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China's President Hu Talks IT Warfare

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narramissic writes "In his keynote speech at the Communist Party Congress in October China's president Hu Jintao was specific in his references to one area of IT: defense. 'We must build strong armed forces through science and technology. To attain the strategic objective of building computerized armed forces and winning IT-based warfare, we will accelerate composite development of mechanization and computerization, carry out military training under IT-based conditions, modernize every aspect of logistics, intensify our efforts to train a new type of high-caliber military personnel in large numbers and change the mode of generating combat capabilities.'"

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  1. Bullshit Bingo Winner! by trolltalk.com · · Score: 5, Funny

    >"We must build strong armed forces through science and technology. To attain the strategic objective of building computerized armed forces and winning IT-based warfare, we will accelerate composite development of mechanization and computerization, carry out military training under IT-based conditions, modernize every aspect of logistics, intensify our efforts to train a new type of high-caliber military personnel in large numbers and change the mode of generating combat capabilities."

    Filled my bullshit bingo card across, down, and both diagonals! Sure he doesn't work in marketing?

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    1. Re:Bullshit Bingo Winner! by El+Lobo · · Score: 2
      Well, his speech sounds a lot like CIA's:

      http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3649/is_199607/ai_n8752654

      CIA director calls for cyber-war defense center

      The director of the CIA last week said the U.S. will set up a defense center to combat the growing threat of terrorists and criminals out to bring down vital network systems.

      CIA Director John Deutch said the threat of organized information warfare is likely to grow, raising the prospect of an "electronic Pearl Harbor."

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    2. Re:Bullshit Bingo Winner! by CodeBuster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure he doesn't work in marketing?

      Well, in a manner of speaking, he does work in marketing. He is pitching his sales strategy to his customers who buy into it by supporting him, continuing to approve of his policies, and ultimately keep him in power. I am not certain, but if I had to guess I would say that the unique and opaque culture of the Chinese government bureaucracy, complete with back room deals, shifting political allegiances, corruption, the gulag, and all the intrigues that accompany any non-representative government, whether it be an oriental despotism like the Byzantine Empire or a modern scientific socialism like China (at least officially), is a major contributing factor in the copious amount of nauseating and pompous bullshit bingo which emerges in these quinquennal (occuring once every five years) meetings of the Congress of People's Deputies (I think that is what they call themselves). Compared with these guys, the US presidential candidates are downright honest, frank, and forthcoming.

    3. Re:Bullshit Bingo Winner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Presumably he was speaking in Chinese and this is just a translation with added bullshit to emphasize the China = Evil viewpoint.

    4. Re:Bullshit Bingo Winner! by couchslug · · Score: 2, Funny

      The ChiComs have arrived.
      He even sounds like our public affairs flacks, and let's face it, human wave attacks are SO 1950s!

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    5. Re:Bullshit Bingo Winner! by trolltalk.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot, with a satanist saying you should be "perfected", that Christians don't really know god, etc.

      Anyone who really loved someone wouldn't do what Coulter does. She doesn't love jews. Love includes respect. And that includes respect for their choices - including religion - not going around saying "we're the Fed-Ex to God", and that jews, or any other people, need to be "perfected". That implies 2 things - that Coulter believes she's "perfected" and others aren't.

      If Coulter really wants to get people to convert, she should walk the walk, not talk the talk. And the first step would be to foreswear going around throwing gasoline everywhere and trying to strike sparks. Her brand of christianity is the "resounding like a hollow gong" mentioned in 1 Cor 13.

      Thank God I'm an Atheist.

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    6. Re:Bullshit Bingo Winner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...more likely the other way around. The USA is the world's aggressor now, you know.

    7. Re:Bullshit Bingo Winner! by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...more likely the other way around. The USA is the world's aggressor now, you know.

      It's a shame that we are not more so. Maybe we could have stopped things like the Darfur or Rwanda massacres. Then again, even though we do have the world's largest military, we can't do it all without a little help. Hell, if we even got a little moral support it would go a long way. Instead, we get people from pussy nations like yours that want to debate everything at the UN while men, women and children are dying... quite literally. When was the last time a UN resolution saved anyone's life? When was the last time a debate convinced a dictator that holding and torturing political prisoners isn't a good thing? When was the last time the UN sent peace keepers to a nation and was actually able to keep the peaces. Last I heard, they either stood around within their walls and watched thugs steal the food the UN was trying to provide, run at the first sign of danger, or... and this is my favorite, rape the people they were sent to protect. Sorry to bring you back to real world, but sometimes you have to kick some ass to get things done. Asking nicely doesn't always work.

      Finally, if you read your comment, you are defending a country that gives no human rights to its citizens. You are defending a country that literally rolled out tanks against an unarmed population. It limits the news, strips the Internet of any information that may be critical of the government and not just invades, but occupies foreign countries with no intention of ever leaving. I am the only one who sees the irony here?

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    8. Re:Bullshit Bingo Winner! by khallow · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, I don't think I'll give you a break here. First, we can eliminate the largest category of disaffected, people shall be second-guessing the 2000 elections forever, but they won't be able to come up with a coherent explanation for why, after the fact, they could have done better. The margin of error in such a close contest is greater than the vote difference. And no matter how you spin it, there is no legal way to determine the victor in such situations. The second largest group, latino and black soldiers in military, serve by choice. Children can have access to medicaid in the circumstances you describe.

      Most of the poor mexicans tortured by redneck police, are tortured by Mexican redneck police in Mexico. I don't know which way they'd swing. And while phone tapping and the unconstritutional trials in Guantanamo are obscene, that doesn't leave a lot of people to agree with you.

    9. Re:Bullshit Bingo Winner! by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can't solve everything with brute force either .

      That's why we waited for 12 years and through 19 UN resolutions before going into Iraq. We tried every option conceivable before using overwhelming force, including the use of limited force. Nothing worked. I guess it didn't matter as some people think that force is absolutely never the answer. These are the people that would rather learn German see the rest of Jews sent to the showers than to actually go to war.

      Same thing is happening in Iran today.


      Those people are used to strong leaders . So it is likely that any democracy you install will eventually degrade into a dictatorship. Granted , it will be one that supports the US , but it's still no benefit to the people .

      and one that won't invade its neighbors, at least. Still, we have to try.

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    10. Re:Bullshit Bingo Winner! by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because little ol' Iran is such a huge threat to the colossal USA...

      I guess that is the difference between my country and wherever you are from. We will fight to defend those that can not defend themselves. We don't just think of ourselves. We believe that human rights come from God, not man and it is our duty to see that the people of the world are given the chance. We are not content to stand idly by as millions of innocents get slaughtered (Rwanda, Darfur) where as the UN, the organization mean to stop countries like Iran from developing nuclear weapons and was created to stop genocide can do little more than write a strongly worded letter.

      USA, who, I might add, has the most history of nuclear weapons abuse in the history of mankind.

      Uh, we dropped two bombs on a country that was throughly defeated, but refused to surrender. Dropping those two bombs (what you call abuse), while horrific to the peoples of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, saved the lives of millions who would have suffered through the relentless bombing. All of Japan would have looked like Berlin at the end of WWII. So, what you call "abuse" actually saved cities like Tokyo. For that matter, there were parts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki unscathed by the attacks. Places like Dresden did not fare so well. Because of those two bombs, Japan came out of WWII a lot better than Germany. Or do you think a relentless carpet bombing, a naval blockade that would starve the Japanese citizens, and a continuation of the bloody island hopping campaign leading up to another Omaha Beach in Japan would have been better for both sides? Sorry, but saying we "abused" nuclear weapons is WWII is like saying we "abused" the aircraft carrier.

      But why am I trying to convince you? The USA gives more to feed the poor around the world than all other nations combined. We liberate populations where people like you want sanctions that starve those same people. You have such a difficult time convincing yourself that you are right, you have to rewrite history to make those that you have unfounded hatred for into the most evil of peoples to justify your rage. You will stand up for a country that hangs suspected homosexuals, condones and even encourages wife beating, forces complete submission of women as a federal law, openly supports terrorists and has threatened multiple times to use nuclear weapons to destroy a country that has never attacked it. All while fighting against a country that has human rights as its foundation and equal rights written into its most sacred laws, that feeds the world and fights to spread freedom beyond its borders. And you don't see anything wrong with what you do.

      The US gives the land its soldiers bleed and die for back to the people who live there rather than making it a conquered territory. Has any other country ever done that?

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  2. Hu? by gotonull · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hu talks about IT warfare?

    1. Re:Hu? by InfiniteSingularity · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hu talks about IT warfare?

      pffft. Dude, everyone knows Hu's on first.

    2. Re:Hu? by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Funny

      IT warfare

      Before this decade is out, we should dedicate ourselves to defeating Pennywise the Clown and his evil minions!

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  3. And the U.S. is collaborating ... by foobsr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... , for instance at this place, where we have, as only one example of a high ranking AI-researcher, Dr. Feiyue Wang, Chinese Academy of Sciences (also advisor to the government), who does interesting research like, e.g. "Pedestrian Detection from a Moving Vehicle" (translate for yourself). I had this person on the radar earlier.

    CC.

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    1. Re:And the U.S. is collaborating ... by foobsr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pedestrian Detection from a Moving Vehicle

      =identifying targets from a vehicle

      I am not paranoid about 'a Chinese person', but about the ubiquitous presence of this (context: ... has published over 200 books, book chapters, journal papers, conference proceedings and technical reports in mechanics, intelligent control, robotics and automation. Currently, Dr. Wang is the Secretary-Elect of the IEEE Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) Council, members of the ExCom and AdCom of IEEE ITS Council and IEEE Systems, Man, and Cybernetics (SMC) Society, associate editors of the IEEE Transactions on Robotics and Automation, SMC, and ITS, and the Editor-in-Charge of the World Scientific Series on Intelligent Control and Intelligent Automation.") particular one.

      "The Chinese themselves don't think they're getting much of the advanced technology. While Americans have complained in the last year about their jobless economic recovery, Chinese have bemoaned what they call a "headless" or "brainless" boom, said panelist Fei-Yue Wang, a University of Arizona specialist on intelligent transportation, who has been involved in the Chinese government's long-term technology planning."
      http://spectrum.ieee.org/print/4040

      If you look a little further at his publication history (a part of it), you might suspect dual-use research. Add experience with 'communist academic careers' (the 'German Democratic Republic' collapsed while I was working at a University here (formerly West)) and you know that you only make it if you are opportunistic. And then you perhaps wonder how he manages to co-author in such a broad variety of areas - coordinating for a more global target?

      YMMV.

      CC.

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  4. No one can win in "IT warfare" by webmaster404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one can win in "IT warfare" because no matter what you do, as long as someone has the desire to, they will hack and crack it. Think about the iPod's checksum, it was defeated within a few days. HD-DVD and DVDs are cracked and some are reporting Blu-Ray cracked too. And for "skills" in IT, think about how "high tech" America is, yet the average consumer doesn't know any more then how to use an iPod, get around in Word and surf the net, and whenever MS or Apple comes out with a new version we spend millions for "retraining" the fact is, unless you know how to program, and how things work (technically not just that an iPod plays music from a hard drive to your speakers) you can never succeed, the fact is that in IT and the internet, anyone can succeed not just one class/country and right now the "geeks" are dominating not the FBI, CIA or any other government, its the geeks that will win just give it some time. Already there is a "class devision" in technology, some people know how to install RAM, install Linux, use Linux, fix a broken hard drive, how USB and other peripherals work and some spend over $500 on a proprietary OS that doesn't even hardly fit their needs and tech support to fix what they break. Nothing other then the open-sourcing of all code will change that. Just wait 5 years and the average /. reader will have the skills needed to thrive and those who have spent thousands going to "business school" will be working in a way for the "geeks"

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    1. Re:No one can win in "IT warfare" by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      I note that your example depends on access to the device.

      I have a red computer name "Herring".
      I invite you to hack it.

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    2. Re:No one can win in "IT warfare" by LingNoi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just wait 5 years and the average /. reader will have the skills needed to thrive and those who have spent thousands going to "business school" will be working in a way for the "geeks"
      You really don't know how the world works. The dumber you are the higher up the food chain you go. Why do you think there are so many incompetent managers about?! Tech jobs always means you're at the bottom of the barrel.
  5. Say wot? by jo42 · · Score: 2, Funny

    No more Big Red Button hooked up to a Big Red Nuke?

  6. Thats cool by me by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2, Funny

    They have 4 times our population, but we have more IP Addresses then they do!!! Take that!

    On a more serious note, how hard would it be (if they pissed off enough country's) to null route all their IPs at the core peering points?

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    1. Re:Thats cool by me by ILuvRamen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      well that's just dumb. In war you've gotta have some balls! Enough citizens and businesses in China have a valid copy of a windows OS that if Microsoft released a China only windows update that wipes their hard drives, so many businesses would fail, it would kill their economy like throwing a grenade at a groundhog. I mean just think, if 1% of all business computers in China had a legitimate copy of windows and downloaded and installed the update, that could be like the utilities going down or major nationwide companies or airports. You can't just turn off a lot of companies for a few days or weeks. Everything would melt into chaos.

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    2. Re:Thats cool by me by pembo13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On a more serious note, how hard would it be (if they pissed off enough country's) to null route all their IPs at the core peering points? As easy as it would be to do so to the United State of America
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  7. Question by kaoshin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry, I've been backed up in work and out of touch with the news. Who did China declare war on? I'm so confused.

  8. In other news.... by nebaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    President Hu also challenged the Chinese electrical system to develop faster forms of power recovery, so when power goes out, pertaining to laptops, Hu's will be on first.

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  9. Well... by kmac06 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So if this is anything like our State of the Union address, none of this will ever happen?

  10. military training under IT-based conditions by poopie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Translation: We're going to play a lot of Halo 3

  11. Somebody set up us the bomb. by my_left_nut · · Score: 4, Funny
    All your base are belong to us!

    With great justice!

    Carry out military training under IT-based conditions!

  12. His Plans Are Clear by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Funny

    He means for China to cut off our supply of farmed WoW gold. Gentlemen, we must not allow a WoW gold gap!

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  13. NCW by mattjb0010 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone else read this as talking about NCW (net centric warfare) and not cyberattacks?

  14. You know what this means? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It means the US will be putting tighter restrictions on the export of software and networking equipment. Count on it!

    A good thing actually. I don't want any US corporation aiding the CCP's censorship goals/objectives.

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    1. Re:You know what this means? by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But the said software and network equipment are going to be made in China in the first place, good luck trying to stop the Chinese from using their own products by not "exporting" to them.

  15. Re:Yeah ok... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You seem to think that the battlefield will exist in the same way physical ones do.

    The IT battlefield is quite different... it involves infecting Windows PCs with worms a la Storm, creating back doors into databases so that you know what the enemy is doing before they do, etc. It doesn't involve (primarily) using Chinese IP addresses to deface the white house web page.

    The Chinese know how to manipulate information to alter reality. They are much better at this than countries like the US (although I think the US government is improving in this area). THIS is the IT battlefield; manipulation of information and perception.

  16. that's stupid by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that's like saying that if you don't know how to disassemble an internel combustion engine, you'll never be able to drive anywhere

    the computer is just a tool. knowing how the tool works means you'll make a good salary, not run the world. you're an engineer, not a leader

    it is in fact a mark of your naivete that you think mastery of a computer means mastery of the real world

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  17. Step Followers, Not Engineers. Begin Human Wave! by jujuchef · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Don't tase me bro, but this is because they have no encouraged cability to think for themselves. China wants to use the tried and true method of 'if you throw enough resources at something, we'll get a result'. This is counter to the Communist rule in which they exist. To a certain degree, it is very similar to the notion that it is OK for an American to not be patriotic, or even speak out against his government in modern-day without being labled negatively or face real-life harm because of exercising ones right (ie, believe in God or you can't be a good American).

    There have been a number of projects that I have worked on in IT with Chinese consultants based in China. The shocking (and most often shocking) revelation I have had is the persistance for step by step instructions to almost everything. I sometimes find myself wondering what it is exactly (other than a recently over-changed government policy that now embraces MS) they actually utilize, but more importantly contribute, the usefulness of OSS because of the amount of outside thinking and experimentation that is needed to become comfortable using such systems.

    Anecdote is this: China constultants assists in co-coding a massive project that involves originally western-sourced code. Upon being provided an API and an approach-based guidline to expand on the source, they insist on step by step instructions and 'scripts' for things as simple as using a copy command. Now being well-versed in J2EE projects, I would expect more than 'step 72 gives this error, everything is broke'. Eventually when you find out that step 72 broke because the pre-requisites and steps 13-20 were ommitted, you can't help but wonder how to teach the taught, 'thought' and encouraging different approaches to a solution.

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  18. Obligatory George Bush joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bush: Condi! Nice to see you. What's happening?
    Condi: Sir, I have the report here about the new leader of China.
    Bush: Great. Lay it on me.
    Condi: Hu is the new leader of China.
    Bush: That's what I want to know.
    Condi: That's what I'm telling you.
    Bush: That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China?
    Condi: Yes.
    Bush: I mean the fellow's name.
    Condi: Hu.
    Bush: The guy in China.
    Condi: Hu.
    Bush: The new leader of China.
    Condi: Hu.
    Bush: The Chinaman!
    Condi: Hu is leading China.
    Bush: Now whaddya' asking me for?
    Condi: I'm telling you Hu is leading China.
    Bush: Well, I'm asking you. Who is leading China?
    Condi: That's the man's name.
    Bush: That's who's name?
    Condi: Yes.
    Bush: Will you or will you not tell me the name of the new leader of China?
    Condi: Yes, sir.
    Bush: Yassir? Yassir Arafat is in China? I thought he was in the Middle
                    East.
    Condi: That's correct.
    Bush: Then who is in China?
    Condi: Yes, sir.
    Bush: Yassir is in China?
    Condi: No, sir.
    Bush: Then who is?
    Condi: Yes, sir.
    Bush: Yassir?
    Condi: No, sir.
    Bush: Look, Condi. I need to know the name of the new leader of China.
                    Get me the Secretary General of the U.N. on the phone.
    Condi: Kofi?
    Bush: No, thanks.
    Condi: You want Kofi?
    Bush: No.
    Condi: You don't want Kofi.
    Bush: No. But now that you mention it, I could use a glass of milk.
                    And then get me the U.N.
    Condi: Yes, sir.
    Bush: Not Yassir! The guy at the U.N.
    Condi: Kofi?
    Bush: Milk! Will you please make the call?
    Condi: And call who?
    Bush: Who is the guy at the U.N?
    Condi: Hu is the guy in China.
    Bush: Will you stay out of China?!
    Condi: Yes, sir.
    Bush: And stay out of the Middle East! Just get me the guy at the U.N.
    Condi: Kofi.
    Bush: All right! With cream and two sugars. Now get on the phone.
    (Condi picks up the phone.)
    Condi: Rice, here.
    Bush: Rice? Good idea. And a couple of egg rolls, too. Maybe we should
                    send some to the guy in China. And the Middle East. Can you get
                    Chinese food in the Middle East?

  19. Whom may China fight? (Re:Question) by mi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Republic of China is under a persistent threat of a (Mainland) Chinese attack. United States has long ago promised to defend them, so we have to listen carefully (and take notes!), when the current rival — and an unlikely-but-possible future enemy — talks about any kind of war.

    Sooner or later China may also decide to begin solving its (over)population issues by expanding into Siberia, whose population density was always far smaller (orders of magnitude smaller) than China's and is now shrinking dramatically. In 10-30 years China will either be purchasing or conquering that land from Russia — if there are any Russians left to notice that is...

    Then, of course, there is a long-simmering tension with India, which has resulted in an all-out war as recently as in 1962. And then there is Vietnam, which lost a piece of territory to China, who invaded to, pretty much, punish it for interfering with the Khmere Rouge earlier — a "family dispute" among the Communist thugs.

    And last, although not necessarily least, is the continuing (and officially regulated) hatred towards Japan — "justified" or not, it may well escalate into an armed conflict in a decade or two, when an internal crisis inside China may lead its leaders to seek an external war to unify the country. It may be harder for its neighbors to repel, than it was to deal with the desperate Argentinian regime in a similar situation...

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    1. Re:Whom may China fight? (Re:Question) by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If China do decide to buy land off of Russia, is it not a good thing by your argument?

      Absolutely. But Russia may refuse to sell — out of nationalist pride or something else. And then things may get ugly.

      Major western powers are the main threat here, not China.

      A "main threat" where? Japan (itself the number one threat in the East only 70 years ago, BTW) has nothing to fear from the West. Neither does India. Certainly not Taiwan nor South Korea. North Korea or Myanmar — maybe, although the neo-Conservative idea of improving a country by imposing Democracy on it has been disgraced by the rather poor execution in Iraq...

      Vietnam — not really, their Communists are increasingly pragmatic. All of them have seen, what happened to Tibet...

      Russia (itself a threat to most of its neighbors, BTW) may be beating its chest against "the West", but the West will be much happier buying stuff from them — we don't need their land. But China does.

      You changed the subject from who may be the target of China's military, to whether or not "the West" is a bigger threat. I don't think, it is — and I just explained why — but I will not continue. You, clearly, have a different agenda...

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  20. Re:Leaders by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    Personally, I think that President Bush is a prototype AI that got hit by lightning.

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  21. Re:Step Followers, Not Engineers. Begin Human Wave by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Considering I have a hard time understanding your post, could it be because they couldn't understand your guidelines?

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  22. Re:Yeah ok... by Cyno · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Manipulating information and perception will only increase distrust and dissent when you have an opposition like the FOSS or Truth movement analyzing your every move.

    If SCO, Microsoft, and the US Government can't do it by now, what makes you think they could tomorrow? They have all the money in the world, yet they can't convince me with their propoganda. Why is that? Because they lack credibility. At this rate they will never have it.

    ae911truth.org

    I don't know about you, but I believe the law of conservation of momentum. The only way they will win their argument is to eliminate our freedom. But then the debate is over, and I don't think anyone wants that. I personally enjoy the debate.

    But China is a bit different, I don't know.

  23. Stereotypes! by holysin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An electronic Pearl Harbor? I know all asians look alike to caucasians, but it's China we should worry about, not Japan. It's more of an electic Boxer Rebellion.

    Sorry, couldn't resist. It's nice to know the CIA is apparently paying attention. A random question to anyone: how much traffic enters/leaves the US a second? Just how big of a MOAF (mother of all firewalls) would the government need to prevent increased latency(not that this would be a government concern of course)?

  24. Mistranslation by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now, I do not speak any form of Chinese, but I have read a damn lot of Engrish. Especially given the surrounding statements, this sounds like he's talking about computerizing the army. Just because the word IT is mentioned doesn't make it cyberwarfare. My impression of his remarks as quoted in the article is that he wants Chinese soldiers to have similar capabilties as US forces are. There's just too little information, the terms are NOT the standard english phrases that would be used to describe it, so I suspect a bad translation and assumptions went into making this article. I would want a tranlator WELL fluent in both Enlgish and Chinese to affirm that the Chinese words here translated as "IT based warfare" meant "cyberwarefare" and not "computer assisted soldiering".

  25. Re:We don't need no friggin Chinese cyber war... by Smauler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone knows China as the world's foremost assholes already

    No, everyone does not know this. The US and the UK invaded Iraq at the cost of hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives. I am not defending China here, but from where I am sitting, they're not invading and killing as much.

    I want to think and do and say as I fuckin feel like, within the limits of law

    Don't you realise they're just different laws? Many people in Europe think it's repressive to require women to cover their breasts on the beach. Many people in America think it's repressive to require women to cover their faces in the street.

    Freedom is far from absolute. People are quick to jump on something that they consider wrong.

  26. F**king Fascists by unity100 · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the first time in the civilization's history, there is an invention that brings ENTIRE world together, yet some crowd can only think of "warfare" "strong armed force" "defense" (defense my butt, anything for defense is always for offense) and shit.

    If you let derelict, obsolete old coots run a nation, this happens. Repression of the elder citizens. I bet many of them still live in 1950s mindset.

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  27. Re:We don't need no friggin Chinese cyber war... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but from where I am sitting, they're not invading and killing as much.

    From where I am sitting, it's pretty obvious that China already did all that stuff. Now they've got their troops planted all over places like Tibet and Inner Mongolia, so while the dust has settled, enough of us remember to know a 'bad guy.'

    Freedom isn't 'absolute' because you have to cite a fricking context for the word to mean anything at all. You can say that 'dark isn't absolute' and make just as strong an argument.

  28. Re:Step Followers, Not Engineers. Begin Human Wave by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, he's pretty much hit the nail on the head. The Chinese engineers I've worked with are helpless. They have this culture where it's expected that you can refuse to work unless the bosses have provided you with a step-by-step plan. Unless they're copying something, of course - then they're fast as lightning (because someone has provided them with a model). It sounds like a stereotype but it's absolutely true.

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
  29. Re:Universal Hardware OS by philpalm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Chinese are building their own supercomputers:
    http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/30/middle-kingdom-ready-bust-flops
    So maybe they won't need hackers but better programs and computers? It is easier to start an IT war with more servers and other techniques.

    I wonder if India is doing the same? If they are I wonder what countries will they IT attack? Pakistan? Maybe the Indians will sell out to the highest bidder, since they have no loyalty to US or China...