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LG.Philips Develops World's First Color E-Paper

An anonymous reader writes "LG.Philips LCD has announced it has developed the world's first 14.1-inch flexible color E-paper display, equivalent in size to an A4 sheet of paper. The 14.1-inch flexible color E-paper uses electronic ink from E-Ink Corp. to produce a maximum of 4,096 colors. It can be viewed from a full 180 degrees, so that images always appear crisp, even when the display is bent."

188 comments

  1. Wonderful by Dirtside · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now how about a damn picture?

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    1. Re:Wonderful by thedohman · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.lgphilips-lcd.com/homeContain/jsp/eng/i nv/inv101_j_e.jsp?BOARD_IDX=1280&languageSec=E&kin ds=IN1

      includes a picture, and a little tiny bit more info.
      It's TFT LCD on a flexible plastic substrate instead of glass.

    2. Re:Wonderful by nemoyspruce · · Score: 1, Informative
    3. Re:Wonderful by superswede · · Score: 1

      Wonder if it comes with the gloves.

    4. Re:Wonderful by qbwiz · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, it's not an LCD, as it uses E-Ink (little black and white capsules) - that's what makes it e-paper. It does use TFTs to rotate those capsules and change the color, however.

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    5. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One wonders why the image looks like it was hastily taken by a worker with a average digicam. But still the tech is cool of course. :)

    6. Re:Wonderful by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      Will this do?

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    7. Re:Wonderful by Fjan11 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The picture on that page is compressed into poststamp size format by your browser, if you right-click on the picture and do "open in new tab" you get a very detailed picture (the link includes utf-8 characters, so I can't link it directly)

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    8. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if it's just because I'm wary about clicking image links on slashdot, but to me that thing looks a bit like goatse.cs...

    9. Re:Wonderful by mohjlir · · Score: 1

      You fool, its so damn thin you can't see it.

    10. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit it's a "natural" goatse

    11. Re:Wonderful by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

      It's TFT e-paper, NOT TFT flexible LCD. It doesn't use liquid crystal. The company's name is Philips LCD, so they write Philips LCD display.

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    12. Re:Wonderful by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Funny

      And is that is a truly horrible picture. It's not just highly compressed jpeg, it's blurry. Maybe if they took the picture with a real camera instead of a 2001 camera phone, it would look half-way decent.

    13. Re:Wonderful by rjshields · · Score: 2, Informative

      I didn't realise 2001 camera phones could do 3008 x 2000 resolution.

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    14. Re:Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man... they goatse'd that poor ePaper!

    15. Re:Wonderful by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Image editing, your taxes and the dishes.

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  2. An advertisers dream by GFree · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now you just know the advertisers are gonna get a hold of this technology and slap animated ads on cereal boxes or something.

    Minority Report anyone?

    1. Re:An advertisers dream by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I doubt it, seeing as this stuff still looks to be too expensive and fragile to be treated as disposable.

      I think a lot of these "e-paper" technologies kind of miss the whole point of paper, which is not that it happens to be flexible and reflective, or even in color, but that it's cheap enough and portable enough to bring with you literally anywhere. Paper was ubiquitous long before the invention of four-color separation.

    2. Re:An advertisers dream by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Though it will make for some awesome novelty toilet paper!

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    3. Re:An advertisers dream by musakko · · Score: 1

      Fantastic! I would love to see that - give me anything other than press releases every few months saying this company or that has 'invented' e-Paper and noone actually doing anything with it.

    4. Re:An advertisers dream by vertigoCiel · · Score: 1

      It's interesting how many recent developments in visual technology have largely been used for advertising - I'd say the majority of animated GIFs and SWF's on the web are advertisements of some sort, and check out those huge animate billboard displays that are getting more and more common place.

      The end goal of advertising seems to be the elimination of any visual stimulus that doesn't somehow alert you to the existance of a product.

    5. Re:An advertisers dream by Merusdraconis · · Score: 1

      Nah, first off someone's going to make a book that has a tiny Quicktime window on the right page, and when you touch it, it goes 'whuuuuuuuum whum whum' and sends you to D'ni.

    6. Re:An advertisers dream by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      Now you just know the advertisers are gonna get a hold of this technology and slap animated ads on cereal boxes or something.

      Minority Report anyone?


      Oh yea, Minority Report! We better stop those e-paper guy before they also come up with the maglevs and precogs.

      Seriously though, Minority Report used lots of real world scientific data about upcoming technologies in the next 20 to 60 years, this is why Minority Report features a lot of the technology it does. As we see, their research was accurate about the e-paper.

      Of course, if a cereal-box sized epaper sheet costs $100, that'd be some hella expensive cereal.

    7. Re:An advertisers dream by ozbird · · Score: 1

      Now you just know the advertisers are gonna get a hold of this technology and slap animated ads on cereal boxes or something.

      Minority Report anyone?


      Bring it on - "free", probably hackable e-paper, anyone?

    8. Re:An advertisers dream by animpintime · · Score: 1

      Sorry Microsoft will have claimed they invented it by the time the technology becomes cheap enough to do this. Given the price of Vista and underling hardware I just cant see it becoming viable.

      Microsoft releases the first 6 core 1 Kilowatt (35.274 OunceWatt US) Cereal Box

    9. Re:An advertisers dream by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that it's not nearly as "revolutionary" as some people think it is, but still -- if it gives me better battery life on my portable computer (while, ideally, retaining my ability to watch videos (I know the refresh rate isn't there yet)), I'm all for it!

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    10. Re:An advertisers dream by morie · · Score: 1

      I don't expect it to wipe very comfortably. You don't want e-papercuts down there.

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    11. Re:An advertisers dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that the battery life of this thing is down to the simple fact it only draws power when the display is changing, using it for video would seam to go against its power-saving-ness.

    12. Re:An advertisers dream by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, I don't think they do. The point is to be able to create a device that is "portable enough to bring with you literally anywhere" that doesn't require 5kg of batteries to keep it running. It's about high-resolution, low power, persistent image display. Think about a newspaper. Now think about something the size of a pad of paper that can hold every current issue of newspaper and magazine in the world... Try lugging around the paper equivalent... Cost is not an issue since it's not a "disposable" device. You buy it once and use it for YEARS. If it's less expensive than the cost of printing and delivering physical copies of every newspaper and magazine you subscribe to in a year, it has paid for itself. BTW, the cost of printing and mailing / delivering is generally significantly more than the subscription price.

    13. Re:An advertisers dream by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 1

      Cost is not an issue since it's not a "disposable" device. You buy it once and use it for YEARS...

      Yeah, and that's why it would suck. Not that everything needs to be disposable (what a waste!) but if something's going to try to substitute, in my life, for "every current issue of newspaper and magazine in the world," I specifically don't want something I have to worry about keeping track of. That's the whole appeal of paper, that it's cheap and ubiquitous enough for me to be able to pick up and read the folded AM New York someone else left folded on the train for the next passenger. That's what this technology is missing.

    14. Re:An advertisers dream by camperdave · · Score: 1

      something the size of a pad of paper that can hold every current issue of newspaper and magazine in the world

      It better have a tablet-like touch screen, 'cause I hate doing sudoku by cursor keys and number pad.

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    15. Re:An advertisers dream by Zaatxe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      seeing as this stuff still looks to be too expensive and fragile to be treated as disposable.

      Paper was once a very expensive media too!

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    16. Re:An advertisers dream by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't the whole point of ePaper that you don't have to refresh it 60 times a second to keep the image there? Isn't that where all the power savings come from? It makes it ideal for books and things, where the image only changes once ever minute, at most, but nto ideal when you're playing a video, where you would need to change the display at least 24 times a second. Idealy you would only have to change the pixels that change (like how mpeg encodes video), but that's still a lot of changes. Maybe i'm just a little naive, but I don't see this being the right technology for video.

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    17. Re:An advertisers dream by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      It's for changable print, not video. video refreshes 30-60 times per second, this stuff isn't capable of a refresh rate faster than about 1/2 FPS.

      I wouldn't mind an eBook using it, though; I could store an entire library on an SD card, and read it at my leisure without glaring into a damned screen.

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    18. Re:An advertisers dream by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I specifically don't want something I have to worry about keeping track of.

      You must have a devil of a time with your cell phone, laptop, keys, etc.

      it's cheap and ubiquitous enough for me to be able to pick up and read the folded AM New York someone else left

      You wouldn't need to read someone else's copy because you would have your own on your tablet.

      Once we have reasonably priced e-ink tablets (and I think they would need to get down in the sub $300 range,) I would hope that tree-killing paper magazines and newspapers go away. Newspapers are horrible. World-wide, there are probably about a half-billion copies printed every day, with only a very small fraction getting recycled. I don't even want to know have many dozens of acres of forest wiped out there are just for newspapers alone. Probably double that for all the catalogs and magazines.

      I would like to see these devices have some kind of wireless receivers (maybe on unused TV channels) that can receive digital downloads of this kind of content automatically (for whatever you subscribe to.) No need for wifi or cellphone connection (it's one-way) although I wouldn't mind if it also had wifi / bluetooth.

    19. Re:An advertisers dream by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Now you just know the advertisers are gonna get a hold of this technology and slap animated ads on cereal boxes or something.

      Fortunately, I think your wrong here. First, e-ink stuff is not designed to be a motion display. Its special in that it takes power to produce an image, but that image is retained when the power is cut.

      However, the most likely market initial for these kinds of displays is in the retail and marketing sector. Odds are, everything that is printed in a store will be of a display like this. Think shelf price tags, sale displays, and the like. Large retailers spend many thousands of dollars on printing semi-disposable displays that end up in landfills or at best recycled, whereas a display technology like this could eliminate the printer, the paper, and the ink.

      I expect these kinds of displays will be everywhere in 10-20 years or whenever the technology is good enough and the price is right.

      Imagine having this in your house. You could hang this stuff on your walls and change the pictures any time you want. That would be pretty cool.

    20. Re:An advertisers dream by autophile · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of these "e-paper" technologies kind of miss the whole point of paper, which is not that it happens to be flexible and reflective, or even in color, but that it's cheap enough and portable enough to bring with you literally anywhere.

      On the contrary, I think ePaper exactly addresses the point of paper. Paper is a write-once technology. Consider ONE sheet of ePaper, coupled with a detachable memory consisting of a thousand books. (Aside: my SF library is about 3,000 books, so 1,000 books isn't very far-fetched. At that doesn't include all my technical books). I'd rather carry one device the size of a paperback book that can display all my books, than carry all my books.

      In addition, the point of the book is not the paper it's printed on, but the words in it. If my book gets soaked or burned, it's gone. If my ePaper gets soaked or burned, or whatever, I just get another sheet, refresh the memory from backup, done.

      I foresee ePaper being used everywhere, replacing displays on stoves, pictures on walls, airline departure monitors, and, of course, books and magazines.

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    21. Re:An advertisers dream by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      I must second the comment about newspapers and magazines. I see e-ink devices (whatever form they take) as ideal for disposable documents like newspapers and magazines. Although it might be convenient to be able to carry a large number of newspapers on the device, for me the biggest advantage is that I don't have to dispose of the paper/magazine once I'm finished. I simply read it and then delete it.

      I think it is less likely that people will be willing to give up paper for documents that will be kept around longer. Despite the advantages of e-ink, books still offer a great deal of convenience for most readers.

    22. Re:An advertisers dream by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      It makes it ideal for books and things, where the image only changes once ever minute, at most, but nto ideal when you're playing a video, where you would need to change the display at least 24 times a second.

      Oh, I'm completely aware of that; I just want it to be capable of it so that the screen can be used in general-purpose mobile PCs, rather than only in E-book readers. Although I want to watch videos sometimes, other times (such as when reading Slashdot) I don't need a high refresh rate -- and that's where the benefit lies.

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    23. Re:An advertisers dream by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Minority Report anyone?"

      Strange. It sounds scary when you say Minority Report, but cool when you say Harry Potter. Never thought I'd say that.

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    24. Re:An advertisers dream by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      It's for changable print, not video. video refreshes 30-60 times per second, this stuff isn't capable of a refresh rate faster than about 1/2 FPS.

      So? With work, it could have a higher refresh rate.

      I wouldn't mind an eBook using it, though...

      Yeah, me too... except I want my ebook reader to also function as a Tablet PC; hence, I want the capability of a higher refresh rate, even though I'd only be using it part of the time.

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    25. Re:An advertisers dream by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Here's an option, if they can't get the refresh rate high enough. Have a laptop, with a screen that turns around, like all those tablet PCs. Then, one one side, have a regular LCD, and on the other side an eInk display. When you are doing something that doesn't require a high refresh rate, then use the eInk display. When you are watching a movie, use the LCD display. Combine this with flash hard drives, and we may actually have a laptop that can last an entire day without needing to be recharged.

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    26. Re:An advertisers dream by fuzz6y · · Score: 1

      I don't even want to know have many dozens of acres of forest wiped out there are just for newspapers alone.

      Basically zero. They don't go find a forest to clearcut to make paper. They have tree farms, where they cut down all the trees, plant new ones, and repeat.

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    27. Re:An advertisers dream by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      "So? With work, it could have a higher refresh rate."

      In e-Ink, the refresh rate is dictated by the physics of tiny little 'painted' electrically conductive beads in a thin layer of surfactant. I'm sure they could change the rules a bit by changing materials, but I'm more intersted in improving the manufacturing process and reducing cost of materials in order to get a nice consumer-friendly price point - otherwise they can't obtain the funds to do further research into the project.

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    28. Re:An advertisers dream by mgblst · · Score: 1

      I think we have found the next Steve Jobs - I don't think any of us can see anything wrong with that.

      Why not have 3 display, one with a regular CRT, that is even more brilliant than your idea.

      Shouldn't recess be over by now?

    29. Re:An advertisers dream by ccp · · Score: 1

      except I want my ebook reader to also function as a Tablet PC

      Well, maybe you do, but they're a lot of us old farts who just want a decent e-book reader, and nothing more, preferably for under $100.

      And, before people start posting links, there's not a reader in the market that is even close to decent, at any price. Too small screens, mainly.

      Of course, YMMV.

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    30. Re:An advertisers dream by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      (while, ideally, retaining my ability to watch videos (I know the refresh rate isn't there yet))
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  3. It is transparent? by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once they get more colors I'd like to tack it to my wall and use it as a monitor.

    1. Re:It is transparent? by Mr+Jazzizle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This just gave me an awesome idea: E-Paper post-its! Imagine having standard looking post-its around your moniter, or your office, or wired down to your kitchen (or, as long as I'm dreaming, wireless) that change corresponding to your Outlook to-do or however you wish to program them. That'd be rad. And some stuff tacked onto a bulletin board. I just love the idea of just tacking a screen to something.

    2. Re:It is transparent? by paganizer · · Score: 1

      Might be a fairly good idea to file a provisional patent on that.

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    3. Re:It is transparent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankfully it already meets video standards of the Amiga! Can't wait to use Video Toaster on my lunch menu.

    4. Re:It is transparent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it is I'd like some E-Paper contact lenses please. Or maybe just one to start me off.

      I suppose e-paper glasses are more of a reality though, those would also be nice.

    5. Re:It is transparent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or to have the daily Dilbert strip on the office.

    6. Re:It is transparent? by weicco · · Score: 1

      E-Paper post-it with encryption support! Store you passwords to E-Paper post-it. Encrypt it with password. Store it under your keyboard. Now your passwords are safe! Even from yourself, since you forgot the encryption key!

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    7. Re:It is transparent? by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      No, because it's not innovative. It's an obvious use of technology, not just to someone in the trade, but to anyone.

    8. Re:It is transparent? by mqsoh · · Score: 1

      If the refresh rate is anything like the Sony Reader (I have one), then you won't be using it as a monitor any time soon. Not as your primary monitor anyway. I would like a peripheral display for my desk in which I could dump text for reading. Actually, I was thinking the other day that if they could get the refresh rate good enough, it'd be a GREAT way to code.

    9. Re:It is transparent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A patent has to be innovative in order to be filed? That's news to me.

    10. Re:It is transparent? by mzwaterski · · Score: 1

      I realize that you are just an anonymous troll, but if you or anyone else is interested in the need for "innovation" in patents, read KSR v. Teleflex...

    11. Re:It is transparent? by autophile · · Score: 1

      And some stuff tacked onto a bulletin board. I just love the idea of just tacking a screen to something.

      The bulletin board is the screen! :) Just FTP your notice to the bulletin board. No tacking required :)

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    12. Re:It is transparent? by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      Yup, and just like regular post-it notes, after you've used it a couple times and the glue wears out, you just toss it out and grab another one off the pad!

      - RG>

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    13. Re:It is transparent? by bsims · · Score: 1

      Even better idea, use the E-Paper for subscription magazines...

      Your subscription entitles you to the range of issues you have
      paid for... you can access them at any time... all tied to your
      account for marketing research.

      Lower costs: ie, no printing, no mailing. Unlimited access to all
      your back issues; charge a fee for any back-issues in the archives
      that you haven't paid for.

      The porn industry alone, could save thousands a year on just mailing
      charges. It would be better for the enviroment, no literal tons of
      paper choking landfills.

      Better, Faster, Cheaper (for the producer); what's not to like?

    14. Re:It is transparent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, and not to mention the tons of used tissues... oh wait

    15. Re:It is transparent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tack it to my wall and use it as a monitor.
      Do you really think your employer will pay you to sit and stare at the wall all day?
    16. Re:It is transparent? by Mr+Jazzizle · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the fact I would never have the ability to actually get around to making epaper post its myself.

    17. Re:It is transparent? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Or display news headlines - talk about thinking outside the box. You could even have one on the wall displaying the current song playing on your computer - thinking outside the box on that one. Or maybe the weather - wow, I should be paid for these brilliant ideas.

      This, my friends, is why they shouldn't have computer with net access in primary schools.

  4. soon? by mastershake_phd · · Score: 1

    Im suprised this e-ink hasnt caught on yet. Reading on regular lcds and crts is really tough on the eyes. Not to mention the saved paper.

    1. Re:soon? by EGSonikku · · Score: 1

      It's just there hasn't (for me anyway) been a *perfect* application yet. The Sony eReader came close, but still missing a few things. If the Sony eReader has 1) a color screen and 2) had touch input, it would be perfect (eReader Wikipedia anyone)? Gimme that and i'll be set, hell, it would basically be the hitchhikers guide.

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    2. Re:soon? by afaik_ianal · · Score: 1

      2) had touch input

      Wouldn't it smudge?
    3. Re:soon? by macshit · · Score: 1

      It's just there hasn't (for me anyway) been a *perfect* application yet. The Sony eReader came close,

      Huh? The Sony e-reader was awful -- super low-speed display update, unpleasantly low contrast, weird color (monochrome) display, clunky user interface ill-fitted to the device, typical sony nutcase infatuation with drm, etc.

      It seemed pretty clear that they only sold the thing because some department needed to fill its "products brought to market" quota...

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    4. Re:soon? by mqsoh · · Score: 1

      From what I've read about the E-ink displays, I think you'd sacrifice resolution for color. Why color, though? It's not for looking at photos, it's for reading books. Few books I've read have needed color (and those are mostly instructional books, not literature). I've got a Reader and I initially was upset by the lack of input, however, I can't do that with a regular book and I can search the copies I keep on my machine. It's really like a regular book with some minor conveniences. It's not a laptop.

  5. bedside use by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Funny

    i predict this will become a success since we can use it while lying in bed like a paper magazine and look at photos and stuff, unlike current monitors :thumbsup:

    1. Re:bedside use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "use it in bed"... you sleazebag

    2. Re:bedside use by MamiyaOtaru · · Score: 1

      Hell with the bedroom. What about the bathroom?

    3. Re:bedside use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's not a thumb!

  6. like Total Recall? by The+Monster · · Score: 1
    Only the color display was a tad larger than A4.... In time I'm sure we'll have 'wallpaper' that large.

    Oh, you didn't mean motion picture?

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  7. Incredible opportunities by rkohutek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The opportunities for this kind of technology are limitless. Really - books, notes, travel, magazines, anything can be digitized and made incredibly accessible.

    Not to mention there is no doubt that the low power nature of it makes it ready for solar power, making it an incredible communication tool in non-power friendly places, like say deserts or jungle for military use. The fact that it's flexible makes it able to handle harsh environments - simply roll it up, stick it in a tube and keep on going. Computer on top of Everest, anyone?

    Really, this is an incredible breakthrough and deserves plenty of attention; I'm not sure the market is ready for it yet, but this kind of technology will absolutely become a part of our day-to-day lives in short order.

    1. Re:Incredible opportunities by Mr+Jazzizle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      regarding harsh enviroments, does anyone know if e-paper IS robust? being able to "simply roll it up, stick it in a tube and keep on going" would definitely be great, I'm just curious how far the tech has gotten as far as real-world usability. Maybe that's why it hasn't caught on?

    2. Re:Incredible opportunities by icegreentea · · Score: 1

      i believe that with the low power systems which only power up to change the image have this weird flickering when switching because of the need to reintroduce power. at least this was the case of the b/w ebook readers. i believe there was an article here about this sometime ago.

    3. Re:Incredible opportunities by Urusai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This stuff is less flexible than your average overhead projector film. Let's get serious: until you can fold it, it's not "e-paper".

    4. Re:Incredible opportunities by metlin · · Score: 5, Funny

      The opportunities for this kind of technology are limitless. Really - books, notes, travel, magazines, anything can be digitized and made incredibly accessible.

      Not to mention there is no doubt that the low power nature of it makes it ready for solar power, making it an incredible communication tool in non-power friendly places, like say deserts or jungle for military use. The fact that it's flexible makes it able to handle harsh environments - simply roll it up, stick it in a tube and keep on going. Computer on top of Everest, anyone?

      Really, this is an incredible breakthrough and deserves plenty of attention; I'm not sure the market is ready for it yet, but this kind of technology will absolutely become a part of our day-to-day lives in short order.
      The PORNOGRAPHIC opportunities for this kind of technology are limitless. Really - PORNO books, SEX notes, travel WITH JENNA, PLAYBOY magazines, anything can be digitized and made incredibly accessible.

      Not to mention there is no doubt that the low power nature of it makes it ready for solar power, making it an incredible communication tool in non-power friendly places, like say MASTURBATING in deserts or jungle. The fact that it's flexible makes it able to handle harsh environments - simply roll it up, stick it in a tube and keep on going (oh good lord, am not even going to try that one). PORN on top of Everest, anyone?

      Really, this is an incredible breakthrough and deserves plenty of attention (of course it does); I'm not sure the market is ready for it yet, but this kind of technology will absolutely become a part of our day-to-day PORN in short (ouch) order.
    5. Re:Incredible opportunities by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Computer on top of Everest, anyone?

      And if you think the response time of LCDs is bad... just wait for EPaper displays!
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    6. Re:Incredible opportunities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but that's just stating the obvious, lad.

      Who modded this mook insightful?

    7. Re:Incredible opportunities by mavi_yelken · · Score: 1

      Indeed, now make a color version of this:

    8. Re:Incredible opportunities by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention there is no doubt that the low power nature of it makes it ready for solar power, making it an incredible communication tool in non-power friendly places, like say deserts or jungle for military use. The fact that it's flexible makes it able to handle harsh environments - simply roll it up, stick it in a tube and keep on going. Computer on top of Everest, anyone?

      While I also expect we'll (of course) see more and more e-paper around us (it's already widely used on airports and other such building to print large and mostly static information), the relation to a "communication device on Everest" escapes me.

      The TFT screen was never a power issue in mobile devices. The receiver/transmitter is, and the backlight is. And a present day TFT is also visible in plain sunlight if it's put against white bg (versus put a backlight).

      So don't get too excited. Also "soft" and "durable" aren't synonyms.

    9. Re:Incredible opportunities by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm a skeptic. If it were so great, then where is it? We've had all kinds of half-baked technologies foisted upon us. I can think of a bunch right off the top of my head. 8-tracks; Apple Newtons; steam powered cars; ISDN; COBOL; alcohol-free beer. Those were the HALF-baked things that were sold by people who wanted to just make a buck from suckers.

      This lectro paper must be even WORSE than half-baked, because nobody is selling it anywhere. I don't know why everybody's jumping every time there's some new hype about this crap. Sorry to be a skeptic, but it's my nature.

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    10. Re:Incredible opportunities by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      Dude, and I lost my mod points yesterday. Funny AND insightful. Heck, interesting and informative (OK, maybe not informative), as well. +4 to you.

    11. Re:Incredible opportunities by weicco · · Score: 1

      Well of course it's obivous! But it takes real talent and businessmanship to make a product from such an "obvious" thing. I wonder how many business opportunities has been lost because of lack of foresight.

      Just for an example, how about glue and a paper? Put glue on paper, press it to some surface and it sticks. Yes, this is obvious, but tell it to the company that manufactures Postit papers.

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    12. Re:Incredible opportunities by laejoh · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the fact that you can use the E-paper to clean yourself afterwards!

    13. Re:Incredible opportunities by autophile · · Score: 1

      This stuff is less flexible than your average overhead projector film. Let's get serious: until you can fold it, it's not "e-paper".

      The other day I tried folding my 300 page SF paperback in half. It didn't work. Useless paper!

      --Rob

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    14. Re:Incredible opportunities by holomorph · · Score: 1

      Plus, since it's E-Ink, all you need to do is press a button and suddenly it's not porn anymore. You know, instead of the classic hide it inside another magazine/book trick.

    15. Re:Incredible opportunities by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that is why it hasn't caught on. Nothing to do with the fact it is still being developer, or it costs a huge pile of cash. The fact that it can't handle a little rain, that is the only thing stopping people spending $1000s on something of limited use. You know, i bet the reason that personal jet packs hasn't caught on yet is because nobody has painted them the right colour. And space travel is really going to pick up as soon as they offer good meals on the rockets - that is the thing holding it back.

      Shouldn't you be wearing a straight jacket or something?

  8. Excellent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly, this new technology will rapidly sweep aside the many current applications of black-and-white e-paper.

  9. park use by mjbkinx · · Score: 1

    i predict this will become a success since we can use it while lying in bed like a paper magazine and look at photos and stuff, unlike current monitors :thumbsup:

    I happen to be in my bed with my laptop right now. What I want is to take it to the park.
    Imagine it's a beautiful day, and you can just grab your notebook and sit in the sun. There are batteries/solar panels, UMTS flat rates and eskies, but I still can't read my screen in the sun.

    BTW, anything about the resolution somewhere?

    1. Re:park use by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      You need a better laptop. I use mine outside all the time, even in the bright Australian sun.

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    2. Re:park use by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      You know they arrest people for doing that kind of stuff in public. You should really reconsider.

      Oh, you meant actually working or surfing /. Well, in that case you're probably okay.

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  10. Sony eReader by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have the eReader and it's great for reading paperbacks. But tech docs fall short due to it's smallish screen. If this is really the size of an A4/Letter and has a high dpi then I see it taking off. If it's just color with a low dpi then it'll fail. I'd love an eReader with a letter display and 300dpi :-) They grey screen is cool.

    1. Re:Sony eReader by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      I'd like that too. I can't see any info anywhere about the dpi resolution, alas, and the image in the picture looks rather dim. Even so, this is a cheering advance.

    2. Re:Sony eReader by value_added · · Score: 1

      I have the eReader and it's great for reading paperbacks. But tech docs fall short due to it's smallish screen. If this is really the size of an A4/Letter and has a high dpi then I see it taking off.

      I've not seen an eReader close up so I can't comment, but I'd like to think that A4 or letter may be larger than necessary. How many books, periodicals, journals, etc. have you seen published in either of those sizes?

      My guess is that you mean you've found a limitation with using the eReader to read technical documentation that's distributed in a format meant to be printed on A4/letter-sized paper. If that's the case, yeah, I'd agree. At any rate, any product that can emulate the book, etc. reading experience will undoubtedly start a revolution of sorts.

    3. Re:Sony eReader by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem with the Sony Reader (I have one, too) is that it does not reflow PDF documents. I thought I'd be able to read stuff from O'Reilly's Safari on mine, but on average, it's more trouble than its worth. Gutenberg books work, but there's too much work involved reformatting them so they will reflow properly (i.e., fixing the line breaks). The books purchased from the eConnect store work perfectly, but the selection is awful, you have to use Windows to download them (which in my case means using virtualization), the software is terrible, and in many cases the book descriptions are not accurate (for instance, for translated books, they often have the wrong translators listed! - this would be rather like thinking you're downloading the Yo-Yo Ma performance of a cello suite only to discover that it was performed by a 17-year old at his high school recital).

    4. Re:Sony eReader by mqsoh · · Score: 1

      I have the Reader as well, but I like the screen size. However, I would like two sides - like a book. I think a letter-sized display would be a mistake. I find that text blocks are a bit too wide for comfortable reading.

    5. Re:Sony eReader by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      How many books, periodicals, journals, etc. have you seen published in either of those sizes?
      most magazines i see have each page A4 (so a double page spread is A3). Books tend to be a bit smaller but techical books and things like atlas's and heavilly illustrated books (for example the michal palin books) very often have pages above A4 size.

      newspapers tend to be larger still. even the tabloids are more than A4 and as for the broadsheets well they have that name for a reason.

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    6. Re:Sony eReader by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I don't have one, but have considered it. I'm with you an a two-pager...

      In fact, if the "page" is sufficiently fleaxible, why not make it a single sheet with a bend in the middle? Open a clamshell case partially and it could read as two side-by-side pages, lock it in the fully-open-and-flat position and it can be read as one (nearly) A4 page. Best of both worlds, as long as the display can take the fatigue cycles at the center.

      Hmmmm.. [runs off to patent office]

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    7. Re:Sony eReader by ccp · · Score: 1

      I've not seen an eReader close up so I can't comment, but I'd like to think that A4 or letter may be larger than necessary. How many books, periodicals, journals, etc. have you seen published in either of those sizes?

      Magazines, most of them. A little shorter, a little wider.
      And hardcover books are typically 9 x 6 inches. Still far bigger then the eReader screen.

      I guess the e-paper is still expensive, then the smallish screens. We'll have more reasonable sizes as price drops.

      CC
  11. Electronic paper and electronic ink by zappepcs · · Score: 1

    or whatever people want to call them have failed to catch-on in any meaningful way, mostly for the same reasons that the paperless office hasn't caught on yet. People where I work have more or less given up giving me anything on paper because I don't like it. The last two things I printed were tax form and a joke photo for my cube wall, and that counts months without/between printing anything at all.

    Electronic books exist, making them in color won't make them more appreciated by consumers. I don't think this product will be used how you imagine that it will.

    I can see it as a foldable/rollable screen for PDAs that would be simply AWSOME! Portable devices could use tech like this, and it will probably revolutionize fixed screens. Something this small might make that kitchen PC on the fridge door a real possibility, or a cookbook etc.

    I further predict that any advances this tech makes will be with PDA users as they are more likely to want to do computer things when not sitting at their computer.

    1. Re:Electronic paper and electronic ink by Puff+of+Logic · · Score: 1

      The amount of paper I've faced during the course of getting my degree has been verging on the obscene. If I could have a reasonably durable sheet of e-paper the same size as a standard sheet of regular paper, I'd do cartwheels! While I'm wishing, the device would have enough flash memory to store a few hundred sheet-images and a touch-screen with stylus for note-taking. A simple USB connector would let me transfer pages to and from my main system or laptop.

      Tablet notebooks have definitely been a step in the right direction but they're definitely overkill for the lecture hall, as they're somewhat heavy, bulky, and power-hungry. Now if someone would just hold a gun to the heads of the textbook manufacturers to make cheaper electronic versions of their books to go along with the e-paper (and stop bringing out "new" editions every damned year), I'd be a happy student.

      Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to assemble the several reams of old paper I've accumulated over the last semester for recycling. :P

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    2. Re:Electronic paper and electronic ink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, if you're unaware of the progress in paperless offices you're either working for a small fish, or you're unaware of the epic volume of paper and the proportunately large amount of time it takes to digitize all of it. Paperless is the way things are going because for all of its faults, which are numerous, the geometric increase in paper is just impossible to manage.

    3. Re:Electronic paper and electronic ink by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1

      Now if someone would just hold a gun to the heads of the textbook manufacturers to make cheaper electronic versions of their books

      Oh, I don't think the textbook companies would be upset at all over selling you ebooks with no printing or shipping costs that you can't re-sell because of the DRM forcing everyone to always pay full menu price.

  12. Black and white version by tsa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've never even seen a device with black and white e-paper in it, and now they smugly announce the colour version. Why aren't the B&W e-paper devices more popular? Does it have to do with the fact that they don't work very well, or that they are extremely expensive?

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    1. Re:Black and white version by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Informative

      Motorola is selling a cellphone sporting E-Ink display - it's rather crude, as the display is not dot-matrix but a segmented display (not unlike LCDs) sporting some assorted graphical icons. The kicker is that the phone sells well under 50 bucks unlocked and it's 9mm thick. Apparently, the E-Ink display is way cheaper than LCD displays to mass produce, and, since it doesn't need glass nor polarizer substrates it allows the phone to be this thin.

      As for the device itself, it's a nice barebones phone, which feels very study. The display looks great, and i only wish they used a finer dot matrix display, as SMSs can be rather hard to read on it. I've been considering getting one for myself lately.

    2. Re:Black and white version by tsa · · Score: 1

      O yes, that one. Although I like barebones phones, this one is a bit too bare for me. I'll wait for the next model. Hopefully that one has bluetooth and a bit better screen. I don't care about mp3, colors and a camera, but I like to be able to read SMS's without troubles, and that is mainly where the Motorola F3 falls short.

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    3. Re:Black and white version by Axello · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are two commercial black & white e-paper devices available to my knowledge. I happen to have one.
      The iRex iLiad http://www.irextechnologies.com/ is the one I have, but Sony also makes one http://www.learningcenter.sony.us/assets/itpd/read er/

      The quality of these b&w displays is phenomenal. The difference with colour or b&w LCDs is striking, especially outside and in full sunlight.

      One reason they're not so popular might be that E-Ink is prohibitely expensive; they have a monopoly on the digital ink liquid.
      Also a lot of people tend to think colour is very important, neglecting the fact that 99.9% of their book library is monochrome.

    4. Re:Black and white version by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link; I may have to get my hands on this.

    5. Re:Black and white version by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      $700 for the irex? Geez... and it's a flat device too. Why not just make it LCD then? I'd expect a device that size with an LCD, PDF/HTML whatever viewer [running an OSS distro] to cost all of maybe $200 tops.

      For $700, I could just use my laptop [which I lug around anyways], and then pocket the difference.

      Tom

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    6. Re:Black and white version by Richthofen80 · · Score: 1

      I don't think its the monopoly that drives up cost. Granted, if E-Ink is a patented item, the only one company can use their methods to make a e-paper type display. But it would be to the company's advantage to drive DOWN the cost, in order to make sales of the stuff ubiquitous, and get more out of their patent.

      My theory is that the manufacturing process is most likely the thing that is most expensive. Not only that, but the major competitor to these displays are standard LCD displays. When faced with buying an E-ink version and a regular version of a display, the order of magnitude cost difference will drive many businesses to the regular display. What E-ink needs is a 'killer app' in order to drive up demand and spur manufacturing cost decreases through mass production.

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    7. Re:Black and white version by Axello · · Score: 1

      Two things: it is NOT an LCD. That's the whole point. You just can't compare them.
      And, the ilaid is just 389 grams, compare that to your laptop. The display can stay on for days...theoretically, without consuming power. The software of the iliad is just not that good yet.

      If you're happy sitting in the park, in the sunshine, with your laptop, reading a book on it, good for you. I must say I find holding the --bloody expensive, I agree on that-- iLiad while reading a book a lot more comfortable than holding my laptop.

      I see there are no pictures on Flickr comparing a colour LCD with E-Ink. When the sun is shining over here I'll fix that.

    8. Re:Black and white version by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the epaper display is better for reading. It's just not worth the cost, and in the meantime I'll make due with something else [e.g., my laptop].

      $700 for what basically amounts to just a display is insane. The software is freely available, the rest of the components probably total $50-$100 in volume. So what you're paying for is either an inefficiently setup company, the license fees for epaper, or greedy profit margins.

      Tom

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    9. Re:Black and white version by autophile · · Score: 1

      I've never even seen a device with black and white e-paper in it, and now they smugly announce the colour version. Why aren't the B&W e-paper devices more popular?

      I've actually been surprised by the pace of ePaper advance. Just in the past year or two, we've seen the introduction of readers based on 2-color ePaper, and now the 4096-color version is in labs. I would not be surprised to see a color ePaper reader on the shelves by May 2008, and several models by Jan 2009. The cost of a B&W reader will go down and the quality and featurism will go up as a result.

      Then again, readers themselves aren't very ubiquitous in any case, regardless of whether they're ePaper or PDA based. I tend to think that the readers up until now have not approached the form-factor of a paperback with the resolution of a paperback and the memory of a thousand paperbacks. I do expect to see the correct form- and memory-factor by Dec 2007 -- we were close in Dec 2006 when I last looked -- but I expect problems with DRM and format. I think those problems will be solved also by May 2008, either by the industry, or by hax0rs.

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    10. Re:Black and white version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also a lot of people tend to think colour is very important, neglecting the fact that 99.9% of their book library is monochrome.

      Well, I for one am really looking forward to the day I can read comic books anywhere, and have a large library at hand.

    11. Re:Black and white version by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I just got one (unlocked) yesterday and I have a problem with it in my area (Toronto, Ontario, Canada.) The phone is GSM 900 1800 and I do not get ANY reception on it at all with a SIM card from a Rogers phone. I am going to find me a provider in this area who will be able to provide the service to me in those bands and I'll switch to that provider just because of this phone. I hate all other phones with cameras and games and music and all other junk in them, I got this one because it's just a phone. As a plus, it is very very thin and uses almost no energy for the display. Oh, and the buttons are good.

    12. Re:Black and white version by Synn · · Score: 1

      Where did you buys yours? Did a quick search on the net but I haven't seen anyone selling them. I'd kill for a slim, rugged cell phone that was just a phone.

  13. At Last!!!! by oak86 · · Score: 1

    A slimmer, more portable way of viewing porn!

    1. Re:At Last!!!! by cablepokerface · · Score: 1

      Somehow when I'm watching porn I never feel the need to be very mobile ..

    2. Re:At Last!!!! by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      >A slimmer, more portable way of viewing porn!
      And you can roll it in to a tube. Does it have lube? Umm, I wish I hadn't said that.

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    3. Re:At Last!!!! by snoggeramus · · Score: 0

      .. and you can wrap the display around your head when it comes to your favorite images!

  14. Marketing opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now the nekked chicks can hump themselves when you fold the paper double..

  15. Advertising campaign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Get Bent"

    1. Re:Advertising campaign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Followed by "we've upped our standards, now, up yours!"

  16. Two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whacking Material!

  17. Re:ATTN: SWITCHEURS! by gfody · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

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  18. Finally I have it by the100rabh · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So finally I have real good digital photo frame....wait a min...can that be video frame also

    1. Re:Finally I have it by Myrcutio · · Score: 1

      we've had digital frames for a while, with video, that can even read movies from a usb thumb drive. This is completely different in that it's basically paper, its flexible and more comfortable to work with than a flat glass screen is. I am curious how much it weighs though, and how severe the costs will be. If they can retail it for under $2000, i think they could make it an overnight success. Imagine if they could add a touchscreen and solar power to one of these sheets, and a wireless adapter! now THAT they could charge just about whatever they wanted and i would still buy one.

  19. What's the latency for an update? by renoX · · Score: 1

    Apparently they have not improved it, otherwise they would have given it in the PR.
    If memory serves, it's higher than 1s, waiting that long each time you "turn the page" on your book reader must be quite annoying..

    1. Re:What's the latency for an update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to eInk's website, their current generation speed is 740ms.
      It's for B/W screens, I don't know if colour screens will be as "fast".

      http://www.eink.com/products/matrix/imaging_film.h tml

      Still, when you read a book, it might be fast enough. You won't be playing games on those soon, however.

    2. Re:What's the latency for an update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The latency on the current monochrome devices is more like 100ms. This is usable for reading. Still it might be longer for this with the color and extra complexities.

    3. Re:What's the latency for an update? by renoX · · Score: 1

      100ms would be enough for reading yes, but the link above indicated ~0.7s typical (with a max of 0.2s) which is better than 1.2s (the previous generation) but still much higher than your figure of 0.1s.

      What I've read before was about ~1s of update time so 0.7s or 1.2s seems much more plausible than 0.1s, unfortunately.

  20. Quality by xlsior · · Score: 1

    It might be 'color', but looking at the photo on Philip's website, it seems that the quality still leaves a lot to be desired... Especially when it comes to brightness & contrast

    Don't get me wrong -- it's a great start, but I doubt it will replace your monitor any time soon.

    1. Re:Quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's just that a monitor is vivid due to a backlight, and that's what kills your eyes. The pic shows a newspaper-like quality, and that's really the point of it; having a display strictly for reading text... not at all for replacing your monitor.

    2. Re:Quality by juhaz · · Score: 1

      Huh? Magazines, photographs, ... are quite vivid with reflective lightning, and even most newspapers are orders of magnitude better than what's shown in the picture.

  21. They're too small. by xtal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've yet to see a A4 display. This is a real breakthrough, if it's affordable and available for purchase.

    I want one for viewing electronic spec sheets - all PDFs, all A4, and I have thousands of them. It would be nice to have a real "paper" like display instead of doing what we do now, which is print them. I've played with the e-ink stuff before, but the resolution was far too low and the screen size was paperback-sized.

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    1. Re:They're too small. by trawg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmm, funnily enough the ones I've seen (well, the Sony one which is really the only one I have seen) is too big for me.

      I just want an e-book reader that I can easily hold in one hand. I'm using an ipaq at the moment which is almost the right size, but a little bit too small - another inch or so wider would probably be good. Then I could comfortably hold it in one hand whilst reading in almost any position.

      I suspect e-book readers are still too far away though due to the DRM issues. The Sony one is probably the best tech, but its crippled by lack of available titles. I've been keeping an eye out for the Hanlin Ebook after seeing it posted in a Slashdot thread ages ago, but I haven't seen any of these over my side of the pond (Australia). They look good, but again you're short on titles - at least they'll read a huge variety of formats though.

    2. Re:They're too small. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is supposed to be the smallest (thinnest) e-book: eread.co.nz
      the dimensions are:
      188mm by 118mm by 8.5mm (7.4" by 4.6" by 0.3") source: mobileread.com
      so, thin, and with about the same area as a smallish paperback.

    3. Re:They're too small. by pavon · · Score: 1

      Amen, especially if it comes with search capability - If I print things on paper I spend forever going back and forth between the layout and design schematics trying to find where the heck R62 is, and if I view them on a laptop, the resolution is too low and I end up constantly zooming in and out, in addition to being bulky and draining batteries far too quickly. A decent E-ink tablet would be great for schematics.

  22. Biggest problem I see with this... by Darth+Turbogeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    .... flushing the fucking thing if you thought the words on the e-paper were only good for wiping your ass with. Or in emergency TP shortages, what are you going to use now?

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    1. Re:Biggest problem I see with this... by acalthu · · Score: 1

      the three sea shells of course :D

  23. Revolutionary by SamP2 · · Score: 0

    This could be the biggest book revolution since Gutenberg. Combine the vastness of digital media out there with the paper medium which can be taken anywhere, anytime. Books, newspapers, journals, office paperwork, faxes -- all could be replaced to a large degree by e-books. Imagine wanting to read a new novel, and instead of going to buy the book, just go to the seller's website, pay a fraction of the cost, and download the text right onto your e-book, then take it with you anywhere you want and read it in your free time, on the bus, subway, in bed, anywhere you want, without having to deal with the posture and eye strain problems of continuous reading from computer monitors, or having to carry a notebook around with you. Also imagine how much trees will be saved by this. Although, I'm pretty sure your friendly neighborhood copyright conglomerate will think otherwise. Anyone else thought of an organization like BIAA, hard at work to curtail the enlightenment of those who cannot afford the Knowledge Tax?

  24. How about... by acalthu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ..the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, like what they use in the movie? something like that could be a reality in 5 years, voice activated and all, with a few hundred GB of flash memory.

    1. Re:How about... by OrangeTrafficCone · · Score: 1

      HHGtoG would be nice, but I am banking on the book from "The Diamond Age", wireless interaction with real people (I know what you're thinking...). The educational implications are impressive.

  25. after images by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I played with some eInk a few weeks ago it had a lot of after images. It's not (yet) appropriate for animation or video. But it is amazingly easy on the eyes. At first I thought the e-reader at the store was just a model with some fake image on the display, not so it was a real working unit.

    eInk won't be replacing your PC monitor any time soon, it seems to only be practical for specialized users.

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    1. Re:after images by acalthu · · Score: 1

      you're right, it's just like looking at printed text. i think the reason is because there is no refreshing taking place. this would be a great technology for illustrated books, reminiscent of the 80's rpg games where scenes changed with the location you traveled to with the odd bit of animation here and there (re: the hobbit).

    2. Re:after images by mqsoh · · Score: 1

      When I first got the Reader I flipped out because I saw a ghost of the load screen at the next screen. However, in normal operation (though menus and page-turning) it first blanks the screen by displaying a negative of the page and then refreshing with the current page.

  26. Huh? by hexed_2050 · · Score: 1

    How come they didn't have this technology in Star Trek? They are still using chunky old 90s looking laptops!

    I'm starting to think everything they have in the 2400 century, they traveled back to the glorious 90s to get. Hey, that reminds me...

    h

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  27. No More Screens by CleverNickedName · · Score: 1

    I see this technology eventually being used to coat devices, producing a "display-skin". Imagine an iPod without a screen, but which displays the song info directly on the iPod's case. Combine that with touch-sensitive input, and we have some slick UIs.

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    1. Re:No More Screens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh!!!
      From Post-it Notes to this!!!
      Don't give out your ideas for them to be patented, horde them and protect them before the evil ones steal them from your cold dead hands.

      Etc.

  28. I want an E-Shirt by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I want my E-Shirt to be tye dye, and all the colors to continually go towards the center of the shirt and disappear

  29. Cheap and convenience enough? by ChineseDragon · · Score: 1

    That meas I can receive E-mail on the toilet and clean my *** with it?

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  30. And i just ordered,,, by mseeger · · Score: 1
    Hi,

    i just order an Iliad iRex and the next days coloured ePaper is announced ;-).

    I think ePaper will do a huge jump ahead the next years. For me it is very practical. Usually i take 1kg of books per 3 days of vacation with me. With an eBook reader this will free up a lot of travel luggage.

    Regards, Martin

    1. Re:And i just ordered,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's another one - eread.co.nz it's the thinnest of this generation of e-books.
      What's really needed is a good repository of free books in an appropriate format. Perhaps some of project gutenburg's texts could be converted. It would be nice to have chapter headings bolded etc.

  31. You fool... by mohjlir · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Obviously, its so damn thin you can't see it.

    1. Re:You fool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its an echo!

  32. Even better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's wipe-clean!

  33. 1st Application for this (which i hope) by holywarrior21c · · Score: 0

    is LAPTOP COMPUTERS!! imagine a pen sized computer or pda that rolls out 10 inch screen...and hopefully extended battery hours. i wonder how much energy efficient this is compare to other screens.

  34. Good question! Also, resolution? by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    That's one of the two main questions anyone should be asking right now, although I guess it would still be useful in some ways, if it even had the refresh rate of turning a page in a book. The other big question is... what's its resolution?

    I mean, come on... "A paper display with a maximum of 4,096 colours"? I can get that with a bit of paper, a robot arm, and 4,096 tins of paint. How about some news FOR NERDS, instead of just PR crap? ;)

  35. what we would like to see now by v1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is a video of this display in action. I'd like to see someone bending and flexing the panel while playing Terminator on it or something,

    Also, I did not notice mention of how the panel is lit. Is this like a color LCD display that requires a backlight, or is it self-luminescent? There's no point to a flexible panel if it has to be backlit by an inflexible light source. The e-ink I have seen in the past requires a backlight.

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    1. Re:what we would like to see now by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Uhmmm it's black and white ink in capsules... you 'front-light' it the same way you would a book. What you are looking for is a common desk lamp. Unfortunately most of them need to be plugged in to a power source.

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    2. Re:what we would like to see now by caseih · · Score: 1

      e-ink requires a backlight? I always thought the point was to eventually have a display that's paper-like. Completely reflective. Do no most e-ink applications layer the e-ink against a paper-white background?

    3. Re:what we would like to see now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhmmm it's black and white ink in capsules...

      Uhmmm, read the headline, butthead.

    4. Re:what we would like to see now by Poromenos1 · · Score: 1

      You won't really see it playing Terminator, this thing does like 10 frames per minute (Warning: actual number may vary).

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    5. Re:what we would like to see now by redthefed · · Score: 1

      The display isn't lit at all. It requires external lighting, just like real paper.

    6. Re:what we would like to see now by tgd · · Score: 1

      Then you've never seen e-Ink before.

      E-Ink doesn't ever use a backlight...

    7. Re:what we would like to see now by v1 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it does. A friend brought over a handheld thing, looked like a giant palm pilot. It uses e-ink, and he has many books loaded on it, reads them on the plane. It has a backlight. It's very easy to read and very sharp and crisp when in light, but if there is no light in the room (or it's dark on the plane on a long flight) he has to turn on the backlight to a low level to read it.

      In that respect, e-ink seems to behave a lot like calculator or watch LCD screens - they are very readable in most lighting conditions, but are not self-illuminating and require a backlight when there is too little ambient light.

      His unit was a much better backlight design than say on a wristwatch. The light was even and well-diffused, a lot like a photographer's light panel for viewing film negatives. Probably was a backlight screen panel like what laptop computers use.

      Computer LCD screens are negative color, and are backlit, so you see positive color and b&w, and if you view them in bright light with the backlight off, the image is negatived. With his unit, it works the same in ambient light as it does in backlight. Since his screen was only B&W, what it was doing is when the backlight was turned on, the screen would negative itself, and the negative effect of the backlight then reversed and was viewed normally. There was a very brief delay as it switched, you could see the screen flip negative just before the backlight turned on and corrected the view.

      I was surprised at how crisp the text was. The screen must have been very high resolution, because it could be mistaken for typed or pen-written text. All the older units I've seen were very low resolution (400x300-ish?) and you could clearly see the individual pixels and diagonal lines were not smooth, but his unit was very nice.

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  36. ZOMG! KITTENS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not E-Ink, it's Ink-Two-Point-Oh.

  37. 180 Degrees huh? by BigAssRat · · Score: 1

    Call me skeptical on the viewable from 180 degrees part.

    1. Re:180 Degrees huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is real paper even readable from edge-on, it should be a lot quicker to parse a hairline as opposed to a 2d object.

  38. Reflective color space? (CMYK) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would have to convert all typical RGB content to CMYK on the fly, no?

  39. Fujitsu Color E-paper from 2005 by FathomIT · · Score: 1

    Check out this article on Fujitsu's color epaper from 2005:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/13/fujitsu_ep aper/

  40. outdoor computing, and better for the eyes by kievit · · Score: 1

    With an e-paper monitor, you can work outdoors in bright sunlight. Enjoying a beautiful summer day and getting some computer-related work done are no longer incompatible. I bet that also in general e-paper is better for your eyes than CRT or LCD; the light intensity is always well balanced with the surroundings.

  41. neat! by nih · · Score: 1

    It can be viewed from a full 180 degrees cool, so now i can read my paper 'edge on'
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    1. Re:neat! by feitingen · · Score: 1

      It can be viewed from a full 180 degrees
      cool, so now i can read my paper 'edge on'
      Actually, if its bendable enough, you can get a 360 degrees viewing angle...
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  42. A4 by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    LG.Philips LCD has announced it has developed the world's first 14.1-inch flexible color E-paper display, equivalent in size to an A4 sheet of paper.
    Can I cut it in half to get two A5 color E-paper displays?
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  43. Market this to research scientists by btavshan · · Score: 1

    If they're really looking for a market of people who would latch on to technology, they just have to market to research scientists. Journal articles are always available in PDF, but it's just not physically reasonable to read several ~10 page articles on a flickering screen--meaning that I and everyone I know have piles about 6" high of printed journal articles on their desk. I would love to replace all that with a simple device that could display/store PDFs.

    1. Re:Market this to research scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      six inches.... bah! I'm up to a full 2-3 feet in places, and those are just the articles I like to have handy... actually it's bad enough I usually just reprint th esilly things.

      Seriously, a useful e-paper solution that cost less than an arm and/or leg per user would be fantastic for paper/grant reviewing, general reading. Resolution and color are important for some things, but all the text and most good figures can be read at reasonably low resolution in monochrome.

  44. Very dark sample photo? by breadbot · · Score: 1

    I wonder whether this technology is inherently limited to a very steep saturation-brightness tradeoff.

    In the picture (provided earlier, by thedohman), the color E-ink panel looks very dark.

    Clue: Phillips explains that they made the colors with a plastic overlay.

    Speculation: the overlay could be a transparent RGB grid, where each cell transmits (and therefore reflects) only Red, Green, or Blue. Just like an LCD, right? Unfortunately, because it is purely reflective, that would cut its brightness way down, because you'd be blocking most incipient light even in your most-white state. In the simple case, with equal numbers of Red, Green, and Blue cells, the max brightness would be 1/3 of incipient light, since each cell could only reflect its own color. If you, say, threw in a white cell too, you could get at most 1/2 of incipient light, but at the cost of saturation (because your colors would have to be either washed out by the white quarter, or dark because they can only use a small fraction of the total surface for reflection).

  45. cost and availability please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can anyone give a cost and availability? Until the 14 inch screen comes down to a reasonable price (~$500), this is just an amusement.

  46. Not the first color e-paper by smartalix · · Score: 1

    E-ink had color flexible e-paper on display years ago.

    http://www.eink.com/press/releases/pr86.html

    There are a hell of a lot more ways to create e-paper and paper-like displays so it is understandable that there is some confusion about who is doing what first. Next week is the Society for Information Display show, and there will be at least 20 e-paper developers displaying. Almost all of them will have color prototypes at their booth.

    http://www.sid.org/conf/sid2007/sid2007.html

    But seriously, current LCD, cholesteric LCD, plasma, e-paper, inorganic EL, DLP, LCOS, elecgtrowettting, and EL display tech is so mature and competitive that any new display tech better be f*cking perfect or it will never have a chance.

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  47. Honey; where are the scissors? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    There is a really good coupon I want to cut out of the morning paper...

    D'oh!

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