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Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) Beta Released
vivaoporto writes "The Beta version of the popular Linux distribution, Ubuntu 7.04, was released today. Codenamed Feisty Fawn, the CD images can be downloaded from the Canonical Servers, and the final version is due to be released next month. Get it while it's hot! Read more about it on the official wiki."
I'm at 130KB/s before this news goes public... I wonder how for it will go down after the story hits the front page...
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How does this compare to the amazing OpenSUSE 10.2?
And I still haven't managed to give away all those 6.06 CDs I got from ShipIt!
Circumcision is child abuse.
I must admit that Windows Vista almost got me. Its not even the eye candy, its just the thought of looking at something different from XP. I can't wait to go from 6.10 to 7.04, I've really enjoyed ubuntu since I siwtched to it from Debian. I hope that wireless and 3D is a bit easier in this release. I also heard that there is an applet that helps install media codecs, that should really come in handy too (Although I think easybuntu does this too)
It's hard enough for me accept the name "Ubuntu", let alone their release names. I wonder if they could have a contest to actually make the version names somehow worse. I'm sure I would get a lot of street cred with the other IT guys when I tell them I run "Feisty Fawn". I'll have to make sure to wear my neckerchief...
still a long way to go in terms of usability. A friend of mine recently installed 6.10 for the first time. He's basically never used Linux before. I briefly explained how to use Synaptic. He got the hang of things for a while, but then he interrupted a dpkg process when Synaptic was running by hitting the power button. I have no idea why he did this, but you probably know what happened...he tried to run Synaptic later on and it said 'you have to run dpkg update -a to fix these errors!' or something along those lines. Big mistake number one: it told the user to type in commands at the shell. Big mistake number two: it didn't tell him to use sudo.
He was immediately stuck. He even figured out how to access the shell, but he didn't understand why it kept saying that he needed superuser privileges to continue. The problem with these kinds of things is that if even one little glitch happens like this, the user gets stuck and then usually gives up and goes back to Windows. It has to be perfect. It has to be flawless. Or else it won't attract brand new users.
Take off every sig. For great justice.
I'm installing Ubuntu (Kubuntu actually, a KDE fan) for the first time, looking to migrate from SUSE. I got a copy of 6.10 and thought I'd use that and then do an in place upgrade to 7.04 next month (from what I read online it was a matter of issuing a single command). What do you guys recommend? A straight up 7.04 beta or 6.10 followed by the upgrade? I'm somewhat of a newbie with ~nix (but with relatively standard hardware). Thanks
I don't know about Ubuntu, but I assume the following applies to it as well: with popular distros like Fedora, all you need to is enter the irc chatroom (irc://freenode/fedora) from any machine with internet access (it need not be the one you're installing Linux on) and ask your questions, clearly , but politely, and you're likely to get as much hand holding as is possible (limited to things like time of day since many people sleep)
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Please, If you are new to linux don't run the beta version, Use 6.10 its much better and more supported. The beta is not intended for mainstream use. In the #ubuntu channel on freenode there have been people coming in asking questions about Feisty Fawn for months. Those people belong in #ubuntu+1. The beta releases are not supported by the mainstream support, don't install this and expect to be fully supported.
Kubuntu 7.04
http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-beta.php
I did a dist-upgrade from edgy to feisty about three days ago. Nothing has gone downhill and things have only gotten better. I have had a few problems, though I write them off as transitional issues. After all, it was pre-beta software.
My biggest problem has been with the nvidia kernel module. For those who don't know, you can make sure this is installed properly by doing:
sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` nvidia-glx
This is all well and good but for some reason the nvidia kernel module was just randomly disappearing! No joke. I ended up using module-assistant (sudo it) to build my own nvidia module, which worked great, and got everything working again.
There is a new restricted module manager which explicitly informs you that you are using restricted modules, which may not be supported. The system may have made it easy for you to install binary drivers, but it makes damned sure that you know you're using them and what the downside is.
The network-manager gains zeroconf support in this release, but there's still no WPA options in the network-manager. I thought that was coming in this release? I have network-manager-gnome installed, but it doesn't look anything like this. So I don't know WTF is going on. And I'm in the middle of installing a bunch of packages so I can't find out at this moment, either. The default driver may not support WPA, I wouldn't know, but my network-manager applet still is a pale ghost of what I'm seeing in screenshots.
In general, what most beta users of Feisty are going to notice in comparison to Edgy is graphical. Various theme elements have changed slightly. The biggest change, of course, is the official inclusion of binary drivers, which is much easier to get working. You won't need envy to get those nvidia drivers working any more (assuming you were unable or unwilling to do the install manually, envy seems to have been the most common way to install 'em.) Envy, of course, does not support Feisty.
Early adopters will note that EasyUbuntu and Automatix both still lack Feisty support. Way to test and be ahead of the curve, guys. But of course that's not Ubuntu's fault.
This is a lot less painless than my last experience, attempting to upgrade a somewhat tweaked dapper to edgy. This system is no less tweaked, but the dist-upgrade went fine.
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I've been running it for some time now as I've signed up as a tester some time back. I must say in the past I was a big Ubuntu hater as I am part of another Linux distro's admin staff. However, I gave it a spin and must admit, as far as polish, ease of use, stability and the latest software goes, Ubuntu is by far the ultimate "free as in beer" ditro in my book. My previous biased opinion was quickly shattered. In retrospect I wish I have tried Edgy.
I wouldn't run the 64 bit version of any OS unless you really had a reason. Theres no 64 bit flash for any platform, no wine and plenty of other misc problems. Unless you have a good reason (> 4gb ram) then you're only going to run into headaches.
Today, more and more people opt in for using home RAID arrays, primarily from free chipset controllers that implement RAID 0,1, (5) capabilities in software. It is free performance upgrade for anybody with more than one hard drive.
For long time, no Linux distro would support this 'winRAID'. Then dmraid project was created at RedHat, and soon after, Fedora Core 5,6, SUSE 10.2, and RHEL 5 have installer support for it.
Last I've heard that future Ubuntu releases will contain support for dmraid... does anybody can verify that is the case, that is Ubuntu 7.04 can be installed on RAID0 device created on onboard RAID controller?
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This Ubuntu release 7.04 boots faster and is snappier than the previous 6.10. It no longer requires prelinking to increase speed.
From the ubuntu forums:
"UPDATE 1/2/07: Prelink is no longer necessary in Feisty. Feisty uses a new linking mechanism called DT_GNU_HASH which dramatically speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running the prelink program."
Another great improvement is hardware (esp. wireless and graphics) support.
Now thats progress, each release faster and better than the last.
Don't make your problems my problems!
my guess is that it will start with a 'G'
Gnarly Gnome, Gestating Grinch, Glad Gestapo, Gooey Goonie, Garish German, Garnished Goat, Global Geese....
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Next release will be "Gaping Goatse". It will give an entirely new meaning to "Open Source"...
The updates are NOT always perfect.
If you've used EasyUbuntu or something like that, you may have problems.
If you're not sure of your comfort level with fixing something like that (or if you depend upon a wireless NIC for connectivity) then you should just go with a clean install.
People with more experience will be able to identify possible problems BEFORE upgrading and also be able to handle them AFTER the upgrade.
I've had no problems but then I use an old NIC and I have a decent amount of Linux experience.
Recently there has been an issue where "hda" suddenly became "sda" and caused some issues for people. Ubuntu changed the way the IDE systems were labeled to make things easier in the future. I noticed when my USB drive changed. This could be a problem for someone with less experience.
We can do a great service for Canicals servers and there mirrors if we bit torrent.
:-)
Also because I am downloading this torrent and more people would mean better transfer rates.
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I'm quite new to Linux, but decided to try out Ubuntu. I'm using Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy). I dual boot, and have been for about a year now because I have to use Windows mainly, for school.
I found the ubuntu forums to be very helpful, and I also found the ubuntu guide (www.ubuntuguide.org) to be extremely helpful for the basic things that a new user would run into.
As noted in these comments, you will need to get to know the console (command line) more so than needed in Windows. However, I have now found that I prefer it for many things. The other thing you'll need to get used to is not having root user privileges for everything you do, meaning if you want to do something not mundane (and sometimes even mundane things), you'll need to give yourself root privileges for that action (which in ubuntu is most easily done by typing "sudo" in the console before your command).
I feel like I've become real familiar with how everything works by trying to add fancy things to the user interface (like a rotating cube desktop). Working on those fancy things, which is sometimes difficult (but easier now than it used to be) gave me the understanding I need such that doing all the basic stuff is now absolutely no problem. The forums and Ubuntu guide got me there.
I will note, though, it is not like windows. It can't be--you just can't have it be as secure as Ubuntu and as easy to use as Windows (I'm sure that's why Windows is so hole-ridden; it was all in the name of useability). On the other hand, Linux really is a lot easier to use than it used to be, has good support, and can do things Windows can't (I really think my rotating cube desktop is awesome).
Two weeks ago, one of my friends called me. His in-laws were visiting them. Since they are Turkish, they will stay like 6 months with their daughter in US. In order to pass time, they often visit the local library to use internet and read Turkish newspapers.
:)).
Now my friend found an old computer from his company (Pentium III, 750 Mhz, 20GB harddisk) that had Windows 2000 and thought that could save his in-laws a trip to the library. He connected it to his brand new cable connection (without any router). I had warned him earlier that he should at least install a firewall before connecting it to the internet. Of course he didn't listen me and it was the next day after the first run that he called me. Guess what, the computer started showing spam messages (I think that was the messanger bug), so he run an old antivirus program all day and couldn't find anything (the program never finished actually).
Now, he was wondering how he can fix the problem. I said either use a free anti virus or let me install linux. Since he wanted to test drive Linux he opted for it. So we made a deal, his in-laws were going to prepare delicious Turkish food, and meanwhile I was going to install Kubuntu 6.10.
At the beginning, the boot started fine. However, as soon as X11 started the screen went dark. I waited 15 minutes or so since that was the first time I was using Kubuntu 6.10 installer and I thought the machine was doing something. But it turned out that I had downloaded live cd (which had the installer). So spent an hour or so trying a few times, and trying install without going to the live system. I should have read little more, since apparently live cd doesn't have the regular installation options I was expecting to see (they had another CD for that). Anyway, after an hour or so, I had my euroka moment when I pressed Cltr-Alt-F1. Wholla, text console was there. Now, at least I knew machine was up but X11 had problems. So I changed X11 configuration on the live system to vesa and X started working. With the main bottleneck solved, I quickly started installation. The installer was kind enough to ask even if I want to create a partition for windows and let it stay there. My friend just said remove everything, so I just go and selected a few options and the machine was ready in 10 minutes or so. However, when it booted the next time from the hard-drive, it was again X11 with problems so I just modified xconfig file to switch it back to vesa driver. Now, I had a working machine with 800x600 resolution. A quick internet search showed me that the Matrox G250 driver that comes with the driver had a bug. So ubuntu forums had a discussion where somebody recompiled bug-free debian driver for matrox. After installing that, I had 1600x1200 resolution without any problem. Next hour spent on eye-candies. I installed firefox, created bookmarks to the Turkish newspapers, created some bookmarks to in-laws mail providers etc, added some weather and add blocking extensions. I also changed to KDE and Firefox themes to noia (to their dismay, since initially they wanted to have familiar XP interface which my heart didn't let me do it. I complained so much that they let me use Noia
Anyway, to make the long story short, the only think they wanted out-of box was Internet Explorer since some sites explicitly required it and Acrobat Reader. It didn't took very long to install IE (thanks to IEs4Linux) and Adobe already had acroread ready. My friend's wife needed an office program, so the obvious choice was OpenOffice. The final step was the installation of Flash. I also showed them how to use Adept so that they can install whatever they want very easily, and just added a button to kill firefox or IE , in case they had problems.
Since then they are very happy with their system. My main concern which was running KDE on Pentium 3 750Mhz machine with 256MB ram was unfounded. The system is very responsive. I was wondering how long it would stay without crashing, and asked them to let the compute
I just installed one of the betas on my old Toshiba Satellite laptop, and everything works perfectly for me. In fact an odd finding is that I get BETTER reception with my wi-fi card than when it was running Windows XP.
:D
My feelings on the current releases of Ubuntu is that it is getting VERY close to making Linux a potential alternative for average Windows users. The only shortcoming that still exists is that installing applications that are not distributed through Ubuntu is still confusing for 'normal' folks (ie. people who have no background with Linux). It would be nice if Linux would adapt a single universal installer for all Linux apps -- that would bring Linux a lot of people.
Anyways, keep your eyes on this release -- it is nice
I am open source, and Linux baby!
For the most "unnerdy" of users, maybe not, but there _is_ one big reason to do it - "market share". If nobody uses x64 OSs then what incentive is there for software to be ported/released? It's like advising users to stick with MSIE because some sites may not work. And of course - eventually - we will move to x64 and will be able to drop compatibility i386 runtimes from our systems. Let's hope that it takes less than 13 years that i386 adoption took.
Firstly, restricted drivers have always been a part of ubuntu, and when those are installed, it should "just work"; if not, it is a bug. This is perhaps better than Windows, as you need no trip to nividia.com
Secondly, yes, you can forego the restricted package, download the nvidia driver, and run the install script. This is what I do, and it always works without hassle. I just hit enter a few times and I'm done.
But really it comes down to what you want to do. If you want to run Windows because it will "just work" and/or you can make it "just work" within your comfort zone, that's fine. If you want to run Linux because it will "just work" and/or you can make it "just work", that's also fine. Some people choose the first, some the second. The better choice is the one that makes you happiest, isn't it?
I was able to install Edgy on my MBP with only slight trickery as described here. The LiveCD booted with no problems at all. The only shortcoming is no wireless; trying to use ndiswrapper produced kernel panics on boot.
How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
Your reasons are valid mainly for the desktop.
However, on the server they don't apply.
I have been running 64-bit on an AMD server without any problems (apart from a trivial quirk in PHP's PEAR/PECL which has an easy workaround [just add ini_set('memory_size', 16MB) in some script]).
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I hear it would be easier to buy weed if it weren't illegal.
Why are you complaining about Ubuntu when your complaint is with the hardware manufacturer? If you want a usable computer out of the box, then install the VESA driver and be content. But if that's not good enough, and you want all the state of the art features that modern graphics adapters support, then go to the people who write the drivers and demand it.
You may not care WHY not, but you should at least take the time to understand that issues like this are not of Ubuntu's making. This is not about software purity; this is about the intransigence of the people who make the hardware. There are valid historical reasons for that intransigence, but until YOU start aiming your complaints at the people who can actually affect the situation, then you should stick to Windows.
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Thank you. That's basically the whole story right there. If we're going to compare install experiences for operating systems, Ubuntu crushes Windows into the ground all day long.
-- The act of censorship is always worse than whatever is being censored. Always.
NOOOOO, not that spyware-infested piece of crap!
Also, why would you even want to pay for such things when it should be part of the OS (whether the OS itself is for free or not).
Another reason why I prefer Linux...at least in Linux you don't have to download adware/spyware-infested crap in order to do some simple theme or style changes in my desktop environment.
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1) x64 is a Microsoft marketing term. The architecture is x86-64, or AMD64. 2) Things are already moving in the right direction; more and more software is being compiled and released for both 32-bit and 64-bit. This isn't going to be another IPv6. And if you're using only FOSS, you should be able to put together a pure 64-bit system without too much trouble. But for desktop users that may need binary-only drivers, video codecs, etc, there's no sense in going 64-bit just for the hell of it.
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Actually, you can patch XP's theme managing file (uxtheme). It isn't bundled with the OS, but all the patcher does is remove the barrier that says only MS certified themes can be used. Sure, it's nowhere near the versatility of Gnome (or KDE I presume), but you aren't restricted to the themes Windows comes with.
Yes, apparently 32-bit Ubuntu works just fine on x86-64. Personally, I use 64-bit and nspluginwrapper to make 32-bit flash work in the 64-bit browser. It's a bit of a hack, and not totally stable, but definitely works well enough. The one thing that is quite tricky is getting the w32codecs working in 64-bit, you need to install a 32-bit mplayer to work with them.