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A Brief History of Slashdot Part 1, Chips & Dips

As part of our 10 year anniversary celebration, I've decided to post a story here telling the tale of the transition from Chips & Dips to Slashdot back in 1997. For those of you who are new here (cough), CnD was the precursor to Slashdot, hosted on my personal homepage on the CompSci cluster of Hope College. Along with a number of random Linux related webpages, themes for window managers, random bits of code I wrote, this page was read by a great number of folks, mostly from the IRC scene. Hit the link below to read the tale of its transformation into an Internet superstar (and maybe later I'll write the the sequel where I talk of the transformation into sellout mega corporate evil and eventually irrelevant blemish on the history of the net ;) And don't forget to check for a Slashdot 10 year anniversary party in your area.

In the summer of 1997 I was contacted by a stranger out of the blue with a kind of random offer. During the previous school year Nate Oostendorp (who now works with SourceForge, Inc. while working on his Masters) had coded a Space Invaders clone. He wrote a Java sprite library, and I wrote the game and illustrated the alien armada. This guy had an old DEC Alpha Multia 166, and a client that wanted to remake the game with popcorn instead of aliens. So I drew the popcorn up, replaced the gifs, and he mailed me my first non x86 box since the 286 I got in middle school. (Later Sun sent me legal threats forcing me to take the game offline since it was called Java Invaders, and clearly this was an evil crime against the universe. My hatred for Java has never died since that moment.)

I immediately installed Red Hat on it. I was working at an ad agency called The Image Group at the time as a webmaster. I coded whatever needed doing and handled various admin tasks to keep their clients happy. At the time they needed full control over email addresses on the domains they built. Since they shared their mailserver with their ISP, there were frequent name collisions -- if the client wanted bob@theirdomain.com but there already was a bob on the system, they couldn't do it. They agreed to let me move my little Alpha onto their network to host their email... and I could use it to fart around with on my personal hobbies.

I named the box Ariel. It sat under my desk. I learned enough Perl to write a stupid simple CMS to replace the functionality of Chips & Dips, which up until that point was just a text file. Dave DeMaagd wrote a simple comment system. Since we both had a long history with BBSes, it seemed obvious to us that there needed to be a discussion system. There were no user accounts -- you entered whatever name you wanted each time you posted. If you left it blank, it auto-filled the space with the name 'Anonymous Coward', a title that stuck and spread throughout the net.

The original system was written in Perl because I wanted to learn more Perl. All the data storage was flat text files. (We lost most of the original stories during a data import a year or so later) The files were named like 0000001.shtml and so forth and were all rendered at time of page request. Best of all, since the system was written as a CGI, the whole script needed to be compiled every time there was a page request. It was months before I ported the whole thing to use MySQL and mod_Perl.

I registered the domain name Slashdot.org as a joke. It was 'org' because I didn't want a .com -- those were so common. I always thought org would be cooler, and besides, I had no commercial plans in mind. (Years later this bit me on the ass since someone else registered the .com. Doh!) The URL was meant to be unpronounceable by anyone -- a joke ultimately that has backfired on me countless times when I'm called and asked what the URL is to the damn thing. Jeff 'Hemos' Bates (now a VP of something or other with SourceForge, Inc.) was in the living room when I was registering the domain name. We all wanted email addresses with a unique domain name that wasn't attached to our school, so he chipped in on the registration fee.

When it came time to design the website's look, I took elements from a theme we had designed at The Image Group -- Paul Hart and I spent hours on it -- that was supposed to be the new website for the company, but it was passed on for another look. I still liked it, so I redesigned it more to my personal aesthetics (choosing #006666 as the dominant green replacing an earth tone green) and putting drop shadows all over everything (a habit I still haven't broken, and for which I am still mocked). Within days, most of the design elements you see on Slashdot were in place... the curves, the greens, the polls, the vertical list of stories so common in 2007, and, of course, discussions on each story.

And Slashdot was born. At first it had just a few thousand daily readers migrating over from Chips & Dips, but in a matter of weeks it had grown so fast that we started really having fun with it. One night we put up a poll asking how many shots Kurt 'The Pope' DeMaagd should drink. (Kurt later became our defacto HR man when we formed Blockstackers... today he is a professor at MSU.) But that night, Slashdot readers told him to take a dozen shots of alcohol -- he failed, but he tried.

I remember around the same time just watching 'tail -f' on the access_log. My world was rocked over and over again as I watched the domain names... mit.com! ibm.com! redhat.com! Hell, even microsoft.com kept scrolling through the log. I knew we had something... people from around the world, from the highest institutions in the land, from the biggest companies in the tech sector and to the most influential in the Linux world were all reading Slashdot. In fact, they were posting comments... as were a lot of people. It became commonplace to see hundreds of comments on stories, and the so-called 'Slashdot Effect' slowly grew into our lexicon as site after site buckled under our links.

In those days the content was a lot more personal then it is today. Stories would frequently refer to alcohol-related activities. I'd constantly mention that I had to leave to go to class so there wouldn't be more stories posted for a few hours. And when a professor in my pottery class assigned homework of to mass produce and sell some pottery as a lesson in being a commercial artist, I posted it, and ended up getting over 100 requests to buy my shitty mugs (all glazed teal ;) In the end I never did sell them -- I fulfilled the assignment locally. I think I still have one of those mugs left but I'm not sure- over the years my mediocre ceramics have been filtered out of a home increasingly tastefully decorated by my wife.

I continued to go to class and work my part time job. Ariel soon had loads so great that the machine was unusable during the day. And occasionally I would accidentally kick it and knock out a cable, bringing the machine offline. Soon after it saturated the office T1, I started realizing that there was no way I was going to be able to do this as "Just" a hobby. Essentially, every second of my life was consumed without time for a break. I'd go to class -- and often just work on Slashdot in the back row. (This was the first year we had computers at our desks in the CS dept at Hope.) My classwork suffered. On the upside, I became far more proficient at webwork, which really helped the part time job. I'd go home and code, post stories, reply to email until 2-3 a.m. and repeat it the next day. It was going to eventually be a full time job, requiring revenue and infrastructure that didn't exist back then. But I guess that's another story.

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  1. I was there by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    'Cause CnD was a top-hit on AltaVista for "WindowMaker" and "Enlightenment".

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
    1. Re:I was there by runenfool · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How can you even remember that long ago? I haven't the slighted recollection on how I ended up at slashdot ... funny Im here ten years later :)

      Strangely enough I think the fact that it was a weird name (with no www, nonetheless) that kept me here ... made it easier to remember. The good ole days of working phone tech support, making no money, but surfing the web and sitting on slashdot all day ...

    2. Re:I was there by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Funny

      Back in the day, I was TERRIFIED that I wouldn't get my name in a site registry, or a webmail system. The Internet was small enough you could register almost everywhere "important".

      I'm 167 on Technocrat.net. Same disease. :-)

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    3. Re:I was there by Corwn+of+Amber · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, Enlightenment DR16 is very stable and mature now (as it better be), and .17 should be out of pre-alpha by the time Duke Nukem Forever runs on Linux.

      --
      Making laws based on opinions that stem up from false informations leads to witch hunts.
    4. Re:I was there by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 4, Funny

      In those days, xkill was in my dock!

      Remember Netscape 4.x? xkill was in EVERYBODY'S dock, and it got used daily.

      --
      0 1 - just my two bits
    5. Re:I was there by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hourly... ;-)

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    6. Re:I was there by Wheely · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well over a thousand I should think.

    7. Re:I was there by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I always find the UID discussion funny. Most people with UID's in the 2-4 digit range started reading slashdot early enough to remember there weren't any at the start. I personally only signed up for a named account after the atrocity that was John Katz when they added the feature to block certain authors.

      --
      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
    8. Re:I was there by raju1kabir · · Score: 2, Funny

      At the beginning I didn't see any point to an account. I never created an account until I needed to change the preferences. I bet thats true of a lot of the 200K people.

      I think so too. By rights, all 300K of us should have 3-digit UIDs.

      --
      "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
    9. Re:I was there by Sanat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Still here too. I imagine there are lots of old timers who read and lurk here rather than posting all that much. Seems that what i have to say any more is less important even to me, so instead I enjoy the insight and the varied positions of the various posters on Slashdot.

      --
      And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make
  2. Mmm, Enlightenment by Ed+Avis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, Slashdot had some strange preoccupations in the early(*) days... every other story seemed to be about a new development release of Enlightenment (and a bit later some cheesy themes.org upload) or the 2.1 Linux kernel.

    Wait a sec - I think I probably prefer that to the speculation and corporate soap opera / press releases that clog up the front page these days.

    (*) Not that early. I started reading when Netscape announced their plans to free their web browser.

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    -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
    1. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by Mandrake · · Score: 4, Informative

      Rob actually was a semi-frequent contributor to enlightenment for a while, in fact he wrote a lot of the code for snapshot pager back in 0.8/0.9...

      --
      Geoff "Mandrake" Harrison
      Some Random UI Hacker
    2. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by CmdrTaco · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude, I *invented* it. You guys told me it couldn't be done. Of course, you were right- the performance sucked, but it looked awesome.

      --
      Pants are still optional, but recommended for you.
    3. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by CmdrTaco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It was called ePlus. At first I just themeified asclock and released it for E. Before that I had written a CD switcher applet for the AfterStep dock, as well as a volume controller. Later I merged the clock, volume controls, and a few other things into a fully themable suite of little widgets for Enlightenment. Good times.

      --
      Pants are still optional, but recommended for you.
    4. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by rk · · Score: 5, Funny

      It just occurred to me that 10 years in grade is long enough. Shouldn't you be CaptTaco by now? ;-)

    5. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by grappler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I read for a long time before getting a uid. I'm always very reluctant to actually sign up for a site. Yet another username/password to keep track of. Cost me a lot of bragging points I suppose.

      I first found the open source world when, as a 16 year old, I searched for "hacking" and instead of tips on unlocking software and spreading 'warez', I found myself reading an essay by Eric Raymond on what it means to be a 'real hacker'.

      From there I decided to build my own Linux box and started following Linux weekly news for updates (I needed support for my graphics card to come out, so I followed every update). Many of their stories linked to Slashdot stories, so that's how I found /. That was either 1997 or 1998.

      --
      Vidi, Vici, Veni
    6. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by Mandrake · · Score: 4, Funny

      it did in fact look awesome :) We always tried to come up with ways to make the performance run a little better. And you have to admit I did spend a lot of time cleaning it up where it didn't crash anymore ;)

      --
      Geoff "Mandrake" Harrison
      Some Random UI Hacker
    7. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by Mandrake · · Score: 4, Interesting

      eplus was actually the precursor to the whole 'epplet' / etc stuff that we started working on around 0.15/0.16 - and the reason that we wanted to make stuff like that work. I know I ran ePlus for ages after it was 'unsupported' by you hacking various fixes for using updated versions of stuff like imlib

      --
      Geoff "Mandrake" Harrison
      Some Random UI Hacker
    8. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by NickFitz · · Score: 2, Informative
      --
      Using HTML in email is like putting sound effects on your phone calls. Just say <strong>no</strong>.
    9. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by Hank+Scorpio · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's nothing... I actually remember Chips & Dips, before Slashdot existed. But, like many old-timers I guess, I am also very reluctant to register for a web site unless I absolutely have to. And, I post very rarely. So, by the time I actually got around to registering I ended up with a 6-digit uid even though I've been around from the very beginning.

      Haha, so I guess this is a new twist on the classic low-uid pissing match ... the I've-been-around-longer-but-with-a-higher-uid pissing match. Awesome.

    10. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by moderatorrater · · Score: 2, Funny

      But to change his name, he'd need access to the database.

    11. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by markov_chain · · Score: 2, Funny

      Uh, do you remember the passwords for those accounts and would you be willing to share :)

      --
      Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
    12. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      yeah it was the only way i could switch CDs in my little 4xCD switcher too. Loved that thing back in the day. Now I probably stick 10 CDs in my laptop a year. How things have changed :)

      --
      Pants are still optional, but recommended for you.
    13. Re:Mmm, Enlightenment by CmdrTaco · · Score: 2

      www.slashcode.com. Patches are always welcome.

      --
      Pants are still optional, but recommended for you.
  3. Low ID Roll call by Critical_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Low ID Roll call!!!

    I figured this was necessary to get all the old chaps from the CnD days out.

    Don't hold my high ID against me. I waited until the last minute to sign up for an account.

    1. Re:Low ID Roll call by MBCook · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I always love these little bits, although they usually spawn more organically.

      Really, I'd like to see a list of when various account IDs were created. I know I've been around for a long time (I think 6-7 years or so) but I really don't know. But if I knew when 10000 was created, 100000, 200000, 1000000, etc... I could estimate. Plus is would just be interesting to see.

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      Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
    2. Re:Low ID Roll call by AndersOSU · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait, so you read slashdot for the stories!?

      Man things really have changed.

    3. Re:Low ID Roll call by ShadowBlade · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I rarely ever post, but I've been reading /. since the beginning.

    4. Re:Low ID Roll call by Brian360 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, I found an old e-mail sent to me from slashdot back in 2000... I have no idea when my account was actually created though.

      Received: from mail.andover.net [64.28.67.55] (slashdot@slashdot.org); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:01:19 -0400
      X-Envelope-To: bweaver
      Received: from localhost (nobody@www4.slashdot.com [10.2.48.4])
              by mail.andover.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DI1UA08134
              for <bweaver@mailandnews.com>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:01:30 -0400
      Message-Id: <200007131801.e6DI1UA08134@mail.andover.net>
      Subject: Slashdot user password for Brian360
      Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
      Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
      Mime-version: 1.0
      To: bweaver@mailandnews.com
      From: slashdot@slashdot.org
      Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:01 +0000
      X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2DD70.CNM

      The user account 'Brian360' on Slashdot has this email
      associated with it. A web user from 208.3.12.32 has
      just requested that password be sent. It is 'YHr7MgVF'. You
      can change it after you login at <URL:http://slashdot.org/users.pl>.

      If you didn't ask for this, don't get your panties all in a knot.
      You are seeing this message, not "them". So if you can't be
      trusted with your own password, we might have an issue, otherwise,
      you can just disregard this message.

      --Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda
          malda@slashdot.org

    5. Re:Low ID Roll call by jareds · · Score: 2, Informative

      I registered on Oct 8, 1999 (I have the original registration e-mail, and this matches my recollection of registering as a college freshman), so that is presumably very nearly when 100000 registered.

    6. Re:Low ID Roll call by Jeff+Lightfoot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A few years back I had four offers of $100+ for my ID number. I'm glad I didn't take them. Some things you just can't replace.

    7. Re:Low ID Roll call by ximenes · · Score: 2, Funny

      The key is to reload early and often. I hope you've learned a valuable lesson.

    8. Re:Low ID Roll call by Vadim+Grinshpun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      :))
      I wasn't actually one of the CnD crowd, but was introduced to /. sometime during my freshman year in college ('97-'98). But I'll answer the roll-call anyway.

    9. Re:Low ID Roll call by tgd · · Score: 4, Funny

      I did, I've been clicking refresh every five minutes for ten years.

    10. Re:Low ID Roll call by TopSpin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not sure when I got my account, but I do know slashdot had user accounts for a while before I bothered signing up for one. They were available for at least a few months before I signed up. Same here. I might have to go dig up that enrollment email. Lost track of the account for years before it occurred to me that I had created it. I'll admit I was rather pleased to discover it was a sub-1000 id. I don't recall feeling any pressing need to get in early; I know I'd been lurking a while before I got around to it.

      Anyhow, Slashdot still rocks; it's one of three sites I check every morning. The other two having been fungible over the years.

      Many happy returns.

      --
      Lurking at the bottom of the gravity well, getting old
  4. Ahh, back in the day by Erich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before the signal-to-noise ratio was so low, before ads, before the need for accounts...

    It was a simpler, friendlier time.

    Sniff.

    --

    -- Erich

    Slashdot reader since 1997

  5. Awesome Story by noname4444 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As someone who only started reading Slashdot about 3 years ago, reading the history is extremely interesting. Thank you for posting this.

    I'm looking forward to the future Slashdot stories later this week!

  6. It just wouldn't be the same... by Wee · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...without the ACs. :-) I love it that there is always, somewhere, somebody who can find the time to shake their tiny fists in 'Net rage.

    -B

    --

    Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.

  7. Re:So leave, cunt. by Erich · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I believe that if you check my comment history, my comments have been consistently more informative than the average Anonymous Coward comment.

    I will grant to you that my reminiscing was perhaps not the most informative comment, however as a comment to a reminiscent article I don't feel it is out-of-place.

    If slashdot hid userids, I would not alter how I comment at all.

    Do you think your profanity-laden post counts as a contribution? Your complaints that people who have been here longer are respected -- have you considered that perhaps the people who have been visiting technology forums for ten years are perhaps the best-informed and most interested in technology?

    Maybe I'm not the stupid one. Certainly not stupid enough to get very upset about an Anonymous Coward. AC's have usually had little to contribute, even from the very beginning.

    --

    -- Erich

    Slashdot reader since 1997

  8. Thanks, Taco by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was actually hoping you'd start writing about /. especially since I wasn't around here back then at the beginning. Certainly do write more, either about the CnD transformation or just random stories that are somehow related to CnD or /.. It feels like there should be enough material for a small book, let alone a series of short articles.

    And, since I missed the original anniversary story, congratulations!

  9. Re:Oh, CONGRATULATIONS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's talk about how we accessed Slashdot on our Babbage Analytical Engines. Should make for a real interesting set of comments, I'm sure.


    Whoa, slow down there, George Jetson. When I first started reading Slashdot I had to send a telegraph to 'the server' to request a page. It would be sent by carrier pigeon. When it arrived I sent it to my crack team of designers who would 'interpret' the 'HTML codes' and then load the document into my printing press. If all went well and nobody was maimed, I'd have a fresh copy of Slashdot to read within a day of making my request.

    And leaving comments? Don't get me started!
  10. I remember when... by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember stumbling on Chips and Dips when I was looking through the Hope pages wondering what the department was doing. Seemed like a pretty interesting little project, so I've continued lurking and contributing when I could. I've really enjoyed the site, and can't thank Rob enough for all of the years of reading. It's still the site I use for my tech news, despite the Diggs, Reddits, and what-nots.

    Thanks again. Rob, for Slashdot back then, and may there be many many more years of Slashdot to come!

  11. Re:Crass self-promotion of a for-profit site. by bigcmoney · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm glad you wrote this Cmdr. I have loved this site since '00. I don't give a damn what anyone says, Slashdot is still one of the best tech aggregation sites on the net.

  12. Some Links of Historical Interest by Lev13than · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's the Wayback archive of Rob Malda's page at Hope College.

    From his About Me page: "In closing, I would just like to say that if you read this whole document, then you need more of a life than I need for typing it." Keep in mind that this is the same page that states he got into computers due to "A strong need to somehow construct a woman like those kids in Weird Science".

    --
    When you have nothing left to burn you must set yourself on fire
    1. Re:Some Links of Historical Interest by JavaRob · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here's the first link the wayback machine has to Slashdot itself, at the start of 1997.

      You should check some of the other versions as well... later on that year, /. was already pretty damned close to what it is today, visually at least.

      I personally signed up sometime around either the summer of '97 or '98, I think... possibly '98, or my UID would be lower?

    2. Re:Some Links of Historical Interest by cyphercell · · Score: 3, Funny

      /. was already pretty damned close to what it is today, visually at least.

      I don't know, about half those stories look like they were duped last week :P

      --
      Under the influence of Post-Cyberpunk Gonzo Journalism
    3. Re:Some Links of Historical Interest by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny
      Those stories are great, particularly the comment form at the end:

      Post Your Comments Here!

      If you don't have anything worthwhile to say, don't say it. If people continue to abuse this feature, I will have to remove it.
      Consider your bluff called, Mr. Taco.
  13. Time to turn the browsing level to exclude AC by mollog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the discussion has been interesting. It's informative to see how the more important sites on the 'net were started. There's a common theme; geeks doing it for the love and fun of it.

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    Best regards.
  14. Slashdot is 10 years old by RendonWI · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't get it, so what if it is 2 years old?

    1. Re:Slashdot is 10 years old by mdm-adph · · Score: 4, Funny

      After a year of reading /., I'm pleased to announce that the time it takes for me to "get" jokes like this has decreased by approximatively 30%.

      Thanks, everybody.

      --
      It is by my will alone my thoughts acquire motion; it is by the juice of the coffee bean that the thoughts acquire speed
    2. Re:Slashdot is 10 years old by unitron · · Score: 2, Funny

      After a year of reading /., I'm pleased to announce that the time it takes for me to "get" jokes like this has decreased by approximatively 30%.

      Don't you mean 11110 % ?

      --

      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  15. One of the 400 still anonymous, still moderating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Wow. *snap fingers* Ten years just like that.

    Way back in the first few days, /. was quite wild and fun and about half the posts were trolls, flamebaits, races to see who could get the first post, with a whole lot of personality mixed in. If Jon Katz (To all former Katz haters, I still think we did the site an immense service, especially around the time of the Columbine shootings.) were still here, I think he'd have a lot of very interesting things to say about the good this site has done.

    What was wilder still was that not too long after I first joined, the first attempts at moderation came into effect -- and for some reason they decided to let a sort of "down in the dumps at the time techie" who is a pretty good writer -- uh, that would be me -- be one of the few who started the moderation ball rolling. At the time if ya let someone know you were one of the moderators or abused the privilege --> poof no more moderation for you bucko!

    Within weeks /. rose out of the dregs to become a site I still participate in from time to time, that I am proud to call part of my daily web experience, and that has shaped quite a few important debates, from the DCMA to SCO and a lot of ground in between. And I got to play in their sandbox and try to make a little difference in the world along the way. [They even tell me I have excellent Karma. :-) ]

    I want to point at one more accomplishment over the last few yearsthat really deserves a standing ovation: on 9/11/2001, Slashdot was the only major news feed on the web that didn't crash due to overload, and this on technology and bandwidth that was way way WAY behind what we have now.


    So, anonymously from a long time /. reader: thanks Malda and crew. Here's to as many more years as you choose to be the king of the sandbox.

  16. www.slashdot.org by TechwoIf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When will http://slashdot.org/ come out of the dark ages and grow up to http://www.slashdot.org/ ? http://www.slashdot.org/ has been down for years. Could some of you early ones fill in on the story behind this strangeness?

    1. Re:www.slashdot.org by CmdrTaco · · Score: 5, Informative
      I can explain that... I have a philosophical problem with 'www'. 'www' is redundant... 'www' implies that this is a web site. Web sites communicate using the http protocol. So to have 'http' and 'www' in the same URL is redundant and needless. I used to refer to it as The Cursed WWW, or TCWWW. you don't need to say ftp://ftp.sitename.com because it's REDUNDANT. You're wasting letters and time dammit! So to this day I always try to redirect people from 'www' to the base domain name.

      Unfortunately this causes problems with domains & cookies. A cookie set by foo.domain.com is invisible to domain.com, so if you login while viewing 'games.slashdot.org' you aren't necessarily logged in to 'slashdot.org'. And this all really sucks because apparently advertisers seem to think that if it's not in the URL, it's not part of the content of the page. This context sensitive advertising thing is responsibile for an awful lot of stupid URLs that just make it harder to share information through meatspace.

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    2. Re:www.slashdot.org by gowen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're showing your youth now. In the days when raw computers were regularly attached to the internet, www.domain.com could be a DNS alias for whatever machine at domain.com (inevitably either frodo.domain.com or bilbo.domain.com) had been configured to have the NCSA web server on it. No-one would consider redirecting any port 80 traffic to a dedicated web server. Thus www.foo.com became the default, easy-to-remember name for "the webserver at foo.com".

      An nslookup on "domain.com" would frequently not even return a valid IP address -- and why should it, that's a domain not a machine, and domains got IP ranges, while individual IP addresses were allocated to machines.

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    3. Re:www.slashdot.org by jayhawk88 · · Score: 5, Funny

      So basically what you're saying is that even though it causes confusion and problems for your users and advertisers, you'll never change it because technically it is superfluous. If this isn't the heart and soul of a *nix user distilled into one post I'm not sure what is.

    4. Re:www.slashdot.org by AdamThor · · Score: 2, Funny

      So to have 'http' and 'www' in the same URL is redundant and needless.

      ah, I think I understand and comprehend.

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    5. Re:www.slashdot.org by archen · · Score: 2, Informative

      "In the days"? Heh, I still find all sorts of sites with broken DNS in this way. Typically these are mis configured IIS sites that display "no website configured at this address" or something similar. Add www and presto it works. In college I saw many people scratch their heads trying to get websites to work. Whenever I suggested they add or remove www they all thought I was crazy. Usually the problem was just a matter of lazy DNS setups.

    6. Re:www.slashdot.org by CmdrTaco · · Score: 4, Interesting

      yeah you can do .slashdot.org but back in the day (not sure if it's still true) some browsers would not let 'slashdot.org' get at a cookie saved to '.slashdot.org'. Cookies were a really shitty standard for a few years there.

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    7. Re:www.slashdot.org by CmdrTaco · · Score: 3, Funny
      according to advertisers, I should be using games.slashdot.org/games/games.html?games=games

      I'm only kinda exagerating ;)

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  17. Early Adoption by StormReaver · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't remember when (or how) I first came upon Slashdot, but it was in the early years. I used it for a long time before registering for an account, simply to rebel against what was then deemed to be an unacceptable invasion of privacy (I was quite paranoid back then). If I had known how horny the hot chicks got over low Slashdot IDs, I would have registered far earlier -sigh-.

  18. by Anonymous Coward (1) * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Back in the day, I was TERRIFIED that I wouldn't get my name in a site registry, or a webmail system. The Internet was small enough you could register almost everywhere "important".

    Yeah me, too. That's why I made sure I was the original Anonymous Coward at /.

    (In most other places, I'm the original Anonymous and IP Logged).

  19. As an old-timer .. by torpor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    .. I yearn for the days when I would get a personal message from Cmrd. Taco and the gang, just for posting something smart to their new website.

    Ah, those were the days. Before 'blogs' (what a horrid term), before 'wiki' (oh even worse...), before the push and the pull and the stagnation. Before hot grits. When you could check the site every *two days* or so, and not necessarily miss a story.

    Oh, slashdot, you are a tempestuous mistress, but how we love you well ..

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  20. The Future of /. by AdamThor · · Score: 2, Funny

    In the future, slashdot will have a flying car!
    In the future, slashdot will achieve sentience! AI researches predict this is less than 5 years away!
    In the future, androids will do all the work for the editors!
    As miniaturization continues, in the future slashdot will move to 8 pt. type!
    In a year and a half, slashdot will have twice as many transistors as it does now!
    In the future, slashdot will be ready for the desktop!

    etc... I'm sure you can come up with your own...

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  21. It's true by J4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back when I first came here one could read every comment from every story posted and still have spare time.

  22. this place was sorta intimidating at first by spamking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I first started checking /. out I felt a little out of place and it took a little time for me to register and post. But I'm glad I did. There's a ton of information floating around here and most of the members are helpful.

    Congrats on 10 years of service.

  23. And I finally registered... by Ted+Stevens · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...just hoping that someday 1166671 will be a low id.

  24. Re:I tried... by J4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did you ever notice how you never see Wil Wheaton and CmdrTaco in the same photograph?

  25. Same ol, same ol by Average · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't be the only sub-5-digit Slashdotter who still works in the same building, same floor (different office number) that I was ten years ago when I registered.

    I swear, I'll finish my thesis one of these days (grin)!

  26. the good ole days by boss_hog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't let my "high" ID fool you, I was also one of those who lurked on slashdot since the early days. I remember when the user accounts were started. Earlier in this discussion someone asked to gauge how long it took to hit certain milestones in slashdot uid #'s. I would say it was between 2 and 3 years before we hit 200k, based on how long I seem to remember reading slashdot before thinking to myself, "well, dammit, I really ought to get to making a user id, before these numbers get too big". Yeah, it took me that long to decide to create an account. This is like my 3rd slashdot comment in 10 years. I am a lurker extra-ordinaire.

    anyway, that's a side point to my main question:

    who here remembers the little text box form Taco had on CnD, that let you send a message to his console?

    Taco, I wrote you maybe a dozen times or so, usually like 4 or 5 messages all at once within about the same number of minutes... I can't remember a single thing that I wrote to you through that little one line form, but I hope you got a laugh out of it. oh, and Hamster Havoc still rocks.

    --Josh

  27. The Genesis of Anonymous Coward by crumley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is that really the way Anonymous Coward started? If so, my memory is failing.

    I remember that there was a user that called himself Anonymous Coward in the days before user accounts. I thought that he wrote some pretty decent, though sometimes trollish, posts. Then there were all kinds of problems with people impersonating other users (especially Bruce Perens). So user accounts were created. When the accounts were created, the name "Anonymous Coward" was appropriated from people who weren't logged in. Some claimed that this ticked off the original AC, though no one could tell for sure.

    Anyway, if anyone else remembers any of that, please back me up.

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  28. Mod parent DOWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want to see this guy modded troll for once :D

  29. WAY OT, don't recall seeing in FAQ by drachenstern · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why don't the user pages have join dates? After reading through a large portion of this thread (during class, my apologies to all, CmdrTaco gets it) I realized that most of us don't realize how long we've been reading this site, much less how long we've been _officially_ contributing.

    Just thought I would tag your comment and hope for a reply shortly.

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    1. Re:WAY OT, don't recall seeing in FAQ by CmdrTaco · · Score: 4, Informative

      because we didn't log that information for like 5 years ;)

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  30. Re:sweet by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be fair, people with low IDs seem to get some sort of automatic respect mods. Take the OP. Currently at +3 Interesting, for nothing more than stating he has a low ID. WTF, basically.

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  31. Re:Oh, CONGRATULATIONS! by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ah yes, RFC1149. What a glorious upgrade from the rock network. Basically, in the old days, you would chisel your message onto a stone, preferably a small one, then lob it at your neighbor, and he would read the address, then throw it in the direction he thought it was supposed to go, and so on until it infrequently arrived at its intended destination. There's an ugly rumor that some 80% of the lost packets can be found at the bottom of Lake Wobegon as the result of a malicious MITM attack.

  32. Wayback Machine by Frankie70 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Chips and Dips from the wayback
    machine.

    Early slashdot pages.

  33. Re:I tried... by Dirtside · · Score: 2, Funny

    You also never see Wil Wheaton and Batman in the same photograph, either.

    Or Batman and Hitler, for that matter.

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