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Bringing Science and Math Into Writing?

I am an eighth grade English teacher. As much as I love my subject and believe in the value of skillful writing, I also believe that there is a terrible lack of interest in the sciences and maths among students in general. In some sense, I believe English to be a support subject for the others classes at this grade level. At my school, the average science classroom has time for labs and note taking, but reading and writing on the subject (beside textbooks) is usually limited. Math is in a similar situation: they have time to learn a concept and practice, but not to linger on possibilities. Therefore, I have two questions for the readers of Slashdot: which books / shows / movies caused a curiosity towards these subjects when you were young, and what suggestions do you have for incorporating these subjects into writing?

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  1. You're doomed by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a noble quest you are on, but it is doomed to failure. Books/movies/shows won't do it. As any psychologist can tell you, by far the strongest formative influences on a child are other people. First among these are the parents. If they discuss Paris Hilton's latest cunt flash at the dinner table, the kids are not going to learn that science and math are important. They can be exposed to good books/movies/shows, but they just won't care. If they discuss mathematical proofs - as happened at our dinner table - the child will develop an interest in math and science. Then you won't need to find books/shows etc for him - he'll hunt them down himself.

    The one good bit of news is that the next most influential person in a child's life is often a teacher. Your own enthusiasm for the subject will do more than you know. Just be your nerdy self; you will change their lives.

    1. Re:You're doomed by ngworekara · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree. My parents didn't talk about science at the dinner table. All those kids need is challenging reading material. Not science related reading material, not even science fiction necessarily, just challenging. If they enjoy reading and it makes them question the world around them, then they will naturally want to branch out into science, if thats the direction for them. Some of them won't, they'll end up English teachers. Nothing wrong with that. My English teachers were a huge influence on me. They never needed to point me in any direction, they just taught me the value of the written word. I went and found plenty of books on my own as a result.

    2. Re:You're doomed by messner_007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "strongest formative influences on a child are other people" I think you two agree, ... But the important part of the problem lies in the fact, that the teacher must gain respect and trust of a student, to be effective. Students can then follow their teachers. Without "pointing in any direction" !

    3. Re:You're doomed by b4upoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      English is a lofty goal in and of itself. Sadly very few students will ever have a clue as to the power or beauty of English no matter what you do. Going from a natural language to push them toward the formal languages, mathematics, chemistry and physics would actually degrade your purpose. There will be other teachers for those language arts.
                            I had an professor who placed great emphasis on the crucifiction of the A type of students. You would be astounded at the effect of just out of the blue asking "Mr. Jones please compare and contrast Hungarian literature of the Lake Period to the literatures of Poland and Germany of the same period.". His point was that it is truly rare for two literate men to be alive at the same moment. I think he helps awaken students to have some rather lofty expectations of their efforts in your classes.

    4. Re:You're doomed by DansnBear · · Score: 2, Informative

      Would that math show happen to be Square One http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_One_(TV_series ) ?

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    5. Re:You're doomed by blahplusplus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "All those kids need is challenging reading material."

      Can we stop with the "one size fits all" mentality? Most schools have no idea how to 'educate'. They don't need "challenging reading material" you have to identify what the child wants to LEARN ABOUT, you have to hook whatever it is your teaching into a child's natural interest or curiousity and then work back from it. You really have to get into kids heads about the adventurous things they want to do, what they like, and what they (even if naively) dream about. I was a product of said school system and even I can see how alarmingly curiousity killing it is. I didn't learn to like learning until I got OUT of the school system completely including university.

      What modern educational systems are doing is killing children's natural curiousity be forcing them to learn boring dry material that has no *relationship* to what kind of things they dream about, want to explore, think about or want to accomplish... if anything if I had the money I would open my own private school because I can see how criminal the "adults" of education have no clue about what it was like to be a kid! When you were at the ages of 6, 10, 15 ... Were you thinking: Man if only I had some "challenging reading material" this would be so much more interesting?? I didn't think so either.

      When I was in school I had curiousity about a lot of things and how they worked:

      -I wanted to know how cars worked (and how parts of it were made, I wanted ALL the details even if it was some simple small part)
      -I wanted to know how to put (small) video games together (and I understood at the time after a bit of reading they required math, etc. If someone really smart from the game industry had come along with a 2D shmup / shooter (not to be confused with First person shooter). I would have sat there for days trying to build my own and gobble up everything I could about it after being shown step-by-step from start to finish how to put a small one together.
      -I had a fascination with math but I think in pictures, gemoetric shapes and words, not symbol scratch like ... 1, 2, 3... I thought about creating individualized geometric notation for the number system, so kids could add and substract via shape/color recognition very quickly (visual system) instead of pushing around our standard boring number system around. (1..2...3, etc)

      Those are just the really quick and dirty ideas too. The truth of the matter is education really needs to become more individualized to the child's preferred mode of thought and data processing style in many instances.

      Right now few people in the educational system understand nor talk about neurodiversity amd really understand what that means.

    6. Re:You're doomed by smallfries · · Score: 2, Informative

      You may want to investigate the relevation that different people have different opinions, and that getting a +5 insightful mod doesn't make you authoritative.

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    7. Re:You're doomed by failedlogic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would agree that a child' teacher and parent(s) can be an incredible influence. That was my experience more so than any other movie, TV show or book. Its not as simple as if you read this or watch that you'll want to do science obviously. I would say that it can unlock different pathways of thinking about things. I remember as a kid figuring out/thinking about natural and human events (and not understanding the science of things) just after being influenced by media.

      There's other factors at play here too... what is the learning environment, what neighborhood do they live in, what is income of parents, child's IQ, natural intuition, ability to solve problems, explore the environment, ask questions. They might all play a miniscule role but all add up.

      My father is a biochemist. I decided to study in university the natural sciences partly because he showed me some of the 'cool' stuff he did as a kid as did his coworkers. This still has an influence on my to this day ... but I changed course of study. But as I'm still curious, I still read a lot of science literature etc.

      If anything, I think its most imporant that students being to realize the importance of math at the junior high level as they start doing algebra. When we asked "Why we needed to know this?" questions, almost all our math and science teachers rolled their eyes and said - because its on the exam, or you need to know this if you want to be x or y in a real smart ass tone of voice. Every single time. We didn't realize that algebra and calculus played such a vital role in statistics, economics, electronics, computers, business, social sciences. etc. We were listening for an informed response. Never got one.

    8. Re:You're doomed by Archades54 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Set an assignment in how they must use English, Sciences, and Mathematics in a way to get laid. A quest of sorts, it would surely keep interest and creativity at a high.

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    9. Re:You're doomed by skeeto · · Score: 2, Funny

      If they discuss mathematical proofs - as happened at our dinner table [...]

      Son: "Dad, I can't figure out how to prove this one."
      Dad: "Son, you know the rules. No dessert unless you finish your proofs."

  2. MacGyver by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 4, Funny

    MacGyver may be a help. It also will teach thinking and improvising.

    1. Re:MacGyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      I am afraid McGyver is the worst example to give to children, because that series uses more or less science as a kind of magic, used to solve problems. Let us remember that science is essentially about how and sometimes why things work, not that much about what you can do with them, which is the domain of technique or - if the technique is successful on a large scale - hopefully technology.


      To take an extreme example, learning on which button to push to start a machine is not science - and never will be :-( .
       

    2. Re:MacGyver by farkus888 · · Score: 2, Funny

      sadly, that is more true than you might think. I grew up spending all my time watching MacGyver and Baywatch as a young boy. as an adult I have become a complete nerd, if I am not thinking about computers, science, or math I am thinking about breasts. these shows undoubtedly affected the adult I became. and to be honest I think I am proof that exposure to the right shows can really benefit a child later on in life.

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    3. Re:MacGyver by farkus888 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you are wrong. watching the show I saw what appeared so cool its practically magic and immediately wanted to know why it worked so I could do it and be cool like him. may not be true for everyone but like I said, it worked for me.

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    4. Re:MacGyver by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am afraid McGyver is the worst example to give to children, because that series uses more or less science as a kind of magic, used to solve problems.

      "Science can be useful." Well, that's certainly a horrible lesson to learn - Heaven forbid the kids might think that this stuff could actually be useful to them. Then they might learn it for practical reasons, rather than for love of abstract knowledge, and we just can't have such things tainting our pure and clean ivory tower, now can we ?

      Sarcasm aside, science is a kind of magic, used to solve problems. Or just what do you think your medieval forefathers would think of the computer, the television, or even the light bulb ? Or heck, what would they think of refrigerators: "You have a closet which stays cold by itself ? Inconceivable !" And don't even get me started on electric heaters and microwave ovens.

      Just a while ago there was an article on Slashdot, describing how stem cells have been used to fix damaged spines in rats. Making the paralyzed walk again is a miracle straight from the Bible; if that isn't good enough for you to qualify science as "magic", then just what does it take ? Huh ?

      To take an extreme example, learning on which button to push to start a machine is not science - and never will be :-( .

      Actually, it is.

      Science is about making hypotheses on how things work and then testing them, a process known as the scientific method. Now, if you are trying to switch on a machine, how will you go about it ? You first look at the buttons, seeing if there's any hints on which one is the on button. If there are such hints, you try that button first, if not, then you pick a button at random. Then you observe the results: did the machine turn on ? If not, then your hypothesis was incorrect and you try another button; if yes, then it is likely that this was the correct button (but not certain, since it could be a combination of buttons or something which started the machine).

      Learning to operate a machine without instructions is an endeavour where the scientific method will become very handy. Sure, the machine itself might be technology; but your hopefully systematic attempts to learn about it are science, or at least they better be if you want to have success.

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    5. Re:MacGyver by rainlord · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree with that the science is a bit off in those shows, however, this made me think of a particular episode I saw recently. To skip the storyline it was basically this:

      McGuyver goes to visit a school where his old science professor teaches. The son to the science professor is also in the school and is trying his damned hardest to live up to his dad's standards, but fails as his father (the teacher) is not being a good father and is never satisfied with an A when there's an A+. In any case, all the science students have a final project, it's building a barrier/blockade to prevent others from entering a door. So there's a hallway, 6 doors, 6 different methods of locks. Some doors have a peep hole to see inside the room. The task is to break the door scientifically and enter the room.

      Example locks from the show:
      1. It's time based, door won't open until clock reaches X hour
      2. It's 10 locks, some when turned left are locked, some when turned right are locked, you don't know which, endless combinations to get in.
      3. Two glasses are on a scale inside the room balancing each other out. Tipping one glass over will unlock the door.
      4. Looking through the peep hole you see a huge metal plate on a pole blocking the door, the pole is hooked up to a garage opener.

      The kid of the teacher in the show had door 4, and the short story is that the "really smart kid in class but that hates the other guy cheats and listens on how to open the door".

      To break the doors they did this:
      1. Hooked up some electrical thing to the door that made the clock run faster. Voila, door opened in minutes instead of hours.
      2. On the side of the locks along the door frame, the guy put magnet and poured metal dust between the magnet and the door. On the locks that were closed, the dust would stick. Thus he know which way to unlock it.
      3. Used a high frequency modulator to shatter a glass inside the room.
      4. (This one isn't exactly science, but it's interesting.) When the viewer looked through the hole, he actually saw an exact miniature replica of the room, but the big blocking thing was in the opposite open location. So when the evil kid managed to replicate the frequency for the garage door opener, the room in fact locked, but the miniature opened it's mini-version. The door had been open the whole time.

      So, McGuyver isn't all bad all the time. What I'm getting is this:

      I've bought many books on many subjects intending to learn from them. I get bored, super fast, and the book was a waste. I watch someone do something scientific that has a logical explanation, I immediately start to think of "wow, what kind of door could I build?", "hmm, I wonder how that problem could be solved (such as, opening one of the doors before I saw the solution), etc. Learning by doing is very strong, it's proven over and over again that if people get as much hands-on as possible with a subject (combined with other stuff of course), they learn and question things at the same time.

      I think anyone would find that episode interesting. Remember, everyone loves booby traps! How can you make science a booby trap? You probably could in many different ways. One of my favorite teacher was my science teacher. He would always get electrical shocks (serious ones) from various things he was displaying. For some reason, the fact that he was just crazy about science made me love going to those classes, because I never knew what was going to happen, and if something went really wrong while he was doing it, he's ask us "Ok, what just happened there, and why?". It made us think, and I know for a fact that we all learned tons.

      Hope that helps and that this isn't modded into oblivion :)

    6. Re:MacGyver by phaunt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To take an extreme example, learning on which button to push to start a machine is not science - and never will be :-( .
      Actually, it is. Science is about making hypotheses on how things work and then testing them, a process known as the scientific method.
      As a nice example, consider this comic, and don't forget to read the tooltip text that appears when you hover over the image.
    7. Re:MacGyver by smallfries · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know, if you don't get the literary reference that the GP is alluding to then maybe you should look it up instead of posting a sniping response. Given the way it was modded I think you are in the minority. Here's a hint: look up quotes by Arthur C. Clarke.

      Magic, as the term is commonly used (especially by hackers) is anything that you don't understand. It doesn't imply a supernatural explanation in this context. The empirical approach that the GP described is exactly how we turn magic into science.

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    8. Re:MacGyver by grassy_knoll · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Thank you for this:

      "Science can be useful." Well, that's certainly a horrible lesson to learn - Heaven forbid the kids might think that this stuff could actually be useful to them. Then they might learn it for practical reasons, rather than for love of abstract knowledge, and we just can't have such things tainting our pure and clean ivory tower, now can we ?


      As a child, I had the hardest time learning anything based around abstract theory. I kept asking "what's it for?" and without an answer other than "to pass a test" I became quickly bored. Damn near failed.

      I really don't understand the idea that if knowledge has a practical application it's somehow unclean.

      Perhaps it's a vestigal prejudice left over from the days when only the rich could afford higher education, and performing some sort of labor was a sign of membership in a lower class.
  3. How does it work? by fishyfool · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Doesn't matter what it is. It can be the latest and greatest gizmo like the iPhone, or a simple older gizmo like a dial telephone or a blender. Question how things work. Plant those questions in your young students minds, and then harvest their observations.

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  4. Good Luck by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We are geeks!!! we are predisposed to Math and Science.

    at any rate, the best thing you can do is to talk with the math teachers in your school to find out what the students are working on and then collaboratively design some extensions that you can apply in your classroom. a writing assignment that gets the kids to crack a book and report on a famous mathematician... make it a 20th century mathematician to make the kids see math is a living subject.

    perhaps get them to write some modern applications in the realm of medicine, construction, urban planning, etc. TO make such an assignment interesting to the student, make sure they pick a career field they are interested in and have them investigate math's applications in those fields

    I would not mix math and science in the same unit... Science is a little "softer" than math and will be more popular fore the students if given a choice. Also, make sure to have the kids pick the career field they want to write about before they are told what angle they will be looking at it from. knowing the angle will likely affect the career field they choose and thus fail to make them see math/sciences real contributions to areas other than engineering/science. Make sure they stick with that same field when you have them investigate the science involved.

    As you may have gleaned, I am a trained, but non-practicing, math teacher. I found that I could not stand the classroom. All that work on lesson plans and then even when you make up games, they still do not want to learn the material. I found the business world to be much more enjoyable. At least there your hard work gives you benefits.

  5. Science Fiction by SQL+Error · · Score: 4, Informative

    You have to be careful with your selection, though, because a lot of what passes for SF these days is My Talking Pony stories and/or porn.

    Heinlein's Have Spacesuit, Will Travel has a nice discussion of acceleration and interplanetary distances. Arthur C Clarke's The Fountains of Paradise offers an introduction to material strengths and orbital mechanics. Hal Clement's Mission of Gravity juxtaposes gravity and centripetal acceleration.

    1. Re:Science fiction by fermion · · Score: 2, Informative
      Let me expand on this. Science fiction often is not used in schools as it is not written to the literary standards of academia. English often appears to be primarily concerning the promotion of a certain standard rather than the promotion of critical thinking. For instance, when on reads a passage there is but on interpretation, and if one does not interpret the passage as such, and bubble in the correct answer, you do not graduate.

      By itself, this is not necessarily a problem. The one right answer anti-thinking philosophy permeates all education, and the more 'rigorous' the education, the more it appears to permeate. Here is where the problem exists, at least with respect to science and math. Science and math is about the discovery of fact patterns that will lead to a cause and effect. Good literature, which often involves fantasy and magical thinking, promotes the idea that cause and effect is not paramount, that magical thinking is acceptable, and that work is not required. Someone or something will save us, or we will be sold to a sports team, or the government will protect us. Occasionally good literature, like the Wizard of OZ, does promote cause and effect, but all too often such literature is ignored in favour of harry potter or Tolkien. A book, such as The Jungle, that is investigative, is uniformly represented as evil incarnate.

      What science fiction often supports is cause and effect. Everything happens for a reason. There is no magic, merely advanced and strange machines. We can break the current of laws of physics, but that is because we have put those laws in a certain domain, a la newtonian mechanics, and are now working with rules that more accurately describe the universe. On a more concrete level, a la Pohl and Heinlein, we learn we can't fire the post office lady as she would have not other work, or insurance rates are a statistical process. On a more recent trend, we learn from Robinson that if our current application of science is true, we might be in for nasty climate patterns. It any of this fact. Of course not. It is presented as opinion for the reader to ponder. The only assumption is cause and effect.

      And in middle school this idea of cause and effect must be made second nature to fight off the magical thinking that will be treacherous in high school. When a kid enters ninth grade the problem is not that they do not want to work. Not that they can't sit down. But they think that grades are magically given, effort has no consequence, the patterns and processes learned in math and science apply only on that day, as the rules will certainly change tomorrow. In short, their naturally tendency to believe in magic has been supported in the cause of proper literature while their developmental needs are not met.

      In terms of books, just encourage the kids to read anything. I still remember that my middle school reading list was so emaciated that there were only two rational books on the list. Likewise in elementary school. How did I know this? My parents had built an awesome library for themselves and my older siblings. If they have a book on grade level, or at Lexile, let them read it. Unless one is teaching the unique kid who hates to read, but will still make it into an ivy league graduate school, we can leave the 18th century conventions behind.

      In honor of the recently passed, I will recommend a Wrinkle in time, which is certainly good for children. If you can find a copy of Professor Diggon's Dragrons, that is good, but likely not for middle school. Any biography, even novelized, that illustrates the stuggle of discover, is also good.I note, for instance, that some of Edison's biographies are not good, as the stuggle is minimized, while many of Washington Carver's are.

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    2. Re:Science Fiction by edunbar93 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Heinlein's Have Spacesuit, Will Travel has a nice discussion of acceleration and interplanetary distances.

      Actually, "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" also goes on at length about learning, the process of learning, how the public school system gets in the way of that, and how to get around that. That's at least as important - if not more - than any discussion of physics and math.

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  6. Best piece of math/science/technical writing ever by Raul654 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related to TFA: I'm in the process of writing my masters. I'm doing it on the NAS Conjugate Gradient (CG) benchmark to several exotic architecture. Now for those of you who haven't heard of CG, it's a very-commonly-used but extremely complicated algorithm. I wanted to have a section in my masters explaining how CG works, only I hit a snag - all of the explanations SUCK. I mean, REALLY SUCK.

    I went to one of the profs in my department. He does numerical electromagnetism, so he is very good at math and CG is familiar to him. I asked him if he could recommend a "CG for dummies" book.

    He told me, as a matter of fact, there is: An Introduction to the Conjugate Gradient Method Without the Agonizing Pain by Carnegie Mellon professor Jonathan Richard Shewchuk. My E&M prof said it was the best bit of technical writing he'd ever seen. I'm about halfway through, but I have to agree - though it's complicated, it's by far the most comprehensible explanation I have ever seen. It really is a perfect example of what technical writing should be like.

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  7. Reading by VernonNemitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Read to your kids when they are too young to be able to do it themselves. This will at least teach them that fun things can be found in books. If you can then direct them toward science fiction, such as Tom Swift or Heinlein's juveniles, an interest in math and science becomes a likely side-effect.

    1. Re:Reading by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you can then direct them toward science fiction, such as Tom Swift or Heinlein's juveniles, an interest in math and science becomes a likely side-effect.

      In the 1970's, I grew up on the Heinlein juveniles, and would read a Tom Swift book when I couldn't find anything better, although they were terribly dated even by then. The trouble is that the Heinlein juveniles are getting dated as well, and are disappearing from library shelves, and in general young adult SF is getting to be an endangered species. Walk into a Barnes and Noble and look for SF on the YA shelves -- you'll have a very hard time finding any. Part of this may just be that there are fashions in fiction, and right now the fashion has swung toward fantasy. Another issue may be that crewed space travel used to be the most important trope in SF, and we're now finding out that it's much, much more difficult than anyone imagined ca. 1950. To kids these days, I think crewed interplanetary travel comes off like kind of a corny joke, like ray guns, flying cars, and world government. It's one of those things that just didn't happen. Kids these days also have a lot more options, including movies and video games. When I was a kid, Star Trek was about it; there was such a paucity of SFnal options on TV that I'd watch Creature Features on broadcast in a desperate attempt to get my SF fix.

  8. Philosophy and Debate by nebosuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rather than attempting a direct approach like including science or maths related material in your reading list, I would suggest adding in a healthy amount of philosophy and debate to the curriculum.

    Both demand understanding the subject matter (whatever it may actually be) and promote critical thinking. They also encourage the development of a larger vocabulary and command of more complex grammatical constructs, as expressing complex ideas necessitates a mastery of whatever medium is being used to convey them. These skills will be invaluable to your students in every aspect of their academic careers, and are fundamental requirements for sciences and maths.

    The best part is that the subject matter can be something that they're actually interested in. In fact, the deeper their personal interest, the more likely it is that they'll actually put forth the effort required to develop coherent arguments and care enough to force themselves to learn how to express their personal positions more clearly and effectively.

    1. Re:Philosophy and Debate by Kijori · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to disagree with you, necessarily, but just to suggest the opposite approach. Over here (England), teachers are required to work some skills into all their lessons - these skills are numeracy (maths), literacy (English) and IT. The head of a department issues guidelines as to what skills are particularly valuable to the children, and other teachers help to reinforce these skills. For example, an English teacher might incorporate a lesson creating a newspaper using DTP software - this both teaches the children about the style of newspaper copy and lets them practice what they've learnt in IT lessons. Similarly, a maths teacher might incorporate wordy questions to practice English skills, a science teacher might make use of statistical analyses, a geography teacher might have the children do calculations to work out population growth rates, and so on.

      The system works well - regular practice at something is far more effective than concentrated teaching for a lot of students.

      My suggestion would be to try something like that. First of all, you're not really asking the right people here. We don't know what skills your students need to practice and we don't know what's involved in your lessons. Speak to the heads of maths and science, or your pupils' maths and science teachers. They can probably suggest things to work in to your lessons, and may even be able to support you - you may not be qualified to answer all your students questions. Secondly, accept that you're not the only person with this sort of opinion. Chances are the science and maths teachers feel that the students have poor English skills and would like to see this improved; they might even appreciate some guidance on helping the students with their English. For a lot of your students, a solid grasp of grammar and spelling will stand them in better stead than extra encouragement with science, and you need to be careful not to stray too far from the basics.

    2. Re:Philosophy and Debate by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That sounds like it could easily become the worst possible system. By analogy, if I'm learning German and physics at the same time, trying to get through a physics textbook written in German only pisses me off and holds me back from learning either. How the hell can you learn any one thing when doing so requires applying other skills you haven't finished learning yet? And if you've already learned the skill enough to apply it, applying it in unrelated ways just makes for more busy work (i.e. having to typeset your English assignments using DTP software). And if you have learned the skills enough to usefully apply them in other studies, then you'd be applying them anyway, ideology or no ideology (i.e. word problems--who didn't have to do this in math class as a kid?)

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  9. Science fiction by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Science fiction obviously. When I was young, it was Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov and Arthur Clarke who had adventure stories involving science that wasn't too outrageously fantastic. The latter two both wrote non-fiction science for young people too. I think that despite their publishing dates, these would still be attractive to the current generation. They could be amazed at the clunky depiction of computers especially though, but that could be a talking point rather than a handicap. They might compare it to Jules Verne and HG Well's stories for how visions of the future have changed.

    As for TV, one used to say Star Trek, but recent versions have less and less to do with science, and in any case aren't in production now. I enjoy the new Doctor Who, but that has a great deal of fantasy these days.

    But for reading please avoid at all costs any novelisations of TV or movies. Hack writers can't bring anything worthwhile to plots whose shortcomings are only too apparent without special effects and explosions to distract.

    Short story anthologies might be a good bet. Many excellent ones, perhaps the annual Hugo Award Winners.

    And see Mathematical Fiction for a listo f books and stories about maths. I like Greg Egan and Rudy Rucker, but they might be beyond most kids.

  10. Go to the Root by enzeduniv · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the ways to encourage love and respect for maths and science is to teach the children where it all came from to begin with. Mathematics and science came out of philosophy, so that is what you must teach your children! Teach them good philosophy and maths/science will reveal themselves and you can go from there. I think that teaching children what they can do with maths/science is good and necessary, but to many it will remain a pile of magical symbols and rituals instead of a beautiful language and investigation of reality. You need to give them the why, before the what. As for how to do that with an English curriculum well I'll leave that determination to others.

  11. LIVING the maths and physics :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Math is in a similar situation: they have time to learn a concept and practice, but not to linger on possibilities.

    I wonder if the time one has - or rather the time one finds to linger on possibilities is not bound to their motivation in exploring the subject. I for one remember having done that two times, once in 9th grade (internal composition laws) and in 10th grade (2x2 matrices). Being eager to explore that really new world to me, I was writing pages and pages of exercices without anybody asking me to, just for the fun. As far as I remember, I missed deliberately "The Flintstones" once on TV because - though I loved this cartoon - I did not want to abandon the exercise I was in.

    Therefore, I have two questions for the readers of Slashdot: which books / shows / movies caused a curiosity towards these subjects when you were young, and what suggestions do you have for incorporating these subjects into writing?

    Books like Gamow's "Mr Tompkins" (not the recently revised vesion) and "One, two, three... infinity" aroused also my curiosity on the subject. Also, some exercises like : "You have a 10m statue on a 30m column. At which distance should you stand from the column's foot in order to see the statue with the widest possible angle ?" reminded me from time to time how maths could be a form of "super-power", allowing to do what would be either impossible or very tedious without them (well, incidentally, I chose an engineering career because of that).

    Today's books on physics by Colin Bruce seem quite challenging too, but lack the technical appendixes that would be needed by those who want to go beyond the anedotic side of things to venture a little in calculus.

    Finally, the is an SF novel by Normam Kagan called "The Mathenauts" which describes students exploring a mathematical space, and which is a quite accurate desciption of the feelings you have when you are doing it.

    Just my two cents. Hope it can help...

  12. Biographies of scientists and mathematicians... by regularstranger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reading about the life of a certain scientist or mathematician was important for me. Knowing that those kind of people exist (all I knew was sports prior to my discovering mathematics, astronomy, and physics), and knowing about their work made me want to know more. Make a list of scientists and mathematicians. Assign each student to one, and have them read a biography about that person. Have them choose a writing topic, and then have them give an in-class presentation so that they can share information about the scientists and mathematicians to the rest of the class. You should have no trouble filling out a list. The ones I read about when I was young included Marie Curie, Einstein, Fermi, Newton, Euler, Gauss, and Bohr.

  13. A noble quest ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm an electrical engineer who's been in industry for 30 years (you can figure out how old I am). In addition, I was about 6 years old when I determined that I wanted to be an engineer. With that as a bit of background, I'll try to answer your questions...

    What books/shows/movies influenced me...

    Books:

        The "Alvin Fernald" books - about the boy inventor

        Popular Mechanics - how stuff works

        Popular Science - sort of like Pop Mech, but substantially more cerebral

    Shows:

        Nova - this was "after the fact" but still kept my brain a chunkin

    Movies:

        James Bond, Matt Helm, Our Man Flint - aside from the other aspects, the gadgets were fascinating

    And although you didn't specifically ask about it... for those that grew up in 60's, there was also NASA and the space program. Even if I didn't want to be an astronaut, you still spent a lot of time thinking about how those machines worked (and oggled a bit over those shots of mission control on TV).

    To address the second part of your question, how to incorporate this into writing... hmmm....

        This is going to be something that's more difficult to approach. First, English is NOT a precise language. Mathematical formula, chemical equations, etc., are precious. At the same time written language is always a bit more ambiguous. I'm not saying that its not important (it is), but rather, you can't simply apply it everywhere.

        In particular, you need to use spoken/written language to convey your thoughts and ideas, however at the same time it is usually imperative that some of these thoughts be conveyed using other notation (e.g., mathematical equations, chemical formulae, etc.).

        I think, what you want to instill in your students is that this can be fun. When I was in college we had to take "Technical Writing" during our senior year as a degree requirement. The instructor I had was GREAT (I wish I could remember his name). The thing that made him great was that he taught by teaching you the "mechanics" of how to do something (i.e., he didn't dwell on stuff like grammar, etc.). That's not to say that this didn't come through, but rather that the delivery method was geared towards engineers. It was fun! And nearly everyone in the class LOOKED FORWARD to the next class.

        I wish you much success and I hope this helps!

  14. Flatland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions is an 1884 novella by Edwin Abbott Abbott, still popular among mathematics and computer science students, and considered useful reading for people studying topics such as the concept of other dimensions. As a piece of literature, Flatland is respected for its satire on the social hierarchy of Victorian society.

  15. Technical Writing by tiny69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I didn't like to read until I got into D&D. It's kind of hard to avoid reading when you have a Players Handbook, Dungeon Masters Guide, Monster Guide, the adventure itself, etc. So, find out what the kids are interested in and get them to write about that.

    For science and math, focus on technical writing. English was viewed as "creative" writing when I was in school. There is not much to be creative about when it comes to writing about science and math. Unless things have changed, technical writing isn't covered until college, and that's only if you take a technical writing class. So if you want to help those interested in math and science with writing, try focusing on technical writing (even though that may seem dry for someone who teaches english).

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  16. Things that inspired me toward math and science. by Beefpatrol · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For me, fiction wasn't particularly inspirational. I was mostly intrigued by the automation power of computers. Since computers automate that which, at the lowest level, is mathematics, I was naturally inclined to attempt to learn mathematical techniques for tackling problems because I could then devise a machine that would tackle those problems for me with great speed and proficiency. So essentially, it was the computers themselves and their capabilities that inspired my interest in maths. Science was also fundamentally attractive to me because it presented a way to discover truth with little foreknowledge. And since it involved a methodology, it could also be automated to a substantial degree. Of course, the "wow" factor of things like fighter planes, nuclear warheads, solar cells: ("look! it does work for free!"), and postage stamp sized ICs with bajillions of internal components also contributed to my interest in science. I eventually got a BS in physics and I am currently working on the core BS requirements for a CS degree in pursuance of CS graduate school, so one could say that my interest in these subjecs is significant.

    To answer your question more specifically, even though I can't stand to watch it now, Star Trek:TNG offered a look at a possible future society that was attractive to me. I suppose the general benevolence of the characters and the "mission" combined with the reverence the characters showed toward those who were knowledgable and proficient made me think that a future that transcends the usual social, economic, and political BS that our society is riddled with might be possible. I think I had a more indulgent imagination back then.

  17. Some more thoughts by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A few books (apart from the Asimov, Clark etc SF that has already been mentioned.

        Surely You're Joking Mr Fenyman
        The Man with No Endorphins

      Although technologically quite dated, the SF novels by Fred Hoyle.

      I don't know if the transcripts or videos are available in the USA but the UK) Royal Institution Christmas Lectures are great vehicles for stimulating a child's interest in Science and Engineering.
    They try to pose the 'What if?' question.

    However much of the writing I have to do as part of my work is 'dry, technical and totally uninspiring'. (Reports, Specifications etc)

    Get your children to express their imagination and be creative in their writing. SF (classical SF anyway) with a sold basis in Science and Fact can be a good platform to get kids to let their imagination run riot.
    Why not let them have a go at writing a screenplay for a Dr Who episode? or something similar?

    I think back in total horror at the 500 word English essays I had to write in School. As I am dyslexic these were a real bind. There was no stimulation of though or any need to be creative. One time I let my imagination run riot and instead of 500 words, I produced over 5000. IT was a proper story with a beginning, middle and end. I thought it was brilliant. I got an 'F' for my efforts (it was not 500 words approx) but won the School prize for best story of the year.

    I write stories even today. Mainly they are for my (and my grandkids) enjoyment. They are what can only be classed as in the Classic SF genre. I do it for relaxation and fun. I also write everything in Longhand first.

    Good Luck in your quest

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  18. Rhetoric by crumplez · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All I remember about my 8th-12th grade english classes were the hours wasted analyzing rhetoric. As soon as I stepped foot in college, I took classes on technical communication, writing research papers, etc. In other words, learning to write without ambiguity. Without rhetoric. If you want to do a service to science and math, encourage writing assignments with tangibles and applicability. Give assignments like writing useful instruction sets, targeting audiences (this is a big one) and targeting different cultures. There is zero value in analyzing Shakespeare. None.

  19. Some recommendations by davecl · · Score: 2, Informative

    Science fiction in general is good, but there are some very good non-fiction books out there as well. Suggestions, possibly for a somewhat older age group, would be:

    Godel, Escher, Bach - Douglas Hofstadter

    The Dancing Wu Li Masters - Gary Zukav

    The Tao of Physics - Fritjof Kapra

    The First Three Minutes - Steve Weinburg

  20. This culture is fucked by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here in the States, Smart = Uncool.

    Been that way for a long time. There's the occasional aknowledgment of scholarship, but look at the schools. Great athletes are paraded about like gods. Great scholars get a Printshop certificate. It's a tired old complaint, but nothing ever gets done about it. Our pro sports teams have become high paid clubs for thugs, and still no one cares.

    I mean, like, dog fights? A guy makes it huge and becomes a millionaire and is staging asswiping dog fights? He doesn't need to be put in jail, he need to be put to sleep and have his brain srudied by science so we figure out the fuck happened in there.

    I still remember the time I was at a gym and overheard a guy complaining how his ex-wife was raising hid son. "Fuck, she probably has him coming home with straight-A's some stupid shit!", he said. I've seen this stuff over and over. Even the parents thing smart = bad because it's how THEY were raised. It's a generation that thinks it's perfectly OK for a 50 year old to be a bagger at the supermarket.

    So you see, this is why I laugh when laws get passed that fuck over the population.

    Whatever. We'll all be wiped out soon by nuclear holy war or an asteroid or giant bees, so what matter?

    1. Re:This culture is fucked by bradcb212 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My cousin was a college football player and a damn good one. I don't want to name names but he's played in NFL Europa and although his chances of getting in the NFL currently are slim it's not a reflection of his abilities.

      He has worked his ASS off all his life to get as far as he has. He's damn good and his records are evident of that. Unfortunately, the pro-team that picked him already has a good player in his position and it looks as though his chances of making it pro are slim. Perhaps he'll get lucky, my thoughts and hopes are certainly with him...

      In your message you state that sports pros are thugs (it seems you're especially picking on football)... I'd say you've watched too many movies. You should realize that calling them thugs is in itself a reflection of our cultural understanding of football (or any inherently violent sport) players. Though there may be some bad eggs amongst them, they are not all Michael Vicks...

      Sports = entertainment... These people risk their health every time they step onto the field. They turn a simple game into an amazing demonstration of athleticism. You seem to be blaming society itself for elevating such things to a high standing, but I challenge you to sit and watch people playing scrabble, chess, or any other mindgame for hours at a time...

      For the record, I don't disagree with your "smart = uncool" argument... I just think calling them thugs is an unfair stereotype, in the same way that it's unfair to assume you're "uncool" just because you're into science or math.

  21. Why? by kamapuaa · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I went to college in English and computers, I have a job which involves writing and computers.

    And I absolutely disagree with the precepts your question. As an English teacher, you should be doing your best to teaching the English language, and an appreciation of the English canon. It's almost like you're sabotaging your own field, and hope to stress other subjects! The sciences already receive far more government spending and grants than the arts; anyway it's not your place to correct perceived imbalances.

    Plenty of nerds here will advise you to read Heinlen or some shit. But the prose of science fiction (or really, of any genre fiction) is for shit and the metaphors shallow, and really don't add anything to being a well-rounded, broadly-educated youth. They're the literary equivalent of watching "the Matrix" and "Independence Day" in a marathon session, with no real depth or artistic value. Furthermore, the sort of people who would get anything out of science-fiction are the sort of people who would read it anyway.

    I think people have too little appreciation for culture, here in China my friends (many in the Computer field) can rattle off 8th century poetry, and have a much deeper appreciation of history and culture. How many Americans can quote even a single poem? Honestly I think it's terrible that an English teacher has so little regard for their own subject. If you were the teacher of my child I would demand them being transferred out, and I strongly believe you're in the wrong field.

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    1. Re:Why? by jim_deane · · Score: 2, Insightful


      I think you significantly misinterpret the poster's intention.

      There is a great push to integrate cross-curricular activities to strengthen the connections between the various academic subjects.

      The purpose is to strengthen the teaching of each of the subjects, not to weaken the teaching of one in favor of another.

      You also seem to be confusing the teaching of literature with the teaching of composition. Composition cannot stand alone--students must write about SOMETHING. If, in choosing the topics about which the students write, a teacher chooses topics to promote academic interest in another core area, where is the harm?

  22. Issac Asimov by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Issac Asimov wrote almost as many Science books as Science Fiction. Among the best are "Asimov on Chemistry" and "Asimov and the realm of Algebra". The 2nd is so good that paperback versions sometimes sell for > $50 on eBay. (It's out of print) I read it in 8th grade at the beginning of Algebra class and sailed through the rest of the year.

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    1. Re:Issac Asimov by aunchaki · · Score: 2

      I found one of Asimov's books on chemistry called The Noble Gases in my high school library and was amazed. As I recall, it tells the story of the creation of the Periodic Table. It was well-written and engrossing.

      Also, I still love Heinlein's juvenalia -- his early work written for teenage boys. Rocket Ship Galileo, Tunnel in the Sky, Time for the Stars, Have Spacesuit Will Travel, Space Cadet, Starman Jones, etc... They all deal with teenage boys who think it perfectly reasonable to study tensor calculus in high school. It's as natural as Mom and apple pie!

  23. Donald in Mathmagic Land by slffea · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the greatest movies on mathematics ever. A Disney masterpiece that transcends all grades to show how very complex math concepts appear everywhere around us.

    Everyone should check Donald in Mathmagic Land out. It's one of the best movies I ever saw in grade school and I still remember it to this day.

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  24. Re:Science Fiction - FANTASIA MATHEMATICA by anon+coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I loved this in high school. Still a great read.

    FANTASIA MATHEMATICA :: Clifton Fadiman (editor)

    Partial selections from Contents:

            * "Young Archimedes" by Aldous Huxley
            * "Peter Learns Arithmetic" by H.G. Wells
            * "Socrates and the Slave" by Plato
            * "The Devil and Simon Flagg" by Arthur Porges
            * "--And he Built a Crooked House" by Robert A. Heinlein
            * "No-sided Professor" by Martin Gardner
            * "Superiority" by Arthur C. Clarke
            * "The Captured Cross-Section" by Miles J. Breuer, M.D.
            * "A. Botts and the Moebius Strip" by William Hazlett Upson
            * "The Tachypomp" by Edward Page Mitchell
            * The Island of Five Colors" by Martin Gardner
            * "A Subway Named Moebius" by A. J. Deutsch
            * "The Universal Library" by Kur Lasswitz
            * "Postscript to `The Universal Library'" by Willy Ley

  25. Jurassic Park by garett_spencley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It might sound a little corny but Jurassic Park actually created my interest in science-fiction, computer programming and science in general. I saw the movie first and besides being an entertaining thriller with some cool special effects it had no effect on me at all.

    Then I read the book a couple of years later. I was around 13 or 14 and sick at home for a couple days. I read through it very quickly and I just remember how despite being a nut, Ian Malcolm was the one character who seemed to have a down-to-earth and realistic point of view on the whole situation. I also remember how cool it was that Crichton gave actual examples of computer code to support the story. It sparked my interest in computers and programming and logical, scientific thought in general.

    Afterwards I convinced my grandmother to help me buy a computer and I spent the next few years going from pothead rocker to nerd teaching myself how to program the best I could.

    Without having read that book my life would have turned out quite differently.

    If you're trying to appeal to the average kid who watches far more movies than they do reading books, why not use something from pop-culture that was made into a successful movie ? Like most books vs. movies the two are rather different and so it would be difficult to impossible for one of the students to do any kind of report or test based on the movie.

    It also has the advantage of demonstrating how powerful science can be. It's science fiction but it does a good job of coming off as plausible (if not then no one would have asked afterwards "could we do that?", even if the answer is "no because we haven't found such DNA still in tact"[1]) and it also goes to show how "cool" science can be. It deals with computers, biology, science fiction and logical thought and even touches on scientific ethics every once in a while. Over all it's a very entertaining book that most young people should enjoy reading while also doing a good job of advertising what science and math has to offer.

    [1] Yes I realize there's several other reasons that it's still fiction, as well.

  26. Analysis: common ground for math and English by anonymous_echidna · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree, books etc. won't do it. What I would love to see in English classes is a notion that mathematically-inclined people almost take for granted: that contradictions highlight a weakness in the argument, somewhere.

    In the quest for producing essays that are "balanced", the students are encouraged to think that holding simultaneously mutually exclusive points of view is desirable. This, of course, is not true. If you can, try to get the students to see the different assumptions that lead to the different perspectives. This type of analysis will be invaluable in all subjects.

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  27. Martin Gardner and Ian Stewart by mahlerfan999 · · Score: 2

    For math books I personally was inspired by and really enjoyed the Mathematical Recreations books by Martin Gardner and Ian Stewart. They really made math fun. To explore the creative fun aspect of science, I think reading and writing is not the key for children. What I really liked was those 1000 in 1 electronic kits. When you can make a radio and hear yourself on the radio, it's really cool! So those are the things that I enjoyed when I was a kid.

  28. Science Fact by Hatta · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why science fiction, why not science fact? How about a book like "One, Two, Three... Infinity" by George Gamow? Or anything written by Martin Gardner? How about Innumeracy by John Allen Paulos? Or Max Born wrote a book, "Einstein's Theory of Relativity", which explains relativity in great detail with nothing more than pre-algebra. Or for the computer nerds, the obligatory recommendation is "Godel Escher Bach, an Eternal Golden Braid" by Douglas Hofstadter.

    I have never understood the point of fiction, except as pure entertainment. Non-fiction is where the good stuff is. If it really has to be fiction, try Flatland by Edwin Abbott.

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  29. Mentors Plus books! by olafva · · Score: 3, Informative
    NASA has a related goal of stimulating interest in Science and Engineering. I recall briefings with data showing it was very unlikely for someone to enter studies and careers in "hard" sciences or engineering without a mentor they respected in such a career. Students are unlikely to pursue such a career "by accident" as it takes careful planning (prerequisites), curiosity, persistence and a passion and thirst for knowledge. For me it was my clever MIT EE trained uncle who enjoyed demonstrating explaining and asking fundamental and challenging questions at our lake cabin.

    Since studies showed how critical mentors were, NASA supports numerous programs where we mentored students ranging from annual Engineers Week where we visited classrooms at all grade levels, explaing how "cool" science and engineering concepts are and how great such careers are. Often this became the first time students had been exposed to a scientist or engineer and provided a connection with science and engineering that can be followed up on. I was also involved in mentoring dozens of high-school and college students on challenging problems making textbook learning alive - including sunmer or year-long mentorships.

    I'd encourage my students to get "hooked on" Feynman, Faraday (who turned on Edison) or others. who had a gift of explaning complex concepts of how our world works in a simple and intriguing fashion, like "unraveling an onion". For Example, Feynman's:

    1. Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! (Adventures of a Curious Character) (Paperback)
    2. What Do You Care What Other People Think?: Further Adventures of a Curious Character (Paperback)
    3. Classic Feynman: All the Adventures of a Curious Character

    Although books alone are NOT the answer, books, such as Feynman's, can go a long way in turning on our young people to science and engineering. Good luck on your worthy but formidable challenge so critical to our future.

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  30. Science and Math are important, but... by Grahad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While there is a lot of hype about increasing the level of Sci & Math education, I do have reservations. A lot of this hype is just propaganda resulting from corporate lobbying. If there is a shortage, it is because of economics and not education. I see way to many PhD's running community colleges making practically nothing. Its absurd to expect people to rally to a profession that is more demanding and less rewarding than almost any other. How many tenure positions are open vs qualified applicants? I would guess the ratio is at least 50 to 1. Scientist are not only required to get a PhD, but also have to have significant post Doc at almost no pay to be even considered. Scientist do not get to study the fundamentals of the universe, but have to fight tooth and nail for limited funding for earmarked corporate research. Corporations artificially up qualifications for scientist and engineers, although there are plenty available because they need to ensure enough H-1B visa's are allowed to ensure low cost research. As technology streamlines and consolidates, there is less demand per capita of needed high skill workers. We are pushing all these kids to go into an economy where they are just going to be frustrated. I absolutely love science and math, but we are taking it to far. The government and cooperations do not emphasize social studies because the more the general populace knows about history, economics, and science combined, the harder they are to manipulate. Science and math alone are just great money makers. Its a great idea to incorporate other subjects into English classes, but over emphasizing any one subject is unbalanced and harmful.

  31. Apollo, Star Trek, Scientific American by Brett+Johnson · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There are a few things that I remember from my childhood:
    • Apollo When I was a kid, the Apollo Project was an incredible motivator of young people to develop an interest in science and math. These were my nerd heros before the word "nerd" was common. As a national mission, the Apollo Project probably had a far greater impact on the education of our young than the No Child Left Behind Program ever will.
    • Star Trek (TOS and TNG). Probably a direct result of my interest in space travel from the Apollo Program, but Roddenberry's positive vision of the future made me want to make it happen. The influence of these shows on two generations of nerds and engineers is visible everywhere.
    • Mr. Dighton My 7th grade math teacher. I was bored - so very bored with school. I hated it - every minute - for years. Up until about 1/3 of the way through the seventh grade. My math teacher recognized the symptoms. He sat me down one day for a talk. I don't remember the exact conversation, but he convinced me that education was a privilege, not a prison sentence*. He started giving me more challenging assignments, going way outside of the curriculum. I eventually exhausted the math program at my local school system and spent two years of high school taking math and science classes at LSU - for free (well on my parents' taxpayer dime). I am the only member of my immediate family to graduate from university. Today, teachers get reprimanded, even fired, for teaching outside of the approved curriculum or treating gifted students any differently than they teach, uh, un-gifted students. One great teacher can an incredible impact on a child. I was fortunate - I had at least 3 outstanding teachers in my primary and secondary education. That is probably 2 more that your typical kid gets.
    • Scientific American In the 8th or 9th grade, I had a Marine Biology teacher with a box of Scientific American articles covering a wide variety of subjects. We were to read one article weekly, then write up a 1 page summary, with comments on the scientific methods used. She told us that, at first, we were not likely to understand anything about what we were reading; but she wanted to introduce us to science writing for peer-reviewed journals, scientific analysis and presentation. [Remember that Scientific American in the 70's was not nearly as fluffy as it is today.] Martin Gardner's monthly column probably influenced my interest in Mathematics. I still read SA to this day. Come to think of it, the mere fact that we had a marine bio class in my middle school still amazes me; considering the uniform, least-common-denominator, curriculum in our current schools. Like, Mr Dighton, this teacher (whose name I unfortunately don't remember) taught me two of my fundamentals of education*.
    • Robert Heinlein Again, Heinlein's mostly positive view of the future made me want to make it happen. He taught me that nerds (and particularly, female nerds) rule. He also gave me my smart-ass attitude and complete lack of respect for authority figures.
    • Isaac Asimov's Non-fiction I enjoyed reading Asimov's non-fiction much more than reading his fiction. His popularization of math and science histories made me truly appreciate the concept of standing on the shoulders of giants. His timelines of scientific progress show just how incremental and cumulative the process is, and made me mourn the loss of histories' great libraries and universities through religious extremism and fascism, resulting a the loss of great swaths of that accumulated knowledge.
    • Robert Rimmer's The Harrad Experiment [The book, not the movie.] Porn disguised as science. This book probably had more impact on my attitudes about sex and sexuality than anything the church, school, and maybe even my parents tried to impress upon me. I'm not saying that the end result was a great thing, just the power that a single book can have in shaping a
  32. Joning Science and Writing by Descalzo · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you just want a neat writing activity involving writing and any subject at all (I've seen it done in geography and science, and I used it myself in an art/social studies lesson), you might want to try a GRASPS activity. Here is a page that describes how to think up a GRASPS activity. I learned it from a guy who uses these activities as performance assessments in 8th grade Geography. I'm going to try to incorporate one into a math activity this year. If you need suggestions, or if that link isn't very helpful, let me know.

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