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Senate Majority Leader Takes On File Sharing

An anonymous reader writes "Colleges are up in arms — and the entertainment industry is ecstatic — over Sen. Harry Reid's plan to crack down on file sharing by students. Floor votes could be imminent." A commenter on the post said, "Unfortunately we are likely to see neither sense nor principle from the Democrats on this issue, as Hollywood is their biggest cash machine."

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  1. No way to combat filesharing by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let's be honest here, P2P will continue. Legally or illegally. The only difference is that if it becomes "illegal", only illegal content will be distributed via P2P and distributors of Linux and other legal distribution of software and content suffers. Currently, a lot of distributions benefit from being able to use their users' connection for distribution, taking pressure from their own lines. If P2P is "outlawed" (or not outright outlawed, but disallowed by universities and ISPs), people wanting to share illegal content will find a way around this filtering (because, well, whatever the ISP could do against you is peanuts against being sued by the mafiaa), while people who now spread Linux distributions will not risk breaking the law just to keep spreading their legally spreadable software.

    What do you want to do to avoid it? Log the IP addresses of people using it? People will start onion routing their packets, using also existing onion routers so you can't tell that an IP you got is actually a culprit. Also people will start using "private" trackers and networks more than they already do. To avoid packet identification through mandatory logging at ISPs, packets will get wrapped in other headers (HTTP offers itself due to being the perfect "noise" to duck into).

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    1. Re:No way to combat filesharing by Justin205 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And of course, encryption. Encrypt a packet and all you're getting is where it's from, and where it's going to. Make this look like SSL-crypted HTTP (i.e. using the standard ports, etc.), for example, and it's going to be pretty indistinguishable...

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    2. Re:No way to combat filesharing by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention that many are now getting their "illegal" content fix from YouTube and its various clones which have their own private channels.

    3. Re:No way to combat filesharing by kamapuaa · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Let's be honest here, P2P will continue. Legally or illegally. The only difference is that if it becomes "illegal", only illegal content will be distributed via P2P and distributors

      The report talks about colleges enforcing illegal downloading, not P2P technology. It's funny that even a defender would confuse the two.

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    4. Re:No way to combat filesharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's be honest here, P2P will continue. Legally or illegally. The only difference is that if it becomes "illegal", only illegal content will be distributed via P2P and distributors of Linux and other legal distribution of software and content suffers. Currently, a lot of distributions benefit from being able to use their users' connection for distribution, taking pressure from their own lines. If P2P is "outlawed" (or not outright outlawed, but disallowed by universities and ISPs), people wanting to share illegal content will find a way around this filtering (because, well, whatever the ISP could do against you is peanuts against being sued by the mafiaa), while people who now spread Linux distributions will not risk breaking the law just to keep spreading their legally spreadable software.

      What do you want to do to avoid it? Log the IP addresses of people using it? People will start onion routing their packets, using also existing onion routers so you can't tell that an IP you got is actually a culprit. Also people will start using "private" trackers and networks more than they already do. To avoid packet identification through mandatory logging at ISPs, packets will get wrapped in other headers (HTTP offers itself due to being the perfect "noise" to duck into). Hmm... According to TFA this plan proposes that colleges be required to:
      • Report annually to the U.S. Education Department on policies related to illegal downloading.
      • Review their procedures to be sure that they are effective.
      • "Provide evidence" to the Education Department that they have "developed a plan for implementing a technology-based deterrent to prevent the illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property."

      The article does not say that P2P networks will become illegal which would be strange since there is nothing so fundamentally wrong with P2P computer networks that they have to be banned any more than there is a reason to ban hammers because they are occasionally used to murder people. Using P2P networks to distribute pirated multimedia content and pirated software is however illegal. Unfortunately, at the moment, the only really effective way to stop illegal sharing of pirated software and multimedia content over P2P networks is for educational institutions, government institutions, businesses and even ISPs to disable P2P completely. From my point of view this is unfortunate since I don't pirate software or media content, I cover most of my software needs with FOSS and purchase any additional software and what little multimedia content I use. The fact that people use things like Bittorent to distribute pirated material is unfortunate since it has made it impossible for me to download Linux distributions and other FOSS software that is distributed via Bittorrent when I am at work which has impacted my productivity as a worker. Until recently Linux distributions like Centos, for example, relied heavily on Bittorent for distributing their DVD ISO images and it's only recently that these became fairly widely available via FTP/HTTP. Distributing pirated material off P2P networks isn't a fundamental human right, it's not legal, it's something people are able to do because they can get away with and now draconian measures are being taken to kill off the distribution of pirated material over P2P networks to the huge inconvenience of those of us who use P2P for legitimate purposes. Another reason why this amendment is crap, apart from it's detrimental impact on the legitimate use of P2P, is because it singles out colleges when there are communities and institutions who are much worse than college students when it comes to distributing pirated content and software via P2P so to that extent I agree with you.

      Just my €0.02.
    5. Re:No way to combat filesharing by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is, what is an "illegal download"? How do you distinguish it, technically, from a legit one?

      Simply: You can't. So what colleges will do (and already do) is to simply disallow any kind of P2P traffic altogether.

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    6. Re:No way to combat filesharing by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok, let me rephrase that. I will not become illegal to use P2P, but the only way for colleges to stop the illegal transfer of data through P2P is to disallow them, essentially resulting in the same.

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    7. Re:No way to combat filesharing by t_ban · · Score: 5, Funny

      The report talks about colleges enforcing illegal downloading

      Really? That's where I'm sending my kids, then :-)

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    8. Re:No way to combat filesharing by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then they'll turn off connections for "excessive" bandwidth usage, or for using a high number of SSL connections to IPs listed as residential in a DNSbl. Encryption is not a panacea.

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    9. Re:No way to combat filesharing by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "safe harbor" with the Department of Education, should this actually make it through and become part of the reauthorization of the Higher Education Act, will be to install an IPS that blocks all P2P. IT administrators are lazy and protective of their sinecures--they don't care if there are legal files to be had via P2P when it's easier to block it all, or to at least be able to say they've made the effort.

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    10. Re:No way to combat filesharing by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...then route said packet through an onion router network and even the whereabouts are lost. Yes, you'll know that you forward a packet to another host, whether that host is the destination or just another router is something you won't know.

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    11. Re:No way to combat filesharing by AndersOSU · · Score: 3, Insightful
      And here is the question we really should be debating:

      it's not legal, it's something people are able to do because they can get away with and now draconian measures are being taken to kill off the distribution of pirated material over P2P
      What is an acceptable method for the RIAA to enforce their copyrights? Back in the days of Napster the battle cry was sue the users (if you can find them) but don't go after a mere facilitator. Well now they're doing just that, they're not necessarily doing it right, what are the other, better options? Then if you do get caught with your hand in the cookie jar what is an acceptable punishment?

      It seems to me these are the practical questions that get lost in all the rhetoric.
    12. Re:No way to combat filesharing by Yfrwlf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about nothing? Quit trying to make information sharing illegal, and stop being babies and admit that the current business models of Hollywood, the gaming, and the music industries are obsolete now, like newspapers, and either die out, or find a business model that's compatible with the internet? :)

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    13. Re:No way to combat filesharing by CommunistHamster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Haven't you heard of the evil bit?

    14. Re:No way to combat filesharing by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yet somehow PC games have managed to survive all of the doom and gloom. It's been 20 years already with rampant piracy the whole way and they're still around.

      That just goes to show that if you put out a good product and don't abuse your customers too much, people will still pay for your stuff even if it is readily available for free.

      That is the "business model shift" that both the RIAA and the MPAA need to make. They need to stop acting like they are entitled to success. They have to act like they are willing to work for it. This goes equally for AMC that thinks it can get away with showing commercials for some lame ass sitcom before Harry Potter 5.

      The RIAA simply needs to stop being an ass. Admittedly, this may be impossible for them to do. They've been doing it for so long.

      As I like to say: When it comes to ripping off artists, consumers really are amateurs compared to the labels.

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    15. Re:No way to combat filesharing by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure that Onion routing scales to produce the performance that is necessary in order to have a usable P2P system for large files.

      People abusing the existing Tor system for Bittorrent is a bad enough problem, and I think it's indicative of where efforts like that are going to end up: the people who create Onion routing nodes aren't doing it so that script kiddies can download Warez or pirate movies, and the script kiddies who want to download Warez or movies aren't going to set up onion-routing nodes, because it just increases the chance that they'll be targeted by the RIAA/MPAA/BSA/FBI and have their computer seized. (Granted, they'll be targeted for something that somebody else is doing, but that's not going to be of much help when they're going over their hard drive with a fine-tooth comb.)

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    16. Re:No way to combat filesharing by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      In this case, yes. The movie file is provides by the Azureus service Vuze. From what I understand, they have permission to provide HD trailers to Vuze users. Their business model, in fact, is based around the core idea that HD content is too expensive to host through a standard HTTP download model. To combat that cost they provide a Bittorrent service that allows content producers to upload their HD content to Vuze for ultra-fast seeding on Vuze's servers combined with the extra bandwidth of P2P users.

      While it is still a long way from becoming the "Youtube in HD" that they originally pitched it as, it does still have its uses. HD Trailers are one example. Another is the HD version of various short films which have been freely distributed. (Though that "Elephant's Dream" sci-fi/fantasy movie makes absolutely no sense. It was amazingly good CG, but perhaps next time they could include a story?) ;-)

    17. Re:No way to combat filesharing by RexRhino · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What you innocuously refer to as "information sharing" ignores the threat that file sharing represents to these industries: why would people pay for music/movies/games/software if they can easily and without risk get them for free? OK, here is one:

      Because it is cheaper (time is money), quicker, easier to pay for it? It is a pain in the ass to look for movies, music, and games pirated online. It can take days to download an obscure movie using bitorrent, and even worse via p2p. Also, there is always a danger if you aren't downloading from a trusted source. Perhaps teenagers have more time than money, but for adults, if the media is priced competitively and it isn't crippled with DRM, it is just easier and simpler to pay.

      The big problem is that media companies want to charge the same amount for a digital download as a CD or DVD, and they want to cripple it with DRM. They don't understand that the new media model will be on selling lots of diverse media for very very cheap, instead of selling a few over-hyped pieces of media for high prices.
    18. Re:No way to combat filesharing by RexRhino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I especially think there's no market anymore for smaller, more abstract games. Don't tell that to Popcap!!! They make lots of money on smaller, more abstract games... and many they give away for free and they still sell! And don't tell it to Microsoft, as the only profitable part of their console buisness is Xbox Live Arcade (a download service for smaller, more abstract games).
  2. Yeah, so I suppose ... by pallmall1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... that this is somehow going to end up being blamed on George Bush.

    You want some copyrighted lyrics? How about this, from The Who:

    "meet the new boss
    same as the old boss"
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    1. Re:Yeah, so I suppose ... by Swampash · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Here is a story.

      It's the story of a place called Mouseland. Mouseland was a place where all the little mice lived and played, were born and died. And they lived much the same as you and I do.

      They even had a Congress. And every four years they had an election. Used to walk to the polls and cast their ballots. Some of them even got a ride to the polls. And got a ride for the next four years afterwards too. Just like you and me. And every time on election day all the little mice used to go to the ballot box and they used to elect a government. A government made up of big, fat, black cats.

      Now I'm not saying anything against the cats. They were nice fellows. They conducted their government with dignity. They passed good laws--that is, laws that were good for cats. But the laws that were good for cats weren't very good for mice. One of the laws said that mouseholes had to be big enough so a cat could get his paw in. Another law said that mice could only travel at certain speeds--so that a cat could get his breakfast without too much effort.

      All the laws were good laws. For cats. But, oh, they were hard on the mice. And life was getting harder and harder. And when the mice couldn't put up with it any more, they decided something had to be done about it. So they went en masse to the polls. They voted the black cats out. They put in the white cats.

      Now the white cats had put up a terrific campaign. They said: "All that Mouseland needs is more vision." They said:"The trouble with Mouseland is those round mouseholes we got. If you put us in we'll establish square mouseholes." And they did. And the square mouseholes were twice as big as the round mouseholes, and now the cat could get both his paws in. And life was tougher than ever.

      And when they couldn't take that anymore, they voted the white cats out and put the black ones in again. Then they went back to the white cats. Then to the black cats. They even tried half black cats and half white cats. And they called that coalition. They even got one government made up of cats with spots on them: they were cats that tried to make a noise like a mouse but ate like a cat.

      You see, my friends, the trouble wasn't with the colour of the cat. The trouble was that they were cats. And because they were cats, they naturally looked after cats instead of mice.
      With apologies to Clare Gillis.

      When the Democrats swept into power in Congress I listened to all the liberal commentators talking about how it was Good News and how Things Would Be Different Now and how the Bad Guys were out and the Good Guys were in. And I shook my head and thought of Mouseland.
  3. Corporate political sponsorship by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So now it's come to this--the Hollywood Perpetual Copyright Party vs. the Petroleum Industry Party. Except the Petroleum Industry Party also wants perpetual copyrights for Hollywood, both parties want to prop up the farm industry, and for all we know, the Hollywood Perpetual Copyright Party will end up helping out the oil industry as an added bonus (or a bone-us to the common people).

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  4. *gasp* democrats can be evil? by OKCfunky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not shocked in the least. This is merely another showing of the American political arrangement favors not the citizen, but the biggest donor.

    Raise your hand if you thought your congressman would listen to you.

    Who would you listen to: a very small donor at best, or the group who bankrolled your campaign(especially the "care about the people" PR)?

    Why is this shocking news? Hell as a former die hard repub, I've lost pretty much all faith in the nation and it's future

    1. Re:*gasp* democrats can be evil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, to quote Michael Moore, of all people ...

      "In the last presidential election (2004), the richest 2% of Americans had TWO political parties representing their interests, while the other 98% had NO political parties representing their interests. And that 98% included all of the folks running around waving flags and saying 'I'm free, I'm free, I live in a democracy'"

      You know we're in serious trouble wheh Michael Moore sounds (at least on this one occasion) like a beacon of reason ...

    2. Re:*gasp* democrats can be evil? by Dhalka226 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Raise your hand if you thought your congressman would listen to you.

      I didn't, but largely because they're not supposed to. At least not if "listen to you" means "vote the way of the majority opinion of his constituents." We are not a democracy. We do not vote on issues. We elect people who vote on issues for us. If we want those votes to be bound to the majority will, let's just scrap the system and do a straight vote of all Americans. Or hell, I suppose a telephone survey of 1,200 random respondents would suffice so long as the results were more than 4 percentage points or so apart.

      Like I said, we vote for people who vote on issues. The key part of that is: we vote for people. If we are displeased with how we are being represented, it is our duty to VOTE, first and foremost, and to vote in people we think will do a better job. If we fail to do so, I'm not going to blame the politicians. The reason they take big money from lobbyists and vote against your wishes is because they can. They can because they aren't being held responsible by those constituents.

      I've heard the "the system is rigged in favor of the two major parties!" excuses. There's a fair bit of validity about that, but I don't think it is the problem at all. The major problem is that not enough of us vote. But the secondary problem is that we don't make changes. I believe that nationally, the rate of retention for Congressmen (ie, those who are re-elected) is around 90%. Even in our "big vote for change" election of 2006, 30 seats changed hands in the House and 6 in the Senate. 36 seats changed out of 468 up for election, for a rate of change of 7.7%. That puts the retention rate nearly 92%* in an election trumpeted as calling for change.

      One would assume that if we were really as disgusted as we say we are with our politicians, that we would see much greater rates of turnover--even if they just flip back and forth between the two major parties due to the "rigged system."

      Yes, the system plays a part; yes, voter apathy plays a part (though blame yourself for that, not the politicians); yes, other things play a part--but the bottom line is we're not nearly as disgusted as we should be, or as we say we are. How seriously are they supposed to take our supposed disgust when we give them a 26% approval / 61% disapproval rating but retain the incumbent 90% of the time?**

      Congressmen want to keep their seats. Right now the best way for them to do so is to screw you a moderate amount, take a lot of money from corporations to buy air time and leaflet mailings and such, and get re-elected with around 9-to-1 odds. Really the only danger is if they accidentally screw you just a bit more than you're prepared to accept. You want that to change? Hold them accountable. Once they see that all the corporate donations in the world won't save their jobs if they don't represent their constituents, they'll come around. Of that I have no doubt.


      * It's not quite this, necessarily, because some seats had incumbents not running again and sometimes there was a challenge within the part, but I'm too lazy to look up all this information and this figure is near enough for the sake of argument.

      ** It actually reminds me of a West Wing quote (the polling data may be made up or may be real, I'm not sure, but the point is still valid): "68% [of Americans] think we give too much in foreign aid, and 59% think it should be cut." A scene unfolds as follows:

      Will: You like that stat.

      Josh: I do.

      Will: Why?

      Josh: Because 9% think it's too high and shouldn't be cut. 9% of respondents could not fully get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for "I have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."

  5. That is consequence of the one party system by vivaoporto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    His relationship with powerful lobbyists makes him (or any other Democrat congressman) no better than the ones in the other side. They are all puppets, hold in the hands of the same puppeteer. Naive are the ones that thing that party allegiance is guarantee of anything at all.

    The politic system is rotten, third party can't win (even if they had more support, there are so many hurdles for an independent candidate to overcome), majors parties are in fact one, people are cattle and vote based on frivolous fads and superstitions instead of on important issues and past actions.

    The "manifest destiny" ended up being a self defeating prophecy, U.S. people got so used to the idea that U.S. fate is to lead the world that forgot to care about their own house and get a decent leadership for themselves.

  6. Sad... But Not Suprising by Shifty+Jim · · Score: 3, Informative
    I think a lot of us have seen something like this coming for a while. In fact the point in Reid's proposal that requires colleges to report their policies for policing and dealing with illegal file-sharing were already in the reauthorization bill before this. Congress is simply going after the easiest target in the conflict. There is plenty of illegal file sharing that goes on outside of colleges and universities, but if you target colleges and universities you get to blanket a number of people through a state-supported middleman without having to go after big telcom companies.

    But I think the biggest points in the bill are the following. From the Article:

    "Provide evidence" to the Education Department that they have "developed a plan for implementing a technology-based deterrent to prevent the illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property."
    How can any viable and self-respecting college network do anything like this without crippling their network and expending an obscene amount of money and man-hours. Congress constantly proves themselves to be less that tech-savvy, and this extremely tall order is just more proof. And, more importantly, the last thing I need is another tuition increase to pay for it. :P

    And secondly:

    The measure would also require the education secretary to annually identify the 25 colleges and universities that have in the previous year received the most notices of copyright violations using institutional technology networks.
    I think the /. has had enough articles knocking and attacking and explaining the DMCA and how easy it is to use them without any basis whatsoever. The threat of a public scolding is only going to make already jumpy school administrators more likely to cave to pressure and/or institute stiffer punishments.

    But, I don't really think it matters all that much, something like this is going to go into law eventually, I'm afraid.
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  7. ya rly! by Curien · · Score: 2, Informative
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  8. A slightly premature story? by More_Cowbell · · Score: 2, Informative
    Yes I RTFA, It is (from what I can tell) a possible amendment the Senator is "expected to try to attach" and "While those provisions are in the amendment Senator Reid unveiled last week, they could easily change today or tomorrow, and lobbyists following the situation described it as fluid."

    Sorry, not biting. Given the number of bills and amendments that do not pass, I think this narrowly escapes being described as FUD.

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  9. Not that anyone asked, but... by Arceliar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Unfortunately we are likely to see neither sense nor principle from the Democrats on this issue, as Hollywood is their biggest cash machine."


    Call me cynical, but if a politician shows sense, they won't get enough of the conservative vote to ever get elected. And if they show principle, well, they're probably so lacking in even common sense to ever get liberal vote. So why should we expect either in any measurable form?

    That trolling asside, from TFA:

    Bainwol noted that many campus networks are created with taxpayer funds and are intended for "academic and research purposes," but end up, he said, giving students "a means to steal."


    Roads also facilitate theft. Roads also have police to patrol and set up roadblocks if necessary, that sort of thing. But funds are appropriated for such services. If one is to mandate that measures be taken to prevent intellectual property theft, one should provide a plan for funding of such an endeavor. It's not a universities fault that students steal any more than it is a construction worker's fault of someone later uses a road to facilitate a crime because the road happens to go past a bank.

    At least, that's the way I see it.
  10. Unsure by Stevecrox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm from the UK the place with a far less insane record industry but I'm not certain how Universitys think this is unfair. I've just finished a 3 year course at University of Plymouth in order to connect to the network you had to go through a VPN which only allowed HTTP and FTP access. We had a extremely fast network I remember downloading Ubunutu at 1MB/s as well as Myst Online at 1.3MB/s. I could check my email, manage a domain I own and could view every website on the internet without issue including sites like http://www.stage6.com/ , http://www.youtube.com/ and at various times I saw other students looking at xxx sites. I did get HL2: Deathmatch and Myst Online working (intially the later required a blocked port) but bittyrant or limewire didn't work.

    I can understand that bittyrant does help spread the load of linux distributions but I don't understand why other university's and colleges can't implement this as well. How does it hurt people? I don't know why people are fighting so hard. The university's policy did not stop me from learning nor did it stop me from playing (if I had lived in halls) it just stopped activities which either used high amounts of bandwidth or could land the univeristy in legal trouble.

    Then again with iPods, portable usb drives and the messenger share folders most students could share music/video if they wanted to and I did see people moving to these methods in my final year.

    1. Re:Unsure by Corwn+of+Amber · · Score: 2

      Please don't bother trying to point out the difference between a physical product and a copy, it just means you don't understand economics. Okay, you are a moron. If it can be copied at zero cost, then the marginal production cost of that copy is $0. Especially since any movie that does not recoup its costs in the first weekend in theaters is called a commercial failure - thus the thousands of people have BEEN ALREADY PAID for the work they've done. So, zero-cost copies hurt their sales? Fuck them. They're getting paid. I pay for movie tickets, I download what I want to keep.
      (And sometimes I buy a DVD on impulse, but it's pretty much guaranteed to be music and region-free.)

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  11. FUD, yes, but useful FUD by misanthrope101 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    By continually bemoaning that the Dems are "just as bad" as the Republicans, we can muddy the waters enough that some people may, just may, forget what party gutted habeus corpus, thinks torture is OK, continues to block votes on Iraq, ran up the biggest defecit in national history, and so on. Psshaw! Going after filesharing is just as bad as Abu Ghraib!

    If you can't bring your party up to where people could vote for them with a clean conscience, you can at least bring the other party down and pretend that they're at the same level. Responses, if any, will be along the lines of "yeah, because Democrats are such angels, perfect in every way, and they always do what the people want" which is not what I said. I have long said that Dems and Repubs are about the same when it comes to pork spending, subservience to lobbyists, and general corruption (including legal but unethical stuff), but Repubs are essentially The Torture Party as far as I'm concerned. You don't have to impress me much to beat out The Torture Party.

    If the Dems just run as the "We Think Habeus Corpus is Important" party, that's good enough for me, even with the usual complement of pork spending and knee-jerk overreaction that we always expect from congress. I wish Dems were better, but this equivocation where going after filesharers proves that the Dems are just as bad as the Republicans is a bit ridiculous. If torture, habeus corpus, and warrantless surveillance aren't part of the discussion about which party is better, at least right now, then we aren't really having a discussion.

  12. A commenter writes... by rilister · · Score: 5, Funny

    A commenter on the post said, "Unfortunately we are likely to see neither sense nor principle from the Democrats on this issue, as Hollywood is their biggest cash machine."

    ...you think that's bad? you should see some of the crap I've posted as comments here...

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  13. That thing about Hollywood is strictly horseshit by Get+Behind+the+Mule · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Hollywood is the main source of cash for Democrats" is just another legend in the rich and bizarre mythology of conservatism, and as such it is typically puerile and easily refuted.

    Opensecrets reports that the top industries donating to the DNC, based on contributions from PACs, Levin money donors, and individuals who self-identify their employer, are:

    1. Retired ($7,389,597)

    2. Lawyers/Law Firms ($3,250,708)

    3. Securities & Investment ($2,301,530)

    4. Real Estate ($1,570,877)

    5. Education ($1,429,546)

    6. Misc Finance ($1,176,402)

    7. Business Services ($1,108,889)

    8. Health Professionals ($1,044,045)

    9. TV/Movies/Music ($1,042,810)

    Thus the "industry" making the largest contributions to the DNC are retired individuals, contributing over $7 million to a total of about $37 million. The entertainment industry, which is presumably what the myth-entranced poster meant by "Hollywood", comes in 9th place with just about one measly million.

    For the DCCC, which is responsible for elections in the House, it breaks down like this:

    1. Candidate Committees ($28,987,184)

    2. Retired ($6,473,164)

    3. Securities & Investment ($5,237,572)

    4. Lawyers/Law Firms ($4,730,490)

    5. Real Estate ($2,846,870)

    6. TV/Movies/Music ($2,299,387)

    So the top contributors to the general DCCC funds are, by far, the individual campaign committees (who of course must get their own contributors). "Hollywood" comes in sixth place with about $2 million out of a total of over $80 million.

    For the DSCC, responsible for Senate campaigns, the picture is about exactly the same as for the DCCC:

    1. Candidate Committees ($10,312,550)

    2. Lawyers/Law Firms ($9,989,631)

    3. Securities & Investment ($7,938,319)

    4. Retired ($6,967,505)

    5. Real Estate ($4,864,610)

    6. Misc Finance ($2,585,026)

    7. TV/Movies/Music ($2,286,687)

    This time, "Hollywood" comes in 7th place, again with about $2 million out of over $80 million.

    However we much we may dislike what Harry Reid is doing, the claim about "Hollywood" and the Democrats is load of peanut butter. We need to get these reality-challenged conservative canards out of our public discussion; they certainly have no business of the front page of Slashdot.

  14. Would downloading an HTML file be file sharing? by CockMonster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The ISPs should switch off the internet for a day. That'll learn 'em.

  15. Re:Any hope of balanced coverage? by robot_love · · Score: 2, Informative

    You imply that if the current system were gone, there would be nothing to replace it. I disagree. Something will replace it (for humans have always told stories). In fact, I think that whatever replaces it will actually be much better.

    Technology now allows anyone with minimal finance to create their own movies or music. What will happen, when the current colossus tumbles, is that you will experience more and better movies and music than you ever dreamed possible. Certainly, at the beginning there will be less big budget action spectaculars, but honestly, is that a bad thing?

    With the current gate keepers gone and the internet there to do the distribution, a much brighter and vibrant world awaits. We should do all we can to hasten the demise of the media industry.

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  16. GREAT!!!! Now is the time for us to.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    prepare all our DOS and civil disobedience techniques.

    Colleges require information to flow as freely as possible, so they depend on a fair amount of corner-cutting. No one really waits to get approval or check the copyright position before downloading something from the Wiki, for instance. If they were forced to, a college could not function.

    So we need to spam the most righteous Bible Colleges with spurious DMCA takedown notices, and claim obscure copyright privileges over any communication we have with them.

    Perhaps we could find encrypted streams passing between government buildings, and 'fake whistle-blow' to the RIAA that films are being passed on these links. Send copyrighted data to prominent supporters of the bill without the copyright message, and then get their systems turned over....

    The possibilities are endless!!

  17. Re:That thing about Hollywood is strictly horseshi by krou · · Score: 2

    While that's strictly true (i.e. it's not the main source), it's certainly one of their main contributors, and far more so than the Republicans. You should do some comparisons between Republican vs. Democrat to understand the Hollywood/Democratic link. (All figures from the websites you linked to).

    For example, the contribution of the TV/Movies/Music industry to the Democratic Party is considerably higher than the Republican Party ($6,045,582 vs. $2,434,205), and while the RNC and the DNC are very similar in contributions ($949,844 for the former vs. $1,042,810 for the latter), the NRCC doesn't even register TV/Movies/Music as being a big contributor. The NRSC comes in with a measly $627,684.

    Main contributor, no, but certainly one of them, and certainly more pro-Democrat than Republican.

    The whole thing reminds me of Bill Hicks' comment: "I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'"

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  18. Re:Normal democracy in a capitalist nation? by niktemadur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't that just the normal form of democracy in a capitalist nation?

    Not quite. During most of the XX century, more often than not, Washington managed to strike a balance between business interests and the interests of society as a whole - think of the cries of corporate outrage when recordable cassettes and VCRs came out, how it supposedly signaled the end of the world as we now it, etc, and how Washington stood its' ground, deeming the technology legal for public consumption.

    However, since the advent of the internet, something snapped. Panicking, ignorant fossils (democrats and republicans alike) who think in terms of dump trucks and series of tubes and don't even know how to bookmark a page in their browsers, have now allowed a few major corporate players to determine, one insidious step at a time, how the internet should work and what constitutes fair use and theft, in the exact opposite direction of what used to be the norm.

    A corporate iron grip on western culture is almost complete, on paper, on an unprecedented scale. And now, the do-nothing, good-for-nothing distinguished congressman from Nevada is giving us a glimpse of just who owns everything - those who own him. I am convinced that he is completely ignorant on american legal history of intellectual property and ownership.

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  19. A little matter of history? by tjstork · · Score: 3, Informative

    forget what party gutted habeus corpus, thinks torture is OK,

    Didn't the Democrats put 200,000 Japanese citizens in concentration camps during World War II?

    Run MK-ULTRA, and numerous CIA / FBI abuses during the Cold War?

    Allow J Edgar Hoover's FBI to amass data on US Citizens for almost 40 years?

    Run illegal wiretaps throughout every Presidency since Truman?

    The whole notion of Democrats having of moral superiority when it comes to civil rights has no historical basis in fact.

    Our best hope would have been to have conservatives acting like conservatives, gutting the government rather than expanding it.

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  20. Re:Any hope of balanced coverage? by eclectro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    copyright holders are evil and file sharers are good, but at least try to appear more balanced. I just bought a CD as a gift for my sister that I wanted to stick on the new mp3 player I wanted to give her for her birthday. I discovered that the CD *would not* play in the computer CDROM player, which prevents me from converting it to mp3. But it plays in a crappy standalone CD player, indicating DRM is involved

    I look up the CD on the pirate bay and sure enough it's there and being seeded.

    So from my simple experience (I listen to little music and rarely use mp3s) the copyright holder (warner music) really is an evil scumbag and the filesharers are good by doing me a favor by making available to me music that I bought myself. I also have lost respect for this artist for whoring himself out to that label.

    The music industry is crying elephant tears about how CD sales are going through the floor. Maybe it's because they are selling a crap product that people don't want to buy (I'm taking the CD back as defective tomorrow). I hope that the freemarket puts them out of business. This would not be a loss.

    So much as downloading movies are concerned, the vast majority of the population 99% do not do it. So that's not much of an argument. In any event, what's going to kill hollywood is people not turning off cellphones in theaters.

    But in reality, you and I know that you are astroturfing here anyway.
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  21. Getting better by Get+Behind+the+Mule · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While that's strictly true (i.e. it's not the main source), ...


    You were getting close, but then you said:

    ... it's certainly one of their main contributors ...


    Sorry, but the "Hollywood" cash contribution to Democrats is just too small to warrant the phrase "one of the main". It consistently comes in at something like 2.5%.

    Main contributor, no, but certainly one of them, and certainly more pro-Democrat than Republican.


    All right, this is indeed a true statement, and point well taken. While a couple of million bucks will not necessarily make or break the Democrats, it's certainly nothing for Harry Reid to sneeze at. And the fact that Democrats get a lot more from the entertainment industry than Republicans do is certainly at least part of the politics at play here.

    There's also the fact that the entertainment industry has a lot of public influence unrelated to the size of their cash donations, for obvious reasons. If good relations with "Hollywood" will get positive publicity for Democrats that comes "for free", well hey, no wonder they like it.

    But I suspect that this issue is not well understood if we overestimate the influence of "Hollywood" on the Democratic leadership; certainly if we let false assertions about the "biggest cash machine" go unanswered. I think there's also the fact that the entire political class in Washington, Democrats and Republicans, is firmly entrenched in the belief that file sharing is criminal and immoral, and damaging to the economy.
  22. Re:stealing and theft by toQDuj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I disagree. I think there's a whole grey area between interested enough to copy it, and interested enough to pay money for it. The grey area spans the economic value range of 0 to the price of the article. There are many reasons not to be interested enough to pay money for it (e.g. when it means having no money left for food) and interested enough to try. The target market is the people that have the money and are willing to spend that money on the product. Here, the pirates (arr) are not willing to spend their money on the product and thus fall outside of the target market. Apparently, the value they associate with the product does not warrant their spending.

    (by the by, the tone of your article makes it sound as if you've got problems with me, personally. Well, I buy my stuff, but that doesn't mean that I disagree with the Pirates (arr.) on all of their points. I think there is a reason for the existence of this "market", and as with many markets, it cannot be force away. Thus an alternative is to be found)

    B.

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  23. Downloading on roommates port by nukem996 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Last year when I was at college I had a room mate that downloaded 24/7. He got kicked off the Ethernet connection and just continued to use the wireless to download(he had a laptop). I know many people who would steal there room mates connection when something like that happened while there not home. Its impossible to guard against this and the university's policy said that it is your responsibility on what happened to that port. Many people would do it behind there room mates back or just ignore them when they told them to stop. My neighbor even requested a room mate change because of this but the university said it wasn't a significant reason and denied him. But still what happens if the RIAA/MPAA sues some poor kid who has never downloaded and who's room mate was just using the port? They have two options, get flooded with legal fees and maybe if there lucky successfully sue the RIAA/MPAA for legal fees or pay the fine for something they didn't do. If there going to crack down on this there going to have 2 have locks with Ethernet ports. They have no way of knowing whois computer was on that port. And if your going to ask just look up the MAC you can spoof a MAC if you are downloading to someone elses and poof it wasn't you stealing the port, who was it?

  24. Re:stealing and theft by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the world market, America's greatest asset is intellectual property, sadly. You don't see Germans and Japanese beating down our doors to buy Ford trucks. We are a nation of consumers, and we don't particularly make good products. But our books, music, movies, and software seem to be pretty popular around the world. Protecting the integrity of IP is pretty important.

    Stealing IP is against the law, and the law is very clear on the matter. When I was younger, I pirated games and music all the time, but as I've gotten older, I really can't justify it simply by stating I don't have the money to legally purchase it. With that defense, do I have the right to go steal a car?

    You argue that creating a copy means nothing was actually taken, but both in stealing a movie, and stealing a car involve the producer of said product to lose money. So they are similar. And when you copy a movie, or a song, or software, you enable that to be copied and distributed by even more people. You have repeat the crime. In a P2P network, everyone is doing their part to help the others copy and distribute the illegal goods.

    From a legal standpoint, simply stealing is one thing, but distributing is yet another.

    If that is what you opt to do, then so be it. Most everyone on the planet breaks laws. We speed, or jay-walk, or litter, or whatever. Piracy seems to be fairly common as well.

    But don't try to pretend that there isn't anything wrong with it.

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  25. Re:the distinction... by rabidMacBigot() · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And which party is pushing the free speech-sodomizing "fairness doctrine", allowing the government to dictate what private broadcasters can say about politics? Just come off it. Democrats voted for the Iraq war. If you don't like the war, don't fucking pretend that your pet congresscritters had nothing to do with it. There is no lesser of the two evils.

  26. Republicans Gone Hollywood by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reid is getting plenty of money from "Hollywood", as is the rest of the Democratic Party. And this policy is clearly bought and paid for by the content industry.

    But is Hollywood "Democrats' biggest cash machine"? No. It's not the biggest source of money to the Democratic Party. I'd like to see some evidence to back up that Republican talking point, before it's promoted on the Slashdot front page.

    And are Democrats really the "Hollywood Party"? Schwarzenegger, governor of California, is a Republican - and all Hollywood. Fred Thompson, a favorite of Republicans to run for president next year, is a Republican, a popular TV actor, and all Hollywood. Ronald Reagan, patron saint of the Republican Party, was nothing but Hollywood, after his career as B actor, culminating in roles as California governor, then US president. And of course Hollywood, the ultimate corporate media cash machine, prefers the Republican Party, which represents precisely Hollywood's values: corporate media, rich people, marketing appearance over substance, popularity contests determining power, the lot.

    Hollywood is America. Both the Democratic and Republican parties are America. Pretending only Democrats are Hollywood, while Republicans are their real blockbusters, is not really "the American Way". It's the Republican Way. But it's just a made up story, projected on screens across America and the world.

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  27. Re:that's incrediby retarded by Mr2001 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What, voting for a third party is somehow going to help? They're just a different color of cat.

    The problem is with the system: Duverger's law. We have a two-party system because our voting method pushes us in that direction, and once you're down to two parties, it doesn't really matter who they are. They'll be subject to all the same influences as the Republicans and Democrats are now, because they'll be the only ones in power. An interest group that wants a favor will donate to the majority party; a group that's been slighted by the current government will donate to the opposition. It'll be the same thing we have now, with different letters after the names on TV.

    If you really want to do something smart, do two things:
    • Figure out which major party you like more (or hate less), join it, and work from within to change it into the kind of party that represents you. This is how you effect change in the short term.
    • Push for a new voting method. Approval voting, instant runoff, proportional representation... they're all better than what we have now. This is how you effect change in the long term, with an election structure that makes it easy for more than two parties to thrive.
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  28. Re:stealing and theft by toQDuj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My argument was merely that copying is not stealing. I do not advocate either, unless it be legal (to copy, that is). That aside, I would like to offer some more reply to your post.

    Protecting IP is quite important I'd say. They're trying to push it here as well. However, whilst protecting you IP, you can still make it easy for a broad market to purchase rights to listen, read or watch such IP. For example, they could provide in several different formats, each with their own price (i.e. hardcovers and paperbacks). Where it goes wrong is that they try to squeeze as much money out of it as they can, which means that for Joe Consumer, the price of what he wants is always slightly above that which he's willing to pay for it. Most consumers still pay for it, hence the position of the pricepoint. It goes wrong when J. C. can only buy one version, the super-duper high-def quadrovox DVD, most probably because the other formats do not provide as much revenue. J. C. can either buy from his (assumed) limited budget, or download.

    Note that there is no third option here, which is that J.C. pays what he's willing to pay (plus perhaps a little bit extra), and accepts some loss in quality (there has to be a tradeoff somewhere). So with those two options available, the flourishing downlaod "market" tells us that many go for option two. There needs to be a store with a slider, in which J. C. can set the quality he wants for the price he's willing to pay, confident in the knowledge that the RIAA won't come knocking on his door.

    Now as for my stealing vs. copying argument, it is clear that the producer (in your case) stands to lose. However, it is not as if people came up to the producer and took money out of his pocket. In effect, copying is an indirect method for preventing sales. No one loses a valuable product, but the product itself loses in value. It is similar to many things when viewed in that way. People putting spoilers of harry P. on the web might be devaluating a product. A smear campaign might be devaluating. Commercials might be devaluating some competitors products. Would you, then, call that stealing too?

    In my opinion, we should call stealing stealing and copying copying. The implications of both are clear, but there is simply no reason to confuddle the two. Would you not agree?

    B.

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  29. Stupid corporate influences . . . by spamking · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm so happy that our government is being so easily influenced to spend precious time on something with such a big influence on our national security, our society and the people of the United States of America.

    Well done!!

    /end sarcasm

  30. Re:oh really? by SirStanley · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... It boggles my mind that someone could not be aware of Hollywood's significant backing of Democratic Candidates... But since you aren't, here is a nice primer story to get you going

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/story? id=3381169&page=1

    In 2004 Presidential election 70% of the "Tinseltown" donations went to Democratic candidates.

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  31. Re:that's incrediby retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or how about term limitations on Congress and Senators and elimnination of life time tenure for judicial officials?

    The constitution defines the states as owning the election process for its officials. It seems to me then that each state has the right to decide on term limits for their representatives (Congresspeople and Senators work for the state). So if enough people in a given state vote to limit terms for their reps they should be able to.

    The founders of the country envisioned a part-time federal government made up of citizen statesmen that would server for a short time then go home to their jobs/farms/etc. If the politicians were term limited then they wouldn't always be chasing the re-election dollar.

    And why should judges get life time appointments? Why not give them say 10 year appointments at any one level. If they can't get an appointment to the next level then they go back to private life.

  32. Re:yeah by lilomar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem isn't with the lawyers. It's with the political parties.
    When was the last time you saw the Republicans or the Democrats actually do something that helped the common man instead of the corporations that pay for them to get back in office?

    Look, it's common sense really. Imagine, for a moment, that you are a Congress-Person. You get a nice paycheck and your name on TV. Your mom is so proud. Now it's crunch time: you actually have to pass a law. You can go two ways on this. You can go one way, and make a couple of your constituents happy, or, you can go the other way and make (insert big-name corporation here) happy. If you pass a law that helps out the individual voters, you might get an extra 10,000 votes next time around, if you're lucky. But, if you make the corporation happy, you will get plenty of money to pay for a campaign that will give you those 10,000 votes, but you can now target those votes in the area/state that will make the most difference to you getting elected. Keep in mind that your competition is going to be getting money from the corps and will be targeting the important states. Now, your choice boils down to this: Do you vote to make people in general like you (by doing what is in their best intrest), or do you vote to make the people in the important areas like you (by targeting them with your campaign)?

    And just to keep the system working, anyone who decides to 'do the right thing' and help out the people, doesn't get elected next term. I just love American Politics.

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  33. well by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful
    if you are going to be so intellectually obfuscating and obtuse as to say looking out for something as straightforward as the public interest is a form of favoritism, then you are going to have to conclude that ANY position you take can be worded as a form of favoritism. in which case, you must give up the idealistic notion of showing no favoritism to anyone, and instead merely pick the most worthy group to favor. which is of course, right back where we started: the public interest. q.e.d.: your little ayn rand quote leads nowhere intellectually or morally enlightening, it's just a shell game. game over, you lose libertarian

    once upon a time, there was a concept called selfishness. along came a reptile like ayn rand, dressed this concept up in the trappings of philosophy, and rechristened the concept libertarianism. well actually, she favored the term objectivism, and was antagonistic to libertarians as ignorant people: rand was quite antagonistic to libertarians:

    They are not defenders of capitalism. They're a group of publicity seekers... most of them are my enemies... I've read nothing by a Libertarian (when I read them, in the early years) that wasn't my ideas badly mishandled--i.e., had the teeth pulled out of them--with no credit given

    so she thought of libertarians as ignorants, and she was right about that. but no matter,
    her "objectivism" is still utter intellectual crap. libertarianism is nothing but a code word for selfishness, dressed up in political signals and philosphical portents. but if you dress up a cheap whore in a fine dress, she's still a cheap whore. so it is with libertarians and anyone who spouts that nonsense. her "objectivism" has been completely coopted by the ignorant libertarians even ayn rand detested. she deserves them as her cult followers nonetheless, because whatever she called her thinking, trying to separate herself in vain from the kind of retards her pap appealed to, her thinking was still lame

    libertarianism appeals to certain classes of individuals:

    1. libertarianism appeals to earnest but naive college students with too many philosophy books under their belt, but without any real life experience, who build castles in the sky in their minds about how the world should or would or could work if people just started behaving in ways people have never behaved in any culture or time period since the dawn of mankind

    2. it also appeals to rural folk, who don't understand how they fit into the larger world, and firmly believe themselves to be islands completely owing nothing to anyone else. what they are of course is coccooned within a larger country and system upon which the relative peace and quiet of their worlds depend. but it is hard to see that from the hinterlands until madness marches across the countryside, which it does, unfortunately, in societies that have abandoned the simple common human responsibility we have to take care of each other

    3. and it appeals to 40 something selfish assholes behind on their alimony payments, corrupt and personally bankrupt about any give and take in their lives. nothing more needs to be said of such people. we understand them, and we understand why libertarianism appeals to them on a deep level

    i put it this way: human nature is both altruistic and selfish. any political philosophy you present to the world has to address both sides of this coin, or you have built a political philosophy which is a nonstarter in the real world, because it doesn't jive with the nature of the humans you are attempting to impose it on

    we all understand why communism doesn't work: it depends upon altruism, and doesn't address human selfishness. in a communist system, selfishness still exists, in the human beings in the system, but unaddressed by the system imposed upon them, and so selfishness eats communism apart from the inside

    if you will, if a whole co

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  34. Re:oh really? by gsslay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's an entirely different statistic. The question is not what percentage of "Tinseltown" donations went to Democrats, it is what percentage of Democrats donations came from "Tinseltown".

  35. Re:oh really? by captainjaroslav · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think you missed his point. He's not claiming that Hollywood doesn't favor Democrats over Republicans. It's the statement "Hollywood is their biggest cash machine" that rings false. According to opensecrets.org's listing of contributions by industry, the sector that they call "TV/Movies/Music" gave the Dems about $14M in 2006 and $22M in 2004. It's true that they only gave Republicans $8M and $10M in those same years, however, here are the contributions to Democrats for other sectors in those same years:

    Construction
    2006 $16M (more than TV/Movies/Music)
    2004 $20M (less)

    Finance/Insurance/Real Estate
    2006 $110M
    2004 $140M

    Health
    2006 $36M
    2004 $48M

    Lawyers/Lobbyists
    2006 $96M
    2004 $150M

    Misc. Business
    2006 $57M
    2004 $85M

    Labor
    2006 $57M
    2004 $53M

    Ideology/Single-Issue Money
    2006 $98M
    2004 $110M

    So, according to these numbers, the Democrats have several bigger "cash machines" than Hollywood, even if you include the music industry in there. Your mind may stop being boggled now.

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  36. Wait a minute by sheldon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Didn't the Democrats put 200,000 Japanese citizens in concentration camps during World War II?


    Didn't Michelle Malkin write a book about how the concentration camps were a good thing? By golly, yes she did. Title is "In Defense of Internment".

    So one of the annointed few who is allowed to speak on behalf of the Republican party is running around the airwaves defending the japanese internment... Whereas the Democrats apologize for it whenever it's brought up.

    It's examples like this which lead people to the conclusion that the Democratic party is the one with moral superiority.

    It's one thing for abuse to occur, but it's quite another to defend abuse.
  37. I'm freakin' dyin' over here. by FatSean · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you tell me to pick one of the two parties, get inside, and change it to what I want? The problem is that we have only two parties in which to place all the people in this nation. We need more options, as no party seems to represent even most of a person's beliefs. People can't find a reflection of themselves in either R or D so they vote for the least offensive party.

    That's fucked up. We need more choices.

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  38. Re:true believers? ha! by halivar · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A couple points:

    1) I never said the European system was better. I don't believe it is. "Glowingly?" I was being pretty dispassionate about the differences in our systems, I thought.

    2) I believe everyone has the right to be represented in their government; even (and especially, given their minority status) the fringe lefties and right-wingers. The founding fathers felt the same way.

    3) You said:

    the strength of democracy is that the fringe does NOT get in power
    I disagree. I believe the real strength of our federalist limited-democratic republic is that the whims of the majority do not and can not drown out the voices and rights of the minority, no matter their political persuasion. It's precisely why the founding fathers didn't create a pure democracy (tyranny of the majority).
  39. Re:that's incrediby retarded by vertinox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What, voting for a third party is somehow going to help? They're just a different color of cat.

    Speaking of which. If you care enough about politics.... Register Republican and vote Ron Paul in the republican primary.

    He's the only politician that isn't a cat. He's voted no on everything from the Patriot Act, to the Iraq war, and from little things like giving government grants.

    Now to be fair, he may not be the world's most brightest when it comes to technology, but many feel for the sure fact that he believes that the federal government should not interfere with economics beyond the letter of the constitution and the fact he wants to get rid of the department of education and get it into the hands of the local governments again would make this issue a moot point.

    If you don't know who Ron Paul is... Look him up on Youtube. He was on the Daily Show.

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  40. Re:learned helplessness by lilomar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just because I point out the flaws in the current system, doesn't mean I don't try to do anything to change it. I vote for those I see as the lesser of the two evils, and encourage my friends and family to do the same. I write letters to my congress-people whenever a vote about something I care about comes up.
    If you know of anything else I can do to help bring about change I would be more than glad to hear it. But accusing me of helping to create a fascist state is not constructive, nor is it going to change the fact that this country's political system is broken; very, very, broken.

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  41. Re:So the Republicans would be better? by heretichacker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So Republicans are easily influenced? I guess this explains why despite enormous pressure from Hollywood and many other corporations/groups with large amounts of money, President Bush remains steadfast in support of the war? And also, despite pressure from the aforementioned, the Republicans recently filibustered an attempt to set a deadline for the war. I'm not saying that sometimes they aren't influenced (as someone else said, it's part of being a politician). Just that despite all this pressure and influences, they're staying steady with the war and won't relent. They're doing what they believe is best for the country, as is evidenced by their nonwillingness to back off when pressured like this.

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  42. HOWTO form a single issue pressure group. by twrake · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Make this issue the college age election issue. Register to vote at your college district and make all politicians aware of your feelings, organize other students on this issue and vote based on this issue. Local elected officials will need to address any group of citizens of numbers 10 or more. Local officials will cry to state and federal officials this will get Reid's attention he is a party leader. Do it this year, get the freshman to do it. Next year is congressional reelection do it again. If you succeed in rattling a few lower elected officials their political consultants will be all over you trying to save their members in Congress their jobs.

    History says college students will not become politically active like this and the likely outcome... More slashdot posts, more parties, more bitching at politicians. The politicians KNOW you will not act they can take the money and use your college administrations against you and your tuition.

    NO ACTION == NO FILE SHARING.

    Do something, anything really.

  43. This proposal has already been withdrawn by Doug_Tygar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Slashdot is simply out of date. From the Chronicle of Higher Education's Today's News (for subscribers): Facing widespread outrage from college officials, a prominent senator withdrew legislative language on Monday that would have required some institutions to buy technological tools to curtail illegal file sharing on their campuses....

  44. What ever happened to the library? by foniksonik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't the whole point of a library to provide access to media for students interested in various topics who wouldn't be able to afford purchasing their own copies?

    Some school needs to get innovative and start up their own online media library which takes advantage of the super fast connections most campuses have and stream the media. They've tried partnering with commercial vendors but that doesn't seem to work as well as they'd hoped.

    The music industry and movie industry and whomever else should be giving students access to as much music as they want.... they're only there for 4-5 years on average and after they graduate they are going to want to have the same type of access... but will have jobs and bank accounts to pay for it. Right now all they are doing is training them on how to use P2P and avoid getting caught.

    Maybe they should limit internet access bandwidth to web and email ports but provide campusNet access to media servers with very fast connections. Make it really easy for students to access the legal stuff... then they'll only have to deal with the small minority who want to download *alternative* content. Even better, you could let students manage the content and create Channels. Let them create proposals for various formats and apply for budgets to buy the media for distribution to the rest of the campus. This would make the students appreciate the economics and would give them ownership which they will then defend against *pirates*.

    Add to this and license Facebook servers and let students hook up their profiles with various channels, etc and build their cultural profile and talk about the latest whatever.

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  45. Am I missing something? by lilomar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you disputing the fact that a system can become broken?

    What you have said so far is that anyone who refuses to work with the system is helping it to break, and if you think the system is broken, there is no reason to try to work with it.

    So what should someone who believes the system is broken do? I can't do nothing because that makes me a fascist, and I can't work within the system for to try and improve it because that makes me a hypocrite. The only options left, that I can see, are working outside the system by manipulating the vote, or a second revolution, which I am hesitant to initiate until all other options have been tried.

    Is there another option I've missed? Or are you just argueing to argue now?

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  46. Here we go again... by lag00natic · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As predictable as the day is long, yet another post defending the Democrats regardless of what they do. Post an article that is critical of the Republican leadership and everyone jumps on the neocon bashing bandwagon. Post an article that is critical of Democratic leadership and everyone jumps to their defense.

    Listen, both the Democrats and Republicans are bought and paid for by special interest groups. You are only kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

  47. The difference by grahamsz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a graduate of Edinburgh, the clear difference from the US is that transatlantic bandwidth is expensive. The university doesn't want you pulling terabytes from the state because it's damn expensive. I am under the impression that most US universities are so ingrained in the internet backbone that they have excess bandwidth and don't have to protect it.

    I found edinburgh didn't care too much about what you did so long as you stayed on JaNET, where they had 20Gb/s of bandwidth. You'd frequently find that your 100mbit ethernet connection or hard drive were the bottleneck on how fast you could share files. Of course most students were busy trying to run Napster or kazaa and leeching files across the atlantic :(

  48. You can't blame Reid by asleep79 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is a sad truth but one we're all aware of. Money talks. Our laws are no longer based on those "unalienable rights" listed in our beloved constitution. It is instead based on the 'Golden Rule' which states "He who has the gold makes the rules." Senator Reid is not the first to be bought by Hollywood and he won't be the last. There's too much money to be made through litigation for the RIAA so they're willing to invest quite a bit to pull whatever governmental strings they can find a price tag on.

    I'll stop here lest this turn into a 3 page rant that no one reads.

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  49. Free Media Downloads by Vegeta99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the article they mention schools giving away free or cheap media downloads.

    I go to Penn State. Well, this is good and all - our school used to give away free Napster downloads and now have moved to Ruckus. Well guess what? Every May, after finals, Napster disables your access to your downloads. You can't even stream anymore after the school year ends. And now that they've terminated their contract with Napster, the downloads do nothing at all. Not only that, but good luck getting those downloads to work in anything but Windows Media Player! My MP3s work on anything, including the reason most of it is digitized - to run on my XBox set-top box running XBMC.

    So, at least Penn State isn't giving away free or discounted music downloads, they're giving free music rentals. Sorry, but getting a cable modem and using BitTorrent is, and probably always will be more convenient. Sorry, RIAA, you're still fucked.

  50. This is Not Flamebait by photomonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So let me get this straight. The savior party that promised to end the war in Iraq, fix the clusterfuck that is healthcare, stop the overreaching civil-rights grab at the hands of the Republicans are now so *busy* doing all those things that they have time to worry about protecting the mafIAA?

    All I've seen come out of the Hill recently has been meaningless resolutions, pointless infighting and a lot of hot air.

    I'm all in favor of recalling every fucking one of them and putting a big dent in the problem by passing a term-limit bill on ALL elected and appointed government officials. I mean, fuck it. If they weren't so worried about having a career in politics, they would focus more on doing the right thing for the good of the people. And the bad ones would probably get out of the game forever.

    The goddamned democrats these days are every bit as worthless as the republicans.

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  51. Reid may be able to make young people vote. by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Attacking filesharing is nearly as bad as attacking drunken parties and springbreak. Trying to directly attack these things could help turn young people out to vote next election. All we really need is a core of people to stir the flames under those who are paying less attention to events.

    Already, the Internet, open source, blogs, and file sharing carry a strong echo of the flower power generation. Their movement may have died down but some of their root concepts have sprung forward in time to shake the foundations of old school business, politics, and press. Technology is no longer just for geeks - trying to squash these technologies is the perfect way to anger and motivate young people for whom these technologies have become an essential part of life. Could a political movement based on personal freedoms take hold again among the young?

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