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GTA IV Trailer Released, Slows Sites
Mr_Congeniality writes "The much-anticipated trailer for the next chapter in the Grand Theft Auto series has been released. Rockstar's servers, including the one that hosts Rockstar's homepage, was completely overloaded with traffic last night as a result. Users desperately flocking to other websites like GTANet and GTA4.net, but even these websites were overloaded by the interest level. If these sites are still slow, try GameTrailers or GameVideos as an alternative. For analysis of the video, CVG has ten things you may have missed, while 1up's editors offer their opinions on what they saw."
Just posted it on YouTube to begin with.
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Hopefully this game will be similar to Vice City and not like San Andreas...being a thug/gangsta riding a bicycle just isn't my style.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
Where's the PC game release on this one? The GTA series was originally for the PC. Oh well.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
Looks like the PR boffins have been doing their homework lately.
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One thing many people missed is the reference to the movie Koyaanisqatsi. The music was taken from the original movie score, by Philip Glass, and the 'fast-motion' scenes are a direct reference to scenes from the movie.
Also, much of the movie was shot in, you guessed it, New York.
I'm sold. Koyaanisqatsi reference for the win!
Also, I'm gonna have to buy a PS3 for it -- I'm too lazy to relearn the controls for the 360.
now show me some gameplay, I don't need GTA III mechanics again. And please tweak the combat system so I feel like there is some level of control during up close fights instead of just random luck.
No ghetto blasting gangsta or slick mobster this time. Looks like a modern day game played out with a eastern european/russian hitman. The graphics look absolutely stunning like something out of a movie. Cars looks like Forza models. People actual look like people not some rectagular blocks of old GTA games. Shadowing, sunsets, cloud cover, you name it all in this thing. I wonder if rain is coming?
I will HAVE to buy an XBOX360 to play this game. Noone is forcing me to but damn this thing comes out on my birthday (3 rockstar) so I guess I'm plunking down a huge chunk of change to get my gaming system and GTA to play for a few weeks.
sigh...
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I, for one, welcome our new.. server overload.. erm.. system..
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"On that note, I think we should also take the opportunity to blame Microsoft for global warming, the African AIDS epidemic, and JFK's assassination."
No, just their shitty hardware.
25 gig BluRay vs 7.5 gig DVD - Over three times the storage for the PS3. And the PC version can use tens of gigs of hard drive space and come on multiple discs that are uncompressed at install time. But thanks to the idiotic Core pack that isn't an option since it has no hard drive.
How would you like your 360 games downgraded to fit on 650 meg CDs? Now you know how PS3 and PC owners feel...
What kind of a game is Greater Toronto Area?
So what exactly do you want them to stick on the BluRay disc? I'm sure that they can stick multiple copies of the game on the disc to compensate for the slow loading time (like Bethesda did with Oblivion).
If you're in the mood for hours of FMV's, then I'm sure FFXIII will satisfy your needs.
The bottom line is - developers don't know *what* to do with all that disc space. Blaming MS for that is idiotic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoB01yi_6Ys
I've seen games that take more than 10GB to install, I'm sure it's not beyond the imagination of the developers what could be put on the extra 15gb.
and yes the XBOX360 is crap, especially when compared to a PC or even the PS3, fortunately GTA 3/ SA for the PC had better graphics etc... than the console versions so hopefully the same will be true for this version.
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I haven't played this series since Vice City and I'm glad that we finally get a modern, more stylized version of it. The voiceover seems to point at some Russian/Eastern European immigrant moving up the ranks in American crime. It's reminiscent of the beginning in movies like The Godfather or Scarface where you see the world through the eyes of a newcomer.
Here's the direct download link for the 720P WMV file. Or, you can see it on YouTube as well.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
> The bottom line is - developers don't know *what* to do with all that disc space.
Yep, that's why GTA IV will coming out on a single floppy disc...
Anything more is just stupid and wasteful.
Developers shouldn't be allowed to be so lazy.
And anyways 'some really good compression' should make the game fit.
Did I get the 360 gimped storage format talking points right? Did I miss any?
You're obviously trolling, but I would throw back the same retort for last generation - the XBox versions of games were contanstly gimped due to the PS2 being the lead development platform for most games.
"the XBox versions of games were contanstly gimped due to the PS2"
You're obviously clueless.
The PS2 and Xbox both had exactly the same storage sizes - dual layer DVDs. And mind boggling side note, the 360 actually has LESS storage than both the PS2 and Xbox.
The PS2 and Xbox both push roughly the same number of polys. The Xbox pulls ahead for multi-pass tris and the PS2 pulls ahead for untextured/single pass tris.
Feel free to grab a PS2 devkit and an Xbox devkit and demonstrate otherwise. There would be quite a few console developers shocked to hear it.
The gulf between the PS3 and the Xbox 360 is as large as the gulf between the Xbox 360 and the Wii...
Can anybody please set up a torrent and post a link here in the comments for one of the high-res files?
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I think not ignoring 80% of their target console audience in 360 owners isn't pandering to lowest common denominator, its smart marketing. God knows Rockstar needs that now. But its good to see that fanboy trolls are going to be nice and busy with all this non-exclusivity flying around.
Look, just because 3rd party support is eroding and previously exclusive titles are going multi-platform (or becoming 360 exclusives), doesn't mean the PS3 was a poor investment, right?
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Suppose I want to play Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Dead Rising or Lost Planet? How will I do that with my PC?
Or at least the landmarks are. The Cyclone is spot-on. Mapping the virtual streets to NYC's actual layout would be even cooler. Let's hope. It would be awesome to scream down my street in Brooklyn in a ferrari.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
This may come as a shock to you, but you can't have Crysis level graphics with the amount of game space and detail in GTA IV. But then again, even if it would have Crysis graphics, you would still complain.
Gears of War - Shiny normal map hell and shitty low rez environments - crappy 4v4 multiplayer
Mass Effect - Just what the gaming world needs more of those retarded UE3 shiny normal mapped characters
Halo 3 - Oh joy, shiny green metal! That was so cool...five years ago. 16 player p2p networking for 50 bucks a year. Next!
Dead Rising - you kill zombies, ok that was fun for five minutes
Lost Planet - yawn, would have been a budget bin title - last gen
No wonder the 360 is dead everywhere but the US.
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"So what exactly do you want them to stick on the BluRay disc? I'm sure that they can stick multiple copies of the game on the disc to compensate for the slow loading time (like Bethesda did with Oblivion)."
Uh, no they didn't...
"The bottom line is - developers don't know *what* to do with all that disc space."
Right...it just so happens that a fan of the Xbox 360 believes we have finally entered a MAGICAL ERA OF STORAGE that just so happens to be the same amount his systems is built with...
Rejoice gamers! The need for more and more storage has finally come to an end!
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Sure you can imagine games that large, but developers dare not make PS3 games that big lest they render their games uninstallable on 20GB PS3s. BluRay is so slow that you have to copy everything to the hard disk or load times will be unbearable.
"I'm sure it's not beyond the imagination of the developers what could be put on the extra 15gb." Another game and a half perhaps? Maybe EA should start attaching last years Madden with this years... just because they have 15 more gigs to fill
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If Oblivion and Crackdown could fit on standard DVD's, I don't see why GTA 4 should be any different.
As for the lowest common denominator, you are aware that the PS2 WAS the lowest common denominator performance wise last generation, are you?
The best thing, to me, about the game that the trailer shows is that its set in a real world location, that is going to increase the immersion so much more no matter how good the visuals are. I wonder how closely they are going to replicate New York, as no doubt the game world will be huge. It would be positively awesome if i could use my real world knowledge of the city to find places and things in the game. And who knows, maybe they will include some of the suburbs, so I can take a leisurely Sunday drive to my neighborhood. :-)
*shrug* Xbox owners dealt with it last gen when the ps2 was the lowest common denominator for GTA games. Maybe one of these months the ps3 will outsell the 360 and you'll have an installed base capable of holding 3rd party exclusives.
I would rather load up my own MP3 play list from my PC over my 360. I got about a weeks (or more) worth of music.
I spent a couple of months in the summer in California, and had many chances to ride around on a cheap bike in the Palo Alto/Menlo Park region. I have a lot of good memories of those excursions; I guess I should apologize: that part of SA was targeted at me specifically.
I really just feel sorry for you. Either you have a deep love for a faltering console and it's destroying your mood, or you work for Sony and they've given you the impossible task of going to Slashdot and acting like an asshole to gain support for them. Either way, you're in a shitty situation. Sorry brother.
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Be fair here: Crackdown isn't that big and Oblivion pushed the absolute limit of what could be fit on a DVD. You notice how low-res the textures are in Oblivion? They didn't have room for anything better. There's your disc limitation right there.
It's the same with Mass Effect - Bioware came out and said they just barely managed to squeeze the game onto a single DVD and that they stretched their compression methods beyond what they even thought they could do to accomplish that.
The crazy troll may be pretty far off-base but more storage on a disc is a good thing.
You're an extremely bad troll. I have 360 and PS3 dev kits in my shop right now, and we retired our PS2 and XBOX kits a while back. The gulf between the 360 and PS3 is probably about the size of a (broken) toothpick. Nice job trying though.
PS2 -> 4 or 8 gig DVD
Xbox -> 4 or 8 gig DVD
1:1 ratio for storage
PS3 -> 25 or 50 gig BluRay
Xbox 360 4 or 7.5 gig DVD
3:1 or 6:1 size advantage for the PS3 over the Xbox 360
What is amazing is the fact that there is about a gig less storage on the Xbox 360 compared to last gen. There's never been a console that actually had less storage than a previous gen.
If 360 is 'dead' with 10 million+ units sold what does that make the PS3? A first trimester abortion? Mommy and Daddy used a condom?
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Simple,
Don't buy an XBox 360, if enough people didn't buy the XBox 360 the games would be available on the pc, with better graphics, sound etc.....
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You are a sad, mistaken man. if Anything, it's the PS3 thats gimped, as you say. Ask any developer about the graphics chips in each. On a good day the break about even.
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And unlike you, I know what i'm talking about and don't have an agenda:
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I've got enough music to keep me going for months without a single repeat, I'd like to see the XBox 360 do that.
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How fast can you read/write data on a Blu-ray disc?
According to the Blu-ray Disc specification, 1x speed is defined as 36Mbps. However, as BD-ROM movies will require a 54Mbps data transfer rate the minimum speed we're expecting to see is 2x (72Mbps). Blu-ray also has the potential for much higher speeds, as a result of the larger numerical aperture (NA) adopted by Blu-ray Disc. The large NA value effectively means that Blu-ray will require less recording power and lower disc rotation speed than DVD and HD-DVD to achieve the same data transfer rate. While the media itself limited the recording speed in the past, the only limiting factor for Blu-ray is the capacity of the hardware. If we assume a maximum disc rotation speed of 10,000 RPM, then 12x at the outer diameter should be possible (about 400Mbps). This is why the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) already has plans to raise the speed to 8x (288Mbps) or more in the future.
The Blueray drive in the PS3 is faster than the DVD drive in the XBox360 so load times should be faster.
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Let me guess...
Typical small to medium crappy x86 developer.
Lots of Visual Studio, x86 reference, and various Windows or DirectX books on the shelves.
You guys whine on net message boards about how 'teh PS2/PS3 is hard teh program' cuz all that directx code you've scrapped together from NVidia/ATI's sites and various leaks from companies like Valve won't run on the PS3 and you don't have a fucking clue how to handle a piece of modern graphics hardware like the PS3
Love making thing 'shiny' with 'teh shaders'
It sucks that as the x86 game market continues to die all the worthless x86/directx cutnpaste monkeys are fleeing to console development.
Oops for you.
I've just checked. Oblivion takes up 6.4Gb of the DVD's 8Gb capacity. There's actually another gig and a half left for textures, if they really wanted them.
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They can still use the extra space for more and better textures etc. More kinds of houses, more kinds of pedestrians, more kinds of cars. Non-essential to gameplay, but it would still make a bit of a difference. I wouldn't be suprised if Sony would co-sponsor that extra content, just to showcase the difference between the PS3 and the XBox360..
Stop the brainwash
So move to procedural textures. Or, better yet, shaded polygons. Why put a texture of a belt on a character when you can just model the belt?
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No, if fewer XBox 360s were sold it would only mean that companies would be less likely to release games for the 360. It's not a zero sum game. Fewer 360 games does not imply more PC games. In any case, companies already have 10 million+ 360s to market their games to.
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Oops for you.
The 360's DVD can only use 7Gb of data...
And then there are issues with dual layer DVDs that degrade performance for free roaming games where it is ideal to keep everything/as much as possible on one layer for performance reasons.
One of the reasons the PS3 is so much faster at loading and has none of the messy pop-in issues that plagues the 360 version of the game.
25Gb BluRay discs are just one layer and the entire 25Gbs can be used for random access for a free roaming game with no performance penalty. Welcome to next gen.
> And unlike you, I know what i'm talking about and don't have an agenda:
Judging by that picture, I'm guessing you don't have a wife either.
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Well, clearly I should refrain from playing those games because Mr. Anonymous Coward on Slashdot disapproves of them.
And my point is proven.
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I think this is what Sony was hoping to do with the Cell processor. Assign one or two of the chips to creating textures on the fly, leave one for the physics, one for sound, etc... With one processor (and three cores, as in the 360), you're looking at taking a lot of headroom just to generate textures, leaving little power for everything else in the game. In theory, the Cell processor is what very complex games should be played on.
Unfortunately, I don't think game developers are quite at that point yet. They're used to textures, and since the PS3 is the only console with a Cell processor, they can't port games to the 360 or Wii if they rely on procedural textures. It's really a shame - the PS3 has the most potential right now, but I don't think it will ever get used.
Just a sidenote: I am by no means a fan of Sony. I think their rootkit antics, exploding batteries and "you should get a second job because the PS3 is worth it" attitude are very wrong. I just happen to think that they have made a console that's ahead of its time for two reasons: no need for Blu-Ray and poor programming tools for the Cell. The demand for Blu-Ray might exist soon, but programming for Cell processors will remain very complicated for a long time. If they succeed with it, they'll have a huge edge on the competition in the future generations of consoles.
I wonder if all the late night advertising for the trailer was worth it. There is no way anyone sat there thru the whole 30 minute spot and watched the timer tick down.
The hype for the trailer was a bit of a let down. It has given me second thoughts about the game too. Is it really going to be worth the price of a 360?
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Wow, you certainly got me picked out. Except for one thing -- my code is being used by over a million gamers. What's yours doing? :)
"So what exactly do you want them to stick on the BluRay disc?"
More music and higher resolution textures?
I have to admit to having become a bit of a Ludite with regards to all of the new home entertainment, high def TV, LCD, plasma, buzzword, blah blah blah... offerings that have come out over the last few years. I never understood the fascination with watching sports in high definition, or watching the latest sitcom or TV drama in ultra clarity. But now that I have seen the graphics in that trailer, I understand why somebody would want to buy a high definition television... and a new console system. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. The urge to spend money on stupid shit is growing.
Right...because hard drives only matter when they benefit your own point.
And as a non-fanboy who owns all the systems; The Xbox versions almost always looked better for whatever reason. The Cube version too. The PS2 was the least graphically impressive of the last generation. Not to mention the PS2's online experience was only slightly better than the Cube's. When buying last gen games my priority always went XBox if available, then Cube if there was no online or PS2 if there was.
What I've always been confused about is why they haven't made an optical drive with more than one read head. Read from two (or even 3) parts of the disc at once.
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Well, wait a minute, more pedestrians would certainly be essential to the gameplay. It's going to be a hell of a lot harder to do those drag race missions during rush hour in the middle of downtown. You might plow into so many bodies on the corner of Jefferson and Main that they stop your car completely in the PS3 version!
Please God let them have a better camera system for this one. The one in SA on the PC was terrible. I cannot believe they let that crap out, and people still loved the game.
The PS3 only has 256MB of graphics memory though, just like PC graphics cards from 2003.(Not that the 360 is much better).
I don't completely follow your post. Am I correct in deciphering that you'd like to see the 360 play music for months without repeating? That's easy, just hook it up to the host server using one of the many streaming clients available.
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Considering that I've barely kept any tabs on the development of Crysis, it's pretty far-fetched to call me a fanboy.
They did. It was called TrueX, and was manufactured by Kenwood and Hi-Val.
The drive rotated at equivilant 6-10x speed (CLV), and delivered 40x-72x speeds constantly, thanks to seven independent read heads.
A buddy of mine bought the first-generation drive, and I was amazed how quickly it installed Windows. It was also very quiet...but beyond that, it wasn't that amazing.
Reasons why it failed:
* TOO EXPENSIVE. It couldn't compete with cheap CD drives.
* POOR BIOS support, drives would often not be detected during POST.
* POOR COMPATIBILITY, the drives had trouble reading certain discs.
* CRAPPY ACCESS TIMES, what do you expect when the disc spins so slow?
The consumers responded by bringing a class-action lawsuit over the problems. Kenwood lost the lawsuit, and the technology was quietly buried.
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