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Marketing Yourself as an IT Jack-of-All-Trades?

ultimatemonty asks: "As an IT professional looking for a new job, I'm trying to figure out how to market myself as a 'jack-of-all-trades' IT worker. I'm currently employed at a medium sized university as a video conferencing specialist. I'm good (competent) at many IT related tasks (Linux server management, programming, Windows/Linux desktop support, video conferencing support, etc...), but specialize or excel in none of them, sort of like the lone IT manager in a small shop. What kinds of jobs would the you look for with this kind of work experience, and how would you market yourself (design your resume, cover letter, and so forth) to prospective employers so they get the full-breadth of your capabilities, without over-stating your abilities?"

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  1. Well, be careful! by iknownuttin · · Score: 5, Funny
    I got caught on the job looking at porn and...

    Oh wait! You said Jack of all trades! My bad! I thought I saw 2 'f's there.

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    1. Re:Well, be careful! by Roydd+McWilson · · Score: 0, Troll

      That's how I got my latest job, believe it or not.

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    2. Re:Well, be careful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How??

    3. Re:Well, be careful! by jwilcox154 · · Score: 1

      Mr Chips is that you?
      *me ducks* ;)

    4. Re:Well, be careful! by Roydd+McWilson · · Score: 0, Troll

      Hmm... I don't think we should go into the details here :)

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    5. Re:Well, be careful! by scottdaddy22 · · Score: 1

      Dude, Thats funny as hell. Bryan http://www.racinsite.com/

  2. Don't do that by eln · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you list a bunch of divergent technologies on your resume, and you describe yourself as a jack of all trades, employers basically see you as a junior admin with exposure to a lot of different technologies that really doesn't know all that much (especially given the huge number of resumes out there that list technologies in the "skills" section because the applicant once read about it in a magazine or something).

    Tailor your resume to fit each specific job you apply for. If the job is Windows heavy, emphasize your Windows work on your resume. If the job is Linux heavy, emphasize your Linux work. Also, don't just list what you know, list what you've done. Tell them about your big project that saved the company $10 million. That sort of thing holds a lot more weight than telling them you once logged in to a VMS machine.

    Basically, employers don't need to know and don't care about the full breadth of your capabilities: they care about what you can do for them. Do not just shotgun a laundry list resume to a thousand different companies, make sure each resume you send out specifically addresses how you can fill the need the company has, as evidenced by their job posting.

    1. Re:Don't do that by iknownuttin · · Score: 1
      Tell them about your big project that saved the company $10 million.

      I'd like to add that if you're going to throw out numbers like that be prepared to explain how you or your employer arrived at that figure.

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    2. Re:Don't do that by eln · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well obviously, don't lie. If you never actually completed a big project like that, don't say you did. If you did, be prepared to explain the project in as much detail as possible in an interview situation. If you really were deeply involved in it, you should be able to easily answer most questions they will ask about it.

    3. Re:Don't do that by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I find a Jack of all trades very useful myself, and consider myself to be in that category, I don't think a lot of companies are looking for that. Most mid to large size companies like people to do very specific tasks with very specific job descriptions. Somebody who is a jack of all trades would probably fit in a lot better at a small company, which is where I happen to be, because they will have much more opportunity to work in many different areas. Small companies don't have entire teams devoted to database design, UI design, middle tier design, requirements gathering, architecture, testing, and all those other areas of software design, so the people who do work for small companies probably get to see at least a little bit, if not a lot from all those areas. Also remember that the full term is "Jack of all trades, master of none", however, I consider myself to be a "master" or at least really good in quite a few areas, and the all the rest of the "trades" just really help to back that up.

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    4. Re:Don't do that by jafac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What the parent poster said.

      And also; make sure you are able to talk about Your Own Initiative:
      Projects you managed. Problems you discovered and fixed, on your own, without oversight. Also, if other techs come to YOU for advice, detail those happenings as well.

      If you're the go-to guy, and can be trusted with a small budget, and a certain amount of autonomy to come up with fixes to long standing annoyances that nobody else thought of even trying to solve (overcoming organizational inertia) - then try to convey that. Most managers would give their left nut/tit for this kind of worker. (and often, this kind of worker is misclassified as "junior").

      Bottom line is: breadth of skill does nobody any damn good, if that skill does not come with initiative. Breadth of skill is difficult for a busy manager to manage. That level of management is usually tasked with fighting fires with his or her immediate superiors. They're too busy to task you - so you put your skills to good use, be everyone's hero.

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    5. Re:Don't do that by blhack · · Score: 2, Informative

      The fact that they don't have teams devoted to database design, UI design, etc. etc. can be a major problem. Often times when you work for companies like this you end being drastically under-funded, and then you get reprimanded when things don't work the way they should.
      For Instance:

      I work for a small(ish) company (~200 employees, about 50 users, and about 100 networked devices). Unfortunately for me, about 20 of these networked devices are wireless, and only support 32 bit WEP. This is a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR problem for me. Our wireless network is expected to cover a VERY large outdoor area (a huge car lot, and a ~10,000 square foot vehicle re-conditioning building). To accomplish this task, i built us a couple of soekris boxen with ubiquiti XR2 radios in them, and some big honkin' gain antennas. This causes quite a bit of "bleed". Or signal goes a LONG way if you point the right antennas at it. I have explained this to my boss time and time again, that we need to upgrade to devices that either support WPA, or preferably openVPN. I just get a blank look and a "no". Since we're not going to invest the probably 20 grand that it would take to get the devices that I need (a bunch of intermec CK-31s), i have set myself up a rudimentary network monitoring station. I run etherape to keep an eye on what is going where, and kismet/airodump-ng to keep an eye on what macs are out there probing, and who is connecting to what. This setup works okay i suppose, but it is done using my own PERSONAL equipment.

      I could keep ranting, but the point is that something working for the big honkin' company can be a really good thing.

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    6. Re:Don't do that by LoudMusic · · Score: 1
      I don't know that you necessarily need to leave stuff off of your resume, though it probably can't hurt if it's something they're not looking for in the first place. However ...

      Tailor your resume to fit each specific job you apply for. If the job is Windows heavy, emphasize your Windows work on your resume. If the job is Linux heavy, emphasize your Linux work. Also, don't just list what you know, list what you've done. Tell them about your big project that saved the company $10 million. That sort of thing holds a lot more weight than telling them you once logged in to a VMS machine. ... detailing major projects you've been involved in (and the level of involvement) and a rough dollar estimate of value is a big deal. If they think you can come in and save them thousands of dollars a year on their IT budget and implements cool new ways of getting work done then you're more likely to get hired than the guy who just fixes broken stuff all year.

      I used to be the guy who did cool stuff. Now I'm jaded and just fix broken stuff while playing Desktop Tower Defense for the better portion of the day.
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    7. Re:Don't do that by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly right- and he even gave the real answer in the article:

      sort of like the lone IT manager in a small shop.

      That is EXACTLY the position a jack of all trades should be going for.

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    8. Re:Don't do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has always bothered me somewhat. I am expected to give out tailored resumes, but in any interview I get, I'm presented the same cookie-cutter psyche-situational questions that they've obviously cut 'n' pasted from some HR publication.

    9. Re:Don't do that by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Wait- you only have 20 wireless networked devices? Why don't you just check MAC address on your soekris boxen against a master list of 20 pre-approved MAC addresses, and if it isn't one, firewall the connection?

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    10. Re:Don't do that by abcgi · · Score: 1
      I concur, specialise not generalise. IMV The answer is in your question, as it often is, sell yourself as a:

      "video conferencing specialist". The generalist skill set will come in handy and open up more opportunities as your career progresses.
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    11. Re:Don't do that by fractoid · · Score: 1

      I used to be the guy who did cool stuff. Now I'm jaded and just fix broken stuff while playing Desktop Tower Defense for the better portion of the day. I hate you for describing me perfectly.

      ...never did manage to finish DTD "The 100" :/
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    12. Re:Don't do that by mandelbr0t · · Score: 1

      Basically, employers don't need to know and don't care about the full breadth of your capabilities: they care about what you can do for them. Do not just shotgun a laundry list resume to a thousand different companies, make sure each resume you send out specifically addresses how you can fill the need the company has, as evidenced by their job posting. QFE. Took the words right out of my mouth. If you are young and brilliant, I.T. hates you. Remember, most of them are 40+ people who know how to fix mainframes and how to hack Unix. They all have families and see people like you as competition. The fact that you are, in fact, better than them makes them feel stupid. Make sure you find a company with a future, and tailor your resume to suit your needs. Be prepared for a lot of humiliation as those above you try and make your life a living hell. I suck, I couldn't handle it. Best of luck to you.
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    13. Re:Don't do that by afidel · · Score: 1

      Because everyone knows it's unpossible to clone a MAC address....

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    14. Re:Don't do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Ugh, the XR2 is the best card in existence at the moment, but dump the high-gain antennas, and get some decent ~10dBi sectors. If you haven't already, load MikroTik on the Soekris boxes (or get some real MT hardware), set them up as l2tp or PPtP concentrators as well as wireless APs, and forget layer 2 encryption entirely. Don't allow access outside the encrypted tunnels (including disallowing _any_ wireless forwarding), and authenticate off a radius server. For as tiny an network as that, I'd probably just use MT's built-in "user manager" radius server, but a seperate freeradius box is better.

      Not that hard, and won't cost much.

    15. Re:Don't do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      BTW, if you are willing to run beta code, you could also use MT's OpenVPN concentrator, and their built-in monitoring server "the dude".

      No new hardware, way more capable than the CK-31s, very secure, and easy to manage.

    16. Re:Don't do that by scolbert · · Score: 1

      I agree. Tailor your resume towards the job you are seeking. Its fine to describe your skills, but its better to focus on what you've done. Good luck.

      Sammy at Personafile

    17. Re:Don't do that by arivanov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would second that. It is either that or they do not believe you as a result the interview becomes quite hard. Quite often you get filtered out at the pre-interview stage. Suffered from that myself.

      One thing that helps in cases like this is to use different identities for your different personas. Most recruiters index their databases based on email so have your Unix persona CV with a "unix" email address, Network persona with a CV with a "network" email address and software development persona with a CV with a "software" email address. Amend the relevant CVs so that the "primary" skills look "primary" and are not muddled by the "secondary" ones.

      And overall, being the jack of all trades in nowdays IT is bad for your career.

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    18. Re:Don't do that by Aramgutang · · Score: 1

      Actually, the full term is "Jack of all trades, master of none, though ofttimes better than master of one".

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_all_trades%2C _master_of_none

    19. Re:Don't do that by rjshields · · Score: 1

      As long as you pointed it out to your boss, you've done your job. Put it in an email, and then when someone hacks in to your network, print it out and show your boss as an "I told you so".

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    20. Re:Don't do that by Branc0 · · Score: 1

      What about a RADIUS authentication solution to help with the protection? You can use FreeRADIUS which is free (as in beer as well).

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    21. Re:Don't do that by Mr.+Fahrenheit · · Score: 1

      I was the young gun a while back. Did a lot of stuff, held many of my cow-orkers in disdain, for not knowing, not caring, not understanding all of the awesome things I did. I knew I was better than them, and they were, indeed, all stupid (though I cannot fix a mainframe).

      I now am 40+ and have some more perspective. Other than showing off for the sheer intellectual high of it, being a snob really doesn't get me anything. Who am I trying to impress? ...and most times, if I have cowboyed a system together that no one else understands, how am I supposed to go on vacation? 'Stupid' or not, my co-workers, most of whom are now friends of many years, help me out on those occasions when my Exceptionally Large Brain needs an assist.

      YMMV, and I'm sorry if folks have actually *hated* you for being smart, but hang out for a few years and the accretion of not-your-fault system failures, late nights hunting down bugs, and having good friends (and good employees) laid off all around you -- all that tends to color your gung-ho-ness about how hard you want to work for The Company.

    22. Re:Don't do that by gosand · · Score: 1
      Tailor your resume to fit each specific job you apply for. If the job is Windows heavy, emphasize your Windows work on your resume. If the job is Linux heavy, emphasize your Linux work. Also, don't just list what you know, list what you've done. Tell them about your big project that saved the company $10 million. That sort of thing holds a lot more weight than telling them you once logged in to a VMS machine.


      I've been involved in interviewing around 50 people in my career. I have found that it is a crap shoot. Some companies want to get someone hired fast and will interview almost anyone - if an HR person can match up 3 words from your job description to their resume, they are in the door. Others, it was totally up to me, and I had to pre-screen the resumes. I can generally scan a resume in about 15 seconds to see if it is worth digging a little deeper.


      Part of the problem with trying to tailor your resume is a couple of things:

      You want them to get your resume in their hand. While you are tailoring it, they might get 15 others and decide to just hire someone out of those 15. (it happens) Your resume might also get chopped up and/or keyword searched, so some of your tailoring could go for naught.

      Be careful not to tailor it too much. Job descriptions aren't always perfectly written, and sometimes you might not be able to tell exactly what the job will be. You could tailor yourself right out of consideration. Maybe it says Windows on the resume, but they have been thinking about moving off to a Linux platform if they could find someone with the right skillset.


      I don't like the hiring process, from either side. I don't like used car salesmen, and I definitely see people who try to sell themselves as something they are not. It really turns me off to them if they misrepresent themselves.
      "It says here you know Unix. Which shell did you use?"
      [ blank stare ]
          "Tell me about how you used Unix in your last job."
          "I used it daily, we had to go in and there were some commands we would type to see if files were FTPd to the right location"
        "Oh, did you use SSH to log in?"
        "I don't remember"


      I have always told people that they should classify their diverse skills - put 3 sections on your resume: Experienced, Moderate, Basic. Put everything you know into these categories. I used to program in Assembly and Fortran... do I want to use it now? No way. But it is on my resume, because it shows how long I've been doing this, and shows a breadth of knowledge. It can also be a good conversation point with interviewers.


      And remember the theory of relativity when looking for a job. From the hiring side, a few days or a week is no big deal. But to someone who is out of work and looking for a job, that is a very very long time. If you are hiring, remember that and try to keep in communication with interviewees, give them a rough timetable and stick to it, even if it is to say "we are still evaluating, hang tight". If you are interviewing, remember this as well. Be patient, but don't be afraid to ask for an update. Sometimes day-to-day work gets in the way of hiring.

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    23. Re:Don't do that by haakondahl · · Score: 1

      Of course, you should print out the e-mail *before* your network gets poofed.

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    24. Re:Don't do that by BVis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Make sure you print out your resume, while you're at it. Just because you warned someone about something and they refused to authorize a fix, doesn't mean that you won't get blamed for that something. In a working environment where people can be fired for no reason whatsoever, don't think that your PHB won't throw you under the bus to save his/her own ass.

      It sounds like you need a new job anyway. If they're paying you for your expertise and recommendations, and then refusing to adopt them (or even to listen to them, which is what this sounds like) then they're setting you up for failure. Dust off the resume, friend.

      Might be a good idea to get some alphabet soup to put on the resume before you do that. Sounds like you could start with at least the Network+, if you don't already have it, then possibly a Cisco cert. You might not learn anything from these courses (less so the Cisco certs), but the alphabet soup gets you past the HR morons and gets your resume in front of the people who matter.

      And for the love of the FSM, pull your personal equipment out of there. There's no excuse for that.

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    25. Re:Don't do that by ZWarrior · · Score: 1

      As a person who spent quite a few years as a consultant and listed as a "Jack of All Trades" I have to agree with the previous poster. As much work as it can be, tailor your resume to fit their req and then list other skills as needed. For some reason corporate america wants to pigeon hole people and then climb on their case for not learning a variety of knowledge.
          I spent 14 years on the server hardware and OS side of the house, but also learning things like web servers, email servers, SNA, Citrix, VMWare. All that it got me was a tough time getting a new contract when the last one was ending because my list of knowledge made it seem like I was either over qualified, under qualified, or bragging because I couldn't possibly have that much experience in all those areas.

      I finally took a job that underpaid and worked my way up in the company. Then I transfered into a new department to learn that area. My past experience suddenly paid off for them because I could talk the talk the talk with the server teams and keep our department aware of what was coming when the staff couldn't understand what the server team was talking about. It took my bosses some time to realize the value that provides, and now I am being called on to sit in on meetings that involve both sides of the house.

      Do what it takes and keep your eyes on your goals, but be willing to undersell some of your skills to get in the door and then dazzle them with how much you really do know.

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    26. Re:Don't do that by CarnivoreMan · · Score: 1

      For a company doing any moderate number of interviews, they cant be sinking in tons of time to make each interview as tailored as your resume.

      Or maybe you should request a non "cookie-cutter" interview next time (be sure to use the same terminology).... that'll really help with your job search. Good Luck!

    27. Re:Don't do that by alienw · · Score: 1

      What's the big deal? Sounds like your boss doesn't really care about security -- either there is nothing to protect, or it's not perceived as a security risk. Install MAC filtering, a firewall, and use SSL or whatever, and you should be OK.

    28. Re:Don't do that by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      No, what it's unpossible to do is have cloned mac addresses on the same LAN as the original. The fact that the original device starts slowing down and dropping packets MIGHT be a clue something is going on.

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    29. Re:Don't do that by blhack · · Score: 1

      or somebody could drop a wifi card in to promiscuous monitor mode, sniff the traffic for a whitelisted MAC, then spoof it after we're closed and all the mobile computers are turned off.

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    30. Re:Don't do that by Havokmon · · Score: 2, Informative
      sort of like the lone IT manager in a small shop.

      That is EXACTLY the position a jack of all trades should be going for.
      That's exactly what and where I am and have been for the past 7 years. It's WONDERFUL working for a small company vs. any larger ones. I actually work part time for a larger one as well, and it's not something I would consider a career-path. Conversely, when you're the lone guy at a small company you lose:
      • Big Projects - there will be a list when you get there - how long will that list last? How dynamic is the IT of the small company?
      • 'Moral' Support - Who are you going to bounce techie stuff off of?

      Hmm I can only think of two right now... I thought there was one or two other cons. The biggest one is the second one. It's VERY hard to get a good opinion about a tech direction from non-technical people, or people who don't know your business.

      Apparently, the pros far outweigh the cons. ;)

      Rick
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    31. Re:Don't do that by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

      ...never did manage to finish DTD "The 100" :/

      That's because it's unbeatable ... ;) Give v1.5 "Survivor" a try. It's NUTS!

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    32. Re:Don't do that by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      If you're closed and you've turned the mobile computers off, why haven't you ALSO turned off the WIFI access points?

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    33. Re:Don't do that by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      When best isn't possible better does the job.

    34. Re:Don't do that by blhack · · Score: 1

      because then when it is saturday morning at 6:00 and i'm in bed, or sunday afternoon at 3:00pm and I'm out at the lake on my boat, or I'm in the mountains biking, or blah blah blah etc away from my phone and somebody needs to use it, they can't.

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    35. Re:Don't do that by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      What is so hard about adding a socket to the lights to plug the access point into, then have a policy about shutting off those lights when they lock up the building? And turning on the lights when they unlock the building because they are open for business? Your access points CAN boot up without you being in attendance, can't they?

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    36. Re:Don't do that by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      If you want an easy-to-find job then market yourself as very specific to individual jobs. If you want a job where you can exercise a wide range of knowledge then be honest about your skills. Describe everything you know in a format that easy to understand. Include both a short list of highlights and another list that includes details. Include a portfolio with as much graphical proof of your skills as possible - code, snapshots, downloadable copies of your software, etc. Consider contributing to opensource projects, publishing articles, and starting your own business as ways to prove you have the skills you claim to have. Shop yourself around by joining the local chamber of commerce or a business club. Try to avoid HR, which are drone like and scrap resumes of anyone that doesn't exactly fit their mold, and put yourself in situations where you can meet the owners and upper management of companies.

      If you find the right employer they'll be glad to find someone with a wide range of skills. You want to show why you'll fill the existing opening at an employer but you also want to dazzle them with possibilities they may not have considered or known how to do. Last, be honest if you don't know something or don't know it well - an admission that you don't know everything makes your list of skills more believable.

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    37. Re:Don't do that by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Document your concerns, state that you've been monitoring for the (very real) problem using your own equipment and that is no longer an option, and stop monitoring.

      It'll get cracked, messed with, and THEN there will be a business need for your much-needed upgrades.

      In other words, quit saving them from themselves. The sooner the network gets taken down, the sooner you get the proper budget to do it right.

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  3. Pick one and become an expert by ditoa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While a "Jack of all trades" is great you a hook to sell yourself on. Pick something you enjoy doing both as a hobby and for work and then become an expert in that field. If you really are competent then the step up from "good" to "great" shouldn't be that hard and great should be enough to get you the job except for very specialist roles.

    Also be honest when you get interviews. There is nothing wrong with saying you have recently decided to aim at a particular area in which to become an expert.

    You are worrying more about the problem than just getting on with it.

    1. Re:Pick one and become an expert by RabidMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some people don't want to be experts - I have absolutely no desire to be an 'expert' at anything. I am a generalist and have found a few roles where that is a bonus. And where there isn't a "need" for a generalist, I can go in to a specific role and branch out, letting my general skills help out where they can.

      "If you really are competent then the step up ..." - I don't like the implication there. I am very competent, but I would find it exceedingly difficult for me to become "great" at any one part of my knowledge. I don't like to focus on one thing - I read multiple books at a time, I watch movies and read at the same time, I listen to music and surf and cook. I move from Windows to Linux to databases to development to application support to web to systems management many times a day, and I do them all well. Not everyone is made to become GREAT at things. I am a poster child for ADD and I think it's a great skill.

      Not everyone wants to be an expert, and I don't think that should detract from their usefulness - like anything, you just need to find the right spot to apply your skills.

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    2. Re:Pick one and become an expert by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Bingo. Companies might need "jack of all trades" type people, but it's not what they hire for. Just look at the job IT listings on Dice and Monster... They're all looking for people with x years of experience with 2 or 3 specialized products, thinking that's the best way to find the specific skills they're looking for on their current project.

      Of course, that probably won't stop your new boss from giving you a dozen Windows servers to build three months down the road even though you described yourself as a UNIX administrator on your resume. That's just the nature of the beast.

    3. Re:Pick one and become an expert by purplebear · · Score: 1

      I can sympathize with subby somewhat, and since the question of what type of job to look for came up...

      I am a generalist myself, and I love it. I found a good nitch as a generalist that doesn't force me to specialize necessarily and let's me stay involved with most of the tech that interests me. Security. It's the hot button "specialty" for a lot of larger companies right now, and you need to have experience across the board to be half way successful as a security specialist.

  4. it generalist by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    as a generalist, you could qualify as "sysadmin" at a smaller shop, which because of their IT budget, usually means "guy that knows how to do everything for us". I'd emphasize creative problem-solving abilities and a drive to arrive at good solutions quickly.

    Of course, you'll want to avoid coming off too arrogant -- no one wants to hire an I.T. jackass-of-all-trades, but we all know a few!

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    1. Re:it generalist by erroneus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed, or if you seek "more money" the best you will get is "IT Manager" or possibly "IT Director" for a small to medium business. Those jobs are out there but they are sometimes tough to find. To land those, I have found that "customer service" and "good shopping and delegation skills" are items to list on a resume. They know "one guy can do it all" on a day-to-day basis, but for anything where there are projects to execute, they expect you to be able to pull in outside help.

      This is how you grow into management.

    2. Re:it generalist by ogre2112 · · Score: 1

      Definitely... I would also add that the company you go with doesn't need to be an IT shop. Many smaller realty shops or execs that work from home often hire an IT guy as a clerical assistant because of their skills. I think you'd be surprised at the income opportunities as well.

  5. Go small by sheetzam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I found myself in a similar situation, and found a place that suits me perfectly. It's a small development shop. I'd definitely recommend trying to find a smaller company; the smaller, the more freedom you have to use all your skills. Seems the larger the company, the more specialized they believe their IT folks need to be. The smaller, the less particular jobs are a specific person's responsibility. Just my two cents.

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    1. Re:Go small by CastrTroy · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I agree with you. I mentioned it before in another post but I'll mention it again. I too work in a small company and you really do get more of a chance to work an wide array of projects when you work in a small company. Everybody I talk to at larger companies has very specific job duties and does very specific (often boring) things. However, I get to work on just about all aspects of my company's product, and I find this very rewarding, and very challenging.

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    2. Re:Go small by WhatHappenedToTanith · · Score: 1

      I'll add a 'me too' in that I also agree. I worked in a small startup which was great fun and gave me loads of control and interesting projects across the whole IT spectrum. Unfortunately we were all too good at our jobs and the company grew larger and larger until multiple IT specialists were required. Although adapting into a single role is easy enough, I found it much more boring than how things were when there was more scope to explore, so left to find new pastures and dont regret it at all.

    3. Re:Go small by Ravenscall · · Score: 1

      This can cut both ways. I have worked at two small shops, and both were run by egomaniacal millionaire daddy's boys that would not know ethics if you beat them to death with them. One went as far as to forbid employees from associating with each other outside of the workplace and had the (technically qualified as a box of rocks) manager eavesdropping on our in work conversations and taking notes.

      So, like anything else, YMMV.

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  6. Uh, you answered your own question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sort of like the lone IT manager in a small shop. Then that's what you are. Market yourself as that. Duh.
  7. Bad Idea by minipulator · · Score: 1

    I'm afraid that I have to report that, in my personal experience, this is a bad idea. Every time I have tried to qualify myself as being a specialist in more than one area (even when true) it has lead to me not getting the job in question. For your own sake, pick a specialty to sell yourself on. The rest of the knowledge will help you once you get in the door - but it will not help you get in the door.

  8. Overstate your talents by Webdude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would say overstate what you know in your resume, any technology you have touched for more then 5min should be on there. If you are good at picking things up and understand how technology works in general you are way better off then 95% of IT workers out there. I work as a consultant and I see people with 10+ years of experience on a single product and in 20min of reading a manual i am more proficient in it and able to do more. There end up to be two types of people that interview you, one that looks for the bullet points and if you don't have them you don't move forward, second the tech person who should be more interested in your base knowledge and your ability to learn then knowing some small detail.

    1. Re:Overstate your talents by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I recommend against this. As soon as I see a resume for a programmer position with people saying that they know Photoshop, MS Excel, 3DS Max, Adobe Acrobat (yes, I've seen that on a resume), scheme (I know it's related, but did you ever really use it outside that second year CS class) and other completely unrelated skills, or listing things that I'm sure they aren't really that proficient in, I start to think about how they have nothing of real substance to fill up the resume with and toss it in the garbage. You should be able to demonstrate that you have the skills necessary for the job, and to show what projects you've actually done (for school, fun or employers) and not just pad the resume with every piece of software you've ever used.

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    2. Re:Overstate your talents by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When we do technical interviews, our policy is that anything on the resume is fair game to ask questions about. So, if someone comes in with a laundry list, we'll try to find a question to ask about some obscure technology they say they're proficient in (nothing too tough, just something that someone who knows the technology would know). This will tell us how much they're trying to puff themselves up.

      We'll also ask progressively harder questions in each category that we have expertise in just to see what they do when they start becoming unsure of themselves or just flat don't know the answer. We are much more impressed by someone who simply says "I don't know" than someone who tries to bullshit us. If you don't really know a technology, don't go around pretending that you do.

    3. Re:Overstate your talents by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Asking questions about what people put on their resume should be standard practice, especially when they write a laundry list. First if they really do know all the stuff they listed, it's probably a good idea to make sure you find a position in your company for them, even if it's not really the one your interviewing for, because people like this are few and far between. Second, if they don't really know the technology, then you don't want to hire them at all, in fact you want to rule them out as soon as possible, because the people who lie on / embelish their resume are the kind of people you don't want to be working with.

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    4. Re:Overstate your talents by geekoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, I love those interviews. I always get an offer.

      I have a tone of stuff on my resume. I have never had a job with just one responsibility, and I always go out of my way to do new work. That means I got a lot of things on my resume.

      So when some one starts asking questions expecting me not to actually know things, I blow them away.

      A good question to ask is "What they learned from what they have listed."

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    5. Re:Overstate your talents by shaitand · · Score: 1

      'So, if someone comes in with a laundry list,'

      If you don't want a laundry list then don't put up a job posting that smacks of laundry list mentality. If you list 10 very specific technologies that your candidate must be proficient in then I will list every one of them on my resume guaranteed. After all, you have already told me you won't consider a candidate unless they list all of those things.

      For example, it is very reasonable to list 'Experience with backup technologies and mechanical tape drives.' But you should expect a laundry list back if you listed a specific program, drive, or version of a program. If you understand backup schemes and how tape drives operate then the actual software used to perform the function really doesn't matter.

      'We are much more impressed by someone who simply says "I don't know" than someone who tries to bullshit us.'

      No doubt, but the tech world does push people to this. Ignorant employers or performing general onsite service is essentially sales and requires selling your customer on the idea that if you don't know it, nobody does.

    6. Re:Overstate your talents by cecille · · Score: 1

      One time I saw a resume for a low-level IT job that included as a skill "types 32 WPM". Okay here now...first of all I don't care about your typing skill because I'm not looking for someone to dictate memos to, I'm looking for an IT guy. Don't even need anything too fancy, but you're way off in space with the typing thing. Secondly...THIRTY-TWO WPM? My 6-year old cousin can type faster than that. That one got filed in the bin as soon as I got to that line. Please, show me with your resume that you a) have no idea what the job entails and b) are totally inept at doing what you mistakenly think I want you doing.

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  9. easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Apply for every job that looks halfway decent
    2. Lie and say your an expert at whatever it is they want you to do.
    3. Learn everything you don't know as fast as possible.

    Isn't that essentially how I people become Jack-Of-All trades? Claim you can do something, learn it, do it.

    1. Re:easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, isn't that kinda like this movie...?

      http://imdb.com/title/tt0264464/

  10. Startups and small shops by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    If you're OK being THE IT guy, or one of very few, then any small shop is a good place to look.

    As far as marketing, just be honest and be yourself. The better, smaller employers look for that, and being yourself helps make sure it's a good personality fit, which matters more in small shops as well.

  11. Specialize by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    while you may here this said quite a bit, tailor your resume for each position. Some are looking for server admins (knowing both solaris and windows) while others (like myself) hire very specific skills (Storage admins). For example,

    I know many people go to EMC, HDS, IBM classes. Or because they know how to configure VxVM (veritas volume mgr) they consider themselves Storage Admins. I'm looking for what have they specifically done in their job as it pertains to the skillset I'm looking for. Have you implemented SRDF over FCIP? Explain in detail how you migrate from a disk array coming off of lease, to a new array.

    Also, if I see a resume that has 500 technologies on it. It is my every right to ask about any one of them. Just to give you an example, one guy mentioned token ring, and I brought in a CCIE coworker that helped migrate quite a few token ring companies to fastethernet. I would much rather see a resume that showed exactly what you can contribute to my team, rather then the 500 technologies that you know how to use.

    Surely, you don't put 'firefox, gmail and winamp' on your resume, but you probably know how to use those.

    1. Re:Specialize by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

      I find this attitude among interviewers very offputting. I can understand wanting to see how someone reacts to tough questions, but if you're a senior admin interviewing people for a position, you can't possibly expect them to know as much as you do. With so many technologies out there, nobody is going to have the exact same experience as your shop.

      If they've used vxvm or set up a veritas environment at a small shop, they've had enough introduction to the tools that they can be trained quickly without too much hand-holding. I wouldn't consider myself a veritas expert, but I have built and configured 2 Veritas environments so I'm putting it on my resume. If nothing else, offer them $10k less the first year and spend that money sending them to a few specialized training classes.

      If your job posting lists specific requirements (must have implemented X technology and they lied about it) then yeah, go ahead and grill them, but most job postings are far too general for applicants to actually realize the level of skills required. A lot of people put together shotgun resumes on job sites to get maximum coverage on resume searches. Ask them to see if they bullshit you about it, but if they fess up they're not exactly an expert in the subject, it shouldn't disqualify them for putting it on the resume.

    2. Re:Specialize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is disputing your right to ask about the applicants listed talents. I would ask why you grilled him about token ring if you aren't interested in the '500' technologies that someone claims to know how to use?
      do everyone a favor and retire.

  12. Interview well... by ktakki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been on both sides of the desk with regards to IT staffing and interviews. The resume and cover letter were the least important factors. For me, the interview was most important, followed by professional references. This is not meant to belittle the value of a comprehensive and professionally done resume. I'm of the opinion that you should place more emphasis on the interview(s).

    If I were the interviewer, I'd want to know that you can solve problems without creating more problems. That you know when you don't know an answer. That you know how to find the solution. That you're presentably dressed and groomed. That you are at least competent when it comes to communication and interpersonal relations. To me, these factors are more important than a list of operating systems you've administered. The "IT" part of "IT professional" is relatively easy, a solved problem at the very least. It's the "professional" part that eludes some people.

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    1. Re:Interview well... by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The resume is unimportant once you get the interview, however, for getting the interview, a good resume and cover letter is essential. Spelling and grammatical errors get an automatic circular file, as do padding the resume with useless information and just listing things that you may have used for a week. If you can't name and describe a significant project in which you used a certain skill, then it doesn't belong on your resume. With the quality of some resumes I really feel sorry for some people, because they will probable never get a job. If you're writing skills are that bad, at least do yourself the favour of getting professional or possibly a friend to help you compile a resume. Something like this is definitely worth it.

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    2. Re:Interview well... by ktakki · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't disagree with your points; consider the part of my post that refers to "the value of a comprehensive and professionally done resume".

      But resumes, like some job applicants, lie. Were we to accept job applicants on the basis of a resume without an interview and a reference check, we'd be fucked.

      I can embellish my resume from here to Timbuktu. Bullshitting my way through an interview and getting references to lie for me is an exponentially harder problem.

      k.

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    3. Re:Interview well... by caluml · · Score: 2, Funny

      "If you're writing skills are that bad" Not bad. 8/10.

    4. Re:Interview well... by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      That you know how to find the solution. That you're presentably dressed and groomed
      I'm fine with the "finding a solution" thing. However, ANY company that requires me to wear pants is NOT going to have the pleasure of paying my salary!!
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    5. Re:Interview well... by ktakki · · Score: 1

      So, how do you look in a skirt?

      k.

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    6. Re:Interview well... by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      Hehheh, hats off for the clever reply!

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    7. Re:Interview well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i will take someone with brains in a t-shirt and shorts any day over an idiot in a suit. in IT the clothes don't make the man (or woman).

  13. Options by br00tus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    One option is, as you stated, a small shop or group where you are doing everything.

    I really think the next easiest option is to look at the things you have done and specialize in what you like the most. If you like programming, learn to program well, be able to answer basic questions like what is a linked list (or more complex questions) - learn one language well, as well as the basics of programming that you find in books like "Code Complete". If you like server management do that.

    I am a UNIX systems administrator, and for me, even this is a very broad definition. I understand that firmware/time-of-day should be in sync across CPU/memory boards on Sun Enterprise 4000's, or that the file /etc/redhat-release is the file which shows which version of Red Hat you are running, but I can tell you it is very, very rare in interviews to find people who would know both those things. You're lucky if someone "strong in Linux" even knows that about Red Hat. I have to say that Solaris people tend to know their stuff better (and this is coming from a Linux fan). So I consider it difficult to bridge these two things, which are very close, and you are talking about all over the place.

    My suggestion would be to specialize in one thing, and learn it well. I had to rank a Google job application on how well I knew something, I forget if the scale was 1-10 or not, but you should specialize in something and get to know it as a 9. Being a jack of all trade is fine, meaning having 3-6 ability in other things, but you should know one thing well - something you enjoy and think has a future. Once you master that one thing, then you can work on getting other things up to 9, but I meet so few people who are at level 10, 9, or even 8 for what I need, I would reiterate to learn one thing well. A real jack of all trades knows multiple things at say an 8 level, but that is rare. We have one where I work, but he knows many things at a high level. Someone who knows lots of things at a 4-6 level I generally find useless, in any environment.

    1. Re:Options by Trojan35 · · Score: 1
      Someone who knows lots of things at a 4-6 level I generally find useless, in any environment.

      This touches on an interesting point. Hiring someone is about trust. You need to be able to trust that the person can do their job effectively. 4-6 is not at that level and is, as you say, generally useless.

    2. Re:Options by nbvb · · Score: 1

      copy-clock-tod-to-io-boards

      Yeah, it matters. And I would expect someone who listed both Sun Enterprise experience, as well as Red Hat, to know both of those things.

      But I guess I'm a jerk. I actually expect people to know the things they put on their resume. Like the kid who was very proud of himself for "building a Beowulf cluster" (yes! How many times do you get to mention that on Slashdot IN CONTEXT??). He was very proud - and somewhat cocky about it - until I asked what message passing API he was using. Oops. Seems he, well, watched his professor build one.

    3. Re:Options by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      A real jack of all trades knows multiple things at say an 8 level, but that is rare
      With 2nd edition that used to be the case. However, since WotD took over, a multi-class character has become much more common.

      We're talking about Dungeons & Dragons, right?
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  14. Jack@$$ of IT? by ak3ldama · · Score: 1

    I saw the headline and thought, "Why would I want to market myself as an IT Jack Ass?" and the thought crossed my head that it must work because so many IT people I meet should probably have a tail pinned on. Anyways I'm a programmer so this isn't exactly my discussion, but for me I am sort of a jack of all trades, with an extra emphasis on C/C++. This fits well with the modern shop that does a lot more C# these days, but still has needs for someone who has a good background in C.

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  15. Several resumes. by Generic+Player · · Score: 1

    I am a unix sysadmin pimp, a really good web developer, a strong network admin, and I even know windows pretty well (and will tolerate a little of it when needed). So I have several resumes, one for each kind of job I might apply for. The current list is:

    Unix sysadmin
    Windows and Unix sysadmin/network admin
    Network admin (cisco shit)
    web developer
    web admin (people who specifically want apache, tomcat, mysql, postgresql, etc)

    Then just send the resume that suits the job. If you try to put all that on one resume, most people will assume you don't know any of them really well, or are just lying. Lots of people spend 6 months learning something, then the next 8 years trying their best to avoid learning anything else, so they are suspect of people who keep learning all the time.

  16. That's not how you land a job. by IgLou · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you are truly a generalist, then it should be easy to tailor the information on your resume to suit the position you're applying for and market the "extra" skills as a bonus when you land the interview. So if the position you are looking for is say an Exchange Administrator you list that as being a "Primary" skills and then list your other skills seperately. When hiring managers or HR people have to hunt around your resume to find what they are looking for they'll pass you over.

    That said, if you want to do a mish mosh of just about anything you want to look at a smaller company that has a small IT team or maybe a start-up but start-ups eventually grow (or die) and you might find your self having to pick a role. Your other option here could also be contract work, it's a great way to do varying things provided you're only landed quick contracts.

    In the end I'd advise you pick a specialty and see it through. Generalism is fine but if you want to be the best you specialize. Pick the one thing you're best at or love the most and pursue it with everything you got. You're general knowledge will never be wasted, everything ties together in one way or another. I was a bit of a generalist too and when I really focused on my speciality my general knowledge really paid off since I could always talk about my work in the larger context of what was going on.

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    1. Re:That's not how you land a job. by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > So if the position you are looking for is say an Exchange Administrator...

      A generalist is never going to be happy in a job that hyperspecific.

      It's one thing to take a job as a server administrator (which is fairly specific already, from a generalist's perspective), but I cannot imagine applying for a job managing just one specific piece of server software. Such a position would get tediously boring VERY quickly.

      I'm not saying your advice is bad, though. Just the example is poorly chosen.

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    2. Re:That's not how you land a job. by IgLou · · Score: 1

      I hear what you're saying. I should have mentioned "or specializing in something you enjoy" to specializing in what you're good at as well.
      I just wanted to convey that specialization is an option and quite viable if pick an appropriate specialization.

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    3. Re:That's not how you land a job. by mutterc · · Score: 1

      tailor the information on your resume

      This is what I generally do. However, there's two type of jobs where that doesn't work:

      1. Temp agencies (temp jobs or jobs where the company outsourced the hiring to the agency). They tend to expect 1 resume they can send for everything.
      2. Big companies. Suppose you want to put in an app at Cisco, IBM, etc. Those big companies want to hire specialists, so you'd have to give them a "networking developer" resume for one job, and an "Asterisk consultant" resume for another. Most of the time their systems are built on a one-resume-per-person model.

      It may be best to just avoid those two types of employers, now that I think of it, or, for each one of those, pick one area and act like a specialist in it.

    4. Re:That's not how you land a job. by teh_chrizzle · · Score: 1

      That said, if you want to do a mish mosh of just about anything you want to look at a smaller company that has a small IT team or maybe a start-up but start-ups eventually grow (or die) and you might find your self having to pick a role. Your other option here could also be contract work, it's a great way to do varying things provided you're only landed quick contracts.


      those are the two options that have served me best in the past... just make sure that your interpersonal skills are up to task. small companies and contract positions require work with diverse groups of people who may or may not be very technical. if you can't make friends and build a rapport with your customers/teammates super fast, you will be lugging around and installing PCs for the rest of your career. if you have the grips to stick with contracting in spite of the perpetual job searching, you can go into consulting at some point.



      another option is to work as a lab rat or QA for a software company. gigs like that are hard to land anywhere but the west coast, but if you have decent systems AND scripting/coding skills you can put yourself in a unique position as the goto guy for everyone else. most testers i have worked with are dev wannabes and want to quickly grow up to be real devs. the QA teams in the shops i have worked for had a fair amount of turnover. being dedicated to life in the lab can land you in charge of said lab before too long.

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  17. But not too small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I currently work as the "sysadmin" at a small business (100 employees) and it is a hassle sometimes.

    They (management) don't provide an adequate IT budget, so I basically can only buy things when something breaks. They don't take IT very seriously, and have no foresight, so when something does break, it causes a lot of problems. So for example, instead of replacing a server after a reasonable time, they prefer to wait until it dies before replacing it.

    They are constantly looking to cut corners, which has become very tiring. The network infrastructure was installed by a previous sysadmin who didn't know how to do wiring. He was aparently fired because the network performance was terrible and he couldn't fix it. Needless to day, it has been in serious need of upgrading for years. Management refuses to pay to fix it because "we're moving". Of course, the move to a new building is constantly being delayed, more than a year at this point.

    Luckily, I just received a job offer at a less small business (200 employees), so hopefully it will be better.

    1. Re:But not too small by trolltalk.com · · Score: 1

      "so I basically can only buy things when something breaks"

      So buy a bigger hammer.

      You can use it to "adjust" equipment that you think needs replacing, AND as a LART.

    2. Re:But not too small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I used to work there......... Got Initials for that place?

  18. Solution-Independent IT Professional? by Prien715 · · Score: 2, Informative

    When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. By commanding diverse technology, you're able to develop solutions to best suit the customer rather than just doing what you did everywhere else. If you want to make an analogy to the medical field, while there are specialists for feet, brain surgery, etc, at the end of the day, you call a doctor for your initial diagnosis, not a neurosurgeon.

    Another thing you can do that no one else can is a nuts-to-bolts solution from the bottom up from a problem -- you can manage a solution from the get-go rather than being "the oracle guy". Large consulting companies like IBM do solutions that are sometimes agnostic w.r.t. implementation.

    Lastly, you're an independent worker -- you can find solutions where none exist! This is terrific for many positions.

    Some ideas of places where you'd be good: I work for a large software company who does road shows regularly. There's an IT guy who goes to set up our servers/clients/etc who needs to know how all of it works -- he can't call the database guy to help him. Freelance IT Professional -- there's quite a few places (car dealerships, small businesses, etc) which need IT infrastructure but can't pay for a full-time IT guy. Just ask around, you'll be surprised at how many places need help (and how well it pays) and you're one of the few people who could do it (warning: requires people-skills). Last idea: larger consulting company like IBM. IBM builds call centers and stuff all over the place and needs people who can implement solutions as well as think them up to work in existing IT environments.

    You sound like a very qualified employee who I'd rather hire than the "oracle guy", since I bet you can learn oracle whereas other IT guys get stuck in specialization ruts.

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    1. Re:Solution-Independent IT Professional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This AC is totally on board with your suggestion.

      I'd just sum up, and phrase it differently...

      Ask prospective employers if they're looking for the complete toolbox (you), or will they settle for for a complete tool (your competition).

      Creative writing skills help, too. :::cough, cough:::

    2. Re:Solution-Independent IT Professional? by snopes · · Score: 1
  19. Network Administrator by mnmn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's the title.

    Some places think a Network Admin is someone who administers a network. They're wrong.

    Those are called Network specialists or something like that.

    Generally a company of 20 to 100 employees hires one IT guy to support all desktops, the servers if any, the website, Internet connection, managers' blackberries, the occasional phone issue and the president's home computer (and his children's Xbox). That my friend, is a network administrator, occasionally called a system administrator.

    IT Technician, IT Administrator or IT guy are also used. As soon as you hit 2 IT employees, you are called an IT manager and everyone stops worrying about what to call you while you start looking for IT Director jobs on dice all day.

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    1. Re:Network Administrator by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Generally a company of 20 to 100 employees hires one IT guy to support all desktops, the servers if any, the
      > website, Internet connection, managers' blackberries, the occasional phone issue and the president's home
      > computer (and his children's Xbox). That my friend, is a network administrator, occasionally called a system
      > administrator.

      Where I work the official job title is Technology Coordinator, but it's very similar to (if anything a little less specific than) what you describe. Our director doesn't have a Blackberry, and the game console is a different brand, but besides the other things you list I also do staff training, customer support, layout editing, photography, printer maintenance, strategic planning, firewall rulesets, data entry, simple illustrations, technical and non-technical documentation (including reports, disaster plans, policy writeups, ...), web development (including some AJAX), general IT consulting, non-IT-related research and reference (paper-based, internet-based, and occasionally microfilm), and even a certain amount of PR work.

      The official job title really doesn't matter very much. Everyone just calls me "The Computer Guy". I like to abbreviate that as TCG, as it sounds more official that way. "Technology Coordinator" is just what the former director came up with to call it for the job listing when the position was created, and it stuck long enough to get printed on my business cards.

      The one thing I *don't* have to do is manage subordinates. I'm the whole IT department.

      Did I mention that I'm technically part time? I average somewhere between 25 and 30 hours per week.

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    2. Re:Network Administrator by drachenstern · · Score: 1

      me too me too

      So just out of curiousity, how much do you make annually? I think I slipped into this job at way too low of a figure, but my thought process is that if you are comfortable with the pay, then it's not too low

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    3. Re:Network Administrator by jonadab · · Score: 1

      My 2006 W-2 box 1 said 16864.49.

      Bear in mind, however, that I live in a city of about twelve thousand people in central Ohio, so the cost of living is rather lower than it would be in a big city, much less what it would be on either the east or west coast. I put money into savings every month, and there is a non-profit organization that I give to regularly. I'm actually living on significantly less than my full income.

      Not that I couldn't find things to do with more money, obviously. But I have what I need. Including (consumer-grade) broadband internet access.

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  20. Perfect job for you: by stinkbomb · · Score: 1

    What kinds of jobs would the you look for with this kind of work experience... How about "lone IT manager in a small shop"?
  21. There is a reason it goes by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Jack of all trades, Master of none! Pick something.

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  22. Same situation by Kuvter · · Score: 1

    I have a computer information system: web design bachelors and currently work at the university as a peer tutor. I'm a jack-of-all trades. I have an animation associates as well. Some programming experience, some graphic design experience. I know the whole Microsoft Suite, Photoshop, XHTML, CSS.

    I figured I'd just go for an Masters in Business Administration, then go for management. As a manager I would be able to use most all my skills.

    I'm still trying to find that first job to get the experience, while going to graduate school, so I'm in the same basket as the poster. If anyone knows how I could market myself, as a jack-of-all-trades, that'd be great. Thanks

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    1. Re:Same situation by iMaple · · Score: 1

      I know the whole Microsoft Suite, Photoshop, XHTML, CSS. Why isn't the parent modded funny ... he knows the whole microsoft suite and XHTML and photoshop and CSS. In case that doesn't sound impressive enough, the microsoft suite has many more resume-worthy items that the parent was too modest to tell you about: Word, Excel, Notepad, Solitaire, Windows media player... Wow ! that sounds like the computer skill set of my mostly computer-illiterate grandfather .. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but

      If anyone knows how I could market myself, as a jack-of-all-trades, that'd be great. I would suggest learning more trades.
    2. Re:Same situation by Oersoep · · Score: 1

      You're a web designer. That's just one trade.

    3. Re:Same situation by Kuvter · · Score: 1

      I meant Microsoft Office Suite. I'm proficient in Excel. I know a decent amount in Word, Access, Power Point, Publisher, Visio, Project, and Front Page. The only one I've never touched is InfoPath.

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      "To do is to be." -- Aristotle
      "Do-Be-Do-Be-Do..." --Sinatra
    4. Re:Same situation by Kuvter · · Score: 1

      I disagree.
      1. Web Design (BS)
      2. Computer Animation (AS)
      3. Video and Multimedia (AS)
      4. Accounting (Enough skill in Microsoft Office Suite to do that)
      5. Restaurant Management (2 years experience)
      6. Programming (1 yr)
      7. Graphic Design (1 yr)

      I may only have a degree in 3 trades, but I still have the skills to do many others.

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      "To do is to be." -- Aristotle
      "Do-Be-Do-Be-Do..." --Sinatra
    5. Re:Same situation by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You have a real degree - why get an MBA? I have two siblings with real degrees and MBAs and they both saw it as a waste of time paid for by their employers - small sample size but that is my opinion.

    6. Re:Same situation by Kuvter · · Score: 1

      I have a tech degree. The MBA is a business degree. I call it diversifying. I saw it opening more possibilities to me than just coding all day. I don't want to be 40 years old, hating my career, and not feel like I have options.

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      "To do is to be." -- Aristotle
      "Do-Be-Do-Be-Do..." --Sinatra
  23. Either synthesize, or wear multiple hats by Wordplay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It really depends. Your targets probably are small shops and startups, particularly if you have any real experience, unless you can find a position that touches the bulk of your skillset.

    My own resume is about 5 years of programming, a year or so of build/release, and 6 years of QA, along with a lot of general IT and strategic skills. For a while, I had problems with dilution--I wasn't really in the programming space anymore, didn't have enough build/release to be more than junior there, and didn't have enough QA to make it a slam dunk to pay me at my overall experience level.

    In my case, I went to software test automation, which synthesizes all these skills, and have done quite well in that space. But in addition, I regularly get hit up by startups who want to cover two or three hats with one person. Eventually, with enough experience, you'll be in demand if you can ride out those early years.

    The trick, if you go that route, is you really need to be quite competent in everything you sell yourself as (or at least be able to inspire confidence until you can get to the man page or O'Reilly book). Otherwise, you're only really as marketable as your best skill. That's why it can just be a lot easier to concentrate on one thing. Of course, if that skill goes overseas or otherwise becomes obsolete in the local workforce, you're screwed.

  24. Easy - get used to low paying jobs by SlappyBastard · · Score: 1

    Because companies that aren't looking for specialists are usually too poor to hire all the positions they require. In fact, look up the origin of the phrase "Jack of all trades" and you will end up at the word journeyman. It pretty much is a concept that is interchangeable with systemic poverty. Go find a specialty, or get used to being underpaid.

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  25. That's what I've been billed as... by logicassasin · · Score: 0

    Jack of all trades is usually what I'm referred to. As a result, I have a 3 page long resume with experience ranging from simple desktop tech, Win32 admin, Unix admin(Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, System V), Linux admin (RHEL 2-4), AS/400 ops, VAX admin, and now including QA and Test engineering. The scope of the resume leads potential employers to look at me as someone that adapst very easily (said to me by my current employer), and in this environment they need people like me. Soon I'm adding Java and C/C++ Developer to the resume, as they're asking that I brush up on these skills.

    Try expanding your resume. The days of the one page resume are long gone.

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    1. Re:That's what I've been billed as... by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      "The days of the one page resume are long gone."

      ummmm No.

      Average time a person spends on a resume, 12 seconds.
      It better be short, it better list what they are looking for at the top, and your first sentence needs to make them want to read more.

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    2. Re:That's what I've been billed as... by gobbo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Average time a person spends on a resume, 12 seconds.
      It better be short, it better list what they are looking for at the top, and your first sentence needs to make them want to read more.

      A JoaT needs a long resume if they want to demonstrate the range and flexibility and variety of solutions they can bring to the company. The solution is the split resume: a summary with the major hit points, ideal for the 12-second scan, followed by the 2-3 page compendium that prepares the interested employer for the interview.

      Maybe you haven't done any hiring, or work at unimaginative corporate hives, but that 12 seconds is generally used for sorting, and the short list candidates get the long treatment, where the laundry list resume is more than useful.

      I've been hired as executive director of an organization that required me to build turnkey editing systems and assist with IT in the parent organization, do creative design and production, marketing and admin and business planning work, design curriculum, speak at conferences, and competently address social justice issues. Very, very few eligible candidates. Similarly, I've worked at startups where the JoaT position was a necessary evil at first, and the long resume clinched those jobs. YMMV.

    3. Re:That's what I've been billed as... by drsmithy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It better be short, it better list what they are looking for at the top, and your first sentence needs to make them want to read more.

      I believe this might be a US thing. Here in Australia, multi-page Resumes are the norm, and if you don't have enough information on your Resume to give the person reading it a fairly good idea of your skills and experience, they'll just bin it.

      As an Australian, working for a US company, that has to interview US applicants, I find the "one-page Resume" to be incredibly frustrating. There's never enough information included to tell anything useful about the applicant unless it's either a) an applicant who's very new to the industry or b) an entry-level job like L1 helpdesk where applicants don't really need many skills past a pulse. This means I have to do, at the very least, a preliminary phone interview to find out whether or not the applicant is even worth bringing in for a "real" interview - an annoying and time-consuming proposition (doubly so for me since I have to line-up timezones appropriately to call people in the US).

      Contrast this to the Resumes I receive from Australian applicants, who typically include academic qualifications, industry qualifications and job histories *with details* of responsibilities, achievements, skills gained, procedures, etc. Sure, there's a one-page summary that has a brief outline (what an American applicant would call the whole Resume) but it *also* includes more in-depth information allowing me to get a good feel for how the applicant has spent the last few years of their working life, in terms of gaining/exercising skills and experience.

      The end result is that I can spend 30 - 60 seconds looking at each Resume's summary page, to quickly weed out people who are clearly unsuitable (eg: Electrical Engineering degree, about 30 years old, last 3 jobs in another country, applying for a L1 helpdesk job), then go back and spend 2 - 10 minutes for each Resume in the remaining pool finding the people who actually look suitable for the job, and make the shortlist for interviewing. Thus, by the time I actually get around to calling them in for an interview, I am already reasonably confident they have the requisite skills and experience, and the interview becomes about a) *verifying* (as opposed to discovering) their technical abilities (easier, relatively speaking) and determining whether or not they have the right attitude and personality.

      I have yet to see a "single page Resume" that has told me anything truly useful about an applicant. A page's worth of bulleted previous employers, boilerplate "skills" and "responsibilities" one-liners, and "achievements" of maybe a sentence or two each, just doesn't have enough meat in it to determine whether or not an applicant is capable (purely from a skills and experience perspective) of doing the job. Subsequently, I've ended up getting in further contact with some applicants who were clueless and, I'm sure, missing a few that would have made excellent employees.

      Slashdotters, what's it like in the UK, Canada, etc ? What style of Resume is typical in those places - just the one-page summary, or a one-page summary backed up by a relatively detailed explanation ?

    4. Re:That's what I've been billed as... by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      an entry-level job like L1 helpdesk where applicants don't really need many skills past a pulse
      After the current outsourcing trend, I foresee a zombification trend. Thus, helpdesk applicants won't even need a pulse! And this trend is already starting. Take for instance my manager. He doesn't seem to have a heart, let alone a pulse.
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    5. Re:That's what I've been billed as... by infinite9 · · Score: 1

      "The days of the one page resume are long gone."

      ummmm No.


      I've been writing software professionally for seventeen years. I've been a consultant for the last ten. I've had to condense my resume to get it down to ten pages. Anything more than ten years old gets a quick sentence or two on the resume. The more recent work has far more detail. The first page of my resume only lists buzzwords so that I get pulled out of search engines. I can't even count the number of times a stupid recruiter called me saying things like, "Your resume says AIX, HP-UX, and Solaris... but do you know UNIX?" So now my resume lists the word "UNIX" in addition to all of the individual flavors. I also have a statement at the top of that page that says "This page is here to satisfy search engines." The truth these days is that usually, the employer will not be reading your resume first, the recruiter will be. They're simply buzzword parsers. And they're likely to rearrange or otherwise mangle your resume before passing it on to the hiring manager anyway.

      If you remove skills, buzzwords, experience, or other details from your resume just to fit it into one page, you're hurting yourself, severely. You can rest assured that no one is printing out your resume and reading it all the way though. Most likely, they're using key word searches in microsoft word to find the bits about the skills they're looking for, then only reading those parts. Key word searches don't care if they find a match on page one or twenty.

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  26. There are two types of employers by MikShapi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Those that employ Hammer-Engineers and Screwdriver-Engineers, as opposed to those who employ carpenters.

    I'm in the same spot you are. I'm a coder, a sysadmin, I do server support, desktop support, network support, firewalls, routers, topology planning, you name it. Geek through and through.

    My experience teaches me I'll NEVER be happy in a place that hires Hammer Engineers. Why? for one thing, because I'd be undervalued from day one ("How many years of experience do you have managing Veritas Netbackup?" ... "3, but I've been a sysadmin for 15 and did other backup software etc etc..", "No, we're looking for a Veritas Netbackup Engineer who did this for at least 5 years". These people see me as a junior netbackup "engineer" of 3 year experience and lots of totally irrelevant other history. As far as they care, I could have been shoveling shit for the rest of my career, it wouldn't matter. They can't see the relevance.

    Now, if by any odd fate you'd end up working there, you'd be sitting among people who made a career of running Netbackup, or Solstice Disksuite, or BMC, or notepad, or whatever. People the majority of whom cannot manage their own windows box. People who don't meddle and tweak and experiment what they're given to, seeing themselves as specialists in their field and knowing nothing but ("You're a SOLARIS administrator! WHY are you wasting your time on practicing your coding skills?!")

    This is, of course, an extreme case, but it's a real-life one I've worked on and hated every second.
    Contributing factors are size of company, non-technical management (the level of management directly responsible for hiring the tech people, not senior management) that have limited capability of gouging how well a candidate fits a role other than by narrowing down the scope of the role to something their non-technical minds can grasp and putting a numeric estimate (# of years experience) on that. Companies with high employee turnover rates that use these narrow-scope-job-roles to easily replace people, etc.

    I'm not an Open Source fanboy. I'm pragmatic both ends of the divide, and am just as good using paid solutions as unpaid ones. I'm for *thinking*, then doing what's best. These hammer-engineer-hiring companies typically stay away from the thinking bit, some having policies dictated by FUD-overfed clueless management. When I mentioned simple solutions like using some Open Source tools, I ran into a fucking concrete wall, just making me more frustrated.

    I've since moved to a company that hires carpenters. ONLY carpenters. When I hit here, there were 3 of us taking care of a 300-odd-employee organization, ~100-200 servers, 3 int'l subsidiaries, and everything from PABX to desktops to servers. Needless to say, all three of us were complete JOAT's that had the required skills to put into production anything the organization required, given access to google, the net, and a reasonable amount of time to learn and implement the topic.
    We've since become 8 people, and being a Jack-of-All-Trades is the only way one would ever get to work here. The sysadmins code, the coders can do their [linux!] desktop box without desktop support changing their diapers.

    This kind of employer is YOUR home court. Whereas you would almost always be undervalued, underpromoted and underpaid at the former kind, here you are valued significantly higher than a specialized candidate. Needless to say, the proximity of likeminded individuals will very simply and in the most literal sense, make your work really really fun.
    If I had a gazillion dollars, I'd quit my former job, yet I would keep working at this one because I enjoy it.

    To narrow down the places you want to be looking for, look for the following:
    1. Places that are not afraid to use open-source. More often then not (obviously not always) this requires people who "know their shit" to properly piece together and manage.
    When I was looking for a job, I found the following search criteria to plug into job-ad searches to

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    1. Re:There are two types of employers by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that's some very good and very well thought out advice.

    2. Re:There are two types of employers by futuresheep · · Score: 1

      If it were my mod day, I'd give you another 'Insightful'.

    3. Re:There are two types of employers by anticypher · · Score: 1

      Those that employ Hammer-Engineers and Screwdriver-Engineers, as opposed to those who employ carpenters.

      Snarfed, with thanks.

      I saw this analogy this morning and was able to use it in a meeting a few hours later. Not that it made any difference to the client, who has taken clue resistance to an art form. They didn't just want a hammer-engineer, they were upset they couldn't find a dozen yellow-handled-2.3Kg-hammer-engineering-specialist s with 20 years of experience building houses in exactly one day. Assholes!

      I'll probably use your phrase more often in the future.

      The rest of your post was pretty good, too.

      the AC

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  27. Ive tried, doesn't work. by Shados · · Score: 1

    I'm a developer, sysadmin, software architect, system architect, business and functional analyst, in both unix and windows environments, and senior in a few high demand development environment: no one gives a flying duck. If its a software architect job, they don't give a flying duck about the system architecture. If its a developer job, they don't care about my Java experience if its a C# job. Even worse? They don't care about my C# experience if its a VB.NET job, and vice versa (wtf, there's like 6 keywords of difference and a slightly altered event model). So what I do? 1 resume per job I apply to. That works. Well. Just have to creatively word things out: "X years experience in .NET environments including Y years in C#". That catches the fish, while stating things as they are do not.

  28. An awful lot of "doesnt work" replies by StewedSquirrel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are an awful lot of "that doesn't work" sort of replies, but I'd beg to differ.

    The jobs are MUCH harder to find than specialized jobs, because you'll be working for a small firm- a startup, or some other limited size organization. They wont' be the ones posting on monster.com - craigslist, maybe, but not the big job sites.

    If you don't find anything by casually looking around, you might want to get creative and inventive. I landed a job once by directly approaching the owner of a company who was growing 300% per year and selling the idea of "do it right from the start" sort of IT approach. Actually, it was a 6 month contract with the option to hire me at the end (which I refused, even though he wanted me). I set up Active Directory, established policies and procedures, built up their infrastructure, data storage, accounting and upgraded their workstations. I built their website into something useful instead of boring and empty and I built a helpdesk that could help manage the company as it grew bigger.

    I'm currently "IT Director" for a small company. I only have one person working for me, but I'm paid alright. I think folks are right when they say that generalists have a salary cieling. It's a unfortunate truth that unless I'm willing to go into corporate middle-management where I could potentially make a ton of money, but be busy in board meetings and very rarely get my hands dirty, I'm stuck with a 5-figure salary. High 5-figures, but still stuck. However, within a startup, you can position yourself as a driver of ideas and perhaps end up in upper management as the company grows. There are additional benefits such as stock options, profit sharing and such, that are not available to your average specialized techie within the corporate world.

    The stock options from my previous employer are starting to look very tantalizing as there are rumors of a buyout or IPO circulating. Suddenly, 10,000 shares begins to look like $500,000 and my time stuck behind a $70k salary quickly begins to morph into an actual paycheck of more than $200k per year, but on the other hand, a poor startup can end up costing you money as you find yourself working without pay now and then when money is tight, only to see the company fold just as you are expecting a Christmas bonus.

    Fortunately, my recent experience has set me up as a bit of a security specialist and I've begun to do some contract work for a large security company, deploying firewalls, security appliances and such. This job, if i were to take it full time, would definitely be a 6-figure opportunity and would lead to potential future contracts with customers that often pay 6-figures for 6 months of work doing highly specialized security deployment and management.

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    1. Re:An awful lot of "doesnt work" replies by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      They wont' be the ones posting on monster.com

      Whoa! Slow down there, pal. I work for a small company and have the job the poster is looking for. 2 of the 3 of us here (we're all developers that do what's needed in all areas, but myself more so than the other 2) were found on Monster, and the third was found by 1 of us on a meeting site.

      I had actually stopped looking on Monster because I wasn't getting any replies. To appease the career counsellor at the college I graduated from (I was getting desperate!) I finally went back and used all the jobs sites again. Monster was on my 'least likely' list, and yet it's the one that I found the job on.

      Granted, when I applied for the job, it wasn't a 'jack of all trades' position. It was merely developing. But as the load grew and the 'sysadmin' (system/db/network/etc) couldn't keep up, I helped. Eventually he quit and I took over his responsibilities as well as mine. I get huge raises every year and love my job, and the companies is more than happy not to have had to replace the sysadmin directly.

      My point: Odd jobs like this don't follow rules. You can't say 'you'll not find one there'.

      As for my advice for the poster: If you can't find what you want immediately (and I think you're past that point), you should take a job as 1 of the things you want to be, and work on impressing the company with your skillset. The job may grow into what you want, instead of existing from the start.
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    2. Re:An awful lot of "doesnt work" replies by DefenderThree · · Score: 1

      Just curious: You aren't associated with Dynamic River, are you?

  29. A few tips by dave562 · · Score: 1
    First of all, be as detailed as possible in your resume. I was in the market for a new job about a year ago and I have a little over a decade of IT experience. In that time I've done Novell, Windows, databases, security, servers, workstations, networks (WAN/LAN), blah blah blah. I tried to condense it all down into a single page resume. Eventually I talked to a tech recruiter and he summed up my resume by saying, "You have ten plus years of experience but a single page resume? You need more detail." So like others have already suggested here, point out specifics. I spent my last seven years a consultant. In that seven years I racked up a HUGE list of accomplishments and once I sat down and started to bullet point those accomplishments, the resume grew to the size that it should have been.

    To rehash what others have said, you basically have two options... General purpose IT guy for a small company, or consulting. If I were you, I'd look at consulting. I think that any company in their right mind would be hesitant to turn over all of their IT operations to a guy who just came out of college. They are going to want someone with experience in the business world. The person who lands the JOAT position in a small shop needs some managerial experience, and proven skills when it comes to project management and interacting with other executives.

    The consulting company that I left to work at my current position would be a perfect fit for you. They do general purpose IT consulting for small/medium sized businesses. They need a person who they can throw into the deep end of the pool who won't drown and won't bring down the systems while trying to troubleshoot the problem. Competent IT consulting shops are a lot like plumbers... there are a lot of them, but there are few competent ones. Therefore the competent ones are always up to their eyeballs in work and are often times looking for help. For what it's worth my boss found my replacement on Craigslist of all places. When I was searching around for jobs, I found that Dice was pretty tech recruiter biased and very position specific. They weren't looking for JOAT people. They were looking for "Systems Admin Level II" kind of positions.

  30. You sound like any-old sysadmin I've known by CPE1704TKS · · Score: 1

    Most sysadmins are jack-of-all-trades, so really your skills aren't out of the ordinary at all. In fact, they seem a bit lacking. I am a programmer by trade, however, I am also a hardcore networking enthusiast (should have gone for my CCIE when I had the chance) as well as Windows/UNIX sysadmin (for a few years of my career I was a NT admin).

    If you really want to fatten your resume, you should beef up your networking expertise because that seems to be your weak point. No one cares about video conferencing specialist. Get your CCIE (probably the only cert that has any meaning whatsoever).

    As to career path, depending on how young you are, take a crappy low-level job at a big company like a bank where you can get exposure to a lot of different technologies, but specialize in networking. Networking will always be crucial. If you want maybe sysadmin stuff, however, sysadmin work might just be relegated to India going forward.

  31. Meh by noz · · Score: 3, Funny

    You don't have 3 years .NET experience with RUP and Agile development methodologies. Forget it.

  32. Systems Integration by Copperhead · · Score: 1
    Many of the defense contractors have a group of systems integrators, who have the job of taking the high level designs that the systems engineers come up with and actually doing the implementation. It's a really fun job to start out your career, since you'll get to travel around the country and around the world doing a lot of challenging work.

    Another option is a field engineer. Many times, different remote jobs don't have the budget to hire a slew of specialists, and need a person who can deal with sysadmin work, but also do hardware troubleshooting, and general "anything to keep the system running" work. They'll know a little bit about everything in the system.

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  33. Aim higher with your job search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Aim higher. 10 years ago, I found myself in the same boat as you, just swap some buzzwords fpor my skills at that time (C/C++/Corba, X/Motif, POSIX-UNIX, Win32, MacOS, Admin, telephony, InstallShield, Oracle, DB2, MS-SQL, Nortel, Cisco, VPN, ...). I landed a consulting gig at double my prior salary as a Technical, Application, Network, Security, and Database Architect. I barely code anymore. Schedules, budgets and overall "Solution Designs" are what I do now. Nultiple teams of folks follow my designs through implementation. Everything from "add 3 disk drives to server", to upgrade our WAN for 20 locations from T1s to redundant DS3s (or better), to tell us what we need to run this $40M peice of software (about 76 servers it turned out).

    There's enough technical work to be fun, enough control to be satifying, and enough really smart people working with me who are experts in each of THEIR fields, but I'm responsible for the overall architecture, budget, schedule, and any problems during and post implementation. We form a team, work together, I document what we plan to do, how much, how long, and present it to upper management for approval/rejection. The end customer usually works a business case, unless this is something like an email server migration, or other enterprise infrastructure project.

    And the paycheck isn't bad either.

  34. Big or Small by Gybrwe666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You really didn't specify what kind of company you prefer. And the answer to your question will come down to that particular preference.

    If you want a job in any Mid-Enterprise ($200M to $1B annual revenue) size company or above, you will generally *NOT* be a jack of all trades. These companies generally have HR personnel, and are big enough that managers are generally not plopping down on Monster.com and finding resumes. As such, any HR person or recruiter is going to cull resumes (no matter where they get them from) based on a few keywords. If their looking for a NOC technician, they'll search for network, monitoring, Cisco (or whatever the infrastructure is) and maybe a few other key pieces (CiscoWorks, etc.). If they find a resume with those keywords duplicated a few times, especially over a few jobs, they'll pass it on to the hiring manager. If they don't see those words, they generally just bit-bucket it and move on.

    As such, as many other have mentioned, if you are looking at any larger organization, you need to target your resume to a real job. Sending in resume's randomly not knowing what jobs are open won't work. Sure, they'll have a policy that resume's submitted need to be kept on file for X months, but my experience is that older stuff, which isn't fresh in the persons mind, just never gets dredged up.

    For full disclosure, my company does IT staffing, although I'm not in that portion of the business. However, I've now seen that from the inside and out, and every company we work with, and every staffing firm we work with, they all work the same way.

    Now, if you're going for a small company, with fewer than 100 employees and not much in the way of critical needs, then you can play the jack of all trades and get away with it. These companies can't/won't afford an expert in each technology, and mostly need someone with enough knowledge to keep the running on a day to day basis, as well as plan for the future as it comes along. However, such jobs can be a pain (you'll never know when you'll simply get deluged with 20 broken laptops in one day right after the email server gets hit with a spam onslaught and the local phone company suddenly decided to route your main DID number to another county. And they can also cause stress in the sense that in many of those companies you'll be close enough to top management that you'll be forced to interact with them, but many, if not all, won't have a clue about what you do. Justifying upgrades can be a real pain in the a$$, and the overtime can get old.

    I have a good friend who works for a fairly famous small firm here in my town. He's the go-to guy for everything more complicated than an electrical pencil sharpener. The smartest thing he ever did was go to the owner early on and let her know that there were some things he couldn't do, some things he wouldn't do, and there were times when he wasn't going to be able to do them. For each of these things, he gave her a strategy for supporting them (say, having service contracts on ultra-high end printers, or having a local company that could provide on-site and phone support when he went on vacation a few times a year.

    So it really depends on what you want, and what kind of company. You have to tailor your resume and job search to that segment.

    And remember: the best jobs never get posted on the internet, but get snapped up via word of mouth within days of someone deciding they're going to hire someone. Never, ever underestimate the power of networking and talking and keeping in contact with people from your past.

    Bill

    1. Re:Big or Small by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      And remember: the best jobs [...] get snapped up via word of mouth within days of someone deciding they're going to hire someone
      My experience is different; I've always relied on jobs in the magazines and posted on the internet. Once I've recommended someone at my then-current employer and got some flack when it didn't work out. My point is; why bother?

      I leave lending of money to banks. Similarly, I leave job recommendations to recruiters.
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  35. I fit the bill.. by geniusj · · Score: 1

    I've been where you are and have found something out along the way. Specializing in a problem or set of problems will net you more than specializing in specific technologies. I personally specialize in architecture scalability largely in the web 2.0 sphere. It is something that requires fairly extensive knowledge of (and being able to design and implement) many technologies including systems, networks, storage, databases and code. Consulting marketed towards specific sets of problems might be your solution. Once you gain that kind of reputation, you won't be worrying about employment for a long time.

  36. Go to a professional resume writer by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    List all the schtuff you know and have done and send it to a professional resume writer. You won't like the result at all, but it is not meant for you, it is meant for the human resources manager that is standing between you and the job you want. Try this place: http://www.theladders.com/ You'll find the resume writers there too. It works. Believe me!

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  37. Glass houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "If you're writing skills are that bad,"

  38. ROI by piranhas · · Score: 1

    Talk about how you saved somebody money and/or how you used technology to make people more productive. When you describe how you contributed to an organization you show that you know how to add value to an organization. Listing a half of a page of technologies does not say much about your ability to produce results.

  39. Network Specialist by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    Although you see yourself as a Jack of All Trades (Master of None), what you are really doing is connecting any and all kinds of computer systems together - Windows, Linux, Sun, Telephones, Video, ISDN, TCP/IP, Satcom, yadda, yadda - and integrating them into a working system. Sir, you are a Network Specialist. Market yourself as a Network Administrator. The reality is that there are many people like you out there, but most of them are not very good at it, since most don't know Jack about anything...

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  40. Be careful what you wish for by kc7cfk · · Score: 1

    I provide user support in a medium-sized goverment enterprise. My users expect me to provide support for all things electrical, up to and including electric staplers, pencil sharpeners and personal space heaters! (Always fun to find those plugged into the same surge protector as their CPU...) Jack of all trades indeed.

    1. Re:Be careful what you wish for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. One day, as I was sweeping out the 1st floor network closet because I'm the only one who has access to it, the Building Administrator looked and said with a crooked grin on her face, "other duties as required, eh?"
      This was 10 minutes after we headed a meeting for planning a new facility. [chuckle]

  41. Networking... by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

    And, no, not the kind that computers use. I'm wondering why no one has mentioned networking yet.

    Some know just how to work HR, but I find I can't cold call on the typical HR weenie. They aren't geeks-- they don't care about technical stuff. They have extremely narrow views, and will dismiss as bragging and puffing up anything that doesn't fit their assumptions about what is possible. Might even count against you because they'll think you're lying. And they won't test you because they can't, they lack the imagination or knowledge. Or they'll do the "anything I don't understand can be done in six minutes" assessment and will totally fail to see the significance, difficulty, and greatness of some accomplishment. And count it against your communication skills if you try to explain, because you should've made it clear on the resume. Besides, they've got hundreds of resumes to get through for 2 or 3 positions. Short shrift is common and necessary. How exactly to tailor a resume for this arbitrary environment I've never figured out.

    The best way is through recommendations. Get a trusted person's glowing recommendation, and skip right past HR to someone who has a need and so isn't going to fool around, can hire, and does have a clue. The resume is then just a list of the things you'd like to do, still needed, but no longer a target for a dart throwing contest.

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  42. System Administrator position in Los Angeles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ultimatemonty, we are a small software development company in Torrance, CA (Los Angeles area) and we have a really hard time finding a qualified system administrator. Send me your resume: zpdixon at gmail.com if you are in the Los Angeles area or willing to relocate. This is a serious request. We have Linux/OpenBSD/Windows servers, Windows/Linux workstations, we rely on and believe in open source, we buy and build most machines from newegg, the ambiance is great, and we are growing.

    So send me your resume (or anybody else who is interested in this position).

    1. Re:System Administrator position in Los Angeles by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      You didn't even bother to log in. How is he supposed to trust some anonymous stranger with his personal information?

      LK

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    2. Re:System Administrator position in Los Angeles by this+great+guy · · Score: 1

      I moderated in that thread, hence my AC post. But blowing off the 2 points I spent is definitely a reasonable price to pay to find a decent sysadmin, assuming it can help people believe in the offer. -- zpdixon at gmail.com

    3. Re:System Administrator position in Los Angeles by Sobrique · · Score: 1

      's no worse than posting your CV on monster.com.

  43. Market yourself as a specialist, first by VeryVito · · Score: 1

    I found myself in the same boat a few years ago, and rather than seek the low-paying, junior desk jockey jobs, I created a different resume for each field in which I was interested. They all listed the same positions, but played up specific aspects of each past job. For instance, if a potential employer was looking for a Linux guru to run a server farm, I listed my admin duties at the top of the bullet stack for my dot-com IT position, and followed them with a final "Other duties include graphic design, web programming and ferret farming." If the target employer was seeking Java development skills, however, I played that experience up first, and listed the network administration duties among the "other duties." Don't apply for jobs you don't think you're competent to perform, of course, but don't sell your skills in any particular field short if you know those are the ones they want to see (and you're qualified to do). Truth is, I've never seen an IT job (or wanted to see one) that ONLY required one skill. If you're a decent programmer and a quick learner, for example, it doesn't take long for you to become the expert your resume makes you out to be.

  44. Two words... by pookemon · · Score: 1

    Help desk

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  45. From a guy who was once in your position by OddlyMoving · · Score: 1, Interesting

    As much as everyone's telling you to specialize, play up a certain aspect of your resume, I say forget it.

    Bill yourself as the guy who can do everything. More importantly, convey your ability to learn new things, how flexible you are and how you can cut across different areas of knowledge and come up with novel solutions. But most of all, let them know you're the guy to go to. That you can be responsible for a project and see it through.

    I started out in a small shop working for an extremely smart guy who believed in my potential. And while I left after six months, and went through a series of jobs where I fell in to half through dumb luck, the other half by marketing myself the way I told you to, and a myriad of consulting jobs picked up by both reputation and more dumb luck ... I ended up right back where I started, 10 years later. I've taken all the experience I learned along the way, in project management, in working with large scale systems, working with server farms, starting a business, developing products and even all the little grunt work in between and am applying it all at the company I first started out at. I'm highly compensated now and my future's pretty well set.

    What did take awhile to develop was the attitude and the accumulated experience to get recognized. It mostly happened for me around year 7 - everything began to change. Not only was I starting to look at work not as something to be suffered through and where I was underappreciated - but that it was a place where I could benefit by 1) making money 2) learn how to take care of business and 3) execute. This is also when the big money offers started to come in, for strange sounding or odd positions you can't find a million people to fill such as Technical Account Manager, Operations Expert etc.

    Looking to hit a small shop where you're the jack-of-all-trades IT manager might not be a bad place to start. It'll help get you get used to being responsible to a T.

    Always remember: you will be limited only by your imagination and the integrity you keep not only with others, but with yourself. Good luck.

  46. Ceiling cat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  47. Re:Don't do that, Tech and Quality assurance by 3chuck3 · · Score: 1

    Actually one of the hot IT areas now are working in Techical and Quality Analysists for Offshored ERP's and CRM's.

    To design and test ways to assure that the company is getting back a product that they can use in their business, you need a wide background in IT fields: Multiple Server/Workstation Platforms, LAN, WAN, Routing, and Firewall deployement configuration Knowledge.

    Could be areas you can look into.

  48. Not much choice by sysadmintech · · Score: 1

    27 years in IT. Hired before finishing 1st degree to manage mini-main systems. Novell certified and did many installs since '88. MSCE and TCP/IP proficient '94. Many large infrastructures CAT/Fiber I pulled and installed the racks.
    About 6 years ago, when I started to have trouble getting work to the newly degreed, I went back to school for a "new" CS. I have continued my graduate education in IT security.
    I haven't worked in 6 years since At&t sold Broadband (previous @Home) to Comcast. I have little choice but to show on my resume that I have done it all. 23 of the 24 companies I worked for in the '90s went out of business within 6 months of my leaving. I know of at least 3 situations where outside vendors have lied about me to get me removed to sell their products to the companies. The one that is still in business told my employer that I am an ax murder to get me removed and literally only replaced the IBM CASES with Gateway CASES and said that with the new CASES would mean the company no longer needed ANY IT staff. It cost the company over 1 million and 6 months downtime to repair and the company today still has over $500,000 in costs per year due to the incident. So, I think their are a many situations on my resume that when or if contacted, my leaving caused the end or great loss of the business as well as a number of lies from murder to leader of a drug cartel.
    I am a member of a number of UGs and am well known throughout the industry, but seem to be blackballed because of loyalty to the companies I worked for, not vendors. As a jack of all trades in IT, I will have to accept the fact that I am un-hire-able for the present time. I am a great interviewer, but it is inevitable that the department heads end up realizing that I am much more knowledgeable that they are in a number of areas and that their programs are wrong and vendor oriented. It turns out that being able to program, admin, sysop, manage, install ... are a detriment to working in IT.
    Luckily, I'm a kind of smart guy. I realized in '84 that data was worth money, not software or hardware. I started a data processing company that 23 year later is still considered the "great one" amongst the smaller DP firms. We had always been a "east coast" company, but 6 months ago we dropped all out east coast accounts and started working "west coast" It was a great decision and we are more profitable and management is much easier.
    I have missed out on a number of opportunities over the last 27 years, but have caught the wave on others. One of my biggest detriments in IT is that I am honest. When MS said that Office was better than WP, I said it was a lie, and worked for WP. When they said that AD was better than NW, I said it was a lie, and supported Novell (still do today). When linux 1st got hot in the late '90s, I said it was great and wouldn't "disappear". I am part of a major LUG today and considered among many in the movement an expert on linux projects. I came out strongly against outsourcing and still today as the recent 2 year report states that outsourcing is much more expensive and the only money made in outsourcing is by the manager. I worked for ComputerWorld and made a ton of money on PC sales when the PC was introduced. I made a ton of money installing Novell in the late '80s. I made good money working for Fox Software and later for DB programming companies. Since I'd sysop'ed unix mains for 8 years, I made good money setting up network administration in IT departments in the early '90s. When cable moved into ISPs, I was responsible for 80% of the area installs with NT servers and routers. I made a number of web sites in '94-5, but after that the companies that were requesting web sites did not need them and were going to lose a lot of money, so those willing to lie to them telling them they'd get rich made sites for them. I taught CS for 6 years at a major institution. When the startups (i.e. @Home) started to get eaten up by the big boys with thousands of cisco routers, I made money.
    Showing that you know a lo

    1. Re:Not much choice by dsmark · · Score: 1

      I read your post, and I am just starting out in my IT career. I have a BSc. in CS and I do all things IT, I actually like IT over CS. Anyway I want to contact you regarding something. Please email me @ dsmark111 [at] yahoo .com Thanks!!

    2. Re:Not much choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      feel better now?

  49. Looking to hire someone just like you... by GeekZilla · · Score: 1

    Send me an email with resume if you would be interested in a consulting job in Spokane, WA.

    "Friendly, experienced and motivated network admin who is comfortable working side-by-side with the client at their place of business. Duties include network installation and support. Some travel. "

    I need someone who can learn to program and design databases also. Network Admins/Programmers are few and far between. Most people specialize-but we need people who can do both (works better for our small company).

    email me at consulting a-t nhspokane*d o t*com

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  50. Wage slave by jawahar · · Score: 1
  51. Thanks for all the tips! by ultimatemonty · · Score: 1

    This is the reason I submitted this to Slashdot - the community never fails to thoroughly answer a question that is asked of it! Thanks for all the advice and tips, and even the couple of job offers that were posted! I'm currently located in south Georgia (Valdosta, GA) and looking for something in the Atlanta, GA area (preferably north metro area), so if anyone has something to offer in that area, email me at ultimatemonty[at]gmail[dot]com

    What I got out of all this is either start out with a small company where I can use my full skillset, or specialize and look at larger companies. I think I prefer small companies. Working at a mid-size university (12,000 students, ~5,000 employees) the past 7 years has taught me that I definitely can't stand dealing with the politics and bureaucratic BS of mid-size and larger firms. Unfortunately, I also know that I'll have to deal with it to some degree no matter where I end up, but a smaller shop seems more manageable and generally seems to be more relaxed, which I love. My current boss doesn't care what time I show up to work or what I wear, as long as what needs to get done, gets done. I doubt I find something even remotely close to this out in corporate America, but I can always hope =)

    Thanks again for all the feedback!

    --Monty

  52. Sadly misguided with no real world experience by anticypher · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You don't really know what a true Jack of All Trades is, if you think there is one for IT. IT is only one trade.

    In the IT world, the job title with a wide range of IT skills as you described is called a Systems Administrator. If you have some networking and telecoms experience on top of that, you can call yourself a Network Administrator. This is what corporations, large and small, hire. When larger companies need a specialist to perform a highly complicated job, say setting up a new windoze AD domain, they find someone who can do that job internally and task them with it. Small shops have JoATs out of necessity, but there is no real job growth, adventure, or chance to make it big. Your best bet is to network and find some startup with potential, as everyone at the startup will be performing every necessary job because they can't afford specialists.

    I've met some Jacks of All Trades in my life, and they had one thing in common, they were willing to work in remote locations and they had one extremely valuable skill on top of the breadth of other skills. Ex-military for the most part, having learned a few extreme skills during their hitch, then combining those skills with many others. Deep sea underwater construction, land mine clearance, petroleum exploration, or supporting relief missions in trouble spots.

    For a true Jack, IT (all of IT combined) is just one trade. Everything from compiling kernels, rebuilding power supplies, setting up satellite communication networks, fixing email servers, twiddling databases, configuring routers are all rolled up as just a single skill, a bullet point in a long list of other trades. When they are in a remote location and faced with technical problems, they overcome and move on. No corporation with an IT department ever needs someone like that.

    In addition to IT skills, add to that a whole bunch of real world skills.

    Be a pilot, able to fly both fixed and rotary wing craft. Be able to file international flight plans, deal with airport and fueling fees, and negotiate customs at airports. Many organisations want aircraft repair skills as well, for jobs far from civilization.

    Drive a truck, one of the big ones for hauling 40 tonnes of goods, and the ability to get the truck across national borders. Diesel repair skills go along with that.

    Welding seems to be a necessary skill for every JoAT I've met, along with some basic metalworking, carpentry, and electrical. 19" racks may be plentiful and in good repair in data centres where you work, but in the field you probably have to lash up a rack and cooling systems from the materials at hand.

    Press relations, diplomacy, accounting, and a whole host of other trades that will allow you to work autonomously are necessary.

    On top of all these other skills, every Jack I've ever known (and a few Jills), had one extreme specialisation. Doctors and nurses, ordinance disposal, undersea welding; each one required a tremendous amount of specialised learning, usually at the beginning of their career. They then added onto that base many other skills necessary for jobs that take them far from cubicle farms and obnoxious managers.

    The myth of a Jack of All Trades also being limited to Master of None possibly stems from some hack Sci-Fi writer in the early 1980s, and just doesn't exist. If you don't have one skill completely in depth, abandon any hope of ever being hired for your breadth of skills.

    If you want a job where your JoAT skills can help, you have to move completely outside of corporate IT life. Look at Medecins Sans Frontiers for an idea of what a real life JoAT needs to know. They often need support personnel for their medical missions, volunteers with a stipend. They won't even consider you without IT skills, radio communications, truck driving, repair of medical equipment, multiple languages, and a knowledge of security in hostile environments. You can learn some of it as you grow into the role, every ex-MSFer I've known swears it was

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  53. Re:Don't do that, Tech and Quality assurance by Corwn+of+Amber · · Score: 1

    So, lemme gezzat straight :
    Companies outsource their IT dev tems.
    Companies then need new IT teams to make sure the Indians at the other end really understood what was asked.

    So they're NOW hiring LOCAL people because it was SO MUCH CHEAPER to outsource the job in the first place? Is that even profitable?

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  54. Specialize or begone by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1
    I was in the same spot and I have to agree. Trying to scatter-gun this approach will leave you wanting. You should really try and pick the parts you like to work with, as well as those that have a high presence in your area, or where you would like to work. That way you expose yourself to more things you like, while making yourself more specialized


    I chose to focus on UNIX/Linux and Enterprise Storage. I gave up on Networking/VPNs and Windows side administration. I think the focus helped my career path.

  55. Just say "Jack of all trades" by charleste · · Score: 1

    I am a "jack of all trades", and when I go to job interviews, they ask me what "I do". I list lots of things - starting with what they're looking for, and say "I'm a jack of all trades". And when they ask what I'm an expert in, I say (truthfully) "whatever I last used/did". And then go for the examples. As a contractor, this strategy of honesty has worked well for me. Don't over toot your own horn, and be frank. My 2 centavos worth.

  56. Using Slashdot For a Shameless Plug by returnoftheyeti · · Score: 1

    And pranking my boss. He'll be very sad when he discovers we sold his mouse pad. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1 &item=110148680540&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=001

  57. You forgot to mention by drachenstern · · Score: 1

    Are you hiring, or do you see yourself doing so in the near future?

    Aw screw that, just tell me what part of the world your located nearest (preferably large-city-wise) and I'll see if I can't move that way and impress ya.

    At least give us a chance to obtain the sort of happiness you enjoy...

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  58. Small companies will love you by fungol · · Score: 1

    Small companies always need generalists to fill in the gaps in their IT structure. Just make sure you have a good cover letter that explains your skill philosophy.

    Also, if you're interested in doing management or PMing, having a background as a generalist is golden.

  59. great plan... by sohp · · Score: 1

    if you like being hired for those sort of positions where they offer you $500 and a couple of weeks to build a cross-platform (windows 95 AND 98!) ACID multi-user threadsafe networked content management and document control system.

  60. Just graduated... by drwhite · · Score: 0

    I recently graduated with an IT degree and looking to bolster my resume and experience. I am currently working in IT for a Fortune 500 company but I really low on the totem pole. I am mainly a network/server person w/ experience in Unix/Linux systems. Also, in importance of programming as a network admin what languages are important to have? Bash, perl, sql etc?

    My question is what certifications would be worthwhile having? A+, CCNA, RHCE, MSCE etc? I have read that CCNA is really good to have for those looking to be network admins.

  61. Step Away From The MBA!!! by mpapet · · Score: 1

    I have a similar background and tackled it the way you are considering and found it to be a huge waste of time, extraordinary stress on the marraige and a big-money sink.

    Step 1: Get to a Senior management position first. You will need to burn a few personal relationships in the transitions. Surely a manager will disagree with me, but they will _never_ see it that way.
    Step 2: Get a lot of management experience preferrably at multiple companies.
    Step 3: Get MBA.
    Step 4: Profit!

    Going at it from the bottom has a very low probability of success. The only exception I can think of is an MBA from an East coast Ivy League school. Stanford is the only viable West Coast school big corporations consider valuable.

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  62. Think differently by aztuscani · · Score: 1

    Take your wide breadth of knowledge and experience, and look beyond those specialty jobs people are talking about so much(e.g., sysadmin, db admin, pc tech). Consider something beyond that like computer forensics, or even network security or incident response, where broad knowledge and general theory can be more beneficial then specific expertise.

  63. 17K on the W2 huh? Not too shabby. by drachenstern · · Score: 1

    I think I should hope to be about that for this year, after my deducs, however I just started this position, so I'm trying to gauge myself against others who do about the same thing. I tend to undervalue myself, and have to break the habit.

    Thanks for the response.

    Unfortunately for myself I live in the Houston metro area, so yeah, cost-of-living is sufficiently higher than it was where I lived previously, but only by about ten percent.

    Again, thx

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  64. Re:17K on the W2 huh? Not too shabby. by jonadab · · Score: 1

    In that case I probably also should mention that I started this job in 2000 and had significant pay raises (like, a dollar an hour type stuff) each of the first three or four years, though now with the budget cuts and the new director my raises have come down to earth a bit (more in line with inflation or a little higher, cost-of-living type stuff).

    OTOH, like I said, this is a city of twelve thousand people in central Ohio, so the cost of living is fairly tame. If I took a job in a big city (even a big city in Ohio, like Columbus, much less someplace like Houston) I'd be looking for a substantial pay increase in the bargain, or else I wouldn't take it.

    On the gripping hand, that may be partly because I do have several years of meaningful experience to put on my resume. When I didn't, I might have been willing to take less than what I got, if it was all that was on offer.

    Finally, money is nice to have, but it is not the only consideration. My current job is about three blocks from my house, so I can walk to work; we're closed on Sundays; and I'm a little bit of a bibliophile, so working at a library is nice from that perspective. Plus I'm part time, which leaves me enough time for some of the other things I do with my life, without burning the candle at both ends. These things are all worth something to me as well.

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