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A Side Effect of Testosterone Poisoning
obtuse writes "With a finding that may explain Internet trolls — or at least building contractors — U. of Michigan researchers have discovered that individuals with high levels of testosterone find an angry face rewarding. In their experiments, this was true even if the angry image was perceived subliminally so that the subjects didn't register it consciously."
Especially the violent, bullying type.
...you stupid fucking cocksuckers!
In addition to trolls and building contractors, it can also explain certain managers, certain HR people, the jerk on the freeway...
The list goes on and on
Everything I need to know I learned by killing smart people and eating their brains.
Trolls have no balls!
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
In this thread only :)
So that's why Gates keeps Balmer around?
}:(
There is your reward. Are you happy now?
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
Sly Stallone was caught recently in Sydney Airport importing (heh heh... drug smugglers smuggle, but Celebrities "import") quantities of Testosterone and Human Growth Hormone. Maybe Sly is updating his image for the YouTube generation. He wants to not only be a big troll, but a big scary troll too:
y -for-illegal-hormones/2007/05/15/1178995115011.htm ll -apology/2007/05/15/1178995136992.html
"I want... what they want... what those trolls. They just want to be heard. {grabs mike} Bill Gates, I'm comin' to get you!" (Whacks Steve Balmer with chair and dives out the window with DRM lawyers in pursui
Sly sad it was prescribed by his doctors for a "mystery medical ailment". No, seriously.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/stallone-sorr
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/stallones-ful
Don't panic, Rambolovers and Rockettes. Being a 51st State of America, Australia extends immunity to Hollywood Celebrities too. Sly will gush about he loves Australia and walk free. Just as well. Here's to Rambo IV, where he goes back and kicks the ass of the Tabliban guys he freed in III.
Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
I have worked my way up from grunt work to foreman/supervisor; this line of work takes some words to get your ass moving and you haven't got time to be sitting around day dreaming.
Construction is a stressful business majority of the time and a lot of people have no idea what it is like to have an inspector that cost $300/hr to just sit around because your crew couldn't get everything cleaned up. So you raise your voice and the next time they know to pick up the pace to get the project completed.
Where did it say anything about building contractors and trolls in that article anyways.
I find my job very enjoying knowing that I usually can complete a several million dollar project in a week and get enjoyment at looking at a finished project. There are a lot of hot heads in all types of business it is just that when you work construction you usually have to raise your voice over all the other stuff going on and seem to express yourself more because it is a very busy environment with million dollar projects weekly that will fuck up your whole bidding schedule for other projects.
Now how a internet troll and a building contractor are comparable I have no fucking clue but the article described something completely different on people being teasers get enjoyment out of it and I usually don't tease my crew besides rolling up with a 24 pack in the back of my truck for them when they finish the days work.
Why the hell do people post "mod parent blah blah blah" just GTFO if you have nothing to say
ewh, sorry. was just following the whole troll aspect of this thread. please dont GTFO on account of an anonymous coward.
dont guess I'm a vary good troll.
1) What's with the "poisoning"? There is no speak of poisoning of testosterone, merely people with "low" vs. "high".
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2) Internet trolls by (current) definition do not see the faces so this doesn't apply.
Now building contractors however
My Suburban burns less gasoline than your Prius.
Why would it explain Internet trolls if you can't fucking see their faces? Idiots. I hope you all die in a fire. I'm off to lift weights while my wife cooks in the kitchen.
"Sufferin' succotash."
So would this
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Lots of estrogen leads to bigger breasts, which may lead one to see many happier faces.
I don't see the comic connection either. You shouldn't take it too seriously though, because while they may have found some correlation between testosterone, subliminal angry faces, and learning responses, they certainly haven't found a link.
Might as well say you have found a link between shopping for shoes, wearing high heals, and getting pregnant. A correlation is certainly there, but linking them together in the 1-2-3 cause & effect way is a mistaken assumption.
No, you're a good troll. *pets the troll*
Yeah...
No pouting... Want me to drag my sack across your face?
*feeds the troll*
Mod parent up!
As a troll, I find that smiley face annoying >:(
Yeah, I'm sure that's a real common problem here on /.
Next.
In Soviet Russia, Chuck Norris will still kick your ass.
It seems that, at present, with the social breakdown happening in the United States, almost all science reporting contains some dishonesty.
The U.S. is the developed country in which women have the most disfunctional relationships with men. So reporting the story about testosterone as "testosterone poisoning" is a way to get attention. Lesbians, for example, like to use the phrase "testosterone poisoning" about men as a way of convincing women who have relationships with men to have sex with another woman.
In reality, angry people have high testosterone, whether they are men or women. The bodies of both men and women produce testosterone.
If you have observed how hostile women are in the U.S. toward men, I suggest you try visiting Brazil. Women in Brazil are certainly not perfect, and they are sexist, also. However, women in Brazil are, in general, far more confident of themselves, far happier, and far more creative and functional in their relationships with men than women in the United States.
Anyone wondering whether I am in a position to know about Brazilian women can reflect on the fact that I am posting this comment from Brazil. (São Paulo state)
The social breakdown in the U.S. is so advanced that often even men are hostile toward men.
I tell my wife that all the time
Mongrel News all the news that fits and froths
I have never posted Anonymous Coward before because I don't care for it. Oh, I wouldn't remove it, as it's a neccessary evil some times, but anyone looking at my history can see that I'm willing to stand up and take the heat for what I say.
With that said I'm posting anonymously here because even though I have no fear of FanBoys or Trollz, I do fear the knee jerk reaction of the brain dead that see any normal comment about women as threatening. They assume women are weak, pathetic creatures, that can't do anything for themselves, and must be saved by a male hero, which they see themselves in the staring role.
To whomever modded your comment Flamebait, they need to stop hiding and grow a pair.
Postscript: Bah! What the hell, I must love those angry faces. *unchecks Post Anoymously*
I wonder what that means about my demeanor...
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
So they had two neutral situations and an emotional one. I sure would pay more attention in a sequence with an angry face than a sequence with neutral faces. So maybe high-testosterone people are more sensible not to angry faces, but to emotional faces in general. I wonder what the results would have been if they had included faces expressing other kinds of emotions as well.
Of course, with chimps it's actually the ones that stay on the fringes and avoid the Alpha (we'll call them Chimp Geeks) that have the most sex with the females, as the Alpha & underlings are too busy and stressed about staying on the top o' the heap...
Here's the link to the actual paper:n s/ws2007pb.pdf
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~oschult/publicatio
FYI their test group was 26 males and 24 females age 18~23
They did two studies, the first was not controlled for time of day, the 2nd was.
[Fuck Beta]
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Note the face alternatives: angry, neutral, or none at all. No happy faces, puzzled faces, or any face showing any emotion other than anger. Most people -- testosterone or not -- prefer some kind of facial expression to a totally neutral one. (It indicates some recognition of their presence.) [s/angry/emotional/ from the original]
That's all this experiment shows. Which probably really just means that high-testosterone folks learn this particular kind of task faster. Testosterone is known to have an effect on brain development, so it may just be that high-T levels are just an indicator for people whose brains are already geared to learning this kind of task faster.
Sheesh.
(Doesn't surprise me though. It's been my experience -- and I worked for several years at a university doing, among other things, statistics support for grad students and profs in the social sciences -- that psychologists tend not to be very good at experiment design. Maybe not enough testosterone
-- Alastair
From TFA "Participants then worked on a "learning task" in which one complex sequence of keypresses was followed by an angry face on the screen, another sequence was followed by a neutral face, and a third sequence was followed by no face." Why did the researchers not include a happy face as well. It would be interesting to know if a happy face could induce the same learning reinforcement in the high testosterone group vs the low testosterone group.
What I find amazing about such so-called scientific reports is that they often seem to be based on a conclusion in search of a hypothesis. So, people responded most strongly to an angry face vs. a neutral face or the absence of any face (duh on the last one.) Talk about skewed! What, no happy face? What if people had reacted more strongly to that? That would have upset the conclusion just a bit.
I think the best conclusion you can draw from this is that people respond to the stimulus of an angry face vs. a neutral one because it is in an animal's nature to avoid things that might hurt them. I would sooner respond to a rock thrown at me than one just sitting on the ground, too. That doesn't necessarily mean I seek to have rocks thrown at me, does it? It's a little something called a survival instinct. Sure, there are people who are just a little bit perverse and enjoy the adrenaline rush of somebody being angry at them, but I think bringing that into the article smacks of an author who either only poorly understands their subject, or is trying too hard to make it digestable for the average person.
"Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
There is an interesting study of this phenomenon here for enyone interested.
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Why the fuck do you even need to be in a party? Is there some reason you can't evaluate each candidate and vote for the best one in each case regardless of party? Its the party system that responsible for some of the most boneheaded moves by our Congress, look the congressional voting record for the last 30+ years -- the majority of congress always votes along party lines. They vote what's good for their party not good for the country. This is so common that it is big news whenever there are "cross over" votes. It's such a pathetic state of affairs.
Do women with more than average testosterone levels also like angry faces?
-- Cheers!
I can think of another theory which would fit the results...
How about people who have higher testosterone levels get bigger (or quicker) *adrenal responses*? Did these scientists check any other hormone levels? Did they have subjects hooked up to a pulse/ox monitor? Did they check adrenal response, and/or other fight-or-flight factors, when they administered their test?
I have worked in a University psych department, and though it is not mentioned in the article, I doubt they had these subjects hooked up to so much as a *pulse/ox*. Most psychologists tend to divorce the brain from the body. It is foolish. The brain is just another organ, and we need to stop treating it like it is somehow mystically separate from the body. Especially scientists, who should be ashamed of themselves for doing so.
News flash: Your brain is hooked up to your cardiovascular system, and if that gets goosed, your brain, if it can stand the strain, is going to be more efficient.
I want to know what the subjects' heart rates were when they saw that angry face.
But rather than investigating the obvious suggestion of a physical response to negative stimulus, these dopes claim that such men ENJOY seeing an angry face instead? Malarkey. I doubt *any* subject would agree with the sentence: "I like angry faces."
I think the only goal of this study was to put down men, and how perverse we apparently are. These are politicians, not scientists, and when they collect data that may indicate that testosterone can confer limited advantage in crisis, they perversely claim that men *relish* anger, because no matter what data came back, that's what they've set out to "prove."
Of course, there is the ugly fact that MY explanation might have us reviewing the concept of female combat brigades again, and that is politically unacceptable to these "scientists."
"Guess What? Men _Are_ More Naturally Able When Confronting Hostility" (Can you imagine that headline?)
But honestly, we can give female soldiers shots of testosterone to improve their combat readiness if my theory is correct. What can we do when we draw the *wrong* conclusion: that men "enjoy" anger? Ban men? Didn't Maureen Dowd write a book about that?
God save us from politicians, and their damned lies, statistics, and correlative studies.
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Toro
Next study, "high testosterone" males more likely to shoot off angry emails without thinking!
maybe being male is actually a disease, like alcoholism.
wonder if it will be covered by insurance....
Cheney
Table-ized A.I.
Testosterone poisoning?
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Here's some real poisoning. Estrogen has been correlated with increased risk of breast cancer in pre-menopausal and menopausal women, and can highly accelerate tumor's growth if it is present.
http://www.amazon.com/Estrogen-Breast-Cancer-Warn
There are those who say this isn't true,
http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health/feeds/hsc
but a dear friend passed away from a massive tumor that developed in a mere 6 months while on estrogen therapy for menopause. She was clear of cancer earlier on, and six months later had a golf ball sized tumor that stunned her specialists. When she was put into chemotherapy, the doctor specifically put her on a drug that counters estrogen tumor enlargement, and the tumor responded dramatically to that "anti-estrogen," but the cancer had already reached her spinal fluid...
This is *real* poisoning. Be very cautious of any hormone treatment. Spread the word.
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Toro
Another horrible side effect is winning the Tour de France.
This is not funny. Someone's taken this very seriously, and though YOU and I can see it's a joke, there are many people, many of them members of NOW, who will not get it.
This is about as funny to me as a "How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" joke is to them.
The punchline? "That's not funny."
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Toro
Yeah, and my car got overrun by a car after it was showered.
Clearly clean cats attract cars, as seen by this undisputable one example proof.
Sorry, to hear your loss, but people crapping out in a few months time happens a million time a year.
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
Science proves why Barry Bonds loves to hate the press.
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The article doesn't mention what kind of people the high testosterone group was but we have a pretty good idea. To boil it all down for you nerds, if he looks like a badass, you'd better smile. If he looks wimpy, you can risk a frown. If it's a she you're probably Ok either way. So next time a big guy bullies you, just laugh it all away and keep smiling while he pounds you into submission.
As my friends have noted since long time I feel pleasure from watching angry people. Even so as when people completely loose control and start shouting and screaming, I usually start laughing.
I don't know why, but it gives me this nice feeling of focus, empowerment and a bit of a weird feeling I can't describe but 'evil calm'.
echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
I read someone that Eunuchs live longer too. And there's evidence that male sex hormones are not exactly good for you, in terms of cancer and heart disease. People have done studies where insects are gradually bred to reproduce later, and their lifespan increases.
So it wouldn't surprise me if sex hormones were some sort of Nietzschean thing where you trade off long term health (=life) for a greater chance to reproduce in the short term (=power).
Hmm, maybe it's more Faustian actually. Mind you I think Nietzshe would be appalled by this bastardisation of his ideas, misogynist geek that he was. And that cheers me up for some reason.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
Props to whoever modded the parent Informative.
... I typed :@ - how the heck did it come up as :W?
-uso.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
...is duly invoked.
In this world nothing is certain but death, taxes and flawed car analogies.
The fact that you felt you needed to explain who or what Nicolas Sarkozy is, is just really sad.
The fact that you were probably right is just infinitely sad.
Perhaps this is why many cars are coming out with "angry" lights - like the new Porsche Cayenne and many of the new Audis.
Taking my Testosterone supplement? I really like it. :)
Bobby Cannon www.sharpdeck.net
Ziggy wore pajama's on his way to extasy. joe walks his grandma. B e s t d e en hanc eme nt solution your Te $t0st eron3. I'd love to see something like this come through my email box some day. It is true that consuming large ammounts of licorice can reduce the ammount of testosterone created by the body. It does not however reduce testosterone already there. I have not found any supporting evidence that this has an affect on women however. In China the goverment suggests consumers to limit their intake of licorice to 200mg daily.
There is or can be built a machine that can simulate any physical object. -Church-Turing principle
Like that?
Testosterone is a poison now? Having too much of it is being "poisoned"?
Talk about hating men.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Ok, this article inspired me to go find a copy of "Macho, Macho Duck". I couldn't find an MP3 to download (but if someone has a link, please share). BUT, what I found along the way is not only relevant, but hilarious! The Torture Tape Experiment. Basically, the goal is to make a mix tape so awful, it drives your opponent mad. You and your opponent prepare tapes for each other, trade, listen and weep.
Now, if this isn't something that digs at the "angry face" response, I don't know what is. Imagine going all day, listening to these tracks, going insane, bolstered only by the comforting—nay, rewarding—thought of what you're doing to your opponent? Yeah.
--JoeProgram Intellivision!
...so what's your agenda?
I suppose these are the kinds of "pc" speech code word games that are played
around colleges where feminization of everything male is at the top of the
curriculum. I suppose all you have to in a college setting is lump the words
poison and testosterone together and maybe add a little rain forest defoliation
and the still impressionable crowd of young desperates to blend in and be
accepted will throttle each other to death to prove their sustainable lack
of the hormone. Out here in the real world people easily have the balls (and
thus the testosterone) to stand up to the likes of you!
I'm Jack's testosterone, I will kill you.
Extreme Programming - Redundant Array of Inexpensive Developers
by weight.
"University of Michigan Researchers": Read "Sensitive Urban Liberal Academics". —are unlikely to be able to distinguish between an angry face and a hard face.
Not surprising that hard people are attracted to other hard people at a visceral level. Maybe they'll have hard children. Could save us all in the end.
"Metrosexual?" Why make up a new word when we have a perfectly good old one: "effeminate".
I'm a Programmer. That's one level above Software Engineer and one level below Engineer.
Well, I did sumbmit it as funny. I didn't use the word poisoning in my original sumbission. The subject was originally "Yes I am trying to piss you off."
I'm just cranky because I just got done spending a couple of years of my life with major contractors who made every single job difficult. These particular guys are an assholes, and I'm sorry to say, that seems to be the rule. I also understand that in that environment, it definitely helps to be pushy and confrontational, and I was trying to be funny.
What do they have in common with internet trolls? They both seem to enjoy pissing other people off for no good reason. If I have to explain it it isn't funny. Probably not funny in the first place.
I'm used to blowing off comments about my profession (geek/sysadm/IT) and didn't think contractors would be so thin skinned.
Assembly is the reverse of disassembly.
There's a lot of talk lately on the internet, in bars and around the water cooler by men. Men are pissed. The media portrays them as fools, idiots, and ineffective bumblers led around by their gonads by strong intelligent competent women. Objective research shows that if anything, the opposite is true in the real world.
Guys should relax though - why? Because advancing technologies mean women will become obsolete and irrelevant in the next 20 years or so. Internet porn was just the first stage. Now we are seeing suits appear that allow you to have sex remotely. Visual, audio and amazingly - sensory perceptions are becoming more and more lifelike and cheaper and cheaper to make and buy. Virtual reality is progressing at such a rapid rate it's frightening. people are already seeking out their ideal sexual partners in virtual environments like 2nd Life.
The proliferation of teen girls who post themselves in sexual poses and situations to forums for boys to view shows that girls are already feeling the pressure to compete with these "virtual" ideals. Subconciously, they know what's coming.
Artificial wombs, cloning and other reproductive technologies are also developing rapidly. Gene splicing is already a mastered art. Designer children are on the way.
Androids are becoming more and more lifelike. A company is now selling sex "Real Dolls" that in all honesty can fool anyone into thinking they are real in photographs. They look and feel like a real woman.
These technologies are converging. in 20 years a steel worker in Detroit will be able to come home, and for a reasonable price be able to sit back in his easy chair, strap on some equipment and have sex with a supermodel. It will look and feel 100% real. In some ways it will be better than a real girl ever could be. No dinner, no movie, no paying 2 months salary for a ring, no bitching, no periods, no foreplay, no drama.
When all this happens, women are up shit creek. No man would ever put up with her crap if he can have a virtual/cloned/engineered/andriod girl who can be his perfect girl. If he wants a son, he can easily have one cloned/engineered without a woman involved. Real women will have to get a serious attitude adjustment or they will find themselves on the trash heap of history.
I know some will day that women could do the same thing, but market trends prove the opposite. Women want men, men want what women provide. There is a serious difference.
You do know that the reason Sly was in Australia in the first place was probably because he was on his way to Thailand to film Rambo IV -- right? (Actual new title: "John Rambo.") The topic under discussion this time is Burma, not Afghanistan. Just FYI.
Breakfast served all day!
Go pull your pud in some other thread you fucking loser. We'll mod whatever way we god damn please.
And on that note, here is a test for high testosterone:
If you find funny this video of an investigative reporter in Toronto being attacked by a furious, silly looking man, then you should atone for your sin of being born a man by attending $1000s of dollars worth of therapy sessions to convince yourself that "testosterone == bad".
Do we have nothing but idiots doing research these days? And reporting it here?
OF COURSE some people find making others angry rewarding! They're fucking primates!
Look, stupids...Primates have two reactions to their fear of others - flight or fight. They also have two basic reactions to others aggression against them: flight or fight.
In other words, when somebody is afraid of somebody else, they can either submit to them or attack them, That attack can be provoked by others aggression against them - or merely their own fear.
Further, if they can cause others to lose control by attacking them, they believe themselves to be superior because they think they are "in control" because THEY initiated the attack. If the person they're attacking reacts in fear and submission, they win. If the person they're attacking reacts with anger and retaliation, they STILL win.
Only if they end up getting their asses kicked do they lose. But even then, if it reinforces their fear of the world as legitimate, they still win - if you can call ANY of this "winning".
I call it "losing" on all counts.
This is not even Psych 101...This is neuropsychology.
Monkey-ass morons.
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
> A Side Effect of Testosterone Poisoning
>
> "With a finding that may explain Internet trolls -- or at least building contractors -- U. of
> Michigan researchers have discovered that individuals with high levels of testosterone find
> an angry face rewarding.
F***! I thought this was gonna be about bodybuilding women with giant clitorises.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Um, where did I say that? Because, unless I'm blacking out and my other personality is posting, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
And I asked you a question, which you conveniently ignored. We both know why.
You coined the term now we want to now what's your agenda? I still believe
you are from one of these colleges that work hard to feminize whatever male
concept they can so why not start with the male sexual hormone and call that
a poison.
I suppose you can get away with it on campus where lumping the words poison
and testosterone together and maybe adding a little global warming or rainforst
defoliation gets the student population all riled up. Out here in the real world
however you are not dealing with a predictable crowd of insecure youngsters
eager to please and blend. I have enough cohones (full of the hormone I assure
you) to deal with you and if that upsets you then yes... in accordance with the
theory above... I enjoy your upset.
Btw... if you're at a college and in trouble for laughing at the wrong moment
(like when someone starts to talk about testosterone poisoning) go to
http://www.thefire.org/ Foundation for Individual's Rights in Education
Participants then worked on a "learning task" in which one complex sequence of keypresses was followed by an angry face on the screen, another sequence was followed by a neutral face, and a third sequence was followed by no face.
Since the angry face was the only face showing any expression, how can you know that it was that particular expression which was rewarding? Maybe a smiling or surprised-looking face would have provided the same reward or even more. Perhaps those people with high testosterone levels just want some sort of feedback, as opposed to a neutral (i.e. 'bored') face or no face at all.
It is like doing experiments on rats and rewarding them with salty snack, tastless snack or nothing -- and concluding that their favourite is the salty snack, although they might actually prefer sweets.
Oh man, do YOU know how to party! I haven't done that kind of thing in about 6 weeks or so.
Golden showers vampire style gives me a chubber.
For real though, don't bring any goats. The bruises those hooves leave are worse than a bad case of jumper-cable nipple, knowhatimean?
*smooches*
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In your 'Testosterone poisoning' submission you came across as some
college individual with a social engineering agenda.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
I wrote this, documenting part of the social breakdown: George W. Bush comedy and tragedy. I love the U.S. and think that anyone who loves something will not abandon it when there are troubles.
Brazil has enormous social problems, it's true. But how many countries has Brazil invaded since the 2nd world war? Zero. The U.S. has invaded 24. How many people in other countries have died since the 2nd world war as a result of Brazilian government action: Maybe zero. People who have studied the situation say that, directly and indirectly, the U.S. government is responsible for the deaths of 8 to 11 million people since the end of the 2nd world war.
Another subject: I am more comfortable with U.S. women than they are with themselves, I've found. My many women friends, in the U.S. and in other countries, don't disagree with this idea, although they express it differently.
You said, "I mean, just sticking with the G8, Japan comes to mind."
You are certainly right about that. I had a Japanese woman friend, until she went back to Japan. We were interviewing each other for marriage. Her expectations were amazing.
Other Japanese friends in the U.S. say that the culture in Japan is disfunctional in other ways, also. You said, "I'd wager there are more men out there trying to convince women to have sex with other women than there are lesbians, let alone lesbians who would try that."
As long as we are wagering, I will wager that you don't have much experience with lesbians. Watch the movie "Claire of the Moon". It's a move about Lesbians made by Lesbians. Some of the women who made that movie were and are friends of mine. I attended the premiere as an invited guest.
No I didn't, you assumed it, and you still haven't answered my question.
The world isn't binary. I can disagree with both of your premises.
What question? The one where you stated without a question mark, "'Why not just admit you're a misandrist'"
No, not that question. My original question. Reading is your friend.
And you still haven't answered it, and it took you HOW LONG to even fucking try? You could have avoided making an idiot of yourself if you'd bothered to act like a non-retard in the first place.
"Unless you've made some other post somewhere, that "Why" was the first interrogative you have addressed to me."
Read the post again dumbass. I think if you get someone smarter than you to read it to you that might help.
"You are absolutely correct, I was retarded."
FYP. And it's not your fault, you can't help being retarded.