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MS Promotion Site Flagged By MS Anti-Phishing

Stony Stevenson writes "Microsoft has launched a marketing campaign that lets any student at an Australian university buy the Ultimate edition of Office 2007, usual price $1,150, for only $75 — a discount of about 93%. But when students go to the promotion site, Microsoft Live OneCare pops up a warning that the site may be a phishing scam. The warning reads: 'Phishing filter has determined this might be a phishing website. We recommend that you do not give any of your information to such websites. Phishing websites impersonate trustworthy websites for the purpose of obtaining your personal or financial information.'"

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  1. Microsoft has finally done it! by Samalie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its about time....Microsoft has finally recognized itself as evil. Hell has officially frozen over :)

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    1. Re:Microsoft has finally done it! by DittoBox · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes but I don't see Steve Ballmer sprouting wings and gaining lift.

      Ergo, the swine are not flying yet.

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    2. Re:Microsoft has finally done it! by memojuez · · Score: 5, Funny

      That seems to go hand in hand with my antivirus program deleting the IE7 installer from my computer because it deemed it a "Generic Trojan"

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    3. Re:Microsoft has finally done it! by antirelic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well... this is actual proof that the Anti-Phishing shit actually works...

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    4. Re:Microsoft has finally done it! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The guys who write the anti phishing stuff would probably not be too keen on that sort of thing anyway.

      If you read Showstopper the Dec guys who were hired to create Windows NT used to call traditional Microsoft OSs as Microslop. Interestingly, Bill Gates approved of this contempt. He was quoted as saying that he "Didn't hire Dave Cutler for his charm".

      It makes sense really, if your company is bad at something - protecting OSs from malicious programs on the same machine before NT, and protecting OSs from malicious programs on other machines before the recent push to security, and you have a lot of money, you solve it by hiring people from outside. And then when people inside the company complain about them being obnoxious, you say the sort of thing that Gates said about Cutler.

      Ok, I'm not sure if the current security stuff is quite as radical as this - it seems to be done by the team that did the original code - but if they want it to work, they need it to be. And they definitely shouldn't have special cases that allows Microsoft stuff to sneak under the defenses, since it compromises the whole system.

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    5. Re:Microsoft has finally done it! by Smurfeur · · Score: 2, Funny

      More surprising : MS has finally produced a piece of software that WORKS !

    6. Re:Microsoft has finally done it! by jez9999 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, it just got the name slightly wrong. It meant 'bait and vendor lock-in'.

  2. Oh no! by AlphaLop · · Score: 4, Funny

    A Microsoft product that does not work right? The Shock of it... I better unload all my Microsoft stock before the other investors get wind of this! ;)

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  3. It Works! by 7bit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow! Live OneCare actually does work!

  4. On a related topic.. by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Funny

    If any Australian students would like to make a cool 100% profit, please let me know. :)

    1. Re:On a related topic.. by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, if you can deal with Clippy saying "G'day mate, how 'bout some letter-writing?"

    2. Re:On a related topic.. by moronoxyd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, that may be true for the US and Australia, but customer rights are (for the most part) no empty shells in Germany and the E.U., so that doesn't hold true over here.

      We can also legally buy OEM versions without hardware, so if you are in need of some MS OS and want to spent as little as possible while staying legal...

    3. Re:On a related topic.. by Kris_J · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I use a tool to remove the EULA from the installation process, so I never agree to anything. Or maybe I don't, how would Microsoft know?

    4. Re:On a related topic.. by DeathElk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, take it from an Australian - that should be "Wanna write a f@#kn' letter? Well? Do ya c*nt??"

    5. Re:On a related topic.. by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Says who? Microsoft has no standing to tell me that I can or can not use their software. The right to use the software is not one reserved exclusively to the copyright holder. They have control over who copies it, who distributes those copies, who displays it publically, and who creates derivative works, but they have no control over who uses it. clicky

    6. Re:On a related topic.. by cheater512 · · Score: 2, Funny

      But thats in the EULA - the thing that uhh....went missing.

    7. Re:On a related topic.. by arose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What would you say if someone used that defense to claim they weren't covered by the GPL?
      Copyright violation.
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  5. New Marketing Campaign by L.+VeGas · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's just part of an overall "bad boy" campaign that MS is using to try to seem cool.

    Go ahead and buy from us. IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS.

  6. Too Funny by DaMattster · · Score: 2

    This one gave me a belly ache from laughing. Imagine that MS would anti-phish itself. Gee, I wonder where the disconnect happen between product development and marketing. HAHA

  7. tough problem by iammaxus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's a tough problem because the easy way to solve it is to add a whitelist to the phishing filter, but that is just asking for security problems (think malware hijacking the whitelist). I guess they will actually just have to make the filter work...

  8. Re:IE7 declares... by SEMW · · Score: 4, Informative

    No it doesn't; I've just tried it.

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  9. Yes, it is by C4st13v4n14 · · Score: 2, Funny

    75$AU? Microsoft? Sounds like it really is a phising scam, or it's at least phishy!

  10. Apple says it best by mad_psych0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "You are attempting to save money! Would you like to allow or deny?"

  11. Re:No surprise by CommunistHamster · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a large company, and it knows exactly what my right hand is doing...

  12. Re:Does it .... by celardore · · Score: 5, Funny

    My Australian is rusty.

    Give him a good going over with some wire wool and light oil, that should fix him right up!

  13. OMG!!! by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Funny

    Im using IE7 and wow! It is teh smartest!!

    Is this a fishing site??? Cause IE knows and I knows!! Thats awesome!

    Wonder if you can find what lures work with what on IE7?

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  14. Re:Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's think about the wonderful "free marketplace" and those supposedly immutable laws of supply and demand.

    Is there an abundance of Office 2007 licenses in Australia that is causing this price drop or is demand so low that Microsoft has to practically give its products away there to move them off the shelves?

    If this isn't clear evidence that companies like Microsoft are no more interested in anything like a "free market" than your average Republican congressman, I don't know what is. The only thing that's free is these corporations' desire and ability to fuck us over.

    We are being played, friends.

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  15. And if MS white flagged all their advocates by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Slashdot would implode with rage

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  16. Bill Gates Cyborg Icon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Slightly off topic, but can we motion to come up with a new 'M$' logo?

    1. The guy is barely involved within the company anymore.
    2. Bill Gates has started a profoundly large charity foundation
    3. Someone could make some downright hilarious steve ballmer cyborg icons with minimal effort.

    Am I the only one feeling this?

    1. Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They only gave out of their abundance. Nothing more, nothing less.

      Not true. It doesn't matter that he had an abundance, rather that he felt compelled to use it for the benefit of others. He may have benefitted the reputation of himself, or his company, but the gains for himself were not nearly as much as the gains of the recipients. It was inequitable, therefore it was charitable. There are plenty of rich people who sit on their money instead of putting it to good use.

      All your shit talking does is discourage others from following his lead, because they're just going to say "Hey, I'm just going to get flack for it anyway -- fsck 'em."

    2. Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon by Jarden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yawn. I'm tired of this incessant need to bag Bill Gates no matter what he does. And your argument doesn't stand up at all.

      The fact is he's given more money to philanthropic endeavours than any other person. Ever. So get off your fucking high horse.

      I saw this guy the other day give $20 to a homeless person. I went over to him and said "Hey you fuck, you earn over $50k a year and I just saw you give ONLY $20 to that hungry guy? You tight asshole!". Then I punched him in the face and took his wallet. Because we need less assholes like that.

      Going by your stats Bill Gates has given to charity around 50% of the money he's EARNED. What proportion of the money YOU have EARNED have you given to charity?

      Apparently you have some preconceived notion of how much money rich people should be left with after donating for their donation to "mean" something. Perhaps you should publish a "JimDaGeek guide to philanthropy" so the world's rich can learn from you.

    3. Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon by spells · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bill - why are you reading slashdot on a Tuesday night - I thought it was bridge night with Buffett.

    4. Re:Bill Gates Cyborg Icon by skoaldipper · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slightly off topic, but can we motion to come up with a new 'M$' logo?
      This is the best I could do on such short notice.
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  17. Re:Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut by mschuyler · · Score: 2, Informative

    > We're being played

    Microsoft has ALWAYS had student/academic and non-profit deals out there. Look in any University bookstore at very good prices. You don't even have to do that with a student ID card. You can just declare you're a student and buy it online. This is a particularly good deal, but the fact is, I've never paid over $60.00 for a full office suite ever, because Microsoft sells to schools and libraries at a heavy discount.

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  18. Because, you know by dctoastman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not like anyone would report the site as a phishing scam for cheap laughs.

  19. Am I the only one not outraged by their "contest"? by joe_cot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bribing Pro Bloggers with laptops? Bad. Very bad.
    Bribing amateur bloggers with scooters/laptops/mp3 players? No problem
    From the website:

    Enter the Golden Blog Awards to win great prizes
    All you have to do is mention the word 'office' and the link 'www.itsnotcheating.com.au' in your blog. Winner is judged on creativity of the story.
    The blog or video with highest number of supporting comments will have the chance to win this fab music pack.


    I don't think that needs comment.

    (PS: The original text cited is in all caps, which set off Slashdot's "Lameness filter". Define irony)

  20. licensing by vimh42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to TFA, the deal is for students of AU universities with volume licences. In the education volume liscences I have seen, the liscence extends to the students. Which means the school just burns the student a copy. For nothing (or for a materials fee). The school already paid for the student to have it. Why would the student fork out additional money to MS?

    1. Re:licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The volume license agreement that is covered infact does not allow for home use by students, it's simply a way for the University to save money by not paying for each and every student's home use rights (like they do for staff in this case) and still provide an option for the Office package.
      this poster works for one of the universities offering the software as an SOE developer so I have to know the licensing arrangements!

  21. half way there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now all we need is for Norton AntiVirus to detect itself as a virus and everything will be all set.

  22. Probably a way to reduce "losses" by gcnaddict · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's probably just a way to reduces losses which Microsoft might incur as a result of this huge discount.

    losses... lol

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  23. Re:Does it .... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually it does have an Australian to English converter. I'm not too sure what good that would do a Yank though.

    I think it must be broken. I keep putting in Fosters but I don't get back beer.

    And in the English to Australian converter, I keep putting in coffee but I still don't get back beer.

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  24. Re:No surprise by JimDaGeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dang, am I the only one to laugh at this? I just shot some beer out my nose.

    You, sir, owe me one beer!

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  25. Re:Does it .... by shudde · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think it must be broken. I keep putting in Fosters but I don't get back beer.

    There's a simple answer, Fosters isn't beer. We just export that swill, no one here actually drinks it.

  26. Re:Ultimate? by SEMW · · Score: 4, Informative

    For all the MS Office products I've used, generally there's been a Standard (Word/Excel/Powerpoint/Outlook) and Pro (Add Access and I believe frontpage). So what does "ultimate" bring to the table? Pro has Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Access, and Publisher; Ultimate adds OneNote, Groove, and InfoPath. What are Groove and Infopath, you ask? Your guess is as good as mine, because I have no ****ing idea whatsoever. Microsoft claim Groove is a "peer-to-peer collaboration solution", which has left me only slight more enlightened than before. Onenote's supposed to be pretty good, though.

    I have to ask, what's so good about an office produce that makes it worth more than a grand Ultimate is $590 in US dollars, the article was in Australian dollars.
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  27. Re:What kind of paperwork is needed by SEMW · · Score: 2, Informative

    Quote>What kind of paperwork is needed for my company to be recognized as a "university" It would need to be accredited.

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  28. Now all that remains by GFree · · Score: 4, Funny

    is for Windows Defender in Vista to stuff up and flag IE7 as spyware. That would be most amusing. :)

  29. This shows it's working by Rix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No jabbing at MS intended. Something like this *should* generate more false positives than false negatives, because the cost to the user from a false positive is less than a false negative. Further, it shows that they aren't playing favourites, they've been caught in the same net anyone else might.

    A $1200 product being sold for $75 is probably either a) not a $1200 product, or b) a scam, so this seems to have worked well. Special academic discounts are a fringe case.

    1. Re:This shows it's working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Something like this *should* generate more false positives than false negatives, because the cost to the user from a false positive is less than a false negative.

      Not true. The cost to the user from false positives is that they get trained to not believe warnings from security software. That can follow them around for the rest of their life, causing damage over and over again, even when they've switched software and even after Microsoft fix their bugs.

  30. Meanwhile by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 2, Informative

    the Microsoft Anti-Phishing filter fails to find web sites selling OEM versions of Microsoft's software if the user makes a typo in the URL to any of the Microsoft web sites. Offering Office 2007 Ultimate edition for $50, Vista Ultimate for $65, and other discounts on so called OEM software that is really pirated versions of Microsoft software and the personal information is sold and used for identity theft so the buyer gets burned twice.

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  31. There's never been a better time to buy! by Keith+Russell · · Score: 3, Funny

    This deal is so good, even we can't believe it's for real! Order yours today! OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY!

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  32. Re:Does it .... by snicho99 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Amen brother.

    No one out there really seems to get it. Fosters - goes in the same category with Rolf Harris, Steve Irwin (god bless him) and Crocodile Dundee:

    Shit we foist on other people.

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  33. Misspelling by sexybomber · · Score: 2, Funny

    Am I the only one who wishes that MS named their product the Phishing Philter?

  34. Re:Does it .... by mollymoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thank you very much for making me laugh. Your post is funny. Period.

    You're using Vista's speech recognition, right?

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  35. Re:Microsoft mistake lead to office price cut by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If a "small and startup company" is using MSDN subscriptions on their desktops, they're violating their EULA.

    Do you think you'll be able to get academic pricing of Office 2007 Ultimate Edition for $60? Or Vista for $10? Think again.

    I had lunch with someone who does purchasing for a major University the other day and he's saying that MS isn't going that route this time. There will still be academic licensing, but it won't be anything like it's been in the past.

    And my comments above aren't even directed only at Microsoft. They're just playing a game that's SOP in all of business these days. Put your customers in an impossible position, squeeze everything you can out of them while giving them less and less, repeat when necessary to your stock price. MS does it, Apple does it, Sony does it, Dell, HP. Name your company. Name your industry. Transportation, energy, telecommunications, financial. Media.

    I repeat: The "Free Market" was always a fantasy - bait and switch where they don't even have to use bait. We are the consumables now.

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  36. Probbably deliberate by MikShapi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They probably left in in the anti-phishing filter deliberately. Irony generates news, and news generate truckloads of free exposure.

    "Any publicity is good publicity, as long as they spell my name right"

    We all think it's ironic that MS software blocks an MS promotion campaign. We generated a truckload of comments laughing our asses off.
    The REAL irony that escapes us is that we gentoo- and ubuntu- running geeks all talk about it, laugh about it, tell our friends, family and collegues in the office about it, and get the word out to a lot of people, a decent percentage of which (who have student IDs in AU and/or access to someone with such) will hear "blah blah office 2k7 ultimate for 75A$ blah blah microsoft blooper blah". And guess what those of them who use office and can do the math will do then.

    Thus, thanks to us slashdot crowd, myself being a gentoo-desktop-running Aussie student (who also runs Windows on some of his machines) who is neither religious about being anti-microsoft nor thinks they do not deserve a sane amount of money for a software suite I wish to use, I promptly went out and paid microsoft 75$. Good'on'em.

    And looking back at our beloved slashdot crowd, I think that I, for one, welcome our new microsoft-promoting slashdotter overlords.

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  37. Re:Does it .... by morethanapapercert · · Score: 4, Informative
    And if you had watched a Coors commercial or read a Coors label, it also would have appeared to have been brewed in Canada. For most "imported" beers available in Canada, it does not make sense to ship large quantities of cans or (fragile) bottles from one country to another. Beer goes bad rather quickly when traveling in uneven temps like you find on board ship.* Instead, foreign brewers that make popular swill ^h^h^h^h beer will license the name and various copyrighted logos etc to a local/domestic brewer who makes the actual product using local water, barley, hops and so on. Here in Ontario Budweiser and Stella Artois are brewed by Labatt's while Coors Lite and Corona Extra are brewed by Molson's under license. Many of the better foreign beers are actually imported since the better quality can command a higher price, high enough to make importing the comparative small numbers profitable.

    Check out www.labatt.com and www.molson.com for more info (warning, the Labatt site has an annoying and worthless age check. Feel free to lie, I did ;) ) *I'm told that trying to ship beer long ways with inadequate refrigeration is behind the origin of the various India Pale Ales. During the early days of British colonialism in places like India, the British Empire shipped large amounts of beer to the colonies. Lagers, Porters and Stouts tend to go bad the quickest when warm, so brewers came up with a pale beer that traveled well and was very refreshing to dry throats despite being shipped in unrefrigerated cargo holds for weeks.

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  38. Re:No surprise by FLEB · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's one helluva nose.

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  39. The left hand... by xlsior · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Back when I worked for an ISP a few years ago, we received a threatening letter from EBay demaning the immediate disconnection of one of our customers for running a phishing site. And better speed it up, because they'd already reported it to the FBI as well. Of course, we pointed out to ebay that the site in question was actually one of their own subsidiaries. (they had links to it from all over the place on the main ebay.com website, even). Sure we can cut it off, but I really don't think you'd want us to. By the way, might want to call the FBI back to tell them "never mind", while you're at it. *sigh*

  40. Re:Does it .... by asavage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if it says imported it might not be imported from where you think. Some European beers sold in Canada are brewed in USA and vice versa so they can label them as imported. The way the British modified beer to last longer was increase the alcohol and hops. India Pale Ale still is high in hops but not alcohol.

  41. It is a phishing site? by babbling · · Score: 3, Funny

    It looks like a phishing site to me. Some weird company called Microblast or something is trying to create an expensive proprietary rip-off of OpenOffice.org. It probably comes with all kinds of spyware, too.

  42. Re:Does it .... by Tsagadai · · Score: 2, Informative

    The chaser http://www.abc.net.au/tv/chaser/ is actually humour to be enjoyed. I know Chris and Julian personally and tehy are really funny guys. Julian got arrested for streaking through a streakers trial, you can't get much funnier than that. Also for anyone who doesn't know what I'm on about most of the episodes are available freely from the site I linked.