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Vista Can Run Without Activation for a Year

An anonymous reader gave us a heads up on this article for people who like putting things off. It begins: "Windows Vista can be run for at least a year without being activated, a serious end-run around one of Microsoft's key anti-piracy measures, Windows expert Brian Livingston said today. Livingston, who publishes the Windows Secrets newsletter, said that a single change to Vista's registry lets users put off the operating system's product activation requirement an additional eight times beyond the three disclosed last month. With more research, said Livingston, it may even be possible to find a way to postpone activation indefinitely."

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  1. And how long.... by Tanuki64 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...does it run with activation key? SCNR :-)

    1. Re:And how long.... by jkrise · · Score: 3, Funny

      Until Service Pack 1 comes out.
      Or until you insert an Ubuntu CD.
      Or until you stop the messy Windows Update service.
      Or you keep posting negative comments about Microsoft on Slashdot.

      whichever is earlier.

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  2. Why bother? by BiggyP · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since microsoft have made it perfectly clear that they don't want anyone running their OS without paying, why continue to try, how about giving one of the many shiny desktop linux distros a go instead?

    1. Re:Why bother? by tomstdenis · · Score: 2

      Yeah zactly. It's funny what people will put up with because they think they have to. If they only knew that if they organized they could wield power...

      Put Gentoo CD in drive, install, no need for license key bullshit. When I get bored I play the piano, or if music isn't my fancy I turn on the xbox and play something. No need to pay the Vista tax to play video games.

      Tom

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    2. Re:Why bother? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is what they say, but I don't think that's true. They rather have me running Vista illegally than running Linux legally. Why? Because it increases their market share, which in turn benefits to them. I am also more likely to choose Windows in my business decisions or demand Windows Vista from my employer because "that is what I know".

      For students and poorer people they damn well want them to pirate Vista.... They might one day become paying customers.

      Piracy is a form of advertisement, as odd as it may sound.

      (I run Debian Etch, thank you very much)

    3. Re:Why bother? by bjoeg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because a load of games are still not being made for shiny desktop linux distros.

      Yes you may have Cedega, Wine and such, but they do not always perform well or able to run every game for that matter.

      And yes, there are still loads of non-console gamers in the world and unfortunaly not all of them are willing to pay for Windows, and ReactOS is still Alpha.

    4. Re:Why bother? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it's not just IT people that pirate

      My wife and I both use laptops which dual boot WindowsXP and Ubuntu. She has to run a windows application for her work and it doesn't work under wine so I got the free vmware player but got stuck because you need the commercial version to create a virtual disk.

      At work we run Suse+vmware+windowsXP so I asked around in the IT department at work and got some good advice about working with vmware but the windows guys in IT acted like I was an abusive husband for giving my S.O. Linux to use and offered me vmware xp images from their network to take home.

      I said thanks but I prefer to run my own copies of the OS, mainly because I can reinstall it any time I want. But the attitude of these guys was just take it, we don't care which surprised me a lot.

    5. Re:Why bother? by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Piano doesn't come with WGA. And I don't need a DRM key to play pieces out of a book :-)

      That automatically tips the favour to the piano.

      Tom

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    6. Re:Why bother? by value_added · · Score: 4, Informative

      She has to run a windows application for her work and it doesn't work under wine so I got the free vmware player but got stuck because you need the commercial version to create a virtual disk.

      Maybe try using the free vmware server product and get unstuck?

    7. Re:Why bother? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But the attitude of these guys was just take it, we don't care which surprised me a lot.

      Not me... You have to realise that many IT people are not real IT people. Some just ended up on the job. They don't care about licenses. Heck, even those that studied IT often don't care. The prime task to them is: "Get it work". That this implies a pirated Windows is irrelevant to them. (Often they don't have to care because the company they work for has a Volume License anyway).

      This is mostly an ethical question. Even more so than a legal one. To me at least... I don't really care that it's illegal to pirate, but I care about not *being* a pirate. However, many people do not make that distinction: "it'll get the job done, and that is enough". I admit to pirating Windows XP (I got a volume license copy), but I slowly but surely phasing out all my illegal copies to Linux or stick with the OEM copies I have. It's one of the reasons that my brothers machine runs XP Home instead of my highly customized XP Pro installation. It came with his OEM computer and is legal... but it does give me much more grief than my customized pirated versions....

    8. Re:Why bother? by BiggyP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But then you're swapping one expensive proprietary system for a similarly expensive and more proprietary one, where's the sense in that? Gaming on the Mac is in a slightly worse state, for commercial titles, than gaming on Linux from what i've seen.

      At least if you're pirating vista or installing Linux you don't need to switch to another provider's hardware.

    9. Re:Why bother? by bigdavex · · Score: 4, Funny

      Put Gentoo CD in drive, install, no need for license key bullshit. When I get bored I play the piano, or if music isn't my fancy I turn on the xbox and play something.

      Right, you have to do something while it compiles.
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    10. Re:Why bother? by spisska · · Score: 2, Informative

      She has to run a windows application for her work and it doesn't work under wine so I got the free vmware player but got stuck because you need the commercial version to create a virtual disk.

      You may need the commercial VMware to create a virtual disk, but there's other free utilities that can create a virtual disk readable by VMplayer.

      For example I used qemu to create a virtual disk holding and running XP under VMplayer (free) running on FC4. Works great, and completely free.

    11. Re:Why bother? by SiChemist · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have been playing around with the virtualbox virtualization software. It works well on Windows and Linux and it's free for the full version.

    12. Re:Why bother? by rucs_hack · · Score: 5, Funny

      1: Put gentoo cd in drive
      2: wade through the initial setup in the voluminous manual
      3: try to work out how the hell textmode web browsers work
      4: discover gnome won't emerge and compile because you don't have -tk set as a USE flag
      5: Try to figure out what the fuck a USE flag is anyway
      6: Spend a day trying to set up X.org
      7: mistakenly try to compile Openoffice from source
      8: wait...
      9: wait....
      10: wait....
      11: Find that your config files need updating.
      11: Realise Gnome is screwed because you updated the config files wrong
      12: Give up on Gnome, try to install KDE
      13: wait..
      14: wait....
      15: wait.....
      16: find that something you want is masked, unmask it. Smiling happily as it compiles
      17: slowly realise that you've done something very very bad...
      18: Give the fuck up and try Fedora instead

    13. Re:Why bother? by BiggyP · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, it could be argued that an ubuntu, fedora, mandriva, suse, well, just about any non source system, could be up and running somewhat quicker and with less fuss than a Gentoo installation.

    14. Re:Why bother? by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you buy a $150 OS just to play WoW ... Well, you tell me who is the sheep.

      Why not demand that Blizzard port it to OpenGL and other OSes so that you can have the freedom to run your computer how you see fit? Oh right, because you're their bitch.

      I'll pocket the $150 and use it to buy two months worth of private piano lessons. Much more enjoyable.

      That and WoW is just lame. It's an excuse not to socialize with others in an environment of repeated "hack and magic slash." ooh ooh gotta level up, my life isn't complete unless my paladin can cast +8 fireballs.... ooooo....

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    15. Re:Why bother? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Informative

      You may want to try VMware again. The free version I donwloaded allows you to make virtual disks, use physical drive, and do just about everything you would expect to be able to do with a virtual machine. I'm not sure what extra perks come with the pay version. I think you can run the pay version without a host OS, saving on resources.

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    16. Re:Why bother? by JackMeyhoff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dual booting is not practical and doesnt solve the actual problem. There is a BIG drive for high speed graphics in virtual machines going on, this year and next year it will become more feasable to run games in virtual machines instaed of this dual booting gynmastics. I would prefer that they got developers signed up to target the Mac for game engines and have it done with.

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    17. Re:Why bother? by rucs_hack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My point is that compared to simpler Linux installs, or (god forbid) windows, its a very hard thing to install, so saying that it's an alternative to Vista is sheer folly.

      And you can't install it without the manual, because they have this habit of changing things so what worked a few months ago suddenly doesn't work any more.

      I'm afraid the USE flag thing is that bad. One of the recent GUI installer releases failed completely because of a tk dependency, and even hosed some systems entirely.

      I've used gentoo for years, and I'm a fan, but I am all too aware of the risks of using it, you have to be far more careful then with other distributions.

    18. Re:Why bother? by jimstapleton · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, here's my rational. And as a background, I've had maybe a total of 10 months use/admin experience with FreeBSD, and several YEARS worth with Linux and Windows, so my oppinions of Linux/Windows are not from lack of experience with Linux/Windows, and my experience with FreeBSD may be somewhat short, at their best, all three seem equaly pleasant to admin, but when it comes down to the average or worst case, I find that's where FreeBSD shines.

      1) In both OSes, I've found installing new programs to be easier than in any distro of Linux that I've used (RH/FC, Ubuntu, Gentoo), namely less failures. Much moreso in Windows than in FreeBSD.

      2.f) In FreeBSD, when something breaks, I've found the documentation to be much better than the documentation I find in Linux, and the error messages tend to give a bit better information on finding the source of the issue. I also find things tend to break a bit less often in Linux

      2.w) In Windows, when something breaks, which is actually pretty rare in my experience (at least for 2K and XP), there's plenty of documentation online, and in the Windows help files - between the latter and Google with the right error messages pasted in, most errors I've run into aren't hard to solve/bypass

      3) The FreeBSD community, on a whole, has been more friendly, and less RTFM than the Linux community. (to me at least)

      4.f) FreeBSD is very much oriented to the server/enterprise mindset, with everything geared towards /just working/. Linux tends to be geared more towards what the devs want, which is the latest and greatest at a breakneck pace (though not necessarily with enterprise Linuxes and their derivatives - I ought try out CentOS some time, but FC has always seemed slow and bloated to me, compared to any other OS I've used, which makes me leery of anything based off of a RH distro). Each has their pros and cons (example: better hardware support, a larger selections of applications for any given task, and much nicer looking system administration utilities are major advantages for Linux), I just tend to find the BSD set of advantages more useful for me.

      4.w) Windows tries to make everything oriented towards ease of use, so that the end user can get quite a bit done without thinking too much about it. It does abstract a lot of lower level things and make them difficult to get to. Probably the reason why I don't use my Windows box any more, now that everything I need done is done on my BSD box.

      5) I find Linux is the only OS where I've spent more time trying to get things working, than with either of the other two.

      And please don't call me a moron or stupid because my oppinion and experiences with the various operating systems don't match yours. People work differently with different thigns, I am not telling anyone /not/ to use Linux, I'm just trying to say there are valid reasons people don't use Linux. People see problems and approach problems differently, and thus different methods of execution of a specific task are more or less effective for various people. FreeBSD and Windows are better for me than Linux. I can't tell you which is better for you, you have to decide on your own. I will say if you /havent/ tried it, then you certainly have no right to comment on it, and even if you have tried it, you've no right to insult me because my decisions and oppinions don't match yours. Sorry for this rant, but I've gotten that kind response from similar posts before, it's rather annoying, and it wastes both my time and the time of the writer, while providing nothing productive.

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    19. Re:Why bother? by HAKdragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why not demand that Blizzard port it to OpenGL and other OSes so that you can have the freedom to run your computer how you see fit?

      All of Blizzard's 3D games (and even Diablo II), have the ability to run using OpenGL. That's how they work on the Mac. (Yes yes, I know by other OSes you probably meant Linux.)

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    20. Re:Why bother? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Sir,

      We have asked your piano tuner to forward this letter to you in advance of our filing lawsuit against you in federal court for copyright infringement under the auspices of the recently passed Copyright Act for Analog Playback (CrAAP). We represent a number of large record companies, including SONY BMG MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT, Universal Music Group, and Warner Music Group, as well as all of their subsidiaries ("Record Companies,") in perusing claims of copyright infringement against individuals who have illegally played copyrighted works on their pianos to an audience.

      We have gathered evidence that you have been infringing copyrights owned by the Record Companies. We are attaching to this letter a sample of the sheet music found in your stool drawer. In total, you were found to be potentially playing to an audience 321 songs, a substantial number of which are songs controlled by the Record Companies.

      The reason we are sending you this letter to you in advance of filing suit is to give you the opportunity to settle these claims are early as possible. If you contact us within the next twenty (20) calendar days with proof that you have destroyed any mecxhanism for the analog playback of potentially copyrighted music, we will offer to settle the claims for a significantly reduced amount compared to the judgment amount a court may enter against you...

      IF WE DO NOT HEAR FROM YOU IN TWENTY (20) DAYS WE WILL FILE SUIT AGAINST YOU IN FEDERAL COURT.

      Sincerely, Douchebag McNumbnuts

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    21. Re:Why bother? by Vexorian · · Score: 2, Informative

      WoW works in Wine pretty well, so if you just want to use your comp to play WoW... get a kubuntu CD and play it...

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    22. Re:Why bother? by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am happy for you.

      I don't know why there is anymosity between OSS users. If ubuntu does what you want, and you chose it, all the power to you. In my case, Gentoo did what I want, and I chose it.

      I only defend my choice of Gentoo when people knock it as a go-nowhere OS. Other than that, I don't really care what OS you run so long as you choose it.

      Tom

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  3. Again I say! by arpy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tag it: "defectivebyaccident"!

  4. How long before Microsoft patches Vista by lthown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, they do have this little windows update thing that sends out updates, I'm sure it's mostly trivial for them to fix the flaw

    1. Re:How long before Microsoft patches Vista by jurgenaut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you were sitting on an unactivated Vista, would you update this?

    2. Re:How long before Microsoft patches Vista by Tanuki64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True, windows simply is not trustworthy. I mean automatic updates are something great, but a company, which uses such a system to further their own interests and not that of their customers is simply unacceptable. Ok, one can say that if I use a pirate copy I cannot complain, but even as a legit user I'd be bound to be a plaything of Microsoft's political interests. Best example is how fast they updated their DRM routines. I doubt that a user complained that he could do things with his windows, which he should not.

      Nope, the only way to use windows is in a virtual machine without network access.

    3. Re:How long before Microsoft patches Vista by jkrise · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously, they do have this little windows update thing that sends out updates, I'm sure it's mostly trivial for them to fix the flaw...

      It is not a flaw... it is a feature. Will corporates or home users willingly shell out big bucks for 8-times more hardware resources just to find the new OS cannot be pirated easily like the old one?

      Every OS from MS-DOS onwards has been piratable by design, for a reason.

      In DOS, you run format b:/s to get a pirated boot floppy with io.sys, msdos.sys and command.com.
      With Vista, you hack a few registry settings, and MS will pretend not to notice.

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    4. Re:How long before Microsoft patches Vista by kripkenstein · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True, windows simply is not trustworthy. I mean automatic updates are something great, but a company, which uses such a system to further their own interests and not that of their customers is simply unacceptable.

      100% agreement with you. Notice, though, how (at the end of TFA) Microsoft's position is that product activation is for the benefit of their customers. Something along the lines of "products hacked to avoid activation may be faulty" and such. So, a forced patch through Windows Update would be 'for the good of the customers', to save them from the perils of running WGA-less Windows. War is peace, and all that.

      One can only hope that in the long run such anti-consumer activity will come back to haunt them.
  5. Re:More DRM madness by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have no problem whatsoever with activation. If people do not want to pay MS prices then there are alternative OSes they can use. There is nothing at all wrong with a company trying to ensure that people actually *pay* for its products.

    This is the first time I've heard of Windows Activation being referred to as DRM. I think your knee just jerked, or perhaps you thought blasting DRM would garner you postitive moderation.

    What you *should* get is -1 (Offtopic)

  6. Can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    for some twit to tag this either 'haha' or 'defectivebydesign'

  7. Why Vista? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, delaying activation is fine, but why would you want Vista in the first place? My laptop died recently and I bought a replacement Thinkpad. It came pre-loaded with Vista Business. I gave it a try for two weeks.

    - Despite having 1GB RAM, the laptop ran like a glued snail.
    - Network speed was inconsistent and seems to be bound to movements of the sun.
    - Many printers (including my HP 2600n) are still unsupported. Not sure if this is HP being their usual crap self or just a complete inability to get Vista to play properly with network printers.
    - Aero. Why?
    - So many features like "Map Network Drive" have now been moved so they can only be access from specfic areas like "My Computer"
    - The updated XP style for control panel etc is really frustrating.
    - When opening some MS Office 2007 applications, the screen would corrupt then everything would hang for about 3 minutes.
    - Maybe a problem with Vista's sound libraries? Music sounded tinny through Vista, but cleaner in XP on the same machine.

    Anyways, enough of that bollocks. I've wiped the whole disk and installed XP pro again.

    1. Re:Why Vista? by n0rr1s · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hate to nitpick too ;)
      But...

      How much the sun moves depends on your frame of reference. It's cruising round the galactic centre at a fair ol' rate, for example.

    2. Re:Why Vista? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Many printers (including my HP 2600n) are still unsupported. Haha. You were suckered into the age-old "host based printer" scam. "Host based" printers don't internally support a standard printer language like PostScript or PCL. Instead, the printer only supports a proprietary protocol which requires a specialized, vendor-provided OS-specific driver. Only in a few cases have people been able to reverse-engineer a subset of these protocols.

      A major disadvantage to this for consumers that it allows manufacturers to "sunset" older printers.

      That's why I only buy standards-based printers - it allows me to decide when my printer is no longer viable. All of my printers are more than 10 years old, and I have no plans to retire any of them.

      Printer manufacturers don't provide host based printers in order to save inordinate amounts of money per unit - the chipsets required to support PCL and/or postscript are very inexpensive. This is all about vendor control.
    3. Re:Why Vista? by Cythrawl · · Score: 2, Informative

      -The Control Panel is confusing and missing any kind of logic.

      Sheesh SET IT TO CLASSIC MODE... are people really that blind?

      -They replaced My Documents and now you can't move it to D in a simple manner.

      Acutally you can. Go into the user folder and right click on the folders in ther you can assign a new location for all the folder.. Much better than just dumping it all in one. For example, My Videos and point to one folder and My Documents to another. Why this is worse than before is beyond me, I think its much better and you have more control on where stuff lives.. Didnt look too hard did you?

      - UAC is so invasive and annoying, I'm puzzled they actually dared to turn it on by default.

      Its no more invasive than having to do root or SU login in Linux to do system tasks. Once you have the PC set up and all your major stuff installed you see less and less of UAC. Quit Whining... You asked for a more secure OS you got it..

      -Typing in a country name in the Weather-widget expecting to see a list of locations within the country crashes Explorer completely.

      parhaps its because theres something else wrong.. You dont get a list, you type your City and Zip code into the Gadget (Not Widget, unless you are trying to use Apple stuff on your Vista). and thats it... its done.. No list.. it doesnt use Explorer.. You did something wrong.. Infact thats a made up problem totally.

    4. Re:Why Vista? by buzzn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hm. The last "standards based" printer I bought, an Okidata with PS option, used SCSI as the interface. None of my PCs have SCSI, and it's cheaper and easier for me to buy a new printer than to install a SCSI card. So much for standard printer languages.

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  8. Should be good enough for the home user by smchris · · Score: 2, Funny

    Win9X seems to have conditioned a lot of users to think that reinstalling every 6 months or so is normal anyway.

  9. That is intentional. by nietsch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On the one hand MS tries to make life hard for the small time infringers (most of them), but on the other hand they still need to be number one of most infringed software, so there needs to be a backdoor. They need to be the most infringed because the infringers are the easiest turned customers. If there were no ways to get around MS licencing tricks, there would be no more potential new customers when the next release of Windos arrives.
    My Father decided to buy a fresh Vista licence after using illegal versions before. That lasted about 3 days, then he decided to switch to linux (no, it had something to do with a 64bit intel compiler that was beer-free on linux only).

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  10. This isn't news by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are hacks out there to modify the countthe activation timer so that it never times out. The cracking group Parardox also supposedly released a crack that is suppose to emulate a bios to bypass the activation process all together.

  11. Edit the SkipRearm Key by Dekortage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsoft tells ya how to do it.

    How long before we see this as a Slashdot user name? "Hi, I'm Skip -- Skip Rearm."

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    1. Re:Edit the SkipRearm Key by SkipRearm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hi ! I'm Skip, Skip Rearm.

    2. Re:Edit the SkipRearm Key by Dekortage · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...and the answer is: six minutes! :-)

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    3. Re:Edit the SkipRearm Key by jkrise · · Score: 2, Informative

      Brilliant work!

      The documentation, as usual does not give a clue as to the real intent of the registry setting.

      Interesting article here:
      http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/03/08/msdn_gloo m/

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    4. Re:Edit the SkipRearm Key by beset · · Score: 2, Funny

      You must be new here...

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    5. Re:Edit the SkipRearm Key by SkipRearm · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not new, I'm just reactivated every once in a while...

  12. Very Exciting, but already done by ehaggis · · Score: 5, Funny

    My Linux box runs for at least a year without activation also.

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    1. Re:Very Exciting, but already done by daranz · · Score: 3, Funny
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  13. Re:More DRM madness by aeschenkarnos · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This is the first time I've heard of Windows Activation being referred to as DRM.

    Digital? Check. Rights? Check. Management? Sure looks like it to me.

  14. given last weeks article... by pjr.cc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Given last weeks article about how ms want people to pirate their products and that they do it so that people would eventually turn to the "legal" route, does anyone believe this was found by "accident"?

    seriously, hasn't this always been the way? give people a way to run MS's products pirated? maybe im just an old cynic..

  15. Security Update for Windows Vista (KB666666) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Download size: 773 KB , less than 1 minute
    A security issue has been identified that could allow you to compromise your Windows-based system using regedit and gain control of your licensing destiny. You can help protect our destiny by installing this update from Microsoft. After you install this item, you wil be required to restart your computer.

  16. Re:Just extends the captive marketshare... by value_added · · Score: 4, Funny

    the so-called sysadmins in Corporate settings who will not learn ipconfig, iptables and basic Unix commands..

    $ ipconfig
    bash: ipconfig: command not found

    $ echo "alias ipconfig=ifconfig" >> ~/.bashrc

    It's never ceased to amaze me the sheer number of workarounds one collects when using or administering Windows systems. To say nothing of endless variations of regkeys and values that must be memorised, but change frequently enough to remind you that the sum total of your knowledge is mostly a collection of useless trivia.

  17. Re:Why even bother? by kestasjk · · Score: 2

    Sometimes I wonder if these people aren't affiliated with Apple..

    These Apple posts always read like an Apple "Hot news" testimonial;
    "I'm a long time big business guy who researches cancer, is a long time software engineer, or applies computers to art, who has high standards and has tried everything.
    What do I use you [don't] ask? Apple OS X; it's stunning, and the user-experience is breathtaking, it truly is the center of my digi-life. And, for a limited time only, it starts at only $399.

    Your life. Your potential. Your Macintosh.
    Think different."

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  18. Round and Round and Round It Goes... by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It doesn't stop pirates.

    But it does deny access to paying customers... some of Microsoft's biggest and best customers.

    So Microsoft needs to put in a backdoor so that their support professionals can take care of those customers over the phone.

    But if you're telling hundreds of people about a backdoor, sooner or later it will leak.

    So Microsoft will need to patch the backdoor.

    But if they do that, once again, they'll be screwing their best customers.

    So they'll need to open another backdoor. Quite possibly the new backdoor will be opened by the very same patch that closes the SkipRearm backdoor.

    Microsoft doesn't benefit from this. Microsoft's customers don't benefit from it. The only people who benefit from it is the computer trade press and Slashdot, which is assured of an endless stream of news stories to talk about.

  19. Re:Just extends the captive marketshare... by adnonRT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sysadmins are creatures that follow the money trail friend. If the company wants a Win based platform as their workhorse, then the sysadmins are getting certs on that platform. Why on earth would you go through the trouble of learning Linux if what you need is a cert on Win2003 server administration? That sounds like you are setting yourself up for either getting fired for being a complete chuckle head who doesn't know his company's O/S of choice well enough to be able to audit logs or getting passed over on a potential raise or promotion because you couldn't take the time to learn the GD O/S that your company uses and HIRED you to learn and administer for them. Knowing linux commands is definitely a good thing to know, however, for a Windows sysadmin, it is NOT mission critical.

    Right now, getting certs on anything non windows related if you are a sysadmin at a company that uses windows is a hobby. Until you get paid for what you know, it is just a hobby. Me? I hate windows and Vista especially. BUT I get paid to administer it so I do what needs to be done to do that well. That includes renewing certs, researching the myriad exploits that are out there everyday, and dealing with crap ware from Redmond. My linux know how is, for the moment, just for my home use and pleasure. Maybe one day I will run into a company or organization that uses a unix based system instead of a doze based system.

    EDIT: What I have tried in the past is to approach my CIO with the idea that we could use linux for certain things or resources and each time he doesn't want to hear it. So this forces me to learn what they want me to learn. BECAUSE of that, Linux is just a hobby....for now.

  20. Re:Just don't bother... by jslater25 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I find to be horribly ironic is that Vista is everything that many users ASKED for. They wanted shiny graphics. They wanted a calendar on the desktop; they wanted to see search capability on the Start menu. IE7 was something IE users requested. Task switching (displaying folders like a Rolodex). My Computer is now simply named Computer to help lessen the confusion. Something called a Breadcrumb Bar. The list goes on.

    Now, before everyone starts bashing me, please note I did not say ALL users asked for this. Nor did I say ANY /. users wanted any part of this. In fact, any techno-literate person would prefer not to have the added processes that Vista has running all the time. Personally, I don't see much point in going to Vista because I don't want a calendar on the desktop, I don't want to sacrifice my collection of games for the few that MS has added only for Vista. I prefer few processes running in the background to optimize my system for what I want running, not what MS believes I should have running.

    Unfortunately for those in an office setting, many will be forced to go to Vista when OEM dealers stop offering XP as an option. I know my office will be looking at Vista within a year because we are too lazy to buy XP licenses and reinstall Windows XP after wiping the HDD of Vista.

  21. Re:HP 2600n is a new breed... by pikine · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Here are the prices I got today from HP's website. After you subtract the unit price by the cost of one black toner and three color tones, you get the hardware cost.

    model unit-price black-toner color-toner hardware-cost
    2600n 400 75 83 76
    3000n 600 133 130 77
    2605dtn 700 75 83 376
    I think that means you get much better hardware with 2605dtn.
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  22. pet operating system by morethanapapercert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IIRC, the PET operating system was BASIC wasn't it? Then some shame is quite appropriate as I am ashamed to admit I still have a "cheat sheet" of PEEK and POKE codes around here somewhere that I used as a reference when writing my very first program. (A steerable rocket ship and asteroids made up of ASCII characters. The asteroids didn't break apart properly but I got an A anyway because I was able to squeeze the whole program into only three cassette tapes!)

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  23. Re:Just extends the captive marketshare... by L0rdJedi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    C:\WINXP>ifconfig
    'ifconfig' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
    operable program or batch file.

    C:\WINXP>doskey ifconfig=ipconfig

    It's never ceased to amaze me the sheer number of workarounds one collects when using or administering Linux systems. To say nothing of the endless variations of config files and values that must be memorised, but change frequently enough (or are different between distros) to remind you that the sum total of your knowledge is mostly a collection of useless trivia.

    Yes, that can be made to always run (from the registry), just like yours will run from .bashrc.