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Farscape (Kinda) Returns

westlake writes "In a weekend press tour, Sci Fi announced that Farscape would be resurrected on-line in ten short webisodes to be produced by the Jim Henson Company. There are hints that Ben Browder and Claudia Black will both be both "available." Browder has another project to keep him occupied, at least part of the time: Sci Fi also announced that it had picked up Going Homer, a miniseries he developed with "Farscape" director Andrew Prowse. Greek and Roman deities walk among us, but only 12 year old Homer Ulysses Jones can see them for what they truly are. When Homer and his father are forced to flee a custody battle that would likely separate them, they journey from Los Angeles to the home of their ancestors — in Ithaca, N.Y."

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  1. They can use that time to explain how/why they edited a season of story down to a couple hectic hours.

    1. Re:Good by FinchWorld · · Score: 1

      How? By much pleading. Why? They canceled Farscape, very annoying when the season ended with the main characters apparently being killed and the message "To be continued".

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    2. Re:Good by Arcane_Rhino · · Score: 3, Informative

      Go rent "The Peacekeeper Wars". All will be well.

  2. I hope this isn't... by 1937redskins · · Score: 1

    what they meant when they said "to be continued"....

    1. Re:I hope this isn't... by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

      I thought they did a movie or two to wrap it up past "to be continued" episode.

    2. Re:I hope this isn't... by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they made a 2-part miniseries. It was pretty awful though, and no substitute for a real season. Too much action. :/

  3. Farscape's strength was its weakness by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Farscape's super-long story arcs meant you had to be watching from the start, or at least for a very long time, if you wanted to understand what was going on. I fear this doomed it in the end, as people weren't able to just channel surf and get into it.

    I wish they'd bring back the show, but I guess this will do.

    1. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by Control+Group · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Farscape's super-long story arcs meant you had to be watching from the start, or at least for a very long time, if you wanted to understand what was going on. I fear this doomed it in the end, as people weren't able to just channel surf and get into it.

      Which made it perfect for release to DVD...if that had been done in a better (ie, cheaper) fashion. Not, of course, the Farscape was or is alone in charging prices that made it infeasible to buy an entire season.

      Really, I think there's an untapped market segment there; not just for Farscape, but for certain kinds of TV shows in general. I think it might eventually be a successful business model to plan your show around only having a few episodes on television, solely as marketing for the DVD release of the full season.

      I use the term "DVD release," but there's potential in a couple different places for a new model of on-demand viewing: Netflix' streaming rentals, for one. I could certainly see TiVo doing video push to STBs at some point. Cable already has pay-per-view and on-demand streaming infrastructures in place.

      We're not there yet, but I think it could happen. How many people would have paid for more episodes of Firefly, for example?

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    2. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by haplo21112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That was only part of it the original also suffered from "going way out there" at times. It pushed the limits past where some people could bear the strangeness. It was fairly well grounded in the first two seasons, but in the third it went to places that just about (and for some perhaps did) required LSD to get the story to make sense. I had my wife into the show, she is a SCIFI fan of the BSG, Stargate, DR Who, Trek and Star Wars type. FarScape just turned out to be WAY too much for her at times.

      It also honestly suffered from the same thing that every SCIFI channel show suffers from, utter lack of programming consistency. What day and time is that on? what months of the year? 13 weeks at a time and its coming back when? What other shows are on with it on SCIFI channel that night? Didn't that other show used to be on before it? after it?

      SCIFI channel was doing good for a while they had both StarGates and BSG all on the same night on Fridays. That was great, sit down watch all the good shows, great. Then they moved BSG to Sundays, put something else on not as good, the shows were not even in lock step as far as premiere and finale weeks anymore. SCIFI really needs to get clued in on the whole seasons thing, thats the way most people esspecially the casual watchers that could help improve the overall ratings prefer to watch TV.

      Don't even get me started on the "its getting its full run in England before its on in America" thing. Thats a great way to will ratings since the primary audiance are all going to bit torrent it so they can watch it at the same time as there peers on the otherside of the pond so the discussion boards are not a huge spoiler fest.

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    3. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

      >> I had my wife into the show, she is a SCIFI fan of the BSG, Stargate, DR Who, Trek and Star Wars type. FarScape just turned out to be WAY too much for her at times.

      The same thing happened for my wife. She is not that big of a sci-fi fan, but she likes Stargate and is usually fine watching much of the sci-fi I watch, but Farscape got too much for her. (Dr Who was too much for her too, but a different kind of too much.)

    4. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by gsaraber · · Score: 1

      Tivo already does video push, you can subscribe to a bunch of 'channels' and it basically downloads short 2-10 minute videos from places like cnet, NY times, rocketboom and a whole bunch more..
      and you can do video download rentals from amazon's 'unbox' service, the quality is about what my regular tv looks like, so very watchable, with specials for $0.99 per movie, its hard to beat..

    5. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

      That was only part of it the original also suffered from "going way out there" at times. It pushed the limits past where some people could bear the strangeness. It was fairly well grounded in the first two seasons, but in the third it went to places that just about (and for some perhaps did) required LSD to get the story to make sense. I had my wife into the show, she is a SCIFI fan of the BSG, Stargate, DR Who, Trek and Star Wars type. FarScape just turned out to be WAY too much for her at times.


      That's interesting - my wife can't stand most of the stuff that airs on Sci Fi, but loved Farscape.

      Although I'd agree about the writing being pretty inconsistent for the latter half of the series. I think the first episode we saw was "The Way We Weren't" (which was the "Officer Sun comes to terms with the fact that she killed Moya's former Pilot" episode), which was possibly the best episode they shot. It was just sort of on in the background, but after a very intense scene, my wife and I realized we'd been staring at the television, and said, "What the hell is this, and why haven't we been watching it up until now?"
    6. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by ReptilianSamurai · · Score: 1

      Thankfully, the Farscape DVDs have been re-released as "Starburst" editions. More special features (including exclusive interviews and several new commentaries), and a much cheaper price. That's how I got to see the series, and glad of it.

      Did I mention how excited I am that Farscape is returning?! Hopefully these "webisodes" will be longer than a few minutes each, I don't see how you could tell much story in something too short.

      And yes, I would gladly pay for more episodes of Firefly. *sigh*

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    7. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Really, I think there's an untapped market segment there; not just for Farscape, but for certain kinds of TV shows in general. I think it might eventually be a successful business model to plan your show around only having a few episodes on television, solely as marketing for the DVD release of the full season.

      The way things have been going, I've been wondering whether there might be a market for episodic material released directly to DVD, iTunes, and pay-per-view. Maybe I'm alone, but most of the TV I watch these days isn't the channel-surfing kind. I usually only watch a couple of series at a time, record them on my DVR, and then watch them when I have time-- and that's pretty much all the TV I watch. If I could just pay for those series' episodes, get them through iTunes or on-demand or something, and have it for a reasonable price, I might choose that instead of cable TV. I don't even feel like I need to "own" them (like buying a DVD). I usually don't watch the same episodes more than once, and if I could "rent" them, it'd be good enough.

    8. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by teal · · Score: 1

      Oh my God, this strangeness as you call it was so wonderful. A story line where you couldn't predict the ending 10 minutes into the show. A story line where you genuinely cared and empathized with the characters. A story line that made you pay attention and think once in a while. Not your usual bland TV fare but oh so much fun.

    9. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

      I didn't have any problem with it; my wife did. I thought it made for some very interesing episodes, but I could see how it would turn some of the audience off.

      I think going way beyond what Star Trek or Babylon 5 would ever do has a lot of merit, but I've seen a lot of the fans of those shows just kind of blow Farscape off like it never existed.

    10. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Maybe your wives should have watched Nearscape.

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    11. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by Phoobarnvaz · · Score: 1

      Don't even get me started on the "its getting its full run in England before its on in America" thing.

      Have to agree with you on this one. I was SHOCKED when I tuned into Dr. Who the other night to see Sci-Fi running the just completed season of Dr. Who. Was actually expecting to see the last 2 seasons with Billy Piper...which is what I'm seeing on BBC America.

      At least 1 good thing about Sci-Fi...only had to wait about 15 weeks...rather than 1-2 years to see what those in the UK had all ready seen. Now...if only BBC America would do the same thing.

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    12. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Scifi is, oddly, one of the most predictable genres out there on tv. I loved that I could actually be surprised by farscape, in almost the same way that a science fiction book would be surprising.

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    13. Re:Farscape's strength was its weakness by daigu · · Score: 1

      I had the exact opposite experience.

      My wife knows next to nothing about Sci-Fi, and we watched the entire Farscape series on DVD - watching a few episodes a night for a few months. We almost never watch TV, and we have never before or since stayed in to watch a show (much less on DVD) rather than do something else. I eventually also talked her into watching Firefly - partly because of the good Farscape experience - but I think she had more trouble with it because it was too familiar. I think it is much more difficult to conceptualize cowboys in space than it is to think about astronauts navigating very different cultures and science so advanced it seems like magic.

      However, I think another element that makes it interesting for her is that Farscape had longer story arcs that made it so that everything didn't have to get sewn up by the end of a particular episode, interesting characters that developed or had episodic mood swings (yes, I'm thinking of you Zan and D'Argo), and an element of the unexpected. It's rare for television fare to offer any of these things.

  4. Jim Henson Company by FlopEJoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    produced by the Jim Henson Company

    It's gonna be filmed with Muppets? Talk about chintsing on the budget!

    1. Re:Jim Henson Company by haplo21112 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The original Farscape was a Henson company production.

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    2. Re:Jim Henson Company by MontyApollo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Uh, it was always filmed with muppets. Never seen it?

    3. Re:Jim Henson Company by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 2, Funny

      The original was from Jim Henson Company, and it had several muppets in it >:)

    4. Re:Jim Henson Company by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Several main characters in the show were "muppets", including Pilot, Rygel, and Beaker.

      Err, wait, that doesn't look right...

    5. Re:Jim Henson Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Pilot, Rygel, and Beaker.

      Bravo!

    6. Re:Jim Henson Company by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 1

      "...Pilot, Rygel, and Beaker."

      "Bravo!"

      Sorry, I meant to say "Browder" :)

    7. Re:Jim Henson Company by Culture20 · · Score: 0

      This and other "pro-muppet" comments aren't "funny" they're accurate. Look it up or watch an episode, then mod Parent informative.

    8. Re:Jim Henson Company by fm6 · · Score: 1

      And, ironically, it was canceled because Sci Fi decided it cost too much. Muppets don't work cheap!

    9. Re:Jim Henson Company by evilviper · · Score: 1

      It's gonna be filmed with Muppets?

      As opposed to the previous episodes, which were filled with actual aliens...
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    10. Re:Jim Henson Company by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The original even had the odd guest appearance from the Skeksis, so why not?

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    11. Re:Jim Henson Company by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      Looks like with a lot of people, the joke went farscape over their heads.

    12. Re:Jim Henson Company by Temposs · · Score: 1

      Henson-style puppetry is no trivial feat. Even though he became famous doing puppetry programs for children, he was(he's dead) an amazingly accomplished artist besides, in the realms of painting and sculpture.

      If you don't know of Jim Henson's more serious work, I recommend you watch The Dark Crystal which is an excellent serious fantasy film.

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    13. Re:Jim Henson Company by aled · · Score: 1

      "...Pilot, Rygel, and Beaker."

      "Bravo!"

      Sorry, I meant to say "Browder" :)


      What do you mean? Pilot was a muppet?? ;-)
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    14. Re:Jim Henson Company by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Broder and Black can't get a break. First Farscape, now Stargate. And what did they cancel stargate in favor of?
      • Some crappy British serial treknobabble-comedy trash whose principle virtue I can discern so far is that it's "been on the air a really long time"?
      • A "mutant X" ripoff complete with it's own ubiquitous and unquestioned racial epithet?
      • A "Friday the Thirteenth: the series" ripoff with (ok, it would be hard to ripoff that series without improving it...)?
      • Wrestling? wtf? how scifi is wrestling? They don't even dress like KISS anymore.
      • Ten dozen random giant snake/crocodile movies? You'd think one film would be sufficient to cover the subject.

      I'm all for ending shows with dignity, but Scifi's choices are completely irrational. I mean, if they really are having money troubles, they should go back to how they built the damn channel in the first place: showing old scifi and "b" movies. There are plenty of terrible scifi films, they don't need to go out of their way to make their own...
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    15. Re:Jim Henson Company by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sci Fi's programming choices make no sense from the viewer's POV. But when you run a cable channel, you don't worry that much about keeping your programming non-ripoffy and consistent with your theme. You mainly worry about keeping your costs down without losing too much audience. It's not like cable companies can say, "Our viewers are sick of the Sci-Fi channel, we're going to drop it in favor of ..." For one thing, there isn't anything else that appeals to the same audience. For another, Sci-Fi belongs to NBC-Universal and is sold as part of a bundle — which cable companies have to order, because it includes must have stuff. In particular, it includes the programming from the local NBC affiliate, which they are required to show.

      If you're really pissed off by Sci Fi's programming decisions, write your congressperson and the FCC and tell them you think that bundling should be outlawed. Me, I don't care that much, because I've opted out of the whole cable TV ripoff. Which means waiting for shows to come out on DVD, but hey, I already have a 3-year backlog in my Netflix queue.

    16. Re:Jim Henson Company by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      It's not like cable companies can say, "Our viewers are sick of the Sci-Fi channel, we're going to drop it in favor of ..." For one thing, there isn't anything else that appeals to the same audience.

      Then

      Me, I don't care that much, because I've opted out of the whole cable TV ripoff. Which means waiting for shows to come out on DVD,

      Sounds like you found what people can drop them in favor of. I did the same thing, and we're not even close to being alone in that. Which is one of the reasons I think they're going with wrestling, the VCR generation which grew up with it is one of the last which isn't going to jump ship from cable altogether.

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    17. Re:Jim Henson Company by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      It's gonna be filmed with Muppets?

      As opposed to the previous episodes, which were filled with actual aliens... Actually, only the peacekeepers were played by aliens.
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    18. Re:Jim Henson Company by Superpants · · Score: 1

      Give me a muppet over CGI any day. As for the show itself, I prefer to think that nothing happened after the dude gave what's her face the wedding ring...voila, perfect ending to a great series.

    19. Re:Jim Henson Company by blagger99 · · Score: 1

      I remember that episode. Beaker was Rygel's gay love interest, right?

    20. Re:Jim Henson Company by wolverine1999 · · Score: 1

      Are you referring to Doctor Who as "treknobabble-comedy trash"?

      I fail to see how anyone could call it that way, actually nobody's ever done that before you, so you win a no-prize for that!

    21. Re:Jim Henson Company by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      The actors used to (jokingly, I think) complain that Rygel costed more than any of them did. This may explain why they quickly developed a habit of smacking around the Muppet whenever they could. (Mind you, there were actually several Rygels, including a face model, a normal model, and a stunt model. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if any one of them first two costed more than any given actor's salary.)

  5. Muppets in Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the gritty post-BSG era, can anyone really take Farscape seriously again?

    1. Re:Muppets in Space by setrops · · Score: 1

      >In the gritty post-BSG era, can anyone really take Farscape seriously again?

      I loved BSG's first and second seasons, but last year was total garbage.

      Same thing with Farscape everything going along fine until they blow up Moya and everyone aboard and the next episode everyone is back with no explanation?

      Next thing you'll know writers will take an ultimate cop-out and just finish a show with a fade to black.

    2. Re:Muppets in Space by PharCyDE · · Score: 1

      Moya blew up? What episode are you talking about?

    3. Re:Muppets in Space by Belacgod · · Score: 1
      The second half of season 2 was no good either. I think they crammed 6 episodes' worth of plot into the season finale, and 2 episodes' worth of plot into the previous 7 episodes.

      Honestly, I think they sat down after the miniseries and wrote out the whole plot up to Home, Part 2, then just winged it. The quality dropoff after that was marked.

    4. Re:Muppets in Space by AgentSmith · · Score: 1

      Take Farscape seriously again? Sure. Why not? We took SG-1 seriously when Claudia Black and Ben Browder had a chance to expand their range from their Farscape roles.
      But did we ever really take it too seriously. Farscape was the fun side of SF. It still could be.
      The only catch is: Will the webisodes be straight canon and storyline or more spinoff snippets. Learn from Star Trek. Spin offs- Just don't do it!

      BSG is good, but on the serious-o-meter let's take a look:

      Doctor Who-- 'Bout damn time! Hell for all the time it takes to get here, the Brits are probably on another generation. Reasonably serious, for all it's fun. Kinda the template.
      SG-1 Atlantis?-- Gettin' good, but it's like they are holding back. This franchise might be limping along. Still miffed they didn't actually close SG-1. Semi-serious. We know they can have fun.
      Eureka?-- Still waking out of its seasonal coma. The sad part of this show is when it tries to take itself too seriously.
      Painkiller Jane?-- Pthhhbbbtt!

      Farscape could also come back with a dramatic venegence. Battlestar has set the bar high again for that.

      Let see what we are Waitin' on:
      Heroes, BSG-- Oh yeah!
      Bionic Woman?-- Eick did well with his part in BSG. But we'll see. meh.
      Will Torchwood do anything?-- meh. Spinoffs like this make my feet itch.
      B5 Lost episodes?-- meh meh. J.M.S. is a master of storytelling, but we've spun off so much from B5 I'm getting whiplash in a tornado.
      Flash Gordon!?-- C'mon. Have people completely forgotten the early 80's? This has the equivalent draw of a fire in the town square.

      We have one original thing in Heroes out there. Everything else is remakes and spinoffs.
      Then again, is there anything new? If so, I like to know.

    5. Re:Muppets in Space by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

      It was gritty, but it still had problems, even in the 1st and 2nd seasons. For example, bridge officers commit mutiny, but everything is forgiven and they get their positions back. I think in some ways life on Pegasus was more realistic; maybe a blend of the two would have been better TV.

    6. Re:Muppets in Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have one original thing in Heroes out there. Everything else is remakes and spinoffs.


      The 4400 is decent.
    7. Re:Muppets in Space by totoanihilation · · Score: 1

      Hm. The parent most likely saw episodes out-of-sequence, or is confusing Moya with Elack.
      Elack is the ship that rescued a stranded Crichton at the beginning of season 4. She had retreated to her sacred burial ground to die. Fast-forward a few episodes. Elack crashes on a planet (incidently, on a set of landed peacekeeper marauders) to help our heroes escape.

      Hope this makes sense ;)

    8. Re:Muppets in Space by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      Flash Gordon!?-- C'mon. Have people completely forgotten the early 80's?

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    9. Re:Muppets in Space by iibagod · · Score: 1

      Torchwood season 1 is rather entertaining...more serious than Dr. Who, and definately more adult. If you're looking for more of Dr. Who, this ISNT the show to watch. My daughters and I watch Dr. Who religiously, but this is more CSI meets X-files with the Dr. Who history. Good references to previous Dr. Who history...this is the same universe (Um...Universe1, not Universe2...you know what I mean). Interesting to see what they can get away with in the UK, I bet the best parts will be left out once it comes across the pond. Torrents FTW!

    10. Re:Muppets in Space by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Not sure what you'd need to cut out... the gay references? That's just RTD's writing style - the new series of Dr.Who has a few too. The problem is if you cut those out several episodes of Torchwood wouldn't make sense at all (not that some of them made a lot of sense to start with...).

      Oh and it's properly called the Whoniverse.

    11. Re:Muppets in Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that the entire theme of BSG is forgiveness, right? I would have thought that by the end of season 3 (what, with the whole court case against Baltar, and the relatively obvious course of the upcoming season 4) that this theme would have been readily apparent to everyone by now. :(

    12. Re:Muppets in Space by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

      >>You do realize that the entire theme of BSG is forgiveness, right? I would have thought that by the end of season 3 (what, with the whole court case against Baltar, and the relatively obvious course of the upcoming season 4) that this theme would have been readily apparent to everyone by now. :(

      I'm saying that it is a flaw to my enjoyment, and it would be better without it (for me). It comes across as another TV cliche where actions have no consequences as long as you are a main character. The only difference is that at least BSG does not always require the obligatory "save everybody's ass and all sins are forgiven" cop-out used in most other shows (though I believe it has been employed at times).

      Like I said, I thought a cross of Pegasus and Galactica philosophy would be better TV. AND more "gritty" like everybody and their fuckin brother claim the show is. Throwing a main character out the airlock is more gritty than forgiving them and pretending it never happened and giving them their position and responsibility back.

    13. Re:Muppets in Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Minor correction: Elack was a male leviathan.

    14. Re:Muppets in Space by gnarlyhotep · · Score: 1

      "We have one original thing in Heroes out there."
       
      I have to disagree with this. It might be original for a TV show, but the characters and storylines are all far too similar to many comic books, to the point where entire arcs come off as nothing but thinly disguised ripoffs (days of future past from the xmen, most notably).
       
      I'm glad to see that genre being taken on in a serious manner by the TV networks, but it really can't be called original any more than yet another adaptation of the Odyssey can be called original.

    15. Re:Muppets in Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next thing you'll know writers will take an ultimate cop-out and just finish a show with a fade to black.
      Sopranos?
    16. Re:Muppets in Space by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Sounds about right. That, or there was the Leviathan with the degenerate PKs and the crazy genius with the twinning-device and a taste for brain juice. Crichton definitely blew that one up. (Crichton blew up damn near everything he touched, it sometimes seemed. Mike Nelson, eat your heart out!) Or the grandparent could be referring to Talyn's sacrifice.

  6. please no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    FTA:

    They are not going to do 10 full, 44-minute episodes for the Web. Each episode will be a few minutes long.


    Ugh... I hate webisodes. Please don't ruin Farscape. Anything less than 30 minutes is simply not enough to develop even the most trivial story, not to talk about the time our brain requires to adapt itself when one starts watching a show.

    Make it as a 3 part 45 minutes regular TV episodes and it won't suck like a webisode miniseries certainly will.
    1. Re:please no! by enjerth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps this might be a trial to see if there's an audience for a full restart?

    2. Re:please no! by changling+bob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It worked for Dr. Who

  7. I'd rather... by Hangin10 · · Score: 1

    I'd rather have my SG-1 back. SG-1, Eureka, and recently Dead Like Me are the only things I've managed to like on SciFi. Farscape was always far too silly for me (pun unintended).
    Unrelated Obligatory Sarcasm: Wrestling is Science Fiction!

    1. Re:I'd rather... by MontyApollo · · Score: 1

      >>Farscape was always far too silly for me

      It really wasn't that silly. The muppets would kind of lead you to believe that; you just had to get used to them.

      I actually got my wife to watch it for a while. She got past the muppets, but could not get past the existentialism.

    2. Re:I'd rather... by scoser · · Score: 1

      The only way I can figure that wrestling counts as "Science Fiction" is that the matches and storylines are the fiction part and the science part refers to all the work that went into creating the steroids the wrestlers consume.

    3. Re:I'd rather... by jimbobborg · · Score: 1

      I don't watch it much either, except for Eureka, SG Atlantis, and The Dresden Files. The problem with SciFi is that they don't have a budget for these types of shows. Dresden at least keeps the special effects down to a minimum. I hope they bring it back.

    4. Re:I'd rather... by Hangin10 · · Score: 1

      Or how they can be bloodied up in one match, and yet can come back later in one show perfectly fine and never have any scars in later matches!

      They must pick some actual SciFi show to spend their medical insurance on...

    5. Re:I'd rather... by haplo21112 · · Score: 1

      Ah that was the word I was searching for in my Post "existentialism"

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    6. Re:I'd rather... by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      Interesting...I can't stand SG-1. Banal and predictable, formulaic tripe. The few sci-fi shows I truly enjoy are Doctor Who (of course), Blake's 7 (fondly remembered series from my childhood in New Zealand, and now I have started watching the DVDs I find the tense forward-looking storylines are just as exciting to watch), and Farscape.

      For me, especially the latter two series had well-thought out plots, which went through the series and kept you hanging on. None of this oh-so-predictable nonsense that passes for shows today. A list of the absolute worst collection of series on television in the last decade, I think, would have to include the Law and Order franchise. When the actors are obviously speaking their lines by rote with no inflection or emotion whatsoever -- just following the same, tired, worn formula -- you know the show desperately needs to be cancelled.

    7. Re:I'd rather... by Hangin10 · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, what would you define as SG-1's formula?

    8. Re:I'd rather... by cerelib · · Score: 1, Troll

      I love SG-1, but you have to admit that they had excercised all possible story outlets and even made some not so great ones up. While the Ori story arc was interesting, it was really just a rehash of the Go'uld (sp?) story arc. Atlantis is in danger of falling into the same trap and just reimplementing SG-1. The end of the last Atlantis season indicated a possibility of a new direction. So I am hopeful for the future of the Stargate universe.

    9. Re:I'd rather... by Hangin10 · · Score: 1

      I never thought they did a particularly good job of dealing with the fallout of the downfall of the Goa'uld. I had this whole expectation of off-world prison camps for zealot Jaffa, and on going massive battles with the Goa'uld merely just using human cannon fodder. And possibly tying the origin of the Egyptian mythology and specifically the creation myth of the BNBN (sp?) stone being like a crashed vaguely upside down Ancient ship piloted by Atum or something. Anyhow, they moved on to the (yeah, similar) Ori story arc rather quickly.

      I'd rather see all the possible story outlets than not have it be taken anywhere. Is it just me or has Jack gone from humorously cynical to a bit of an ass?

    10. Re:I'd rather... by ReptilianSamurai · · Score: 1

      Nothing against SG-1, but it had the best run of any scifi show in America. Ten seasons, a spin-off, and more possibly on the way.

      Farscape got a mere 4 seasons, cancelled while they were wrapping up the end of the 4th season, and were promised a 5th - so many threads were left dangling. Thankfully the fans got a miniseries to wrap it up, but it's so heavily compressed another season would have been so much better.

      Farscape had a sense of humor that I loved, but it was not silly. It was actually quite dark, it really pushed the envelope in terms of what science fiction shows can do. A few plots were cheesy, sure, but every good show has a few clunkers.

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    11. Re:I'd rather... by ReptilianSamurai · · Score: 1

      Muppets - or rather, sophisticated animatronics - look far more alien than bumpy-headed prosthetic-covered actors. They were always portrayed very realistically too, the skill of the puppetry is really astounding!

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    12. Re:I'd rather... by aled · · Score: 1

      Farscape was always far too silly for me


      YMMV but it was very good to me. Themes from maddnes, adult relationships and very bad words in alien language (Frell!) made it like no other.
      Galactica was very silly. I couldn't take more than a couple of episodes.
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    13. Re:I'd rather... by slapout · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have First Wave. But I guess I should be glad they at least gave it an ending and didn't leave it hanging.

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    14. Re:I'd rather... by neglige · · Score: 1

      Farscape wasn't silly, it just had a quirky humor. One episode featured Rygel in black latex as a dominatrix. I almost choked from laughing, but I'm sure not everyone found it THAT funny :) And if you're not into pop culture references, then you miss/don't like 50% of Crichton's dialogue...

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    15. Re:I'd rather... by LMacG · · Score: 1

      You can have a little bit of Dead Like Me.

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    16. Re:I'd rather... by kihjin · · Score: 1

      Dead Like Me is great. Definitely could have gone on longer than two seasons!

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    17. Re:I'd rather... by sakasune · · Score: 1

      Holy shit...you just made my day

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  8. Thoughts by alexj33 · · Score: 0

    It will be most sensational, inspirational, celebrational and multiplicational.

  9. hmm. by apodyopsis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do I have this ghastly, ghastly feeling that this will do for Farscape, what "Crusade" and "Legend of the Rangers" did for Babylon5.

    I feel a grave disturbance in the.......

    *sigh*.

    Am I alone in saying bring back Firefly, bring back Farscape - but do it with the same creative team and format or just let them well alone.

    1. Re:hmm. by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      Am I alone in saying bring back Firefly, bring back Farscape - but do it with the same creative team and format or just let them well alone.

      I agree. I'd also like to see Drive come back as well. I'm getting real tired of seeing excellent, original programming get canceled and replaced with either a game show, reality show or hospital drama! I would have already canceled my cable TV if my wife hadn't blocked me!

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    2. Re:hmm. by john83 · · Score: 1

      You forgot 'forensics'-heavy cop shows.

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    3. Re:hmm. by Drachemorder · · Score: 1

      Oh. I guess that explains why I liked it.

    4. Re:hmm. by nine-times · · Score: 1

      ...get canceled and replaced with either a game show, reality show or hospital drama!

      You know, I can almost deal with one of those... except that Farscape was replaced by "Tremors: the series". I mean, really, WTF?

    5. Re:hmm. by slapout · · Score: 1

      The movie was a box-office disaster?

      I thought it broke even.

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    6. Re:hmm. by slapout · · Score: 1

      You left out "what Episodes I-III did for Star Wars."

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    7. Re:hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Box office receipts were about equal to the 50mln (slighly less) that it cost to make. In general, about half of BO receipts end up being used to pay the budget. So the movie ended up about $25M in the red.

    8. Re:hmm. by aled · · Score: 1

      You forgot 'forensics'-heavy cop shows.


      You know, there is not an CSI Irak... yet.

      How many times you can repeat the same show with different names?
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    9. Re:hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. I tried to give Drive a chance since the Captain was in it and all, but when in the first few episodes, they're parked on the side of the highway "in Florida", and there's a HUGE F'NG MOUNTAIN RANGE IN THE BACKGROUND (hint: there ARE no mountains in Florida), I couldn't get over the suspension of disbelief.

      I can accept some plot holes here and there, and even some geographic mistakes, but not geological-scale mistakes, people. Point the camera slightly to the left already.

    10. Re:hmm. by lawn.ninja · · Score: 1

      I agree with you on this one. I've spent the last 3-4 years of my TV viewing experience boffed up because of the budgets it takes to produce some american idol piece of trash, and the amount of redneck hilbillies that have cable. All the good shows go away. Then you get stuff like the Soprano's that should of been killed 4 years ago. Some of the best shows around have been lost to crap. Deadwood (one of the best shows on TV, ever) Thief (absolutely awesome, but it only lasted 6 episodes) Firefly (I can't believe they killed off the characters they did in Serenity) There is hope though. A few really good shows have made it by the idiot conglomerate and there is some new ones coming. John from Cincinatti (great show especially if you are at all interested in existentialism) Weeds Dexter and I forget the name of it but SciFi has a good one coming out to replace SG-1 (Which stopped being good about 2 seasons before O'Neill (macguyver) left)

  10. Webisodes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, please, just don't.

    It doesn't matter how you broadcast it, an episode is an episode.

    Sometimes there are good reasons for making some words more specific...this is not one of those times. Abusing our language like that is an atrocity.

    May God treat your soul without the lightest hint of mercy.

  11. Industry Standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, in the industry we don't call it Sci-fi, we call it Scientifical Fiction.
    --Garth Marenghi

  12. Forget it by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    You don't t-off the viewership by killing off the main characters unceremoniously just to get back at the network, and then come back wanting to have it the other way.

    I'll be skipping any future Farscape material. If I need a dose of Sci-Fi I've got The Lost Tales to look forward to.

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    1. Re:Forget it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh, you know they didn't kill John and Aeryn. See Peacekeeper War.

    2. Re:Forget it by Keeper · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only that, but the SciFi channel killed the series and told everyone to go home AFTER the season finale was in the can. In other words, it was just supposed to be a typical season finale cliffhanger...

  13. Going Homer by sexybomber · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they're actually going to film the series in Ithaca. I went to college there and always thought it'd be a cool location for a movie/TV show/etc. (During the summer, at least. In the winter, it's a post-apocalyptic nuclear-winter hellscape.)

    Plus, having the recording crew in town would give the city some impetus to get its act together and finish up the construction projects that have closed 3/4 of the streets, so the local populace would love it.

    Plus, there'd be tons of film students at Ithaca College who would jump at the chance to work on the show, so there'd be no shortage of crew members, extras, and so forth.

    I, for one, look forward to watching it when it comes out.

    1. Re:Going Homer by nawtykitty · · Score: 1

      Plus they can eat at the Short Stop. Yummy!

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    2. Re:Going Homer by sexybomber · · Score: 1

      (in Homer voice) Mmmmmmm, Short Stop..... *drools*

    3. Re:Going Homer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find this idea amusing because I moved from LA to Ithaca.

  14. Re:the LEXX! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    LEXX was 3x the show Farscape was in its total creativity and vision - and on a slice of the budget and NO DAMN MUPPETS!

    Yeah, but it had that Dr. Who-wannabe Canadian feel to it. ;) Oh, that and the undead nihilist super-soldier quasi-protagonist.

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  15. Re:the LEXX! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LEXX had boobies, so 'nuff said.. :)

  16. talking about star trek too by peter303 · · Score: 1

    I've heard sanctioned web star trek web-only episodes too from two of the former actors at scifi conventions. (There lots of unsanctioned stuff on the web now).

  17. Re:the LEXX! by nine-times · · Score: 3, Informative

    LEXX was pretty bullshit and juvenile. It's like it was made for retarded 13 year-olds. Constant adolescent sex jokes, space ships shaped like genitalia, etc. It shouldn't be considered to be part of the same genre at Farscape, Dr. Who, or BSG.

  18. Re:the LEXX! by Zonekeeper · · Score: 0

    BINGO. Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. It had some cool aspects, and who doesn't love some good T and A, but I don't watch sci-fi for that. Well...not mainly anyway. T and A like when Rodney was sinking in the jumper and Carter showed up sans blouse. Thats what I like. Not the crap that LEXX was.

  19. My issue... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    My issue with the series is the price and format of the seasons on DVD. It is more expensive than Star Trek, which is saying something, and also grouped in a strange format (half seasons). I really want to support the series by buying the DVDs, but not at the prices I see in my local DVD store. For me SG1 is an example of a TV series using an easy to understand format and approachable pricing.

    See here for Amazon.ca pricing:

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-2424159-3 290317?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Daps&fiel d-keywords=farscape&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

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  20. Re:the LEXX! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no surprise a moron like you missed the use of Nietszche's "Eternal Recurrance" and other extremely high brow concepts in LEXX... dumbass.

  21. I'd be more excited... by glwtta · · Score: 1

    If the Farscape movie didn't suck so hard. Let's face it, Farscape was one of the best sci-fi series ever made, but it ran its course - it's done.

    Also, "Homer Ulysses"? Whaa?

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    1. Re:I'd be more excited... by goarilla · · Score: 1

      farscape movie ? are you talking about the peacekeeper miniseries
      and seriously i loved those, if you wanna complain about bad quality in the farscape universe
      then talk about the game not the miniseries

      i'm absolutely delighted about this news, i just hope they don't fuck it up
      since at the moment farscape is my favorite sci-fi with firefly, stargate sg1, space above and beyond, b5 and st: next generation following next.

  22. Can I get a HELL YEAH! by Lordleppard · · Score: 1
    This is great news. With SG-1 and BSG going off the air, I'm glad they decided to test the waters again with a great show. With luck and the fans, Farscape can make a come back!

    HELL YEAH!

    1. Re:Can I get a HELL YEAH! by cytg.net · · Score: 1

      yessir .. bring back farscape .. 100% top dollar scifi

    2. Re:Can I get a HELL YEAH! by jkiol · · Score: 1

      Farscape has been my favorite show of all time until well Lost. In a lot of ways the 2 shows are similar. I've gotten a few people hooked on farscape after it was canceled with the Dvd box sets. But I can definitely say if you don't watch it from the absolute beginning to the end in order, it will be too "far out", but if you do, even non sci-fi people will like it. I really like the lack of technobable, and the lack of explanations unless really needed for the episode, and even then its usually glazed over. Technobable IMO is replacement for a decent script. And I think thats what turns a lot of people off to scifi, they really don't care how a warp drive works nor do they want to listen to characters explain it.

    3. Re:Can I get a HELL YEAH! by El_Oscuro · · Score: 1

      My favorite was The Outer Limits

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  23. Re:the LEXX! by neglige · · Score: 1

    Chiana. 'Nuff said.

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  24. Re:the LEXX! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's like it was made for retarded 13 year-olds.

    Wow. You nailed it precisely. Thread over. :)

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  25. Re:the LEXX! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Chiana. 'Nuff said.

    Half of the content on the Internet. 'Nuff said.

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  26. Unavailable again. by dpaton.net · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, the Starburst edition DVDs are now out of print as well. If you run across a 1.2 Starburst set, let me know, my wife wants it BAD. Existing stock is all that's left for most of the DVDs.

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    1. Re:Unavailable again. by ReptilianSamurai · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't believe you until I checked Amazon! These just recently came out, too!

      Well, I had heard that they were going to reissue the first two seasons Starbursts with more discs (instead of the double sided ones. I had to return one set three times before I got a working one!) They weren't going to until they ran out of their existing stock, so maybe they'll start a new printing soon. One can hope.

      Otherwise... wow... I don't know what to say. I'm glad I picked mine up! Strange if it really is out of print.

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    2. Re:Unavailable again. by ReptilianSamurai · · Score: 1

      More info on the repressing of the older Starburst editions at TV Shows on DVD.

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  27. Re:the LEXX! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no surprise a nitwit like you missed the use of Nietzsche's "eternal recurrence" and other extremely high brow concepts in LEXX... dumbass.

    The sci-fi television series Lexx makes frequent references to this concept, and it is a relatively important plot point throughout most of the early and mid-series, including the concept of "cycles of time", and the line, "time begins, and then time ends, and then time begins once again."

  28. The Lightning Thief by Fishstick · · Score: 1

    Greek and Roman deities walk among us, but only 12 year old Homer Ulysses Jones can see

    first thing I thought of ... The Lightning Thief

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    1. Re:The Lightning Thief by Jugglepunk · · Score: 1

      First thing that struck me was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Gods/

  29. yay! by scapermoya · · Score: 1

    i think i just peed my pants

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  30. Re:the LEXX! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nietzsche was a whiny mamma's boy and I grew out of his adolescent willful wish fulfillment crap when I graduated high school. Lexx was brain dead trash. Extremely high brow concepts?

    Its got like the real important stuff and junk int it! The Lexx Rulz!

    Moron.

  31. Re:the LEXX! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignorance of philosophy is paramount evidence of who is the idiot in this case.

    you = FAIL.

  32. Re:the LEXX! by LionMage · · Score: 1

    no surprise a moron like you missed the use of Nietszche's "Eternal Recurrance" and other extremely high brow concepts in LEXX... dumbass.
    (Emphasis added by me.)
    Look, if you're going to berate someone for being an idiot, at least try to make yourself look a little more intelligent by spelling "recurrence" correctly, and using some basic capitalization and punctuation. Bonus points if you can tell the difference between stupidity and ignorance, since the issue you're taking task with could just as easily be ascribed to ignorance as to stupidity. (Since you don't know which is the case, it's kind of rude to assume the worst case about someone you've probably never met and know nothing about.)

    Oh, also, Nietzsche (note the spelling) didn't invent the concept of Eternal Recurrence. It's a pretty old concept.
  33. Re:the LEXX! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LEXX was just cheesy and terrible even the Star Trek original series was a hell of a lot more convincing.

    Farscape was put together quite intelligently though the problem was it used really poor special effects. They tried to make it out too be the next best thing after sliced bread with those makings of Farscape and the interviews of the cast and crew but to be totally honest they didn't convince me one iota that Rygel looked nothing more then a sock puppet with eyebrows.

  34. Re:the LEXX! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nietzsche sucks! His ideas are simplistic by today's standards, and lack mathematical rigor

    You = Worshipper of sucks

    Redeem yourself --- read some Wittgenstein.

  35. meh. Farscape was decent for a bit, but... by neminem · · Score: 1

    That's nice... now give me back my Firefly already, please.

    No, seriously. I've watched all of Farscape, including the crappy movie. About 3/4ths of the first season, half of the second season, and a third of the third season were worth watching, by my rather rough estimate. The series had promise, I'll grant that, and it even lived up to it... for a bit. But I would assume any new Farscape, which would presumably take place starting where the series previously ended, would suck just as much as the last couple seasons + tv movie did, which is to say, rather a lot. It was like Bab5 in reverse - Bab5 started out horrifically cheesy and dumb, and gradually got more complex and believable and awesome. FS, on the other hand, started out pretty believable and awesome, and got more and more cheesy and stupid. By the end, it was pretty painful, and I had to force myself to keep watching out of a stubborn desire to know how it ended.

  36. Re:the LEXX! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mathematics is totally irrelevant to Nietzsche, and almost totally irrelevant to philosophy in general. You haven't read any of it, little poseur boy.