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9 Laws of Physics That Don't Apply in Hollywood

Ant writes "Neatorama lists nine laws of physics that don't apply in Hollywood (movies and television/TV shows). In general, Hollywood filmmakers follow the laws of physics because they have no other choice. It's just when they cheat with special effects that people seem to forget how the world really works..."

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  1. Been there, done that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    AKA. Mythbusters.

    The "Hollywood special" from a few moths back.

    1. Re:Been there, done that. by pclminion · · Score: 3, Funny

      I got a chance to fire some incendiary rounds recently. Talk about sparking.

    2. Re:Been there, done that. by AJWM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Copper doesn't spark. Iron sparks -- try setting fire to a ball of steel wool sometime. I've heard that some kinds of cheap Eastern block ammo was jacketed in some kind of soft steel rather than copper (cheaper, but kind of rough on the gun barrel), that would spark. Mind, if the shooter's not using an AK-47 or something designed for such ammo, it's bogus.

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    3. Re:Been there, done that. by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 3, Funny

      5.62 Millimeter...
      Full... Metal... Jacket...!!!

      Sorry, couldn't resist. One of my favorite movies of all time.

    4. Re:Been there, done that. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 4, Informative

      7.62.

      M-14, the rifle from the Basic Training there in the first part is a 7.62mm caliber weapon, the M-16 is a 5.56mm

    5. Re:Been there, done that. by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Try firing an incendiary tracer into water (at night). I don't understand the physics of it, but you can see the round move in a spiral like some sort of futuristic rail gun from the movies.

    6. Re:Been there, done that. by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh guys. Please don't fire guns into water!

    7. Re:Been there, done that. by pclminion · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps he is a scuba diver?

    8. Re:Been there, done that. by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mythbusters tried this. Pretty much any high-velocity (supersonic) round is going to disintegrate when it hits water.

      I've watched mythbusters (including that episode) and they can be pretty amusing, but please don't confuse them with actual evidence. It is a TV show mostly about making stuff blow up. I know from personal experience that bullets do not "disintegrate" on contact with water from normal firearms. You can watch incendiary rounds as they go through the water (although they are probably subsonic). I had a friend accidentally shoot himself in the foot with a .22 when he fell through the ice on a pond and the bullet certainly went through quite a bit of water. I once saw a jackass shoot a carp with a shotgun, while it was under about 24 inches of water, and the rounds certainly reached it.

      You'd have to have a VERY low angle to the water to suffer a richocet.

      As young kids we routinely used an old gravel quarry as a shooting range and it was mostly full of water. Someone standing on a typical shoreline and firing at someone or something maybe 20 feet out would experience rounds deflecting off the surface and hitting things on the other side. It is one reason hunters are cautioned about shooting rifles towards water. A rifle round can hit the water and skip half a mile across to the far shore and kill someone.

      Again, mythbusters is TV, do not try to take anything they "prove" as some sort of fact. Half the time, they don't seem to have any real intention of finding out if something can happen, just making a big mess and some explosions. It is entertainment, not science.

    9. Re:Been there, done that. by EvanED · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So when a forensics person fires a gun into water to get rifling marks, are they firing subsonic?

      (Honest question; I don't know much about guns.)

    10. Re:Been there, done that. by pclminion · · Score: 2, Informative

      Again, mythbusters is TV, do not try to take anything they "prove" as some sort of fact. Half the time, they don't seem to have any real intention of finding out if something can happen, just making a big mess and some explosions. It is entertainment, not science.

      I dunno. I think their demonstration with the .50 caliber was pretty conclusive. I don't have a hard time imagining that a supersonic round would disintegrate on impact with water. As you obviously know, a .22 doesn't even compare to that.

      The general pattern was that the slower bullets penetrated further. Sure, the "experiment" wasn't exactly scientific but I buy it.

  2. Same topics all over again by yohanes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems that we have discussed this kind of things so many times. Hollywood are not meant to learn about real world. It is about entertainment.

    1. Re:Same topics all over again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hollywood are not meant to learn about real world. It is about entertainment.

      And that folks, is why we have such films as "An Inconvenient Truth".

    2. Re:Same topics all over again by SengirV · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which is why it's pure comedy gold when they talk about politics.

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    3. Re:Same topics all over again by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes and no. There has to be a willing suspension of disbelief, and frequently Hollywood (and television) assumes that the number of people in the viewership of a particular program is so low it quite happily removes all semblance of reality for that "minority" to the point, not really caring that the entire movie looks utterly ridiculous as a result for that group. What's bizarre to me is how rarely it's necessary for the plot or understandability of the end story for them to do that.

      It would probably serve the plot well for quite a few films if a normal car's cruise control allowed the car to drive unmonitored, or if newspapers talked and responded to spoken database queries. They don't do either because almost the entire audience knows that there is too large a gap between reality and fiction for those specific examples. But if it involves computers, explosions and weapons, gravity, or even breaking glass, anything goes... Hell, sometimes if it's something that everyone knows today is ridiculous but once upon a time was a black-art, they'll get away with it because it's a cliche. Don't forget to hang up the telephone before they're able to trace the call!

      It's worse when so-often the inaccuracies are basicly a Deus Ex Machina to get the hero out of a problem. If Chloe wasn't able to trace the call through the binary, Jack wouldn't know the terrorist's address, and so wouldn't be able to cross Los Angelas in twenty minutes at mid-day to prevent them from using the code they downloaded from the satellite to their PDAs to activate the chemical weapons.

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    4. Re:Same topics all over again by Jorgandar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Imagine how short movies would be if they all followed the laws of physics...Hero fires a handgun at enemy, ducks under a table, gets shot at, runs and jumps off a ledge to the ground below, twists an ankle because the fall was about 5 feet, limps away, and gets killed by gunfire. End of movie.

    5. Re:Same topics all over again by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

      My friend made a similar comment about the original Star Wars..."Imagine if Luke, Leia and Han Solo got crushed in the garbage compactor in the Death Star--end film. Best. Movie. Ever."

    6. Re:Same topics all over again by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to admit, if Hollywood was realistic and didn't have sound in space it would make sci-fi action films pretty dull. It would just have a lot of background music so I let them off on that one.

      BTW, "2001, A Space Odyssey" was true to the no sound in space law and used it to dramatic effect. All you heard was the dull whir of systems in the pods or the astronaut's breathing.

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    7. Re:Same topics all over again by sidb · · Score: 3, Funny

      yes and no

      That belongs in the tags, not the comments.

  3. Intuitor by imaginaryelf · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've always enjoyed intuitor dissect movie physics for some of the more popular movies.

    http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/

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  5. #3 is partially incorrect by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    True enough, radioactivity isn't contagious. Remove the source of radiation, and with any luck, the body will heal. But certain types of radioactive materials DO glow without phosphorus- which in and of itself is a mildly radioactive material. Remember all of those green glow-in-the-dark mechanical clocks from the 1920s to the 1970s? Radium paint is what made them glow. And since light is in the electromagnetic spectrum- just about anything that glows without a power source is indeed "radioactive" to some extent. (note, this doesn't mean all "glow in the dark" materials, just some).

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  6. Add one to that by Mark+Maughan · · Score: 5, Funny

    You don't see people's skeleton glow when they are being electrocuted.

    1. Re:Add one to that by rumkee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thats not true when i was about 10 i was electrocuted and i vividly remember seeing my skeleton, also my hair did stand on end and no i'm not kidding.

    2. Re:Add one to that by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Funny

      You don't see people's skeleton glow when they are being electrocuted.

      You don't, but that's because you're not doing it right.

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  7. 9 Bad Excuses for a Fluff Piece by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Interesting
    First, let me preface this by saying that Hollywood is fiction. I think when we see the tanker truck blow up, the Power Rangers jump-kicking someone in the chest, or Neo fly through the air like Superman, we understand it's fiction. It's called "suspension of disbelief." It's what makes movies enjoyable. No one is really going to think that these things happen as regularly (or at all) in real life as they do in the movies.

    That being said:

    Explosions on the battlefield go boom right away, no matter how far away spectators are. Even a small thing, like the crack of a baseball player's bat, is simultaneous with ball contact, unlike at a real game.

    In most instances that come to mind, the director takes care of this problem by zooming you in on the Volcano, shell explosion, or baseball hit. Once you hear the sound at the source, the director usually cuts away to the actors after the sound has arrived. (As can usually be surmised by the ash and dirt flying at the camera.)

    Hollywood always gets this one wrong. On film, thunder doesn't follow lightning (as in real life, because sound is slower); they occur simultaneously.

    To the human ear, they are effectively simultaneous if the lighting crack is close enough to the observer. Considering how LOUD the director usually chooses to make the thunder, I don't think it's that bad of a summation. How about we start worrying why the actors aren't taking shelter?

    And because radioactive things emit light only when they run into phosphor - like the coating on the inner surface of a TV tube - you don't really need to worry.

    This is actually incorrect. Radioactive "things" can emit light through two other methods:

    1. They grow physically hot enough to glow red-hot or white-hot.

    2. They heavily ionize the air around them, creating pretty streaks and rainbows.

    However, the green-glow often seen in movies and cartoons does usually require the presence of phospher.

    So, when you see a gal kick someone across the room, technically, the kicker (or holder of a gun) must fly across the room in the opposite direction - unless she has a back against the wall.

    Or... the kicker could be properly grounded. If the kicker is properly braced against the ground, it's not impossible to send an unbalanced opponent off his feet. The fact that you can pick an opponent up and toss him in a single motion demonstrates that. That's not to say that the exact situation of many fights isn't ridiculous (excuse me, rediculous), but the physics of the situation don't prevent a kicker from delivering a blow hard enough to knock someone off their feet. Perhaps even to the point of sending them flying. (Though it's unlikely that it would be to the point of many kung-fu movies on strings. There's only so much structural capacity in the human body. After that, you start breaking your own bones.)

    Now when they miss their target and don't go flying across the room... :-P

    But in the movies, buses and cars shouldn't be able to jump across gaps in bridges, even if they go heavy on the accelerator.

    Unless, of course, there is some sort of incline for a takeoff (ever notice how the Duke boys always manage to find that conveniently placed incline?) or the second section is lower than the first, thus allowing for the jump to complete depsite the drop in altitude. (As the camera appeared to make the situation in Speed.)

    The problem, though, is that their voices don't change. In reality, if you slow down motion by a factor of two, the frequency of all sounds should drop by an octave.

    Smash cuts don't exist in real-life, either. Yet we don't complain about those. Slow motion is an entirely artistic thing, and is not related to the physics of the situation. At all.

    Pretty much the rest of his arguments

    1. Re:9 Bad Excuses for a Fluff Piece by badasscat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But the thing that was most ridiculous about this scene was that it was a bus. It's one thing when a Charger jumps a gap with a ramp. A bus, even going very fast, is going to have plenty of time where its front end is falling while the back end is still supported and even going up on the ramp. The result is going to be angular momentum imparted to the bus. So what should have happened is the front end of the bus dipped down faster than the center of mass, causing it to miss the lower section and end up landing upside down on the ground below.

      Well, but you do realize they did actually jump a bus, right? This scene was not done through CGI or with a helicopter towing a bus over the gap. The bus really jumped through speed and momentum alone. The gap was not there - it was added later digitally (or rather, the freeway was erased) - but the bus did jump that distance.

      Granted, it was a) a specially modified stunt bus on a ramp, and b) pretty much totally destroyed by the jump. But it's proof that you can jump a bus. It would not behave exactly as you describe. Keep in mind most buses are back-heavy, so with enough speed to keep the bus relatively level as it went over the ramp, the rear would actually drop as it moved through the air, not the front. With a short enough jump (as is all a bus is really capable of), the bus would probably come close to landing on all four wheels when all is said and done.

      (Side-note - according to Wikipedia, they actually had to shoot the jump twice because on the first shot, the bus made the jump too smoothly, which supports what I'm saying above.)

    2. Re:9 Bad Excuses for a Fluff Piece by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um... recall Galileo... the back of the bus being heavier will not cause it to fall any faster than the lighter front. Neglecting air resistance, but with something the mass of a bus that's not so bad an assumption.

      You're right, they DID jump a bus. BUT, they had a special kicker on the end of the ramp that dropped after the front wheels went over. Watch the scene again... see how the front wheels seem to leap up? There's a documentary around somewhere showing how everything worked and the actual bus jump, but I can't remember where I saw it or what it was called.

      Even a car will always land hard on its front wheels (if you're lucky) or its nose or roof (if you're not) after going off a static ramp.

    3. Re:9 Bad Excuses for a Fluff Piece by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless, of course, there is some sort of incline for a takeoff (ever notice how the Duke boys always manage to find that conveniently placed incline?)

      The Duke's of Hazard jumps weren't 'special effects', just 'stunts'. They actually had cars do those jumps, and thus were constrained with the actual laws of physics.

      Of course, those jumps also completely trashed the cars, as it's impossible to land a car flat from a jump like that. So either there's a lot of work on the car, evening out the weight and installing special shocks and framework, or the car isn't going to be able to drive away.

      Smash cuts don't exist in real-life, either. Yet we don't complain about those. Slow motion is an entirely artistic thing, and is not related to the physics of the situation. At all.

      Yeah, that complaint was just dumb. We might as well ask what sort of vehicle can smoothly go from miles up in space right up to the action with no reentry problems, for those long pan-ins. Or what allows the camera to teleport from location to location, sometimes even backwards and forward in time, and what sort of fairies put up those location descriptions at the bottom of the screen or why they do that. Or how the camera manages to go through walls and people's bodies and stuff.

      The camera does not obey the laws of physics, because, duh, the camera does not exist in the movie universe, neither does how it alters our perception of the action exist in the movie universe, barring some fourth-wall and meta-narrative comedies. (There are plenty of interact-with-the-camera moments in comedy, but I'm also thinking of the 'running in slow motion' gag in one of the Scary Movie movies.)

      Slow motion isn't the only issue here. Think about the camera effects in Traffic, where different 'worlds' had deliberately different 'camera styles', or cartoons where camera glare is added in. A whole movie could be displayed upside down or back to front and that won't alter the physics of the movie universe, although it would be very confusing. There are conventions film makers follow, just like people who write books often use 'chapters', but that has nothing to do with the world the work of art is describing.

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    4. Re:9 Bad Excuses for a Fluff Piece by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's a documentary around somewhere showing how everything worked and the actual bus jump, but I can't remember where I saw it or what it was called.
      If you are referring to the HBO documentary about the making of "Speed," you saw it on HBO, and it's called The Making of "Speed."
  8. perfect vacuum by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about the fact that there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum?

    Hollywood movies suck so much it seems like they violate this one.

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    1. Re:perfect vacuum by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about the fact that there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum?

      How do you mean? I not aware of too many situations where Hollywood pretends there is?

      For example, Star Trek has something called a "Navigational Deflector". This is a device (sort of a reverse tractor beam) that sweeps ahead of the ship and removes small particles from its path before they cause a catastrophe. Similarly, shows that posit the existence of hyperspace deal with this from the perspective of hyperspace being a shortcut to another place in space-time. Taking this shortcut does not necessarily convey any great velocity. Travel through "normal" space is usually done at relative velocities that are not dangerous in a non-perfect vacuum.
    2. Re:perfect vacuum by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

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      Um, he was saying that Hollywood movies themselves ARE a perfect vacuum, in that they suck so much. Not a particularly funny joke, but a joke.

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  9. Number #1 broken rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time is rarely shown as continuous, forward moving, and in real time.

    They are always using edits, skipping stuff and even going backwards and forwards. Really makes it hard to enjoy a film with your sense of reality totally shattered.

    1. Re:Number #1 broken rule by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which is why 24 is the most realistic show ever. The only unrealistic part is that we have to believe that everyone coordinates their bathroom breaks for the commercials.

      Seems to me one day the terrorists will take advantage of that, and move when they know Jack is on the can.

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  10. Umm... by geoffspear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're going to write an article about the laws of physics, shouldn't you actually understand the laws of physics? "Equal and opposite reaction" doesn't mean that when I kick someone and they go flying in one direction, I must go flying in the opposite direction at the same speed, unless I had no momentum toward them before impact. In which case, umm, it would be kind of hard for me to hit them.

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    1. Re:Umm... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're going to write an article about the laws of physics, shouldn't you actually understand the laws of physics? Dude, hello - this is Slashdot? People "knowledgeably" comment on science here all the time without benefit of actually understanding the subject.
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    2. Re:Umm... by computational+super · · Score: 2

      In real life, people or large animals tends to stand there for a second after being hit...

      All the people I know that really got thrown through windows suffered life-threatening...

      You do know that just posting anonymously doesn't necessarily protect you against the people who are searching for you in the witness protection program, right?

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    3. Re:Umm... by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but the "equal and opposite reaction" doesn't mean that the 2 objects involved have equla and opposite momentum after the collision; if all of my momentum is transferred to the person I kick, the equal and opposite force I feel is, by definition, exactly enough to leave me at rest, rather than moving in the other direction.

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  11. Re:Outerspace is Cold by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    The fluid promptly freezes because, as we all know, outerspace is really, really cold.

    That one bugged me about a recent Battlestar Galactica, as well. Inside the room, the characters were freezing because the air was leaking away. (Thus cooling the room.) I can accept that. But once they're blasted into space? Not a chance of freezing. No air for cooling == no loss of heat. (Actually, you can still lose it slowly through black-body radiation, but that's another topic.) Human skin is pretty good at holding pressure, so the big things are:

    - Don't hold your breath (unnecessary internal pressure)
    - Close your eyes (they're more susceptable to decompression)

    See the research into the Space Activity Suit for more info.
  12. also partially incorrect by swschrad · · Score: 4, Informative

    radium paint didn't glow because radium did... not in that concentration, or in those colors. the radium was mixed into a heavy coat of standard enamel with a whole bunch of phosphorescent pigments, which glowed.

    until they burned out. old WWII radio dial markings from military gear have a lot of brown markings. they are radium paint with the phosphors all burnt out atomically, like a ghost image on a burned-in computer screen or monitor screen on an ATM. still radioactive and dangerous if ingested.

    radium, polonium, radiocobalt, and other strong alpha emitters will emit a Czerinkon glow of blue when in the presence of hydrogen or water, which may be what you are thinking of. the blue glow is that of ionized hydrogen from the alpha hits, however, and should be thought of as a form of phosphorescence.

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    1. Re:also partially incorrect by Conor · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean Cherenkov radiation? This is not due to ionisation, but instead is the optical equivalent of a sonic boom, caused by particles moving faster than the local speed of light. It causes the blue glow seen in containment ponds of nuclear power stations, but is also produced in air by cosmic rays.

  13. Re:Some points aren't valid by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I punch a punching bag, the bag moves but I don't. That is because my fist has the energy which transfers to the bag. I don't go flying backwards as the article suggests.

    Friction, dude. Try the experiment again on roller skates.

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  14. #4 and #5 by MeanderingMind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've got two complaints about #4.

    1) The point of the Matrix was to bend the laws of physics. It was rather explicit.

    2) The author obviously never watched Bruce Lee in action. If you plant yourself correctly you can send people flying across the room without moving an inch yourself. However, if you're in midair you certainly can't without the mentioned conversion of momentum.

    Also concerning #5.

    1) If it's a hole with level ends on both sides, it is entirely impossible to jump it on car without a ramp or other device to add a vertical component to velocity. However, in the event of a bridge being raised for a boat, the angle can potentially allow a vehicle to "jump" the gap. Is it likely or feasible? Not particularly, but it is possible.

    2) This could have been expanded to include the "Bombs do not drop straight down" category of gravitational violation. A plane flying at high horizontal velocity v over a stationary target is not capable of dropping a bomb without horizontal velocity. Unless it fires the bomb backwards at a relative velocity -v, in which case we can have a semantic argument over whether the bomb is being dropped or fired.

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    1. Re:#4 and #5 by MeanderingMind · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is possible. However, it takes time. For a raindrop the amount of inertia is very small as it has a small mass. For a bomb, it has a much higher inertia and as such it will take longer to lose a horizontal component.

      Without resistance, the vertical component eventually might dwarf the horizontal.

      However, if you look at a movie like Pearl Harbor you'll see planes dropping bombs straight down without any horizontal component at all. There's no initial velocity with is dwarved or diminshed. There is simply a straight drop.

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    2. Re:#4 and #5 by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's been a while since I was in a physics class, but how would you explain those executive desktop toys that have the set of 5 steel balls that go klick klack.

      I've trained in various martial arts all my life. At one point in my life I was at an engineering school and I trained briefly with a class run by two physics professors. It really changes your perspective on some aspects of sparring when the instructor starts the class with, "you all know that f=ma, so let me show you haw to add the ground to your 'm' and increase your 'a' so the resulting 'f' sends your opponent flying."

      That said, if you're not in contact with the ground, you will we recoiling when you hit an opponent and no they are not likely to go flying through the air when you strike them unless you are specifically throwing them or you are an idiot. The amount of force needed to move a person a significant distance is much, much, much greater than the amount of force needed to disable or kill a person if directed more effectively. I've seen video of Bruce Lee and he was amazingly fast and as a result transferred a lot of force because of the acceleration involved, but I never saw him hit someone and send them flying across a room.

  15. Other laws by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fast paced music doesn't really play when something exciting happens. Not everyone in real life looks like a hollywood actor. If people speak in a foreign language, you don't actually see an English language translation at the bottom of the screen. I tend to be pretty easy going on most non-realism since it is just there to tell a story. If the plot relies on a complete failure to grasp some basic fundamental of physics, (e.g. The Day After Tomorrow), I tend to be a lot more critical.

    1. Re:Other laws by Grashnak · · Score: 2, Funny

      And let us not forget that most people don't immediately put their underwear and pjs on after having drunken one-night stands, thereby allowing them to get up all embarassed but fully clothed in the morning.

      Everytime I see that I laugh out loud. Like, babe, 6 hours ago you were chugging his cock, and NOW you're embarassed?

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    2. Re:Other laws by Dread_ed · · Score: 3, Funny

      In a strange reversal, I sometimes notice the conspicuous absence of "danger music" when I am driving too fast or shoplifting.

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  16. Re:Outerspace is Cold by xtracto · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Something which is not really "physics" but I found interesting is about Suppressors:

    1. They are called Sound Suppressors not "silencers". They do not "silence" the sound just diminish it.
    2. They do not really suppress the sound the way movies put it (I am looking at you Mr. Bauer).

    Motion pictures have produced the common misconception that sound suppressors ("silencers") completely silence the weapon's sound, or reduce it to a quiet whistling sound, which is in most cases very far from the truth. In fact, the emergent noise can still be heard from a fairly large distance. The quiet whistling sound associated with silencers is more attributable to the noise made by air guns 3. (And the most interesting for me) They are good just for a small number of shots (Yeah, again looking at you Mr. Bauer)

    Very effective suppressors either involve a large total suppressor volume, a moderately large volume plus many baffles, or wipes. It is possible to design a very small and compact suppressor with wipes which effectively silences a pistol; these suppressors have a lifetime of as few as 4-5 shots and typically no more than a few magazines of ammunition. Larger wipeless (baffle only) pistol or rifle suppressors may be nearly as effective for long lifetimes (hundreds or thousands of shots) but are relatively bulky, clumsy, and heavy.
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  17. Re:Outerspace is Cold by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I often wondered whether if you were in a vacuum you might even overheat? Since theres no air convection taking heat away from your body and any sweat would immediately vapourise as it came out your pores so it wouldn't have a chance to spread over your skin and cool you.

  18. Wile E. Coyote by kfstark · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am a firm believer in the ability to break the law of gravity.

    I was out surfing and paddled into a wave. When I jumped up to my feet, I missed the sweet spot of the wave and ended up on the breaking part instead (ie. not a good location). To this day I swear the wave dropped out from under me followed by the board while I hung there in midair. Misquoting Douglas Adams, "gravity finally looked my way and wondered what the hell I was doing" and down I went. The couple of people who saw it were sure I was surfing a board made by "Acme".

    It was a really bizarre physical sensation I have not been able to adequately explain. (or recreate).

    --Keith

    1. Re:Wile E. Coyote by inviolet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was out surfing and paddled into a wave. When I jumped up to my feet, I missed the sweet spot of the wave and ended up on the breaking part instead (ie. not a good location). To this day I swear the wave dropped out from under me followed by the board while I hung there in midair. Misquoting Douglas Adams, "gravity finally looked my way and wondered what the hell I was doing" and down I went. The couple of people who saw it were sure I was surfing a board made by "Acme".

      That's possible: the water could pull the board downward faster than 9.8m/s/s due to surface tension. The board is somewhat 'stuck' to the surface of the water.

      The same effect could explain how the water itself fell faster than 9.8m/s/s: wave action elsewhere created a suction below the water, such that atmospheric pressure above the water pressed down on it (and on the board), adding to the downward accelleration already provided by gravity.

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  19. Exploding buildings, too by ciaohound · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I lived in Fremont, CA when "Terminator II" was being filmed. For the Cyberdyne office building to be blown up, the crew put something like a hundred gallons of gasoline on the roof and ignited it. The result is a big fireball, which for viewers equates to "big explosion," but it's not, really. Most explosives don't produce flames. A hand grenade, for instance, makes a little whiff of black powder, no flames, but I guess movie directors and most audience members expect to see flames shooting out all over the place.

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  20. the most famous example is not mentioned by swschrad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    basically because the western has been out of favor for a long time.

    I refer, of course, to the infamous 250-shot revolver.

    basically, back in the black and white days, nobody EVER reloaded their guns.

    you never saw any recoil, either, but that's because those movies were made when men were MEN and sheep ran scared, and those actors were truly made of steel, riding horses at a full gallop and able to hit a bad guy in the back of the head from 300 yards with a pistol with a four-inch barrel. and their arms never moved when the revolvers and rifles fired.

    and the scenery along the trail repeated itself every 60 yards or so, but then we're not going for the top 2,000,327 movie lies here, are we?

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    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
    1. Re:the most famous example is not mentioned by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We used to count the shots. I read somewhere that they were really 30-shooters. Supposedly the blanks loaded were good for 5 shots each. Couldn't get a quick fact check on that, so I have no reference, but I don't recall ever seeing more than that without a scene change. I give the movie wranglers full marks for gun training those horses, though. I ride a lot, and if I ever touched off a shot over my horse's head like that, I'd be in the dirt before I ever got off a second shot.

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      Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
    2. Re:the most famous example is not mentioned by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I refer, of course, to the infamous 250-shot revolver.

      basically, back in the black and white days, nobody EVER reloaded their guns.

      Hollywood still does that. But with modern weapons being capable of holding an indeterminate size of clip (as opposed to the standard six-shooter), it's difficult to call them on it. They just throw a few clip ejections into the fray to make it seem like the characters are really reloading.

      You can kind of call them on double-barreled shotguns, but Hollywood has slowly phased those out for pump-action weapons. Of course, those are similarly amusing, but for different reasons. I was just watching an old episode of Sliders the other day where the characters are carrying pump-action shotguns. Every time they cut to a new scene, the characters would re-pump their shotguns. Which was rather amusing considering that they hadn't fired a single round...
    3. Re:the most famous example is not mentioned by moeinvt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Every time they cut to a new scene, the characters would re-pump their shotguns."

      I friggin HATE that! They do the same thing with lever-action rifles. I guess that could be a "Law of Physics"

      i.e. "When there is a shell in the chamber of a 12 gauge shotgun, and you work the action, the shell is ejected."

      There are plenty of "Laws of Firearms" that Hollywood doesn't obey.

      The fact that they have weapons that never need to be reloaded, pistols that can shoot down aircraft or blow up vehicles, and rounds that send the unfortunate victim flying through the air is probably the reason they have such strict gun control laws out there. Not that it matters, because most of the bad guys can't shoot worth a damn anyway.

    4. Re:the most famous example is not mentioned by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not that it matters, because most of the bad guys can't shoot worth a damn anyway.


      That's one of my peeves. They're always showing the bad guys shooting dozens of rounds at the hero, and they always miss. If I was that bad a shot, I think I'd retire from crime.
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  21. Never mind hollywood by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am becoming more convinced that people watch series like 24 or The Unit and are mistakenly under the impression that they are accurate representations of US capability. Vast computing power at everyones fingertips, satellites retasked at a moments notice for real time video, instant communication anywhere in the world, highly sophisticated gadgets that never fail in the field and of course clairvoyant and all knowing agents. No surprise the US has been so gung-ho lately.

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    What truth?
    There is no dupe
    1. Re:Never mind hollywood by Timex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am becoming more convinced that people watch series like 24 or The Unit and are mistakenly under the impression that they are accurate representations of US capability. It's no worse than what is rumoured to have happened when Tom Clancy's book, "Hunt for Red October" came out: People at the Pentagon were wondering why they hadn't been kept "in the loop" about certain technologies.

      They completely forgot that Clancy's work was fiction, and that he used well-known facts (such as certain ships or weapons and their publicly-known capabilities) as support material to add to the story.

      It's bad enough that in the movie of the same title, the torpedo used to sink the Soviet Alpha was a wooden dummy with a "self-destruct mechanism".
      --
      When politicians are involved, everyone loses.
    2. Re:Never mind hollywood by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Scary, but all too true.

      Frightening to think that grown adults still think that real life is like a television show or movie. Do they think that 80 lb. girls go around beating the Hell out 200 lb. vampires too? Do they think that groups of 20-somethings working in coffee shops are really able to afford vast New York City lofts? Do they think that there is any way Jack Tripper ISN'T gay?

      -Eric

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    3. Re:Never mind hollywood by jlf278 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "I am becoming more convinced that people watch series like 24 or The Unit and are mistakenly under the impression that they are accurate representations of US capability"

      I'm more concerned that people watching 24 will believe that terrorists are that capable. Seriously, I've heard people say that 24 shouldn't be aired because it will give terrorists working ideas on what to do. It's also sad that people believe there are an endless stream of highly skilled mercenaries and inside-men in the U.S. willing to murder thousands of innocent people for a million dollars.

    4. Re:Never mind hollywood by captainjaroslav · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget this idea, also promoted by 24: torture actually works.

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      I'm just sayin'.
  22. Re:Outerspace is Cold by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since theres no air convection taking heat away from your body and any sweat would immediately vapourise as it came out your pores so it wouldn't have a chance to spread over your skin and cool you.

    When you sweat, the fluids come from inside your body. Since they're already heated, they will carry away some of the heat when they vaporize. So you'd probably die of other causes long before you overheated.

    In the Space Shuttle, however, the bay doors are opened for heat rejection when in flight. Unlike the "cold" problem we see in Star Trek whenever they lose power (e.g. TNG: Booby Trap), they're far more likely to overheat due to the heat rejection systems being inoperable. (Presumably, a ship like the Enterprise would have a circulatory system that would pump heat from the inside of the ship to the outer skin, where it would be rejected as black body radiation.)
  23. 1 Law of Computers That Doesn't Apply in ... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Funny

    1 Law of Computers That Doesn't Apply in Hollywood: Computer passwords cannot always be guessed in 3 tries.

    --
    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
    1. Re: 1 Law of Computers That Doesn't Apply in ... by JFMulder · · Score: 2, Funny

      cannot always be guessed in 3 tries.
      Unless you are getting a blowjob. Then all bets are off.

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  25. Copper doesn't spark by spun · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the intuitor.com site mentioned in a post below:

    Typical handgun bullets are made of copper-clad lead or lead alloys. They simply don't create bright flashes of light when they strike objects, even if the objects are made of steel. In the chemical industry it's commonplace to limit maintenance workers to copper-alloy or lead hammers when they are working in areas where flammable fumes may be present. Hammers made of these materials do not produce sparks when they strike objects, while steel hammers can. If you've never noticed this phenomenon with steel hammers, don't be surprised, the sparks generally are barely visible even under ideal lighting conditions.

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    - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    1. Re:Copper doesn't spark by Dirtside · · Score: 2, Funny

      "the sparks generally are barely visible even under ideal lighting conditions"

      Do they mean, uh, darkness? :)
      --
      "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    2. Re:Copper doesn't spark by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

      "the sparks generally are barely visible even under ideal lighting conditions"

      Do they mean, uh, darkness? :)

      Mood lighting. If you want sparks, you need mood lighting, a little vino, and some sexy R&B.
      --
      - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    3. Re:Copper doesn't spark by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 2, Informative

      On the other hand, if you're inside a fencing helmet (steel mesh), and someone runs the tip of their blade (steel pointy object) across your mask at high speed, the sparks are extremely visible, at least to you. Onlookers tend to be less impressed.

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      the more accurate the calculations became, the more the concepts tended to vanish into thin air. R. S. Mulliken
  26. silencers by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you can't kill him with five shots, then you shouldn't be doing the job in the first place.

    Don't forget that you want to use a lower grain count in your rounds, to reduce muzzle velocity. The last thing you need is the "pop" of a supersonic bullet giving you away. To compensate for the reduced muzzle velocity, use a bigger caliber to get the same stopping power.

    So: large caliber, reduced power round, flash/sound suppressor on the barrel.

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    The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain
  27. Middle C by OhEd · · Score: 4, Funny

    The article says that the frequency of middle C is 256 Hz. Sorry, no, it's approximately 261.6Hz. Analysis: the article is quite flat.

    1. Re:Middle C by superpenguin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The quasi-official frequency for middle C is, as the original poster mentioned, 261.6ish. The rub lies in the fact that the only really "official", or at least widely accepted, standard of concert pitch defines A (as 440Hz), not C. On an equal tempered instrument, as most pianos are tuned, C will then end up at 261.6Hz. However, most other instruments allow on-the-fly adjusting of pitch (strings, winds, brass), which, at least in the hands of a capable performer, can result in being better in tune than an equal-tempered piano, as equal-temperment is a compromise that results in all intervals being slightly out of tune so that you can play in any key equally well (or equally poorly, depending on your point of view).

      There's a handy little chart on Wikipedia for the frequencies of each note given equal temperment on A=440.

      Now, for the historical aspect, take a look at that chart and consider that a common Baroque (17th and 18th centuries) tuning was A=413, which means about a half step flat to modern tuning. However, during the same period, it was not terribly uncommon to have a tuning as high as A=475 (over a half step sharp).

      Even though we've more or less settled on A=440, the parent poster is correct that modern orchestras often get higher than that to create a brighter sound (although usually not much higher than A=445). This occasionally results in something of an arms race, although there's only so high you can go before the instruments start acting up. This arms race can also happen on a personal level. One of my cello teachers used to play in a European orchestra, where this sort of thing is somewhat more common, and he said that sometimes there would be players who would purposely tune sharp to the orchestra so they would stick out (generally speaking, if you're sharp to the ensemble, you sound bright, and if you're flat, you sound out of tune).

      Interestingly enough, although I have not researched this, from anecdotal evidence it appears that string instruments tend to be a bit friendlier when tuned flat of A=440. I first noticed this when comparing two recordings of the Kodaly Suite for Solo Cello. One recording I had (Janos Starker) was more or less concert pitch, but the Yo-Yo Ma recording was about a half-step flat of A=440. I discussed this discrepancy with my teacher at the time and his response was that he had tried tuning his cello like that for solo work, and found it to be "looser" and more responsive and forgiving. Because string instruments behave better when they're kept consistently in tune to one standard, and because I do a lot of orchestral playing, I haven't experimented with this much, but I have noticed times when both my cello and my bass felt better, and then later realized that they'd drifted flat (which happens if you only tune the instrument to itself for a while).

      All that to say that while A tends to drift higher and higher if left unchecked, we might be better off if we actually went flat of concert pitch.

      Oh yeah, and I find C=256 very handy for back-of-the-napkin calculations, since it means easy powers of two for each octave.

      /musician rambling

  28. Pet Gun Peeve by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Informative

    On a related firearms note, they always f*** with the depiction of double action revolvers. When the actor checks to see if it's loaded, they release the catch and swing the cylinder out. They always spin it, and they always dub in the clicking sound of spinning the cylinder of a single action revolver (think cowboy Colt Peacemaker, where the cylinder doesn't swing out). In real life, they don't make any sound when you do that.

    --
    Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
    1. Re:Pet Gun Peeve by korbin_dallas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mine is always the firefight with M-16s.
      After firing 800 rounds with one magazine, the actors start talking to each other calmly.

      Try this, fire 4 rounds from an AR-15(or M-16 if your lucky) with no earplugs.
      Now try to hear ANYTHING.

      Your ears will be ringing like churchbells.

      The 5.56 is such a high pitch that it rings your ears very easily.

      --
      They Live, We Sleep
    2. Re:Pet Gun Peeve by fireman+sam · · Score: 4, Funny

      It also appears they lack a sense of humor.

      --
      it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
    3. Re:Pet Gun Peeve by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Informative

      What about the number of times a gun is cocked? And what person would ever enter a gun battle in progress without one in the chamber? They wait until they have snuck up on the bad guy, then put one in the chamber as the bad guy is still looking the other way.

    4. Re:Pet Gun Peeve by mi · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was in the U.S. Marines and fired my M16 many times with no earplugs and had no issues.

      How do you know, you weren't talking lauder after firing?

      Do you think Marines in combat are running around with earplugs?

      You missed his/her first paragraph — about talking to each other calmly. Combatants don't do that — not with own side, not with the enemy.

      --
      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    5. Re:Pet Gun Peeve by budgenator · · Score: 3, Informative

      What surprised me was how much it hurt to be shot at with a M-16; I was in the pits on a known distance range and the sonic boom from the bullets passing over head 4 feet away was enough to start a brain-buster headache even with earplugs.

      My pet peve with holleywood is mortars, they drop a 81mm down the tube and they put a little ploop on the sound track that sounds like a wine cork being pulled. a 40mm grenade launcher like a M79 or a M203 makes a little ploop but a mortar goes Ker-fucking-Boom loud enough to slap your cheeks against your gums.

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    6. Re:Pet Gun Peeve by JimDaGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know what you mean. I remember pulling targets in Marine Corps boot camp. We would duck down and and hear the round fly over-head. We would then pull down the target, look for the hit, place a marker over it and then hold up a big "stick" to show the shooter where the shot was. If it was a miss, we would just wave the marker stick across the target.

      Man, I miss Marine boot camp. It was a lot of fun :-)

      I fired my M203. Boy I missed them. Yeah, they make a nice bang.

      I remember during my Marine boot, when we did live grenades, some dude threw his like a girl. It did not go far enough to be in a "safe zone" so the instructor with him threw him into the trench pit (I don't remember if there was a Corps name for it). Me and my fellow recruits were all in a building in-line waiting for our turn. However, we were able to watch what was going on. I remember when that grenade went off. I can not imagine how something so small could make suck an explosion. The force from the grenade was just incredible.

      Man I miss the Marines bootcamp :-)

      --
      General, you are listening to a machine! Do the world a favor and don't act like one.
    7. Re:Pet Gun Peeve by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      (personally I think its a shame our boys in the sandbox are stuck with the M16 when there are better calibers and platforms available... FN-FAL is my choice...) The two years I spent in Afghanistan, I thanked my lucky stars that you "stopping power" nuts didn't get your way. 5.56mm has plenty-nuff kill-kill in it. We're not hunting deer or bear. We don't need a 12 pound, three-and-a-half foot, 20 round mag monster weighing us down, getting caught trying to exit vehicles, and reducing our ammo count while increasing its weight. 99.999% of the time we aren't shooting at people. Face it, .30-cal went the way of the dinosaur FORTY YEARS AGO--- it ain't comin' back to the rank and file. The M-16 works for what we use it for.
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    8. Re:Pet Gun Peeve by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 2, Funny

      A real marine should be able to carry a chain saw, a pistol, a shot gun, a chain gun, a plasma rifle, and a rocket launcher. Each with several cases of ammo.

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      I often have trouble remembering which way is out of bed in the morning.
    9. Re:Pet Gun Peeve by FurryFeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a real macho shit. But I can't help but notice you didn't answer the man's question.

    10. Re:Pet Gun Peeve by mvdwege · · Score: 2, Informative

      That theory fits when the enemy is throwing concussion grenades. Those just make a godawful loud bang and displace a lot of air (hence the loud bang of course). The purpose is that the shockwaves will force the enemy down, either by the force of the blast, or by laying down like you heard.

      The other type of grenade, the fragmentation grenade, produces a smaller bang, but if you're in the blast radius, you're screwed, because it showers hot, sharp fragments of casing everywhere. If you're in the blast, you'll be hit, lying down won't save you.

      Of course, lying down to avoid the blast effects of a concussion grenade won't help much, as you'll be prone against the inevitable close assault that follows a concussion grenade attack.

      Side note: this assumes explosions in more or less open spaces. In enclosed spaces the lethality is reversed, the larger blast making the concussion grenade more lethal.

      Mart
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  29. on "no sound in space", "speed of sound", etc by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder if these people also complain when the camera has an overhead shot, since in real life people always see things at eye level.
    It's a matter of perspective. In a movie, the perspective is mutable. Don't think two asteroids colliding makes a sound? Try living inside an asteroid.
    "Sound doesn't travel through a vacuum!" and "Sound doesn't occur when things happen to objects which are in a vacuum!" are two different and unrelated concepts.

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    -- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
  30. Re:Vacuums and Muzzle Flash by jnaujok · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is mostly due to the fact that Hollywood uses stage weapons, which have no projectile in front of the explosive. Having gotten to fire a whole plethora of movie weapons when working in theatre productions, I've seen these things up close. Without the projectile to provide back-pressure in the muzzle, the initial ignition which occurs at the back of the shell pushes the un-burned powder forward and out of the barrel where it burns as it escapes. This is what produces the huge muzzle flash in the movies.

    Mind you, the weapons master also told me that they often add other things (corn starch, non-dairy creamer, etc.) to enhance the flash when they're shooting movies, because most directors like the effect so much.

    In fact, most of the explosions that you see don't use gasoline any more either. Apparently non-dairy creamer produces a much better (and less dangerous to store) explosion. In fact, if you put a one gallon jug of non-dairy (powdered) creamer around a flash powder charge, you can get a 30 foot fireball. (My dad worked in pyrotechnics shows.)

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  31. Things still have to make sense by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think when we see the tanker truck blow up, the Power Rangers jump-kicking someone in the chest, or Neo fly through the air like Superman, we understand it's fiction. It's called "suspension of disbelief." It's what makes movies enjoyable. No one is really going to think that these things happen as regularly (or at all) in real life as they do in the movies.

    But the power rangers were established as having super powers, and superhero stuff generally gets a pass and sits more in the fantasy realm anyway. Neo did most of his tricks inside a virtual reality where the laws of phsycis are defined by the programmer and redefined by the hacker.

    Lots of artistic things are done to improve the quality of the movie that don't necessarily translate to real life.

    Agreed here. Too many film geeks complain about "innaccuracies" when what really happened was artistic license. The orientation of moon phases is a common one. Even "2001" gets dinged for that.

  32. Re:Outerspace is Cold by i_should_be_working · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, like you and the two responses above me, I was really skeptical of this "freezing in space" idea. I even told a student that a reference they had cited was wrong in claiming that you would freeze to death in the Sun's corona, the argument being that you wouldn't freeze for the same reason you wouldn't burn: no particles to transport heat.

    But I recently found out, from a colleague over beer, that loss of heat from blackbody radiation is actually much faster than I thought. In the old days, in non-cold places, some people (ancient Egyptions among others) would actually make ice, basically by letting water in a deep, dark place radiate it's heat away. Sure it took hours, and it had to be already pretty cold outside, but considering that the water was also being continually warmed by all the air around it, that's pretty impressive for "only" blackbody radiation.

    It's pretty easy to calculate heat loss. According to this, in our 293K atmosphere we lose 95W. In a 2.7K vaccuum this translates to 640W, due to us not getting any energy back from the atmosphere. With an average human body heat capacity of 3470 Joules per Kelvin per Kilo, a 70Kg person will drop to the freezing point from 305K in less than 3 and a half hours.

    Ok, so that's pretty slow. Damn those movies suck.

  33. Mirror here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    god damn people - Learn to use Mirrordot / CoralCache / Google Cache / WHATEVER

    MIRROR

  34. Re:Outerspace is Cold by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, sweat works because the evaporation process is endothermic. When water turns from liquid to gas it consumes heat. That's why you can cool down to 98.6F even when its 105F outside. That's also why a room with a "cool mist" humidifier consisting of a fan and a sponge-like filter will cool down several degrees.

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  35. For Animators by blamanj · · Score: 2, Funny

    The discussion wouldn't be complete without a reference to the Cartoon Laws of Physics.

  36. Re:Outerspace is Cold by 0123456 · · Score: 2

    "unless this is what you mean with a locked bolt, which i assume it is,"

    Um, yes.

    "but in that case, you'd have to reload after each shot.."

    Well, you have to manually cycle the action to load the next round. But if you're using that kind of gun you're probably expecting to kill your target with one shot anyway.

    But with subsonic ammunition, even the silenced MP5 firing full auto isn't horribly loud. You'd hear it from a reasonable distance away, but probably wouldn't even realise it was a gun until you saw bullet-holes appearing in people. With supersonic ammunition the sonic boom from the bullets would certainly make it obvious, but the low noise from the gun would still make it difficult to spot.

  37. Re:Outerspace is Cold by Shooter6947 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wrong. As you sit in front of your computer, you exchange heat with your environment in three ways simultaneously: (1) conduction, (2) convection, (3) radiation.

    The part you are referring to is heat transfer mechanism (1), conduction, as your body heats cooler air molecules around you. Mechanism (2), as occurs when those heated air molecules rise toward the top of the room making room for cooler ones, also requires air.

    However, mechanism (3), the most effective of the three, does not require any medium at all. You, like all baryonic matter, emit electromagnetic radiation with frequencies and intensities as described by blackbody radiation, dependent on temperature. An object twice as hot gives of 16 times as much heat in radiation per unit time.

    Normally, when sitting in front of your computer, you are radiating like mad, and so losing heat. However, so are the walls of your apartment. Those walls, being nearly the same temperature as you are, heat you to a large degree, making up for the heat that you are losing to radiation. Hence if, on a cold night, you are walking down a hallway in which one wall has a fireplace behind it, you immediately notice how warm the wall is without coming anywhere near it.

    Considering that the "walls" in space are the 2.73K cosmic microwave background radiation, and that a person's temperature is more like 300K, you would radiate 10^8 times more energy than your receive. You'd freeze in a hurry.

    Now, if there's a star heating you from one side, this can partially make up the difference. You still get the one-side-super-hot and one-side-super-cold problem, then, like the surface of Earth's moon writ small.

  38. Laws of Physiques by srussia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems that we have discussed this kind of things so many times. Hollywood are not meant to learn about real world. It is about entertainment. Agree. On the other hand, I don't see anyone complaining about Hollywood films breaking the laws of physiques. Just look at Jessica Biel (sorry, Natalie Portman is all /.-memed out, and physique is the new hot grits thanks to Borat).
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    Set your phasers on "funky"!
  39. Tyres squealing by caluml · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do they have car tyres squealing everywhere, even on sand at 5mph?

  40. Re:What bugs me by onedotzero · · Score: 2, Informative

    Trust me, CGI effects are absolutely up to scratch for explosions. I think it's more likely that those with plumes of black smoke are done on effects machines because that's what people expect, rather than using gasoline.

    Explosions are actually rather easy, and the software somewhat cheap (see Particle Illusion for one such solution). One of the best showreels I have seen is Autodesk's. It goes to show that almost every work whose post-production goes further than clip rearranging and editing has effects of some sort; most of which you won't even notice.

  41. Not really 'sparks' in technical sense. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unless something is really wrong with the powder charge you're using in the gun, there shouldn't really be any "sparks" coming out of the end of the barrel, at least with modern smokeless powder.

    The muzzle flash that comes out of a gun is superheated gas, the product of the powder's rapid combustion; a "spark" would indicate some form of burning / incandescently-hot large particles, and there really shouldn't be anything that big left after combustion. If there are big (enough to be visible) chunks of burning powder coming out the muzzle of your (modern) gun, you have some sort of problem. I'm not sure whether you'd even technically call a real muzzle flash a "flame," since it's not really burning anymore; the majority of the chemical reaction that launched the bullet, ran to completion in the first few fractions of a second after the primer detonated. On weapons with short barrels, the muzzle flash is visible because the exhaust gases exit the muzzle out into the atmosphere before they've had a chance to cool below the point of incandescence. I don't think there's really anything in the way of actual 'combustion' still going on.

    Muzzle flash is another thing that Hollywood tends to exaggerate; although it's definitely an issue in real life, it's more difficult to see on a bright, sunny day than you'd expect from watching action flicks. FWIW, I think that they simulate muzzle flashes by using propane or methane, particularly for automatic weapons, in movies.

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  42. Do people *want* the laws of physics obeyed? by Logicalmoron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know most threads have been about how the postulated laws are broken, but there's a bigger question to be asked in this - do people, who go to the movies, want the laws of physics to be obeyed? I think the film industry has actually done it right - we go to the movies to, quite literally, be fooled. There's a reason sci-fi films end up being blockbusters. People are so fed up with the mundane, they want to see something extraordinary, even if it is something infinitesimally trivial as a simple bullet spark. It draws a person into the film with the appeal of the extraordinary, and gives them what they paid for - an escape from reality, even if they don't realize it.

  43. Re:Outerspace is Cold by AJWM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No air for cooling == no loss of heat.

    Two words: evaporative cooling.

    That's how the Space Activity Suit keeps you from overheating while working against its resistance.

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  44. Re:Some points aren't valid by joto · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nope. It's because:
    1. The punching bag is much lighter than you, so the force in the punch will move it forward much faster than it will move you backwards.
      • In a correctly done punch you will start the movement at your feet and accelerate your hips/body as well as your fist toward the target. This means that instead of you being moved backwards by the impact, the impact will stop (some of) your forward movement.
      • In an incorrectly done punch, it will be only your fist and the punching ball that collides (not you or your body weight behind it). This is insufficient force/momentum to move your body in any significant way (or do any damage to an opponent in a fight)
  45. Well, it's good to see... by Jeian · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... that the Law of Slashdotting remains in effect.

  46. Re:Outerspace is Cold by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I often wondered whether if you were in a vacuum you might even overheat? I'd be more worried about not being able to breathe.
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  47. Re:Outerspace is Cold by JabberWokky · · Score: 2, Informative

    It should probably be pointed out for those who have not handled firearms before that a .22 is not a certain kill, even at close range. They certainly can kill, but the movie weapons are often shot from across the room where -- were I a professional killer -- I would not trust to be a kill shot, let alone a clean "drop him" shot. Birds, squirrels and paper targets are a better bet.

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  48. Re:Outerspace is Cold by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Silent shotgun shells are much more effective and economical than noise suppressors. Not so good for sneaking up on people in crowds I suppose, but they are very effective (quieter than the mechanical noise of the action) and add no limitations to manually operated shotguns.

    I would add that the author of TFA doesn't understand the physics of hand to hand combat very well. It is true that targets will not fly accross the room when kicked. In fact the better targetted the kick the less they will recoil. However, when kicking you are accelerating much of your body (hip, leg, foot) toward the target. The reaction has to overcome this momentum. Furthermore, if you use orthodox technique you have a connection to the ground specifcally designed to transfer the reaction through my musculo-skeletal structure into the earth (the emphasis on this base varies from style to style, but it always exists). In movies people are always jump kicking, but in real life that is of limited utility. You don't want to lose that connection to the ground unless absolutely necessary.

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  49. Steel cases, not steel jackets, IIRC. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think the ammo you're talking about is not jacketed in steel, but cased in steel. And yes, some people believe it to be significant rougher on guns than conventional copper-cased stuff, but not because of the bullet going down the barrel proper, but due to the damage that the steel case may be doing to the chamber during loading and extraction.

    You used to find this stuff under the "Wolf" brand name, and it was mostly made in Russia and some other ex-WP countries. I think Wolf may be trying to move upmarket and has ditched the steel-cased stuff, recently though.

    At any rate, the bullets in that stuff were pretty standard at least that I ever saw, but instead of using a brass case, as is used in most Western countries' ammunition, they went with steel cases, covered in some sort of paint and lacquer (assumedly for rust-proofing). There were a number of issues with it, particularly in close-tolerance weapons. First was just the threat of damage to the chamber because it's a harder metal (although I have doubts about this), more significantly was that if you blasted a bunch of it off rapidly, you could get the gun's chamber hot enough to start melting the lacquer off of the cartridges, and over time, build up a layer of lacquer inside the chamber, that would change its dimensions, and lead to feed problems, particularly if you switched back to other types of ammo.

    I know a number of people who got burned by the lacquer-buildup problems, because they had AR-15 style rifles with tight-tolerance chambers (the .223 Remington chamber, as opposed to the 5.56mm "NATO Chamber" or the compromise "Wylde Chamber").

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    1. Re:Steel cases, not steel jackets, IIRC. by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Informative

      A lot of the East-block stuff is cased in laquered steel, but there is also quite a bit of it with steel jackets too (they have a copper wash applied to them.

      As a matter of fact, almost all the steel cased rifle rounds I've seen have steel bullet jackets too, though there are a number of brass cased rounds with steel jackets too (I've got a few boxes of Sellier & Bellot .30-06 150gr SP's that are brass cased with steel jackets).

      If you need proof, pull the bullet and stick a magnet to it ;).

      That being said, I've noticed that *most* of the steel cased ammo is rifle ammunition. I don't shoot cheapy stuff in my handguns though (I shoot a lot of oddball loadings so I generally just press my own rounds).

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  50. Worked At Lam Research by WED+Fan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I lived in Fremont, CA when "Terminator II" was being filmed. For the Cyberdyne office building to be blown up...

    I worked at Lam Research in Fremont. The building used was one of our assembly buildings for plasma etchers. We had a few pics of Ahnold up at the time.

    God, you bring back bad memories. How dare you, sir!

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  51. I have seen bullets spark by railsconvert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I spent many years as an army reservist. Every so often we would head out into a training area to live fire our personal and unit weapons (both at night and during the day).

    It is true I have never seen a spark during the day.

    At night, I have seen rounds from machine guns (7.62mm and .50 cal) spark on rock, not metal. Especially with the .50's (larger round) you get sparks every time you hit rock at night.

  52. Re:Outerspace is Cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    yeah...or the fact I'm in MOTHERF*CKIN SPACE!

  53. Re:Outrunning explosions by demi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For the most part, what I see is not a race between the heroes and the explosion, but a race between the following two things:

    • How long it takes the explosion to reach from the source to where the heroes are now (usually represented as a wall of flame down a series of corridors (a representation, not a realistic document).
    • How long it takes the heroes to get somewhere (some cover, out of the building) where they are protected from the blast--usually a much shorter distance.

    Mostly, this is forgivable. When the heroes start running, the explosion hasn't usually happened yet, you can certainly see that they are not literally outrunning the blast front of the explosion. The shot is cut together to make it appear "close" (always), and the explosion is represented by something graphic (burning gasoline), because this is visual storytelling, not a filmic document. This just has to do with the way the thing is shown, for the most part no one in the movie's world is claiming implicitly or explicitly that the heroes can run faster than an explosion.

    You need to look at these things through this lens of visual storytelling. Consider how fragile the human body is in horror movies. You would think we are all thin bags of blood and meat just barely hanging on to a skeleton of matchsticks and topped with a skull no tougher than a watermelon. People pop, break, are pulled apart, etc. In reality, people are mostly tough. Their structure is elastic and strong, the connective tissue hard to break. However, visually seeing human bodies as fragile in this way is shocking and horrifying, which is precisely the point. Saying that it's unrealistic is missing the point.

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  54. Flying kicks by phorm · · Score: 2, Informative

    So, when you see a gal kick someone across the room, technically, the kicker (or holder of a gun) must fly across the room in the opposite direction - unless she has a back against the wall.

    Not only that, but it fails to take into effect the masses of the two individuals. Just like I could push, kick, or punch a ball away from me, a person with enough mass can in fact repel a person of smaller mass over a certain distance. Perhaps not across the room and partway through a wall, but most people could already figure that part out.
    Still, whether it's a person or any other object, it all comes down to friction, angle, and mass. I semi travelling at decent speed can send a small car flying, especially if it manages to "scoop" it with a certain angle. A mid-sized person braces right can propel another person away, and a larger person (well, more massive) can do so to a greater extent.

    As to the shotgun blasts blowing someone across the room, I've never shot anyone or anything at close range with a shotgun, but it might work against a smaller person/animal. With a really big gun held by a really massive person (properly braced) it would possibly stagger the shooter while propelling the shootee...

  55. Re:Outerspace is Cold by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are called Sound Suppressors not "silencers". They do not "silence" the sound just diminish it.

    Yeah, and they're called "automobiles" not "cars." The term "silencer" may not be as precise as you like but it is just as valid a term as "suppressor."

    They do not really suppress the sound the way movies put it (I am looking at you Mr. Bauer).

    There are a lot more variables here than you are implying. I have some first hand experience with home-made silencers from my nonstandard youth. A .22 caliber is the most commonly suppressed round historically and used for assassinations. With a dry suppressor made in the basement, a .22 semi-auto will make the typical action noise and you can hear the bullet hit the target, but the sound of the bullet leaving the barrel is negligible. With a bolt action, you hear a sound like a pebble being thrown against your target and that is about it.

    They are good just for a small number of shots

    This is true with some sound suppressors, but not all. There are a variety of home made one shot suppressors you can build yourself and there are commercial, "wet" suppressors that have a limited number of effective uses. There are also traditional baffle suppressors that are just as effective for 100 shots as for 2. The relative size of the suppressor is dependent upon many factors, but you can certainly build a dry suppressor about 8 inches long that would make a .22 caliber pistol with subsonic rounds pretty darn quiet.

  56. Physics in film? Fugedaboudit by hedbonker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why in the blue blazes anyone would equate reality to film is beyond me. It's FILM. You know? Willing suspension of disbeleif and all that crap...

  57. Re:Outerspace is Cold by Igmuth · · Score: 2

    Everyone knows you can only survive in the vacuum of space for 30 seconds!

  58. This is wayyy to easy! by XB-70 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hmmm, let me think: Tits don't sag. Bimbos become celluloid icons. Outdoors has five shadows. People can be perfectly heard in clubs/restaurants etc. Movies are ranked by inflated millions of dollars rather than seats actual sold. Jane Fonda looks 50. Hollywood is a place which cannot be defined by Cartesian boundaries. You can have no vocal skills and still sing in a movie. And, of course the ever-present parking spaces!

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  59. Re:Outerspace is Cold by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Frostbite from sweating? No. As I said, your body will immediately react, and close the pores. Your body will stop losing heat through any means other than black body radiation. No frostbite, sorry.

  60. Re:Outerspace is Cold by colinbrash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anyone pay any frickin' attention around here? TWO SEPARATE POSTERS said the exact same thing before you. TWO SEPARATE TIMES I pointed out the flaws in their calculations and logic, linking to an article with actual information.
    Come on... this is Slashdot! Reading articles just takes time away from posting comments!
  61. Space isn't cold, but water evaporation is. by doctor_nation · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sure no one will see this as it's much too late. But most of the modded-up posts I see aren't looking at the primary heat loss you'll experience in space, or in a vacuum of any kind. Water evaporation. If you take a jar of water and put it into a vacuum it will freeze over very quickly, because of the heat of evaporation, the same way sweat evaporation cools the body. Since our bodies are basically bags of water, if you put us in space unprotected, that water will promptly be sucked out of us by the near-zero pressure, and the evaporation will leave us frozen solid. The same thing applies to any fluid leaking from a spacecraft. It will probably rapidly form small ice spheres, which will then rapidly sublimate into vapor, depending on its characteristics.

  62. Re:Outerspace is Cold by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes. At that low a pressure, your sweat will vaporize instantly as it comes out of your pores. As will any surface moisture on your skin the moment you're exposed to vacuum. You'll be quite dry, and I expect rather cool too.

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  63. #4 is a bunch of crap by FR007 · · Score: 3

    I don't know about anyone one else, but as a martial artist I see a serious problem with #4. While movies do exagerate how far someone will get thrown, the kicker definitely doesn't bounce off and go flying in the opposite direction. While I havent kicked someone across the room, ive definitely kicked someone into the air at least a few feet, and I wasnt thrown backwards. The way I see it, as long as you're rooted to the ground by one foot, the opposing force is tranferred along that leg and into the ground. For a jump kick, the impact just slows you down, you dont stop spinning mid-air and suddenly start flying back across the room.

  64. What about the others? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. You can enlarge the eye of someone in a photo, or a video, and get a good full-size image of what they are looking at.

    2. If you find a single hair at a crime scene, it always will be from one the criminals, not any of the hundreds of other people who walked through the place recently.

    3. If you run out of bullets, you are requirecd to throw your gun at your foe. You will also never be able to hit him with it.

    4. Searching for a fingerprint in a computer database requires that every fingerprint in that database be displayed on your terminal. Also, when trying to break a password, you must display every single password being tried.

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  65. Laws of sociology that do not apply by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Physics? Ok, nerds. Here's some movie laws of sociology that do not apply.

    1. Nerds are not good looking

    2. Nerds are not cool with the ladies

    3. Nerds do not "get the girls"

    4. No hot babe is gonna have a "moment" when you stare into each other's eyes and fall in love with you. As you lean in, she'll go "ick" and put up the palm of her hand. As if!

    5. If a nerd actually saves the planet in reality, the hot girl will still go with the hairy, sweaty janitor.

    6. If you finally get so ticked off you take a swing at the big bully, he beats the crap out of you again, anyway.

    7. The hot girl laughs at you and starts giving the bully head while you cry and crawl off in search of pr0n.

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  66. Superman picking up heavy stuff by Circlotron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it that Superman is able to pick up, and even fly with an entire house, and yet the weight of the house is only supported by the surface area of his hands? Must be a helluva strong building!

  67. a couple of problems by cout · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "So, when you see a gal kick someone across the room, technically, the kicker (or holder of a gun) must fly across the room in the opposite direction - unless she has a back against the wall."

    I think the author is confusing conservation of energy with conservation of momentum. In an elastic collision, in which energy is conserved, two people of equal mass will head in opposite directions. In reality, both the kicker and the kickee will absorb some of the energy of the kick, thus resulting in an inelastic collsion.

    "For instance, in space the hero shouldn't be able to shout out instructions to the other astronauts from a spot several yards away."

    That's what radio transmitters are for, and if you're wearing your helmet, you probably have a radio.

    Explosions are what are particularly interesting. You will hear something as particles from the explosion collide with the hull of your ship, but it probably won't sound like an explosion.

  68. Streets at night are always wet by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't forget that streets at night are always wet. Always. Even in lengthy tunnels where no rain can get (i.e. Back to the Future Part II).