lying (because it is convenient) and other bullshit that goes on because IT departments forget who their customers are. I've always found the customer-centric analogy fundamentally flawed in IT, at least in your most common centrally funded IT departments. You're only a customer if you're *paying* somewhat directly for your IT services; usually its "we want this and that and we don't care what it costs or who else is inconvenienced companywide."

      I've never worked in a chargeback-centric organization, but it would be interesting to see if some of the most abusive "customer" behavior disappeared along with some of the worst IT policies if at the end of the day IT didn't *have* to act as a gatekeeper, since the business unit in question was *paying* for what they wanted, and had some internal pressures to eliminate some of the dumb behavior and waste lest continuing demands (ie, more mail storage, etc) erode business unit margins.

    8. Re:Never worked in IT, have you? by don_bear_wilkinson · · Score: 1

      quote: "Rarely do people in IT talk about how they often don't even know what the business problems are for the company, divisions, units and work groups they are providing services for."

      It's fruitless to have a one way conversation with people who are not listening to anything other than "Yes, of course, we'll do that for you - immediately." :)

      IT does not know about the business problems because they do not have a seat at the table. At the executive level, where the real decisions are made, IT is not invited to the Board Meeting. They are either a cost center or a mere service provider, not a member of the core team. At the middle mgmt level IT is rarely included with the business meetings. Dept heads come up with ideas on what they want to do, but the IT mgr was not invited so no one told them why this or that might not be possible, has to be done differently, violate policy or law, etc.

      quote: "problems of structure within IT itself"

      Which are often dictated well above the IT level of the organization, friend. Very few people, least of all a bunch of techies, love bureaucracy for it's own sake. Being charged with both operating within and sometimes enforcing the processes and policies made necessary by law or the structure defined by the Board is both thankless and not-fun. :)

      quote: "IT arrogance (we do not provide that service and you can't go elsewhere for it)"

      That you characterize this as arrogance shows ignorance and a lack of understanding (of the kind you accuse IT of lacking, it should be noted) for the reality of IT operations (in most places).

      That IT does not provide it is likely a function of; A) prevented by security concerns/laws/policy at the top, B) not affordable, practical or do-able within current infrastructure, C) does not actually constitute a *justifiable* need or benefit, and so on.

      That "you can not go for it elsewhere" is also likely a function of the above or similar.

      But, people don't like "No", aren't interested in the reasons why, and want to just blame the person who has the unfortunate role of "messenger".

      There is a partnership needed. IT needs to be included (as opposed to excluded) as a contributing partner in the business AND IT has to care about more than tech widgets. It's the future of business.

      When YOU invite IT to the table, and openly and respectfully engage them as a solution provider, and give them what they need to actually do the job, you'll probably find yourself getting what you want and them being happy to have made it happen.

      But, if during such a process you find out that it can't be done, for any of a number of reasons, but it's your boss or the C*O telling you as much, I want you to get on your knees before IT and beg forgiveness for all the other times when the reasons where the same but you blamed IT. :)

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    9. Re:Never worked in IT, have you? by daigu · · Score: 1

      I understand the issues. Some people think controlling information gives them more power (typically behavior of less competent people). Some people think their little corners of the company or few executives are more important than everyone else (which is ok, so long as you can tell them to get stuffed when it matters). I understand IT has its own agenda (but IT management should realize that their bread gets buttered by the people using IT services - a fact frequently forgotten).

      I think the customer-centric analogy is perfect for IT. Without it, the safest answer is always no. Except, this behavior is why people set-up their own servers, use outside consultants, etc. that don't involve IT, and more to the point, it means IT isn't doing its job.

      There are a number of problems that come with a charge back model. For one, it makes you into just another vendor. If you charge me for email, why shouldn't I just use Google (I know why not, but to the person signing the checks it may seem like an unnecessary expense)? Two, it means limited ability to strategically deploy IT services. You only can get what people have the foresight to budget for - and most business units are not terribly savvy on the technology front, which is where IT should come in as consultant and partner. Etc. Etc.

      I won't say it isn't hard. It is hard. But, there are a lot of people (particularlly in IT management) that aren't even trying to do a good job, and they need to stop getting away with it.

    10. Re:Never worked in IT, have you? by daigu · · Score: 1

      That IT does not provide it is likely a function of; A) prevented by security concerns/laws/policy at the top, B) not affordable, practical or do-able within current infrastructure, C) does not actually constitute a *justifiable* need or benefit, and so on.

      This comment says it all. Why should I have to justify my need to IT - especially after you have just explained how IT is not at the table anywhere and has no basis from which to make a judgment? IT should present options and talk about the technical considerations - when IT is vetting my need, that's sign one that you have a problem.

      I'll go further and say the "and so on" can be anything from - "damn that sounds like work, let's make up some bullshit about why we can't do it" to flat-out power-trippin'. I've been in situations where I know there are no security concerns (you think I don't have contacts in IT, both in and out of the company?), could pay for it, and had an important problem I was trying to solve, and had IT management try every excuse they could think of not to do it. It happened, when I pushed hard enough which only goes to show that there is a lot of "and so on" out there that is the problem.

      I should also say that I've worked with great IT folks. Once you have a relationship and they understand that I can take no for an answer - so long as you can explain why in a way that doesn't trip off my bullshit filter, we tend to get along great. But man, I've been lied to so many times - on real basic things too - that I tend to go in real skeptical.

  21. A similar experience by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    MediaMax has below average Mac support, and gets easily confused with batch transfers. Box can do these, at least, but has weak to poor Safari/Gecko support.

    And none of these has a cool API where one can just write a stream to. It all involves lots of miscellaneous, semi-intuitive file manipulations. All of them should have a method that requires file encryption, unless a file's going to be published freely as none of them USES STRONG PASSWORD ENFORCEMENT. This stuff is rife for a dictionary-attach-afternoon.

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  22. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by therobloe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Although keep in mind, sometimes the "easy" way is not the right way. Yes, I know there is an arduous process to set up a secure FTP account on our servers, but there is a process. Suppose one of my users goes around that, and decides to use an alternative service instead. Now, I have to also be aware of and know the ins and outs of that particular service in order to be able to deal with it when problems arise when we have a perfectly fine and working system already.

    What happens when my user quits or is fired? That information is not accessible nor secure because they did not use my standard secure FTP procedures. We may have lost a client because of that, or days of work in not having everything on our internal and closed systems.

    We try to work with users, but circumventing IT isn't the way to go. Two-way communication is key, and understanding that at the end of the day, the company's interests are what we have to act in. I will also be blocking these sites, although I would personally like to use a few. But as a professional, I can make these kind of judgments and make my job easier. If I say an application is unapproved, that means I don't have time to support it when it breaks. If a user installs it anyway, it becomes crucial, and it breaks, then it becomes my problem, taking time away from priority projects because someone thought the rules didn't apply to them.

    I would never call users Yokels, but a little knowledge can be dangerous.

    Rob

  23. I can suggest a solution... by jonathan_lampe · · Score: 1

    If I want my outside people to send me a file with not-so-sensitive information that isn't very useful to anyone else, I think they should be able to FTP it to me ( or SFTP or SCP or FTP with SSL if pedantic IT people were so inclined). Instead of X saying " you can't have an ftp server up because it's a security hole", the IT person should say "I'll set up a secure FTP server instead and they can send it there".


    Can I make a suggestion for this? It does SFTP and FTPS with automatic encrypted storage...
    http://www.standardnetworks.com/moveitdmz
    1. Re:I can suggest a solution... by rainman_bc · · Score: 1

      It was a company I used to work for where the IT people were morons, more interested in working on the next cool thing (at that point was implementing NDS) instead of doing real IT work like managing the network and the like.

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  24. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by Tarlus · · Score: 1

    I think you're missing his point. While I wouldn't call them 'yokels', it should be agreed that there are plenty of people out there that just don't understand the dangers of transferring sensitive data.

    Consider, for example, a medical researcher. This person may collect any volume of information on a patient for use in research. This person has a very strong medical understanding, but doesn't even know what file encryption is. They may store this information in a MS Word file. This is fine. Then they want to back it up on a remote, unencrypted fileserver to be able to access it from a different PC, or send it to another researcher. But, uh oh, a third party intercepted it, because it was right out in the open. Then the law finds out that sensitive patient information has been leaked out, and completely shuts down the research group and the researcher(s) potentially face time in prison.

    That seems like an extreme example, but it's realistic, and I have seen it happen. The university where I provide IT support requires everybody with any sort of involvement with patient information to have a keen understanding and sense of moderation. Myself included, I had to be certified to ensure that my fileserver (which may or may not contain patient information) be impenetrable by third parties. And I've also had to make sure that all of my users are fully aware of the right and wrong way to transfer sensitive files, or else they would be using things like GMail.

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  25. Amazon S3? by daeg · · Score: 1

    Has anyone used Amazon's S3 service? [ http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=16427261 ]

    We're considering using it for yet-another offsite backup of some of our records, in an encrypted form.

    The prospect of being able to use a simple API to update and download backups seems like a great idea to me, but I've yet to find any decent service reviews.

    1. Re:Amazon S3? by puppetman · · Score: 1

      Ya, I'm surprised as well; I guess because it's a service with a low-level interface (rather than some nifty Web 2.0 UI).

      I am considering writing a small app to manage an S3 account to store our digital photos. It's cheap, and unlike all the small, new companies listed in the ExtremeTech article, unlikely to be going anywhere soon. They also state a 99.99% up-time, and I suspect they could hit that mark pretty easily.

      I also want the ability to be able to sync a local directory to a remote one (only upload what's changed) automatically; all of these services require hands-on to select and upload photos. Some simple small tool that could do all that should be easily coded, and could be used my Luddite parents-in-law.

      That said, I wonder why Google hasn't gotten into this market?

    2. Re:Amazon S3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I haven't used it myself but it sounds like you want s3sync.net.

    3. Re:Amazon S3? by StanS · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've been using s3sync to upload/download stuff to Amazon's S3 service for months. It works great. I even use it on Windows (since it's a ruby program, it works anywhere).

      There are many graphical managers as well, I use jetS3t, which is a java based gui client.

      The huge added bonus (for me) is that with S3 it's trivial to make something public (with or without authentication), or even have it host a torrent.

    4. Re:Amazon S3? by bmorris · · Score: 1

      Have a look at Jungle Disk: http://www.jungledisk.com/

    5. Re:Amazon S3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We use it, so far it's been great. We're using JungleDisk to access and mount our S3 volume.
      JungleDisk has win/mac os/linux versions, can encrypt all the data being uploaded and does automated incremental backups. Pretty much everything we need for a simple secondary backup solution. The only limits right now are that files in the S3 volume can't retain their creation/modified dates, but jungledisk announced that it would be able to support it in the next version. Also individual files are limited to 2Gb (an S3 limitation.)

      It's reliable and cheap, we use it as a secondary offsite backup. They don't offer any guarantees on uptime or data retention, so I wouldn't use it as a primary or only backup solution, but with the built in jungle disk encryption it's pretty safe and easy.

    6. Re:Amazon S3? by carbon116 · · Score: 1

      If you have a Mac, you could try GDisk - http://gdisk.sf.net/
      Turns your GMail account into online storage.

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    7. Re:Amazon S3? by Esoteric+Moniker · · Score: 1

      I second the nomination for JungleDisk. It's free (you still pay for your S3 account), and you can schedule a nice automatic backup to run every so often (5 minutes - once a month). On OSX you can connect to the JungleDisk server (really just a front end for S3) on a local port so it shows up like any other mounted drive (good finder integration).

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  26. Not all data is sensitive. by deesine · · Score: 1

    Really.

    Just two weeks ago I had a client who needed to transfer ~20 10-30mg files to a printer in China, ASAP. Those files were not sensitive at all. The file sizes ruled out many of these online offerings. My client said he had already tried using gmail as storage, and one other, but they both had limits of around 5mg/file.

    After hearing that I didn't bother doing more research. I wish, after reading this article that I had, because there I was hand-holding him through two (XP & OSX) ftp client installs. He, then, had to hand-hold their Chinese printer through an install. (Yes, believe it or not, this printer didn't already have that capability. Small scale operation.)

    In short, I was research lazy and found this article one of the most helpful I've read all month. Oh yea, and not everyone needs secure transfers.

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    1. Re:Not all data is sensitive. by kv9 · · Score: 1

      because there I was hand-holding him through two (XP & OSX) ftp client installs.

      in XP it would have been easier to just type ftp ://username@ftpserver.com in the Explorer address bar. I expect such an advanced OS as OSX to have similar functionality out of the box.

  27. Bleh by Valdez · · Score: 1
    A few more readers need to tag this as slashvertising

    Bleh.

    If you submit a link to an article you wrote under the guise "[Website] has just [posted] a new [review of thing]"... where in fact [you] were the one doing the posting of said [review] under the employ of said [website]... you should be stoned.

    Or modded down.

  28. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by bberens · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I call shenanigans. We use an SSL VPN solution through active-X or applet (the VPN router supports both) at my office. The SSL certificate we use is invalid and Firefox, Opera, Konqueror, etc. disallow me to view the page even after I've attempted manually importing the certificate. However, IE let's me right through with a simple warning. For those few of us without access to IE at home, that means we can't use the VPN. All they'd have to do is get a proper certificate and everything would be solved. But the response I get is "We can't support every flavor" or "We don't support linux." Nevermind the gaping security hole which is just waiting for someone to man-in-the-middle our VPN to gain access to important data files. This sort of response is typical to every IT department I've ever come across. I realize you may be nice and friendly and will at least attempt to be helpful but that makes you not in the 'norm'.

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  29. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by DnemoniX · · Score: 1

    You know I took the time to write out a nice bit picking apart you little tantrum here. I previewed it and it was well done. Then I read your garbage once again and decided you were not worth the effort. So I am instead settling on this simple comment, "You sir are a Turd Sandwich".

  30. Re:mo3 down by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1, Funny

    What does the "Gay Nigger Association of America" GNAA corporate have to do with online storage?

    NOTE: Just put GNAA into google and see what you get!

  31. Wow, a whole 1 GB of storage. Whoopty Doo by elrous0 · · Score: 1
    Can someone tell me what the point of using these sites for backup purposes is, when you can buy a frickin' flash drive with 4 times that much storage, take it with you anywhere on your keychain, and never have to worry about monthly bandwidth restrictions or trying to upload a 1 GB backup over a crappy broadband connection?

    -Eric

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    1. Re:Wow, a whole 1 GB of storage. Whoopty Doo by sammyo · · Score: 1

      Just what I was saying to my cubemate, look at this it holds all
      my files, wait, it was right on my keychain. Oh no, if I don't
      find that darned bit of plastic I'm doomed...

    2. Re:Wow, a whole 1 GB of storage. Whoopty Doo by n2art2 · · Score: 1

      That is what Multiple copies is for. . .that is why it is called a back up. . . and not a master copy.

      oh, and if you loose your thumb drive, the you only have yourself to blame. But then again, nobody wants to admit something is their own fault.

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    3. Re:Wow, a whole 1 GB of storage. Whoopty Doo by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      Personally the data on my servers is worth a hell of a lot more than the servers themselves (years of work). Any local storage backup, including USB drives would go up in flames with the servers in any disaster. This is why automated offsite storage is important. No, I'm not going to go to the server room and grab the USB disk to take with me every day, and then try to remember to plug it in at night. Also, I already have a USB keydisk that I carry around, and it certainly isn't used for backups. No, I'm not going to carry around more than one.

  32. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by thousandinone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are aware that there are costs involved with using an 'official' certificate authority, aren't you? It may not be in the budget.

  33. encryption? backup? by snitmo · · Score: 1

    This article concentrates on the interface and sharing, but I want to know answers to these questions before thinking about using them.

    Are the data encrypted on the server? If so, how?

    What prevents a server operator from stealing my data on the server?

    How long are the data kept on the server?

    How are they backed up?

    What kind of guarantee do they give regarding to these?

  34. eSnips is going to have trouble someday by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    eSnips is riddled with searchable MP3s
    http://esnips.com/_t_/metallica

    It's only a matter of time before we hear about them in the news

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  35. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by thousandinone · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So you made the effort, then threw it away because you decided he wasn't worth it? May as well have posted since the effort was already made; now its just a troll post.

  36. The only criteria that actually matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "who of these will still be around in six months?"

    Seriously. I can't see how anyone would trust their data to a company that doesn't have a potential lifespan of even six months. What do you think will happen when they suddenly go tits-up overnight and your stuff disappears? Keep your own stuff on your own media.

  37. How do these storgage companies afford it? by Bloodwine · · Score: 1

    The amount of bandwidth and storage they offer at such low prices, I cannot understand how they offer what they do for the price. Perhaps I am being a bit too cynical.

    1. Re:How do these storgage companies afford it? by wwmedia · · Score: 1

      lowest price bandwidth is 8-10$ per mbit with cogentco after 1gbit commit 1mbit / month flatout ~ 320GB so yea do the maths

  38. If I had mod points today, you'd have them all... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    What's funny is that nobody seems to think its "unfair" that you can't make yourself more efficient by cutting a hole in the wall and creating your own doorway to the parking lot, but cutting a hole in IT security with filesharing is OK because it makes you more efficient.


    That's the smartest/funniest thing I've read in a long time. God help me if I'm not using it in my own training by next week.
  39. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Then create a cert using CACert, provide instructions for users to import their root cert, and get on the bandwagon of people shouting for Mozilla to finally add them to the default list.

    Or publish your own root cert for users to import.

    There are solutions out there...

  40. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by bberens · · Score: 1

    Your point is valid so I don't intend this as a flame at all. We're a huge company with a multi-billion dollar budget. Our network IT staff (network only, not dbas, sysadmins, etc) is comprised of like 6 people. They can easily afford the certificate.

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  41. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by Rich0 · · Score: 1

    The fact that you have a process to set up secure FTP for your users puts you MILES ahead of most IT groups out there.

    In many companies getting an intranet website created on the official webserver requires tons of red tape and brings on questions like "Are you an official web dev in the official web dev group?" Then IT wonders why IIS or whatever is running on 47 PCs sitting under desks all over the company, completely unmanaged.

    Likewise in many companies users get a 25MB email quota or something silly like that, and then IT wonders why so many users find ways to go through proxy servers to get to gmail.

    Now, if you have services in place and they are given out without extreme duress that is one thing. But in many companies there is so much red tape to go through IT that everybody just ends up creating their own mini-IT groups...

  42. Stashbox by Benski · · Score: 1, Interesting

    http://stashbox.org/ is an up-and-coming storage site. Includes the incredible useful and usable Shup screencapture and file upload utility. It can even upload to sites other than stashbox.org

    It's still a work in progress, but the site and tools receive frequent updates.

  43. got to ask... by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 1

    was I the only one who reflexivly covered my groin upon seeing "eSnips"?

    Almost an engrish.com worthy name.

    Could be worse, I suppose, or maybe eUnichs or eBobbitizing was already taken.

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  44. Any hosting accounst that offer rsync? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maintaining backups with rsync would be nice. Any hosting providers offer rsync service?

    1. Re:Any hosting accounst that offer rsync? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Dreamhost.

      I even use aliases and hosts to make my life simpler.
      alias send="rsync -a -z -e ssh --partial --progress --stats"

      So I have document X.jpg I want to send to my dreamhost.

      send X.jpg dh:

      It comes in great handy when moving files quickly.

  45. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by josath · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My gf works in a corporate office at Wells Fargo. They have the hardest time transfering files around, email is capped at 10MB, outside programs banned. The only 'approved' way of transfering files (for example large 500 page financial statement 30MB pdf) is through a "SwiftSend" program. The only problem, is that this custom/enterprise app is so buggy, she is afraid to even open it, because she knows there is a 90% chance it will crash hard, locking up the PC, and needing a visit from IT in order to get the PC working again.

    If they just were to lift the email cap, then they would be happy. Or perhaps installing a ZIP program, most PDFs can compress pretty well. But no, too much bureaucracy.

    I like my job better (small, 10-person company), where I have free reign to install what the fuck ever I want. If I screw up my machine, it's my own damn fault, I'm better able to fix it that most people there anyway.

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  46. MediaMax problem by triso · · Score: 1

    MediaMax's generous 25GB of storage is limited by a odd download limit of just 1GB/mo. That means it will take two years and one month to download all 25GB.

    The other services offer monthly download limits that are five to ten times the storage provided or even unlimited.

  47. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by thousandinone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my experience, just because a company can afford it doesn't mean they'll fork over the money for it- and the more money a company has, the less inclined it is to spend it. The company I currently work for offers a VPN for those who would like to do some of their work from home, but they do so with a mentality of it being a luxury, and if it doesn't work, their option is to go to work. It's a ridiculous policy, and next to no support is offered for it. The company can most definitely afford to support it, but it's not a priority. That could easily be the case in other companies as well.

  48. MOD PARENT UP by Will+Fisher · · Score: 1

    I use stashbox all the time. The shell extension lets me upload a file in 2 clicks (by putting an item on the right click context menu).

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  50. enough...? by toxique · · Score: 0

    still not enough for my pr0n :-)

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  51. Protocols? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's nothing on what protocols these systems support. If you can't get your files to or from the server, then they're useless. Nothing in the article or on the individual company web sites mention that. When will marketers acutally realize that in order to sell a service other than to a few suckers you actually have to be able to use the service. It would be nice if they would tell you if they support rsync, scp, NFS, NCPFS, SMB, AFS, Coda, and so on. How are you supposed to get your files to the site? Drag and drop a few thousand times? No thanks.

  52. I also took some time to reply. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I didn't agree with your original imaginary post, it was well written. I would have taken quite some time to write a rebuttal of excellent quality.
    As you decided not to post it, the time I would have spent replying has been wasted! Your current post is not worth my intelligent reply so I will just say: "You disappoint me you.. you ninconpoop!"

  53. Dude! by Kludge · · Score: 1

    Thanks.
    I would mod you up if I could.

  54. Use what you've got by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 1

    I'm already paying for an always-on broadband connection at home. For no additional cost, I can access as many "Gigabytes of free storage" as I care to hook up to my home system, and I don't have to worry about some corp reading my private documents, either. I don't understand why more people don't do that (or, to put it another way, why there isn't a piece of software that makes doing it easy enough for everyone and their mother). Dynamic IPs are tricky, but the workarounds aren't that hard to come up with.

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  55. I couldn't get XDrive to work for remote XP user by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    xdrive seems to think there's a firewall installed, but there isn't. At least not one that I could find.

  56. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From your post it seems like you handle these things a lot better than the IT at my job. At my workplace when we need something IT related (like a certain program or a database server) we will first contact IT through official means, usually without result; often we don't even get a meaningful answer.
    Then we will try management, but management doesn't like to talk to IT because they don't understand anything IT says. So this will usually not get us anywhere either.

    Finally, we set up something by ourselves and send a request to IT to replace our handywork by something official as soon as possible. This gets us a warning from IT that when it breaks we are on our own. In the beginning we took this seriously and we spent a lot of time fixing problems caused by changes by IT, sometimes even switching to an entirely different program.

    But I have found out (through several incidents) that if it breaks it is a problem for IT anyway. Because, since it worked before, management knows that it can work. So they wil set hell loose on IT if they don't make sure it works again within a few days.

    Now IT calls us "Yokels", but if they actually listened to us and provided the support we need, we wouldn't be working around them. We wouldn't even do anything IT related at all. Unfortunately this kind of situation doesn't seem to be unique to my company at all.

  57. Run your own by Plug · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I spent quite some time looking for a way to run my own web-based file transfer site so accountants could stop e-mailling 10MB data files to each other.

    The best I've seen is Boxroom, an OSS Ruby on Rails application for web based file transfer. With the Mongrel web server it does upload progress, recent versions have had in-file search added, and my employer is currently sponsoring the implementation of virtual hosting in it.

    I would like more people to know about this program - it's very cool, and more developers on it would be certainly be appreciated by all of us who use it!

  58. Smugmug uses it by kefler · · Score: 1

    check out this blog entry for a large-scale use of s3: http://blogs.smugmug.com/onethumb/2006/08/12/amazo n-s3-the-holy-grail/

  59. 200GB storage & 2TB bandwidth/month at bluehos by ComSon0 · · Score: 1

    Bluehost is a shared hosting site, but it gives me 200GB and 2TB of of transfers per month. I also have an shell account via ssh: nice for scp, manually managing files, editing files using vim, etc.
    Please note I did not say emacs sucks, even thou I do think that...
    I guess if you have a clue on how to use Linux, this can be your off-site storage unit for about $7/month.

    I don't know of any other place that can beat this deal...

  60. iSCSI target by Gothmolly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a machine at home running the Linux iSCSI target, and the iSCSI initiator on my laptop. Mount it up just like local storage. Can even swap to it.

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  61. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by don_bear_wilkinson · · Score: 1

    quote: "They need or want something that you, in your capacity as the provider of IT services, are not providing."

    It seems that people many people believe that (their) IT organizations have all the latitude to give their customers whatever they need, much less what they want' but they are just a bunch of lazy, nasty, uncooperative, control freaks who relish the chance to interfere with the work someone is trying to do. (Of course, a LOT of what people are trying to be able to do has nothgin to do with *work* at all, like IM or shopping online, but we'll save that argument for another thread)

    The reality *usually* is that IT is hamstrung by budget, policy, justifications, and little things like time and space.

    If this thing that is needed is truly needed, then it's up to the 'customer' to go through whatever channels and processes are needed to get that capability implemented. In other words, it has to trickle down from the Top. If access to an external storage solution makes sense to THE BUSINESS and if it can be fit into other considerations, then IT will be *given* the money, manpower, resources, etc., to make it happen. If not, it is NOT the fault of IT.

    I get so tired of people who have no idea what it's like to be in IT criticizing things the way they do things. Mostly, but not entirely, it's people who *think* they need something and just want IT to magically pull it out of their asses. And when they can't (no money, no time, violates policy, can't work with existing systems, violates the security provisions that the law requires, etc.) IT gets called blamed. Don't shoot the messenger, people.

    quote: "It's the same reason they set up unofficial file servers and install 'unapproved' applications."

    Or, they do it because they have no respect for the limitations that companies have to function under. Only a very rare few IT teams LIKE to say No. Most of us actually prefer to make people happy and to help companies succeed. But, there are limits. IT is often put in the position of enforcing the limits someone else has decided on. And then, to make it more fun, the people who made the limits never own them. The CEO, et al, never backs up IT by saying "Hey! Lay off the geeks. They are just doing what we told them to." Instead, IT is the scapegoat, caught in the middle.

    "Rather than arrogantly treating those you work with as 'Yokels', you could understand and provide for their needs."

    It's not CURRENTLY the common business model for IT to be empowered to, and responsible for, understanding and providing for their needs. For that to be the case and to actually work, IT would have to have a seat at the Board Meeting. Most companies don't include IT as part of the core business decision process. They are step-children with all the responsibility but none of the authority. The Executive Staff (CEO, CTO, CFO, etc. - if there is a CIO he's probably there as a courtesy/figurehead) has to define and authorize what the company needs to get it's business done. If you don't like it when IT says "No", or is forced to break your toy, complain to the people who actually made the decision.

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  62. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by don_bear_wilkinson · · Score: 1

    quote: "provide instructions for users to import their root cert,"

    That's funny. In most organizations, you can't trust some users to follow instructions on how to change their email signature to include their street address or the like and you think you can get people to update their root cert?

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  63. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by don_bear_wilkinson · · Score: 1

    quote: "In many companies getting an intranet website created on the official webserver requires tons of red tape [...] Then IT wonders why IIS or whatever is running on 47 PCs sitting under desks all over the company, completely unmanaged."

    The red tape is very much NOT likely to be IT's fault. It's likely a result of other requirements, processes, policies and such as dictated by the C*O and or law. And not because IT loves to make your life harder.

    Some people would rather shortcut their way to getting some pet project a little farther along then to notice the bigger picture.

    Yes, I understand, you/we are just trying to meet your own goals and fulfill the expectations and requirements set upon you. It's a survival thing and anything that gets in your way is 'the enemy' by definition. That includes IT. If they can't do what you need on your timetable or whatever, then that puts you in a bad spot.

    Perhaps the *real* problem is with our bosses. They want what they want and they don't want to hear any excuses. Even if the excuse is a legitimate matter of policy/budget/staff/etc., and or stems from a decision made above their heads. But, that's a problem with unreasonable bosses - not with IT trying to fuck you.

    quote: "Likewise in many companies users get a 25MB email quota or something silly like that, and then IT wonders why so many users find ways to go through proxy servers to get to gmail."

    No, we don't wonder. We know that you can't be bothered to manage your email in a reasonable fashion. In your head, servers, disk space, server RAM, HDs, network ports, backup tapes and the IT staff needed to make it all work grow on trees and IT is a bunch of assholes because we simply prefer to mock you while pretending to not be able to pluck another Exchange server out of thin air.

    I have NEVER seen an IT organization who held back on something like email quotas when they were given what they need to give the users more. It's almost always due to budget and other constraints (put in place by others). Give me more money, more staff, more tools and I'll give you whatever you want (that is possible).

    *sheesh*

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  65. Re:rsync.net - simply the best by enselsharon · · Score: 1

    If you are a technical person and like things to work your way, and not xdrives way or mozys way, rsync.net is the way to go.

    They are the only offsite backup provider I have found that supports rdiff-backup and duplicity as well as the normal SSH standards (scp, sftp, rsync).

    What really did it for me, though, was this:

    http://www.rsync.net/philosophy.html

    and _especially this_ :

    http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt

  66. Re:Yippee - 6 more sites to add to the "banned" li by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

    Definitely nicer to work in a small company in that regard. I try to make sure the user's have what they need, we don't lock down the machines and we spent the $$$ on Acronis or Ghost to make periodic images of the systems. Most of our users are well-behaved enough now that I don't worry as much. The ones that aren't, I make sure I always know where the "gold" image is for their machine.

    As for the firewall we simply tell them: "we know what you're doing".

    Now, generally, I don't bother watching the logs to track packets or websites or whatever. But if bandwidth spikes or we start maxing out our line to the public network, the users know that I'm going to start looking for people to name and shame. (I'll actually address the issue privately first.)

    In a small company, you can also say directly to the CEO - we can bump up the per-message limit on e-mail to 20MB, but it's going to require us to spend $10k on new server hardware within the year. So do you want us to spend the $10k or do you want to sit down and have a chat with Jane, Bob and Frank?

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  67. here's my method by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    a combination of webdrive http://www.webdrive.com/
    (to mount dreamhost like a drive letter)
    and vice versa pro http://www.tgrmn.com/

    vvp encryption on the dreamhost side only...

    works VERY well with one exception, webdrive uses 100% of my uplink, 100-120 kb/s not option to throttle it down.
    my temp workaround is that I have VVP set to a max of 30kb/s which means it's slower than the uploads, it releases my bandwidth time to slices of 1/3 available time.

    I really need a way to throttle webdrive on it's own.

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