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How Will Governments Keep Up With Technology?

Andy Updegrove writes "Governments are beginning to realize that perhaps the Internet really has changed everything, at least for them, and that they are going to have to deal with new responsibilities in this area. How will they deal with financial and medical data breaches? What can they do to ensure that first responders will be able to communicate the next time that terrorists strike in the Homeland, and how will the refugees of the next Katrina be able to access their electronic medical records? And what must governments do to ensure that public records will be available in fifty years, if they no longer maintain paper archives? Whether government should incline towards leading, following or simply getting out of the way is a matter upon which there are likely to be strongly held differences of opinion. It's also likely, though, that government will not have the luxury of opting for the third choice in some of the areas just mentioned. How well government chooses among those roles, and how well it executes when it chooses to lead, will likely have a profound impact on our lives in the years ahead."

150 comments

  1. Easy by fatduck · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the government, right? They can just ask Jesus.

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    1. Re:Easy by FyRE666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They should just stay the hell out of it. Every time a government gets involved in anything they just end up screwing it up and making it an expensive, bloated mess. Lets face it governments are made up of people who'd probably be completely unemployable anywhere else, so why should anyone listen to their "ideas" about the 'net. The 'net has grown nicely without government meddling; why not leave it that way?

    2. Re:Easy by Redlazer · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I agree 100%.


      Whenever you may find yourself asking "Maybe the government should be doing this?" the answer is almost ALWAYS "no."

      It would be like giving a nine year old a company to run. He has no understanding of it, and is most likely totally incapable of learning about it, so instead will apply stupid rules when things go wrong.

      The government is evil. Always.

      -Red

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    3. Re:Easy by Meadowhog · · Score: 1

      GPS and ARPANET never would have gotten there without the government. Every now and then they do get things right.
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    4. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This should be modded sad not funny.

    5. Re:Easy by spikedvodka · · Score: 1

      You missed the obvious answer:
      Q: "How Will Governments Keep Up WIth Technology?"
      A: Poorly, Very Poorly

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    6. Re:Easy by DM9290 · · Score: 1

      "The 'net has grown nicely without government meddling;"

      when did that imaginary scenario happen?

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    7. Re:Easy by yellowalienbaby · · Score: 1

      If I had modpoints today, I would put them all toward a +6 funny campaign.

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    8. Re:Easy by adona1 · · Score: 0

      The Government(s) will do what they always do in regards to technology: belatedly make short sighted laws that don't address the way the technology has changed nor the needs of their constituency, but do address the needs of those poor hungry lobbyists.

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    9. Re:Easy by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Easy for you to say in the comfort of your well-policed neighborhood, where everyone has a somewhat safe job and no one dies from smallpox, over the internet, with a bank account that won't vanish overnight. Or do you live in Somalia?

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    10. Re:Easy by Redlazer · · Score: 1
      "Whenever you may find yourself asking "Maybe the government should be doing this?" the answer is almost ALWAYS "no.""

      I never said that the government shouldn't do some things - but isn't there always "I could do it better/cheaper/faster"? The government does many things, and there are things that it must do - but policing the internet is not one of those things. The government is about force - their only weapon is a real life ban-hammer.

      What does the government have to do with smallpox? Immunizations are offered by doctors offices and hospitals, which in the States, are not run the government.

      And even more importantly, what does the government have to do with my job? At most, a union gives the illusion of security - and complains for better working conditions. The government may set regulations, which ill give you. But still, most of them are either too restrictive or not restrictive enough, and they have too many personal interests to do anything about either.

      Police are city or state run. The feds only come around for "big" deals. Unless you live in Somalia.

      I'll give you the banks too - but look at how awful banking in the States is, and even in Canada. Two different systems that suck - but Canada's is arguably better.

      But, look at our phone services, ISP's, cable TV, and other things: Monopolies or duopolies. High prices, price hikes, old technology (it still costs extra for caller id!), bad roads, and just a generally stupid way of doing many many things. America is worse in some areas - but god, at least it's cheaper to live there.

      -Red

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    11. Re:Easy by asninn · · Score: 1

      That's true, but at times, it can be a necessary evil, too. The fact that you're not allowed to go out and murder random people is an infringement of your freedom, for example, but nobody in their right mind would complain about that or say that the government's evil for creating a law that prohibits random murders.

      Governments are still evil, of course - governments are made of people, and people are corrupted by power (not to mention that pretty much all systems seem to favour the most ruthless sociopaths, anyway, and make it more likely for you to get elected if you're one of those). But to an extent, they're still necessary; pure anarchism doesn't work (at least not when your goal is to create a civilised society), since powerful factions with powerful leaders would simply arise naturally. And how'd you stop them? There's no overarching government anymore after all, so your only chance is to become a warlord as well and fight the other guy(s). However, more likely than not, you wouldn't be a warlord - you'd be one of the little guys who suffer and who'd suffer under either warlord.

      For a current example, look at Somalia.

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    12. Re:Easy by ssstraub · · Score: 1

      Governments are evil. Always.
      Then in your next post:

      Police are city or state run. The feds only come around for "big" deals.

      So your argument is that federal government is "always" bad and local government is good?
    13. Re:Easy by Redlazer · · Score: 1
      Yes, youre very correct. I share your opinion - i have just as much disdain for anarchists as i do for socialists, haha.


      The point of the government is to do what we as individuals or neighbourhoods or cities or states cannot - unfortunatley, that is too broad of a definition, and the real problems arise from interpretations of that definition.

      -Red

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    14. Re:Easy by Redlazer · · Score: 1
      Good point, but i suppose my opinion is that local governments are less bad than federal government. The federal governemnt has more power, and therefore, is more corrupt. Local government consists of people who live in that area, and therefore, hopefully have a certain respect for the area. Or something like that.

      Everyone hates big companies, right? Then aren't little companies evil too?

      -Red

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    15. Re:Easy by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

      Immunizations for those rich enough to afford them. It was the government that funded the smallpox irradiation effort. As for those duopolys, most of them were created instead of having the post office do it because of anti-government nuts like you. Look at European infrastructure for an example of how government can do some things much better then the free market can. In particular, compare ISDN pricing over there and over here.

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    16. Re:Easy by Redlazer · · Score: 1
      A good example - but one out of how many hundreds of governments around the world? I think India also has an excellent government that routinely hamperes business in the interest of the people, which is totally awesome. It really is.

      But what about everyone else? The US, Canada, and others? The corrupt, the power hungry, the zealots? I certainly think government has a very important function to perform, and if we can count on them to not abuse it, then absolutely, its excellent. But, do you really trust your government to take care of you? In every situation you may need it?

      Do you really think you can trust a stranger to honestly care about you, number 151-1522-351?

      -Red

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    17. Re:Easy by ssstraub · · Score: 1

      Ok, I understand why you'd say that now. I think they are equally prone to corruption, but you're right that the federal government would cause more damage, even if they are only as corrupt as the state government.

  2. Two Words: Very Poorly. by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's it...

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    1. Re:Two Words: Very Poorly. by slysithesuperspy · · Score: 1

      I think it was on Free to Choose where Milton Friedman pointed out that technology allowed government to expand to new levels sizes with technology. Of course as the article states there is a flip-side, and it will probably be really poor at adapting. It excels in expanding bureaucracy and diminishing individual liberty but not much else.

  3. Ham's by jshriverWVU · · Score: 2, Informative

    Amateur radio is a great backup system when all else fails in the arena of communication.

    1. Re:Ham's by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be better just to ensure that emergency cell towers were put in place? It seems like more responders have access to cell technology rather than amateur radio, and cutting out the middleman of having to relay messages through an operator would help things out. Also, it would allow people to call for help instead of climbing on their roofs and holding up sheets that say "Please Help".

    2. Re:Ham's by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Informative

      That depends on what's failed. Amateur radio has significantly greater range (two or three orders of magnitude with inexpensive equipment) than cellular. Cell towers already have battery backup, and some have generator backup. IIRC, phone companies also have mobile power units as well as mobile cell towers with generators.

      Also, Amateur radio nets can function as a kid of "chat room" for emergency responders and volunteers. Issues that might get ignored through normal channels can be addressed by volunteers.

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    3. Re:Ham's by paeanblack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be better just to ensure that emergency cell towers were put in place? It seems like more responders have access to cell technology rather than amateur radio, and cutting out the middleman of having to relay messages through an operator would help things out.

      Your challenge, should you choose to accept it:

      Design an emergency cell tower that will survive a hurricane/tornado/tsunami/etc and will get approved by the zoning board, city beautification commission, and the historical society.

      Stuff breaks. When stuff is breaking on a large scale, you usually need emergency communications. Cell towers are not reliable.

    4. Re:Ham's by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd probably use a blimp or some such. The government can afford to put together a handful of them for just this sort of emergency, and you could get more by offering companies that manage blimps for advertising, etc, tax incentives to make their blimps capable of supporting the mobile tower infrastructure...Talk about some people who'd be happy to see the Goodyear blimp.

      Building emergency towers on the ground is hugely foolish. You would never be able to guarantee power, never be able to guarantee that your switching infrastructure is not going to be submerged, and never be able to guarantee that some rich bastards yacht isn't going to get storm surged 12 miles inland, and knock over your "secure" tower.

      Anyway, it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper to build a few mobile ones, if only because you'd only need a handful, and they could be anywhere. Otherwise, you'd have to put 'em up everywhere, because you'd never know in advance where you were going to need 'em.

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    5. Re:Ham's by azrider · · Score: 2, Informative
      Some insight on Amateur Radio from a 20-year licensee. Ham operators tend to specialize (mine is disaster management). While it is nice to wish for a cell tower wherever it is needed in an emergency, it is extremely impractical. By contrast, I and my other Emergency Coordinators can set up a world wide radio net with batteries (or solar). Google for "ARRL" and "Field Day" - we do this at least once a year, every year. Google for "NDMS" (National Disaster Medical System) - we are intimately involved in each biannual drill. Ask many of the national charities who sponsor walks, bike rides etc. - we provide radio communications for each. Note that all of the operators are not paid for their time or expertise - we do this in payment for the spectrum we have been provided under FCC rules, intended for experimentation and furtherance of the art. We, however, do not function as a kind of "chat room" - we in ARES and RACES (more google fodder) see what we do as a serious undertaking, one in which we spend thousands of $(your currency here) as a hobby. When the tsunami hit in the Phillipines, the first communications out was a team of ham operators who happened to be there testing long range communications. They stayed until relieved, relying on the equipment they had brought to tell the world what was happening (and pass on as many messages as they could). This was not a government (or NGO) funded operation, nor was it done with the availability of outside power. It was right place-right time. How can any government or company hope to be there with power and radio if the event is a suprise.
      Cell towers already have battery backup, and some have generator backup.
      This is true, but if the cell tower has no connection to the outside world, what good does this do?

      IIRC, phone companies also have mobile power units as well as mobile cell towers with generators.
      Again true, but they have to be able to connect to the PSTN in order for the CoW (Cell on Wheels) to function
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    6. Re:Ham's by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Woah.. I think you've posted one too low here. I support amateur radio. And hold a license. Though I haven't done much recently; too many other interests to remember to get join a RACES group before hurricane season hits..

      My main point was that there's no need for "emergency cell towers" when the existing infrastructure is already configured to work as such; the emergency towers would be just as likely as the existing network to go down, and would have far less coverage or redundancy anyway.

      I do however think of my local nets as more of an emergency-chat room. They handle some traffic, and certainly solve a few problems, but the EOC has their own radio links to the professional responders, and their own communications to out of area organizations that they usually* don't need the amateur that sits there for official business anymore. Of course, since the nets are going whether they need them or not, when they do need them they come in handy. No one actually chit-chats during the emergency, but they're kind of a vestige of a less-connected time.

      *unless the disaster is utterly disastrous

      Of course, my experience could be colored by living in a state where hurricanes happen often enough that the professionals are quite professional, train with the amateurs, and everyone almost secretly hope for a storm to test their skills. It could be different in states where the emergency plan is to wait until after the disaster hits, then wait a little more before calling for federal aid and finding some reason to blame racism.

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  4. Learn to love... by pigiron · · Score: 1

    Big Brother.

  5. Existence of government by darjen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Along with this explosion of information, I wonder how governments will be able to maintain their collective grips on society as a whole. Never before has access to anti-government information been so readily available. Maybe they will have to rely on ever more draconian measures to maintain the status quo - but I hope not.

    1. Re:Existence of government by chuckymonkey · · Score: 1

      Or they could try to be a little more honest...oh wait, nevermind.

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  6. Keep up? by Notquitecajun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You have to be current to keep up. Last I checked, we weren't current.

    A funny addendum; our military is - from a technology standpoint - the best in the world...and that technology mostly ranges from the early 70s until about 2002. The recently retired F-15, which was developed in the 70s and 80s, hardly had a match in the world and I believe was never shot down (at least by enemy aircraft)...and would still punch everything else out of the sky except other American aircraft and maybe a modern MIG with a really good pilot.

    1. Re:Keep up? by mikew03 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The F-15 has not been retired, but the F-22 will be slowly replacing it over the next decade or two. And you are correct, no F-15 has ever been lost to enemy action in its entire 30+ year service life.

    2. Re:Keep up? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      It would be an interesting show to see SU 30, SU 35, SU 37, MiG 29, MiG 31, MiG 33, MiG 35 as well as F15, F16, F18 and F22 in a joint excercise fighting each other, how about 'the last man standing' game? Who would win? Would it be the best pilot in any of the above aircrafts or would it be a good pilot in the best (which ever one that is) plane?

    3. Re:Keep up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because they haven't had to fight in a real war for the past 30 years.
      Byte Me

    4. Re:Keep up? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I can pretty much guarantee that the F-22 could splash every single plane, and then bomb the Kremlin for desert :)

    5. Re:Keep up? by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is generally true of big equipment. There aren't a whole lot of economies that can support development of a competitive fighter jet and then build it in quantity, along with all of the other support industries a project like that needs.

      For technologies that are closer to commodities the US military doesn't do so well. Currently they seem to be compensating by relaxing the rules on non-issue gear. When I was an active duty Marine (discharged in 1996) you could maybe get away with wearing non-issue clothing, a knife, small stuff like that. I remember my father being amazed when I asked him to send me sunglasses because had he been caught wearing a pair of civilian sunglasses (in the 60s) someone would have made him eat them. But I was recently in Afghanistan with a private defense contractor and I saw a US Army soldier with a TA01NSN sight on his rifle. When I asked him when they started issuing those he told me he ordered it from the states. Had I modified my rifle, even as recently as I was in, I'd have had my ass kicked up into a hat.

      Having worked for a couple of different private defense contractors I can tell you that getting miscellaneous stuff you need is a hell of a lot more streamlined than in the military. UPS next day is much faster than procurement.

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    6. Re:Keep up? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      The F-15 has not been retired.
      Many F-15s have had their radar updated as well as their engines. Not all mind you.
      The F-15 lost an exercise vs Indian Su-32s or some such version of the SU-27. Some would say that the it was stacked in the SUs favor but the F-15 still lost.
      Here is a news flash. The real reason the F-15 is still a good fighter is that the AIM-120 is a great missile.
      The AIM-120 isn't old tech...

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    7. Re:Keep up? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      But what if Chuck Norris was flying by in a Po-2?

    8. Re:Keep up? by still+cynical · · Score: 1

      That's because they haven't had to fight in a real war for the past 30 years.

      The Israelis (and the Arab MiG pilots they've shot down) would disagree with you.
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    9. Re:Keep up? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Back in the 80's, we sometimes had to go off base for parts for B-52's and KC-135's, to keep enough of them up and running. We'd have 5 planes on the ground, all waiting for the same damn hydraulic fitting. Pissed us off. Still, SAC food was the best. They were even better than Sizzler.

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    10. Re:Keep up? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      He'd have to think in Russian.

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    11. Re:Keep up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your right there. The F-15, if I can take a leaf out of the air force marketing booklet, is an air superiority fighter, not a regular fighter.

      That meant that it was new, shiny, and the best back whenever... but it rang true. The F-15 was never shot down because it was never taken on. As a fighter it was big, bulky, slow compared to some of its later competitors (no supercruise and 10 mins of afterburner dont go together well).

      It didnt really matter. It scared every other plane out of the sky, and the ones foolish enough to stay up there had to face its missiles. I really dont think it could out manoeuvre an SU-27 if it got in range, and Mig-29 is known to have been a fair match thanks to the East Germany's Air Force showing off a few. But it was always the missiles and the shear fear that gave the F-15 its advantage in the air. If the missiles were removed, I think the F-16 and the F-18 would be a whole lot better as fighters. The only unknown is the supposed durability of the F-15... 2 engines so one can explode, 2 tail fins so one can fall off.

      On the other hand, the F-15e is a whole lot better again then the old 70's F-15. More fuel, more missile, bigger engines, more composite materials, better radar... even 2 pilots so one can take a nap or whatever and the plane still flies home. But thats all modern equipment, a complete overhaul. The original design proved its adaptability though.

    12. Re:Keep up? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Actually even that isn't accurate. The F-15 even with the Sparrow AIM-7 did very well. Frankly the AIM-7 sucked compared to the AIM-120 that replaces it. Yes in a turning fight it would have a hard time with an F-16, Mig-29, or and SU-27. However if you compare it to a Mirage F1, Mig 21, or Mig-23 then even in a turning battle it would do very well. Even in an F-16 vs F-15 dogfight it would depend on the skill of the pilot.

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    13. Re:Keep up? by cornjones · · Score: 1

      No, russian would realign it self to think in chuck norris.

  7. Accountability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Technology requires new levels of accountability from government. The words that every politician dreads to hear... Open Government.

    It's no longer acceptable or possible to hide inconvenient facts and delete damning emails. And the same Big Brother surveillance machine that governments are so enthusiastically creating is going to be watching them too. We will know when they meet in smokey backroom dealings, when they visit their prostitutes, who *exactly* issued an order that resulted in the deaths of innocents.

    Hopefully the burden of responsibility it puts on the shoulders of elected representatives will be so high that it weeds out those who are mere power hungry psychopaths.

    1. Re:Accountability by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Hopefully the burden of responsibility it puts on the shoulders of elected representatives will be so high that it weeds out those who are mere power hungry psychopaths.
      More likely, it weeds out those who are not power hungry psychopaths.

      Altruists will realize that their energy is better spent elsewhere for greater utility.
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  8. By banning it by myowntrueself · · Score: 0, Troll

    Its what governments do with things they don't like, such as free (ie 'hate') speech, competitors against their favorite lobbyists (eg marijuana) to name but a few.

    Expect huge bans on 'dangerous' technologies such as reading and writing or drawing pictures; these can all be used for 'hate' (or other emotive) speech or depictions of 'child abuse'.

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    1. Re:By banning it by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Hate speech has never been banned in the US. It may be banned in the REST of the world, but Americans still have that particular right. As to the rest....does being a melodramatic paranoid-delusional headcase give you a woody or something?

    2. Re:By banning it by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      does being a melodramatic paranoid-delusional headcase give you a woody or something?

      Get with the times; it gives me an etch.

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    3. Re:By banning it by snooz_crash · · Score: 1

      Government loves tech. They won't ban it. The usages in emerging technologies are being either being used or tested to enhance government agencies. Whether it is the latest in RFID or Data Warehousing, tech will be used in conjunction with Homeland Security and the like agencies. The US Government is at the beginning of consolidating databases and due to the size of our country, we will deploy after Europe with a likely application of a citizen/nsa/immigration/irs linked to local police db. The difficulty will be responsibly administrating the data mining capabilities and then the expenditures for keeping ahead obsolescence across the board. But this is coming. The question is will they ban the freedom of information act?

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  9. With the usual tools: by ettlz · · Score: 1

    A large dollop of FUD and an iron fist.

    1. Re:With the usual tools: by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      And the other usual tool: denial.

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  10. It's a series of tubes, it's not a truck! by pickapeppa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well in the US, it would be helpful to have legislators at least somewhat familiar with the underlying technology of the things they are legislating. That may not happen until some younger blood gets elected. Old men in suits may have plenty of gravitas, but have their assistants print off their e-mails every day. It's another example of what gets you elected is often at odds with what is required to govern.

  11. How governments keep up by j0e_average · · Score: 1

    1. Regulate

    2. Tax

    3. Sell licenses to our corporate masters.

    1. Re:How governments keep up by snoyberg · · Score: 1

      1. Regulate

      2. Tax

      3. Sell licenses to our corporate masters. 4. Profit!
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  12. Everything not prohibited... by pla · · Score: 1

    How Will Governments Keep Up With Technology?

    The same way they always have - They'll ban it.

    ...Right up until they figure out how to exploit it to either spy on us or extract tax dollars from us, at which point it becomes compulsory.

    What a silly question!

    1. Re:Everything not prohibited... by madsheep · · Score: 1

      What an ignorant post. Why don't you familiarize yourself with NIST. Yea they'll just ban it like they always have. Oh wait they continually are on the leading edge of publishing standards and key guidance for the government and for general public consumption and use.

    2. Re:Everything not prohibited... by pla · · Score: 1

      What an ignorant post.

      What a humorless shill.



      And FYI, the FP says "GovernmentS", not "The US Government". Why don't you familiarize yourself which which "N" NIST stands for.

    3. Re:Everything not prohibited... by madsheep · · Score: 1

      Hey I actually owe you and apology and I'm gonna go ahead and write it instead of just not responding. I had read three posts before yours specifically referring to the U.S. and didn't notice you were answering to the overall "plural" governments. So just to let you know.. I apologize.. if you happen to read this. Thanks. :D

    4. Re:Everything not prohibited... by pla · · Score: 1

      So just to let you know.. I apologize.. if you happen to read this. Thanks.

      Accepted, with admiration for your humility.

  13. It can't. by Baba+Ram+Dass · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Government can hardly deliver my mail intact (USPS), competently educate my children (public schools), take care of my grandparent's health (Medicare), or ensure my retirement (the ridiculous failure that is Social Security).

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    1. Re:It can't. by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      Other countries seem to have very good postal services, education systems, medical care and retirement systems, as well as functional public transportation and high speed rail.

      Maybe it's just that Americans suck at governing.

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    2. Re:It can't. by ThEATrE · · Score: 0

      How is social security a ridiculous failure, exactly?

      In an effort to privatize social security, there is a propaganda campaign to make people think public social security is a major failure in of privatization.

    3. Re:It can't. by treeves · · Score: 1
      How many countries have you lived in for comparison? I'm sure it's a very nice place, but Iceland doesn't count, in case your URL means what I think it means.

      What is the population of Iceland? Less than population of the Portland,OR metro area, where I live.

      How diverse is the population of Iceland? For example, 82.1% of the population are members of the National Church of Iceland.

      Maybe you're thinking of another country. Please do tell.

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    4. Re:It can't. by Nephilium · · Score: 1

      Social Security is a ridiculous failure in that it's a giant Ponzi scheme... the money that is collected from the current people working goes to pay the people who have retired (or orphaned/injured) and are collecting the money. This worked fine when the system first started off... with (from memory) about 7 workers per person collecting... it will not work so fine when the Baby Boomers start retiring... when the ratio goes to (again from memory) about 2 workers per person collecting.

      I know that at my age (30), I have zero expectation that there will be any Social Security paychecks coming to me, and the money that I've been forced to pay into it is a lost investment.

      I'm always intrigued about government agencies that set up things that would be illegal for any private person/corporation to do.

      Nephilium

    5. Re:It can't. by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      I'm amazed a slashdotter missed a Brave New World reference...

      Other countries, let's see... Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Switzerland, Spain, and Japan. Or basically the rest of the developed world.

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    6. Re:It can't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every one of those countries is also facing the same collapse of the social safety nets as the US, and by the same means. Too many people collecting not enough contributing. The difference is that it's more embedded in the European culture than it is in the American and it is being downplayed as a non-problem because it is working today.

  14. Stop!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are only giving them more reason to raise taxes :)

    Perhaps they could do an opt-in. Those that want it, pay for it and accept the risk that a data breach may occur.

  15. Right answer by alienmole · · Score: 1

    Government is always behind with technology (with one exception, below). When government catches up with technology that everyone else is using, they do it badly and it costs far too much.

    The one exception is that sometimes, governments will try a new technological approach before anyone else has tried it. In those cases, the approach being tried is always a bad idea.

    There's no solution, although strict regulations on government use of technology might be a good idea. I'd suggest taxes, but that doesn't make any sense...

    1. Re:Right answer by samkass · · Score: 1

      It's ironic that your opinion is being read over the Internet.

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    2. Re:Right answer by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 1

      It's ironic that your opinion is being read over the Internet.

      Don't worry, that'll be fixed soon enough.

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    3. Re:Right answer by alienmole · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Arpanet succeeded because of the involvement of universities, which most government technology projects don't have the benefit of. Perhaps I should have mentioned that option as a possible fix: governments and universities collaborating on multi-hundred-million-dollar technology projects, what could go wrong?

    4. Re:Right answer by Deskpoet · · Score: 1

      Government is always behind with technology (with one exception, below). When government catches up with technology that everyone else is using, they do it badly and it costs far too much.

      Someone already noted the irony of this statement, so I'll move on to the idea behind why this view misses the point. Simply, all tech you have in your hands RIGHT NOW is of government origin (at some point. Even cutlery was a product of Richelieu.) Google for "military Keynesianism" to get just a taste of why that is--and the very real consequences behind it.

      Governments--and all their derivatives, including corporations, NGOs, etc.--are built on concepts of control that favor those within their ranks at the expense of others (usually outside of those ranks, but not necessarily.) This is not to say these organizations are "evil" or that they cannot, often in spite of themselves, do "good"; that, again, is mistaking the map for the territory. Hierarchal organizations are about contol and privilege for those running them, and exposure and risk for those following them: "the devil take the hindmost" is, today, particularly appropriate for those furthest from the centers of power because the mechanisms of power are so ubiquitous and centralized.

      People hold Katrina up as an example of Dubya's incompetence without acknowledging their own active participation in the mechanisms of power that allow him--and the Clintons, the Kennedy's, etc. etc. ad nauseum--to continue their marginalization of those they "serve". People like to point the finger at the "cause" or command chain responsible for disasters such as Katrina or Iraq, but they generally blanche when it comes to owning their piece of that structure and actually doing something about it.

      Really, that's what /. is for: to make armchair activism or philosophical sophistry pass for a functional, creative, responsible, ACTIVE citizenry.

      So, ultimately, the answer to the question of "governments keeping up with technology" is: Whatever. Perhaps if the question was:

      how can we use technology to dissolve all nation states into localized tribal collectives?

      it might be meaningful. But I imagine there are more than a few that think THAT question is stupid, too.

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      "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."--Tacitus, The Histories
    5. Re:Right answer by alienmole · · Score: 1

      I dealt with the alleged irony issue in another response. It doesn't affect my point.

      Your definition of government is far broader than the one I was using, so what you're saying and what I'm saying aren't entirely at odds. I'm simply referring to what government departments themselves tend to do with technology, internally. Take a look at software projects at, to pick three nice juicy examples, the FBI, the IRS, and the FAA. If you don't already know, the software systems that have been developed in those agencies over the past decade or so together represent a multi-billion dollar catastrophe. That was the kind of thing I was referring to, in deliberately absolute and general terms to make a point, which is that it is far more likely that such projects will result in failure when they are commissioned and managed by goverments alone.

      As to your broad view of what "government" means, you need to be careful of losing useful distinctions. Governments and corporations are two distinct things, for example, even if mutually dependent. "All tech" is certainly not of government origin by any useful definition of "government" that I can think of, for example.

    6. Re:Right answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > > It's ironic that your opinion is being read over the Internet.
      >
      >Don't worry, that'll be fixed soon enough.

      No, NSA will always be able to read opinions transmitted over the Internet.

    7. Re:Right answer by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 1

      Uhm... I didn't mean that the government at some point wouldn't be able to read my opinion... I meant that at some point I wouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.

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  16. Very Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    fatduck@gmail.com

    1. Re:Very Easy by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "and how will the refugees of the next Katrina be able to access their electronic medical records? "

      Hell, why not worry how the CURRENT victims of Katrina will access their medical records. I pretty much have none. Not a problem in my case, but, those that needed meds and all still have a hell of a time...

      I think it will be interesting in the next catastrophy, to see what the US's reaction will be...especially if it is in another part of the US. If the next big hurricane hits NYC (which IS overdue for a major storm), or San Fran. gets creamed by an earthquake...will the gov response be any better? Will any of the money pledged actually get to the state? Very little of it has actually made it to LA even yet. And what little has, is held up by the state having to deal with the severe red tape attached to the funds by the Feds.

      A recent report on the radio here said that out of about $840M donated by foreign countries to help the victims of Katrina...only about $40M of it was sent to the gulf south region. The rest...was funneled to other govt. programs or lost I guess.

      I think it will be interesting to see if the next city that gets f*cked by mother nature, gets the same sub-par treatment from the govt as NOLA did. 2 years past and the neighborhoods that were decimated, not by a hurricane, but, by the US govt.'s levee system's failure due to poor worksmanship, poor engineering and it appears now, downright criminal negligance.....they still look like a bomb went off, and we hear daily the the Corps of Engineers is still cutting corners and fscking up the rebuild of the pumps and levees.

      Ok...*sigh* [/soapbox mode]

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    2. Re:Very Easy by paeanblack · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it will be interesting to see if the next city that gets f*cked by mother nature, gets the same sub-par treatment from the govt as NOLA did. 2 years past and the neighborhoods that were decimated, not by a hurricane, but, by the US govt.'s levee system's failure due to poor worksmanship, poor engineering and it appears now, downright criminal negligance.....they still look like a bomb went off, and we hear daily the the Corps of Engineers is still cutting corners and fscking up the rebuild of the pumps and levees.

      What about the Louisiana Corp of Engineers? What about the New Orleans Corp of Engineers? Doesn't a city get to a point where they realize after decades of inattention to those levees from the Feds, they have to step up to bat and deal with local problems on a local scale? Every big city has unique problems, and sitting and waiting for the cavalry to arrive after the fact isn't the most efficient way of actually getting things accomplished. ...end rant

    3. Re:Very Easy by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "What about the Louisiana Corp of Engineers? What about the New Orleans Corp of Engineers?"

      Interesting idea. I honestly have no idea if they exist. If they do...well, the area is hurting so badly for resources right now...we can't afford to pay for it by local means.

      We have gotten some wins in congress, which will finally get us some long term money by finally getting more $$ for oil leases offshore, but, that won't start coming in for a few years (I hope to God it goes to coastal restoration, the first line of defense against a hurricane).

      Right now...about the only hope IS the feds unfortunately and they often seem to either be outright lying, or completely incompetant.

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    4. Re:Very Easy by kabocox · · Score: 3, Funny

      A recent report on the radio here said that out of about $840M donated by foreign countries to help the victims of Katrina...only about $40M of it was sent to the gulf south region. The rest...was funneled to other govt. programs or lost I guess.

      So does that mean the US is now offically a third world country where foreign aid is channeled from aid to poor people/refugees to those with government connections to their overpriced pet projects?

    5. Re:Very Easy by FranklinDelanoBluth · · Score: 1

      What about the Louisiana Corp of Engineers? What about the New Orleans Corp of Engineers? Doesn't a city get to a point where they realize after decades of inattention to those levees from the Feds, they have to step up to bat and deal with local problems on a local scale? Every big city has unique problems, and sitting and waiting for the cavalry to arrive after the fact isn't the most efficient way of actually getting things accomplished. ...end rant

      With what money did you expect New Orleans to do that? All of their money comes from tourism (notice, that's all back up and running). How were all of the poor lower classes (who are still out of their homes) supposed to champion such a measure?

    6. Re:Very Easy by TFloore · · Score: 1

      We have gotten some wins in congress, which will finally get us some long term money by finally getting more $$ for oil leases offshore, but, that won't start coming in for a few years (I hope to God it goes to coastal restoration, the first line of defense against a hurricane).

      Bzzt. Sorry, thanks for playing.

      A couple posts up you talked about the levies, which are still being screwed up by the Corps of Engineers, and which you want rebuilt.

      Sorry, but you can either pick rebuilt levies, or coastal restoration.

      The two are mutually exclusive.

      Pick either one, but not both.

      That's a major part of this problem.

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    7. Re:Very Easy by will_die · · Score: 1

      hurricane hits NYC (which IS overdue for a major storm), or San Fran. gets creamed by an earthquake...will the gov response be any better
      Yes because the local governments are prepared to handle what they are suppose to.
      During all the time that the New Orleans and state government were complaining how things went wrong and they did not know what to do, other states disaster organizers were tring to get as much air time to show off thier places and procedures as is thier responsibility.

    8. Re:Very Easy by asninn · · Score: 1

      In a word: yes.

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    9. Re:Very Easy by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      No, it requires a two pronged attack for protection.

      The coast line has erroded in large part to the channels cut into it for oil and gas pipelines, required to bring in a very large percentage of the energy needs for the entire country...our small sacrifice for the nation. These need to be rebuilt as the first line of defense.

      The levee system needs to be rebuilt, and rebuilt correctly this time...2nd line of defense.

      Many people forget why this is an important city...its location at the mouth of the MS river. All that farming from the middle of the US, needs to come through us to go out to sea for export. Did you notice that 'bump' in gas prices post Katrina and Rita? Yep...a large chunk of your energy needs comes through/from this area....not only pumped and shipped from overseas through us, but, also refined nearby. I don't hear a lot of people rooting for new refineries to be built in their neighborhoods, do you?

      So, yes...if for nothing else but selfish interests, the US should help us out all they can....that doesn't even take into consideration the culture from the area, and the fact that it is one of the oldest cities in the US...much older than the country itself.

      If NYC gets hit with a Katrina...are you wanting to write them off so quickly?

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    10. Re:Very Easy by TFloore · · Score: 1

      I'd like to say first that I live right down the coast from you in the Florida Panhandle. I'm at least vaguely familiar with Gulf oil extraction, and "local" refineries, though they are in Louisiana and Texas, and not in Florida. And I had a tornado spawned from a hurricane go about 5 miles from my house a few years ago, which is as close as I want to get to direct interaction with a hurricane. A co-worker had that tornado go through his back yard. Eek.

      Pretending that gives me some right to comment here, I'll continue while ignoring the fact that I am not in any way trained in coastal ecology, mitigation, or restoration. :)

      From what I've seen and read on the subject, the coast line that has eroded has done so in large part because of the levies and the canals/channels. The levies prevent the Mississippi from washing over its banks every year, and spreading mud and other vegetable crap all over the coastal swamp area. This feeds the swamps, and keeps things healthy. It also puts a fresh layer of soil on top of things, to make up for the fact that the entire southern half of the state is sinking. (That's an exaggeration, but not much of one, I think.)

      The channels/canals cut into the swamp for easier shipping/pipeline access are another problem. They let seawater directly into the deeper areas of the swamps, and that kills trees and other plants that are not able to handle the salt concentrations. Dead swamp does not block or absorb hurricane storm surge.

      Coastal erosion is just a fact of life, but it is made worse by preventing the Mississippi from flooding and depositing new soil. I'm also upset about preventing the Mississippi from flooding its banks because that means that it drops all that crap into the Gulf, and not into the swamp. This makes for some seriously large algae blooms that consume all the oxygen in the "local" Gulf waters, and makes a seasonal dead zone in the Gulf. (This is also partly the fault of corn-belt farmers that dump too much fertilizer on their farmland.) I like fish, and I like scuba diving... so I don't like dead zones out there.

      I'm aware of the economic impact that New Orleans has on the country. It is a major shipping point for a lot of US midsection farming and manufacturing. It is a major receiving point for foreign oil.

      I'm aware New Orleans is a very old city. I just visited St Augustine recently, the nation's oldest city, and a really nice tourist trap in Florida. I appreciate history.

      However, New Orleans is BELOW SEA LEVEL. It should not be a major population center. It should especially not be a major population center with the level of corruption and mismanagement that it has.

      You do have a very valid point with the NIMBY problem with refineries. The country has the same problem with building electrical power generation plants.

      But I'm still not seeing how moving almost a million people back there is a really good idea.

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    11. Re:Very Easy by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "However, New Orleans is BELOW SEA LEVEL. It should not be a major population center"

      Funny...Amsterdam is much further below sea level than NOLA...and they have done a fantastic job protecting it from a 1000 yr storm situation.

      We have much greater funds available in the US, why can't we do this for NOLA?

      Yeah..the corruption sucks, but I must say...one good thing is it looks like Katrina has 'flushed' some of that sh*t outta here...and started us on the road to getting rid of the rest that is still clinging on...there is progress being made there from what I can see....but, still a long way to go.

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  17. I can tell you how by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    and my consultancy fee is quite competitive
    techies are like lawyers, basic advice is free but consultancy cost$

  18. please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Please, PLEASE stop using the word "Homeland" - I'm not a Nazi or a Stalinist, and I can't stand members of Government or just fellow citizens talking like same - with the Mother/Father/Home-land bullshit.

    'Domestic' is a perfectly adequate adjective for describing things within the national boundaries of the United States. We're a young republic comprised of successive waves of immigrants - jingoistic vocab attached to the dirt, of all things, has no place here . . .

    -Nate

    1. Re:please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by Nimey · · Score: 1

      The Corps is Rodina, the Corps is Deutschland.

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    2. Re:please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by Knara · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed. The whole 'Homeland' thing is really unnerving. From my viewpoint, the last thing this country needs is more nationalistic fervor. We already have too much of it being relabeled as "patriotism" (though that's been going on for a couple of centuries, but still).

    3. Re:please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      That's so ignorant, it's downright funny. I can't think of a single country in the world which hates itself as much as America seems to hate itself.

    4. Re:please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by chord.wav · · Score: 1

      Yeah! Let's call it Freedomland or land of the free! That way we won't get mistaken by those stinky nazis while, at the same time, we'll deliver our message to the other oppressing countries: We will not tolerate any kind of intolerance and we will fight for peace anywhere!

    5. Re:please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by FranklinDelanoBluth · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone else has pointed this out, but "domestic" just comes from the Latin "domus" for "home." The word "domestic" basically means "of the home."

      I think your problems may not be with the actual words themselves, but more with the connotations they have taken on in the past century.

    6. Re:please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by Knara · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why not having "American" as an essential part of your self-identity is a requirement. What's the point of liking your country, anyway? Your government is a necessary evil, and your countrymen are not your family. A country should not be like a social club or an extended family, it is a structure of convenience and utilitarian necessity. Taking so much pride in mostly arbitrary national borders gets you all sorts of great things... like for example, world wars!

    7. Re:please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Ironically, it is the countries which have the least to be patriotic about, that are the most patriotic. Take North Koreans for example. They're starving, have a medical system right out of the dark ages, and are oppressed worse than any other people in the world. Yet they're downright fanatical about their patriotism, and treat Kim Jong Il like a God. THAT sort of patriotism gets your world wars. The American kind tends to stop them.

    8. Re:please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by Knara · · Score: 1

      Name me the last time direct usage of American patriotism stopped a war.

    9. Re:please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Korea. Or, if you don't like that example, WW2.

  19. Laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government is worried about new responsibilities? Bah. Hahaha. What a load of bull. Anyone with a little knowledge of history knows that the government is always looking for more responsibilities to claim so that they can control more lives and take more money. Worried? More like anxious with anticipation and glee.

  20. Business as usual by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    For the governments this Internet thing is nothing out of ordinary, just another level of complete misunderstanding and incompetence, just another level of bureaucracy to feed from. More meaningless and costly rules and regulations will be established, more red-tape will be created, the only difference is that in this case some governments may start working together, since the Internet knows no borders, which means the rules will have to be equalized for all countries (mostly,) to allow for equal punishment for going around the red tape.

  21. The law doesn't allow it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Governments can't keep up. You see, the lowest common denominator works for Governments. They have all these hiring rules that have NOTHING to do with doing a good job.

    Yes, I once worked in Government. I watched politically connected people get promoted (no race discrimination here!), black people get promoted to token positions, competent folks (of all races) get screwed over because the "law" doesn't say they can give good customer service. That's right,ask for some rational, good, humane treatment form government, and there's some legislation that says they can't give it!

  22. Legislation by JustLikeToSay · · Score: 0

    Government only works as quickly as it can legislate ie not very and don't forget they've got to find the time to fit in a debate about their greater-than-inflation pay increses. Part of the rationale for Governments and their associated parliaments (where they existed) was the time it would take to consult the key people was too great, much better to have the key people (or their representatives) gathered together. Well, now they can consult readily with the help of modern comms. However the downside is that it's not just key people who have access to such comms, is scum like me too. So then, that's the challenge for Governments - use modern technology but in a way that only responsible, sensible people get to have a say. Don't go yet Tony!

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  23. Re: technical standards by neutrino38 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MMmm vast topic.

    In the '90 governements were heavily involved in IT standardization though national comitees like ISO and so on. A big chunk of this disapeared although some standard comitees made significant contributions (ATM Forum, GSM by ETSI, ...).

    I agree with the author : we do need technical standards. But my own experience tend to make that standard making should be left to these tech commitees and I believe that a good government cannot lead but should keep looking into these matter with a certain conservatism, sane skepticism and an high level view and stick to the general guidelines like:

    - are the various systems compatible with each other
    - is the privacy properly protected
    - are the performances and market price acceptables in regards with the service offered
    - is the information accessible and storable.

    and also:

    - look at format issue only if it is in General public interest
    - look at network protocol only for lower level layers

    Then only when a stabdard is pretty stable, proven and sufficiently implemented can a goverment endorse it.

    To me, the interoperability issue is really key and any governement should take action to make sure the industry take the necessary action to avoid standard fragmentation when the market is mature enough (not in the early stage). Namely bitching MS because its technology is not open enough is ridiculous. It would be far more interesting to force MS to support existing stable standards (MPEG4, HTML/CSS, ODF, ...).

    Properly meaning that those format and protocol should be used as easily as their proprieatary counterparts.

    -

  24. FTC Blocks Google from DoubleClick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  25. Bootstrapping slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Governments are beginning to realize that perhaps the Internet really has changed everything, at least for them, and that they are going to have to deal with new responsibilities in this area. "

    Well it's changed slashdot too. The comments are more insightful and interesting. The discussions go into greater depth with greater accuracy and more links to original sources. The spelling and grammer is top-notch, and the math adds up. If the internet can work this kind of miracle with us, just think of what it will do to the government?

  26. This is funny. by CherniyVolk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Governments catching up with technology? Seriously, there's a lot of people who believe technology only originates or is engineered in someones garage, in the openness of acadamia, universities and research labs of major corporations.

    First, Research and Development is akin to flushing money down the toilet; because it's not like an assembly line where you can accurately project shipped product at the end of the day. With Research and Development, you can go for decades and still have NOTHING. Keep this in mind, because the reality is, even Microsoft can't even afford a sustained and honest Research and Development lab. The ONLY people that have the TECHNOLOGY, AUTHORITY and WEALTH to handle such research is the GOVERNMENT. IF a company, university or individual presents something from research, 99.9% of the time that person was heavily funded by a GOVERNMENT entity; via contract or most commonly a federal grant.

    Governments DO have all the technology. Without fueling the conspiracy theorist, yes, governments tend to have applied technology or even awareness of algorithms, methods, theories even before acadamia has such benefit; tons of cryptography, physics and organic chemistry for example.

    MOST if not ALL technology is developed with ONE interest in mind. Military, and if it can give us an advantage. Ironically, this always boils down to a more efficient way of killing another man. We don't like this part of life, but military often does have fun with technology long before anyone else.

    I'm sorry if I'm getting a little over-zealous. It just kills me knowing that there are many people who think the government is the bane of technology while corporations are were it all comes from. Minus federal funding or incentive, corporations ever since the East Indian Trading Company probably can soley account to ONE invention... and we can probably think real hard for that and probably debate this invention... stocks. That's IT! A socio-path CEO to some Company didn't voluntarily give his entire fortune for the sake of good-will and to fund research in making adhesives, anethetics, plastic, space travel, computers, guns, aspirin, paper, jet engines... or even a damn fiber glass fishing pole!

    Companies wait for the government to de-classify technology, and shift through it looking for something that they feel they can market to the general public. Who do you think was behind developing the optical mouse... or, more specifically, who do you think has been behind 100% of all LASER research and application?

    1. Re:This is funny. by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously, there's a lot of people who believe technology only originates or is engineered in someones garage

      That's because it is. Apple. HP. Yahoo. Google. I could go on all day here, but the idea that the government is the source of most new products is an insultingly stupid idea.

      Even if it were anywhere close to the end-all be-all that you describe, it's an absolutely abysmal return on [forced] investment. Imagine what kind of cool stuff we'd have today if I could [voluntarily] help fund more research by the Apples and Googles of the world by giving them more of my money not spent on taxes.

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    2. Re:This is funny. by dkf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Keep this in mind, because the reality is, even Microsoft can't even afford a sustained and honest Research and Development lab.
      But the reality is you're wrong. Firstly, MS do keep a highly regarded research lab, and they'd not be highly regarded if they weren't sustained and honest. Secondly, there are much bigger companies than MS who also have excellent research labs. Sure it's true that such labs are often involved in research projects funded by governments (everyone always loves external funding, wherever you are) but their main work is in doing things to support their owner, which is as it should be. But the largest fraction of this is actually Development, which means the part of the process where they take the outcome of the Research (a neat theory or cool effect) and convert it into a product that can support part of the business model of the rest of the corporation (possibly by being sold on to someone else).
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    3. Re:This is funny. by FranklinDelanoBluth · · Score: 1

      Governments DO have all the technology. Without fueling the conspiracy theorist, yes, governments tend to have applied technology or even awareness of algorithms, methods, theories even before acadamia has such benefit; tons of cryptography, physics and organic chemistry for example.

      MOST if not ALL technology is developed with ONE interest in mind. Military, and if it can give us an advantage. Ironically, this always boils down to a more efficient way of killing another man. We don't like this part of life, but military often does have fun with technology long before anyone else.

      That is kinda the point. Our government puts so much R&D and money into spy games and the wermacht, that handling mundane tasks such as digitizing our civil records and responding to domestic emergencies have fallen by the wayside. I'd be very interested to compare salaries of IT types at the NSA/DOD/Defense Contractors and someone working for any of the other non-defense-related government branches. My guess is that salaries for the first are much higher (I already know that the budget allocations are...), and that they tend to attract the better talent.

      There are many other areas that the government could lead the way in technological advances. They don't all have to be about how to kill each other faster/better...

  27. Cell Towers NOT EQUAL Cellular Network by Mariner28 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Cell towers are just the tip of the iceberg. If the central switching infrastructure is down, your cell towers are just boat anchors. Or if the infrastructure is overwhelmed with traffic. Or if your cell towers batteries run down. Or your cell towers' emergency generators which charge the batteries run out of fuel.

    When all else fails, amateur radio still works. Yeah, it's slow when running data (like Winlink e-mail). But power requirements are low. And there's no infrastructure to rely on - unless the attacking aliens ionize the atmosphere to such a degree that even radio won't work!

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    1. Re:Cell Towers NOT EQUAL Cellular Network by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 0

      Well, I would consider the radios and operators infrastructure - they have to come in from somewhere and be on the ground in order to be useful (well, someone does, obviously relays help out too). I was thinking more of a mobile situation - having mobile cell towers that bring in power and network coverage and cover a certain area, and operate independent of the regular network. I believe this kind of thing was used after the last big Florida hurricane, but I might be making it up.

    2. Re:Cell Towers NOT EQUAL Cellular Network by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      Are you somehow under the impression that a cell tower and supporting equipment isn't connected to the landline network?

      A cell tower is not an isolated telephone switch. It cannot route calls between cell phones by itself. It certainly does not communicate with nearby towers in any fashion other than its ATM connection. Yes, that is a big, rather fragile fiberoptic cable.

      The telephone network works because there is so damn much of it. Evidently whole parts of it that you aren't familiar with. Quite a lot of it the average Joe doesn't see much of.

    3. Re:Cell Towers NOT EQUAL Cellular Network by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Again, I'm not talking about just rolling up a truck and making long distance calls to grandma. I'm talking about having a truck that establishes a mobile cell tower and then connects those calls back through a major network through other means - basically a cell to radio repeater. This would at least let people stuck on a roof somewhere make a 911 call. A quick google search tells me this tech exists, so maybe there's parts of things out there you're not familiar with either.

    4. Re:Cell Towers NOT EQUAL Cellular Network by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 1

      What about a couple of satellites with 2-way data getups?

      Look at Hughesnet; that works everywhere in North America. Stick a few satellite dishes on vans/boats and a mobile setup in a few emergency response planes, and you can drop in communication anywhere you want in the U.S.

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    5. Re:Cell Towers NOT EQUAL Cellular Network by magarity · · Score: 1

      unless the attacking aliens ionize the atmosphere to such a degree that even radio won't work!
       
      Then we'd be forced to rely on amateur smoke signals. Talk about low bandwidth...

    6. Re:Cell Towers NOT EQUAL Cellular Network by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      How about building basic P2P texting into cell phones. That way, messages to be passed phone-to-phone even if a central switch goes down. Keeping at the text level would reduce message packet size, too.

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  28. the national archives by DrData99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While it is very easy to take cheap shots at what the government can and can't do, the National Archives and Records Administration (http://www.archives.gov/) is taking a very proactive approach towards dealing with the long-term electronic records problem. NARA employs some of the most dedicated and highly trained archivists in the country, and this is one area where the government will probably lead.

  29. Ah.. disappointing.. by Maekrix · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I clicked the link I thought it said "Wii Government". I got excited and thought Nintendo bought a country... :-/

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    1. Re:Ah.. disappointing.. by zolaar · · Score: 1

      Nintendo bought a country

      I can see the marketing now...

      Now you're playing with power...Superpower! ...No, seriously. Hands where we can see them -- we're invading. <div class="RegimeChange">...
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  30. Refugees?! by buckeye8 · · Score: 1

    Why do people keep referring to the residents of New Orleans "Refugees"? These people lost their home because of a combination natural disaster and engineering mishaps. They were NOT escaping political persecution or political oppression.

    Please get this right. They are Americans in need of disaster response assistance, NOT refuge.

    1. Re:Refugees?! by Zcar · · Score: 1

      You're correct based on the definition of refugee, at least in international law. Under common English usage, however, "refugee" is a perfectly acceptable term for the New Orleans refugees. As I recall, the correct legal category is "Internally Displaced People" since they've not (in general) left the US.

  31. Re:This isn't funny. by sane? · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Boy are you ever wrong. Military systems are often decades behind commercial products. The complexity of getting anything from government labs to fielded systems is so poor that its a wonder you ever see any output. The reason you see new concepts moving from government labs to commercial exploitation is because that's easier than military exploitation.

    The funding of short term research by commercial interests is many times that of the military domain. What used to be better was long term research, but that has essentially been killed off to fund the wars we've been having. Don't hold your breath for much of the long term nature coming out of government funding in future.

  32. Why is government the answer? by k1e0x · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Governments are beginning to realize that perhaps the Internet really has changed everything, at least for them, and that they are going to have to deal with new responsibilities in this area. How will they deal with financial and medical data breaches? What can they do to ensure that first responders will be able to communicate the next time that terrorists strike in the Homeland, and how will the refugees of the next Katrina be able to access their electronic medical records? And what must governments do to ensure that public records will be available in fifty years, if they no longer maintain paper archives? Whether government should incline towards leading, following or simply getting out of the way is a matter upon which there are likely to be strongly held differences of opinion. It's also likely, though, that government will not have the luxury of opting for the third choice in some of the areas just mentioned. How well government chooses among those roles, and how well it executes when it chooses to lead, will likely have a profound impact on our lives in the years ahead." Why is government always the answer to any problem anymore? The internet is much like the printing press.. are we to controll what people are able to read too?

    I say internet regulation is not governments job.
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  33. The Death of Belief in Public Institutions by weston · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Government can hardly deliver my mail intact (USPS), competently educate my children (public schools), take care of my grandparent's health (Medicare), ensure my retirement (the ridiculous failure that is Social Security).

    I'm as down as the next guy about the state of health care coverage in the U.S., the problems both public and private pension systems are facing, and I probably have a better understanding than most about the problems of education having actually been in the classroom as a teacher. Every one of these institutions could use significant improvement.

    But first off -- c'mon, USPS? How often *does* the gubmint lose or mangle your mail? I've had more negative encounters on that front with the private shippers (UPS and FedEx, I'm looking at you), and the number of things I've sent or received by US Mail is orders of magnitude larger.

    And second of all, I think the standard "Government Can't Do Nothin' Right" rant is actually one of the most dangerous ideas floating around our society today. It is, plain and simple, completely corrosive to the ability to build effective public institutions. Somehow, we the people have gotten to the point where we *accept* the argument that it's OK for the Feds to turn in a D- performance when it comes to disaster relief -- because hey, government's never effective, so it's never their job. And we readily elect people who loudly vocalize the idea that there's no such thing as an effective public solution.

    Why are we surprised that we don't have them? We're hiring vegetarian butchers to package and deliver the meat, folks.

    You don't have to accept the idea that public institutions are the answer to everything. Markets are great tools, if you understand them rather than treating them as a panacea. Private non-profits can do a significant amount of good. Churches do too. And in general, healthy social communities just make everything better.

    But everything in its place. Sometimes the right tool for the job is, in fact, a public institution. Sometimes, if you actually want to stablish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty, what you're looking for is a government.

    We need to stop assuming government can't do anything. We need to start asking how it can do better -- what can make public institutions run effectively.

    1. Re:The Death of Belief in Public Institutions by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      Where are my modpoints when I need them? +1 Insightful.

    2. Re:The Death of Belief in Public Institutions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      [Posted anonymously because I don't have my password at the moment.]

      And second of all, I think the standard "Government Can't Do Nothin' Right" rant is actually one of the most dangerous ideas floating around our society today. It is, plain and simple, completely corrosive to the ability to build effective public institutions.

      Your argument presupposes that such a thing is, in fact, possible; otherwise there is nothing to corrode.

      Somehow, we the people have gotten to the point where we *accept* the argument that it's OK for the Feds to turn in a D- performance when it comes to disaster relief -- because hey, government's never effective, so it's never their job.

      You seriously overestimate the prevalence of libertarian ideals among Americans. And I don't know anyone who argues that because government is never effective, we should just accept ineffective government. I do know a few who argue that because government is only ever effective by coincidence, it shouldn't be doing many of the things it is trying to do in the first place. But again, this view is a tiny minority in American public opinion.

      And we readily elect people who loudly vocalize the idea that there's no such thing as an effective public solution.

      Examples?

      Why are we surprised that we don't have them? We're hiring vegetarian butchers to package and deliver the meat, folks.

      You contradict yourself: how can we be "surprised" at the lack of effective public solutions if we've all been convinced that such things are not even possible?

      Sometimes the right tool for the job is, in fact, a public institution.

      You say so, but provide no supporting arguments nor evidence. Therefore it suffices for me to say "nuh-uh" in rebuttal.

      We need to start asking how it can do better -- what can make public institutions run effectively.

      Again, your arguments presupposes its conclusion.
  34. Hopefully, they won't by MrNougat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If govt's are now, in 2007, just beginning to realize that they should try to keep up with technology, they're about twenty years too late. I say that's a good thing.

    Governments have always had their caches of data, dossiers on various people, classified documents. They've had systems (whether they be electronic or not) to manage that data. The citizenry, historically, has not had the ability to collect, distribute, or parse data on the scale that governments have.

    Yes, governments can control populations with brute force, but it's much more effective to control populations with information - through misrepresentation, repetition, omission, incorrect weighting, and selective release. Populations have not been able to organize well against these kinds of propaganda strategies. Until now.

    The world-girdling information network is maturing to the point where regular people have access to information that they would otherwise not have. Sources are becoming known as being more or less trustworthy. Some individuals are finding a space on the national and world stage, even if that space is in their niche area.

    I pray that governments continue to stay behind the technology curve. Take away my Second Amendment rights all you want; you'll have to pry the internet from my cold dead hands.

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  35. Easy. by LionKimbro · · Score: 1

    They'll do it like this.

  36. "Trial" by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    "Whether government should incline towards leading, following or simply getting out of the way is a matter upon which there are likely to be strongly held differences of opinion."

    Vila: You've decided to be led like the rest of us.
    Avon: I shall continue to follow. It's not quite the same thing.
    Vila: I don't see the difference.
    Avon: I didn't really think that you would. --
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    1. Re:"Trial" by k1e0x · · Score: 1

      No I merious man.. Why is everyone all like "Government, Government, Government! YAY Government! Government rocks my socks!"

      whats the governmet going to do about the poor?
      whats it goind to do about drugs?
      whatd it going to do about power outages?
      whats it going to do about snow?
      whats it going to do about the birds that keeps shitting on my car?

      I'll tell you what its going to ... its going to do what governments have always done about these problems.. its going to spend a lot of our money and talk a good game, and in the end they wont fix a thing.. actually we will be lucky with that too because usually they make it worse.

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    2. Re:"Trial" by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      No I'm serious man.. I'm just pointing out that the Thomas Paine quote "lead, follow, or get out of the way" isn't a list of all options. I'm wary when someone says, "these are your options; choose one." Why do they say those are the only options? Why aren't they listing others? Are they not aware of other options or do they exert more control by excluding options unfavorable to them? Why choose only one? Why choose any?
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  37. Hey, that sounds GREAT.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...just don't FORCE me to pay for your pet research projects upon threat of imprisonment (IRS).

  38. In your dreams! by robinjo · · Score: 1

    > The world-girdling information network is maturing to the point where regular people have access to information that they would otherwise not have. Sources are becoming known as being more or less trustworthy.

    In your dreams! There's more information than ever on the internet. Anything can be looked up in a few seconds. And in this time we have:

    - Fox News channel
    - truckloads of myths circulating
    - Americans supporting a war completely because of false information despite virtually the whole world saying so
    - people mostly searching for pron
    - people believing and repeating complete nonsense about contraception and condoms
    - pages like MySpace as most popular sites
    - net full of strong opinions based on information that can be refuted in 1 minute
    - people never changing their opinion even if they are dead wrong

    The fact that we can easily access all the information we ever need doesn't mean that people do read and understand it.

  39. Stating the obvious by HikingStick · · Score: 1

    Stated simply, government will never keep up with technology, since they are not involved in its innovation. At best, we can hope that the gap between "current" technology and that in the hands of government shrinks to the point where government is no longer living in the land of fossils.

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  40. 2nd Amendment by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

    My guess is never, seeing as how the gov't still hasn't repealed the second amendment.

    [puts on flame retardent suit]

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  41. hiring by oedenfield · · Score: 1

    They hire IT people.

  42. The shots may be cheap, but... by BarnabyWilde · · Score: 1

    ...the bill is OUTRAGEOUS.

    And there's the point.

    See if you can find "Financial Report of the United States Government" (PDF), get back with me on how much of that crap is really productive...

    1. Re:The shots may be cheap, but... by DrData99 · · Score: 1

      Do you drive on the interstate highway system? Do you get weather reports from the National Weather Service? Do you eat food or take medicines that have been tested by the Food and Drug Administration? I can go on and on, but my point is while government is not perfect, would you trust these functions to private industry?

  43. "Acadamia"? by BarnabyWilde · · Score: 1

    "Acadamia"?

    As in nuts?

  44. Just as well as a gigantic corporation by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

    With the exception of the military and possibly NASA, it'll be lagging behind the front-runners and get the technology a few years after it's tested and more polished than when it first comes out. It'll also probably experience fewer problems than companies that jump from one new technology to the next as soon as they're introduced. Governments have been keeping up with technology for the past few thousands of years. Sure, it wasn't always electronics, but you think that they had the technology to build medieval castles back in 500 A.D.?

    1. Re:Just as well as a gigantic corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but you think that they had the technology to build medieval castles back in 500 A.D.

      Yes, the Romans had better building techniques than medieval engineers.

  45. Digital Preservation by DavidKlemke · · Score: 1

    There are many government agencies working around the world that are dealing with the problems of preserving national records that are born digital. In America one of the biggest players in the world of preservation of electronic records is the Library of Congress: ahref=http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/index.htm lrel=url2html-18187http://www.digitalpreservation. gov/index.html>.

    Additionally there are many groups dedicated to creating standards for the preservation of digital records as well as a framework for setting up digital repositories (read: OAIS Reference Model for Digital Repositories, which just underwent its 5 year review). Although this idea is still in its infancy it is far from being neglected, and pretty much every national archive around the world has either implemented or is currently researching a way to preserve digital records for many years to come.

  46. Re:This isn't funny. by TFloore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Boy are you ever wrong.

    Both of you, really. Or, at least, you are talking about different things, and your comments about each other's topics are incorrect because you are not talking about the same things.

    Military systems are often decades behind commercial products.

    There is a reason for this. Logistics. Supply. Lifecycle support. The military buys systems and uses them for 20, 30, or more years. The US Air Force is flying B-52 bombers built in the 1950s, and plans to keep flying them into the 2030s. Well, the airframes, at least. Most of the guts, plus engines, will be replaced several times over that time frame, but the point is still valid.

    The F-22 that the Air Force is starting to have delivery of, started its R&D cycle in the mid 1980s. It is now the most advanced military aircraft in the world. (And the most expensive.) The US Air Force will probably still be flying the F-22 in the 2040s.

    The military buys for the long term. You don't go from the lab straight to 30-year-useful-life product.

    The reason you see new concepts moving from government labs to commercial exploitation is because that's easier than military exploitation.

    That's not the job of government. The government is not supposed to compete with the private sector in making and selling products. The government funds/performs basic research, until it gets to the development stage. Then it transfers that development effort to the private sector, and possibly partially funds the development effort. (A lot of drug research works this way. Basic research by the government, product development by Big Pharma.) This is actually good (much as I complain about Big Pharma), because in general the government is not efficient or responsive at making products.

    funding of short term research

    Oxymoron. Short term research is not research, it is development. More specifically, it is called product development. Research is basic and long term. See my above paragraph.

    by commercial interests is many times that of the military domain

    which is as it is supposed to be. The military funds product development of products directly of interest to the military. That is a small subset of the economy, and so is a small subset of total product development efforts and funding.

    What used to be better was long term research

    Agreed, government funding of basic research as a percentage of total government budget used to be higher, but it isn't gone, and it really isn't shrinking that fast. The major problem is that politicians are becoming a lot more like CEOs, and want to see something come out of the research efforts. Now. (Or, more specifically, during their term in office.) Not 30 years from now. They are trying to run research projects like they are development efforts, and are frustrating a lot of scientists and screwing up a lot of research efforts.

    to fund the wars we've been having

    Off topic rant.

    The war in Afghanistan took a few months, and cost $25 billion dollars. It was a military victory. The war in Iraq took 3 weeks and cost less than $60 billion dollars. It was a military victory. (Warning, both dollar values pulled out of my a$$.) Past the first few months in Afghanistan, and the first month in Iraq, we've had police actions. Stupid. Costly. Unwinnable. Install a puppet dictator, and get the hell out. Dammit, I used to be a good Republican.

    But even so, they haven't cost that much in terms of the entire government budget. All of DOD including the fake "emergency" funding is less that is spent on entitlement programs (Social Security, Medicare, etc). Though it is getting close to crossing that line. Scary. (After 4 years there, it is not an emergency any more. It is planned spending.)

    Wow, I'm getting cynical lately.

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  47. Keeping up with technology by EcoLovingGuy · · Score: 1

    Historically, governments whose populations develop technology at the fastest rate have been the first benficiaries of this technology. This occurs for several reasons, although mainly because the governments have the most access to the technology and can tax and legislate it.

  48. A corporation for a government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know what I'm beginning to think that all those sci-fi stuff where corporations get to rule over populations instead of a government may not be too far off.

  49. Voluntary private institutions vs public by slysithesuperspy · · Score: 1

    We could alternatively ask how can we use voluntarily means to provide these services, rather than services where funding comes from the threat of violence (tax.)

  50. You're only looking at what you see by slysithesuperspy · · Score: 1

    They spend hundreds of billions on stuff to blow stuff up. There could be another massive number of amazingly talented people creating things that consumers want. It's completely absurd to say that bureaucrats spend other peoples money better than individuals. Yea sure the military make lots of important stuff like lasers but you are not looking at what we don't see---money taken out of the private sector and spent by other people, it is going to go down inefficient paths, lowering everyones wealth.

  51. Obvious answer by strikeleader · · Score: 0

    How Will Governments Keep Up With Technology?.....By stifling it..Duh