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Second Time 'Round - the Zune Flash In-Depth
J Mallard writes "Ars Technica has an in-depth review of the new Zune Flash. The overall verdict? An improvement over the original, with some caveats. 'I suspect there's a special shotgun in Redmond passed around ceremonially to the different divisions so each can shoot itself in the foot. When the shotgun arrived at the Zune team HQ, it appears to have been directed squarely at one of the most promising new features the device has to offer: autosyncing of recorded TV content ... [Specifically,] DVR-MS support for unprotected standard definition TV recordings from Windows Media Center. HDTV and protected recordings are not supported.' Let me make sure I understand this: at this point, a consumer has purchased a PC, Vista, a tuner card, and a Zune, but still can't be trusted with high-def content? Nice.'"
but that... is quite a blunder there. Sure most people won't want to use it for HD content, but dissapointing the crowd with the loudest voice is usually a bad idea...
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
I think this is what is most bothersome, and tiresome, about the treadmill that is Microsoft's products, advertising, etc. From the article, yet again:
It's hard to imagine how this goes on and on, but it does. I don't know who it reflects more poorly on, Microsoft's disingenuousness (word?), or the public's collective willingness to be fooled again and again.
I've often referred to the Charlie Brown - Lucy tension as the perfect metaphor... Lucy promises to placehold the football so Charlie can kick it. He falls for it every time and she never fails to pull it away at the last second (I keep hoping there's one strip where she doesn't pull it away, but I never saw it.... anyone?). We, the public are Microsoft's Charlie Brown. Sigh.
But will it run Linu^H^H^H^H rockbox?
Probably not.
ccalam - acoustic versions of new songs.
HD content displayed at 320x240 on a device with an 8GB capacity? Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
Only recently has the company admitted what was clear from the outset: the first Zune was rushed to market (it was a "sprint cycle," in Microsoft terms), and "compromises" were made in order to make that happen.
Translation: Release it. Fix it in SP1
I got a catholic block.
No worse than iPod. Sounds like something you use to keep your prosthetic eye in. I mean if you are going to bash the Zune bash it for all one of the many logical reasons.
Lack of a wireless musical store. DRMed to Death. Doesn't support Microsoft's own Play for Sure content.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
Monkey nipple is a way cooler name than zune. The thing comes in a brown color... enough said.
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Heres another quote, from the conclusion:
We expect that the new lineup will help Microsoft become an established player in the PMP space over the next year. The updated devices should also put an end to the almost-endless set of Zune-related jokes, and they are an obvious choice for anyone who loves subscription music services.
Sounds like something out of ghostbusters.
You are mistaken in thinking the person who bought all that and wants to watch the TV program is the customer. Sorry. You are wrong. That person is the product. The advertisers and content owners who want to protect it using ever increasing amount of DRM is the customer. Got it? Now it all makes sense, doesn't it?
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
1) No 2) Better than the iPod. 3) Ditto.
Cindy Lou Who: "But daddy, I gotta go to the euphemism"
Joins your first and last points quite nicely, doesn't it.
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(Seriously, I have Vista and have been more than happy with it.)
I would argue with you, but I am very busy right now. I am drinking a Zima while programming with some Zend tools. My Zune is rocking to the musical stylings of Zappa. I store my zinc in a zip-loc bag right next to my Zip drive, which contains a Zero Mostel mpeg. I do not use Zone Alarm. I drive a MBW Z3. I had some zucchini at the zoo. Any zircons? Zilch. I ran out of money yesterday so I robbed a zombie and hijacked a zephyr. I got my shoes at Zappos.com. But and between zeus and zygotes, I've had enough zeitgeist.
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What makes it all doubly stupid is that Microsoft is able to identify copyrighted files that aren't allowed to be shared (e.g. Frank Sinatra) through WiFi.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
if you have a digital tuner, its all technically hd, although some of it is just 480p streams. They seem t be indicating that you don't even have the option of shrinking it down, which makes no sense to me since I can do whatever I want with the digital tuner in my mac. I can take 1080i and shrink it to postage stamp iPod sizes, if I'm so inclined. I mainly encode to 480x320 for my iPhone.
This is where I get my recommended daily allowance of "Foot in Mouth."
I had long hoped to speak to Charles Schultz about this very item. It was my fond hope that in the very last Peanuts strip that Lucy wouldn't pull the ball away, and Charlie Brown finally kicks it...
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Did you remember to pick up some Zig Zags?
"Anything tastes good if you deep fry it."
If it came with 7 strippers and a dwarf I'd buy seven. It would not fail. It would be awesome. If it were named Monkey Nipple and came with 7 strippers and a dwarf it would make Ballmer the ruler of the planet, Darkseid-style.
I like basketball!!1!
I think rumors of its DRMed death are grossly exaggerated. From the review, it looks like it will not only play DRM-free files, but you can also purchase a slew of DRM-free songs at whatever on-line service it (strongly) encourages you to use. There appear to be annoyances (you can't store DRMed video on it? that makes no sense - I'm assuming that's the reviewer's mistake. Likely you can't store DRMed video that the Zune application can't find a license for), but none of them are a deal breaker for someone who just wants to rip CDs or buy songs/videos on a website and play them on their portable player, which I'm assuming is the majority of the portable music/video player market. I also suspect you can easily put copyrighted, DRM-free video and music files downloaded via BitTorrent on it with ease - at least the same amount of ease as you have with the iPod.
Does one really need HD content on a 3 inch screen? HD was more or less made because SD looked like shit on big screens.
The Zune isn't exactly winning the media player wars you know. No one is being fooled, unless it's Microsoft fooling itself. They keep producing trash media players and no one buys them. The iPod line totally dominates over everybody else, Zune included. Microsoft is almost a no-show in that market.
Unfortunately, it's not just Microsoft. Cable and Satellite providers have things so locked down that doing what *I* want with the HD content I pay for is simply out of the question. I use an HDHomeRun box in conjunction with SageTV, which will let me record both OTA and clear QAM HD channels over cable, but the offerings are limited, and it's certainly NOT a system for Joe Sixpack. While it is nice to be able to watch and record HD content, unless it's clear (unencrypted) you are out of luck. Cable, DirecTV, and Dish all provide varying degrees of "premium" HD content, but unless you lock yourself into a their HD-DVRs, again, you are out of luck. And even if you do use an HD-DVR from cable or satellite companies, don't even think of offloading the content.
My mom always said, "Jim, you're 1 in a million." Given the current population, there are 7000 of me. God help us all!
Zune just makes me think of a cat throwing up.
You know, there is a difference between trolling and pointing out the flaws in your reasoning. Just saying.
After that I need some fricking Zoloft.
"I guess the moral of the story is, don't paint your airship with rocket fuel." -- Addison Bain
The old one is now a great bargain. I have the old 30gb model, I won it at a charity auction. I always liked the thing, but with the new firmware and software it's really nice. I've seen them for $85 online with free shipping (in the U.S.) Not bad for a 30gb player with wireless and video!
except that the new one comes in almost every colour but brown, the flash version anyway, the hard drive version also comes in any colour, as long as it's black.
Blazing Spiders
It still looks too generic and cheap, it looks better than the original Zune, but still looks like a toy and not something sophisticated for adults.
"Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
I fell asleep...
Still talin z talk?
Bzzzzzzt!.....
(hehehehehe)
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
either you where reading the firehose (how dare you) or you have a freeky insite into things.. as i belive the ghostbusters game is the next artical that appered on the front page
'...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
And please keep your dwarf fantasies to yourself.
Quack, quack.
And, by Cousin of Cornelius:
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See:
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You'll find the girls and the other one you were looking for. Google is AMAZING... I just looked up monkey nipples and clicked a few and found that...
But, but, the minions in the design department must've thought, "Hey, let's do something that'll appeal to Monkeyboy..."
They all --while rubbing two zune mockups on their chests-- chanted "DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!" until their nipples wrinkled up.
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
There is no iPod, only Zune?
But the truth it I don't find it all that elegant.
It is a rectangle white one one side and shinny metal on the other. Yea it doesn't clash with anything but I don't find it out of this world.
The audio jack is on the bottom of my nano. Really annoying because it have to stick it in my pocket upside down to have enough lead on my ear buds.
The UI is nice but it is hard to use in the dark. I use my IPod when I am out walking my dog at night so that lack of tactile feedback is really a pain.
The elegance of the iPod as reached mythic levels. It is good but far from perfect.
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Last I understood, no one was fooled the last time.
... but it sits on a shelf actually in front of a real shopper.
Microsoft may have invented an entirely new form of advertising, called "Eye-Ware".
They know perfectly well their 0.1 release of something is garbage
Then their 3rd revision becomes mostly usable, at which point their FUD campaign may have had time to work.
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
...when for $300 you could have an 8Gig iPod Touch, which is a a seriously nice bit of kit, even to a jaded oldie like me - that multitouch screen is truly lovely and (almost) everything about the interface is polished to a delicious, gloss, sheen.
I fail to see why anyone would be surprised by this, we are seeing this everyday in so many different ways, but especially with content. Smart people have been thinking long and hard how to get around getting people to pay for stuff that is now essentially free. New York Times tried it (i.e."Times Select"), Slashdot has subscriptions where you can forego ads.
Search for an IT term in Google and typically you'll get the first five links are at techmag sites and you only get the first paragraph, the rest you have to pay for. Same damn thing.
Wait awhile, soon you'll be able to get Hi-Def, but only if you subscribe to a service somewhere. It's only a matter of time. Besides, what's the big deal about watching Hi-Def on a 320 X 480 or smaller screen anyway?
God: When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Only recently has the company admitted what was clear from the outset: the first Zune was rushed to market (it was a "sprint cycle," in Microsoft terms), and "compromises" were made in order to make that happen. So Microsoft started over.
Sweet! Only one rev left until we get to MS's famous "adequate" 3.0 phase!
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
"The Social" was moved online, where Zune users might actually find others to share their musical tastes with.
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I'm a Zune owner, and I record Terrestrial Broadcast HD shows. My Zune syncs with them fine, after the software does its automatic (and transparent to the user) conversion for resolution and space. This is on my old Zune 30GB, even. I'm not sure why the article says that non-DRM'd HD doesn't work...perhaps they only tried a DRM'd video and assumed it all wouldn't work?
Still IMing in the stone age?
"Sprint" is an agile programming term; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development).
My other car is first.
Move Zig?
"Programming is the fine art of making a machine that has absolutely no intelligence act as though it does."
You can do whatever you want with your digital tuner on Windows, too. It just doesn't do it through the Zune software. There are plenty of free apps that do it. For what its worth Windows has far more built-in functionality for your HD tuner than OS-X does. No contest.
Pardon me while I use my zippo to light my zigarrette.
There, fixed that for you.
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Since it seems a reasonable response to the 62 posts griping about how the Zune won't do HD video...
Three Squirrels
From http://www.peanutscollectorclub.com/football.html: In 1979, Charlie Brown winds up in the hospital for surgery. In a fit of desperation, Lucy promises not to pull the football away the next time, if only he'll get better. Well, he obviously gets better, and all the neighborhood kids await the results. This multi-week "novelette" climaxes in the 8/2/79 daily strip, when she doesn't pull the ball away ... but Charlie Brown misses and kicks her arm instead!
Why do I hear this so often? Why can the customer not be both the person watching and the person advertising? Simply because one pays money and other does not? No, the content is the product. The customer is both the watcher and the advertiser; the content provider is incentivised to provide quality programming to please the watcher, and the please the advertiser. Thus they make money.
Should this be the way it is? I don't think so. I'd pay money for a quality show. They could give new shows away for free to get people interested, to get watchers hooked. And the numbers would be way more solid.
What is is all that is. Isn't that obvious?
Wow...just....wow. They are copying the Apple business model of what, three years ago? Now that apple has moved onto miniscule Nanos and Touches, Microsoft comes up with a clone of the 1st Gen iPod Nano? What's next, Microsoft? Are you going to showcase a new "Shuffle"?
when and if the analog shut off takes place in 09, then all tv will be HDTV, and only unlockable at their whim. need we say more ?
I know exactly what you mean. My personal pet peeve (as an electrical engineer) is when people refer to 'bandwidth' as to how much work load they can handle. I feel like my head is going to explode when I hear that!
"Does not compute, Will Robinson!"
Evidently, you are still reading slashdot. And yes, "ipod" is a more recognized brand-name than "zune". And yes, I'm not a big fan of Microsoft. Or Apple. Or Ipod. Or Zune. Or people who wrongly accuse me of having certain motives.
>"tough titty. our customers won't want it, it's an expensive product that doesn't work and only benefits you." what are they going to do?
Sue them. This is an industry that sues its own custoemrs. Done be naive. I think the MS-hate here is so huge that people cant think straight when it comes to the RIAA.
>Abandon the billion desktops?
Yes. Absolutely. Theyve abandoned web distribution of music until Steve Jobs gave in to all their DRM requirements and even then have completely half-assed the job so they can pretend they can go back to selling CDs.