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Apple's OS X Leopard In Depth

jcatcw writes "Computerworld begins its Week of Leopard with an in-depth review and image gallery covering Apple's newest version of OS X. Is it worth the wait? Well, Yes. It trumps Vista, of course; the Finder, Quick Look and Cover Flow provide better functionality and eye candy; Time Machine is the biggest undelete ever and the restore function is one of the coolest things we've ever seen; it has iChat; and has lots of updates under the hood. The answer might be no if you're lacking in the hardware department - an FAQ on how to get ready for the new version will help."

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  1. no surprise there by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes. It trumps Vista, of course

    Is that really a big accomplishment? I mean, really? XP trumps Vista.

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    1. Re:no surprise there by Scudsucker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sure, Vista is great - if you hated the actually useful features that were promised for Longhorn that were stipped out, having your OS use fifteen frikkin gigabytes of space, a big performance downgrade, and DRM hooks all over the operating system as Microsoft puts the MPAA over you.

    2. Re:no surprise there by daybot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For programming and the command line, give me bash. For anything graphical at all, I'll take vista any day.

      Clearly you haven't tried OSX. You get a consistent, fluid and high performance GUI. When you want a shell, you get a Unix one on a certified Unix OS; in a fancy translucent window if you so choose. Beats having to run Cygwin on a Windows box.

      Linux just doesn't have a mature desktop environment available, and that's the point of a graphical interface!

      Er, who's talking about Linux? This story is about Mac OSX Leopard...

    3. Re:no surprise there by geekoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you argument for pro Vista is that it has a more mature desktop then Linux,in a Mac post, then things are truly sad for Vista.

      I would also argue on you use of the word mature. I don't think it's desktop is old enough to be mature.

      Good software mature, bad software ages. MS OS ages.

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    4. Re:no surprise there by Penguin+Follower · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's wrong with *your* 10.4? Mine is quite snappy. (MacPro Quad 2.66GHz 2GB RAM 250GB HDD)

    5. Re:no surprise there by Rufty · · Score: 5, Funny

      But Vista still beats WinME!
      (kinda...)

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    6. Re:no surprise there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That G4 Mini I bought that came standard with 256mb of memory was pretty much lacking in the snappy department, and it came with 10.3. 10.4 slowed it down to the "unusable" range. Don't even want to think of what 10.5 would do to it. For snappy I had to install Linux.

    7. Re:no surprise there by daybot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably because the version of OS X that potentially meets those standards was only released today

      Yes that's true of the 'certified Unix' bit, but I believe everything else still stands.

      And I'm sceptical about the "fluid and high performance GUI", since 'teh snappay' of 10.4 would need to have increased *massively* to qualify.

      Play a 720p H.264 in Quicktime, run iTunes with another video going, add several browsers showing web pages with animated Flash bits. Now use Expose to show all these windows at once. My MacBook Pro with el cheapo ATI onboard graphics can handle that, but try the same with Flip 3-D on Vista (which is nothing like as useful or elegant as Expose), even with an uber Quadro card, and you'll see why I say OSX has a high performance GUI.

    8. Re:no surprise there by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, if that kind of computer wouldnt be "quite snappy", it would be an utter disgrace...

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    9. Re:no surprise there by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Funny

      When you want a shell, you get a Unix one on a certified Unix OS; in a fancy translucent window if you so choose.

      I choose the unholy union of C# and Perl (aka Windows Powershell) and Aero Glass! And just try to defeat my unstoppable DirectX 10... Tremble in fear!!!1!!1eleven

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    10. Re:no surprise there by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Informative

      For snappy I had to install Linux. Or RAM. My G4 Mini is plenty snappy for what it is, though of course I much prefer the MacBook Pro. I also run 10.4 on a G4 dual 867 and it runs just fine. RAM is definitely the key here.
    11. Re:no surprise there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tosser.

    12. Re:no surprise there by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 2, Insightful

      RAM is definitely the key here.

      Which is why it is a shame that Apple not only ship a system with so little RAM it is too slow to run the installed OS well, but also make it incredibly difficult to upgrade the RAM to a reasonable level. Yes you can have the RAM factory upgraded when you buy the system, but at a large price premium, and it is no good to those who don't realise they need more until after using the machine.

      I have never understood why Apple don't have a removable panel on the mini to allow RAM upgrades, it is a system that works perfectly well on the iMac.

    13. Re:no surprise there by Blood_God · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well crappy performance from something that's crappy and used in a huge number of unsuitable situations is to be expected regardless of platform.

    14. Re:no surprise there by dave420 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've used OS X a lot. Vista is more responsive, plus Vista's keyboard-accessibility is unparalelled. There's a lot of Vista criticism on slashdot, and I don't think all of it is reasonable. Vista's GUI is the fastest GUI I've ever used on any platform. The mouse is quick, the windows move speedily, there's no lag, the keyboard shortcuts work brilliantly.

    15. Re:no surprise there by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well crappy performance from something that's crappy and used in a huge number of unsuitable situations is to be expected regardless of platform.

      Ah someone who has the same beliefs as me :) Not to mention how much they can kill available CPU when some stupid site decides to have pop-unders appear every 10 minutes with Flash content - yuck. Truth is, too many gee-wiz marketing divisions mis-understand the difference between movie and informational web sites.

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  2. Re:Computerworld Developers by laddy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Doesn't look like they got the GM. Their dock is on the side and isn't sporting the revised look.

  3. Multiple Desktops by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone know what holds MS back from adding the Multiple Desktop feature? I know it can be had with 3rd party software, however last time I used one it really slowed down my machine and caused some crashes.

    The lack of such a feature that has been around for eons in the Unix/Linux world drives me crazy!

    1. Re:Multiple Desktops by chuck · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's available with 1st party software. It's kind of lame, but it does the job.

      http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

    2. Re:Multiple Desktops by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok, Nevermind, I guess you can...I had them shared. Better than nothing I guess...thanks again.

    3. Re:Multiple Desktops by Liberaltarian · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is quite a hack indeed. Microsoft's Virtual Desktop Manager relies on bundling groups of windows that are minimized and expanded simultaneously (along with a different desktop background for each bundle). Not only do most programmers not anticipate this (and due to the hacky nature of the implementation it can cause major headaches for end users), apparently MS programmers don't either, as even IE acts ridiculously with it. You also can't move a window in one "desktop" to another.

      I'm happy XP finally brought real multiple-display support (something the Mac has had since System 7 at the latest), but who knows when robust multiple-virtual-display support will come along.

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    4. Re:Multiple Desktops by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Microsoft are *years* behind everyone else on multiple desktops.

      I was working with multiple monitors on System 7 many years ago (and the implementation was *better* than the one that XP and Vista have - you could move your desktops around, even lay them out vertically or in a grid.. on Windows the position is hardwired to the graphics card and they must be next to each other).. around the era of Windows 3.1

    5. Re:Multiple Desktops by toadlife · · Score: 2, Informative

      VirtuaWin kicks ass. Have you tried that one?

      I learned about it from a Slashdot post, so maybe I can return the favor.

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    6. Re:Multiple Desktops by Mahjub+Sa'aden · · Score: 5, Funny

      Finally, a multiple desktop application made by Microsoft itself. Now I don't have to put up with half-assed, buggy, slow 3rd-party solutions! I can use a half-assed, buggy, slow 1st party solution!

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    7. Re:Multiple Desktops by david.given · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm happy XP finally brought real multiple-display support (something the Mac has had since System 7 at the latest), but who knows when robust multiple-virtual-display support will come along.

      I don't think it will. I've been hunting for a decent virtual desktop manager for Windows for ages now, and they all have horrible issues. The best one I've seen so far is Dexpot, but even it is annoying to use.

      As far as I can make out, the problem is this: Windows doesn't have a window manager in the traditional X sense. Applications handle their own resize, show and hide events. This means that for the desktop manager to switch desktops, it has to send the appropriate show and hide events to the applications... and the applications can take their own sweet time dealing with them. If the application's busy, the window won't change state. One desktop manager I tried to use (briefly) would actually wait for all the applications to process the events, which meant that if you tried to change desktops with an unresponsive application visible, the desktop manager would hang. Not great on a developer machine.

      It gets worse: Desktop managers don't appear to get the opportunity to mediate when an application tries to show or hide itself. Certainly, it was all too common in Dexpot for an application to make itself visible when it was already visible on another desktop, with the result that Dexpot would get confused and think that the window was visible on two desktops simultaneously. I tend to run Thunderbird in #1 and Firefox in #2. Clicking on a link in Thunderbird would cause Firefox to become visible in #1 and #2, which isn't really what I wanted.

      I eventually gave up and now when I have to use Windows I don't use a desktop manager. The irritation of having to deal with all my windows on one desktop is actually less than the irritation of having to deal with a broken desktop manager.

    8. Re:Multiple Desktops by vought · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Even Windows 98 could do what you describe out of the box

      Windows '98 = 1998

      System (Mac OS) 7 = 1991 - but in fact, the multiple monitor support was in the Mac OS as early as 1986.

      QuickDraw was based around a grid coordinate system, so you could place your two (or six, as I did once as a proof of concept with a Macintosh IIfx) monitors in any number of arrangements, instantly. Because the coordinate system was respected by anything that wrote to the screen using QuickDraw, only a very tiny fraction of apps had wonky behavior, such as always writing the top left corner of the window to 0,0 (some bad game ports did this).

      Again, because of QuickDraw's flexibility and rather more enlightened design, you never had the very stupid behavior exhibited by Windows 98 and 2000 of dialog boxes that defaulted to the center of the screen, splitting the dialog among two displays. And you could place monitors in any configuration - even corner to corner if needed. The displays did not need to have identical resolution and bit-depth, as with 98 and 2000, nor did Mac users ever have to use a special video dual-head card simply to ensure that both video cards would work together, as I encountered many times on 2000.

      I think the parent poster's point is proven - the Mac did multiple displays first and better. And while Windows has caught up in some respects, the Mac still does a better job of remembering window positions, etc. when moving from a laptop+large monitor to laptop display configuration.

    9. Re:Multiple Desktops by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does anyone know what holds MS back from adding the Multiple Desktop feature? I know it can be had with 3rd party software, however last time I used one it really slowed down my machine and caused some crashes.

      Lack of customer interest.

    10. Re:Multiple Desktops by jaxtherat · · Score: 2

      Underestimating the user base. Which was also responsible for holding back tabbed browsing.

      I mean shit, it took them to lose something staggering like 30% of their browser market share before they "innovated" some "ground-breaking" features like tabs. Microsoft couldn't innovate themselves out of a paper bag not because they can't, but because they won't:

      Their software is a classic example of design by committee, cater to the lowest common denominator, technically incompetent, near-sightedly project managed software.

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    11. Re:Multiple Desktops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Mac IIfx was released in March 1990, discontinued in April 1992, and it had 6 nubus card slots, each of which could have a video card, and Mac OS then would handle 6 invididual displays quite easily.

      http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112175

    12. Re:Multiple Desktops by log0n · · Score: 2, Informative

      FYI, Mac IIs (his mentioned was a IIFX) had 6 Nubus (video cards, among other things) slots. Back in the day I used a Mac II with at least 4 displays.

    13. Re:Multiple Desktops by vought · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah right like you had six graphics cards in 1991.


      Yes, I did. Because I was working at Apple at the time. My IIfx had 64MB of RAM - that was quite a bit, as the 60ns RAM was both hard to come by and built in 8 bit sticks. With eight slots, you needed eight MB SIMMs. I figure that on the street, the cost of the machine as configured (see below) was well over $25,000.

      In addition to the 80MB SCSI drive, my IIfx had the following graphics cards:

      5x8*24 Graphics cards.
      1x8*24GC (Accelerated with an AMD RISC processor)

      Along with my, uh, regular work, I used this setup to play Hellcats over the Pacific, which was the first flight simulator to support multiple displays for a panoramic cockpit view. Of course, that feature only required three monitors. The rest were for fun.

      Incidentally, the IIfx was not just a 40MHz 68030+68882 FPU - it also had two 6502 processors. One for each serial port.

      If you'll remember, the 6502 was the Apple II's CPU.

  4. Why the translucent menu bar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of all of the new features of Leopard, I really cannot appreciate the addition of translucency to the menu bar. As a long time Mac user this really seems like one of those "because we can" features rather than it making any sense.

    1. Re:Why the translucent menu bar? by drcagn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It won't reduce mouse travel time, because it will increase inaccuracy. One of the great things about the menubar is that it's hard to miss what you're trying to click because you cannot go beyond the top of the screen with your cursor. One quick flick of the wrist with cursor acceleration properly configured will get you where you need to be, whereas in non-menubar GUI models it's easy to 'overshoot' and miss the button you intend to click.

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    2. Re:Why the translucent menu bar? by anagama · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Another major issue with the shared menu bar is that half the time, the app I want to do something with isn't on "top" -- something which is non-obvious when the windows are spread out and not overlapping, but I've already gone up to the menu bar, and then have to go back down and foreground the app (or alt-tab), and then return to the menu bar. This notion of the "on top" application defeats the purpose of multiple and/or large monitors. With enough screen space, everything seems to be "on top".

      Secondly, I don't have this problem of missing the menu bar at all. All of the forwarded X apps I use have the menu bar in the window and my experience is that they are easier to use because of that fact, not harder. As for why they're easier for me, I tend to look first, then travel. When I'm looking at something way off to the right -- easily two feet away from my physical focus -- I have to turn my head to look at the upper left corner after which I'll go there with the mouse. This is harder than simply continuing to look at the application already under my eyes' focus.

      If you'll notice, I said Apple should offer window-bound menu bars as a choice. That way, people who don't work like I do can have things the old way, and I can have things organized conveniently for me. Offering a choice is certainly better than the one-size-fits-all, there-is-only-one-true-way system we have now.

      Finally, after years of complaining, Apple has finally (re)introduced multiple desktops for those who want them. Apparently, choice is good. On that note, only middle-click-paste and window bound menus to go. Perhaps by 10.7.

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  5. mmm... page view whoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  6. Re:Geez... by vux984 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Like the Lisa, the Newton, OS9, those ipods with the super scratcable screen, the puck mouse?

    Apple has pulled its share of boners. Having a string of good products doesn't mean they are automatically super fantastic. They just happen to be super fantastic.

  7. Re:Spotlight enhancements by Malekin · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's pretty damn easy to use as an app launcher now - hit apple-space to open it up, type the first few letters of the app's name in, then hit apple-return to open the top hit. Out of interest, how would you suggest it be made better?

  8. Oh exploitable! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Someone has got to take the time machine visualizer and change the background image to Goatse :D

  9. Re:Geez... by graviplana · · Score: 2, Funny

    You wouldn't understand...

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  10. Re:Let's state the obvious by Winckle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Haha, fisher price PC, that's a good one.

    Btw, my FisherPriceBook Pro has a UNIX core, I ssh into my CS university account from home to do my work, do my programming in what is IMO the best IDE I have had the pleasure to use.

    What "more power" do you have that I don't?

  11. Re:Computerworld Developers by _Pablo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The 2D dock can be enabled using the following:

    defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -boolean YES; killall Dock

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  12. Re:Computerworld Developers by BoldAC · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tech-Recipes got a copy. Here are their first 20 tutorials about the new features of Leopard.

    If you prefer the old dock style, Mac OS X Hints has that tutorial now as well.

    Anybody going for a T-shirt tomorrow?

  13. Re:Computerworld Developers by noidentity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The 2D dock can be enabled using the following: defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -boolean YES; killall Dock

    This is a feature that should be high on anyone's list: the ability to direct someone else to change system settings without having to give them a long GUI script along the lines of "Open this, click here, click there, this should say X, type Y". I just love being able to package up these types of changes into a command-line like that.

  14. Re:Spotlight enhancements by ChrisMounce · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. I did not know that apple-return selects the top of the list! Thanks. 2. Spotlight is fast, but not as fast as a dedicated application launcher (Namely is the one I use). When I type something into Spotlight, it searches the index of the entire drive. With Namely, though, it's searching a list composed solely of applications, which means it is very fast - Spotlight gives a second delay. Also, because it's a more limited list, I can type just a few characters and narrow it down to just a few items in Namely, whereas Spotlight brings up everything that might have to do with that letter combination - no clutter. I know, I know, these are extremely petty complaints - Spotlight provides the same functionality that an application launcher does (and more!). It's just not streamlined for that, I guess.

  15. Re:Extra features? by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What ever happened to those "extra features" Steve promised way back when Leopard was announced?

    Which features are those?

  16. Does Time Machine require a dedicated partition? by Jeremi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A quick question for those of you who have been running the Leopard betas... will I need to dedicate an entire drive (or partition) for Time Machine's exclusive use, or is it possible/okay to tell Time Machine to put its data into a subdirectory inside a drive/partition that is also used for storing other data?

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  17. Re:Let's state the obvious by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ALl of this done with what IMHO is the GREATEST window manager out there and it seems like apple agrees ....they once again "borrowed" most of their "new" features from it.

    Which window manager? And which features did they borrow?

  18. Re:I have to know the answer to this... by vallette · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just because it's a point release doesn't mean it's minor. The "point point" releases (i.e., 10.4.10) are free and contain bug fixes and the occasional new feature--more akin to the a MS SP. The point release are major releases and always include goodies worth paying for.

  19. Re:Does Time Machine require a dedicated partition by Winckle · · Score: 4, Informative

    It makes a directory for itself on the root of the drive, no partitioning needed. :)

  20. Re:Extra features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, I think the biggest development treat in Leopard is Objective C 2.0, which supports garbage collection. I've done a bit of Obj-C development, and a fair bit of C# as well, and I think that the majority of the productivity gains some developers experience when going to languages such as C# and e.g. Python from C is from no longer having to worry about memory management. This is huge news, and I'm wondering why I haven't seen more about it out and around.

  21. Re:I have to know the answer to this... by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac trolling fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while you attempt to rephrase a old troll from kottke.org. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be trolled more often, I'm rarely trolled once a year. If that.

    In addition, during this trolling attempt, I can not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even my assistant is straining to keep awake as you type this.

    I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while waiting for your various trolls, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Wintel troll that has been posted faster than its Mac counterpart, despite Wintel users generally having less of a life, and more time to hang out on Slashdot. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs circles around you, and a small Perl script could out troll you most times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh troll is a superior troll.

    Mac troll addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to troll a Mac user over other faster, cheaper, more stable people.

  22. Re:I have to know the answer to this... by logicassasin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Linux Users: Because the apps I use most frequently don't exist under Linux and have no true equivalents, therefore I buy Windows.

    They are ProTools, Cubase SX3, FL Studio, SoundForge8, Reason 3, Rebirth 2, Flash MX, Illustrator, Vegas, and more.

    The apps I use infrequently, has linux equivalents or exists natively like Eclipse, NetBeans, and assorted FPGA dev apps. I keep both Win32 and Linux machines at home.

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  23. Because it's not a point release at all by eiscir · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because Apple's point releases are called 10.x.y, not 10.x. For instance, Tiger, which is 10.4, was released in April 2005, swiftly followed by 10.4.1, 10.4.2, etc, all the way up to 10.4.10 (the current version) and 10.4.11 (probably the last version, due probably tomorrow). These 'point point' releases provide the 'bug fixes and a few little extras thrown in' that you describe, and are free, automatic downloads through Software Update. It's these 'point point' releases that are equivalent to Microsoft's Service Packs. Leopard, 10.5, isn't a 'point release' at all in anything other than name. The only reason it's called 10.5 and not OS XV is because Apple like having the X/Ten play on words. Y'know, it's after OS 9, but it's also UNIX, ho ho ho. A quick run through http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html will show you that Leopard consists of much more than 'bug fixes and a few little extras thrown in', such as a completely new backup system, redesigned and simplified system preferences, a completely rewritten scheduler, full 64-bit architecture, and a whole lot more.
    Bear in mind that numbering schemes are simply marketing and entirely arbitrary.

  24. Re:Geez... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Current models allow a configuration (via System Preferences) wherein a click is a right-click when two fingers are on the trackpad. And two fingers are used to scroll, as well. I find this solution very satisfactory.

  25. Re:I have to know the answer to this... by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mac users: Why are you guys so quick to buy minor point releases (ie. bug fixes and a few little extras thrown in) of your OS rather than demand that they be freely available like Windows?
    You think this is: Mac OS, version ten dot five. But it works more like: Mac OS Ten, version five.
  26. Re:Extra features? by moosesocks · · Score: 2

    At WWDC 2006, he mentioned that a few big features of Leopard were still under wraps to avoid being ripped off by Microsoft, or (more likely) because they weren't complete, and wouldn't be announced until the product ships...

    My guess at this point is that it was just hype, but who knows?

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  27. Re:I have to know the answer to this... by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the guy above me said, plus I have to ask just what comparable features did Windows XP SR1 and SR2 provide? Integrated backup solutions?New collaborative messaging environments? Major file manager and desktop redesigns? Redesigned mail, notes, and calendaring systems? New graphics and developer subsystems (Core Animation)? Improved performance on existing hardware?

    How about major security upgrades and multicore enhancements? Oh, wait. SR2 did add a firewall, didn't it? In addition to rolling up a couple of hundred security patches.

    My bad.

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  28. Re:Let's state the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Free? Yes. Deos less than 1% of the population even know what BSD is? Answer: Yes. Does less than 1% of the population want to learn BSD? No.

    You mean I can pay $129 and have a great OS? I spent more in time reading the first 20 pages of "Teach youself UNIX" than the cost of that OS. You are a breed that is far from the norm. Realize this, please.

  29. How is this possible? by ShooterNeo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How is this possible? Unfortunately, I haven't been able to google for exactly how MANY developers Microsoft has versus how many apple has....but Microsoft had at least 5000 developers that worked on Windows Vista. While they must have lowered their standards in the last few years, originally microsoft was only hiring top graduates from top schools like MIT and CMU.

    They have a gigantic number of some of the best people they can buy.

    So why does their stuff suck so much by comparison to a small corporation? Apple cannot afford nearly the resources Microsoft has...I wouldn't be surprised if their OS X team had 1/5 the people.

    I know that skill matters...but surely the top of the class people at Microsoft are no worse than the hippies at apple?

    1. Re:How is this possible? by Kent+Recal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's all about the vision. And the people in charge.
      Just compare Steve Jobs to Steve Ballmer (or Billy, fwiw).

      Which of these personalities do you think is more
      likely to design an OS that you would like?

      Ofcourse it doesn't boil down to individuals but looking
      at the heads of a company gives you a good idea of the
      companies mindset.

      Apple is "cool and hip" because the people working
      there *know* what "cool and hip" is.

      Microsoft is not cool and hip because, well, it is
      driven by people like Steve Ballmer.

      The sheer headcount, on the other hand, means
      nothing in the world of software developement.
      Small and well focussed (on the right goals)
      teams will outperform large teams everytime.

      You can read up on that in "the mythical man month"
      and just about any other ressource about project
      management in the software industry.

      In fact, developing "good" software (by any metrics)
      becomes much harder the larger your team gets.
      Programming is not like selling cars. It's more
      comparable to an orchestra. More instrumentalists
      don't necessarily improve the result but definately
      increase the effort to manage them.

    2. Re:How is this possible? by wodgy7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I won't comment on the quality of the programmers -- both companies draw from similar pools -- but the way they manage those programmers is significantly different. Probably the biggest beef I have with Microsoft's management is their devotion to Jack Welch's (of General Electric management fame) idea of doing a company reorganization ("reorg") roughly every 16 months. Not everyone moves around, since certain people don't make sense to move, but there is disruption. This kind of management "theory" makes sense when everyone is viewed as unskilled, interchangeable production units, but it doesn't make sense in software where the value is in slowly acquired knowledge of the source code base, and knowledge of how to interact with everyone on the team to minimize team issues. Reorgs flush some of that away, every time. I realize they teach from Jack Welch's playbook in most MBA programs, but Microsoft needs to abandon this practice. There are other major differences between the two companies attitudes and group dynamics as well. You really have to have worked inside one (or preferably both) to get a good comparison.

      Another, more minor beef, is Microsoft's philosophy that others will put up with things that they wouldn't personally put up with. For instance, internal to Office, Clippy is known as TFC_* in function names... based on a comment from Bill Gates that "I don't want to have to deal with That F*cking Clip every time I want to print." Bill hates it, but he nevertheless still shipped it. In contrast, Jobs would never ship a feature he hated; he'd view it as a personal affront. This attitude pervades Microsoft. For instance, everyone at MS realizes the overly tiered pricing scheme is customer hostile -- they know many customers realize they're being either nickle and dimed or had -- but they still ship it because it maximizes revenue in the short term, regardless of damage to long-term company goodwill. Jobs won't dish out something he wouldn't personally put up with. Perhaps it's ego, or perhaps he understands that Apple's success depends almost entirely on goodwill. This all sounds handwavy, but it's another major difference in the the two company philosophies.

      I could spend all day comparing the two companies; it's fascinating. And no, not everything about Apple's culture is superior.

    3. Re:How is this possible? by dprovine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In 1963, CDC released a computer called the 6600, which was far better than the machines being made by IBM at the time.

      Thomas Watson, IBM's CEO, wrote a memo saying "Last week, Control Data [...] announced the 6600 system. I understand that in the laboratory developing the system there are only 34 people including the janitor. Of these, 14 are engineers and 4 are programmers[.] Contrasting this modest effort with our vast development activities, I fail to understand why we have lost our industry leadership position by letting someone else offer the world's most powerful computer." To which Seymour Cray replied: "It seems like Mr. Watson has answered his own question."

      If you haven't already, you might like to read The Mythical Man-Month, available at a bookseller near you.

    4. Re:How is this possible? by hxnwix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple's OS has to work with less different types of hardware Interesting. So it's "hardware differences" that require start to be clicked in order to shut down windows.

      Look, windows isn't annoying to use because it has to run on a greater variety of hardware. It's annoying to use because it was designed by assholes.
    5. Re:How is this possible? by mjboyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the biggest factors are inertia and target market. Microsoft wants to satisfy as many people as possible and that means satisfying big corporations who are going to make big buys. That means that they are going to have a great deal of resistance to any changes that will require expensive re-training. It's hard to innovate under those circumstances. Furthermore, the Microsoft idea of "winning" is dominance in market share. This leads them to design for the lowest common denominator: something that the greatest number of people will be satisfied with even if no one will be thrilled by it. Apple would much rather have greater mind share and be seen as having the best products, therefor they are willing to make choices that might turn off some, even many or most, users if the changes raise the quality of the product. This makes it much easier to innovate.

    6. Re:How is this possible? by mikeplokta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Two main factors here.

      First, Microsoft is fanatical about backwards compatibility, and Vista has to continue to support every crufty little hack that worked on Windows 3.0 fifteen years ago. Apple will throw you overboard after five years or so -- for example, Classic mode has been removed completely from Leopard and so Mac programs from before the OS X era will no longer run on Macs.

      Second, Apple controls the hardware, and so has to do vastly less programming of device drivers for every motherboard, graphics card, disk controller, etc. that has ever existed. They really just have to worry about third-party USB devices.

    7. Re:How is this possible? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While they must have lowered their standards in the last few years, originally microsoft was only hiring top graduates from top schools like MIT and CMU.

      I know a lot of people who have worked at MS. They do hire a lot of people directly out of school. Mostly, the culture promotes hiring people who have "drank the kool-aid." People straight out of school have often not been exposed to a lot of different, real-world solutions. Smart and experienced are both valuable characteristics, but MS seems to actually avoid the latter intentionally as part of their culture (for standard hiring practices, not in all cases).

      My company is really picky about hiring. Occasionally we hire people from MS who are looking for a change. MS has never hired anyone away from us, although Apple, Google, and Sun all have. Apple, on the other hand has a blended culture, including the old guard Apple UI experts, the NextStep rebels, and people from the traditional UNIX and Linux backgrounds. I think Apple is currently benefitting from the diversity of experience they have, while MS is suffering from group think and over management.

      Also, being a monopoly MS makes money no matter what they do, whereas Apple goes out of business or people get fired if they don't consistently improve the product. At the highest level, Apple has to compete which drives them to innovate, while MS does not have to compete to make money and in fact can make more money by figuring out technological methods of gouging their existing customer base. How many of the technologies added to the last few versions of Windows were designed to benefit MS and MS's partners RIAA, MPAA, rather than to benefit end users.

  30. Lisa by shmlco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't consider Lisa to be a boner. A strong argument can be made that without the work done on Lisa we wouldn't have the Mac, OR Windows for matter. At least in their present forms and on the same timeline.

    Yes, $10,000 per system was probably a bit strong... but consider that a good computer at the time would still set you back $5,000, that hard drives were so expensive they were considered only for workgroup solutions, and that Xerox expected people to pony up one HUNDRED thousand dollars for a Star system.

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  31. Re:This news story by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Not like I wouldn't recommend leopard over vista. Heck I would try it if it wasn't for the fact I would have to buy another computer just to TRY it...


    Funny, I can say the same thing about Vista...

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  32. Double Standard by MBoffin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "If your computer doesn't meet those specs, it's time to upgrade your hardware or stick with Tiger for now. And if you're still running Mac "Classic" OS apps, forget it. Leopard drops support for what was once Mac OS 9."

    So when Vista needs beefier hardware and some Windows 98 apps are broken on it, the reason is because Microsoft sucks and it's their fault for requiring a current computer to run their current OS. But when Leopard needs beefier specs, it's the user's fault they haven't upgraded by now and it's all taken in stride.

    I get it. Makes total sense.

    1. Re:Double Standard by WaltFrench · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I get it. Makes total sense. Maybe you could share the wisdom that's not apparent in being sarcastic about two totally strawman arguments.

      When a useless / overpriced upgrade shows up, we say, "meh," and move on, maybe wondering what happened to the firm we once kinda partnered with. OTOH, we'll cuss or flame when we feel the cost is too high, but we're locked in. As in, the VirusBorg will own you if you don't upgrade, but it'll cost you $299 plus a bunch of compatibility hassles that could triple that cost if your time is worth more than $2.15/hour.

      So, are you locked into upgrading to Leopard on Day One but aggravated about the $129 plus an hour plus a bunch of hassles with Adobe, Filemaker or others? In contrast, was Vista dead easy cuz your machine was fully capable; you had no driver or other hardware incompatibilities; you lost zero legacy software; you had a coupon to do it for free and you knew if it wasn't a walk in the park, at least it'd be a worthy intellectual challenge? And the enhanced features or speed or ease-of-use worth way more than all that? Izzat what you're saying?

      Guess I don't get it. Whose double standard?
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  33. Re:I have to know the answer to this... by steveoc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are ProTools, Cubase SX3, FL Studio, SoundForge8, Reason 3, Rebirth 2, Flash MX, Illustrator, Vegas, and more.

    Agree with you there. At least for sound apps things have been evolving quite rapidly lately :

    Ardour, Rosegarden, LMMS (with VST and LADSPA), Hydrogen, AMS, Mixxx

    Are not in the same ballpark as far as polish, consistency, printed manuals and a general sense of finishedness goes ... but they are well on par (if not superior) in terms of functions. They are all miles ahead in terms of expandability compared to the existing big name applications.

    For the brave, especially if you set yourself up with Qt4 and use SVN versions of all of the above, its quite a revelation to see where OpenSource 'pro audio' is actually up to today. And yet, its still in its infancy.

    The important thing though is that these Open Source audio apps growing and getting better at a MUCH faster rate than the commercial offerings. Not saying that is a reason for you to go throw your existing stuff in the bin just yet .. but its very much worth getting your hands dirty with. I reckon you might really enjoy the experience too.

    One minor area where Open Source audio apps absolutely kills the big name commercial apps is the online community - the users, experienced musos, and the developers are all one and the same people. They are not just composing music, they are reversing engineering hardware like the new Vestax mixing deck, they are doing spectrum analysis on Pioneer's deck to work out the freq cooefficients for the low/mid/hi filters, they are writing OpenGL visualisations and refactoring and redocumenting messy old C++. Its a different sort of user community, and it makes simply using the software an absolute blast. I think you would love it given your existing depth of knowledge with music tools.

    Some of the audio tools are actually good enough and stable enough RIGHT NOW for live performance in front of real paying audiences. I use LMMS and Mixxx for live performances in nightclubs already, but Im still trying to get my head around Ardour at the moment for multi track recording. LearningCurve++.

    Open source audio is not better or worse than commercial audio apps - but it is different enough in a worthwhile way.

    For graphics work, blender + gimp has always been good enough for me, but Im not a graphics pro. I dont see that there is a problem with the vector graphics tools under linux though. There are scriptiong things I can do in python with both gimp and blender that dont have equivalents with the commercial side. Again, its not about being better or worse - its a different way of doing things that makes it worthwhile to get into.

    For web stuff, Ive never seen the big need to use the full Macromedia tools to do any really flash stuff. The open source ways of achieving the same effects are all left brain tools (as opposed to the more right brain tools like MX) .. but then again that suits me fine. Same comment applies - its about taking a different approach rather than trying to be better.

    And look at everything that Google has been able to do on the web by using purely open methods, which is worth pondering.

    Wow - and you write Java code, AND you do FPGA design as well as working on music. I would LURVE to spend a couple of days in the same office as you, and/or drink at the same places as you. Anytime you are in my town, please drop by and spend a couple of days with us here, its a very long journey by air, but it would be right up your alley Im sure.

    PS: LOL over being modded Troll -1. There are some real losers on slashdot these days. Used to be good when my user ID made me stand out as a n00b :)

  34. Transparent Menu Bar (Partial) Fix? by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hope at least there is some way to disable it
    I don't have Leopard, but couldn't you edit your desktop picture to just put a white bar at the top? That would sit under the menu bar, making it look less transparent, I would think.
  35. Clean install for me. by TeamSPAM · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unlike my general experience with OS X, I've been having to reboot my dual G4 desktop every other day for the past week. I've repaired the disk via the install disk, but the lock up are still happening. Since Leopard is coming out this week, I've bought a new HD to install on and will try the migration assistant.

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  36. Anti-piracy "features"? by ChangeOnInstall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was thinking about picking this up tomorrow evening, but I was first curious to know if it had any new anti-piracy features like Vista? Is there any activation/mandatory phoning home of any kind? Is there anything preventing me from installing it on more than one computer (I do not intend to, but anything that does this is likely to prevent some fraction of people from using it legally). Are there any new MPAA/RIAA-oriented features in it similar to Vista's protected video path?

    I only want to buy this thing if it's a step forward from 10.4.

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    1. Re:Anti-piracy "features"? by Winckle · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, none at all, apple only have serial keys on their super expensive pro apps.

  37. Re:Slower G4s by abhi_beckert · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've seen it run on a 1Ghz G4. Some of the new features are a little chuggy (spaces, stationary in mail, etc), but it works fine overall. I'm planning to install it on an 800Mhz G4 iBook, I think it'll run fine.

    Both of those machines have maxed out ram. I'd recommend at least 1GB of ram for average usage patterns, more if you're into multi-tasking.

    As for features that existed on both Tiger and Leopard? Many of them are much faster on leopard than tiger. Spotlight absolutely screams on leopard. Results start appearing as you lift your finger from the key, even on the 1Ghz G4. I've uninstalled quicksilver, since spotlight is just as fast now.

  38. Videos which shows the difference by aliquis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let these videos show you what the parent mean, they kind of explains the difference of Steve Jobs vs Ballmer quite good:
    Jobs and mac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSiQA6KKyJo
    Ballmer and Win 1.0: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk

    Pick your flavour :D

    Regarding small vs large teams, a good example of this may be the development of DragonFlyBSDs Hammer filesystem vs Suns ZFS, we'll see how fast Hammer gets done thought :)

  39. You have got to be kidding by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It amuses me that 90% of the comments here that are above my minimum-score filter are intelligent retorts to completely unfounded or inaccurate Apple slams.

    This is like a testament to a new phenomenon- battered-user syndrome. You won't get a divorce because you've already invested so much...

  40. Classic apps are not what you think they are... by argent · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ther is a bit of a double standard, yes, but dropping support for OS 9 isn't like droping support for Windows 98. The Win32 API in Vista is basically and ancestor of the Win32 API in Vista. OS 9 apps, on the other hand, are a whole different kettle of fish.

    OS 9 wasn't a modern operating system. As an OS it was, in many ways, decades behind Windows 98. The OS 9 API was based on a model where memory management and scheduling by the OS simply didn't happen... the application got a chunk of REAL memory and until it voluntarily gave up the CPU noting could touch it. To work around this, they created a really gimpy partition model. Multitasking in classic Mac OS was handled conceptually through the window system... there really wasn't an OS underneath it at all, not even as much as there was in Windows 3.1.

    Jobs wanted to get rid of the ghastly classic Mac OS API in 1997, but Adobe and a few other big manufacturers dug their heels in and told him they'd abandon the Mac if he didn't come up with a way forward.

    So first of all he came up with a bridge API called "Carbon". Carbon applications got an API that couldn't do all the fugly old classic stuff, but were ready to at least run on Rhapsody (what OS X was originally going to be called) once it was revamped to support it. Carbon was introduced for OS 8 and became a standard part of OS 9. After OS X came out people really pushed developers to switch to Carbon... but there were still a bunch of die-hards that insisted on running some software from 1994 that had no Carbon version.

    Several times in the early 2000s Jobs pulled the last G4 Powermac capable of booting OS 9 and running classic apps native, rather than under the "classic" emulation environment. Each time there was an outcry... until 2005, when it vanished and nobody complained. Six months later he announced the Intel macs that would not ever be able to run pre-carbon "classic" apps from the dark ages.

    MOST apps released *for* OS 9 are not "classic", they're carbon-based, and run under Rosetta.

    Most apps released before OS 9 have been carbonised.

    NO intel macs have ever been able to run pre-carbon apps.

    Don't think of this like Microsoft abandoning Windows 98 apps. Think of it like Microsoft abandoning apps that needed direct access to hardware registers and video memory. The kind of stuff you have to run under Bochs even on Windows XP. It just sounds worse because Apple left it SO late to get rid of that old "application-centric" environment and actually ship an operating system that was actually an operating system.

    The real double standard is the resistance of Apple fanboys to admit just how bloody awful OS 9 was.

    1. Re:Classic apps are not what you think they are... by argent · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are trying to give Apple a pass on an issue they really don't deserve one. They could have used even a nominal virtualization system if they were not going to create a subsystem capable OS structure like MS did with NT to ensure support for non main OS level APIs.

      And it's a bloody good thing they didn't. OS 9 was not even up to the level of Windows 3.1. It wasn't up to the level of Win16 or Win32s. The classic Mac OS API was so bloody horrible that it should have been dragged screaming down to hell along with Yrkoon of Melnibone's black soul on Strombringer's burning blade. Steve Jobs did the whole computer industry when he shoved a stake in its curdled and stinking heart. It was so bad that when I read "Inside Mac" in 1985 I was convinced that the Mac was doomed and got an Amiga... it was like reading an orchestral score for the kazoo and 32 sackbutts in 17/23 time. The shenanigans you had to go through to safely use pointers. The complete lack of scheduling. God damn you to Moorcock's hell for making me remember this stuff... writing classic Mac applications was like writing device drivers for a pre-thread operating system... you had to put bloody sequence points in and guarantee that they got hit every N milliseconds or the whole grand multitasking illusion would come tumbling down. It was so bad that an early G3 running classic Mac OS was less responsive than a 68030 running NeXTSTeP... I had the two of them running next to each other and the contrast was appalling.

      Apple's real crime was waiting as long as they did before killing it. And now it's dead I'm glad, I tell you, glad!

  41. Re:Computerworld Developers by toddestan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the other hand, it seems that so many things in OSX have to be tweaked in this manner. I wouldn't expect the typical user to be able to figure that one out, or how to undo it should they decide they want the 3D dock back for that matter. Atleast if you direct the user to some panel, there is some hope that they might remember how to get there in the futere.

  42. Already in Tiger by Foerstner · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.hiram.nl/ipsedixit/artikel/793/boolean-search-in-spotlight

    Undocumented, and the syntax is very picky and non-obvious.

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  43. Re:Computerworld Developers by Daengbo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is this sarcasm that went over everyone's head? It's always the first complaint about Linux systems. "I don't want to use a command line!" (I'm a long-time user and prefer the command line for many things,though)

  44. Re:Extra features? by aliquis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The buy cinema tickets widget!! I'm amazed that found its place in Steves 10 features list at WWDC07, kind of prove there wasn't much intresting ;D

    I guess ZFS may had been one of those top secret features. Or under the hood changes. Or stuff they haven't had time to finalize yet.

  45. minimum install by pauldavidgriffiths · · Score: 2, Informative

    hello. i'm just wondering what the minimum install size is for leopard? without ilife, iphoto etc. because i'm after a compact flash card for my macbook, i already have a compact flash to sata adaptor and was hoping to fit leopard on on a fast 8gb card as i can't afford a fast 16gb card and don't want a slow card. in my normal install i only use safari, itunes, ichat and the terminal. iphoto, photobooth etc. isn't installed. i also have a few small third-party programs, that probably don't even amount to 50 mb additional. so, anyone any ideas if i could manage to squeeze that all on an 8gb card? i'd use an external 2.5-inch drive for my itunes library, films, and either that or a networked drive for time machine.

  46. Re:Extra features? by egomaniac · · Score: 3, Informative

    Leopard is no more resolution independent than Tiger was. If you enable it via Quartz Debug you'll see that it's horribly buggy and unusable even with Apple's own applications. Or at least it was as of 9a559, I haven't checked with the GA version.

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  47. Re:Time Machine - backups? by c_forq · · Score: 4, Informative

    But it does backup your computer. You can examine the disk from other Macs, and the first backup it makes is of your entire system so it can do a complete system restore if need be.

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  48. Re:Time Machine - backups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know this is slashdot, but could you please at least read about a feature before commenting on it?

    Time Machine most certainly will allow a user to recover files and "will help me recover my files if my computer dies, is stolen, or is unexpectedly repossessed by nature". Indeed, you can recover a totally cratered computer - 10.5 setup will let you restore from a time machine backup as part of the OS install process.

    I was also pleased to find out that Apple does indeed do incremental backups of data using a differential methodology (i.e. not making a whole copy of a changed file, but only recording the new information in the file as part of the backup). They do it using a variant of system links. This saves a ton of space and might actually let you have a decent version history to restore from.

    Time Machine is like VSS, except it's actually useful to an end user - and unlike VSS, it backs up to a physically different hard drive so you are protected from hardware failure for just the scenario's you outline.

  49. Re:Time Machine by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Acronis isn't a good example...

    When you see Time Machine think Vista 'Previous Versions' with a prettier UI, and no ability to track or keep file changes on the volume.

    Vista does both on volume backup copies of changes and external backups automatically, and presents them in the same 'previuos versions' UI timeline list.

    Just like Time Machine, in Vista you can view folders or documents at any previous time whether they are a recent change that is still stored on the volume or a backup from six months ago on an external hard drive.

    Vista also does this more transparently, without the need for application integration because of its simplicity in accessing the previous version via a simple open/save dialog box.

    Time Machine's UI is much prettier, but since it has less functionality than Vista, and adds overhead by backuping up files every hour, the pretty UI doesn't make up for the lack of features.

    Does anyone else find it strange that Vista's backup and previous version system is more advanced than OS X's Time Machine, and yet you hardly ever see it mentioned on a review or when people are talking about Vista. Apple adds a generic version of the same thing, and the press and fans go wild...

    And I'm not even saying this to discount OS X's Time Machine, as it is a good feature and a great feature for OS X and Mac users, but strange how something gets accolades when Apple does it, and is dismissed when Microsoft does it and even technically does it better.

  50. Re:Time Machine - backups? by NMerriam · · Score: 3, Informative

    When I think of "backups", I tend to think "this will help me recover my files if my computer dies, is stolen, or is unexpectedly repossessed by nature".


    That's what Time Machine does. If you put the Leopard install DVD into a new Mac, one of your options is to plug in a Time Machine disk and restore your whole old system to the new computer. That's as backed up as any backup system I've ever used (and a hell of a lot easier).
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  51. Re:Computerworld Developers by Riquez · · Score: 5, Funny

    the ability to direct someone else to change system settings without having to give them a long GUI script along the lines of "Open this, click here, click there, this should say X, type Y"
    Indeed, the conversation would probably go like this..
    noidentity: OK, open up the terminal
    user: What? Is that in my Dock?
    noidentity:..erm ok, then go to HD > Applications > Utilities > Terminal
    user:OK
    noidentity:Now type defaults write com...
    user:Where do i write 'com', on my note pad?
    noidentity:no, no I mean type write
    user:I don't have a type writer
    noidentity:sigh. No, the word write, type the word write
    user:I think i typed it right, w r i g h t thats right, right?
    --- Time Passes ---
    noidentity:OK, now, using the keyboard on your computer, type the following words -boolean YES;
    user:Whats a hyphen?
    --- sound of gunshot ---
    user:Hello?
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  52. Re:Time Machine by nuckin+futs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Vista does both on volume backup copies of changes and external backups automatically, and presents them in the same 'previuos versions' UI timeline list.
    Just like Time Machine, in Vista you can view folders or documents at any previous time whether they are a recent change that is still stored on the volume or a backup from six months ago on an external hard drive.
    Vista also does this more transparently, without the need for application integration because of its simplicity in accessing the previous version via a simple open/save dialog box.


    may I ask which version of Vista does this or where the settings are for it? I'm looking around my basic version (which BTW costs more than Leopard) and I can't seem to find those settings and features.

  53. Re:Computerworld Developers by josephdrivein · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was wondering the same. What about the discussion I've seen so many times:
    Slashdotter1: Check out the source code with svn
    Slashdotter2: What if I don't have svn installed?
    Slashdotter1: #aptitude install subversion
    Slashdotter2: What the heck is supposed to be that? I don't wanna type some obscure command line!!!!!1

    We should say every time: click the "K" in the bottom left corner of your screen, or the "Applications" label at the top left of your screen or...

  54. Re:Extra features? by NMerriam · · Score: 2, Informative

    if you are in column view (my favorite), and you click on a "special" location, like your home directory, the Applications folder, Documents, etc., you are rooted to that spot. That is, your horizontal scroll bar disappears.


    10.5 doesn't do this. The Finder didn't change much at all (IMHO) between 10.1 and 10.4, but it's been totally rebuilt in 10.5. If the Finder has annoyed you in the past for any other reasons, chances are you'll like 10.5 much, much better (it has it's own quirks, but they're not the kind that make you want to kill the programmers).
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  55. Re:Computerworld Developers by dal20402 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know, don't feed the trolls. I can't resist this one.

    Let's see those "couple of tweaks." Give us the details -- scripts, source code, whatever you like -- for how in "a couple of tweaks" you'll make Linux act like Leopard. Make sure to include Time Machine, Core Graphics, and Back to my Mac.

    These will be impressive tweaks! I can't wait.

  56. Re:Time Machine by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, maybe it wasn't a failure of marketing after all, since "Previous Versions/Volume Shadow Copy" pales in comparison to the usability of Apple's Time Machine.

    Actually I agree with you on the marketing department failures of Microsoft. Microsoft's marketing has always sucked, and especially in comparison to Apple. Microsoft can market a nugget of gold and people will see it as a rock, Apple can market a rock and people will see it as gold.

    As for the usability, I did say time machine was prettier, but I wouldn't say easier or more usable. Like I mentioned before, MS's version of the technology works seamlessly as it is available from a right click from any folder or dialog box, even in applications that are as old as Win3.1 days. And even though it isn't as pretty, right clicking on a folder or file is pretty easy to do.

    Apple's Time Machine is pretty but it 'needs' the applications to be time machine aware to take full advantage of the features.

    MS technology just happens transparently at the FS level which OS X can't do and it also extends to backups like OS X's Time Machine. If Apple could have gotten ZFS working as the default FS, they could have used the feature that ZFS and NTFS share to make the on volume realtime backups like Vista does.

    But I completely agree on the marketing issue, it is something Microsoft just doesn't get, and even when they have something of value, it never seems to either make news or even gets to the people reviewing Micrsoft products that 'should' know about it as they are technology journalists.

    Going back to the Win98 days, it was the first time I can remember thinking, why doesn't anyone talk about the important features that make such a difference between Win98 and Win95. Things like realtime sound mixing at the OS level, GUI scripting & automation, etc.

    And to this day, most people can't even list a lot of these distinctions between Win98 and Win98 or other OSes of the time, that were very much revolutionary or worth noticing.

    Strangly, it is kind of sad, as some 'bright' developers at Microsoft put good work into something and even Microsoft doesn't publically show off the features, and the rest of the world never seems to see them either.

    Heck I wouldn't even know many things about MS products if it weren't for the strange areas of work I'm involved with that bridge UI and OS studies and also being exposed to things at a development level.

    One really strange thing is during the Alpha and Beta phases of products like Vista, or Win98, you learn more about the architecture and features of the OS than is ever revealed to the majority of the public and tech community. Maybe MS needs to have their developers step in and write part of their marketing, because a lot is lost between them and what the sales and marketing put out.

    Sorry for the long post, ended up venting about MS instead of just responding. Take Care

  57. Re:Spotlight enhancements by nedaf7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, in Leopard you can just do the search, then hit Return to open the top hit. This is because the top hit is selected by default, rather than "Show All" as in Tiger.

  58. Preferences deemed harmful! by LKM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But that's the point: Normal users aren't really supposed to figure this out. As a software developer and UI designer, it's part of my job to make sure every UI decision doesn't result in a new preference. 90% of the time, preferences are cop-outs: If the design team can't decide on what solution is best, they make it a checkbox. Don't do that. It's your job to figure out the best solution, don't burden the user with it.

    What Apple does is the right thing: Make what they think is best default. Don't make preference for it. But if somebody absolutely needs to have his Dock look different, give him a way that does not involve changing the actual application resources.

  59. Re:Computerworld Developers by LKM · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Go to your Apple Menu, select System Preferences. Now click on "Sharing" and on "Remote Access." Click "Start." Tell me the number it says at the bottom of your window. Okay, now wait 10 minutes." :-)

  60. Choice is not good by LKM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've just written about this: Don't make preferences until you absolutely have to. Furthermore, it wouldn't work: Many Mac applications have no windows. Why would, say, an unzip application need a Window? Unless you unzip an actual file, there's no need to show a window; so where would you put the menu bar? What about applications that have small windows, but wide menus?

    It just makes no sense.

    1. Re:Choice is not good by LKM · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They all have dock icons, and dock icons have menus.

      If that is your solution, I can rest my case.

      It's not your job to shove a worse solution for me down my throat, just because you think it's the best one.

      Actually, this is exactly my job; I think it's even what my card says, minus the personal insults :-)

      You only find this surprising because you're not used to it because not a lot of people who are responsible for UI on Windows and Linux actually take care of their responsibility. It's always easier to go with preferences, or with what the majority likes best. This is a cop-out, and UI designers should be ashamed of themselves if they don't have the cojones to stand up for their applications and implement the best solution.

      Also, "the best solution" has got nothing to do with what I think. This is science; the best UI solution for any given issue can be found using proper application of theory (see Fitt's law), usability tests and UI iterations.

  61. Re:Computerworld Developers by vertigoCiel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is one thing that many of my PC-using friends complain about with respect to OS X: it's too hard to tweak/hack. Apple tends to make it very hard for a person without at least cursory knowledge of the internals of OS X and Unix, as well as familiarity with a CLI, to modify the OS. While I'm sure most of my friends would be able to figure out OS X's guts pretty quickly, the fact that they don't see the options for deeper tweaking right in, say, System Preferences, leads them to conclude that it's not possible.

    Personally, I think that this is a good thing - it creates sort of a minimum competency barrier for tooling around with the OS. If you're knowledgeable enough to know how to change things, you're probably knowledgeable enough to know how to fix it if something goes wrong. Meanwhile, the average user never has to see any of these things if they don't want to, and are much less likely to accidently screw something up by mucking about in preference panes.

  62. External drive... by argent · · Score: 2, Informative

    When I think of "backups", I tend to think "this will help me recover my files if my computer dies, is stolen, or is unexpectedly repossessed by nature".

    That's why Apple goes on about making the backup to an external drive. Using the same drive is foolishness.

    The Time Machine feature is more of an archive than a backup.

    A real backup system needs to provide both mirroring and archiving facilities. Most "backup" software I've seen only does mirroring. Time Machine adds archiving to that.

  63. Re:Time Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This article should clear up your confusion about Time Machine.

    From the article (page 3):
    The Time Machine settings in System Preferences show the time scheduled for the next backup. When that time arrives, it displays a progress thermometer during the backup, which typically only takes a few seconds, unless you've generated a huge amount of new content in the last hour. Again, that's because Time Machine doesn't scan through your entire drive looking for changes, but rather only consults FSEvents for a listing of what has changed recently.

    and more from page 4...
    Time Machine has been frequently compared to Microsoft's Shadow Copy (or Volume Snapshot Service), because both systems involve file backup. In reality, they are not really very similar at all. Microsoft uses the background Shadow Copy service to duplicate files on the same disk. Those shadow copies record a "snapshot" of the file at a given moment in time, and can be accessed by the user using Previous Versions (which shows up in the file properties viewer), or tapped into by an external network backup system. Backing up these "shadow copies" simply prevents the external backup system from running into problems trying to back up live files that may be locked by the user working on them.

    The data backup features related to Shadow Copy are only useful if a Windows machine is running in an environment with a server backing them up. Shadow Copy is not in itself a backup system, although it can present a listing of duplicated files that were captured by the shadow copy service. Without a dedicated backup system, Previous Versions only shows local shadows of a file. It does not copy files to an external disk for safekeeping, and its shadow copies can't be browsed through by the user in the file system by date or by query. Shadow Copy is certainly not an easy to use consumer backup solution (nor is intended to be), which is what Time Machine expressly is.

    In Windows Vista, Microsoft also tied Shadow Copy into System Restore, which allows users to roll back their entire PC software install to a previous point in time. This is not a backup system either; it's a system wide undo. System Restore is oriented around undoing the problems caused by installing a software title, a Windows software update, an unsigned hardware driver, or some other event that causes problems that need to be rolled back. It doesn't go back and find something lost from the past; it reverts the clock to a previous checkpoint and throws away the future from that point forward. System Restore is not even loosely related to Time Machine in what it does, how it does it, or why it exists.


    Actually, their whole series on Leopard called The Road to Mac OS X Leopard is rather good. Lots of facts and history.

  64. Re:Time Machine by harrisg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple's Time Machine is pretty but it 'needs' the applications to be time machine aware to take full advantage of the features.

    MS technology just happens transparently at the FS level which OS X can't do and it also extends to backups like OS X's Time Machine. If Apple could have gotten ZFS working as the default FS, they could have used the feature that ZFS and NTFS share to make the on volume realtime backups like Vista does. This is wrong. See my previous anonymous post.

    Time Machine doesn't require any special changes to applications although it offers some cool stuff that way. It's main purpose is to be a complete backup system that actually gets used because it's helpful and doesn't get in the way. Vista's Shadow Copy doesn't backup to a second hard drive. Shadow Copy also doesn't restore files that have been deleted. Those are the two main purposes of Time Machine. From what I can tell Vista's Shadow Copy appears to be no lower to the file system than Time Machine and FSEvents.
  65. Australian's got theirs early... by GrahamCox · · Score: 2, Informative

    Leopard was launched here at 6pm in stores too - so nyah-ya!

    One thing I am noticing having installed it is that a) Spotlight reindexes all your stuff and b) if you enable Time Machine it also does a heavy-duty initial copy. These two processes happening simultaneously hit the disk pretty hard and doubtless cause it to zap all over the place. The upshot is a lot of disk thrashing and rather stuttery performance on things like the dock animation for the first two or three hours. YMMV (MacBook 13" 2GHz here). I expect it to settle down after this - but still in that initial period as I write this.

    Also, the initial run of the Set-up Assistant failed to recognise my existing wireless network, and got thoroughly confused when I tried to enter the information manually as it requested. In the end I simply quit it to find that by default Leopard had turned off Airport. Turning it on again found my network and connected without any problems, so if you run into this, just tell Setup Assistant to get lost and enable it yourself.

  66. Re:resolution independence... by thevil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Give it a try today with iGianTunes:

    (Fire up terminal and write)

    defaults write com.apple.iTunes AppleDisplayScaleFactor 10

    or perhaps smallishTunes:

    defaults write com.apple.iTunes AppleDisplayScaleFactor 0.20

    Also works fine for the whole OS:

    defaults write NSGlobalDomain AppleDisplayScaleFactor 0.20

  67. Re:yeah, but it's not bootable :-( by Winckle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah i know where you are coming from with the non bootable thing, but you don't have to install leopard then restore time machine. As part of the installation leopard will ask you if you have a time machine folder with data you want to restore.

  68. Re:Computerworld Developers by godawful · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't even have to go that far anymore..
    Launch iChat, Share screen..

    voila

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  69. Apple has a sense of humor.. by inotocracy · · Score: 2, Funny