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Ecuador Tax Agency Closes Microsoft Branch Offices

An anonymous reader writes "The Ecuador Tax Agency (SRI) has closed Microsoft branch offices for seven days. 'We have twice requested balances, payment reports and complete tax information, but the company hasn't given it to us, so in accordance with our laws we have proceeded with the closure,' the SRI official in charge of the proceeding said. Microsoft said it was a human mistake."

109 comments

  1. a human mistake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That cant be right, anyone who works for Microsoft isn't human any more surely?
    Isn't it company policy for employees to turn over their souls?

  2. OUTRAGE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ecuador holds dominion over the Galapagos Islands. Who made the Galapagos famous? That's right, Darwin... Which happens to be the name of Apple's OS Kernel. COINCIDENCE?

    1. Re:OUTRAGE by eneville · · Score: 0

      oh come on, that's hilarious! please, mod the parent up as funny, it made me spit my tea out

    2. Re:OUTRAGE by catmistake · · Score: 1

      From Esmersldis to Loja there is too much rejoicing to notice a new competitor to their exports... silently and swiftly store shelves are teaming with slightly inferior versions of Microsoft Bananas HE, CE, and the deluxe corporate edition, MS Bananas Pro... But don't miss the seafood versions to be released next spring - Microsoft Shrimp Pro Ichstream Edition will directly compete with Ecuadorian Shrimp exports. Now that the sleepy giant is awake, is this the end of Ecuador? Perhaps Gates could be swayed to merely purchase the country rather than compete it into oblivion...

    3. Re:OUTRAGE by TempeTerra · · Score: 1

      The conspiracy is deeper than you suspect. The Galapagos Islands also contain the closest penguin colonies to Redmond. I leave you to draw your own conclusions...

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    4. Re:OUTRAGE by chawly · · Score: 0

      Well done ! Liked it ! Still laughing.

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  3. Ha! by milo_a_wagner · · Score: 5, Funny

    All your branches are belong to us!

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  4. First Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first time it may have been a "human" mistake. Second time, I do not think so.

    I wonder if this is related to paying for votes on the ISO committee?

    1. Re:First Time by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 3, Funny

      The first time it may have been a "human" mistake. Second time, I do not think so.

      Maybe the first person who made the mistake was fired, and the replacement also happened to make the same mistake.

      That's not giving Microsoft the benefit of doubt, I'm thinking of how many times they make the same mistakes over and over, almost like it's company policy.

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    2. Re:First Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the real mistake was getting the media involved, they did respond immidiatly after there first mistake.

    3. Re:First Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's not giving Microsoft the benefit of doubt, I'm thinking of how many times they make the same mistakes over and over, almost like it's company policy.

      If that's the case, would it still be human error to follow company policy? :)

    4. Re:First Time by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      Microsoft: It can only be attributable... to human error.

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    5. Re:First Time by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, would it still be human error to follow company policy?

      Twice over: one human error making the bad policy, another acting on it. Problem is HR never sees it that way.

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    6. Re:First Time by ajleal · · Score: 1

      Ecuador's vote on Office Open XML Ballot was Disapproval; I don't think MS pay for any votes. Please document yourself before making comment just to make sure to contribute in a positive way.

  5. Excel by MK_CSGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cue in the Excel jokes just about... now!

    1. Re:Excel by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Well, probably the tax office demanded $100,000, and MS only payed 850 rates of $77,1 each, because Excel told them 850*77.1 is 100,000

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  6. In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Microsoft closes tax offices.

    1. Re:In Soviet Russia... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

      As opposed to Soviet Korporate Amerika, where Microsoft taxes YOU!

      In such a context,

      1. couldn't running linux be considered somewhat equivalent to the Boston Tea Party? Or would that be running a pirated copy of Windows?

      2. could running a pirated copy of Windows, in the current "Corporatist" environment, be considered a political statement, and as such, be "protected speech", same as flag burning?

    2. Re:In Soviet Russia... by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      I'm all for both, especially after the still-ongoing flamewar with another Slashdotter.

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    3. Re:In Soviet Russia... by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Replying to myself since I cannot simply append to the previous post...

      Flag burning, you say... well, what a coincidence, then, that the Windows logo is a cross between a flag and a window...

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    4. Re:In Soviet Russia... by ijakings · · Score: 0

      I dunno, burning some chairs is going to send more of a statement. What will ballmer use in their Developer powered chair cannons now?

    5. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Igmuth · · Score: 1

      No no... the Boston tea party would be like hijacking a truck leaving Redmond, and torching the contents.

    6. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where you're obviously being European about it... going on and on rationalizing why you're right even after your logic is proven to be flawed....

    7. Re:In Soviet Russia... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Well, seeing as the latest openSUSE will run Windows (Win9x or XP Pro) as a guest operating system, either inside a window, or running the individual apps right on the desktop, no wine needed, and its a LOT nicer than Vista ... we have a Winner! Or should I say a Window of Opportunity?

    8. Re:In Soviet Russia... by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Ah, Mr. AC... don't I know you from somewhere?

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  7. Human error by wjcofkc · · Score: 2, Funny

    It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been attributable to human error

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  8. "closing" a business in an online world by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I doubt this will have the impact that it would if Microsoft were a traditional bricks-and-mortar company. Does this closure prevent Ecuadorians from activating copies of Windows, or downloading updates, or buying additional Microsoft licenses online?

    At what point in time will tax authorities seek the right to seize a company's domain name and DNS entries to truly seize a business for back taxes.

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    1. Re:"closing" a business in an online world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the SRI just closed Microsoft for a week or two,they will be unable to operate,sell services/products,they wont be able to access their offices.

      The customers of legal copies of microsoft will be continue to use it... I guess they will redirect support calls to Colombia or USA.

      Here in Ecuador it is a common practice to close for 7 o 15 days companies not declaring their taxes on time.

    2. Re:"closing" a business in an online world by mysticgoat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This means that for at least seven days, any Ecuadoran corporation that needs Microsoft support is SOL [Sh*t Outta Luck]. That might cause some ripples in the mining industry, for instance.

      I don't see how this benefits the worldwide adoption of Vista or Office 2007. This is an entirely new avenue by which a corporate user of Microsoft products might find their operations temporarily "locally orphaned"— that is, without any local vendor support. I'm pretty sure that this event has not been received favorably in Redmond. I'm thinking that it is the kind of event that throws a chair when it bubbles up to the top.

      Who would have guessed that when doing comparative risk assessments of OSs and office suites, one of the factors that now needs to be considered is whether the software vendor will comply with local laws?

    3. Re:"closing" a business in an online world by highplansdrifter · · Score: 1

      I'll make a bet that the large majority of copies of Windows in Ecuador are pirated and hence don't contribute to Microsoft or really get anything from Microsoft, so to them this doesn't matter either way. I say this from years experience living and working in South America. I recall being able to purchase any Microsoft software for about US$2. Of course, there was an government agency whose job it was to stop piracy. Every once in a while, (probably when the right people weren't bribed) you'd hear about raids and penalties and whatnot. However, they couldn't be too aggressive about the whole business, as you can't really afford to shut down a lot of companies that are contributing to your economy over pirated software. In short, it mostly likely doesn't affect Microsoft and it only affects those who are legal licensees of Microsoft products. Way to go, MS, that'll show all those using pirated software why it's good to pay for licenses/support.

    4. Re:"closing" a business in an online world by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      Nt really, Microsoft has a huge tech support office in Columbia. Ecuadorians can call for support there.

      A friend of mine (Mexican) who works for Microsoft was offered a position getting the Columbia center off the ground. He turned them down on the grounds that Columbia isn;t a very safe place to be.

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    5. Re:"closing" a business in an online world by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      This means that for at least seven days, any Ecuadoran corporation that needs Microsoft support is SOL [Sh*t Outta Luck]. That might cause some ripples in the mining industry, for instance.
      can't they just call up microsoft in the US directly?

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    6. Re:"closing" a business in an online world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Columbia is safe... as safe as any other city in South Carolina. Colombia, on the other hand, isn't.

    7. Re:"closing" a business in an online world by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

      can't they just call up microsoft in the US directly?

      For some things. Not for, say, face to face help in preparing a proposal to the bosses for converting the Advertising Department to Vista... which is the kind of support that Microsoft really likes to provide.

      Doubtless there are other kinds of assistance that MS provides locally that are not available through Redmond. Especially wrt social networking and other kinds of "soft" support.

  9. A human mistake by NJVil · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Microsoft said it was a human mistake."

    Well, it's highly unlikely they'd admit it was a technology mistake. So, a head will roll, a chair will be thrown, and full faith in Microsoft technology will return to normal in Ecuador.

    1. Re:A human mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      will the head roll before or after the chair is thrown, one would have hoped that ballmer has improved his aim

    2. Re:A human mistake by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Microsoft said it was a human mistake.

      Yeah right... like there are any humans working at Microsoft.

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  10. tax evasion by ClippySay · · Score: 5, Funny

    / You look like you're trying to evade \
    \ taxes. May I help you?               /
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    1. Re:tax evasion by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Hilarious!

      May your chrome shine until the coming of the MacGuyver at the Time of Unbending.

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    2. Re:tax evasion by JohnnyBGod · · Score: 1

      Man, I hate you. Now I can't stop laughing!

    3. Re:tax evasion by Krizdo4 · · Score: 1

      That's awesome.

    4. Re:tax evasion by mmalove · · Score: 1

      He's not only evading taxes, but the /. lameness filter!

      That little guy is my hero.

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  11. Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by Nymz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This story feels alot like "Is Britney Spears fit?" or "has Linsey Lohan left rehab too soon?" Do we really need 24/7 coverage of every detail of Microsoft? Hmm, what do you think of these stories:
    • Steve Jobs drops his iPhone again - video link
    • Linus Torvald buys a mac - is this the end of the world?
    • Bill Gates gets a fashion makeover - image slideshow
    1. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      I think the money involved is such stories is infinitesimal compared to a corporation having to pay taxes for a branch as big as a country, even if it's a developing nation.

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    2. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

      > "Bill Gates gets a fashion makeover - image slideshow"

      They already tried that in the '80s. Didn't work then ... won't work now.

      He was posing for a cover shot for newsweek. He held up something, and you could see the hole in his sweaters' armpit. So they had him take off the sweater. Then you got to see the pit stains on his shirt. They had to literally take the shirt off another Microsoft employee's back to get a "clean shot."

      "Stinkin' nerdz!"

    3. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by garett_spencley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your post has just 'caused me to make a revelation about myself that is most disturbing.

      Celebrity gossup / papparazzi is one of my biggest pet-peeves. It drives me INSANE when people care about Paris Hilton being in jail or Britney shaving her head or whatever. The fact that I even know those events occurred makes me want to kill myself. I mean, really WHO THE HELL CARES AND WHY ?!?! Are people's own lives so bloody shallow that they need to constantly invade the privacy of other people that they do not even know just to see something more interesting ? Why is that considered to be more interesting anyway ? Leave the celebrities the fuck alone, they're just people. They are no more interesting or important or "special" than you. Aside from the media that they have a small part in producing they have absolutely no "real" effect your lives what-so-ever. The fact that anyone cares about their private lives is the most absolutely ridiculous aspect of human / pop culture and it depresses me.

      Yet, thanks to your post I have realized that I am also guilty of this. Only not with pop-culture. I am interest in things like what Linus is currently working on, the direction that Jobs is taking his business, whether Steve Ballmer will be finally taken to an asylum to get the anger management that he needs. I know more names of "popular" geeks and business people than I do of actors or musicians etc.

      I need some Prozak now :(

      Oh and expect a call from my lawyer ...

    4. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by GvG · · Score: 1

      Britney shaving her head

      Paris Hilton being in jail was hard to miss even for me. But I managed to not know about Britney. Until you told me, that is... So now I have to go kill myself too. Thank you very much.

    5. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Linus Torvald buys a mac - is this the end of the world? Actually, he didn't. Apple gave him one, to improve PowerPC support under Linux. In hindsight, possibly not a particularly good investment.
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    6. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by quantic_oscillation7 · · Score: 0

      you know the real problem is that the media wants to make us all stupid, the more the better. the media is just the arm of the gov, they want you and me to be as stupid as possible so we cannot think about the real world problems or the lies they tell us. www.911truth.org

    7. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is absolutely connected with people's lives. You know actors lead a double life, right? (NOT including their film roles). One, they're rich public figures and expected to act acccordingly. Secondly, they have personal lives. Now, this is basically the same problem all people who get out face. They have social goals and agendas wrt society, and also private goals and secrets. Problems arise, which they must solve in a socially acceptable way. What the world thinks of Britney is no different fundamentally from what your daughter's classmates think of her. Except Britney's "made it".

      This is the same reason you're interested in Torvalds, or Gates, or Jobs. They have private, geeky brains. They crunch numbers even as you're talking to them, and have cards they play close to their chest. On the other hand, there is Linux as a brand (OWNED by Linus), there is Microsoft's internal roadmap, and there are MacWorld expos.

      The interaction between privacy and public life is interesting for anyone who has aspirations.

    8. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linus Torvalds has used Mac's before and everyone here know it, so that wouldn't be anything to write about.
      ...if you however want a sensation here it is: "Steve Ballmer has just bought Linus Torvalds old Mac Quadra... is it the end of Windows ?"

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    9. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by MK_CSGuy · · Score: 1

      Leave the celebrities the fuck alone, they're just people.

      Chris?? Is that you??

    10. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by jagdish · · Score: 1

      Leave the celebrities the fuck alone, ....
      So you are that guy/girl in the Leave Britney Alone video. That explains it.

    11. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``Are people's own lives so bloody shallow that they need to constantly invade the privacy of other people that they do not even know just to see something more interesting ?''

      Yes.

      Especially, of course, if your life consists of doing whatever your day job (or school, etc.) happens to be, and then spending the rest of your time watching tv or reading fashion/gossip/etc. magazines.

      Then there's people who invent causes. Religion. Making a better X. Microsoft must die. Etc. I say "invent", because, usually, if not always, these people themselves see it as some sort of epic good vs. evil fight, whereas most other people don't even care.

      And then there is people who just try to grab as much money and/or power as they can get.

      The sad thing is, I think that the first (gossip/fashion/etc.) kind tends to feel happiest.

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    12. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by Artraze · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Only not with pop-culture. I am interest in things like what Linus is currently
      > working on, the direction that Jobs is taking his business, whether Steve Ballmer
      > will be finally taken to an asylum to get the anger management that he needs.

      With the exception of the Ballmer comment, there's nothing wrong with being interested in those things.

      Think of it this way, is it wrong to listen to what Bush says? Or your representative? Of course not, because the decisions these people make affect your life. Being concerned with "the direction that _Bush_ is taking this _country_" is important.

      Now certainly Apple isn't as important as the country. However, if you run an apple, the decisions Jobs makes will matter to you. Even more so with Linus and Linux. And with Microsoft's strangle hold on businesses across the world, the "war on Microsoft" is actually in some ways more important than the "war on Terror".

    13. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by ivoras · · Score: 1

      Actually, it seems to be an biological evolutionary trait. We are constantly interested in what do other members of our species around us do, whether we like it or not. The reasons is that there's better chance of survival if mistakes are learned from others. The "media" are just catering to this instinct - if people want to do something, someone will figure out how to make money from it sooner or later. Incidentally, this same instinct is why we like reading stories (and watching movies), whether fiction or not. In fact, it looks like the more intelligent members of the species like their stories to be as fictional as possible, maybe because they have already learned whatever is there to learn about the mundane, and maybe this kind of learning has the purpose of preparing one for the unexpected.

      It would be nice to switch that circuit off, but it seems like it will be stuck with us for a long time.

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    14. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      I am interest in things like what Linus is currently working on, the direction that Jobs is taking his business, whether Steve Ballmer will be finally taken to an asylum to get the anger management that he needs. Those are different. They do important stuff. That's a good enough reason to follow what they're doing.
    15. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by Macthorpe · · Score: 1

      www.911truth.org Obligatory rebuttal.
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    16. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Who's Britney?

      For that matter, is Paris Hilton related to the hotels?

      Inquiring minds don't care enough to look it up on Google.

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    17. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by GvG · · Score: 1

      I could tell you, but then you'd have to kill yourself.

    18. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by Sciros · · Score: 1

      However, if you run an apple, the decisions Jobs makes will matter to you Oh man for like a whole minute I was thinking... is Jobs some fruit guru who knows everything about apples?? And what does it mean to "run an apple" would it be like running *with* an apple, hiking and taking one with you so it can be a convenient snack later in the day? And then I realized, "...ohhhh Apple COMPUTER!"

      The worst part is, it's not like I read that phrase in isolation. I read the previous sentence, too. And a lot of sentences before it as well. And, you know, Slashdot in general. ;_;
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    19. Re:Celebrity Section for Slashdot? by gatesvp · · Score: 1

      Look, this article, a little vaporous, but overall the stuff you're looking into is not vaporous. If you work in the IT industry, then this stuff is actually your job. Linus and Jobs and Balmer are leaders of large amounts of IT resources. Their decisions influence millions of dollars, move hundreds of bodies and affect the way that you do business.

      Paris Hilton == vapour, she's really not important, she's really just an unimportant peon of the tabloids. Linus/Jobs/Balmer, these are guys influencing the future of your industry, Google's next product may be part of your next customer solution. Don't feel bad, these are indeed different things.

  12. Feel good yet? by moehoward · · Score: 1, Funny


    The entire story by my beloved Slashdot editor, Cowboyneal, should be modded as flamebait.

    My god. How freaking petty to post such dribble on the front page of Slashdot as we celebrate the 10 year anniversary.

    Yeah. MS is purposefully trying to rip off freaking Ecuador. What is the implication? Rwanda is next on their "hit list?"

    How embarrassing, Cowboyneal. I shall withhold my Cowboyneal vote on the next two polls in retaliation. Next time, RTFA and then look for more sources on Google News.

    There are hundreds of countries in the world with thousands of oversight entities. Every single hour/minute, some company gets this sort of "parking ticket." But, feels good when you are a UPS driver and you see that parking ticket on a Fed-Ex truck when you pull up. Right?

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    1. Re:Feel good yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How freaking petty to post such dribble on the front page

      Are you sure you're reading Slashdot??? Maybe you mean to reply to an article on sportsillustrated.com?

    2. Re:Feel good yet? by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

      There are hundreds of countries in the world with thousands of oversight entities. Every single hour/minute, some company gets this sort of "parking ticket." But, feels good when you are a UPS driver and you see that parking ticket on a Fed-Ex truck when you pull up. Right?

      True, but those 'parking tickets' tend to be addressed before they're given out a second time and the office gets closed.

    3. Re:Feel good yet? by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

      Ecuadoran corporations that expect local support of the software they license from Microsoft may feel that this is a rather big thing. This isn't a "parking ticket" where Microsoft has to pay a fine. This is a "nobody is allowed to get in the building" show stopper.

      CIOs of corporations in other countries now need to consider a new kind of risk as they decide whether to stay with the same vendor or explore other options. Part of choosing a software vendor has always involved assessing whether that vendor was likely to go out of business and leave your company orphaned, without support. From now on, it is also going to be necessary to assess whether the vendor is going to get shut down for illegal activities, and leave you without support.

      Uh, thanks Microsoft for so poignantly demonstrating that this risk exists.

    4. Re:Feel good yet? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      home users and small buisnesses seem to manage fine without any meaningfull support from MS, why do corps need it so badly?

      and surely if they are really desperate they can just ring microsoft support in the USA.

      If they need more licenses desperately then worst case they can just buy them retail.

      in sumary why is a short term (or even permanent) shutdown of a local branch office significant?

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    5. Re:Feel good yet? by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      home users and small buisnesses seem to manage fine without any meaningfull support from MS, why do corps need it so badly?
       
      Because they do more stuff on a larger scale than home users and small businesses.
       
        and surely if they are really desperate they can just ring microsoft support in the USA.
       
      Who will be absolutely unfamiliar with any localization that is required in Ecuador.

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  13. Re:Public Prophet and Private Profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry but the law is the law. MS forgot to send some papers and the rules had been applied on that case. Many other ecuadorian companies were also closed for seven days, MS was the only multinational branch closed.

  14. MSFT PROXY VOTE IS NOW by JackMeyhoff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Time to vote Steve Balmer and Bill Gates OFF the Board of Directors again. One day we will get lucky, MSFT will rise at LEAST 10..15% if they left. They don't contribute anything anyway.

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    1. Re:MSFT PROXY VOTE IS NOW by JackMeyhoff · · Score: 0

      If every slashdot user on here bought one share of MSFT and voted NO to get them off the board, we would have the slashdot effect with real power to hurt Microsoft. Get organized people. VOTE THEM OFF the BoD.

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    2. Re:MSFT PROXY VOTE IS NOW by Rick+Genter · · Score: 1

      If every slashdot user on here bought one share of MSFT and voted NO to get them off the board, we would have the slashdot effect with real power to hurt Microsoft. Get organized people. VOTE THEM OFF the BoD.


      Uh, no.

      Based on Friday's stock price and listed market cap, Microsoft has approximately 9.375 billion shares outstanding. Slashdot UIDs are at about 1.2 million; be generous and assume that every UID is a unique user, and that there are another million ACs (personally, I think that's very generous). 2.2 million shares is only 0.02% of MSFT's outstanding stock. You ain't gonna vote anyone off anything with 0.02% of the vote.
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    3. Re:MSFT PROXY VOTE IS NOW by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      Even if you could, you might want to look at the by-laws, and see if the board itself gets to approve such things :-)

      You think they didn't anticipate that kind of a coup?

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    4. Re:MSFT PROXY VOTE IS NOW by JackMeyhoff · · Score: 1

      Ok everybody buy 100 shares :) and don't forget you get a dividend too (that Balmer HATES to pay).

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    5. Re:MSFT PROXY VOTE IS NOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Math and thinking aren't really your strong points, eh?

      If everyone buying one share gives slashdot 0.02% of the vote, then everyone buying 100 shares will give slashdot 2% of the vote. That still won't do jack shit.

      We'd all have to purchase 1000's of shares, costing us each tens of thousands of dollars to have any power at all. And that's assuming the very generous 2.2 million people figure. I would guess the regular slashdot readers number less than 100000, and so it would cost us each HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars for slashdot to have any say in how MS is run.

  15. Umm, yeah Ecuador is high on the list... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    of "we have a branch there?" offices. Considering Microsoft's revenues are about 1.8 times higher than the entire GDP of Ecuador, it probably doesn't rank really high on the list of priorities, all in all...

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    1. Re:Umm, yeah Ecuador is high on the list... by janrinok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think your post was intended to be funny - but it should be high on the list of any company operating in any country in the world to ensure that they comply with the local laws. Making a profit higher than a nation's GDP does not absolve any company from full legal compliance. If they don't like it, they can close their offices down and stay back home, but they do not have a right to go elsewhere and behave as if the law does not apply to them. It does, and they are wrong.

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    2. Re:Umm, yeah Ecuador is high on the list... by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 1
      So basically, you're saying that if a company is big enough they should be able to act with complete disdain towards local laws?

      I don't know what's more troubling: rampant corporate arrogance and criminal activity, or those who would be apologists for their corporate overlords (whom I, for one, do not welcome).

    3. Re:Umm, yeah Ecuador is high on the list... by cheros · · Score: 1

      t should be high on the list of any company operating in any country in the world to ensure that they comply with the local laws

      Well, yes, but you're talking about Microsoft here. They're trying to BE the law, I guess that's the only way to overcome the tiny problem of being a multiple times convicted monopoly.. I'm waiting for a sign that MyEthics has made it out of alpha there, but there seem to be serious interoperability issues with the rest of Microsoft..

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    4. Re:Umm, yeah Ecuador is high on the list... by ozbird · · Score: 1

      "Ve are above ze law!" *throws chair*

    5. Re:Umm, yeah Ecuador is high on the list... by BgJonson79 · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough, MS is also criticized for following American law when they earn as much money for their shareholders as possible (fiduciary duty).

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  16. No special treatment. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What this story really shows is that this little country treats all its businesses the same. No one gets special treatment just because they are a huge US based multi-national.

    1. Re:No special treatment. by wclacy · · Score: 1, Troll

      Wrong, This is the treatment you get if you are a Large American Business.
      Ecuador just got a new Anti-American President.
      In Ecuador there are so many small businesses (There is a store on every street corner) that they can only enforce taxes on the large companies.
      In Ecuador you can buy Pirated Movies and CD's just about anywhere. No taxes on them either.

  17. I call bullshit on "human error" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MS doesn't employ humans, they employ drones, sheep, lawyers, shills, lobbyists and Darth-geeks.

  18. Ecuador moving to free software by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't know if it's related, but maybe Ecuador isn't too afraid of MS nowadays since they're moving to free software:

    http://rudd-o.com/archives/2006/12/13/%C2%A1success-for-free-software-in-latin-america/

    1. Re:Ecuador moving to free software by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      There may actually be a whole political scheme behind all this. I've been told by people from Ecuador that their president is good friends with one Hugo Chavez, and wants to copy at least some of his policies. Now, Chavez's dislike of the USA is well known. Microsoft is a US company. Moreover, Microsoft is one of these companies that can be portrayed as exploiting the poor citizens of Latin America. Perhaps what we're seeing now is part of a larger anti-Microsoft scheme. Perhaps it isn't. At any rate, it will be interesting to watch.

      Just so you know where I stand: I think it is undeniable that the USA and Microsoft are exploiting Latin America. So it's good to see people standing up against it. On the other hand, I don't think Chavez's way is the way to do it, and I'm afraid it will bring more misery than progress, in the end.

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    2. Re:Ecuador moving to free software by RenderSeven · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I think it is undeniable that the USA and Microsoft are exploiting Latin America.
      By that you mean they make money there? Or do you mean that every other country doing business in South America is motivated by philanthropy? Fortunately China's aggressive investment in Central and South America is all about them 'giving back to the community', right?

      Just so you know where *I* stand, I think South America is doing well exploiting *us*. Nothing in history is as unifying as declaring a common enemy, and you're all smart enough to draw the obvious inferences. Casting us in that role (whether deserved or not) has well suited every corrupt tin-horn dictator like Chavez. Handing out free AK47's to his supporters to repel an farcical US invasion might be a good thing if you're a supporter, but to a small business owner facing down an armed horde of the poor bent on nationalizing your inventory, maybe not so good.

      I dont care for much of Microsoft's tactics any more than the next geek, but gleefully crowing over every petty nationalist squabble involving them is absurdly naive. Ecuador and Venezuela embracing Linux dont make their governments any less corrupt or self-serving.

    3. Re:Ecuador moving to free software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Just so you know where I stand: I think it is undeniable that the USA and Microsoft are exploiting Latin America."

      Do you realize just how much of an idiot you sound like?

    4. Re:Ecuador moving to free software by cheros · · Score: 1

      cuador and Venezuela embracing Linux dont make their governments any less corrupt or self-serving.

      Yes, but it's annoying for MS regardless - such corrupt Governments and STILL no way to buy themselves in. That's quite an example for the OOXML ISO process, no? :-)

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    5. Re:Ecuador moving to free software by Rudd-O · · Score: 1

      It sounds absolutely reasonable to me. Read Confessions of an economic hit man to get the whole story.

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  19. Also by jeffasselin · · Score: 4, Funny

    in completely unrelated news, Microsoft announced that every copy of Windows trying to validate with WGA from Ecuador was found to be non-genuine. The affected systems have started zeroing the data on their hard drives.

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    1. Re:Also by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I very much doubt MS would do something like that. It would make a lot of people change from not caring about the bad stuff MS does to actively planning to migrate ASAP.

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  20. HAL 9001 now works for the Microsoft PR department by seyyah · · Score: 1

    In a statement released to Reuters this afternoon:
    "Well, I don't think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before and it has always been due to human error."

  21. Not really-- this is significant by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Basically, the argument is that Microsoft didn't cooperate with an audit, so the government doesn't know if they paid taxes or not.

    This is a very interesting though as it relates to regional politics. Rafael Correa won his election partly on the promise to clean up corruption in foreign corporate entities (in particular tax evasion and the like). It also has other ramifications for open source, business, economics, etc. in Ecuador. I will be watching this closely.

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    1. Re:Not really-- this is significant by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      And if MS won't comply with an audit, why should anyone comply with theirs?

  22. For a minute there... by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    For a minute there I thought you guys posted something about me...
    Oh, well, I guess I'll have to continue the work for my Ig Nobel nomination to make it to the /. front page.

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  23. Actually this is very significant by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many Latin American countries have been struggling with corruption for a long time, Ecuador included. Ecuador in particular has been severely destabilized by such corruption (8 presidents in 10 years-- everything from coups to phony impeachments). Correa vowed to change that, and he has been doing a great job of it so far.

    If Microsoft is not cooperating with tax audits, this could be due to an issue of management in their branch officies, but it could also be due to a human error. What is significant is that this happened at all. 10 years ago, it would have been unthinkable even if they weren't paying taxes at all. 20 years ago, it would have been avoided for fear of covert retribution from the US (as we saw in Guatamala, and arguably Ecuador as well).

    This is significant because it means that Correa is serious about his willingness to stand up to powerful foreign corporations. Its significance is not limited to Microsoft-- this is more significant as to how it affects things like oil exports, foreign-owned banana plantations, and the like.

    The rule of law is being asserted strongly in Ecuador which is a good thing.

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  24. Matrix by weirdcrashingnoises · · Score: 3, Funny

    MS Agent: Only human.
    Ecuador: Dodge this.

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  25. Ecua... who? by mangu · · Score: 1
    it probably doesn't rank really high on the list of priorities, all in all...


    Hmmm, let's see, now where in the map is Ecuador?


    No, I don't think it will rank very high on the list. However, this doesn't mean they are free to break the law. If you don't like the law, then do not open a branch in that country, it's as simple as that. Being a small country makes it a small loss not having a branch there.

  26. I doubt the "human error" explanation.. by dgr73 · · Score: 1

    ..for the simple reason that they'd have to be employing human beings for that to happen.

    1. Re:I doubt the "human error" explanation.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's exactly what they're trying to imply - we're not a big evil corporation, we're just an ordinary corporation, but comprised of evil and utterly incompetent people ;)

  27. Human mistake? by fishbowl · · Score: 2

    *ALL* mistakes are "human mistakes."

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  28. Msft ran a tax scam in the USA also by walterbyrd · · Score: 1
  29. Correa is no Chavez by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Despite the rhetoric which the media seems to get almost completely wrong, I don't think that Rafael Correa is anything like Hugo Chavez. Correa is a rule-of-law capitalist who wants to see Ecuador develop along the lines of the United States. Of course this means that corporations must be forced to obey the laws evenly, which he has pledged to do. He has also pledged to get the Constitution rewritten to help reduce the level of corruption (restricting who can run on the basis that you must live in the district you want to represent), and a few other structural changes which are not aimed at disolving checks and balances but actually adding them. Independence from US interests and policy is a key element to his approach so he wants to close the USAF base in Manta, and has entered into an alliance of convenience with Chavez.

    My own feeling is that Correa has acted responsibly regarding the attempts to rewrite the Constitution by tackling it immediately so that the question of term limits is less likely to be addressed as a way of keeping him in power.

    CUrrently everything Correa has accomplished has been through sheer power of personality. He has been able to get previously opposing parties to back him and has, time and time again, routed opposition by building political alliances which would have seemed impossible before.

    Correa, unlike Chavez is not a part of a massive political party. In fact, he doesn't have anyone from his party in Congress. Correa wants Ecuador, not Venezuela or Brazil, to be the new center of South America. Appearances aside, I think he is actually Chavez's worst enemy.

    Correa earned his Masters in Economics in Belguim, and his PHD at the University of Illinois. He is a former university professor at USFQ (Universidad de San Francisco de Quito). He is hardly Anti-American. though he does dispise the Bush Administration (but so do I....). He is, however, unlikely to be a puppet to any other government.

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  30. Re:OUTRAGE and Conspiracy by Whiteox · · Score: 1

    No. This is NOT coincidence.
    I believe that you've uncovered a cover-up!
    Well done!
    Now let us see Uncle Steve get out of this one!!!!
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    NEXTSTEP? Is this the Next Step Uncle Steve?

    There's more to this that meets intelligent design...

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  31. SRI can be a pain in the arse by Micah · · Score: 1

    I lived in Ecuador for a while. The SRI had continually changing requirements for various reports.

    I have also seen small businesses like restaurants closed for days for not paying IVA (VAT tax).

    I once saw graffiti that said something like "stop the corruption of the SRI" -- *on* the SRI office in the jungle city of Puyo. :-)