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Best Presidential Candidate for Nerds?

blast writes "Given the broad field of candidates, I was wondering who the community thinks will make the best President when it comes to representing issues Slashdot readers might care about? Eg: privacy, 'total information awareness', Internet regulation and taxation, net neutrality, copyright/patent reform, the right to read, the right to secure communications, the right to tinker. Who do you think best represents your views? "

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  1. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Al Gore

    1. Re:Simple by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      After all, he made our internet!

      (Before you answer, yes, I know it's political spin, he never said it that way. But it had to be said, so now we're over with it and can go on with the show)

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    2. Re:Simple by eln · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree. It's unfortunate that he isn't running, I think he would have a real shot. I think he would probably carry a lot of the vote that he carried in 2000, plus pick up votes from people that voted for Bush at that time and now regret it. At any rate, it would make the Democratic primary a whole lot more interesting.

      Of course, his campaign would have to bar him from using the word "lockbox" at any time.

    3. Re:Simple by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An Gore/Clinton ticket would be interesting. It'll give historians and talk show hosts something to talk about for years on end.

    4. Re:Simple by polar+red · · Score: 2, Funny

      talk show hosts something to talk about for years on end. They don't need a subject to talk about.

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    5. Re:Simple by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gore? Not even close. Gore is an entitlement vector. Like most from the Democrat side of the spectrum, he wants to take the nerd money (and everyone else's money) and spend it on pork; worse yet, he'd push the mommy government even deeper into it's trend of legislating against consensual, victimless, informed actions. He's your 2nd worst nightmare.

      Ron Paul is by far the candidate that not only represents the "nerd", but also the actual basis for the government, the constitution. The only thing a president can really do (legitimately) is fool with foreign policy, and Paul isn't the least interested in making war on anyone - check out his positions. If we could get a congress that had actually read and understood the constitution (not to mention a supreme court), then you'd really have something.

      But we all know what's going to happen: Middle america will elect Yet Another Corporate Hack from one of the two Corporate Sets of Well Financed Hacks, and nothing will change. It'll be just like the Democrats "taking over congress". Tons of promises, but are we out of Iraq? No. Are there *any* legislative signs we're going to be? No. Do we have any relief from Bush's illegal wiretapping and "signing statements" and pandering to Haliburton and crew? No.

      If you really want improvement, cast your vote for Ron Paul. It won't be wasted, because as the Democrats have just shown us, there are no differences between mainstream moneyed candidates... so it won't make a bit of difference where your vote goes if you vote for anyone else. After all, we can't have Bush again. Unless he makes another illegal executive order, of course.

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    6. Re:Simple by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, his campaign would have to bar him from using the word "lockbox" at any time.


      Yes, they should take that word and put it somewhere it can't be used. Somewhere safe. I'm not sure what you'd call such a place...
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    7. Re:Simple by stinerman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree with respect to Ron Paul. I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool socialist until I saw how bad government can get when your guys aren't running the place. Maturity and George W. Bush have taught me that less is more.

      I'm still quite the socialist*, but my view of the constitution is originalist. Many federal programs that I think are just fine are, unfortunately, not constitutional. The states should be running these programs as they see fit, not the feds. Realistically, conservatives want Dennis Kucinich and Barbara Lee having as little say in their lives as possible. Similarly, I want Orrin Hatch and James Inhofe having very little say in my life. The best way to do this is to return power to the states where it rightly belongs.

      *I actually identify as a "states' rights liberal" if there is such a thing.

    8. Re:Simple by Workaphobia · · Score: 5, Informative

      Did you even see "An Inconvenient Truth"? They had this staged conversation on his cellphone as he was typing at his computer. As the conversation became more dramatic towards the end, he positioned his finger over a key and at the right climactic moment, pressed it. The key was the spacebar.

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    9. Re:Simple by ThisNukes4u · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. Put the social programs closer to the people so that those running them are more accountable and the people have a greater say in which are provided and how it is done.

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    10. Re:Simple by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree - with the proviso that we have immigration policies between states.

    11. Re:Simple by Kymermosst · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure, every democrat has to sell his sole during primaries.

      They sell the bottom of their feet? I thought most Democrat candidates were a bit off, but that's just weird.

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    12. Re:Simple by gujo-odori · · Score: 2, Informative

      Debt contracted under Clinton for two reasons:

      1) A booming economy, brought about in part by Republican-sponsored tax cuts

      2) A House and Senate both controlled by the opposition, which forced him to do things that he otherwise would not be inclined to do, such as be relatively fiscally responsible.

      That last one, especially, was key. Clinton would have been a flop as president if not for a hostile congress. Even with one, he still wasn't very good. The current Bush would be a flop as president with out an external enemy. Even with one, he's still not very good in most areas. His one saving grace is that he's a relatively effective war leader. I say relatively because while he has shown he has the moxie to take the fight to the enemy, he doesn't have the moxie (or the correct advice, maybe) to take the fight to the enemy in the way that FDR, and Truman after him, did. That is the kind of war leader we really need.

      That said, you're mostly right about Republicans and fiscal conservatism. The only thing almost as bad as a Democrat is a typical Republican :(

      I live in California, and the governator may call himself a Republican, but he acts far more like a Democrat. Liberal Republicans are nearly indistinguishable from Democrats. I've had it with both of them.

      Among the current crop of candidates, I have no real confidence that any of them are cut from that bolt of cloth, with the possible exception of Rudy G.

    13. Re:Simple by The+Rizz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, there's both view on both sides of the political spectrum. Some conservatives want big government (as the current administration does), while other conservatives want small government (libertarians). Effectively, big government = federal rule, and small government = states rights.

      Liberals are the same way - there are those who want the federal government to stay out of their lives and primarily be involved in regulating businesses, dealing with other countries, etc. Then there are the liberals who want the "mommy society", as a previous poster put it - i.e. the federal government regulating everything that could conceivably be considered harmful in any way.

    14. Re:Simple by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Funny

      We'll have a halibut time.

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    15. Re:Simple by stinerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed it was. That doesn't change the fact that they are unconstitutional.

      The problem when you ignore the constitution for "good" programs, you must also ignore the constitution for "bad" programs. Either the feds have the power or they don't. We don't get to pick and choose when they do based on which party is in control of the legislature.

    16. Re:Simple by stinerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually states' rights is the belief of the minority party in the legislature.

      Everyone falls back on "leave it to the states" when they have no power to affect the change at the national level. Once they get in power, sticking up for states' rights falls by the wayside.

      We can see this in action with respect to the Republican party. They were for states' rights for most of the 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s. That was because they were the minority party during those years in the House. They gained control in '95 and made the transformation to "big government conservatism" right around 2000 (if not before).

    17. Re:Simple by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Don't you think the duplication of bureaucracy among the states is a waste of taxpayer money?

      No. For instance, what works for New York State, a verdant, wet and well populated region, will not work for Montana; we have other environmental issues. Socially, we're also different: Actions taken legally in Connecticut (for instance, that the state can steal your property under eminent domain for the basically evil purpose of getting more tax revenue out of it), are 100% illegal in Montana for the specific reason that we have our own bureaucracy and they aren't quite as batshit insane as those legislators abusing the citizens of Connecticut. Texans can't sell sex toys (poor bastards), but we can. In some states, atheists can't hold public office. Unbelievable, but 100% true. Please keep both the feds and your own state's ideas far, far, away — really, if you want these laws, by all means, but keep them to yourselves. I'm sure you don't want our idea of what is good law forced on you, either. People significantly differ in outlook by region for both social and practical geographical reasons.

      State's rights are critically important, likewise it is important that we stop the feds from illegitimately taking over everything they put their nasty little fingers on. Take a look at what they've done with the commerce clause if you want to see just how out of their tiny little minds they are.

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    18. Re:Simple by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      'I agree - with the proviso that we have immigration policies between states.'

      If by that you free the free and unfettered ability to travel and move residence between states then I agree. After all, it defeats the point if one can't move away from states with bad policies and into states with good policies.

    19. Re:Simple by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      After all, it defeats the point if one can't move away from states with bad policies and into states with good policies.

      It also removes a useful remedial effect: States with bad policies would see a population (and revenue) drop, while states with good policies would see gains. This would tend to send a wake up call to the worse states, which would act, based on economic pressure, to adjust the bad policies to be more in line with what people actually want. The more homogenous the states are, the less leverage the citizens have. Voting with your wallet (and your feet) is a great way to say "no thanks, buddy" to politicians that are out of control. With the feds running everything (and they pretty much are trying to), the differences erode and the citizen's power to force change with their feet/wallet erodes at the same time.

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    20. Re:Simple by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Either the feds have the power or they don't.

      Oh, they have power, all right. They out and out stole it. What they don't have is authority. More to the point, there is provision in the constitution for making any changes that the country agrees are needed. This removes any possible justification for the feds acting outside the constituting authority (and I am sure the authors of the constitution knew this full well.) Most federal activities are 100% illegitimate by definition, because no law that violates constitutional boundaries (enumeration of federal powers on the one hand, rights of the people and the states on the other) can be legitimate. Enforcement is based upon power, not authority, because the only legitimate authority the feds have, or ever had, is that delegated to them by the constitution. Either they are going to obey it, and be legitimate, or they are not, and no one thing in the constitution is safe from abuse, which is exactly where we are now.

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    21. Re:Simple by bughouse26 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is wrong on so many levels. 1. Clinton's tax cuts occurred in 1993 when Democrats had control of Congress and the white house. Republicans did not win the house until 1994. In fact, the plan did not have a single Republican vote on it. Google "1993 Economic Plan". Even So, I have no idea what you're talking about. Even Paul Volcker, Fed Reserve Chairman under Reagon, credits Clinton for slashing defecits. 2. Again, this did not occur until 1994. So, please stop pretending Democrats can't control the purse and Republicans can. This popular myth hasn't been true for the last 35 years.

    22. Re:Simple by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ron Paul is different. Check his congressional voting record. Go on. I dare you. It doesn't even slightly resemble any Demopublican or Republicrat you could possibly name. Then check his web site for his stated positions, and compare them to his voting record. You're in for a heck of a surprise. The man isn't evil at all. I don't agree with every position he holds, but the vast majority, I do. Furthermore, they actually are his positions and he actually votes his positions. It'd be a total mindf*ck to have a politician in the white house who made every effort to be reasonable, honest, and true to the constitutional basis of their job. Go on, check him out. I know you haven't, because even if you completely disagreed with the man, you'd never compare him to the run of the mill candidate. You'd have to disagree with him for entirely new reasons. :)

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    23. Re:Simple by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, I am. These states: AR, MA, MD, NC, PA, SC, TN and TX all have such provisions. See this page.

      Amazing, isn't it?

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    24. Re:Simple by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless you're referring to the US Senator from New York, can't be done; you can't be VP unless you're qualified to be President, and after serving two terms he's no longer qualified.

    25. Re:Simple by kwiqsilver · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The South Carolina state constitution requires that candidates for governor believe in God (it doesn't require Christianity or any specific religion). An atheist professor from the College of Charelston sued to try to get his name on the ballot back in the '90s, but I think he lost.

      But if you don't like that type of culture...move. I did.

      I believe in States' Rights, Nullification, and all those other crazy* Jeffersonian philosophies.

      * Crazy to people raised in the post-Lincoln, centralized USA.

    26. Re:Simple by stinerman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Those laws are on the books, but I doubt they'd pass constitutional muster. Of course, that provision won't be tested anytime soon because of this poll:

      Gallup. 2/9-11. Adults. MoE 3% (no trend lines)
      If your party nominated a well-qualified Candidate For WH '08 who was _, would you vote for that person?

      Yes No
      Catholic 95% 4%
      Black 94 5
      Jewish 92 7
      A woman 88 11
      Hispanic 87 12
      Mormon 72 24
      Married for third time 67 30
      72 years old 57 42
      A homosexual 55 43
      An atheist 45 53

      Remember, even if you're well qualified, if you don't believe in the man in the sky, you aren't going to win an election.

    27. Re:Simple by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Like it or not, the constitution does give the government the right to tax and regulate commerce.

      The constitution says, in article 1, section 8, paragraph 3, (emphasis mine):

      To regulate Commerce... among the several States

      It does not say:

      To regulate Commerce... within the several States

      The supreme court has ruled that "among" essentially means "within" because (ready?) anything that happens "within" could have happened "among."

      Seriously. Look it up.

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    28. Re:Simple by SuperStretchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In a way I think it reflects the idea of a higher authority that they are accountable for. A catholic isn't going to commit genocide because he/she knows that there will be a reckoning one day.

      That's not to say that atheists are going to start another holocaust, but its all a matter of subconscious public perception.

    29. Re:Simple by frostoftheblack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think a lot of libertarians would be mighty offended by you calling them conservatives. Libertarians, are, by defenition, socially liberal, and fiscally conservative. Many get lumped into the republican camp, but just as many vote democrat because of the social issues.

      Right on. As a libertarian, I'm not offended at all if you call me a 'conservative.' It's probably because I'm more likely to vote Republican than Dem if I had to choose between the two. But libertarians really are liberals! Though in today's society, we call them 'classical liberals' because liberal means something different today. Classical liberal ideas like those of Locke and Jefferson are most manifested in the Libertarian party today, I think.

      All depends on your perspective again. People ask me if I'm conservative or liberal...I'd say "Both and neither!"

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    30. Re:Simple by Brad1138 · · Score: 2

      An atheist 45 53

      Remember, even if you're well qualified, if you don't believe in the man in the sky, you aren't going to win an election.


      I can't believe how gullible and ignorant so many people are. If you don't believe in a character from a 2000+ yr old book you are somehow less of a person. What a load of BS.

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    31. Re:Simple by doug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "Clinton Years" actually started under Bush 41. And then Clinton got to ride the boom of the 90s. He was lucky to be at the right place at the right time. Reagan had the same sort of thing coming after the stagflation of the Carter era. Please be realistic here: The President has a lot of influence on the economy, but it isn't like he directly controls it. Mostly it is luck and timing. And whomever is in the white house gets the credit or the blame. Did Hoover really do all that much to cause the Great Depression, or was he just the one in office when the house of cards came tumbling down? It sucks, but that is how it works.

      That said, as much as I dislike Clinton, for better or worse, the economy was good during his tenure. He didn't upset the apple cart (although he did try with pharmaceuticals), and the rising tide lifted all boats. Since he happened to be in office at the time, he gets the credit. Since prolonged growth like in the 90s is unreasonable, his successor (GW) was left in a difficult position. GW's idealism led to his budget cuts, which left the Feds short on cash. This coupled with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan hurt. Decreased income while incurring major expenses is never a good thing.

    32. Re:Simple by Lendrick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If only it were *really* that simple. I personally have a lot of respect for Ron Paul, despite disagreeing with him on many things. But neither Ron Paul nor Al Gore would (currently) be able to affect the changes nerds want. Not because they don't want to, but because it's up to Congress to make and repeal laws. A president makes a great figurehead, but if nerds want to be represented, they need to start replacing their representatives, which is a long and slow process, if it's even possible at all. Nerds would essentially have to band together and gain a *majority* in a significant fraction of the 50 states and 435 districts. Let me know when we get started on that.

    33. Re:Simple by SuperStretchy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you just skim over this hoping for a mod up by spamming wiki? "but as a school boy he rejected Catholicism"

    34. Re:Simple by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They don't need a majority, they just need to control what would be the majority. The difference is that with both houses split the way they are, ten representatives total could determine if something passes or not. And if it isn't anything that effects nerds, then it is in house political favor time. "I will vote on this if there was something to take care of this issue we have been having" and boom, It gets past, the stuff was done and there isn't a majority of anything.

      Some things they would support normally, but when there is the threat of losing the vote, they hold out and make a change then come home bragging. If conditions persist with the houses being split this close, hope is not lost or even far away. Now more then ever could an independent make a difference.

    35. Re:Simple by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you read the link he provided, About ot the bottom, there is a section about them being enforcible. It turns out they are left in for historic reasons and the US constitution trumps them. Also the supreme court ruled on a majority of them already and nullified any relevance to them.

    36. Re:Simple by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem if there is nothing restricting someone from shopping/paying taxes in a low tax/low service state and enjoying benefits, better public education and health services in a high tax/high services state. There already is some of that in areas in which a state with low property taxes but high sales or income taxes borders a state with high property tax but low sales or income taxes.

    37. Re:Simple by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tell that to Hitler. He was Catholic.

      No the Pope was Catholic. Hitler shat in the woods.

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    38. Re:Simple by optimus2861 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That isn't what your constitution says. Bill Clinton, and any other two-term elected president, is constitutionally barred from being elected president. That's all that the 22nd amendment says. He isn't barred from holding any other elected office, including vice president, or ascending to the presidency by some other means. (Say he ran for Congress, got elected Speaker, and then the P & VP both die. He's next in line, he takes over.)

    39. Re:Simple by vivIsel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is a misrepresentation. It is true that the commerce clause has expanded significantly. It is not true that that expansion rests on hypotheticals.

      The reason much 'intra-state' commerce isn't really 'intra-state' is that although one face of it takes place in a given state, that face would be impossible without huge quantities of national commerce which are regulated explicitly under the commerce clause. If your restaurant services travelers on the interstate, you not only participate in the national economy by serving out-of-state guests, but you surely get almost all of your goods by way of the external economy, not local growers. You are only facially a part of the state economy--in reality, you're engaging in massive amounts of interstate commerce!

      You may not like it that commerce has become integrated across states since..oh, 1789. But it has, and it's unacceptable for the residents of one state to be able to perpetrate their laws, fair or otherwise, on those of another. That's what happens in an inter-state economy, and that's why the commerce clause has broadened. Not because of some potential for trade elsewhere. Your post is a distortion.

  2. It hardly matters, now, does it. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With the existing electoral system, only those in swing states matter. Most of the other votes are essentially discarded.

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    1. Re:It hardly matters, now, does it. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually that is not true. The votes in the swing states are divided approaching evenly between parties. That means the candidates have to work hard for any undecided's. In the non-swing states, the votes count just as much, sometimes more, but everyone knows who the overwhelming majority are going to vote for. If we got rid of the electoral college, only the votes of people in high population states would count. If it is simple majority of votes, who gives a s$$t about Alaska voters, there are probably more undecided's in Chicago than all the voters in Alaska (and certainly more in the greater metropolitan Chicago area). The biggest problem with our Presidential elections is that all the media really pays attention to is the "horse race", who's ahead in the polls, who's gaining ground who's losing ground. The news media don't really tell you about a candidates stand on an issue unless it is one they care about, and even then they distort the position. Sometimes they distort to make a candidates position seem closer to the ideal, sometimes further away. I remember one election (state or local), candidate A thought the priorities should be: Item 1, Item 2, Item 3, Item 4, Item 5; candidate B thought the priorities should be: Item 1, Item 2, Item 3, Item 5, Item 4. The local press all reported "Candidate A is opposed to Item 5, Candidate B favors it".

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    2. Re:It hardly matters, now, does it. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are overlooking something here, the electoral college is not composed of votes, it is composed of delegates. Each state gets a certain number of delegates. How those delegates are chosen is left up to the various state legislatures. The Constitution doesn't even call for a vote by the people for the President. That was the intention of the Founding Fathers. That states would determine who they wanted to vote for the President for them. Under the Constitution, the delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate they ran as supporting. The states select delegates to the electoral college, who then gather and select the next President.

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  3. Tubes by prod-you · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ted Stevens, he understands that the Internet is not like a big truck

  4. Right. by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Given the broad field of candidates, I was wondering who the community thinks will make the best President when it comes to representing issues Slashdot readers might care about?


    Because, as all the political threads on Slashdot show, Slashdot readers care about the same issues, and all lean toward the same side of each of those issues.

  5. None of them by EEPROMS · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please check the box for the candidate you wish to support.

    Republican Stooge [ ]
    Democrat Stooge [ ]
    Some Wacko Independant [ ]
    Non of the above [X]

    1. Re:None of them by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm all for Anarchy! What this country needs is a tough, strong Anarch with an iron fist!

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    2. Re:None of them by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Informative
      who's the lesser of however-many-evils-are-running?

      Ron Paul - hands down.

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  6. What gives you the impression either would be? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's be honest, folks: We're a minority. Not in the sense this word has to day, but really: We're a small group and thus we don't exist for politicians.

    What would make us happy?

    For example net neutrality. Net neutrality pisses off some money pumpers, though, and the general population doesn't care. Will we get it?

    For example, no longer blaming computer games for violence. But it's a cheap scapegoat and it makes overcareful and ignorant parents happy, and it's a cheap excuse not to change a thing about education or social issues. Not blaming games cost more money and votes than blaming them.

    For example, if the mafiaa didn't get whatever laws they want handed to them. Though, we're the only ones caring, there's a lot of money coming from them, so... see first example.

    Do I have to go on?

    Face it, as long as we don't ship more geeks into the US from somewhere, we won't get jack from either side of the political spectrum. We don't count.

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    1. Re:What gives you the impression either would be? by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We aren't even a we.

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    2. Re:What gives you the impression either would be? by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's be honest, folks: We're a minority. Not in the sense this word has to day, but really: We're a small group and thus we don't exist for politicians.


      Wrong. Slashdot is a group that doesn't (as a group) have clear priorities, communicate them to politicians, and give lots of money to political campaigns based on them, therefore as a group it doesn't exist to politicians.

      Lots of small groups have extraordinary influence, politically, in this country.
    3. Re:What gives you the impression either would be? by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's be honest, folks: We're a minority. Not in the sense this word has to day, but really: We're a small group and thus we don't exist for politicians.

      Nobody exists for politicians. They serve at our pleasure.

      Don't vote for someone because the polls said they'd win.

      Don't vote for someone because they look good.

      Don't vote for someone because they say catchy things.

      Don't vote for someone simply because they're incumbent.

      Don't vote for someone because they promise you something, because they're not paying for it: we are.

      Vote for someone because you think they represent you. Your primary concern, for example, with any incumbent - is how good a representative they've been.

    4. Re:What gives you the impression either would be? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And most of all, judge them by their deeds, not their words. I have met so many people who listen to the spin and the promises, forgetting immediately what they have done the past 4 years.

      Judge them by what they do. Choose your candidate by his past record, not by his promises for the future, for words can lie, acts cannot.

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    5. Re:What gives you the impression either would be? by CleverNickName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And for the love of zombie jesus, don't vote for someone because you'd like to have a beer with him . . . we all know how that turned out.

    6. Re:What gives you the impression either would be? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lots of small groups have extraordinary influence, politically, in this country.

      Squeaky wheel gets the oil and all that. Some groups have influence that is far out of proportion to their actual value to society. Personally, I think we need to form a Slashdot Geek Squad and send some of the more literate and charismatic members among us to Washington to properly educate our lawmakers on these important technical and scientific issues.

      Always assuming that such a thing as a literate, charismatic Slashdotter actually exists.

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  7. The obligatory candidate by tomson · · Score: 5, Funny

    CowboyNeal for president!

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  8. I won't vote as a geek by astrashe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With everything that's going on now, I can't imagine putting geek issues on top of my list when I pick a candidate.

  9. Ron Paul! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The obvious choice for anyone who values liberty. Tag it: ronpaul

    1. Re:Ron Paul! by jrsumm · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll take a stab at actually guesssing what Ron Paul's views on this are. No, I didn't read his website specifically looking for this so I could be wrong, this is just based on what I know of his philosophy and voting record.

      privacy/total information awareness: He is as much a privacy nut a the biggest nut job here. Essentially, since the US Constitution does not explicitly grant the federal government the power to collect the data then the government does not have that power. Period. A little more unclear is his opinion on states/corporations gathering information. Corps first... my take on it is that even though he would be apalled by the practice, corporations are private entities and so the government should not prohibit then from collecting data. I really don't want to hazard a guess as to his views on state governments collecting and using data. Obviously he's opposed to it, but whether the feds should prohibit it... you'll just have to ask him.

      Internet regulation and taxation: This one's easy. He's opposed to it. Period. Never voted for a tax in his life. Note that since the constitution grants the feds power to regulate interstate commerce, the question is not purely consitutional. It also means he would have no problem prohibitting states from enacting thier own taxes.(I am supposoing here...)

      net neutrality: This one has me stumped. On one hand, he would support the rights of providers to run their business the way they see fit. On the other hand, they are usually government granted monopolies which he opposed. I'll have to look into this...

      copyright/patent reform: This one is the one that he would disagree with most slashdotters on. While I am sure he would agree tate the current patent office is broken, I am pretty sure he will conceptually side with patent holders on this one.

      the right to read: Not sure what is really meant by this? Talking about censorship perhaps? If so, then he is most certainly opposed to all forms of censorship.

      the right to secure communications: I am pretty sure he would see this as a free speach issue, so yes he would be in favor of it.

      the right to tinker: Pretty sure he would support this as well, despite the patent/copyright implications. At least so long it is for personal use. But this is a guess on my part.

      There are things I disagree with Ron Paul on, especially his anti-immigration stances, but overall he is the one I agree with the most. I even changed my affiliation to Republican(from unaffiliated) so that I could vote for him in the primary. Do I think it would be best if he did win... not sure. But I know we need a lot more people like him in office so that maybe, a generation or two from now, we'll have the same rights we used to. It will take that long.

    2. Re:Ron Paul! by randall_burns · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, Libertarians typically support _the_ major form of corporate welfare-loose immigration. Ron Paul is an exception on that point(he leans towards tighter immigration rules).

      The thing is that citizenship rights are a form of property. If you allow immigrants that don't maintain the property values, you dilute the value of citizenship.

      The US gets 10 Million immigration application each year-and takes less than a million legally. If those immigration rights were auctioned off, they'd go for at least $100K in today's market. The current level of entitlements-that libertarians like Charles Murray agree should be maintained is about $10K/year for each adult citizen. What is that worth long term(remember your kids and grandkids get that too)? I'd argue it is worth at lest $300K.

  10. Bloomberg by janneH · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Assuming he runs - it must be Bloomberg. I have heard from people that have met him that he is a total computer geek - and really understands technology.

  11. Old Soviet Russian joke by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sad but true, it applies...

    Someone broke into a party bureau. But no damage was done, all that's missing is the manifest and the election results of the next 10 years.

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  12. Isn't there bigger fish to fry? by w3woody · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate to say this, but given the fact that the Commander In Chief is constitutionally responsible for things like dealing with the Iraq War (either waging or withdrawing, as your political leanings indicate), increasing or decreasing the federal government's footprint in things like military spending, the public safety net, drugs, energy and oil, foreign policy, government reform, immigration, infrastructure, etc., etc., etc., etc., isn't asking about technologically-specific issues sort of like arguing over the color of the china on the Titanic?

    I mean, beyond setting policy which encourages economic growth, mindful to development issues such as environmental policy, who cares about a Presidential candidate's opinion about relatively minor stuff?

  13. Ron Paul by John+Nowak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A very clear choice -- He has stated repeatedly that he does not want to regulate the internet in any way. (Most of his other views, immigration not withstanding, are sensible as well.)

    1. Re:Ron Paul by ThisNukes4u · · Score: 2, Informative

      I 100% agree, although I admit he has a very slim chance of winning the republican nomination, at least he was smart and ran as a republican where he could not be denied access to the debates and at least got some minor media coverage. Overall, I think hes done a good job and should be commended. That said, since he likely won't be on the final ballot, I'll probably be voting libertarian or writing in Ron Paul.

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    2. Re:Ron Paul by eric76 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll take Ron Paul over any other candidate.

      In fact, the only potential major party candidate I would vote for is Ron Paul.

    3. Re:Ron Paul by cyberkahn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, I am in for Ron Paul. Not only for Internet issues, but because he actually believes in the Constitution and Habeas Corpus.

    4. Re:Ron Paul by geekoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If only he would explain how he plans to provide services for society and cut taxes.

      Cutting taxes, or raising taxes, is not an immediatly good thing.

      Here is an idea, figure out what service you will cut, and after cutting them see if the tax revenue is greater then the nations expenses*, then cut taxes.
      Doing it any other way cuts road, schools, and emergency services, but leaves pork barrel.

      I would prefer a build up of cash first, say a trillion dollars. In a crisis, like Katrina, the money can quickly be allocated and sent to where it needs.

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    5. Re:Ron Paul by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ron Paul was totally against giving any money for Katrina--it's not the (national) Government's job.

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    6. Re:Ron Paul by psykocrime · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't fathom this slashdot fascination with "net neutrality." If a provider spends millions or billions of dollars on
      fiber optic cable, routers, etc... why the heck shouldn't they be allowed to sell different qualities of service and charge
      differently for them? Shouldn't a VOIP provider who needs lower latency to avoid jitter, be able to sign up for
      a connection designed for VOIP?

      For that matter, we *already* have a tiered system of selling bandwidth... you get a T1, that's not too expensive, but you only get 1.544MB of bandwidth... you need more, you pay bigger money for a T3, etc. Allowing ISP's to use QOS tools is not this big evil everybody is making it out to be.

      And personally, I trust the free market to handle issues like this a lot better than government intervention.

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    7. Re:Ron Paul by Scudsucker · · Score: 2, Informative

      If a provider spends millions or billions of dollars on
      fiber optic cable, routers, etc... why the heck shouldn't they be allowed to sell different qualities of service and charge differently for them?


      They already do. Any broadband ISP sells different connections of various speeds and reliability. What net neutrality is about, is preventing isp's from crippling internet access to sites that don't fork over a blackmail fee. As to why they shouldn't be able to do this, is because A) they've been given a lot of tax breaks and subsidies to do so, and B) because their lines run across public and private land. Once they start paying rent on all those lines, they can whine about the "millions of dollars" they spend on equipment.

  14. The Libertarian candidate by Meor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No question.

    1. Re:The Libertarian candidate by sarysa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fellow libertarian here, but there's one really tough question we need to ask your libertarian candidate. And that question is: Who are you? We need a libertarian candidate who's a self-made billionaire and can fund their own campaign.

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    2. Re:The Libertarian candidate by maxume · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perot was close enough to what you describe to demonstrate that, no, that isn't the solution.

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  15. Cthulhu by ehaggis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cthulhu. "Why vote for a lesser evil?"

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  16. Easy - Congressman Ron Paul by transporter_ii · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A person running that actually has enough integrity to stand behind what he says. Don't think you could say that about another person running...period.

    Transporter_ii

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  17. No, there is another: by BillGatesLoveChild · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mitch Kapor, I choose you! http://www.pbs.org/cringely/nerdtv/transcripts/006 .html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Kapor

    Al Gore should be offered a position in the administration: It would be a shame to waste all those PowerPoint and 3DSMAX skills. Plus the guy can take out a rowdy student with a laser pointer at 500 yards.

    Bill Gates? Nay Bill. His first act would be to make all schools buy Microsoft, and recast the 'Best viewed with Internet Explorer' errors on all Government web sites. Then NASA would be forced to rewrite all their software in .NET. And we'd have to listen to him say "Cool" a lot. "Cool" is a cool word, but every time I hear Bill Gates use it the word dies a little.

  18. Re:Duh by eln · · Score: 2, Funny

    I intend to vote for Kodos. That way, no one can blame me.

  19. Barack Obama. by Inakizombie · · Score: 2

    Barack Obama.

    1. Re:Barack Obama. by zullnero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The saddest thing about that joke is how many people take such an inane thing seriously. If you were given a name that sounded like Hitler, should that also prevent someone from running for president? I don't get how many sheep can actually take that seriously. I guess that's the 50% "less than 100 IQ" folks that comprise our citizenship for ya.

      The thing I like about Obama is that unlike most of these other candidates (and I include Ron Paul), he doesn't have to thump his chest about technical friendliness. However, one of the first things he did was to pass legislation to fund the establishment of a website that allows taxpayers to see where all their taxpayer dollars are going. He's said that networking the middle of this country, instead of primarily the coastal regions where property values are insane, is a priority of his. His online and grassroots support base is pretty seriously potent, and most of that was built up with a strong online presence (most of these politicians think that all they have to do is put a few of their ads up on the YouTube, and presto, they'll be huge). Granted, much of that has been facilitated by having saavy people onboard, but it takes one to spot the talent.

      Of course, you can get onboard with a libertarian like Ron Paul, and you can put your faith in corporations to reduce their greenhouse emissions. Generally, they're usually focused on skimping and saving cash in order to placate some shareholders, and not so focused on spending more to do something good for the rest of us, but hey, maybe we could all get REAL lucky.

    2. Re:Barack Obama. by Scudsucker · · Score: 2

      If you were trying to run a small business during the Carter years, inflation was enough to kill you.

      Pfft. Just because his speeches trying to raise the country's spirits were about as uplifting as a lead balloon does not mean inflation was his fault. OPEC caused inflation, not Carter. Not only that, it was his administration that did the hard work in fighting it, just as it was his administration that negotiated the release of the hostages in Iran.

      IMO Carter was honest and meant well, but he'd give away the farm to anyone who looked needy enough, and he'd help the rest of the world before helping Americans.

      Yawn. Don't be such a Scrooge, foreign aid is a trickle compared to defense spending. And aside from not shutting on the door to people dying of starvation, disease, or war, more stable countries equals more customers for our products. As for not helping Americans, he pushed consumer protection laws, consolidating and reducing government agencies, urban renewal, and of course Habitat for Humanity. But asshats were ready to lynch him because he suggested putting on a sweater to reduce energy use.

  20. RON PAUL by ThomasFlip · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is the best candidate for the U.S. Nerds... well he's popular on the net. BTW the entire world should be supporting this guy as well. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

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  21. My thoughts. by macsox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that, while it is interesting and important to understand how a candidate feels on issues of interest to you, it is critical to understand two things.

    1. No candidate, ever, will share the same views as you.
    2. Determining who should be President based on such specific things as their stand on copyrights is an extremely bad idea.

    If American society has really become so striated that this is the most important issue to middle- and upper-middle-class white men in their 30s and 40s, then we're really in trouble.

    Please. I beg of you. Consider these issues as, to use a universally understood analogy, the flair on the uniform of a candidate. Worry about economic disparity. Worry about who will or won't lie their way into a war. If a candidate promised me that he or she would introduce national single-payer healthcare, address the rapidly increasing disparity between rich and poor (and uber-rich and rich), and would put the lives of our troops above proving a point, I could live with four to eight more years of vapidity and short-sightedness in terms of DRM.

  22. There is only one... by Maljin+Jolt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Zaphod Beeblebrox for president!

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  23. Re:Ok, but elaborate about Al Gore by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dont forget that he's on the board of Apple. He's also an unofficial advisor to google and cofounded something called Current TV which I'd never heard of before, but looks like youtube. Are there even any other politicians as tech saavy as he is, much less one that is hoped to be running for president?

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  24. Ron Paul - Voted Against Patriot Act! by transporter_ii · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A thing to note on Ron Paul, too, is that he is one of the few who voted against the Patriot Act and against Internet regulation. A few other nice things about him:

    Paul unites opposition to the war and the police state at home across the entire political spectrum...

    Brief Overview of Congressman Paul's Record
    He has never voted to raise taxes.
    He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
    He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
    He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
    He has never taken a government-paid junket.
    He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
    He voted against the Patriot Act.
    He voted against regulating the Internet.
    He voted against the Iraq war.

    He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
    He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

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    1. Re:Ron Paul - Voted Against Patriot Act! by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Informative

      He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.


      This is, in fact, untrue. Congressman Paul has voted for numerous criminal laws, including the federal ban on dilation & extraction ("Partial Birth") abortions. Every criminal law increases the discretionary power of the executive branch, since it can choose to prosecute or not (or to pardon or not) any criminal offense. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is probably debated best case-by-case on each particular law, but that's not the claim being advanced.

  25. Ron Paul vs. Rudy on the Iraq War by transporter_ii · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is an interesting piece (source WND) on Ron Paul in the debate and his true comments about the war:

    But who was right - Rudy or Ron?
    Posted: May 18, 2007
    1:00 a.m. Eastern

    It was the decisive moment of the South Carolina debate.

    Hearing Rep. Ron Paul recite the reasons for Arab and Islamic resentment of the United States, including 10 years of bombing and sanctions that brought death to thousands of Iraqis after the Gulf War, Rudy Giuliani broke format and exploded:

    "That's really an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of 9-11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I have ever heard that before, and I have heard some pretty absurd explanations for Sept. 11.

    "I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us what he really meant by it."

    The applause for Rudy's rebuke was thunderous - the sound bite of the night and best moment of Rudy's campaign.

    After the debate, on Fox News' "Hannity and Colmes," came one of those delicious moments on live television. As Michael Steele, GOP spokesman, was saying that Paul should probably be cut out of future debates, the running tally of votes by Fox News viewers was showing Ron Paul, with 30 percent, the winner of the debate.

    Brother Hannity seemed startled and perplexed by the votes being text-messaged in the thousands to Fox News saying Paul won, Romney was second, Rudy third and McCain far down the track at 4 percent.

    "I would ask the congressman to ... tell us what he meant," said Rudy.

    A fair question and a crucial question.

    When Ron Paul said the 9-11 killers were "over here because we are over there," he was not excusing the mass murderers of 3,000 Americans. He was explaining the roots of hatred out of which the suicide-killers came.

    Lest we forget, Osama bin Laden was among the mujahedeen whom we, in the Reagan decade, were aiding when they were fighting to expel the Red Army from Afghanistan. We sent them Stinger missiles, Spanish mortars, sniper rifles. And they helped drive the Russians out.

    What Ron Paul was addressing was the question of what turned the allies we aided into haters of the United States. Was it the fact that they discovered we have freedom of speech or separation of church and state? Do they hate us because of who we are? Or do they hate us because of what we do?

    Osama bin Laden in his declaration of war in the 1990s said it was U.S. troops on the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia, U.S. bombing and sanctions of a crushed Iraqi people, and U.S. support of Israel's persecution of the Palestinians that were the reasons he and his mujahedeen were declaring war on us.

    Elsewhere, he has mentioned Sykes-Picot, the secret British-French deal that double-crossed the Arabs who had fought for their freedom alongside Lawrence of Arabia and were rewarded with a quarter century of British-French imperial domination and humiliation.

    Almost all agree that, horrible as 9-11 was, it was not anarchic terror. It was political terror, done with a political motive and a political objective.

    What does Rudy Giuliani think the political motive was for 9-11?

    Was it because we are good and they are evil? Is it because they hate our freedom? Is it that simple?

    Ron Paul says Osama bin Laden is delighted we invaded Iraq.

    Does the man not have a point? The United States is now tied down in a bloody guerrilla war in the Middle East and increasingly hated in Arab and Islamic countries where we were once hugely admired as the first and greatest of the anti-colonial nations. Does anyone think that Osama is unhappy with what is happening to us in Iraq?

    Of the 10 candidates on stage in South Carolina, Dr. Paul alone opposed the war. He alone voted against the war. Have not the last five years vindicated him, when two-thirds of the nation now agrees with him that the war was a mistake, and journalists and politicians left and right are babbling in co

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    1. Re:Ron Paul vs. Rudy on the Iraq War by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ron Paul says Osama bin Laden is delighted we invaded Iraq.

      and from the sounds of it is thus the only person who was standing on that stage who is not an idiot.

      Invading Iraq was bin Laden's dream come true. He probably thought that just luring us into Afghanistan would be enough to weaken us, but then we went and not only got ourselves embroiled in an even bigger quagmire, we also took out a huge enemy of his for him. The only way in which bin Laden could have been made happier is if we had gotten involved in an even bigger quagmire by trying to take out an even bigger enemy of Osama's, namely Iran. Thank God we didn't; Iraq is an episode of American Idol compared to what invading Iran would be like.

      We do not excuse - but we must understand.

      Nobody fucking understands the difference anymore, and it's made us retarded. If you even imply that the terrorists are not completely insane, completely evil, and driven by nothing less than the demonic forces of hell to kill, then you are condoning their behavior. If you try to discuss the actual motivations behind their actions, you are just making excuses.

      We are deliberately avoiding understanding our enemies under the guise of patriotism, and as a result we don't understand our enemies and thus, unsurprisingly, we are completely inneffective against them.

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  26. Can you pick based on one policy area? by antarctican · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually the more fundamental question is, can any candidate accurately represent any individual's core beliefs? And is the idea of voting for an entire platform really democratic?

    Slashdot readers will be familiar with the debates on issues such as a la carte cable channel selection, and how hard we fight to be given options instead of a one size fits all package deal. So why do we accept it with democracy? Why do we have to pick which of our beliefs are most important and vote for the person who best represents those, while sacrificing other beliefs?

    The system must be changed to allow people to vote on issues, or at the very least sub-sections of government policy. Finance, social, military, environment. Yes these issues are all related, but individual opinions may not line up with the traditional slates when grouping these issues together.

    So, what candidate will fight for this finer granularity in democracy?

    Sadly I think the answer is none. Except for me of course (those in my geographic area, vote for me next time!)

  27. None of the above: Vote with your feet. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Interesting
    > Republican Stooge [ ]
    > Democrat Stooge [ ]
    > Some Wacko Independant [ ]
    > None of the above [X]

    Or the next best thing. If you can't vote with your dollars, vote with your feet.

    "Stephen Harper, or whoever else is Prime Minister of Canada on November 5, 2008 [X]"

    Anyone who can scrape together 67 points can get in, and anyone with a Bachelor's degree (which guarantees you'll get the full 16 points for English proficiency, even though your Americanness guarantees you'll get 0 points for French :) and one year's work experience and a job offer -- or one year's work experience and a spouse with a Bachelor's degree -- is going to make the cut.

    Canadian income taxes aren't much more than US income taxes. US Federal tax forms don't show the extra 6.2% that's getting taken off for Socialist Insecurity, nor do they take into effect state taxes. The Canadian federal government just turned a $10 billion surplus, and you even get the equivalent of catastrophic health care insurance in exchange for your tax dollars.

    Atlas shrugs, eh?

    1. Re:None of the above: Vote with your feet. by radtea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've had just about all I can stand of American one-party-two-names politics. (Not that I actually know that it's better in Canada.)

      It's almost too much better.

      Canada is not without its issues, but one of our more interesting traditions is to throw up nutjob fringe political parties every couple of decades. These parties never make it to power, but they wind up having a lot of influence on the democratic debate, and drive the more mainstream parties to evolve or risk getting pushed out by the interlopers.

      In the past century we've had the Social Credit (eventually watered down to various conservative flavours); the Progressives (merged with the Conservatives to make the oxymoronic "Progressive Conservatives"); The Canadian Commonwealth Federation, an agrarian reform socialist party that morphed into the New Democratic Party, a British-style labour party that is currently trying to reinvent itself as a green social democratic party with no success whatsoever; and most recently the Reform Party, a populist social conservative party that merged with the Progressive Conservatives to create the new Conservative Party that is currently clinging to minority government status, and this in a nation that was five years ago in fear of one-party rule by the Liberals.

      We have a fertile and diverse political spectrum, although for all that we still have plenty of politically homeless people (as well as a fair number of the other kind) whose votes are up for grabs in any given election. The Green Party is desperately trying to become a national political voice, although their recent shift to the left isn't helping them any.

      I've lived in the US, and my taxes plus health care costs there were very close to what my taxes are here. Our health care system is imperfect, but we live longer than Americans and have better health while doing it. Health care reform is happening as we speak, as enterprising Canadians find ways round the draconian Canada Health Act, which practically makes it illegal to pay for medical services that are nominally covered by provincial insurance programmes.

      It is also possible to incorporate federally online, for a total cost of $220. We are in the top few nations in the world in terms of delivering government services over the Web, and the climate is currently VERY friendly to small business.

      You can't own a gun legally unless you take a safety course and fill out some forms. If you want to own a handgun you'll have to become a registered collector. There were about 150 people killed by guns in Canada last year. Yes, you read that right, and no, I didn't drop any zeros. We kill each other with knives and blunt instruments, mostly.

      We are a foreign, sovereign, nation. We are not like you. And frankly, we'd rather you stayed home and fixed your country. We'd really like that a lot. But if you're really fed up--come on up, and be welcome.

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  28. Mike Gravel by Mr._Galt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Another man with integrity and vision.

  29. Re:Ok, but elaborate about Al Gore by Duhavid · · Score: 2, Funny

    It has *nothing* to do with any of those things.

    Al Gore ithm

    There! Now you know.

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  30. Bill Richardson by stox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He has the most technical experience ( Former head of the Department of Energy ), the most foreign policy experience ( Former diplomat to the UN ), and an open mind. He supports medical use of marijuana. Most of all, he seems to be an honest guy. Too many candidates seem to have a facade formed by their political handlers, Bill just appears to be who he is. And finally, he is the only candidate I have drunken a beer with, and that seals it!

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    1. Re:Bill Richardson by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      07/12/1996 Definition of Marriage Amendment Y
      07/12/1996 Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) Y

      So if your not Gay and you are his brand of christian, then it's cool!
      At least you can protest you aren't happy with america any way you... oh mayube not:

      Flag Desecration bill Y

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  31. Meh, you could do worse, I suppose by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If you absolutely have to vote for a conservative, you could certainly do worse. Of course, he's really more libertarian, with the implied support for strong property rights that entails. Let me use a quote from him to point out the absurdity of the libertarian position:

    Without the right to own a printing press, for example, freedom of the press becomes meaningless.


    If that's true, then without money to buy a press, freedom of the press becomes meaningless. Like all libertarians, he advocates rights for the rich, and slavery for the poor. What good is the right to life if you can't afford food? Where is liberty if all land is private, and you own none? I've said it before, libertarianism provides only simple answers to complex questions, and libertarians will never directly answer any challenges to their beliefs, they will simply accuse you of hating freedom.

    Libertarians forget that freedom and responsibility go hand in hand. They want the freedom to do whatever they want without the responsibility that goes with it. Libertarianism: the philosophical equivalent of shouting, "you're not the boss of me!" in response to any question.
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    1. Re:Meh, you could do worse, I suppose by Ucklak · · Score: 2, Informative

      They want the freedom to do whatever they want without the responsibility that goes with it.

      That's funny, I haven't heard that from the Libertarian camp.

      For example, yes they feel that you should have the ability to use recreational drugs in your own home but once you step outside and endanger someone elses life,liberty, and pursuit of happiness, they loose that responsibility.

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    2. Re:Meh, you could do worse, I suppose by falconwolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Like all libertarians, he advocates rights for the rich, and slavery for the poor.

      Are you saying I advocate rights for the rich and slavery for the poor? I am Libertarian AND poor and I advocate liberty for all, not just the rich. Fact is is that reducing government and therefore taxes will mean there is more money available to create new jobs, whereas big government can destroy jobs.

      Falcon
    3. Re:Meh, you could do worse, I suppose by headonfire · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am Libertarian AND poor and I advocate liberty for all, not just the rich

      Then you're doing it wrong.

    4. Re:Meh, you could do worse, I suppose by stinerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree completely, even though I'm supporting Ron Paul.

      I'm not a libertarian at the state level. I'm a pretty radical socialist. If Ron Paul was running for my state rep or governor, I wouldn't give him the time of day. I'd be looking for someone to the left of Kucinich (if there is such a thing).

      I'm a libertarian at the federal level because forcing my ideas on to the people of all 50 states is a bad way to get things done. You and I could be happy in our liberal paradise with our socialized medicine, $10/hr minimum wage, decent public schools, etc. The fine people in Utah wouldn't.

      From a purely pragmatic perspective, the "red states" are a net negative on the treasury (they take in more federal money than they dole out in taxes). They're always trying to shove religion down our throat as well. Cut them loose and let them turn their population into a bunch of idiot hicks that can't get a job. We'll do just fine without them TYVM.

      Let the politicians in the shitty states screw up their own states AND NOTHING MORE.

    5. Re:Meh, you could do worse, I suppose by falconwolf · · Score: 4, Informative

      The point is, the libertarian position is directly against wealth redistribution. In most modern societies, this is done through progressive taxing, luxury taxes, and estate taxes. Without those tools, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and eventually are so far behind that they are pretty much slaves.

      Stealing from the rich and giving to uncle Sam you mean? Allow more people to keep more of the money they earn then they can create new jobs which benefit everyone. They can do this in two ways. The more money people can keep that they earn, the more they can invest and/or spend. Investing means more money can be used for research and for job creation. The more people spend the more jobs can be created as well. Whereas with government, with few exceptions government is less efficient than the capital market. Also more money goes to the already wealthy.

      For instance in the US large multinational agriculture corporations get billions of dollars in subsidies yearly. That was a big reason the WTO meetings in Geneva fell apart. India and other countries demanded the EU, Japan, and the US to stop subsidizing these businesses because with subsidizies multinationals can sell food in India, South Korea, and Mexico cheaper than farmers in these countries can grow food. If you live in the US do you ever wonder why so many Mexicans and other Latin Americans come to the US as "illegal aliens or immigrants"? Many of them are being driven off of their farms because they can't compete with subsidized US agribusinesses who are able to export food to Mexico and sale it cheaply there.

      Read some Marx.

      I have read him, as well as Hilter's book. I've also read Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations , various writings from Thomas Paine, and Natural Capitalism by Paul Hawken, Amory Lovins, and L Hunter Lovins of the Rocky Mountain Institute.

      Falcon
    6. Re:Meh, you could do worse, I suppose by toad3k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Texas is in the black. It actually has cities and a decent economy. Virtually every other red state sucks up to 30% more federal money than they contribute. Google it if you don't believe me. I think one of the main factors is lack of major cities. Big empty fields simply can't compete.

      As long as 99% of our tax money goes federal, this will continue indefinitely.

    7. Re:Meh, you could do worse, I suppose by headonfire · · Score: 2, Insightful

      humorous impact of my previous post aside...

      because, and i've said this again and again, corporate controls were put into place for many very good reasons over the past hundred years and more. in places where there -aren't- controls, even today, let's look at China for a great example: putting (poisonous; a plastic) melamine filler in pet feed to boost the tested protein content. Putting (poisonous; antifreeze) propylene glycol in toothpaste as a sweetener. Slightly more benign but still a lie, substituting red snapper (an expensive fish meat), with tilapia or other similar low-cost fish with a lie on the label, because most folks can't really tell the difference anyways. Or not so benignly, subsituting pufferfish for monkfish and killing a few people with puffer toxins.

      Let's go back a few years, to the turn of the century here at home and in Britain. Black lung and textile lung in workers not provided with safety equipment, working long hours in toxic environments. Before minimum wages and before mandatory schooling or child labor laws, so you had to send the kids to work in the mines and factories, too. And before 40 hour work-week laws, so they're there as long as they can, lest they face homelessness, malnutrition, or starvation.

      I won't disagree that the government is still bloated and sick, but letting corporations have the run of things is going right back to our darkest times of industrial history.

      Let's take it back even further, back to the middle ages, where a few folks got together some Might and made themselves Right by it; throwing England (and France) into a black period of ultra-poor peasantry and super-rich lords. Folks with money, and lots of it. Folks who essentially had licenses to print the stuff with giant monopolies and vile market tactics, copying good ideas, slaughtering or slandering competition, sabotage... Stuff that goes on even today, though far more subtle.

      Ahem, THAT is why I am against Libertarianism. Letting the reigns completely go is a trip right back to hell for anyone who isn't already in the elite. Hell, we're headed in that direction anyways, as all of the safeguards of the common people are chipped away, old loopholes in law found or new ones introduced. The safeguards that were put there by the founders, to prevent exactly that from happening.

      Are you Libertarian just because you want a chance to be one of those elites? think you, maybe anyone, at least should get your fair shot at being on a pedestal over everyone else? that's not right, and that makes you no better than the ones up there now, or the ones that were up there 500 years ago, the ones who have always climbed up there. bloated and fat with the sweat of the everyday person who really just wants to get on with life, enjoy it while it's here, do good by themselves and their neighbors, and die honest and happy.

      People will do anything for a buck.

  32. Re:RON PAUL is a 30's idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bull shit he is all for free trade. In fact he wants lower tariffs. I hate disinformation jerks like you. It's the reason why the wrong people get elected.

    http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst060605.ht m

    "We don't need government agreements to have free trade. We merely need to lower or eliminate taxes on the American people, without regard to what other nations do. Remember, tariffs are simply taxes on consumers. Americans have always bought goods from abroad; the only question is how much our government taxes us for doing so."

  33. Get some priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To be blunt, if your biggest concerns are net neutrality, videogames, and the RIAA, I'm glad you are in the minority and you don't count.

    1. Re:Get some priorities by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't underestimate those topics, they run deeper than the superficial look tells you.

      Video games seem ridiculous at at least frivolous as a "political issue", but the discussion runs far deeper than whether you may see blood in video games or (like it is in Germany already) whether it is replaced by green "coolant liquid" because all the people you kill are supposedly robots, or whether you may play games where you shoot people altogether.

      The issue is whether the First Amendment has higher priority than some virtual feeling of "security". Whether the people or the state are responsible for what they think and what they may do. Whether you decide what information you want to see or your country decides what's "good for you". And ultimately whether the government has the right to dictate to you how you should raise your kids and what information is appropriate for your kids.

      It's similar with the other two issues. Whether they are the most important ones or not is moot, all the privacy and freedom of speech issues are important. I wouldn't want to give it some kind of artificial ranking.

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  34. Why NOT to vote for Ron Paul by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    # Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
    # Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
    # Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
    # Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother's life. (Oct 2003)
    # Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
    # Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
    # Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)

    # Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)

    # No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life. (Dec 2000)

    Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)

    Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)

    Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools (AKA religious schools)

    Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR.
    Voted YES on barring website promoting Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump.
    Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.
    Rated 76% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
    Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006)
    Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)
    Voted YES on eliminating the Estate Tax ("death tax"). (Apr 2001)

    Voted NO on establishing "network neutrality" (non-tiered Internet). (Jun 2006)

    In short, he wants to cut services, not allow woman to make up their own minds, and do what supports his belief in the magical tooth fairy...oh sorry "god"

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    1. Re:Why NOT to vote for Ron Paul by KermodeBear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not allow women to make up their own minds?

      What about making up their own mind to spread their legs in the first place?

      Sorry to be crude, but people need to take more responsibility for what they do around here.

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    2. Re:Why NOT to vote for Ron Paul by tcrown007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're very confused about the reasoning behind these votes. A little more due diligence on your part would go a long way toward understanding government. I will comment on the reasons, though.

      # Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
      -- Government should not be funding research.

      # Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
      -- Government is not constitutionally authorized to restrict such transport.

      # Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
      -- Federal government is not authorized to make this a crime, this is an area where only states are supposed to have law making power.

      # Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother's life. (Oct 2003)
      -- The abortion issue is tricky, all libertarians do not agree on this. The logic goes like this: All people own themselves, their life, their person, etc. All people have full control of their property, and nobody may take that away from you unless you are attempting to take it from someone else first. One person's rights ends where another persons begins. Two adults have an exactly equal right to life, and no matter how beneficial it is for one person to harm another person, you may never do so unless you are threatened.

      So using the above principle, person a is an unborn baby, and person b is the mother. Person A and person B have equal right to life. But at exactly which moment do all of these rights kick in? When do they start to exist? Conception? Viability? Birth? We know they kick in at some point, because all people have them, and they are inalienable. So where is it? Viability is a moving target. Does it make sense that these rights exist now at 7 months whereas 100 years ago they existed at 8 months?

      The above quandary will go away eventually. In 500 years when viability is the same as conception, it will no longer be a moving target, and then we can say that rights begin at conception, I suppose.

      But don't say Ron Paul is not for the rights of women. He is for the rights of everybody equally. You only differ in when you think a baby's rights start to exist.

      # Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
      -- Government is not authorized by the constitution to regulate cloning.

      # Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
      -- Government is not supposed to be promoting particular social agendas.

      # Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
      -- Government should not be taking money from hard working taxpayers in the US and sending out to foreign countries. If people wish to do do foreign charity work they should do it themselves. This is not in the purview of government.

      Ran outta time, have to run. Hopefully the above will get you started.

      # Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)

      # No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life. (Dec 2000)

      Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)

      Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)

      Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools (AKA religious schools)

      Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR.
      Voted YES on barring website promoting Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump.
      Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.
      Rated 76% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
      Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006)
      Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)
      Voted YES on eliminating the Estate Tax ("death tax"). (Apr 2001)

    3. Re:Why NOT to vote for Ron Paul by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      # Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)

      -- See the above commentary on when those inalienable rights kick in...

      # No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life. (Dec 2000)

      -- Government is not supposed to be promoting particular social agendas

      Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)

      -- Bankruptcy was originally intended to be privilege that would be exercised responsibly by the citizens. Unfortunately however, enough of us proved to be irresponsible enough to ruin it for the rest of us who might need it at some point in our lives for legitimate reasons. The specifics of the bill in question are debatable, but pretty much everyone agreed that *some* type of reform was needed to reign in the freeloaders.

      Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)

      -- In the words of Justice Rehnquist,

      "To give the parent of such a child a sort of 'heckler's veto' over a patriotic ceremony willingly participated in by other students, simply because the Pledge of Allegiance contains the descriptive phrase 'under God,' is an unwarranted extension of the establishment clause, an extension which would have the unfortunate effect of prohibiting a commendable patriotic observance"

      Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools (AKA religious schools)

      -- As Milton Friedman said, "Nobody spends somebody else's money as wisely or frugally as he spends his own." It is well known that us Libertarians have long supported the school voucher program as the best solution to the problems of our public school system. Here in California we should be getting air-conditioned business park type campuses with community college professors for the amount of money that we are spending, but instead we get poorly motivated and less skilled teachers (there are a few diamonds in the rough, but they are the exception not the rule), peeling paint, and leaking roofs. Who cares more about the quality of education that our children receive? The parents or the teachers union (don't strain your brain answering that one)?

      Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR.

      -- Oil is the lifeblood of our economy and we need whatever domestic supplies that we can get desperately. I like environment quality too, but I am not willing to pay *anything* in order to get it.

      Voted YES on barring website promoting Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump.

      -- See the above commentary on government not promoting a social agenda

      Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.

      -- See above commentary on limited Federal government powers to legislate...these types of laws are left up to the states.

      Rated 76% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

      -- It doesn't matter what *other* people think about a candidate when it comes time to vote, but what *you* think. Voting against somebody simply because you perceive it as harming a group which you do not like (especially if you have no other reason for voting that way) is probably irresponsible.

      Voted YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006)

      -- That is a tough one, very tough indeed. You may take some comfort from the fact that intelligence gathering by the CIA is not intended to build a case against a US citizen that would stand up in court. The CIA doesn't care about prosecuting people, only about gathering...well intelligence to assist us in general foreign policy decisions and to protect us against hostile foreign governments and their intelligence gathering activities.

      Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)

      -- See above comment about thinking for yourself...but with regard to immigration it boils down to this, "Uncontrolled immigration into a welfare state cannot be allowed without bankrupting the state." So you either cut all of t

  35. Green Party by sepluv · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm surprised no one seems to have mentioned the Greens who tend to be more into civil liberties, transparency, participatory democracy, cutting back copyright law (inc. supporting free software), &c than the other parties which would appeal to a lot of the /. crowd.

    I'm British (and biased as I was a Green candidate over here this month) so I don't know much about the US Green Party's policies, but looking at RMS's website, he seems to be promoting them.

    According to Wikipedia, the announced prospective Green candidates are Alan Augustson, Elaine Brown, Kent Mesplay and Kat Swift and there is speculation that Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, Rebecca Rotzler, Cindy Sheehan and Al Gore might stand for the Greens.

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    1. Re:Green Party by greenguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, someone did above. But I appreciate you doing so also!

      Among the liberatrian-minded (as most of the people commenting here appear to be, though that's no surprise at Slashdot), Greens are given a bad rap as carrying on the worst elements of state socialism. In fact, this is not the case:

      Greens favor devolving power to states and even municipalities
      Greens want government out of our bedrooms
      Greens want to decriminalize (most) drugs
      Greens have no interest in taking guns away from law-abiding citizens
      Greens understand that so-called "free-trade" treaties are just the government shilling for corporate power
      Greens are big fans of free software

      And some of you will remember that 2004 Green Party Presidential candidate David Cobb and Libertarian Party Presidential candidate Michael Badnarik appeared together in the most lucid and respectful debates in generations -- and then fought together for the integrity of the vote after the election that neither of them managed to win. They disagreed on some topics, but actually agreed on more.

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  36. Re:RON PAUL is a 30's idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    While he opposes "So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA", he is NOT a protectionist. He favors trade with all nations, and generally opposes protectionist tariffs."

    "For example, he opposed CAFTA because it took the power away from Congress to regulate international trade. Check out his speech, CAFTA: More Bureaucracy, Less Free Trade at http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul254.html. Congressman Paul is an absolute free trader. I wouldn't expect any less of someone whose entrance into politics was the result of a study of economics. His solution to protectionist policies is to decrease taxes and regulations here that make our businesses competitive abroad. To quote the article, "CAFTA and other international trade agreements do not represent free trade. Free trade occurs in the absence of government interference in the flow of goods, while CAFTA represents more government in the form of an international body."

  37. slashdot party by superwiz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been saying for a long time now that slashdot (despite the wide spectrum of philosophies and voting practices of its readers) is becoming a political party. Let's face, we do have a common interest that is largely influenced by politics. America never had a united technocrats party before. You might be witnessing its emergence.

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  38. MY KINGDOM FOR MOD POINTS by Anomolous+Cowturd · · Score: 5, Funny

    The best thing a president could possibly do for nerds or just about anyone else is stop making more laws and start dismantling the stupid laws perpetrated by previous governments.

    I am not in the US, so I can't do much about your choice of president, but at least I can have my say here. The way I see it from here, your options can be divided unambiguously into two groups:

    1: Scumbags that will sell you out, nay, have already sold you out, to whichever corporate and special interests will finance their campaign.

    2: Ron Paul.

    I am a cynic. I hardly expect people to vote in their own best interests. There's a reason the scumbags sell their souls for campaign money - it gets them elected. So I expect another scumbag leading your country in 2009. But please, please, for the sake of all that is good, pure and true in this world, anyone but Giuliani.

    I swear, if you guys elect Giuliani, I am going to go out every weekend, find drunk Americans, and beat the crap out of them. Maybe even daily. You've been warned.

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    1. Re:MY KINGDOM FOR MOD POINTS by Joaz+Banbeck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I swear, if you guys elect Giuliani, I am going to go out every weekend, find drunk Americans, and beat the crap out of them. If we Americans elect a republican ( except for Ron Paul ) we will be so burdened by stupid anti-terrorism laws that we won't be able to visit your country.
  39. Re:I Hereby Nominate... by morari · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's merely a gateway. I'm looking toward being God Emperor...

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  40. Greens? by Plekto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    **** ...the announced prospective Green candidates are Alan Augustson, Elaine Brown, Kent Mesplay and Kat Swift and there is speculation that Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, Rebecca Rotzler, Cindy Sheehan and Al Gore might stand for the Greens.
    ****

    Nader needs to be kicked out of the party and stuffed into a retirement home. Every time he TOUCHES the nomination, it tanks the entire party's legitimacy. I'm registered Green and I loathe the jerk. He's so far off-base from the core ideals that it would be funny if he didn't manage to self-proclaim himself the party's candidate every damn election. Watch what happens - he'll declare himself the candidate next time around, despite who the people actually vote for.

    As for Republican, Ron Paul without a doubt. The powermongering and consolidation of power in D.C. is appalling and needs to stop now before the entire system implodes. Or we turn into a police state like the U.K. We need a massive swing back towards the center and he's the only person who's even entertaining the notion.

    As for Democrat, obviously Obama, since he has the least political connections and time in the system(and therefore the least corrupted). He seem pretty level-headed, like with this vote - he said he'd read it before he made his mind up. Gosh - what a novel concept! Reading legislation instead of toting the party line!. Btw, he did vote against it. This should be the litmus test for Democrats, btw - whether they voted to stop the war or not.

    1. Re:Greens? by greenguy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nader needs to be kicked out of the party and stuffed into a retirement home.

      How can you be a registered Green and not know that Nader has never been in the party? He promised his dying father he'd never join a political party, and it would appear that applies even to parties that run him for President.

      I thought he did a great job for the party in 2000, gave us a serious kick in the shins in 2004. I'm not interested in running him next time, and am giving ever-increasing attention to the question of who it might be instead.

      Slashdotters might be interested in reading what our 2004 candidate, David Cobb, answered to his Slashdot interview, which (ahem) I arranged. He lays out where Greens stand on free software and software patents, among other topics.

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  41. Re:Can I get an AMEN! by Guuge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, the armies of Satan are not marching. Put down your assault weapon, and put down your bible too. You've bought into another over-hyped threat. The *real* enemies, as far as I'm concerned, are the criminals in the government. Yes, I said criminals. They break laws. Not just stupid laws like circumventing copyright measures or jaywalking - real laws meant to protect you and me from oppression. I don't care what party they're from. I want them *all* rounded up and brought to justice. Otherwise, what will prevent future leaders - of any party - from doing the same thing? I don't get how people can sit around and talk about compromise while this is going on. Nothing our government does, from Iraq to Immigration, is going to be done right unless this problem is addressed.

    Yeah, religious extremists are bad, especially when they get violent. I agree that many politicians don't seem to be on the right side of that issue. We should be fighting *all* religious extremism - foreign and domestic. Too many would pander to the religious nuts in this country while pretending to oppose those in other countries (and of course wasting huge amounts of taxpayer dollars in the process). But it's not the Armageddon scenario you're painting.

  42. Ron Paul by psykocrime · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ron Paul is the best choice for Americans, period, not just nerds. He's the most pro-freedom candidate out there, and the only one - IMO - who's qualified to hold the position.

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  43. Here's something truly impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
  44. Re:RON PAUL is a 30's idiot by malsdavis · · Score: 3, Funny

    Uhh, in case you didn't notice the article is about who is the "Best Presidential Candidate for Nerds?".

    What on earth has a presidential candidate's foreign policy got to do with the matter?

  45. I hate all politicians, and most leaders. by OldHawk777 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mike Gravel: http://www.gravel2008.us/issues

    If I was to pick one bad apple, out of (nothing other than) rotten apples in a basket.
    Gravel jams the "status-quo" bullshit and lies back up the ass of the other leader-clowns
    and fraud-leaders (like Bush and Hillary), pseudo-patriot politicians/generals (like
    Chaney and Franks), faux-prophet kings (like Falwell (thankfully dead) Roberts/Robertson,
    Bin Laden...)....

    GIVE U.S. FREEDOM FROM THE THREAT OF ALL MEGALOMANIACS/PROPHETS [AKA: Dogmatist]!

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  46. Re:Ron Paul would be a horrible president by Copid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ahh yes, and overnight put thousands of small businesses out of business. Again, like it or not, illegal immigrants do the work americans refuse to do.
    Without coming out for or against the issue, I'd like to add something to that statement. "Illegal immigrants do the work Americans refuse to do at the current market price."
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  47. Ron Paul is NOT a Libertarian by LiveFreeOrDieInTheGo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ron Paul is a Republican. He is under consideration by the Contitution Party as a potential nominee under their party, and it appears the people in the party strongly desire his transfer.

    Libertarians believe in individual rights as well as social responsibility; furthermore, every Libertarian with whom I associate believes people have the right to the pursuit of happiness. Libertarians desire the return to the fundamental Constitution of the United States. Before disparaging all people who beleive the best approach for the U.S.A. as a nation of freedom and liberty lies with the Libertarian Party, you should review the Libertarian Platform.

  48. ME! by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny

    If Elected I promise:
    1) Decriminalize most crimes except for the really bad ones (Murder, rape, robbery, etc) and institute a policy of impaling for the rest of them. Worked for Vlad. I'd be Greyfox the impaler.
    2) Mandatory reversible sterilization for all children at puberty.
    3) Breeding license. It's harder to buy a gun or a car than it is to have a child. We'll have a test to insure that the Wrong Sorts don't breed.
    4) Forced breeding but
    5) Child rearing is a very difficult task and parents are far too busy these days. Therefore all children will be confiscated at birth and raised in sanitary state run facilities.
    6) Not only will gay marriage be legal, it will be mandatory for all people who don't hold breeding licenses.
    7) All organized religion will be abolished and a mandatory state run one involving Smurfs will be put into place.
    8) Mandatory Samurai honor code for corporate executives and public officials. Bring shame to your office, commit sepuku.

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  49. Leaders are required to rule a country not nerds by singhparul · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can look at india where both prime minister and president are nerds. They lack leadership skills. You need a person who can represent rather than hide himself in books.

  50. Re:To the contrary, by maxume · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Scott Adams wrote one of his early Great Internet Troll series articles about informed voters, expounding about how everyman, and even not-really-everyman aren't as qualified as experts to make decisions, so they should elect not to vote on those decisions.

    He completely ignored that the proper test is whether you think your vote is worst, not whether you think it is best. A vote cast in relatively enlightened ignorance is better than no vote at all.

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  51. Re:None of them - no, ONE of them. by Rigid_Glitch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Republican Stooge [ ]
    Democrat Stooge [ ]
    Ron Paul [x]

    Why should ron paul be the geek candidate? He is the only one who has consistently opposed unconstitutional expansion of federal powers, including the regulation of speech, internet, and what you eat and smoke.

    He also was on the banking committee for several years and is one of the few candidates who understands the massive difficulties our fiscal policies have caused since introduction of the Federal Reserve in 1916.

    Most people have their heads in the sand about the shit that's really going down today, as a result of this leviathan federal government, and our empire abroad. Lets go down the checklist for tyranny and see how the US matches up.

    1) National ID card and tracking database. (german accent) <i>"Papahs pleese! Show us yoah papahs!"</i> Total information awareness collects data on everyone.

    2) Warrantless searches. NSA is scanning a large percent of US citizens email traffic (illegally). Sneak and peek searches authorized for FBI.

    3) Right to a fair Trial / Habeus Corpus. Nope, that's gone too with the Military Comissions act of 2006. They can kidnap you on US soil, lock you up indefinitely and torture until you go insane (see the Jose Padilla case).

    4) Martial Law. Wha? Nope. It's real. President now has the authority to declare martial law for... "Other Reasons" (unspecified). It's in the law!

    5) Property Rights. Loooong gone my friend. Since the 80s brought in 'civil forfeiture' they can take your house, boat, clothes for a marijuana joint. Want to pay someone for a blowjob? You lose your car. Carrying large amounts of cash on you? Sorry, that's ours too. Want to earn some money? Nope the IRS will take a bunch of your income, although there is no LAW permitting them to do it. (Look It Up)

    6) Concentration camps. Excuse me, <b>what?</b> Yes, the USA now has about 800 concentration camps dotting the countryside.

    7) Free speech. Umm yeah well you still have it ~in theory~, but are you gonna speak your mind when the above shit is all plausible?

    And we've still got people watching tv and voting on american Idol.

    If that's not the kind of government you want. Start educating yourself and others on limited constitutional government. De-fund the american empire abroad and the police state at home. Get the film 'Money as Debt' and Aaron Russo's IRS film "Freedom to Fascism".

    If you can read and think. It's your duty as a citizen to educate and lead joe six-pack and sally soccer mom to start demanding their rights back.

    Ron Paul is our wake-up call! Restore limited constitutional government and Rule of Law!

  52. Re:Wrong on nearly every point by qortra · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well, let's see. Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong.

    Like all libertarians, he advocates rights for the rich, and slavery for the poor.
    No, libertarians advocate liberty. Even people who have nothing can choose to use their mind and their hands to create wealth for themselves. Libertarians just don't think it should be somebody else's responsibility to make wealth for the people who choose not to make it themselves.

    libertarianism provides only simple answers to complex questions
    Libertarians do provide mostly simple answers, but the questions aren't as complex as you think they are. They only seem complex because they've been answered by corrupt bureaucrats who are beholden to conflicting corporate and minority interests.

    and libertarians will never directly answer any challenges to their beliefs, they will simply accuse you of hating freedom
    I am a libertarian. I will directly answer any challenges to my beliefs. I will also not accuse of you hating freedom (most people I encounter, including you, truly do love freedom). However, when a libertarian answers a question, liberty will almost certainly come up; it is at the core of the libertarian ideal. Moreover, you must expect that a Libertarian will often claim that liberty trumps utility. If you don't believe that liberty could ever be the paramount consideration, then become a utilitarian and form your own party.

    I've said it before
    Yeah, you should probably stop saying it, huh?

    Libertarians forget that freedom and responsibility go hand in hand.
    ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Libertarians believe that every action has a consequence, and everybody is responsible for his or her own actions through the consequences of those actions. Libertarians also believe that society is responsible for somebody, that person is no longer completely responsible for themselves. So, libertarians advocate that these people be solely responsible for themselves.

    Libertarianism: the philosophical equivalent of shouting, "you're not the boss of me!" in response to any question.
    Funny, I would say it's the philosophical equivalent to pleading "give me liberty or give me death."
  53. Tarring the Dems with the misdeeds of the Repubs by Infonaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like most from the Democrat side of the spectrum, he wants to take the nerd money (and everyone else's money) and spend it on pork.

    Middle america will elect Yet Another Corporate Hack from one of the two Corporate Sets of Well Financed Hacks, and nothing will change. It'll be just like the Democrats "taking over congress". Tons of promises, but are we out of Iraq? No. Are there *any* legislative signs we're going to be? No. Do we have any relief from Bush's illegal wiretapping and "signing statements" and pandering to Haliburton and crew? No.

    You're using an interesting technique to tar the Democrats.

    First, haul out the old canard that the Democrats are less fiscally responsible than the Republicans. That may have been true when Walter Mondale was running for President, but those times are long gone. The White House and Congress have presided over an enormous porkfest over the last six years. Instead of inefficient social welfare programs, it's being spent on Halliburton and Blackwater. The party of small government has disappeared, and has been replaced by the new and improved "Spend & Spend" Republican Party. As long as you spend it on war, somehow it's not as wasteful as spending it on social programs. The Democrats have become more fiscally responsible than the Republicans, at least at the national level.

    Next, blame the Democrats for the failures of the Republican Party. Ohmigosh! The Democrats haven't suddenly extracated us from Iraq! You seem to think that the Democrats have been doing nothing, but there has been a heated battle on Capitol Hill over funding the war. The budget is the only weapon the Democrats have in this situation, and everyone knows that if they go nuclear with the budget, they'll lose their leverage. It is Bush's complete refusal to listen to the will of the public, to budge even one inch, that is keeping us in Iraq. Let's put the blame where it really lies, with the self-proclaimed "War President."

    the Democrats have just shown us, there are no differences between mainstream moneyed candidates

    There are differences. Look at where our national priorities were under two terms of Clinton and compare that to two terms of Bush. Look at the issues that are most important to Republican voters (Guns & God), and the issues that are most important to Democratic voters (Jobs & Environment). The fact that both parties have money behind them doesn't mean that there are no differences between them.

    That said, I think we need more choices. A choice between two parties doesn't adequately represent the range of views in the American electorate. Paul certainly looks more credible than any third-party candidate in recent memory. Unfortunately, the sort of government Paul wants is a radical return to a prewar ideal that may be impossible to achieve, given the fact that government is the largest employer in the United States.

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  54. Vote for Cthulhu, vote for Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cthulhu might dismember and devour you, but at least he won't be taking away your freedom of speech and expression. You are free to scream and writhe to your heart's content. Ia! Ia!

  55. Re:Major Nerd issue : H-1b by randall_burns · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First off, look at Japan and Korea-they have no huge immigration-and no huge foreign borrowing and lots of folks there find engineering an attractive profession.

    Who is "we" here. You are indentifying with what Malcolm X called the Slave Mind. Someone locked into the slave mind identifies with their master so much they don't worry about their own interests. Read my article.

    Guest worker visas aren't that different than slavery from an economic standpoint. When slavery was introduced in Virginia, the planters there either had to use slave labor-or go someplace else. Long run, the costs of the civil war alone far outstripped any short term economic gains from slavery-which were quite questionable and concentrated in a few hands.

    H-1b was a measure to address an economic reality: wages cannot be sustainably lower than the cost of workers to live and reproduce. The engineers of the 60's and 70's didn't have that many kids-so by the 90's economics was setting in. Corporate predators reacted by doling out visas which cost them nothing personally-but often diluted the value of US citizenship. Each of those visas could be sold for at least $100K-and really has a theoretical value closer to $300K. Of course a corporation can get a hard worker when they have something like that to dole out-that costs them NOTHING.

    The fundamental structure of the US and global economy is bad. Both are predicated on massive liquidation of assets in places like the US-which is what this immigration really is.

    If H-1b were gone and US trade was balanced, we'd see a lot of rich folks making a huge adjustment-and engineering would be a very attractive occupation for Americans. Now, I don't think the corporate leadership in any existing major US tech companies would survive. Those folks would be so distrusted they simply couldn't stay in business. But new companies would arise to take their place quickly. BTW Microsoft is VERY H-1b dependent-and Redhat isn't. I can easily imagine restriction of immigration killing microsoft which I consider a very good thing for the industry long term.

    There are real limits to outsourcing-particularly if the leaders of the US had the discipline to stop borrowing hundreds of billion of dollars per year.

  56. Gore and Paul Support Immigration Restriction by randall_burns · · Score: 2, Informative

    It should be noted that the two most popular candidates in this poll rare
    Ron Paul with a B rating from Americans from Better Immigration(and A- recent record)
    and Al Gore with an A- lifetime rating.

    By Comparison, McCain is a D
    Hilary Clinton (despite tough talk) earned a D-
    Barack Obama also earned a D.

    ABI is an interest group that advocates restriction of immigration-an F corresponds to loose immigration policy and a A to a restrictive policy. The average congression grade is a C-which is in effect support of one of the loosest immigration policies in the world.

    My articles on immigration are here

  57. It doesn't work that way by jfern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most people aren't going to change states because of their state's policies. Also, environmental issues of one state effect the environment in other states.

    Taking this idea even further, would you be pissed if you were a landowner and your next door neighbor decided to build a power plant and a toxic waste dump on his property? Clearly anyone who doesn't like it should leave his property. But you are on a different property.

  58. You are mistaken. Clinton RAISED taxes in 1993 by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Clinton's tax cuts occurred in 1993 when Democrats had control of Congress and the white house.

    Wrong. I don't know why anyone modded you up for this gross and blatent revisionism, but Clinton promised tax cuts in 1992, then delivered tax increases in 1993. Just search Google for "1993 Clinton Tax Cut".

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  59. Re:municipal socialism by brightmidnight · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have to disagree. Giving the rights to the states does protect the minority-- if you live in a state with policies you don't like, it's much easier to change than at the federal level, and if not you can move to another state with policies more amenable to yours.

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  60. perceptions by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think a lot of libertarians would be mighty offended by you calling them conservatives. Libertarians, are, by defenition, socially liberal, and fiscally conservative. Many get lumped into the republican camp, but just as many vote democrat because of the social issues.

    I think one reason many take Libertarians as conservatives is because supposedly conservatives were for small government. The founders of the Libertarian Party were dissolutioned Republicans during the Nixon era. And while some Libertarians do come from the Republican party others come from the Democrat Party as well. I first voted in 1980, for Jimmy Carter. Then in 1984 I voted for the Dem candidate, though I don't recall who it was. However in 1988 I learned about Ron Paul and the Libertarian Party he was the Presidential candidate for and I voted for him then.

    Falcon
  61. Immigration laws are unconstitutional by ghoul · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is nothing in the constititution about immigration laws. Immigration laws were an unconstitutional addition in 1882 the Chinese exclusion Act - a blatantly racist act. Before that there were no laws preventing anyone in the world from coming to America and as long as they followed American laws they were Americans. Since its not even constitutional to have immigration laws on a national basis how can you have it between states?

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    1. Re:Immigration laws are unconstitutional by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      Since its not even constitutional to have immigration laws on a national basis how can you have it between states?

      Article 1 section 8 says congress has the power to

      To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

      Article 9 starts off with

      The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person.
      It would seem to me this means it is in the constitution. And the no limits on immigration was only for congress, it left the decisions on who is fit to enter a state to the states until 1808.

      Not only can congress limit who comes into a state or these united states, they can define who becomes a citizen.
  62. You should be the next President by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You should be the next President. You should be your own Sovereign State (this is not a new idea, a number of books have been written about this). You should stash enough money, skills, and enough social capital, to be able to move to another State -- or to another Country. You should have enough control over your life, that you can chose the kind of work and the kind of people that you allow to enter your life. You don't need to carry a gun, or dig yourself an underground bunker, and become a social outcast, usually -- having the freedom and the ability to relocate to another country, to another State, to another city, or to another neighborhood, is all you need to live the kind of life you really want.

    On the topic of the media, you should be your own media, and you should stop whining about the things you can't really control. Sure, the media is awful, the media is trollish, the media is biased, etc. Now give it up already... There is enough technology within your reach that you have the ability to control the kind of information and images that end up reaching you. And sure, you won't be able to affect your neighbors -- by controlling the kind of media *they* watch, but that's ok -- if your neighbors are the types that don't listen to you -- chances are you won't be able to control the kinds of things they watch anyway.

    Focus on the things you can control, and forget the rest. For instance get rid of your TV, or a less drastic option would be to get yourself a Tivo (or a Linux MythTV). It's a world of difference to be able to choose the kind of programs you watch, than to let the program directors and the schedule for the day make those decisions for you. Subscribe to the publications you actually want to read, instead of only reading the ones that appear in the newspaper dispensers in your area. And use the internet to find the kinds of the articles that you really want to read -- but can't get elsewhere. Again, I don't care what you do, just be proactive about it. You can set up your computer to automatically download podcasts. You can set your computer to automatically print out a couple articles every morning before you wake up. You can set up filters to email (or sms) you every time a politician votes on an issue you care about. And if you need your local news, you can usually find a quality blog or two that only blog about local issues in your area. In the end, you're in complete control of the kind of information that you allow to enter your mind.

    And if all else fails, because no advice is perfect and no two situations identical, be prepared to move away -- we're not all destined to remain in the area/region we were born into -- just give yourself an escape valve.

  63. Re:Tarring the Dems with the misdeeds of the Repub by zerocool^ · · Score: 2, Interesting


    That said, I think we need more choices. A choice between two parties doesn't adequately represent the range of views in the American electorate. Paul certainly looks more credible than any third-party candidate in recent memory. Unfortunately, the sort of government Paul wants is a radical return to a prewar ideal that may be impossible to achieve, given the fact that government is the largest employer in the United States.

    Which is why we should enact my law. It's a two-tiered election system.

    Problem: Right now your options are to hold your nose when you go into the voting booth and vote for the crook or the idiot. But hey, you pick the lesser of two evils, and you have to vote for him, cause if you vote for Nader or Perot, you're going to lose the election to the crook (or idiot).

    Solution: Run off elections. Open a general election to candidates from ANY political party, and people will be able to truly vote their conscience. Your hot button is the environment? Vote for the green party. Your big thing is free trade? Vote libertarian. Your one plank is abortion? Vote for the evangelical. Then, we take the top two plurality winners and run them off in a national election.

    ~Wx

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  64. Wow! Is this a clueless "Ask Slashdot", or what? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I was wondering who the community thinks will make the best President when it comes to representing issues Slashdot readers might care about?

    This has got to be one of the stupidest questions ever asked. Slashdotters are not some group of insulated nerds living divorced from the real world (I mean, if your parents go broke, whose basement are you going to live in, huh? :-).

    Off-hand, issues that I find most important are little things like the Iraq War, the disastrous ecological problems and looming energy crisis we need to face, the national debt and potential meltdown of the economy, trade imbalance and job outsourcing, to name a few. Compared to these, the technical things that I care about (i.e., copyright law, internet control, etc.) are so far down the list of issues that will form the basis for my vote they don't even register. Sorry if that's not nerdly enough for you, but if you really make your choice on technical issues at this point, you really are a clueless geek.

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  65. Re:municipal socialism by opencity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    hmmm that argument can be made ... but ...

    What about voters rights. Suppose the majority in a state is ruthlessly supressing the minority like, say, the south until 1964?
    Should Mississippi be allowed to roll the clocks back and put racial barriers up to prevent voting [insert Rove ref here]? Suppose Hawaii votes in Sharia? A long shot but for the sake of argument. Do all the females have to move or submit?

    My feeling is there's a middle ground but I may be an optimist. Civil rights for all, gay marrage state by state.

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  66. We want net CONTENT neutrality by davide+marney · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Net neutrality" is not a great word choice. Of course the providers should be able to use QoS tools to optimize connections. But it must be done in a content-neutral way.

    We don't want the Verizons of the world to be able to give their VOIP packets a high priority, and everyone else's packets a low priority. That would effectively force all Verizon customers to only use Verizon's VOIP.

    Neither do we want the Verizons of the world to be able to sell higher priority to specific content providers. This would give Verizon the power to effectively "sell" its customer base to the highest bidder.

    Internet providers have an obligation to abide by "common carrier" principles, one of which is that common services must be provided to everyone. Our national highway system doesn't have a "Fords Only" lane for precisely the same reason. The lanes are open to anyone with an automobile, regardless of who made the automobile, where the automobile is going, or why it's being driven. That's the way the Internet needs to be.

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  67. Re:Hitler Was Great For Nerds by superiority · · Score: 2, Informative

    RTFS, dude. "Best President for Nerds" doesn't just mean "Hooray for science" policies. Quite a few people here (myself included) are privacy nuts, and I imagine there's a large consensus in favour of copyright reform. Personal liberty also tends to be a big one.

  68. Re:Hitler Was Great For Nerds by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 2, Informative

    Leaving aside the squandering of talent by people who weren't of the right ethnic background, he wasn't great for Konrad Zuse though. If they had supported him more, they could have been further ahead in computer technology.

  69. Libertarianism would work great... by Scudsucker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...in an isolated hamlet of a few hundred people. In a nation of 300 million, it would be an absolute disaster.