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GM Mosquito Could Fight Malaria

qw0ntum writes "The BBC is reporting that a genetically modified (GM) variety of mosquitoes could be effective in combating the spread of malaria to humans. These GM insects carry a gene that prevents them from being infected by the malaria parasite and has the added benefit of providing a fitness advantage to the mosquitoes. From the article: 'In the laboratory, equal numbers of genetically modified and ordinary wild-type mosquitoes were allowed to feed on malaria-infected mice. As they reproduced, more of the GM, or transgenic, mosquitoes survived. According to the researchers, whose results appear in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal, after nine generations, 70% of the insects belonged to the malaria-resistant strain. [...] The modified mosquitoes had a higher survival rate and laid more eggs.' This has major implications for the billions of people living in areas with endemic malaria. The question in my mind, though, is what effects on the ecosystems of these areas will replacing an organism low on the food chain with a GM version? Between the news we saw last week and biomagnification, could this wind up substituting one problem for another?"

281 comments

  1. GM Mosquito by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I smell a trademark lawsuit coming from Detriot..

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    1. Re:GM Mosquito by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      I was also thinking along this line. But more like SUV mosquitoes. They are bigger, stronger, slower, and really hard to kill.

    2. Re:GM Mosquito by AugustZephyr · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was hoping GM had come up with some new sort of flying subcompact.

    3. Re:GM Mosquito by PPH · · Score: 1

      That's GM's new subcompact Hummer.

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    4. Re:GM Mosquito by Paperweight · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cap'n! The acronyms are overlapping! I can't hold 'em much longer!

  2. Great, just great by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is exactly what we need: mosquitoes that are more likely to survive longer. Now I need to go buy a better bug spray. Thanks, science!

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    1. Re:Great, just great by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, uhhhhh, right. Malaria parasites, like all good parasites, don't kill their primary host right away. They live in its salivary glands so they can infect anything it bites. These mosquitoes aren't going to live longer. They just aren't going to kill people. Normally, that's counted as a good thing.

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    2. Re:Great, just great by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our genetically-superior malaria-resistant blood-sucking overlords.

      [pokes self in eye]

      Self, stop making these clichéd jokes. Sure, it was a low-hanging fruit, but really, can it possibly still be funny?

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    3. Re:Great, just great by The_K4 · · Score: 1

      Ok....but what if in preventing them from being able to carry Malaria we make then MUCH more able to spred West Nile? Or perhaps enable them to carry Bird Flu? I think that this has some potential benifits but also a ton of risks, and we may not know if it's the "right" choice until it's too late.

    4. Re:Great, just great by Fex303 · · Score: 1

      These mosquitoes aren't going to live longer. They just aren't going to kill people. Normally, that's counted as a good thing.

      From the summary:

      These GM insects carry a gene that prevents them from being infected by the malaria parasite and has the added benefit of providing a fitness advantage to the mosquitoes.
      They might not live longer but even a tiny survival advantage could result in huge number of extra mosquitoes. And we don't know what the chances are of the malaria parasite adapting to the new 'super-mozzies'. More mosquitoes and a hardier version of malaria? That would be rather bad. I'm not saying the research is without merit, but I'd really want to know what we're getting in for, since a repeat of Australian Cane Toad introduction would kinda suck. A lot.

      (Pun about mosquitoes and sucking was not intended. Those responsible will face consequences.)

    5. Re:Great, just great by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1
      Oh, come on. If you don't RTFA, at least read TFS.

      From the article: 'In the laboratory, equal numbers of genetically modified and ordinary wild-type mosquitoes were allowed to feed on malaria-infected mice. As they reproduced, more of the GM, or transgenic, mosquitoes survived. According to the researchers, whose results appear in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal, after nine generations, 70% of the insects belonged to the malaria-resistant strain.
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    6. Re:Great, just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [pokes self in eye] It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Then it's just fun.

    7. Re:Great, just great by Cedric+Tsui · · Score: 1

      It is not their malaria resistance which increases their survivability. These mosquitoes also have modifications to make them stronger than the average so that the GM strain would propagate, spreading the malaria resistance among the population.

    8. Re:Great, just great by Arthur+B. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... what if... what if we don't do anything an people die from Malaria. You are trading off a sure gain over very hypothetical risks. Why is that? Why this bias for the status quo? What if the current mosquitoes are currently evolving to be better carriers of the West Nile and this will stop them... what if birds feeding on those mosquitoes don't get the bird flue? I doesn't make less or more sense than your scares. The point is, there is NOT necessary less risk in "not doing something" than in "doing something". Of course we can study those mosquitoes for years while people are dying of malaria, sure.

      Oh, this kind of "scare", "precautionary principle" actually led to DDT being banned in the world, while it had almost crushed malaria in Africa.

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    9. Re:Great, just great by radtea · · Score: 1

      These mosquitoes aren't going to live longer. They just aren't going to kill people. Normally, that's counted as a good thing.

      Several people here have posted wondering if these new bugs will cause unexpected problems. Anyone with a tithe of theoretical or empirical biological knowledge will know that the question is not "if" but "when". Odd though it may sound, unexpected consequences are a certainty--we don't know what they are, but we can be absolutely sure they will happen.

      Any competent project manager is aware of this phenomena, and maintains some give in their schedule or budget to deal with it. Every project has a different set of surprises, but every project has some surprises, and a project manager would have to be a complete drooling idiot not to budget for them even though they have no clue what they will be. Projects that run chronically behind or over budget are typically run by morons who aren't capable of grasping that even though we don't know what surprises are in store, we can be as certain as anything that there will be surprises in store.

      Can you name a single instance anywhere any time that any "benign" organism has been released into the environment and has not resulted in unexpected shifts in ecological equilibria that have had significant negative consequences, often for the humans the introduced organism was originally intended to help?

      The problem with releasing an organism is that people think what they will get is exactly the existing ecosystem completely unchanged except for the envisioned beneficial effects of the organism. There is really no other word for this kind of thinking than "stupid." Introducing a new organism changes the ecological equilibrium in all kinds of unexpected ways due to the nonlinear feedbacks within any ecosystem.

      Weirdly, the same people who claim to understand the problem of unintended consequences of interventionist action in economies are often the ones who are most arrogantly certain that they can predict the exact results of introducing GM organisms into ecologies.

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    10. Re:Great, just great by horos2c · · Score: 1

      The problem with releasing an organism is that people think what they will get is exactly the existing ecosystem completely unchanged except for the envisioned beneficial effects of the organism. There is really no other word for this kind of thinking than "stupid." Introducing a new organism changes the ecological equilibrium in all kinds of unexpected ways due to the nonlinear feedbacks within any ecosystem. Weirdly, the same people who claim to understand the problem of unintended consequences of interventionist action in economies are often the ones who are most arrogantly certain that they can predict the exact results of introducing GM organisms into ecologies.

      Oh come on.. Yes its true that there are perhaps unintended side effects, but you could just as easily say that about genetically modified food, or bacteria to clean up waste, or global trade, or even agriculture and husbandry.

      The truth of the matter is that is what us humans do. We modify existing ecosystems and introduce changes in the ecological equilibrium in all kinds of unexpected ways. And the truth of the matter is that as soon as we stop doing this, we will be at the whims of the ecosystem and its various grisly ways of culling extra population (starvation, disease, predation).

      The truth is also stark - about 500 million people get infected by malaria, and 3 million a year die, mostly under 5 years of age. If we kill off malaria carriers, we save lots of lives, and in the meantime nature has to find a way to evolve around the hosts' resistance, which imposes a cost on the parasite. Maybe we get lucky and the cost is too evolutionarily high, and malaria goes extinct.

      As for the other diseases, none even come close to malaria in their impact. Dengue caused 2000 deaths in 2005, west nile less than 1000, yellow fever about 30000. Those who think 'oh, other diseases could rise therefore we shouldn't fight malaria this way' should really get a clue.

      Ed

    11. Re:Great, just great by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 1

      That's my thought, too. And they lay more eggs. So . . . we get rid of malaria but end up with more mosquitoes?

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    12. Re:Great, just great by PrinceAshitaka · · Score: 1

      I for once do not welcome these genetically-superior malaria-resistant blood-sucking overlords.

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    13. Re:Great, just great by AndersOSU · · Score: 1

      Can you name a single instance anywhere any time that any "benign" organism has been released into the environment and has not resulted in unexpected shifts in ecological equilibria that have had significant negative consequences, often for the humans the introduced organism was originally intended to help?


      How about horses in America, and potatoes in Europe.

      There are plenty of non-native plants and animals that have generally been a boon to society.

      We should worry about unintended side effects, but that isn't to say that we should never introduce anything non-native.
    14. Re:Great, just great by narsiman · · Score: 1

      Wow. I have a great business plan for a bug spray. You see we take this gene and splice it into a mosquito . . . Southpark season 12.

    15. Re:Great, just great by maxume · · Score: 1

      Right, it makes them move competitive in a cage. It isn't going to make it harder for predators to eat them in the wild. If malaria is a significant factor in controlling mosquito population, it would likely cause problems; if malaria is barely relevant to mosquito survival in the wild, the unintended consequences would be wacky indeed.

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    16. Re:Great, just great by cliffski · · Score: 1

      There are CERTAINLY unintended side effects. You can't genetically change an entire species and think you know what the endgame will be, unless you have unlimited computer power for simulations, combined with total knowledge of the entire ecosystem.
      I'm guessing we aren't there yet.
      GM lets us make changes that go beyond normal mutation, which means that if there is some negative side effect that would happen half way along the natural mutation cycle, we aren't letting nature do its job and stop that muattion in its tracks. We are leapfrogging the usual method and introducing a new species.
      The potential for alterations of this kind are huge, and beneficial, but I don't think we know enough about eco systems to try this yet. The problem with releasing GM stuff into the wild is it's like a nuclear launch button, you can't click the undo button when you realise you fucked up big time.

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    17. Re:Great, just great by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      It's quite simple. If we do something about it, then suddenly it becomes our responsibility. If we ignore it, then at least we don't have to take on the responsibility and liability of the situation.

      It's kind of why some people won't give someone CPR, because if they make a mistake and do it wrong then they are at fault (legally and socially) but if they never try at all and play dumb at least they don't feel responsible. I'm not saying it's right or anything, but that is why there is a bias to preserve the status quo.

      If we try to fill the environment with GM mosquitoes and nothing happens, then fine. we wasted some money. no problems there. If we fill the environment with GM mosquitoes and the mutate (as GM things tend to do) and create massive biting swarms or learn to live longer but lose their malaria resistance then that would be pretty bad.

      There is a lot about forever altering a species (that particular mosquito) to eradicate another species (malaria) that should make any person cautious. The idea is that we want those non-GM mosquitoes that do not have natural resistance to malaria to go extinct.

      It might be relatively easy to do, but the bureaucracy and ethics meetings will take decades to complete I suspect. We always read these science fiction books where humanity tries to do something good using a new technology and ends up destroying civilization or forever altering it in some negative way.

      But honestly I don't want to have to answer to third world nations 50 years from now when they ask why we never helped them out. Not only is helping out people less fortunate a good act, it can save them from coming back and destroying you out of anger down the road.

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    18. Re:Great, just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, welcome our GM mosquito overlords.

      But why stop with Malaria? How about flying insect VACCINES?

      Or suck blood and turn different colors for insulin levels?

      Where are the mosquitos that inject people with THC?

      Scientists are really missing the point, (again...)

  3. I, for one... by jas_public · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I, for one, welcome our new bloodsucking overlords. But, seriously folks, those new GM mosquitoes will probably just cross breed with Africanized honeybees and take over the planet.

  4. Mutant Mosquitoes by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... what could possibly go wrong??

    1. Re:Mutant Mosquitoes by Any+Web+Loco · · Score: 4, Funny
    2. Re:Mutant Mosquitoes by kumma · · Score: 1

      1. "The modified mosquitoes had a higher survival rate and laid more eggs."
            --> More mosquitos.

      2. Malaria mutates so that it can infect GM mosquitos.

      3. More death.

    3. Re:Mutant Mosquitoes by inviolet · · Score: 1

      ... what could possibly go wrong??

      Well, if the research I painstakingly conducted in high school is accurate, the new mosquitoes will zoom down from the sky, snatch up humans, haul them up into the clouds, and transform them into mutants. The mutants fly erratically, fire weapons in all directions, and will be hella difficult for even the new F-22 Raptors to shoot down.

      Good thing we've got smart-bomb technology.

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    4. Re:Mutant Mosquitoes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean a worse movie than that!! :)

      But honestly what if suddenly this new mosquito gives up on malaria and starts to carry other bad ass stuff, some VD virii or bacteria. I mean we dont need [']ollywood anymore to help us think of what could happen.

      We'll have previously "controlled" diseases literally flying through the air and we will have only ourselves (read as scientists) to blame.

      who cares though, someone will make billions, lots of people will bear the shit. and we will start crying all over again about how unfair the world is.

      anonymousE

    5. Re:Mutant Mosquitoes by h2_plus_O · · Score: 1

      ...except that the higher survival rate was determined to be due to their immunity to malaria. ...meaning that if malaria mutates so that it can infect GM mosquitoes, the 'more mosquitos' part of your scenario either doesn't happen, or it self-corrects as more GM mosquitoes contract the new strain of malaria.

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    6. Re:Mutant Mosquitoes by kumma · · Score: 1

      "However, when both sets of insects were fed non-infected blood they competed equally well."
      I somehow missed that one.

      Did the story tell, that normal mosquitoes laid more eggs if not infected Or did it tell that
      GM mosquitoes laid more eggs when fed with infected blood? ;)

  5. YES! NO MORE MALARIA! by DJCacophony · · Score: 3, Funny

    Alright! It's about time we found a way to fight Malaria! Up until now there have been no treatments for it. Next stop, mosquitos that fight smallpox!

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    1. Re:YES! NO MORE MALARIA! by CodeShark · · Score: 1

      Well, less anyway. But the other part of your comment has a truly interesting thought in it... What if human biting mosquitoes could be genetically modified (with the stipulation that there be no unintended side effects) to pass on a vaccine or class of vaccines?

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    2. Re:YES! NO MORE MALARIA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if human biting mosquitoes could be genetically modified (with the stipulation that there be no unintended side effects) to pass on a vaccine or class of vaccines?


      Faster mutation of viruses and bacteria to resist vaccines maybe? Not sure if that problem applies to vaccines like it would if you used mosquitos to deliver antibiotics. The most frightening thing about such research is that it might be modified to design GM mosquitoes to deliver biological warfare agents and once in the wild,,,,
    3. Re:YES! NO MORE MALARIA! by DavidShor · · Score: 1

      Vaccine doses need to be tightly regulated. What if someone is bit twice?

    4. Re:YES! NO MORE MALARIA! by CodeShark · · Score: 1
      Good point. i.e. does enoughed weakened virus (repeated bites) stack up to a bio- hazard level. Or does the first bite give the person's immune system enough warning that it is already ramping up so that the "re-infections with the weakened virii" from repeated bites simply get killed off quicker and quicker.


      Also, introducing even weakened virus versions versus an HIV- or other immuno-compromised immune system is a horribly BAD idea, so on the surface this pretty much eliminates mosquito based vaccine vectoring as a possibility. Unless of course it was initially the HIV virus being targeted by the vaccine, is some way that repeated bites simply increased the speed that the body kills the HIV with.

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    5. Re:YES! NO MORE MALARIA! by DavidShor · · Score: 1

      It could still be helpful, just not for humans. If we quickly need to vaccinate every chicken in Angola against avian flu, we would tolerate a couple chickens dieing of overdose in exchange for massively cheaper cost.

  6. Building a better mosquito by coolmoose25 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who would have thought that we would build a better mosquito rather than continuing to try and control/eradicate them. I am concerned about unintended consequences, but this is fundamentally a new approach to modifying our environment... rather than trying to kill them off and ending up hurting food chains, we just "tweak" them to keep millions of people from dying from them...

    I think it is a good thing.

    //now, let the killer bee comparison commence

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    1. Re:Building a better mosquito by Psmylie · · Score: 2, Informative
      Yeah, I have to agree... When I went to read the wiki on this, I was amazed to find out exacly how bad this disease is... 300-400 million infected each year, 1-3 million of those who end up dead, and probably millions more with permanent brain damage. There may be negative side effects, but its really hard to imagine the cure being worse than the disease.

      Unless, of course, the parasite adapts to the new super-mosquitos and create a new, super malaria that is more infectious with a higher mortality rate.

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    2. Re:Building a better mosquito by profplump · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, killer bees aren't bad -- they were created by selective breeding, not direct genetic manipulation, which means they are "natural" and therefore not dangerous unlike these terrible GM mosquitos and GM corn abominations.

    3. Re:Building a better mosquito by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, I'm posting this AC for obvious reasons (not very PC and all that...)

      But I'm wondering - malaria mostly affects poor 3rd world populations - birth control in said populations is somewhat "problematic" (i.e. those poor people often breed far beyond their means) - but death rate is also higher, due to malaria and other circumstances - now, some do-gooder westener comes and upsets the natural balance dramatically..... Might cause some indirect, but unpleasant side-effects (famine, deforestation, war...)

      Might it not be more prudent to let nature run its own, less hasty, course?

    4. Re:Building a better mosquito by kripkenstein · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, the parasite adapts to the new super-mosquitos and create a new, super malaria that is more infectious with a higher mortality rate.

      By malaria adapting to the 'super-mosquitos', it would be creating a different version of itself. Not a 'super-malaria', except from the point of view of the super-mosquitos. By being a different form of malaria specially-adapted to the new super-mosquitoes, we can expect it to be less virulent against humans. At start, anyhow. Given time, it may adapt to humans as well.

      But there is no reason I can see that would imply it is likely to be any worse than the current malaria, as regards humans. It would probably start out weaker against humans, but in essence we are 'rolling the dice', so any final outcome is possible. Given that malaria is already so devastating, and that the most likely result is a less virulent malaria for humans, I would say that this appears to be a reasonable calculated risk.
    5. Re:Building a better mosquito by couchslug · · Score: 1

      Millions of people die from malaria because they relentlessly choose to live in unsuitable areas and make the whole litany of social and cultural mistakes that leave their countries vulnerable.

      Instead of making a GM super'squito to fight malaria (and later carry a worse payload in its robust little body) we should do nothing.

      Let the humans adapt their behaviors and make different choices instead. If they won't, nature will continue to take its course.

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    6. Re:Building a better mosquito by Rohan427 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, right, it's always been a good thing to screw with nature. Mankind has always been successful at that, we're such masters of our environment.

      PGA

    7. Re:Building a better mosquito by Eccles · · Score: 1

      No. People have lots of kids in large part because many won't survive, and they want kids who will help then in their old age. By increasing the odds that children will survive, you decrease the number they need for that support. Moreover, people with malaria are less productive and consume resources that could be devoted to other things.

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    8. Re:Building a better mosquito by Knux · · Score: 1

      Or....

      Did You know that humans with a genetic disease that causes the production of Hemoglobin S (wich has a bad formation), don't get malaria?

      We could make genetic modified humans that have only Hemoglobin S and then malaria would be gone.

      One side effect would be anemy...

    9. Re:Building a better mosquito by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      In related news, there is also a plan to free the world from tooth decay by introducing a GM strain of mouth bacteria that out-competes existing strains yet doesn't produce the acids which damage teeth. It's an interesting technique with a lot of promise, but also a lot of risk.

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    10. Re:Building a better mosquito by Knux · · Score: 1

      I didn't find any Wikipidia entry on this disease, so I'll just try to explain..

      The hemoglobins in this case aren't biconcave, they're more like a scythe... So the parasites just can't infect them... It's quite usual on areas where malaria is widely spread... Makes me think: wouldn't it be easier to let nature takes its course and select the adaptable humans?

    11. Re:Building a better mosquito by greenguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm posting this AC for obvious reasons

      You're afraid to have your name -- excuse me, your Slashdot nick -- associated with your ideas?

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    12. Re:Building a better mosquito by Psmylie · · Score: 1

      If malaria gets wiped off the map, that's more time and resources these folks would have to spend on developing farmlands, hospitals, roads, schools, etc. All of which would greatly improve their lives signifigantly. You'd see a sharp spike in population as folks continue to have kids at the same rate, but after a couple of generations that would start to slow down. Getting rid of malaria really seems to be a win/win situation. The above, of course, is just my opinion and may or may not be true :)

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    13. Re:Building a better mosquito by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      ... No, killer bees aren't bad -- they were created by selective breeding, not direct genetic manipulation, which means they are "natural" and therefore not dangerous unlike these terrible GM mosquitos and GM corn abominations. ...

      Just because the genetic manipulation is done in-vitro, rather than in-vivo doesn't make it "bad". It's still genetic manipulation.

      If "natural" killer bees go round killing lots of people and "Terrible" GM mosquitos stop people catching malaria, which is good and which is bad?

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    14. Re:Building a better mosquito by jswigart · · Score: 1

      Clearly you have no clue about the locations or the people that live in the problem areas. Your blaming of the victims is a clear show of your ignorance.

    15. Re:Building a better mosquito by Chapium · · Score: 1

      The problem however is the impact malaria has on societies in tropical regions. The lost productivity in these areas due to the impact of disease is at least a part of why these societies struggle to compete with their northern and southern contemporaries. Increasing productivity is almost always a win for everyone, so I don't see why a policy of letting nature run its own course would be worth sticking to.

    16. Re:Building a better mosquito by h2_plus_O · · Score: 1

      This is the article you were looking for.

      Sickle Cell disease provides resistance to malaria, but at a steep cost- because of the resulting shape of RBCs, individuals who express Hgb S are at a significantly higher risk for Vaso-Occlusive crises than are other individuals. Think: when blood must filter through small vessels and becomes blocked, we see fun things like auto-splenectomies (where the spleen dies due to lack of blood flow) and liver failure (for the same reason). This in turn renders the individual more susceptible to infections, general organ failures, and typically shortened lifespan. The genetic advantage to this trait is that it allows you to live to sexual maturity and pass on that trait. The downside is that you don't get much beyond that.

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    17. Re:Building a better mosquito by rthille · · Score: 1

      The humans are adopting their behavior. The behavior the humans have decided to adopt is to GE mosquitos and make them resistant to malaria.

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    18. Re:Building a better mosquito by gacl · · Score: 1

      I agree, if we eliminate every single disease, how is nature supposed to control the size of the human population? . . as it has been doing for hundreds of thousands of years? I mean, death and suffering are a functional and indispensable part of the animal societies, aren't they?

    19. Re:Building a better mosquito by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Clearly you have no clue about the locations or the people that live in the problem areas. Your blaming of the victims is a clear show of your ignorance.

      By that token, the grandparent is a victim of his ignorance and you're blaming him for it. Don't blame the victim. Educate him.

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  7. Ford? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has got to hurt the already beleagured Ford Motor Company.

    1. Re:Ford? by Mon_Slashdot · · Score: 1

      So Did I.

  8. Why am I reminded of this Simpsons exchange: by condour75 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Skinner: Well, I was wrong; the lizards are a godsend.
    Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
    Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
    Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
    Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
    Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
    Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

  9. Setting up for disaster by RingDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a really risky move. Sure, the mosquitoes are now immune to Malaria and will no longer carry it. But what if this immunity protects them from some other virus that is capable of surviving in the mosquito for longer? Now you have suddenly increased the mosquito population, made it harder to kill the population and made them carriers for some new pathogen that may be just as deadly as Malaria. Genetically modifying something that low on the food change can and will have dramatic effects on the rest of the environment. Why would we run that risk for a problem that can be handled through immunization and treatment? Sure, medical coverage sucks ass in the jungle, but things could get a lot worse if the new mosquitoes carry a new problem into all of the local villages.

    -Rick

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    1. Re:Setting up for disaster by Ichoran · · Score: 5, Informative

      The protein that is introduced is specific for malaria. And that is specific for the entry of Plasmodium, the protozoa (i.e. eukaryote) that causes malaria. I's not a virus, not even a bacterium. So your fears are unfounded, at least in the form that you stated them.

    2. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Genetically modifying something that low on the food change can and will have dramatic effects on the rest of the environment.

      Mosquitoes are not low on the food chain.

      If anything, they're high on the food chain. Humans and other large mammals (ninjas?) are their food.

    3. Re:Setting up for disaster by Alioth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The mosquito isn't the actual problem - the problem is if you create sufficient selective pressure against the malaria parasite, eventually you'll get malaria parasites resistant to the gene in these mosquitos and will be back at square 1 again.

    4. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed....very risky with the laws of unintended consequences being what they are. However we are probably safe because the same political, social, and economic forces that prevent certain peoples from receiving basic vaccines in the first place would likely easily stop the modification of an entire species of insect.

      As smart as we humans sometimes are, basic incompetence is also part of the package.

    5. Re:Setting up for disaster by RingDev · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Close, but not quite, you'll wind up WORSE off because you now have a bread of mosquitoes that are more likely to grow into adulthood. So not only do you have a new virus to worry about (one that may requires new R&D to develop immunizations and treatments for) but you also have a large mosquito population that is more resilient to traditional means of population control.

      -Rick

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    6. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Where are you getting this BS about more resistent to population control? The reason that mosquitoes were in greater numbers was a lack of the malaria parasite in the mosquitoes. If the malaria parasite somehow mutated or evolved to these new mosquitoes, I would believe we would be back to square one, not worse off.

    7. Re:Setting up for disaster by RingDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if you completely rule out any possibility of a new, or mutated virus/disease that may occur due to lack of competition of resources, you still have the numerous other mosquito borne diseases that will be on the rise due to the increase in mosquito population. Yellow Fever, West Nile, Encephalitis, and a hand full of other wonderful ailments would not be effect by the alteration, but would be effected by the increase in population.

      -Rick

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    8. Re:Setting up for disaster by mpe · · Score: 1

      The mosquito isn't the actual problem - the problem is if you create sufficient selective pressure against the malaria parasite, eventually you'll get malaria parasites resistant to the gene in these mosquitos and will be back at square 1 again.

      The problem with most parsites is that they have very short life cycles. For that matter so do mosquitos.

    9. Re:Setting up for disaster by Mab_Mass · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is a really risky move.

      To be sure, but from TFA:

      "I think it will be 10 to 20 years before transgenic mosquitoes are released into nature. It's very difficult to predict what will happen when we release these things," he added.

      "There is quite a lot of research that needs to be done, both in terms of genetics and the ecology of the mosquitoes; and also research to address all the social, ethical and legal issues associated with releasing transgenic organisms into the environment."

      It is good to see that the scientists involved are, well, being good scientists.

    10. Re:Setting up for disaster by inviolet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would we run that risk for a problem that can be handled through immunization and treatment?

      Malaria isn't feasible to handle through immunization and treatment, because malaria occurs in wet, nasty, remote, impoverished, quarrelsome places. You may now argue that such problems can be handled with a sufficient application of dumptruck loads of money, but again, the dumptruck loads of money are not interested in being applied to those areas of the world.

      Indeed, malaria has probably killed more humans than anything else in history. And now you sound like Marie Antoinette -- "Let them get treatment!"

      The unintended consequences of these GM mosquitoes would have to be severe in order to outweigh such a colossal improvement in lifespan and quality-of-life as this would bring to all the unfashionable places in the world.

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    11. Re:Setting up for disaster by jimstapleton · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, they are low on the food web

      The food chain implys there are no cycles and cross-linkages so to speak.

      Mosquitos eat plant matter normally, only the females drink blood, and then only when they are pregnant. So most of the time they are quite low, and plenty of stuff eats them. Actually, the only mosquitos that are truely carnivorus for at least part of their life cycles (and in both genders), only eat other mosquito species at that stage...

      Just beacause it's a predator in some cases, doen't mean it can't be prey in others: Consider that a wild dog/wolf will eat a a samller cat (or would be eaten by a lion or other big cat). In all of these cases of eating, it is a predator that eats another predator.

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    12. Re:Setting up for disaster by bberens · · Score: 1

      Who is at the top of the circle of life? Is that anything like sitting at the head of the Round Table?

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    13. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      there are no vaccines for malaria or any other parasitical disease

      if your child was one of the three million that are going to die this year from malaria you might see the problem differently

    14. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about biowarfare? Why not ADDING diseases to the mosquitos arsenal? This is some powerful science that could very well lead to a scary war.

    15. Re:Setting up for disaster by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      ... Genetically modifying something that low on the food change[sic] ...

      I'm not sure how low a mosquito is on the food chain considering it feeds on humans? Not sure what eats mosquito's.

      Not a criticism, just wondering.

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    16. Re:Setting up for disaster by RingDev · · Score: 1

      "The unintended consequences of these GM mosquitoes would have to be severe in order to outweigh such a colossal improvement in lifespan and quality-of-life as this would bring to all the unfashionable places in the world."

      Now that is an excellent point! You'll have to excuse my miss-statement in my original post. I had Yellow Fever (easily immunized) and Malaria (not immunizable) backwards.

      -Rick

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    17. Re:Setting up for disaster by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      Fools, blah blah... blew it up, blah blah... damn you to all hell, blah blah

    18. Re:Setting up for disaster by jamesshuang · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The consequences are indeed quite SEVERE if this GM mosquito doesn't work like we expect it to. It's stronger than natural mosquitoes, making it harder to control. This alone makes it a very dangerous feature.

      If anything, they should do a test using a specially designed mosquito. This breed must be sexually incompatible with natural mosquitos and they should lack some critical non-natural nutrient in order to survive. By releasing them into an area and only providing this nutrient source in that one area, it's possible to safely test to see how an ecosystem would react to a GM mosquito. Of course this will still not eliminate the possibility of a mutation that could disable the "death gene" and cause a dangerous spreading of the GM mosquito...

    19. Re:Setting up for disaster by whalewatcher · · Score: 1
      The malaria parasite is a protozoan, not a virus. The modification targets infection by this parasite specifically.

      Malaria is not a problem that can be handled through immunization. Lack of adequate treatments and widespread drug resistance make this a killer disease. Note however that this research is being carried out with a strain of Plasmodium (malaria parasites) that is specific to mice. We are a long way away from trials with strains that infect humans, let alone field experiments with GM mosquitoes.

    20. Re:Setting up for disaster by Tatarize · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree. I'll take that crap shoot. Under box number 1, you have a solution to a problem which kills millions upon millions of people. Under the mystery box you have perhaps nothing.

      Honestly, I don't think the FUD is warranted. Oddly enough though, I thought of this same solution several years ago. Seemed like a pretty good thing to do. Just fix the genes and improve the bug and you have yourself a solution after a few years. I wonder if the religious right will get pissed that people are solving the world's problems using natural selection.

      In theory the carrying capacity should be stable in the mosquito population (not suddenly over-run with bugs). Really all the improvement seems to do is make those mosquitoes immune to the parasite. So the new gene protects the mosquito and by proxy us. Basically they would be introducing a new gene into the population rather than a new bug. This improved gene should increase in frequency and as a result destroy the population of Malaria.

      The article is wrong that the mosquito need compete better even in a malaria free environment. Why the hell would that be the case? We should only care about them in the malaria environment. In fact, it would be the best if they competed worse in areas without malaria. That way the gene population would drop very low when Malaria does. When the gene solves the problem, having it die out would be the best solution.

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    21. Re:Setting up for disaster by backwardMechanic · · Score: 1

      The unintended consequences may be severe. We don't know. That's the point. And once something like this is released into the wild, there is no going back.

      Now if we take the money needed to bring GM mosquito's to market and use it to buy vaccines, how much of the malaria problem can we solve? Remember, science ain't cheap. Or is it that because malaria occurs in wet, nasty, remote, impoverished, quarrelsome places, if it goes wrong we can always forget about it and go home.

    22. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You learned all your genetics from comic books, didn't you?

    23. Re:Setting up for disaster by ikkonoishi · · Score: 4, Informative
      RTFA

      The approach exploits the fact that the health of infected mosquitoes is itself compromised by the parasite they spread. Insects that cannot be invaded by the parasite are therefore likely to be fitter and out-compete their disease-carrying counterparts.


      The only advantage the parasite free mosquitoes have is that they don't carry the parasite. Its not like they increased their breeding rate or anything. When there is a source of uninfected blood the GM mosquitoes lose their advantage.
    24. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a terrific idea! Only, instead of mosquitoes, let's do something cooler. How about...dinosaurs?

    25. Re:Setting up for disaster by SEE · · Score: 2, Informative

      Now if we take the money needed to bring GM mosquito's to market and use it to buy vaccines, how much of the malaria problem can we solve?

      None of it. No vaccine exists for malaria, though we've been trying to develop one for decades.

      We could spend it on prophylactic drugs, but all the known prophylactics have serious side effects that make them unsuited for long-term use -- and long-term use would be required for people living their whole lives in a malarial area.

      Spending the money on indoor residual DDT spraying would work fairly well, but there's an aversion by environmentalists to spraying DDT.

      Spending it on bed nets would work well, if it weren't for the fact that proper bed nets make excellent fishing nets, and thus wind up diverted from their intended use. (And then have severe environmental impact as people do things like net an entire river, indiscriminately catching all the fish.)

    26. Re:Setting up for disaster by coinreturn · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Its not like they increased their breeding rate or anything.

      RTFA yourself:

      The modified mosquitoes had a higher survival rate and laid more eggs.

      Ergo, more mosquitos.

    27. Re:Setting up for disaster by MrMarket · · Score: 1

      Its not like they increased their breeding rate or anything.

      RTFA yourself:

      The modified mosquitoes had a higher survival rate and laid more eggs.

      Ergo, more mosquitos.
      Keep reading:

      However, when both sets of insects were fed non-infected blood they competed equally well.
    28. Re:Setting up for disaster by jamesshuang · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that? Monsanto does it frequently for their GM corn to avoid dangerously spreading the crop. Granted it's probably a lot harder for an animal instead of a plant, but genes do exist for autotermination. One exists in humans already, instead in the opposite direction. Phenylketonuria, or PKU patients cannot eat foods with phenylalanine. It's standard practice to couple transfection studies of bacteria with an antibiotic resistance gene, then grow them on media containing antibiotics. In fact, I did that one in high school biology (albeit unsuccessfully). Sterility can be easily induced through a variety of genetic modifications. Perhaps it's your chance to review on modern genetic manipulation techniques?

    29. Re:Setting up for disaster by HiThere · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yah, it's a risk. What isn't?

      You always find yourself needing to do cost-benefit analyses. This one *looks* fairly safe, and the gain could be huge. So far I haven't seen any reasonable projection of large downsides. (Actually, I haven't seen any reasonable projection of *ANY* downsides...except the guy who said "Great, now I need a better bug spray!".)

      Considering that malaria kills large numbers of people every year, and renders another large number minimally productive... the one cost I see is that equatorial areas might experience a surge in population. That seems ... well, not tolerable, but a "necessarily acceptable cost". One hopes that birth control will be accepted, also. If one starts eliminating all natural causes of death, one needs to drastically slow the birth rate. Preferably before it gets to the point where the government feels the need to do as China did. (It's a lousy policy. It's socially destructive. But it's better than increased population pressure. Personally I think they should have taken social costs into consideration and altered it to "You can have kids until you have a son. Then *NO MORE*, or else. With China's social history that would have been less socially destructive than it's current "Two kids, that's all" approach. But this is just fine tuning. Malthus rules.)

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    30. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Currently, there is no immunity against malaria. The drugs against it must be taken at regular intervals.

    31. Re:Setting up for disaster by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sorry to disagree, but there are parasitical diseases for which there are "immunizations". (I'm not certain that it's proper to call them vaccines, but they look the same and act the same.)

      OTOH, malairia isn't one of them. (Well, there's this one vaccine in early alpha that looks promissing...if all those dying people would just wait a couple of decades so we could get the bugs out and do the Q/A tests...)

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    32. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your definition of "modern" is the 1970's.

    33. Re:Setting up for disaster by jamesshuang · · Score: 1

      I'm lost, what exactly are you trying to imply? Yes, some of these techniques did exist in the 1970's, but Monsanto sure wasn't making GM corn around then, that was late 80's/early 90's. The manipulations that I used as examples are pretty common genetic manipulation techniques used in labs today.

    34. Re:Setting up for disaster by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with viruses. your just fear mongering.

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    35. Re:Setting up for disaster by maop · · Score: 1
      You keep reading:

      For resistant mosquitoes to be useful in the wild, they must survive better than non-resistant mosquitoes even when not exposed to malaria.
      Therefore the next modification would be to make the mosquitoes more fit in the absence of malaria. That could be a bad move.
    36. Re:Setting up for disaster by naoursla · · Score: 1

      Or malaria adapts into a stronger form that can survive in the new hardier mosquitos. Maybe the mosquitos have a wider range of living conditions and malaria becomes a problem in new places.

    37. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I wonder if the religious right will get pissed that people are solving the world's problems >using natural selection.

      Don't forget the liberal environmental left screaming about the extinction of the malaria ridden older model.

    38. Re:Setting up for disaster by RingDev · · Score: 1

      "You always find yourself needing to do cost-benefit analyses. This one *looks* fairly safe, and the gain could be huge. So far I haven't seen any reasonable projection of large downsides."

      Yup, that is my typical approach to problems. Unfortunately this time I blundered into that decision without double checking my facts. For some reason I was thinking of Yellow Fever instead of Malaria. We have an immunization for Yellow Fever, and treatment options. Meaning that the opportune cost (continuing immunization) has a significantly lower potential risk to the environment than the genetic modification of a low in the food chain insect. But, this isn't about yellow fever, it's about Malaria, which we have no immunization for (because it's not a virus) and treatment options (especially in the 3rd world) are severely limited.

      With that in mind, GMing mosquitoes sounds like a decent possibility. I'm still cautious, but when the opportune cost (continuing the current lack of progress) costs hundreds of thousands of lives a year, the risk vs reward is starting to look promising.

      -Rick

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    39. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because these new mosquitos will only overtake the old ones if they have a breeding advantage, so that would also have to be added. If you won't apply common sense to recognize that fact, then RTFA.

    40. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually most true predators that generally only eat meat (like lions, wolves, hyenas, etc.) may kill other predators but they usually won't eat them. They simply kill them to eliminate competition... but this is off topic.

    41. Re:Setting up for disaster by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Too bad that doesn't apply so easily to humans. It might be nice to get rid of the ignorance-ridden older models.

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    42. Re:Setting up for disaster by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      Yep.

    43. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boooring ... send them out right now. I want to see what happens!

      But, of course, NIMBY :-)

    44. Re:Setting up for disaster by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      Except now we have new, most probably fitter strains of malaria. The new strain would probably nullify the selective advantage of the new mosquito, putting them back on a level playing field with the originals as you say. This defeats the purpose of introducing the new mosquito as it is unlikely the old species of both insect and parasite would be eliminated by the time the malaria parasite evolved. So now we have two diseases with two carriers who are unlikely to out compete each other to extinction, and are twice as worse off.

    45. Re:Setting up for disaster by Proofof.+Chaos · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Considering there have been vaccines for malaria for decades, why are they doing this research?

    46. Re:Setting up for disaster by Proofof.+Chaos · · Score: 1

      [looks below] Oh, I thought there were vaccines for malaria. Then what were those pills they gave soldiers in Vietnam?

    47. Re:Setting up for disaster by Proofof.+Chaos · · Score: 1

      Frogs? Fish? Bats?

    48. Re:Setting up for disaster by Proofof.+Chaos · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the religious right will get pissed that people are solving the world's problems using natural selection. The religious right never complains about benefiting from the theories of Darwin, only about people acting as if they are true.
    49. Re:Setting up for disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it would be better if the GM mosquito outcompeted the old-fashioned mosquitos in the absence of malaria. Otherwise, malaria is not wiped out but becomes cyclical. The GM mosquito is introduced and malaria susceptible mosquito populations and the infected blood supply decrease. Then, because the infected blod supply is decreased, there is no check on the population of malaria susceptible mosquitos. As these increase again, the supply of malaria infected blood increases (as do human deaths) until the cycle repeats. If the GM mosquito continued to outcompete the malaria susceptible mosquitos, then the old-fashioned mosquitos might be nearly or completely wiped out, eliminating them as a vector on a more permanent basis.

      However, the downside as previous posters mentioned is that either the overall mosquito population would grow, thereby increasing the prevalence of other mosquito-borne pathogens, or some predator population would increase to handle the increased food supply and keep the overall population in check.

    50. Re:Setting up for disaster by Tatarize · · Score: 1

      The older gene wouldn't die out, it would after the end of the malaria infections sit in lower levels in the gene pool. Without malaria the gene becomes selectively neutral. I'm as liberal as they come, and honestly I'll take several million lives a year over a reduction of a certain gene in the mosquito population. Though, I suppose I would be lying if I said what you suggest would definitely not happen. That said, what you suggest would definitely not happen.

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    51. Re:Setting up for disaster by Tatarize · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't have any faith that a gene which serves to aid in the malaria population and detract in a non-malaria population would stay that way. The gene might evolve a work around for the problem after all. Really, I suppose neutral without malaria is probably best. No need to get fancy. And certainly no need to create a cycle of Malaria.

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    52. Re:Setting up for disaster by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Or the new alterations could make them cure cancer. Stranger stuff has happened where genetic mutations are involved. In 500 years for all we know mosquitoes could be a symbiotic relationship with human kind as important as the one we have with the bacteria in our bowels.

  10. Not Quite ... by DarrenR114 · · Score: 0

    Given, this will go a long way toward *preventing* future cases of malaria.

    But there is still no cure for it. People who contract malaria keep it for a lifetime. It would be nice to find a way to *cure* malaria in addition to *preventing* it.

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    1. Re:Not Quite ... by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That depends on the strain of malaria contracted, and even then it is in dispute. (It is hard to tell if certain froms of malaria are cured or just dormant without removing your liver and dissecting it...)

      This would do more than just prevent it, though: It has the potential to erradicate it: Malaria only spreads via mosquitos, and it needs a certain 'resident infected population' to remain viable in an area. If a large enough percentage of mosquitos don't transmit it, less people will be infected, and the desease could just die out from being unable to spread.

      From what I see they are being careful: testing in contained environments the new mosquitos' reaction to various situations. This could be a very good thing...

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    2. Re:Not Quite ... by DarrenR114 · · Score: 0

      >This could be a very good thing...

      absolutely.

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  11. Huh? by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 1, Troll

    Surely the better solution is to use drugs etc to control Malaria instead of make some superbug that will eventually have some supermalaria? It's not as if controlling Malaria is an expensive or unknown problem.

    1. Re:Huh? by solevita · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not as if controlling Malaria is an expensive or unknown problem.
      On that point you're very wrong. Sure, for Westerners its easy to travel to malaria ridden areas and not be affected; I recently spent a month in east Africa and spent well over £100 making sure I didn't get malaria. Unfortunately these drugs are horrendously expensive; for some places £100 could be ten years wages for somebody, or even an entire family. Spending £100 in a month is absolutely unimaginable.

      Malaria kills millions of people each year. You're wrong, present methods of controlling malaria are expensive and unknown for the people that actually require them. I'm not sure that GM is the way to go, but I'm sure that something needs to be done, not for us holiday makers, but for those people that live in areas where malaria is rampant and the average wage is practically nothing a day.

      And I'm a little worried that someone modded you as funny.
    2. Re:Huh? by AliasTheRoot · · Score: 1

      I'm also surprised that I was modded funny. Maybe someone has had too many bongs today and liked my name.

      Quinine is not expensive.

    3. Re:Huh? by bitt3n · · Score: 0, Troll

      Surely the better solution is to use drugs etc to control Malaria instead of make some superbug that will eventually have some supermalaria? It's not as if controlling Malaria is an expensive or unknown problem.
      That's just it. Current malaria drugs are all off patent. If we increase the resistance of mosquitoes, we can hopefully breed more powerful malaria that requires new drugs, which means new patents and a profit windfall, all for the sake of fighting this tragic and debilitating illness.
    4. Re:Huh? by Chmcginn · · Score: 1

      Quinine is not expensive.
      It's also a treatment one would have to take for life, as it does nothing to cure malaria. Oh, and there's some member of the Plasmodium genus that have developed resistance to quinine, as well as the more expensive (and more effective) drugs.
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    5. Re:Huh? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      How much does your foil hat weigh?

    6. Re:Huh? by JRaven · · Score: 1

      Quinine is not expensive. Well, that's debateable, but irrelevant. Quinine is not a viable long-term malaria preventative. It requires daily doses and has common side-effects of varying degrees of unpleasantness.
    7. Re:Huh? by solevita · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quinine is not expensive.
      I love your assertion that all those people that have spent their entire lives and billions of billions of whatever currency you want to mention, missed something that you, random guy off Slashdot, knew all along.

      I'm no expert in this sort of thing by any stretch of the imagination, but if it was all as easy and as cheap as you say, don't you think someone else would have also come up with the same idea?

      I can just see some research scientist checking the front page of /. before making a phone call: "Sorry sir, it was all a waste of time, we should of stuck with Quinine all along. I've got plenty of it here, bring the Gin and meet me in my office after lunch".
    8. Re:Huh? by AJWM · · Score: 3, Informative

      Quinine is not expensive.

      It's also relatively useless against malaria, and has been for years. Pity, really, I rather enjoy a nice gin'n'tonic in malaria-infested areas. (Tonic water is flavored with quinine.)

      About twenty years ago (last time I was in malaria country) the drug of choice was chloroquine -- a quinine derivative, yes, but not quinine. Even then, there were warnings about some areas where chloroquine-resistant malaria was prevalent. That resistance is pretty much everywhere, these days. The effective antimalarials are also pretty rough on the system if you're taking them for more than a couple of months.

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    9. Re:Huh? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      It's been many years since I lived in West Africa, and malaria has mutated since then. Last I heard from a Peace corp volunteer, the preventative isn't 100%, as she picked up a "mild" case of malaria. I'll bet if you attempt to give blood for the next few years, your blood won't be put in the general pool, just in case.

      It's the same with the cure. There are some good, expensive (relative to Africa) cures, but they are not 100%, and you can still have a relapse years later.

      Marlaria is a nasty, expensive disease, because it doesn't just kill a person right out, but takes then out of the job pool for a long time, and keeps coming back in waves before it finally kills them. Still, I'm not comfortable with messing with the insect that carries yellow fever and encephalitis.

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    10. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your attitude to medication is a bit casual. Have you ever been on quinine? (nasty side effects). Chloroquine and Maloprim together didn't stop me getting malaria (bouts recurring 7 times over a 2 year period before being able to eradicate it - and not much fun I can tell you). At least I could afford and obtain the medication, unlike 95% of the people in the country I was living in at the time. Modifying the mosquito is a less radical solution than eliminating it with DDT (as was done in the swamps of Florida), and the risks to the food web likely to be less serious. Obviously you don't release such an organism without extensive testing, but malaria is such a serious disease, it would be foolish not consider all the possibilities.

  12. Bah! by paladinwannabe2 · · Score: 1

    I knew someone else would use that predictable, overused meme before I could!

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  13. more modification by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

    that's cool

    Now just need to modify the mosquitoes more to only use rodents as their food source (and not as resistant to malaria or some disease that's fatal to rodents) so that they will help reduce the rodent population.

  14. 2-3 million deaths a year is a lark to you, is it? by spun · · Score: 0, Troll

    Read up on malaria before making dumb jokes, m'kay?

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  15. Just use DDT by toupsie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do we have to create mutant mosquitos when we can use good old DDT? All we have to do is get rich, white people to get off their high horses at cocktail parties so the rest of the world can be saved from this horrible disease. Too many people have died from malaria because of Silent Spring.

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    1. Re:Just use DDT by Ichoran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The answer to all statements of the type "Just use (toxin)" is that you'll end up with (toxin)-resistant mosquitos, and then you're back where you started. In cases where you need some temporary relief, and the known toxic effects of DDT are less bad than the thing that you want relief from, sure, use it. But don't expect it to be a long-term solution.

    2. Re:Just use DDT by sethg · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is no ban against using DDT for disease control. It's still used to fight malaria--in countries where widespread agricultural use of DDT has not made the local mosquitoes evolve DDT resistance. If it weren't for Silent Spring, there'd be a lot more DDT-resistant mosquitoes out there.

      See here for details.

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    3. Re:Just use DDT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I learned in school that mosquitos nowadays are practically immune to DDT.

      But I don't really have any source to verify that so maybe I'm wrong.

    4. Re:Just use DDT by greenguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right -- instead of the white people on their high horses at cocktail parties, we better listen to the white people shouting at each other over the pro wrestling on TV as they slurp their Bud Light.

      Or we could leave the ad homenim attacks aside, and take a look at the evidence.

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    5. Re:Just use DDT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      you'll end up with (toxin)-resistant mosquitos

      well, normally you would be correct, but DDT is the nuclear weapon of insecticide. There is a certain level where you do not end up with toxin-resistant mosquitos, and this is pretty much it. You can't say, "if we nuke China we'll just end up with nuke-resistant Chinese."

    6. Re:Just use DDT by Garse+Janacek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do we have to create mutant mosquitos when we can use good old DDT? All we have to do is get rich, white people to get off their high horses at cocktail parties so the rest of the world can be saved from this horrible disease.

      Wow, you paint an impressive caricature of anyone who could possibly disagree with you. However, your suggested solution (and the accompanying ad hominem) is just as simplistic as the opposing view that DDT is an unmitigated evil.

      For someone who is not rich, white and at a cocktail party and yet still disagrees with you, I'd point to my wife, who is Nigerian and, like most of her family, has actually had malaria. She still thinks unrestrained use of DDT is a bad idea -- partly because, though much of Silent Spring was discredited, it is still a toxin that builds up substantially over the very long term, and it's a good idea to avoid that if you don't know the effects over the course of a lifetime, but especially because of the point that other responses have made, that if we did that then soon DDT would become useless, even in cases where we really did need it.

      It would clearly be a stupid idea to recommend that every human being continuously take antibiotics. It is a similarly bad idea to say that entire ecosystems should be covered with DDT. Right now, use of DDT in moderation can handle particularly bad infestations. Heavy DDT use would lower malaria rates for a few years, before bringing it back up above todays levels because there would be no easy fix at all.

      Your caricature of rich white people on high horses perpetuating disease among the poor and powerless is only at all legitimate if you yourself are not also essentially an armchair philosopher on this issue. If you are insulting other people for having opinions on how to effectively protect people, because they have no personal stake and are somewhat removed from the issue, then you'd better have some personal stake or be close to the issue before going on about your own opinions on the issue. Obviously I don't know your personal stake, if any -- but a lot of people who seem to feel the way you do are no closer to the issue than your hypothetical rich white people.

      It would also be good to accept that people who oppose heavy DDT use are genuinely trying to protect people's lives, and have reasons for their opinions (even if you disagree with them), and it's not just that all of them freaked out after reading Silent Spring.

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    7. Re:Just use DDT by Ichoran · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, at that level, DDT is toxic to a lot of other things, too. And this is a case where bioaccumulation-type phenomena are important, since DDT preferentially partitions into fat.

    8. Re:Just use DDT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a de facto ban, whether Lambert is willing to recognize it or not.

      See here for details.

    9. Re:Just use DDT by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      If only people would get off their high horses and realize that most diseases can be solved using XML.

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  16. A good thing? depends.... by CodeShark · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Okay, so they have a malaria resistant mosquito, and if there were no other effect of the GM, it seems like releasing the beastie to the environment would be a good thing as it substitutes a "less bad biter" for a "known bad biter" it the food chain and implicitly lowers the malarial infection rates.


    My question is "what about the other major mosquito-transmitted illnesses carried by the same type(s)? AKA yellow fever, west nile, etc.?" as I assume there is a limit to how many disease vectors could be prevented by this technique without introducing unintended and perhaps unstoppable effects later on.

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    1. Re:A good thing? depends.... by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      You make a good point about unintended consequences. However, we have to balance the unquantifiable future harms caused by this technique with the future benefits it promises. More than a million people a year die from malaria, ninety percent of them in Africa, and seventy percent of them children under five. Seven hundred thousand children are dying every year from this disease. That is the equivalent of seven Boeing 747s crashing into mountains every day of the year. At some point, we simply have to save as many of these lives as we can and deal with whatever comes.

      http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/06 12_030612_malaria.html

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    2. Re:A good thing? depends.... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      At some point, we simply have to save as many of these lives as we can and deal with whatever comes.
      I'm going to play a bit of the devil's advocate here, but overpopulation is the number one problem affecting Africa right now. The constant state of war? Due to too much demand for limited resources. Famine? Ditto. From a certain perspective, isn't allowing disease in Africa to wipe out a large portion of Africa's population a good thing?

      Blech, I just disgusted myself with that argument -- but I'm not so sure that certain world leaders (and MANY politicoeconomists) don't feel that way.
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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    3. Re:A good thing? depends.... by frogstar_robot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It may help to understand a bit about just why they are so populated. Most countries with huge populations rely to a large extent on extended families for social support. Cultural mores in such places place a very high emphasis on respect and care of elderly...as in "You can't just ship them off to the old folks home or let them die. You have to feed, house, clothe, and clean as needed." Inversely, the obligation on the young is huge to point of being required to neglect yourself if that is what it takes to maintain the family unit as a whole. To a large extent, getting past a certain age is "Really Making It" because you promoted from being on the caregiving treadmill to being a beneficiary. Your odds of making it to an advanced age and then being cared for go up if you have lots and lots and lots of children and grandchildren. It is still tragic when the young die but it is a far more expected thing in these societies.

      Anything that increases death pressure in these societies also increases breeding pressure. If malaria is killing off your descendents, you best get cracking on producing more kids if you want the 3rd world equivalent of Social Security. So even though there are often harsh spikes when disease, famine, and genocidal social unrest take a toll, the general trend will still be for population to go up.

      Long term, the cure for this is increased personal wealth. As personal wealth goes up, the need for extended family style socal security goes down. In fact, it gets expensive. In developed societies having children is economically penalizing rather than being rewarded. Of course, fixing the economies in these places is also fraught with difficulties.....

    4. Re:A good thing? depends.... by phayes · · Score: 1
      There is no reason to suppose that GM resistant mosquitoes cannot be developed for any number of diseases. The problem is elsewhere.

      Malaria is a special case as the plasmodium is also a true mosquito parasite: The mosquitoes are also weakened by the disease

      The malaria resistant mosquito has a real evolutionary advantage over malaria infected ones and will tend to supplant them. For other diseases where mosquitoes are only a benign (for the mosquito) carrier, there is no evolutionary advantage and thus no reason for the yellow fever resistant mosquitoes to supplant the original population.

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    5. Re:A good thing? depends.... by cowscows · · Score: 1

      I think the obvious solution is robotic mosquitoes, completely immune to disease, able to out-compete the native species, and preprogrammed to self destruct when given the proper command via satellite.

      Robots are the future.

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      One time I threw a brick at a duck.

    6. Re:A good thing? depends.... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      I'm familiar with the breeding pressure and mortality link, but had forgotten about it, thanks for the info.

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    7. Re:A good thing? depends.... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      My question is "what about the other major mosquito-transmitted illnesses carried by the same type(s)? AKA yellow fever, west nile, etc.?"

      We have vaccines against those. One shot and you're good for ten years (at least for yellow fever, although you feel like hell for the first day; not sure on the specs for west nile).

      There's no vaccine for malaria, nor will there likely be, since it isn't a virus or bacteria.

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    8. Re:A good thing? depends.... by CodeShark · · Score: 1

      Great point -- I did not know that about malaria weakening the mosquitoes. With that in mind, this does seem like a free lunch method of drastically lowering malarial incidence.

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    9. Re:A good thing? depends.... by CodeShark · · Score: 1

      Actually there are several promising vaccines, because the immune system can be taught to attack protozoans as well as the other microbes such as germs and viruses. Malaria has just historically been the toughest of the tough to beat.

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    10. Re:A good thing? depends.... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Oh? That's good news. Still not where we are with e.g. yellow fever.

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  17. Keyword here is... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

    ... "could"

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  18. nursery wisdom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There was an old lady who genetically modified a fly
    I don't know why she modified a fly - perhaps she'll die!
    There was an old lady who modified a spider,
    That wriggled and wiggled and tiggled around her;
    She modified the spider to catch the fly;
    I don't know why she modified a fly - Perhaps she'll die!
    There was an old lady who modified a bird;
    How absurd to modify a bird.
    She modified the bird to catch the spider,
    She modified the spider to catch the fly;
    I don't know why she modified a fly - Perhaps she'll die!
    There was an old lady who modified a cat;
    Fancy that to modify a cat!
    She modified the cat to catch the bird,
    She modified the bird to catch the spider,
    She modified the spider to catch the fly;
    I don't know why she modified a fly - Perhaps she'll die!
    There was an old lady that modified a dog;
    What a hog, to modify a dog;
    She modified the dog to catch the cat,
    She modified the cat to catch the bird,
    She modified the bird to catch the spider,
    She modified the spider to catch the fly;
    I don't know why she modified a fly - Perhaps she'll die!
    There was an old lady who modified a cow,
    I don't know how she modified a cow;
    She modified the cow to catch the dog,
    She modified the dog to catch the cat,
    She modified the cat to catch the bird,
    She modified the bird to catch the spider,
    She modified the spider to catch the fly;
    I don't know why she modified a fly - Perhaps she'll die!
    There was an old lady who modified a horse...
    She's dead, of course!

    1. Re:nursery wisdom by Proofof.+Chaos · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a cow that could catch a dog

  19. One should pay attention to adaptation by Ichoran · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The PNAS study shows an additional effect that isn't quite covered by the blurb above: heterozygous mosquitos (those with only one copy of the gene) are more fit than homozygous mosquitos (those with two copies). This means that there is pressure to retain a large number of heterozygous individuals, which means there will be a mixed population of transgenic and non-transgenic mosquitos. While this might help humans in the short run (a smaller fraction of the mosquitos you're bitten by would carry Plasmodium, the malaria parasite), in the long run it pretty much guarantees that people will still get malaria, and the malaria parasite will have lots of opportunities to develop resistance to the introduced gene.

    So it's a nice idea--and it would be more effective than releasing low-fitness transgenic mosquitos--but it's not quite there yet.

    As to fears of biomagnification, mosquitos generally don't deal with stress by producing toxic compounds (unlike plants, who only have that option), and the transgenic protein is a protein and hence digestable. So it's very unlikely that there would be anything to magnify. Instead of worrying about creating toxic mosquitos, we should make sure that when we actually hit Plasmodium with drugs and modified mosquitos and so on, that we make things so difficult for it that it really devastates its population. Otherwise, we're just conducting a transgenic-mosquito-resistant Plasmodium breeding experiment. (Plasmodium has already developed at least some resistance to most common anti-malarial drugs).

    1. Re:One should pay attention to adaptation by mpe · · Score: 1

      The PNAS study shows an additional effect that isn't quite covered by the blurb above: heterozygous mosquitos (those with only one copy of the gene) are more fit than homozygous mosquitos (those with two copies).

      This is quite interesting since a natural mutation in humans, that which causes sickle cell anemia, has exactly the same chracteristic. Maybe it's even working in a similar way.

    2. Re:One should pay attention to adaptation by Saunalainen · · Score: 1

      in the long run it pretty much guarantees that people will still get malaria

      Not necessarily. Overdominance (heterozygote fitter than either homozygote) does indeed guarantee that a finite fraction of the mosquitos will be malaria-resistant homozygotes, but the number of resistant mosquitos will be less than it was in the absence of the resistance gene. Since the capacity of the disease to spread is proportional to the density of available carriers, it is possible that this capacity has been reduced to below the threshold for disease persistance.

      What you've done is effectively vaccinated a fraction of the intermediate hosts at birth, and it's well known that you can erradicate a disease without having to vaccinate everyone (smallpox being a case in point). If the `basic reproduction ratio' of the disease (the number of secondary cases caused by one primary case) is R, you only need to vaccinate a fraction 1-1/R of the population in order for each case to produce fewer than one further case on average, whereupon the disease will die out. If the introduction of the malaria resistance gene reduces the population of susceptible mosquitos by the same fraction, the disease will die out.

    3. Re:One should pay attention to adaptation by Saunalainen · · Score: 1

      a finite fraction of the mosquitos will be malaria-resistant homozygotes, but the number of resistant mosquitos
      That should of course be susceptible, both times.
    4. Re:One should pay attention to adaptation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it doesn't. Sickle cell anemia (both in homo- and in heterozygote forms) makes humans *less* fit. It also makes humans immune to malaria. The homozygote form makes humans so unfit that they die before reproductive age, while the heterozygote form leaves humans largely functional.

      It is only in the presence of malaria that having heterozygote sickle cell anemia becomes an advantage.

    5. Re:One should pay attention to adaptation by Ichoran · · Score: 1

      You make a good point, but keep in mind that Plasmodium is going to develop resistance since there will be extremely strong selective pressure on Plasmodium in this mixed environment. So you have to not just eventually eradicate the disease, but do so fast enough so that resistance can't develop before you've effectively destroyed it. So before deploying this as a solution, you at least want to have some idea about mutation rates, or use this as part of a multi-pronged strategy (e.g. kill 98% of mosquitos, then introduce these as the population starts to rebound, while simultaneously giving humans and livestock antimalarial drugs, and then when the population appears to have crashed to approximately zero, stop all these interventions so you don't provide a selective advantage for resistant survivors; if malaria comes back, repeat).

    6. Re:One should pay attention to adaptation by lukesl · · Score: 1

      You mean like how smallpox and polio developed resistance? I haven't read the PNAS article, so I don't know the mechanism of the transgene, but there's always a race between the rate of developing resistance vs. the rate of malaria going extinct. With even the earliest anti-malarial drugs, if they had saved up enough doses to give them to everyone on earth at the same time and then done it, malaria would have been eradicated. Instead, they started handing it out to some people and not others, which is like taking half of an antibiotic dose once every three days, and now we have resistance. However, I saw a genetic analysis of this, and IIRC it turns out that resistance mutations have only occurred twice on earth, ever (in plasmodium falciparum), and all drug-resistant P. falciparum is descended from those two events. Recent genetic analyses of many pathogens with drug resistance tend to support this trend, that resistance mutations occur much more rarely than what one would think, but once they do occur they spread across the globe. So it's not inevitable that resistance will develop.

    7. Re:One should pay attention to adaptation by Ichoran · · Score: 1

      Aren't we saying the same thing? I'm saying that Plasmodium will develop resistance if given a favorable environment in which to do so, and you are saying that it already has because we gave it too much of a chance.

      Now, as to details of whether the SM1-expressing mosquitos will do the trick, if drug-resistant P. falciparum has spread widely it means both that the reproduction ratio has got to be pretty high *and* that humans represent a major source of infection for moquitos. So that means that to get a rapid die-off of P. falciparum, we'd need to have a very large effect on the reproduction ratio, which the current method doesn't have (infection is reduced by about 80% in carriers, and there are still going to be ~20% non-carriers). So it will give P. falciparum plenty of time to come up with a good mutation or two, and then those will spread just like the drug-resistance mutations have.

      So alone it's unlikely to work. If used in combination with the widespread introduction of a new anti-malarial drug, for example, as I proposed before, we might (almost) eradicate malaria.

    8. Re:One should pay attention to adaptation by lukesl · · Score: 1

      You could easily be right, but I don't think we have enough information to know either way. Chloroquine resistance took a really long time to develop. I don't remember how long it was, but I think it was enough years that a lot of people thought that it would never happen. During that time, we could have eradicated malaria if we had used more of it. Also, I don't know what the mechanism is of the SM1 peptide, and I'm too lazy/busy/whatever to read up on it, but it could be something that plasmodium will have a very hard time developing resistance against.

      The other thing is that the effects of an 80% reduction in malaria are difficult to predict. In areas where the parasite is barely hanging on, an 80% reduction could generate a herd immunity type of effect, eradicating it. In areas where there is huge disease burden, an 80% reduction could cause people to lose their acquired immunity, actually leading to more serious disease. There are a number of papers out there where people have mathematical models that try to predict these things. It's interesting stuff. But anyway, I'm not saying that I think you're wrong, only that I don't think the answer can be predicted at this point.

  20. So, um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...why not just make Malaria-resistant humans?

    1. Re:So, um... by CodeShark · · Score: 3, Informative
      Just so you know, a malaria vaccine is one of medicine's holy grails and there are researchers that have been working on that exact problem their whole adult lives.


      Thing is, anything that lowers the infection rate -- with the stipulation that there are no other unintended bio-consequences -- at the mosquito level -- is superior because every dose of the vaccine has an associated production cost, where mosquitoes breed for free. So if the disease vector is disrupted for free 70% of the time now (and perhaps a higher percentage down the road), this gives the researchers an edge the race to develop a human malaria vaccine before the damned parasite can re-adapt.

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    2. Re:So, um... by NIckGorton · · Score: 1

      Nature did just that: humans who are heterozygous for the sickle cell anemia trait are less likely to die from infection with malaria. Other mutations of the hemoglobin genes also confer some resistance. That's why the hemoglobinopathies like sickle cell anemia and thalassemia are distributed throughout malaria endemic areas.

      -Nick

    3. Re:So, um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main problem with a malaria vaccine is that the malarial protozoa randomly changes the proteins exposed on its' surface, so the immune system has to periodically gear up for a new attack. This is why the victim has waves of feeling better and then worse, and why it is so hard to fight off the infection. This also makes it hard to find a useful target for the vaccine to attack.

  21. Cliché friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    For this story, Soviet Russia joke makes itself!

  22. Better mosquitoes by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Well, the USA has already been doing the next best thing -- eradicating certain insect species by engineering worse versions. There are about a dozen noxious parasites that were wiped out in most of North and South America by introducing (literally) millions of sterilized males into the ecosystem for a few years in a row. The sterile males grow larger and healthier than their virile counterparts (on account of not needing to produce any sperm), and so females breed with them preferentially. It's extraordinarily effective. Ever seen a screw-worm fly infection? Extinctions aren't always a bad thing... Actually, I think that's why the USA no longer has any native reservoirs of Malaria. I know that the American southeast is theoretically an ideal Malaria-zone, and did indeed have Malarial reservoirs a few centuries ago.


    The only reason it hasn't been applied to malarial mosquitoes in Asia and Africa is that there are something like two dozen species to deal with, and each one would require its own entire eradication program and on a much larger scale (it turns out that Asia is really big). That's what's cool about this idea -- it's a slightly more subtle variant of what the US has been doing for decades now. It's just more targetted -- eliminating the particular genes that allows malaria to be carried rather than the entire insect. And it avoids the need to breed millions or billions of the bugs yourself and releasing them every year -- the insects do it all for you, as long as the new alleles really are favourable.


    Very clever -- IF it actually works. Goodness knows the people in the third-world don't need to have Malaria keep kicking them while they're down. Any chance to reduce the size of Malaria's bootprint is definitely worth a serious look.

    1. Re:Better mosquitoes by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a good approach to engineer an ecosystem collapse.

      Mosquitoes are near the bottom of the food chain for a lot of species, and being too aggressive about removing them would reduce the diversity of the food chain for a lot of animals.

      At least with the GM solution, you're not removing them from the food chain.

    2. Re:Better mosquitoes by hippo · · Score: 1

      "it turns out that Asia is really big"
      Wow, you're right. I just Googled Asia and it's bigger than the US!

    3. Re:Better mosquitoes by tgd · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think the reason we don't have malaria in the US is because malaria doesn't survive freeze cycles (no idea if its because the pathogen doesn't, or if it something with the infection vector in mosquitoes that a die-off prevents infection).

      There's been a lot of articles written about how climate changes could move the malaria zone into the US as areas that do not experience freezes start to move further north. (Something with central Mexico being a natural barrier, etc)

    4. Re:Better mosquitoes by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Malaria was common on the eastern seaboard in what is now the US during colonial times, even as far north as New York.

      The reason we don't have malaria in the US is due to eradication efforts in the 20th century, that included drainage of swamps, destruction of standing water sites, DDT use (all these things for prevention), and most importantly, detection and treatment of malaria-infected humans, the natural resevoir of malaria in North America. It's the wealth and medical care in the US that has succeeded in eliminating malaria.

      In tropical regions with non-human primate populations (particularly chimps and gorillas), there is a natural resevoir that would also need to be treated and/or vaccinated in order to eliminate malaria.

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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    5. Re:Better mosquitoes by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1
      It's nice of you to have confirmed that for me. Can I cite you as source?

      "Asia is really big." Hippo et al, localhost publishing, 2007.

      Now I'm all set for my masters thesis!

    6. Re:Better mosquitoes by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1
      It's a rather impressive feat, in any case. It makes you wonder whether the USA could still accomplish something like that. I mean, this is a country that no longer possesses the capacity to perform basic disaster management. Hopefully the CDC is in more of a fighting trim than other goverment agencies in the US.

      It's a serious logistical and organizational challenge to control disease, particularly one like Malaria that is spread by agents that fly, are difficult to see, possess basic intelligence, and can assemble new agents from raw materials. Even eliminating Malaria from an area as small as the eastern US was probably, when all was said and done, a bigger task than the global elimination of smallpox (which was still an amazing feat in it's own right, both logistically and diplomatically).

    7. Re:Better mosquitoes by Assassin+bug · · Score: 1

      Sterile male production worked so well with some of the blow flies because only one male can mate with a female (the male deposits an obstruction during mating). I'm not sure the same is true for malaria mosquito vectors.

    8. Re:Better mosquitoes by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1
      I don't think we could eliminate malaria now. There are plenty of things done in the US in the past that would be impossible now due to environmental considerations (a lot of which are necessary, and it's a Good Thing (tm) that we couldn't do those things now), risk of loss of life and the huge costs associated with minimizing it, etc.

      Hopefully the CDC is in more of a fighting trim than other goverment agencies in the US.
      Except the CDC depends on other agencies for execution of emergency measures -- DHS, the military, etc. CDC is primarily an information handler, and it's up to those other agencies to actually DO anything in the case of a biological crisis.

      Controlling disease is simple in theory -- remove the vector or remove the resevoir. The malaria vector is impossible to remove, but limiting the vector made it easier to remove the resevoir in the US, since the resevoir was human. Removing malaria in the eastern US was pretty easy, actually, since removing the resevoir was a matter of properly diagnosing it, and treating those infected -- it was a byproduct of improved medical care, really. That, and public awareness of the source.
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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  23. What about evolution? by ZirbMonkey · · Score: 1

    Unless you still live in a red state that denies evolution happens, you will have to come to grasp about the fact that the malaria will adapt to the new super mosquitoes. Not only will scientists have produced a more robust mosquito that multiplies faster, but we'll also find new strains of malaria living in them and passing on. This isn't a maybe, it's going to happen. When you leave an opportunity open for malaria to find a better host for transmission, you better bet it will evolve to fill that niche.

    1. Re:What about evolution? by thousandinone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. Because every species that has been threatened has evolved to counter it, and nothing has ever gone extinct.

    2. Re:What about evolution? by MaizeMan · · Score: 1

      The thing to remember is that the only thing that makes these mosquito's more robust is that they ARE resistant to Malaria. If Malaria adapts to negate that resistance, the mosquitos will be no more fit that the orginial type, so if the malaria adapts after a while human rates return to normal, and mosquitos are no more fit than before the transgene was introduced. As a genetics student this strikes me as a very elegant idea, since it is based on the introduction of a single gene, the system can fail without causing a disaster, and until it fails, has the potential to save literally hundreds of thousands of human lives every year (given that annual deaths from malaria number in the millions).

    3. Re:What about evolution? by frogstar_robot · · Score: 1

      Insects are harder to extinct than most. They are prolific and have short breeding cycles. This allows far more opportunity for adaptive alterations to propagate.

    4. Re:What about evolution? by thousandinone · · Score: 1

      But we aren't talking about the mosquitos going extinct here; we're talking about removing the sole carrier of malaria by introducing a genetically modified version of the mosquito. According to TFA, the 'enhanced' mosquitos showed enough of an advantage over the normal ones so as to make up 70% of the population within 3 generations. Unless a strain of malaria already exists that would still be able to be carried by the genetically altered mosquitos, the chances of natural mutations progressing quickly enough to counter this are remote at best, and most likely infinitesimal. Were the mosquitos developing this genetic alteration naturally over a much longer course of time, its one thing, but this is a specifically targetted genetic modification.

    5. Re:What about evolution? by ZirbMonkey · · Score: 1

      Species go extinct because of the following reasons:
      -You destroy their ecosystem. We aren't destroying their ecosystem. We're only making another species of mosquito that they can't live in... yet
      -You destroy their food source. There's still normal mosquitoes for them to grow up in, and there's still people for them to mature and spread from.
      -You kill them off faster than they reproduce With mosquitoes? Not goona happen!

      There's a reason your doctor tells you to take the full bottle of antibiotics, even after you start to feel better. Because if you stop have way and don't kill it off entirely, the infection comes back and is twice as hard to kill because it's become resistant to the stuff you took before. Trying to fix malaria with super mosquitoes may solve a short term problem, but the invection will adapt and come back twice as strong.

    6. Re:What about evolution? by NIckGorton · · Score: 1

      Not only will scientists have produced a more robust mosquito that multiplies faster, but we'll also find new strains of malaria living in them and passing on. This isn't a maybe, it's going to happen.
      That's absurd. All of this is a maybe. Evolution occurs through natural selection of random mutations. Nature isn't intelligently designing things that work best in an evolutionary arms race, but when beneficial mutations randomly occur, the certainly stay around longer. Moreover, not every trait that helps an organism necessarily confers a complete survival advantage. Having one copy of the sickle cell mutation of the beta hemoglobin gene confers a survival benefit in malaria endemic areas. But it also means that your kids may die from SSA, so its not entirely beneficial.

      For example, penicillin resistance occurred in Staph aureus, and is now very common. However group A Strep is still exquisitely sensitive to penicillin after decades of use. If evolution of bacteria to be penicillin resistant was inevitable, you wouldn't still get penicillin for Strep throat after over 6 decades of use.

      Nick
    7. Re:What about evolution? by thousandinone · · Score: 1

      "Species go extinct because of the following reasons:
      -You destroy their ecosystem. We aren't destroying their ecosystem. We're only making another species of mosquito that they can't live in... yet
      -You destroy their food source. There's still normal mosquitoes for them to grow up in, and there's still people for them to mature and spread from.
      -You kill them off faster than they reproduce With mosquitoes? Not goona happen!

      There's a reason your doctor tells you to take the full bottle of antibiotics, even after you start to feel better. Because if you stop have way and don't kill it off entirely, the infection comes back and is twice as hard to kill because it's become resistant to the stuff you took before. Trying to fix malaria with super mosquitoes may solve a short term problem, but the infection will adapt and come back twice as strong."

      Destroy their ecosystem/foodsource: As a parasitic organism, Malaria's ecosystem and foodsource are one and the same; the host organism. Most hosts do not transmit malaria. The only real way they are transmitted from host to host is through mosquitos; they intake one hosts blood, and then the malaria is given to another host via saliva. Reduce the number of mosquitos capable of transmitting it, and the remaining malaria are "trapped" in their current hosts. The hosts will die off over time, with less new hosts becoming available to replace the dead ones. Eventually, the number stabilizes, but at a far lower number of hosts.

      As for killing them off faster than they reproduce: There is a limit to the number of parasites that can live within one host without killing the host, and when the host dies, the parasites die soon thereafter. The decline in the number of potential carriers leads to a decline in the number of potential hosts. This has the net affect of killing them faster than they reproduce; the malaria population stabilizes at each generation, but at a lower number, until either malaria mutates and can be transmitted by the altered mosquitos, or the mosquitos who can carry it are completely replaced by the immune ones.

      It has already been shown that within 3 generations, the modified mosquitos have outbred the originals by nearly an order of magnitude, accounting for 70% of the population. Given the rate at which mosquitos can reproduce and their short lifespan, I'd say its quite likely that malaria will run out of hosts before it has had time to mutate enough to affect the modified mosquitos.

      And finally, even if this fails, it's unlikely to make malaria any worse than it is now. Right now, any mosquito can be a potential carrier of malaria. If a mutation occurs to make it possible to infect the modified mosquitos, we have a scenario where, once again, any mosquito can be a potential carrier of malaria. By the time the mutation takes place, however, there will already be a significantly lower population, which still puts us in a better position than we are now.

    8. Re:What about evolution? by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      ... This isn't a maybe, it's going to happen. When you leave an opportunity open for malaria to find a better host for transmission, you better bet it will evolve to fill that niche. ...

      Evolution is directionless. It doesn't see "an oportunity". All you can say is that it might happen.

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    9. Re:What about evolution? by frogstar_robot · · Score: 1

      This may have to be done for a whole rainbow of malaria carriers in many different local ecologies:

      http://www.afrol.com/articles/24056

      What I said about many prolific and rapid adaptation goes even more for microbes than insects. All it takes is one microbe that can survive in these new mosquitoes and the adaptation will likely occur more than once. Others have pointed out that it may buy time for vaccine research but I doubt this will eradicate malaria once and for all.

    10. Re:What about evolution? by ZirbMonkey · · Score: 1

      Evolution is directionless. It doesn't see "an oportunity". All you can say is that it might happen. True. However, if you give "might" enough time and opportunity, it eventually will happen. Lab studies on bacterial mutations have shown that when a particular pressure causes a need to adapt or die out, not only will adaption happen but but the random mutations tend to stumble on a similar (or damn near same) genetic mutation that solves the problem with the least amount of change. The simple genetic modification done to the mosquitoes that causes them to be resistant will probably have a simple mutation in the parasite to let it dwell in the insect.

      I think it's stupid to believe malaria won't evolve and adapt. By placing an increased pressure to adapt on the organism, there WILL be an evolutionary response. The studies I've seen on evolutionary change to environmental pressures all show that life will find a way to adapt and survive. Not because it's directed to move in any direction but because in the battle for life an death there's always those stubborn few who get inventive and choose life.
    11. Re:What about evolution? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Look, this is a war. It's a war in which every single species that ever existed on this planet have been soldiers. It's unavoidable, and in the long run none of us will win, but we still go down fighting. From the lowliest bacterium to a human being, we all take it to the bitter end.

      In any conflict, a legitimate tactic is the delaying action. We may effectively eradicate malaria by using this technique, or another one, or perhaps several in combination. Or we may not ... but by delaying the spread of this disease, even for a while, we've saved some millions of human lives. By the time malaria does adapt, if it does, hopefully we've stayed ahead of the game and have a new plan of attack. There's no other way. Life evolves. So must the defenses against it.

      I agree, you can never completely wipe out a microbe ... hell, there are a few cases of bubonic plague every year, and we all know how much of Europe's population fell to the Black Death. On the other hand, with enough effort you can certainly suppress a deadly pathogen to the point where it is no longer a serious threat. We've succeeded in doing that for a vast number of different conditions. Yes, they can return in force. Yes, defense requires constant vigilance. Yes, it is expensive. And yes, you do it anyway because the alternative is suffering and death.

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  24. GM? by endianx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Am I the only one who thought General Motors had created a mosquito?

  25. If you're gonna fix em, do it right by Baavgai · · Score: 1

    So, the bug now has less of a chance of passing on it's disease, but it still behaves in such a way to make it possible.

    Why not make a super blood sucker that just thinks humans are the worst food choice on the menu? If the things didn't bit people, the problem is not just solved, but quality of life goes up too.

    PR wise, which GM skeeter wins, the hearty disease free kind, or the just as likely to die but not bite people kind?

    1. Re:If you're gonna fix em, do it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you did that, the new moscitos would not occupy the same ecological niche as the existing ones, and thus they could easily co-exist side by side. You'd just end up with two species: one that feeds from humans, and one that doesn't.

    2. Re:If you're gonna fix em, do it right by trongey · · Score: 1

      If you did that, the new moscitos would not occupy the same ecological niche as the existing ones, and thus they could easily co-exist side by side. You'd just end up with two species: one that feeds from humans, and one that doesn't.

      Either that, or something else will adapt to fill the niche. I really don't think I can swat hard enough to squash a blood-sucking cow. The trick where you constrict the vein to make the mosquito explode would be much more interesting with a cow though.
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    3. Re:If you're gonna fix em, do it right by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Why not make a super blood sucker that just thinks humans are the worst food choice on the menu?

      For starters, because mosquitoes, as blood-seeking missiles, have a guidance system too simple to discriminate between targets.

      Further, an added mechanism, if it were possible, would be costly in nutrition and provide only the negative "benefit" of reducing their feeding opportunities. This would make the mosquitoes with it less fit than those without. So it would be selected against in the wild population.

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  26. Whoops! by tygerstripes · · Score: 1
    Okay, great, but WHY? Isn't building disease-resistance into an even fitter pest just... well... stupidly short-sighted?

    If they're trying to supplant existing mosquitoes with a breed more suited to survival, can't they just make them NOT feed on humans, for example? That'd be infinitely preferable, surely.

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    1. Re:Whoops! by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      can't they just make them NOT feed on humans, for example?

      Figure that out and you've got a shot at a Nobel Prize.

    2. Re:Whoops! by tygerstripes · · Score: 1

      Cross them with fruit-flies. Blood-orange Vampires!!!

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      Subtle recursive jokes in sigs are not funny.

      You can say that again.

  27. Re:2-3 million deaths a year is a lark to you, is by jonbritton · · Score: 1

    You missed his point, completely. According to the link you posted, the current malaria treatments are often regarded as a complete cure. There're also preventative drugs.

    This is a case of fucking with an ecosystem to fix a "problem" where none exists. More specifically, this is treating a social/economic problem as an engineering one. You don't cure poverty by finding new, efficient ways to print paper money, and you don't cure a people's inaccess to treatment by making different treatments.

    The research is really cool, I just hope this one stays on paper.

  28. Oh boy by avatar4d · · Score: 1

    At first glance this seems like it could be an advanced benefit to the human race. The thing I am worried about are the repercussions that will be introduced by this, however slight, mutation.

    Mosquitoes are a major food source for other creatures. What are the steps being taken to understand the implications that could be caused by this experiment? It is possible for something of this nature to seriously effect us in a variety of ways (i.e. the food chain, extended lifespans, more harmful diseases, etc).

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  29. Because by Cedric+Tsui · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because there is no immunization for malaria, and it kills some three million people annually.
    There is also no risk of a mosquito population boom, as their population is predictor limited. Mosquitoes also have a fixed life cycle length (4 days to 1 year) so there isn't a risk of them living longer and propagating some other epidemic.

    I'm personally worried about a different problem. Introducing genetic information through such a rapid process would dramatically decrease the genetic diversity of the mosquito population. There could be some epidemic which would wipe out the mosquito population which would cause an ecological catastrophe.
    However, I know very little about genetics and ecology so perhaps my fears are unwarranted. Does anyone out there know more?

    1. Re:Because by RingDev · · Score: 1

      "Because there is no immunization for malaria"

      Thanks for that, I had to double check after you said that, I had Malaria and Yellow Fever mixed up. Yellow Fever has the Immunization, Malaria doesn't.

      -Rick

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  30. Re:2-3 million deaths a year is a lark to you, is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone who lived in malaria endemic region, I understand the issue.

    Happily, I seemed fairly immune to it, but vividly remember monitoring my neighbor's 106 fever through the night (more than once)

    I have no idea whether I had any real "immunity," whether I had better habits, or whether the mosquitoes just liked my neighbor more than me. In any case, he got it (repeatedly) and I never did.

    Yes, I know what malaria is.

    I also know that there are (imperfect) drugs, (imperfect) practices to minimize exposure, and (imperfect) mosquito abatement programs.

    The thing is, while these existing methods are imperfect, it really doesn't matter, since they aren't widely enough deployed.

    It would seem that getting the methods that we KNOW can help to everyone would be a better investment than releasing mutant insects.

    Google Australia and rabbits for a lesson on unintended consequences.

  31. Ten years later... by oglueck · · Score: 2

    ...same researchers found that their Ubermosquito had developed a capability of transmitting AIDS now. That was an en even worse disappointment than when Malaria had developed a resistence and was spreading as before...

    And: Ask our Australian friends about what people thought when they released a new species into their country versus what happened really. And scientists really claim they understand ecosystems? That's what I call dangerous.

    1. Re:Ten years later... by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      " . . . researchers found that their Ubermosquito had developed a capability of transmitting AIDS now."

      That was my first thought. I think that the risk of introducing GM PLANTS into the environment was unacceptable. Insects takes it to an entirely new level.

      Haven't we learned enough from observations about invasive species to realize that randomly introducing a new organism into an ecosystem can have potentially devastating consequences? A mosquito that transmits AIDS is the nightmare scenario. What if it's resistant to pesticides? What if it is no longer appetizing to its natural predators?

      Law of unintended consequences.

    2. Re:Ten years later... by MrJerryNormandinSir · · Score: 1

      Mosquitos can transmit virus, and if it picked up the AID virus and bites someone else in a matter of minutes then yes it can
      be. TB and other blood born viruses too. It's not public knoledge because it will cause a scare. It's a real problem in
      dense populations. Google it. look for yourself.

  32. Frankenbugs! by John+Hasler · · Score: 1, Troll

    > The question in my mind, though, is what effects on the ecosystems of these areas will
    > replacing an organism low on the food chain with a GM version?

    Could be serious. The malaria parasite is a major factor in the control of the endemic species homo sapiens. Its elimination could result in a population bloom and habitat destruction.

    > Between the news we saw last week and biomagnification, could this wind up substituting
    > one problem for another?

    Frankenbugs! Frankenbugs! Giant, 100' frankenbugs rampaging through the landscape!

    Might help control the homo sapiens overpopulation problem resulting from the elimination of malaria, though.

    Note for Slashdot readers: this article may contain sarcasm, parody, or perhaps even irony.

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  33. Reads like a Horror Movie script to me. by MrJerryNormandinSir · · Score: 1

    Imagine something going horribly wrong here... Instead of of wiping Malaria, a new gentically engineered super virus is spread.

    Hmmmmmmm...

    I kind of think if you live in a densly populated area, and right next door someone has TB or worse, and a mosquito bites the infected person and in a matter of a minute you get bit by the same insect, I believe you can get infected.

    Viruses are not living things. It's genetic code with a protein coating. You can oblitorate it by destroying it, microwave it,
    burn it, so my question is... how long can a virus stay intact when it's been ingested by a parasitic insect? And... under the
    right condition can that virus be transmitted? I really think so.

    1. Re:Reads like a Horror Movie script to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Viruses are not living things." And TB is not caused by a virus, but by bacteria. And malaria is not caused by a virus, either, but by a protozoan. http://www.microbiologybytes.com/introduction/Mala ria.html/ But to almost answer your question: Some viruses die easily outside of a host, simply drying out can kill some. Some are survivors. TB can survive in a dormant state for a long, long time, and the spores are very hard to destroy, but it's not a virus.

  34. While they're tinkering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...with the little bastards, why don't they add a gene that makes them consider humans unbearably repulsive?

  35. New Coke Flavor by tokki · · Score: 1

    Forward-thinking Coca Cola company unveiled a new Coke flavor to target this new and upcoming atomic monster mosquito. Dubbed "Coke Blood", the drink incorporates human blood. Also introduced was "Coke Blood AB-", and "Diet Coke Blood", made with protomater (Coke disputes the assertion that protomater is unstable).

  36. Re:I for one... by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

    Because the malaria-resistant mosquitoes will survive and reproduce more than the non-resistant ones. Eventually all the mosquitoes will be resistant to malaria.

  37. Unfortunately... by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny

    GM mosquito has a 10 foot wingspan and can drain an adult human dry in under 30 seconds.

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  38. Use the Lysine Contingency by PetiePooo · · Score: 1

    "The lysine contingency - it's intended to prevent the spread of the mosquitoes in case they ever got off the continent, but we could use it now. Dr. Wu inserted a gene that makes a single faulty enzyme in protein metabolism. Mosquitoes can't manufacture the amino acid lysine. Unless they're continually supplied with lysine by us, they'll slip into a coma and die."

    1. Re:Use the Lysine Contingency by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Dr. Wu inserted a gene that makes a single faulty enzyme in protein metabolism. Mosquitoes can't manufacture the amino acid lysine. Unless they're continually supplied with lysine by us, they'll slip into a coma and die."

      What parts of "chromosomal crossover" and the "law of independent assortment" don't you understand?

      Genes that start out together - even on the same chromosome - don't stay that way.

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  39. Re:I for one... by fredrated · · Score: 1

    So isn't the malaria resistance enough of an advantage, why do they have to make it even more robust?

  40. So they will ADD a super mosquito... by MichailS · · Score: 0, Troll

    ... so that people will both get malaria from the old ones PLUS have to battle the new and improved non-malaria type?

    Genius.

  41. Don't these guys watch SciFi movies?!! by KatchooNJ · · Score: 1

    I mean... just watch Mimic with the GM Cockroaches? That would surely make them think. heh

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  42. I had a GM Mosquito by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It got 30 miles per gallon (of blood), but the build quality was just awful-- the thing literally fell apart.

  43. Mod parent down. by edunbar93 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Um, insightful?

    The big problem with DDT is that while it may save humans, it makes it so that predator birds can't have baby predator birds. Bald eagles, peregrine falcons, and pelicans were nearly wiped out because of DDT.

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    1. Re:Mod parent down. by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      Insightful++

      "Bald eagles, peregrine falcons, and pelicans were nearly wiped out because of DDT . . ."

      Those results were because of the mis-use, or actually OVER-use of DDT. This discussion always touches a sore spot with me because the "DDT==BAD" crowd never stop to think about how and in what concentrations the chemical was being used when the serious environmental consequences were discovered. There are dozens, if not hundreds of chemicals in commercial use that would be equally harmful if dumped into the environment in the same concentrations.

      That being said "GM Mosquito==BAD"

  44. Easy by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    Sci-Fi could make a movie out of it.

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  45. Re:I for one... by NIckGorton · · Score: 1

    Because malaria infection is not a survival disadvantage to the mosquito as it is in humans.

    -Nick

  46. The Coming Plague by Derosian · · Score: 2, Informative

    You fail to understand the controversy.

    "Following World War II the worlds public health community mounted two ambitious campaigns to eradicate microbes from the planet. One effort would succeed, becoming the greatest triumph of modern public health. The other would fail so miserably that the targeted microbes would increase both in number and in virulence, and the Homo sapiens death toll would soar. Humanity's great success story would be smallpox... On May 8, 1980, the World Health Assembly formally declared that "the World and all its peoples have won freedom from smallpox, which was a most devastating disease sweeping in epidemic form through many countries since earliest times, leaving death, blindness, and disfigurement in its wake and which only a decade ago was rampant in Africa, Asia, and South America.".

    A very different outcome awaited those who fought to eradicate malaria worldwide. Between 1958 and 1963 alone, $430 million was spent on a series of failed attempts to eliminate malaria. In 1991 dollars that consituted an expenditure of over $1.914 billion. Between 1964 and 1981, the United States spent an additional $793 million."
    "The Coming Plague" Laurie Garrett (page 30-47)

    DDT was, at first, a very effective fight against the malaria carrying mosquitoes.

    "In 1956, malarioligist Paul Russell, then at Harvard's University's School of Public Health, authored a report for the International Development Advisory Board recommending the immediate global eradication of malaria.

    Generally, it takes four years of spraying and four years of surveillance to make sure of three consecutive years of no mosquito transmission in an area. After that, normal health department activities can be depended upon to deal with occasional introduced cases.... Eradication can be pushed through in a community in a period of eight to ten years, with not more than four to six years of actual spraying without much danger of resistance. But if countries, due to lack of funds, have to proceed slowly, resistance is almost certain to appear and eradication will become economically impossible. Time is of the essence[his emphasis] because DDT resistance has appeared in six or seven years."
    "The Coming Plague" Laurie Garrett (page 48)

    Unfortunately, around 1963, when malaria control efforts were just beginning to break down due to the sudden drop of funding from Congress, agricultural use of DDT and its sister compounds were soaring. Resistant mosquito populations appeared all over the world. At the same time Russel was worrying over his new resistant pest problem, two people who were taking chloroquine(the current very effective treatment to malaria) developed malaria in South America. Almost instantly chloroquine-resistant strains appeared all over the world. Soon resistances to all forms of quinine were appearing as well as other drugs introduced in the 1960's.

    "In 1975 the worldwide incidence of malaria was about 2.5 times what it had been in 1961, midway through Paul Russell's campaign. In some countries the disease was claiming horrendous numbers of people. China, for example, had an estimated 9 million cases in 1975, compared to about 1 million in 1961. India jumped in that time period from 1 million to over 6 million cases...
    A new global iatrogenic form of malaria was emerging-"iatrogenic" meaning created as a result of medical treatment. In its well-meaning zeal to treat the world's malaria scourge, humanity had created a new epidemic."
    "The Coming Plague" Laurie Garrett (page 52)

    So at the same time while this is a huge opportunity to complete what we started in our original goal of eradicating malaria, it is also a huge risk, the problem we caused by trying to eradicate it in the first place will plague us for some time.

  47. How About... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    How about a GM mosquito that displaces the natural pest, and then dies out entirely in a 100 generations. Or is this starting to sound like Bladerunner?

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    1. Re:How About... by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      Even in Bladerunner, the timelimit was on individuals, not their offspring. (although, I image all the replicants were sterile, but wouldn't that be part of the test for replicant-ness? Maybe most everyone was sterile by then anyway...)

      You'd have to have something in the DNA that allowed the organism's cells to divide and die normally so it would go through it's normal lifecycle, but when reproductive DNA division happened, instead of the telomeres resetting, they's reset n-1. Thus each generation would be born a bit older than the next. With a little study, we may have already seen this senario in nature as there is a genetic disorder among humans that causes premature aging.

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  48. Doesn't this scare anyone else? The GM version... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

    ...is outbreeding the non-GM version, why? Perhaps we should understand that for an absolute certainty before introducing a 'hardier' version of the mosquito that just happens to also be malaria (or a version of it) free...? I'm no Luddite but that's a bit scary, eh? Laid more eggs than the non-GM? Great... That's wonderful ;).

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  49. Big deal by proxy318 · · Score: 1

    GM Mosquito Could Fight Malaria
    Big deal. Let me know when we've got one who can fight Godzilla.
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  50. Man plays god again? by NimbleSquirrel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Only female mosquitos bite, in order to get protein for egg production. If the mosquitos are laying more eggs, then they will be biting more in order to get more blood. Add to that a higher survival rate, and there will be more and more of these super biters in each generation. Ahh... but there is good news: they don't carry malaria. Well actually 70% after 9 generations. 70%... that's close enough to 100%, right?

    On top of that, there is no mention of yellow fever, dengue fever, epidemic polyarthritis, Rift Valley fever, Ross River Fever, and West Nile virus that mosquitos are also known to carry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito

    There is no way of predicting how these GM mosquitos will interact in the wild. There is the distinct possibility that they may breed hybrids with wild species and regain their malaria carrying capability, effectively becoming supercarriers of the disease.

    Personally I think this is another silly attempt of man trying to play God. We don't understand the entire DNA sequence, yet we are chopping and changing the very few known genes with the vauge hope that a desired effect will be acheieved, instead of being able to accurately predict what will happen. While it is a nice exercise in a lab, and helps us understand more about genetics, it has no place in the real world until we can do it accurately.

    Surely, instead of spending millions developing a new mosquito (that could potentially carry other diseases if not malaria), a better solution to the malaria problem would be to develop some kind of vaccine.

    1. Re:Man plays god again? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Slow down there, I don't see any reference to them actually implementing this potential solution (improvement?) any time soon. I think it's good they are trying multiple avenues to try and erradicate the disease. Just because this team of scientists are working with altering the mosquitoes doesn't mean noone else is working on a vaccine. It is possible they will have a breakthrough and can prove the GM mosquitoes will get rid of malaria in X number of years, and they know how to replicate the process to tackle the next disease (like yellow fever).

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  51. Re:2-3 million deaths a year is a lark to you, is by jadavis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    you don't cure a people's inaccess to treatment by making different treatments.

    Of course you do. This new treatment is not a new pill and does not necessarily have the same accessibility problems.

    It may be more accessible because we don't need to distribute the cure to each individual person (you underestimate this cost). It may be a good idea and it may not be, but this development is exciting because it provides a new way to save the lives of millions of people from a horrible disease.

    Your argument is no different from saying that cheaper clean water and food aren't necessary because we already have those things. Surely you wouldn't deny a clean water system and better agricultural methods to a poor region? You might as well tell them to hold their breath, because you're working on ending world poverty (clearly, you're working against ending world poverty).

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  52. Who said the overall population increased? by singingjim1 · · Score: 1

    They just said that the population of GM mosquitoes increased relative to the non GM mosquitoes. I don't think anything was implied that the overall population of mosquitoes would increase, but maybe I misread it. I think the bigger issue will be when the religious whackos get involved saying that the scientists are playing God and if we tinker with his creations for our benefit we're damned to hellfire and brimstone. Boogey boogey boogey!! This does sound very interesting, but the questions it raises - cause and effect, not religious ones - might outweigh the benefit.s They should probably do a couple/few years of testing in a controlled environment before unleashing them on the 3rd world, though that's never stopped the pharmaceutical companies.

  53. This is a good example of us playing God by jaguarviajero · · Score: 0

    The people developing these mosquitos need to prove that it will not have any negative side effects on the ecosystem. It is extremely unwise to think that we will be able to control the GM mosquitos. I have the feeling that we should not attempt this kind of solution.

    1. Re:This is a good example of us playing God by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      The people developing these mosquitos need to prove that it will not have any negative side effects on the ecosystem.

      A convenient assertion. Such a proof can't be done. Therefore, accepting it means believing no GM organisms should ever be released.

      I have the feeling that we should not attempt this kind of solution.

      See?

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  54. No you wouldn't. by valisk · · Score: 1
    Probably more likely is that you get even worse human biting malarial mosquitos.

    Because if you produce a mosquito that does not feed on humans then you are doing nothing to prevent the 'unfit' human biting (HB) mosquitos from continuing to feed on humans.

    Infact you actually make likely a worse outcome, by limiting the HB mosquitos to humans, you encourage them to adapt themselves to do a better job by specialization.

    As a second point the reason why the HB mosquitos are unfit in comparison to the GM mosquitos is because they remain uninfected by the common plasmodium varieties.

    If this changes, via a mutated plasmodium, then the fitness of the GM mosquito is reduced to roughly the same level as the present mosquito varieties.

    This leads to an interesting idea:

    Each time a variety falls victim to infection and as a consequence its fitness drops versus uninfectible varieties, then a new uninfectible variety can be released, which will outcompete it in its environment.

    Each release cycle should see fewer plasmodium carriers as a percentage of the overall mosquito population, it might not eradicate it, but it would reduce the number of human infections by a quite significant number.

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  55. Star Trek vs the Mosquito by slackoon · · Score: 1

    Well we know genetically engineered clingons were a great hit so why not mosquitos too!!

  56. Where did it say they were harder to kill? by dharbee · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think maybe you misunderstood. The only reason the GM mosquitoes survive better is because they do not have their health compromised by the malaria parasite. Specifically

    "However, when both sets of insects were fed non-infected blood they competed equally well."

    They aren't harder to kill.

    1. Re:Where did it say they were harder to kill? by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the correction. My statement was a bit on the sweeping side. The outcome will still be a higher population of Mosquitoes, as "traditional" means of mosquito population control will only be effected by the reduction of malaria related mosquito deaths.

      -Rick

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  57. PLAYING GOD by slackoon · · Score: 0

    Why do we insist on playing god? Most of the time a species is introduced into a new area it is a disaster. Killer bees ring any bells?? So I ask everyone this...What is the difference between introducing a new species and genetically engineering a species to be stronger? This can only lead to disaster!!

  58. GM Malaria by dlhm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you make a better Malaria resistent bug, then only be the strongest strains of Malaria will survive. Now your chances of surviving infection are lower. This is just a guess but it seems resonable.

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    1. Re:GM Malaria by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      If you make a better Malaria resistent bug, then only be the strongest strains of Malaria will survive.

      It's not a matter of "stronger".

      They changed the receptor that Malaria attacks. The parasite will have to change its corresponding attack mechanism to attack the modified receptor. This will make it less effective at attacking the original receptor.

      If this is the same receptor that Malaria uses to infect humans, the allegedly "stronger" Malaria will be less effective at infecting humans and other animals, possibly unable to do so at all. Being able to infect mosquitoes OR mamals but NOT BOTH would break its life cycle.

      If the parasite attacks receptors on its non-mosquito prey using a different mechanism you may still be ahead. Parasites capable of being spread by the GM mosquitoes would not be spread (or not be spread as effectively) by the unmodified ones, and vice-versa. (Even if the parasite produces both types of of the receptor-attacking mechanism it would likely produce less of each.)

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    2. Re:GM Malaria by sckeener · · Score: 1

      If you make a better Malaria resistent bug, then only be the strongest strains of Malaria will survive. Now your chances of surviving infection are lower. This is just a guess but it seems resonable.

      Strong strains of malaria? just different strains. Admittedly having fewer people infected will mean the strains seem stronger. I am afraid that will be true for anything we try to wipe out.

      What I thought was humorous about the article...the GM mosquito have glowing eyes. I was thinking that having that released into the wild would be beautiful in Houston....great glowing swarms in the night. Entire yards lit up at night. Drunks driving off the road because the ditches look like yellow stripes.

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  59. Ecosystem by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1
    The nice thing (in this context anyway) with mosquitoes is that there are many different species, and only a fraction of them can be hosts for the malaria parasite. Driving those few types to extinction is just about the most low-impact extinction event imaginable.

    Furthermore, 99 times out of 100, the extinction or addition of a species to an ecosystem is a complete non-event. We all hear about cane toads and cane beetles in Australia, kudzu in the south, invasive bamboos everywhere, zebra muscles in the great lakes, and so on. But those are the small minority. Many zoologists consider the region around Las Vegas (I think it's Las Vegas, some city in California anyway) to have the highest vertebrate biological diversity on Earth, because of all the exotic pets that have gotten loose and found their own little niche to enjoy. No famines or ecological disasters; new species almost always create new niches.

    Granted, we should generally try to avoid these things just in case -- we don't need any more problems like the cane-beetle infestation. Still, when a species is extremely harmful to Humans or our interests, it may be worth taking the risk. The screw-worm fly that I mentioned is a horrible, horrible parasite. Exterminating it was well worth the risk, even just in terms of how it affects the cattle and dairy industry, not to mention the occasional Human infections. Malaria mosquitoes? Unless their extinction resulted in the worst ecological collapse in recorded history, it would be totally worth it. Saving all those lives, and gentrifying those parts of the world. Once third world nations have functioning economies, there's that much less incentive to hunt endangered species like Gorillas and Needlesnakes into extinction. I'll take the gorilla over the mosquito any day.

    But I totally agree -- the GM solution, if it works, is much more ecologically sound. Not to mention it's probably cheaper and much less labour-intensive. It's especially good that Malaria is being tackled from multiple fronts: the bed nettings to protect people, efforts to get the parasite out of the mosquitoes, all the research into that antimalarial drug that can't be synthesized yet but works so well, etc.

    1. Re:Ecosystem by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I believe Las Vegas is in Nevada.

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    2. Re:Ecosystem by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1

      Is it? That's what I get for not being American.

    3. Re:Ecosystem by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I've never been there ... but I watch CSI now and then.

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  60. Make them so they don't suck blood, too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While they're at it?

    The males do fine on plant juices. It's the females which are the blood-suckers, which I guess is no revelation ;-)

    But, while they are at it? . ..

  61. Better Solution by Garridan · · Score: 1

    It would be better to engineer a malaria parasite which kills mosquitos, but not humans. Then, we infect every human and animal in the area with this new parasite, and watch the mosquitos die! It's a perfect plan!

  62. Re:Great, just great/bring back DDT by moeinvt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Oh, this kind of "scare", "precautionary principle" actually led to DDT being banned in the world, while it had almost crushed malaria in Africa."

    I don't see this as the same kind of debate, but I'm with you on DDT. The quintessential case of reactionary emotional responses overwhelming a logical cost-benefit analysis. For a while it was "DDT=good" so everybody decided they should use it to bathe their children and spray a 4" deep layer on every square inch of farmland. Then we discover that the stuff is having major environmental repurcussions and it's suddenly "DDT=bad" so it must be totally banned. Forget a pragmatic approach that might balance the incredible usefulness of the stuff with the potential for environmental damage.

    Spraying it over hundreds of acres of farmland? Not a good idea.

    Applying a light solution to indoor living spaces for mosquito control? Totally sensible with unparalleled effectiveness and = risk to humans vs. other pesticides.

    Bringing back DDT for targeted applications is orders of magnitude more intelligent than releasing a GM insect into the environment.

  63. A novel idea! by kristopher_d · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of modifying the mosquitos, let's figure out how to make us Malaria resistant. Then, introduce a retrovirus which the mosquitos can carry that will modify the whole of our population to protect us. In fact, let's do that with several diseases and ailments (damned 7 cycle limit on mammalian gene replication) and be done with this silly mortality crap already.

    I'm only being partially sarcastic, too.

    1. Re:A novel idea! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Then, introduce a retrovirus which the mosquitos can carry that will modify the whole of our population to protect us.

      Causing autoimmune diseases among most of those bitten and not actually conferring the immunity to them.

      The immune system generally avoids autoimmune disease by killing off self-reacting white cells shortly after birth. Changing a surface antigen of the post-infancy body or an internal protein (fragments of which are displayed on MHC proteins - which is what they're for), means the cell would be susceptible to attack by the immune system.

      Meanwhile only the cells actually infected by the virus would be altered, leaving plenty of the old versions around to be infected by Malaria.

      Finally: It's easy to use a virus to ADD something to SOME of the cells. It's really difficult to use one to REMOVE something or REPLACE IT COMPLETELY with a modified version.

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  64. GM Mosquito Could Fight Malaria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice! Never saw a GM fighting... what MMORPG are they playing??

  65. Public school, no doubt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, what you were taught in school vis-a-vis DDT was nonsense.

  66. What about "wild" variations? by rockhome · · Score: 1

    What happens to these genes 10-20,000 generations out? That's the question that the GM industry can't really answer. Sure, the gene makes the mosquito immune to malaria, but what happens in a distant number of generatiosn through mutations and natural selection? Could this gene activate some unknown sequence down the line that allows the mosquito to become larger or even more fit, pushing out other species?

    It doesn't matter how selectively you breed the gene marker, there is always the danger of some wild Atreides talent manifesting. Wasn't it Jeff Goldblum who said "nature always finds a way"?

    1. Re:What about "wild" variations? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      What happens to these genes 10-20,000 generations out?

      Either the gene offers some competitive advantage or it gets washed out of the gene pool. It isn't going to give rise to Mansquito if that is what you are worried about. And it won't lead to large mosquitos either - if there was an advantage to that mosquitos would already be large.

  67. Will they never learn! by csoto · · Score: 1

    THIS is the only possible result!

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  68. Does anyone else wonder ... by Bob-taro · · Score: 1

    If the malaria-resistant gene and the fluorescent-green-eye gene are somehow linked? Would the count of green-eyed mosquitoes necessarily match the count of malaria-resistant ones after several generations?

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  69. Ob. Simpsons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    SKINNER: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.
    LISA: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
    SKINNER: No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
    LISA: But aren't the snakes even worse?
    SKINNER: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
    LISA: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
    SKINNER: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

  70. Fight Plasmodium with false signals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disclaimer: IAACP (I Am A Computer Person), but:

    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-70872766.html

    "Plasmodium, the world's most lethal parasite, causes malaria. The parasite enters the bloodstream through a mosquito bite, hiding in the human liver before invading red blood cells. Ultimately, millions of infected blood cells explode at once, causing fever and death in 3 million people a year worldwide. "

    Wouldn't it be a potential idea to give people with Malaria a large dose of whatever signal chemical the infected blood cells use to tell each other when to trigger? I assume they have a way of communicating that it's trigger time, and that one of two things would happen:

    1) The (smaller) number of blood cells would explode prematurely, before the infection is at an advanced stage, and whatever bad things happen and methods of survival people have would be easier,

    2) The parasites would become insensitive to the signal chemical, causing all sorts of weird results.

  71. Building a worse japanese beetle by evought · · Score: 1

    This is not quite the first attempt of this sort, though the other example I know about is much lower-tech. In Carson's _Silent Spring_ she reports on an attempt to control japanese beetles which were responsible for massive crop damage by releasing huge numbers of sterile male beetles. The sterile beetles tried to mate with fertile females, which did not work, resulting in many fewer fertile eggs being laid and the population fell drastically. This was much more effective than more direct approaches involving DDT and other chemicals which were killing other insects (e.g. honey bees, mantises), but not affecting the beetles much.

  72. de Havilland Mosquito by dakirw · · Score: 1

    de Havilland wants the name back. :)

  73. Oh flea, oh yeah! by Z00L00K · · Score: 1
    Although this is a rather interesting approach, why not at the same time make them modified to dislike human blood? Or prefer to feed on something else than blood? OK, I'm mean here and that may be a little more complicated to resolve than the easy fix it apparently was to make them resistant to malaria.

    On the other hand - there are also several other diseases that can be carried by mosquitos and there is a risk that one of these diseases can be carried instead. Just watch your back!

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  74. Re:Doesn't this scare anyone else? The GM version. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eh, don't worry. Evolution is a myth.

    - Kansas Dep. of Education.

  75. Well, duh. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Doesn't this scare anyone else? The GM version...is outbreeding the non-GM version, why?

    Because it's resistant to malaria, which weakens infected mosquitoes and reduces their number of eggs.

    It doesn't outbreed unmodified mosquitoes except in the presence of the malaria parasite.

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  76. Only fitter because they don't get sick by DerangedAlchemist · · Score: 1

    But malaria IS the worse mosquito born disease to the countries involved and the mosquitoes only do better because they don't get sick from malaria. This is interesting because malaria would be the selective force holding the gene in the environment. The real danger level is about that of naturally breeding malaria resistant mosquitoes and releasing them. Natural mutation could make a more dangerous/fitter mosquito too.

    Putting up some relatively small potential dangers as a reason not to definitely save many lives seems kinda silly doesn't it?

    Unfortunately, it has the words genetically modified in it, so it will be classified as bad like golden rice. Maybe it's just ignorance about the dangers. Natural farming involves selecting and breeding the naturally occurring mutants. This can be dangerous! New breeds of potatoes, tomatoes, etc. occasionally revert to older natural states and become filled with poisons (they are related to nightshade). An insect resistant celery developed by normal means had to be withdrawn because of very high levels of carcinogens (its referenced in The Skeptical Environmentalist).

    It is not all automatically good or bad. Real problems are complicated and involve thought.

  77. STOP IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, this is an off topic rant, but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD can we PLEASE stop ending summaries with mind-numbingly obvious questions raised by the topic? This isn't a freaking high-school essay contest.

  78. Perfect by incripshin · · Score: 1

    This is exactly what we've needed. They should start releasing billions of mosquitos into the major cities. Malaria won't stand a chance.

  79. Informative: a different strategy by matt+me · · Score: 1

    A different strategy I read about in NewScientist a few years back to reduce malarial infection was to introduce a certain gene into the mosquito population. Two mosquitoes carrying this gene would be unable to mate together (specifically, their larvae would not develop), but they would able to reproduce with other non carrier mosquitoes. It was calculated that, the gene, while rare, would propogate through the population with minimal effect. Then once popular, it prevent many pairs of mosquitos from reproducing, severely diminishing the population, perhaps permenantly. While it is certain reducing mosquito numbers would reduce malarial infection, I think there was justified concern about the effect it would have on many ecosystems where mosquito are bottom of the food chain.

    I also once read about how one guy almost eradicated mosquito populations in New Mexico by introducing bats in houses near still water.

    I haven't read in detail about the plan in this weeks news (I read my paper, The Times, but that sports the most dubious lacklustre reporting on science), but it sounds like a good solution which wouldn't affect other creatures. They've only tested the two genotypes competing in a lab however, with a virus other than the malarial virus, they can't be certain how the modified mosquitoes would fare in the wild. Wisdom suggests that the ability to carry the malarial parasite must be in some way an advantage, or mosquitos would develop a resistance by themselves.

    1. Re:Informative: a different strategy by tehdaemon · · Score: 1

      Wisdom suggests that the ability to carry the malarial parasite must be in some way an advantage, or mosquitos would develop a resistance by themselves.

      Wisdom would be wrong in this case, because the malarial parasite would have just as much a chance to develope ways around this resistance. The reason GM can work in this case is that the malarial parisite had no chance to evolve in parallel with the GM gene before it becomes fully functional.

      T

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  80. mutant mosquitos by The_Rook · · Score: 1

    i for one welcome our new genetically modified mosquito overlords.

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  81. Why do.,... by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

    Why do people think that if you alter somethings DNA and then ingest said altered organism that you are somehow going to be effected by it? Eating something destroys the DNA, you don't absorb the DNA and somehow become resistant to malaria as well or part mosquito.

    Now maybe the virus could change to better live in the mosquito's, and maybe because fewer mosquito's die from the virus, there will be more to spread other diseases.

    But honestly how can you argue that reducing the amount of malaria carrying mosquito's is a bad thing? How can you argue that mosquito's are low on the food chain and that somehow that altered DNA is going to change something above it? Do you become part chicken every time you eat chicken? You don't absorb the DNA of what you consume, if you did we would all be long dead or changed. There are enough natural mutations that something as insignificant as altering a mosquito to be resistant to the malaria infection is ridiculous in comparison.

    Again, consuming altered DNA isn't going to change you unless that altered DNA includes some new poison production system. Changing the DNA of pathogens is bad because they mutate quickly (they can go through a million generations in 6 hours) and they can share DNA with other pathogens (through mechanisms we don't understand), changing the DNA of higher organisms is NOT even remotely the same thing. Yes, I disagree with adding a poison to corn to prevent some worm because we are then ingesting that poison. I don't disagree with altering a mosquito so it's not susceptible to a pathogen and as a result won't be a carrier species for that pathogen anymore. Altering a disease carrier so it's no longer a carrier is brilliant, as the virus can't gain a foothold in the altered species it would have to evolve the natural way, not under selective pressure like antibiotics cause (a low dose environmental poison).

    Imagine for a moment that they create a disease resistant mosquito, sure more of them survive because the disease is no longer is killing the mosquitoes, but the ramifications to humanity of removing the mosquito from the group of disease carriers would be astronomically beneficial. It would save millions of lives, mostly in children and the elderly and would be a dramatic health improvement in the poorer countries astride the tropical and sub-tropical latitudes. The only negative being that there are more mosquito's and those countries now need a larger supply of repellent, screens and camphor. Not only that, but without fear of diseases like Yellow fever, Malaria, and other mosquito borne illnesses, travel to those climates would be much easier for the wealthier nations that don't have resistance to those diseases.

  82. There is a HUGE flaw in their reasoning. by the_REAL_sam · · Score: 1

    There is a flaw in their logic. According to the blurb, they compared the rate of survival between the GM and the wild mosquitos. They did NOT compare the rate of survival of wild mosquitos in the same environment in the absence of GM mosquitos. NOR did they prove that the artificial environment was in any way like that of nature, which could potentially reveal other evolutionary weaknesses (or strengths) in the GM breed.

    The only way they could claim an advantage would be if they could prove that the non malarial mosquitos actually displaced the malarial ones. But they didn't prove that. All they proved was that the GM mosquitos were better survivors under identical (and pseudocompetetive) lab conditions.

    To prove what they set out to prove they would have to compare the "malarial mosquitos" on their own, compared with that of "malarial mosquitos" in the presence of the "non malarial" ones. Moreover, they would have to conduct the experiment without any artificial constraints, such as limited water pools or only one mouse per million mosquitoes, since those are NOT the quite the same as the constraints nature would give them.

    A good experiment would involve making 2 seperate indoor labratory ponds with plenty of frogs, snakes, turtles, (malarial)rats, (malarial)mice, pidgeons, etc. Release wild "malarial" mosquitos into one of them, and release BOTH wild and GM mosquitos into the second one. THEN compare the number of wild moquito survivors [after a prudent amount of time], and see whether the presence of the GM mosquitos in any way changed the rate of survival and reproduction of the wild "malarial" mosquitos.

    THAT is what it would take, and nothing short of it.

    EVEN IF they proved that the GM mosquitos displaced the wild "malarial" mosquitos, it would still be unclear that they should be released into the wild, considering that mosquitos are a pest, and doing something to make a pest more robust is potentially making it more difficult to control. In particular, some strains of mosquito can purportedly carry west nile or other disease, which could mean there would be a tradeoff, rather than a clear victory in the war against mosquito-born pestilence.

    All that being said, without further testing, it would be a really foolish mistake to release those GM mosquitos into the wild.

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  83. taking things out of context by Meph_the_Balrog · · Score: 1

    What you quote is absolutely correct, as far as it goes, but from having read deeper, it seems that the following is true:

    Original mosquito + malaria parasite = sick mosquito

    ie. the malaria parasite carrying insect isn't healthy enough to compete with the immune insect. If a GM mozzie meets an uninfected original mozzie, then the playing field is equal, and neither has an advantage.

    I can't tell if you simply misread the article, or you're deliberately misquoting in order to run an agenda, however I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

  84. What we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is mosquitoes genetically modified to not bite humans.

  85. Why stop there? by LingNoi · · Score: 1

    Lets really modify them!

    Lets make them immunize people too! They could be a free drug factory for third world countries.

  86. eradicate Malaria by SIT by kubitus · · Score: 1

    A wild population of insects was tested by nature and evolution - they were tried and found true! If a mix of wild and GM mosquitos shows a better survival of the GM type you should have learned that your lab-conditions are not replicating the wild and not conclude that your GM moquitos are better! Envorinmentally and ecologically a better method to fight Malaria is to eradicate insects by the Sterile Insect Technology (SIT) as developed by the Laboratories of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). This method has no other consequences on the environment but eradicating a single species out of a familyof hundreds. This was succesfully proved by the eradication of the TseTse Fly from Sansibar and the eradication of the Screw-worm Fly from Lybia. http://www-naweb.iaea.org/nafa/ipc/index.html Bill Gates should not have donated to a vaccine-company (which he bought himself before) but to the SIT for mosquitos which is being developed by the IAEA Labs in cooperation with the Center of Desease Control (CDC) in Atlanta, the Queen Mary University, London and the University of Wageningen in the Netherlands

  87. GM mosquitoes by AnnKramer · · Score: 1

    The paper from John Hopkins on malaria-resistant mosquitoes is exciting but still a long way from the field. There remains the technical challenge of spreading a new gene through a mosquito population and the regulatory challenge of determining the potential risks of such an activity. There is an alternate genetic strategy being pursued by a spin-out company from Oxford University called Oxitec. Oxitec's approach would be to release sterile male mosquitoes (only females bite) to mate with wild females. The progeny (larvae) do not develop and the population crashes - reducing bites as well as disease transmission.Oxitec is focusing on the Aedes mosquito that spreads dengue fever, chikungunya and yellow fever as a first target. This approach is simpler from a technical and regulatory perspective - there will be no persistence of the introduced genes in the population.

  88. Someone has to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our new mutant mosquito overlords.