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CompUSA To Close All Stores

An anonymous reader writes "Mexican telephone and retail magnate Carlos Slim, in a rare defeat, will exit the US consumer electronics market, shutting the last 100 CompUSA Inc. stores after sinking about $2 billion into the business. Gordon Brothers Group, a Boston-based retail store liquidator, will oversee a piecemeal sale of the Dallas-based business, the company said in a statement. Financial terms were not disclosed. Stores will remain open through year-end under the supervision of Gordon Brothers, which will also negotiate the sale of real estate and other assets."

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  1. Meh. by Vthornheart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I never really liked them, personally. I don't know if it was different on other regions of the country, but in the Sacramento area the CompUSAs were always overpriced. I guess it's sad to see any store that sells computer products die on some level, but there's better stores still on the market.
    That being said, if CompUSA was the only brick and mortar computer store in your area, I guess this would be a sucky development. Maybe a Fry's will move in. ;)

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    1. Re:Meh. by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Informative

      What I remember about CompUSA is that on multiple occasions, when I went into the store looking to buy an item, they were sold out of it. It's like it didn't occur to them, "hey, we're sold out of this. Obviously it's popular. We better buy more of it, and put it on the shelves, so we can make more money". After that happened two or three times, I got tired of dealing with them, and would go online or to a different store. So I'm not that surprised to hear that they're going out of business.

    2. Re:Meh. by Yehooti · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll miss them. When I wanted to find a store where I could walk in, select my software right there, then pay and walk out with it then and there, they were always there. Fry's is about the same distance from me as they were, but I've never felt comfortable with their wares. I could get in and out quickly, not like the long lines at Fry's. If I had a problem, they handled it smoothly, not like at Fry's. I paid more for this privilege I'll admit. When I'm not in a hurry I order from online sources.

      Their selections were great, almost always having what I needed in a hurry. We need more stores like this, not fewer. Someone needs to come along and show the remaining stores how to do it right. They couldn't do it, Fry's, CC, and BB don't do it. Who is next?

    3. Re:Meh. by putaro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically what you're saying in a more informed way is what the original poster said - they weren't able to manage their inventory. It's a basic part of running a retail business. Yes, it's hard. Those who are good at it (Walmart) succeed in the retail space. Those that are bad at it will close their doors.

    4. Re:Meh. by zullnero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe a Fry's will move in. ;)

      Fry's: Where you always know you can find the most substandard of substandard computer and consumer products!

      The trick with Fry's, for those who don't know, is that the good quality stuff is priced roughly the same as any Best Buy/CompUSA/Staples/etc., but the absolutely crappy imported stuff makes it all seem cheaper. It's like WalMart like that.
    5. Re:Meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      I suppose you don't consider that sometimes stock just flies off of the shelves after a day or two?

      How about flying off the shelves before the store opened the day the ad came out? This happened all the time. The last time this happened my buddy needed an HDD and CompUSA had one on sale in their ad with a mininum of 10 per store. We met up at a local restaurant for breakfast, then went to the store. We got there 15 minutes before they opened and there was 1 person waiting outside. When the doors opened there were 5 of us waiting and we all went in different directions. My buddy and I went back to the counter were they kept the HDD's and he asked for one, only to be told by the clerk that they were out. Out? The store had just opened and we were the first ones there. The clerk wouldn't answer why they were out, but the answers are obvious:

      • The store forgot to order them. I can't see how this could occur. If I can find out online if an item is in stock then corporate can too.
      • The employees bought them before the store opened. This should never be allowed.
      • An eBay scalper bought them the night before. This also should not occur, because they should put some aside for the sale.
      • They never intended on selling any at that price and were just trying to get people to come to the store.


      As we left the store empty handed we came across 2 other guys who were outside when the store opened and neither of them got what they came for either. Needless to say neither my buddy nor I have been back since.
    6. Re:Meh. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What's stupid is that I'm told by an employee of CompUSA that they've been working on opening a new store in Colorado this coming week. Only, now instead of having a grand opening, the first day the store opens will also be a liquidation day.

      It's kind of amazing how fast they did all this. Management got the news Friday afternoon, via telephone. Within a couple hours, there were a couple of guards on premises to make sure employees did not steel anything. Employees were forbidden from buying anything "at cost" which employees apparently have always been allowed to do. By the end of the night, liquidation guys had arrived from corporate and were going through the process of taking inventory and repricing so they could (presumably) begin actual liquidation sales this weekend.

      It's just damn crazy. I've never cared for CompUSA except that since there are no longer any real mom and pop independent computer stores around, your choice is between CompUSA and Fry's. And Fry's isn't available in most places (which is a shock to those of us from the west coast when we visit other parts of the country). Without even a CompUSA around anymore, I don't know where you're going to pick up hardware in person? It was always nice to have a place you could go to as a last resort if you needed to replace a mobo RIGHT NOW.

    7. Re:Meh. by Sgt.Modulus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well put... I know this first hand when I used to work in CompUSA in Tarrytown NY for about a year. When I was working there the store was the best in the region and we got free black 2g ipod nanos. Our stock was pretty available but it did have problems keeping track of everything. I worked at the tech services counter as a service writer. Basically that involves checking computers in and out. We used to use seibel 7x and it was such a poor system. Mistakes were easy to make and took forever to get finished with one customer. Was very agrivating to get anybody processed correctly. Eventually I followed suit with my other co-workers and did thinks half ass in order to keep up with customer flow. Besides I was getting paid $9/hour. What a load of shit for the amount of effort I put into this job. Not only did the job and pay suck they wanted you to work crazy hours. Things like the midnight madness deal never really made sense to me. After 11pm there were hardly any customers in the place. The prices were always higher than anywhere else. I felt bad for the customers so I started to fix small issues myself at the counter without writing their service tickets up. I got plenty of tips for that which could of got me fired. Then for items customers would ask from me I would redirect them to other places which sell items cheaper like newegg.com or somewhere else online. Eventually I got fed up with everything and left. The last straw was yet another angry customer coming in to yell at me for something my manager fucked up. So I picked up my belongings and left and never came back. No 2 week notice or anything. After that the place closed down in 30 days along with over half of the stores as mentioned in TFA. So to me I am FUCKING glad this horrible store shut down.

    8. Re:Meh. by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      ":The employees bought them before the store opened. This should never be allowed. "

      Likely it was this one. My wife worked as security at Sears for a span, and it was routine to allow associates to purchase items at sale price (minus an employee discount) before the store opened.

      Fair? No.

      Did I tell her to grab an Xbox 360 for immediate resale on eBay? Betcherass I did, but they were all gone by the time her shift started 1/2 hour before the store opened. Other employees came in early.

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    9. Re:Meh. by drew · · Score: 3, Informative

      Without even a CompUSA around anymore, I don't know where you're going to pick up hardware in person?


      MicroCenter?

      I know they aren't available everywhere, but those that do have them, I would take them over CompUSA or Fry's. These days I usually go to Best Buy, as I've been rather unimpressed by the CompUSA near me, and there aren't Fry's or MicroCenter around here, but I can't help feeling a little dirty when I do.
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    10. Re:Meh. by Seumas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I dunno, I got an Antec 900 case for $80 (goes for about $150 on newegg) and a 500gb drive for $65 (goes for about $100 in most reliable online sources) through someone who has an employee discount. That's a pretty sweet deal.

      What I wonder is, what happens if you bought an actual computer or other serviceable item from them? (I don't know why you would, but whatever). If you bought a $2000 laptop at CompUSA last week, are you screwed now? Even if you paid the $300 or whatever for the extended warranty BS? Or are those warranties and product services provided through third party contracts?

    11. Re:Meh. by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 2, Funny

      to make sure employees did not steel anything

      I'm confused. Is steeling related in any way to ironing?

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    12. Re:Meh. by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Informative

      Texas was part of the confederacy you know. It doesn't get much more dixie than that.

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  2. Goodbye by aero2600-5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The only thing impressive CompUSA ever did was make the idiots at Best Buy look like geniuses.

    Their prices were ridiculous, the staff under-qualified. If you wanted to know what 1994 felt like, all you had to do was wander into one of their stores.

    Aero

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    1. Re:Goodbye by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I was chagrined when Carlos Slim bought The Good Guys audio/video stores and merged them into CompUSA. The Good Guys had excellent stock including the superb Loewe HD TVs, good sales every so often, and the salemen didn't entirely suck. The bastard child of the merger was that CompUSA began pushing LCD big screens but almost no other A/V equipment.

      As many others have noted, it would be useful if Fry's had some stores in other parts of the country. (You hear me, John Fry?) Even if Fry's has issues with stupid salesmen, the merchandise selection is pretty good, including off the shelf software for when you're on a deadline and can't wait for mail-order or get a vendor download. I Hope they slowly and carefully extend themselves to the East Coast and become available to more people. But not overextend themselves, that's how Tower Records killed its retail presence, by expanding into Japan.

    2. Re:Goodbye by ericlondaits · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't know about Japan, but when Tower Records came to Argentina it was as a franchise AFAIK, since it was owned by local investors and it even changed hands one or two times during its life. I don't see how franchising can be bad for a company, since it means it's getting money for its brand.

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    3. Re:Goodbye by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't see how franchising can be bad for a company, since it means it's getting money for its brand. Then you clearly haven't thought about it for more than 5 seconds. If the franchisee(s) aren't up to the standards of the original chain or generally screw things up, they damage the name of the franchise, and that reputation can feed back to the original store.

      In short, you lose some control of your own name, and while you can impose conditions on the franchisees, there have to be limits.

      Now, the benefit of a franchise is also its disadvantage; people associate the local franchised operation with its original owner, and if this isn't up to scratch, then- at best- people may assume that other franchises are run to poor standards and- at worst- people assume that the original company is responsible and at fault.

      "But... but... it wasn't us, it was one of our franchisees" won't cut it in the face of widespread complaints that swamp the ability of your PR to explain the true situation. And do the public care anyway? It's a double-edged sword- if a company is willing to exploit its name (and associated reputation) by selling it to others, it has no right to complain if it's too lax or greedy in controlling the franchise and these actions come back to haunt it.
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    4. Re:Goodbye by ohmpossum · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This applies to my local Outback Steak House. The screw ups of the local franchise make me not want to risk going to any outback. The outback happens to be in front of the compUSA that closed a few months back here in the Dallas area where they already closed most of their stores.

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  3. That sucks by ragnarok · · Score: 4, Informative

    CompUSA is the only real computer store near me (in Rochester, NY). Of course there's Best Buy and Circuit City (etc) but the selection was always a lot better at CompUSA. When I needed a hard drive or something in a hurry that was always where I went.

    When is Fry's going to make it to the east coast?

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    1. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You could always try Rochester Computer Recycling and Repair if you need parts fast. Otherwise I would suggest Pricewatch.

    2. Re:That sucks by transer · · Score: 2, Informative


      You can always try Microworx. They don't have as big of a selection, but for the "gotta have it now" parts, those they generally have.

      I'll agree on Fry's, though...wish they'd make it out this way....

    3. Re:That sucks by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fry's actually has made it to the west coast, albeit in a somewhat limited capacity. There's one in Duluth,Georgia

      Someone from Georgia thinks that they're on the west coast. Why doesn't that surprise me? : p

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    4. Re:That sucks by north.coaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      J&N in Fairport, NY, is a great source for computer components. Plus their assembled systems are good deals (I'm typing this message using a computer that they built for me). They don't carry as many brands as CompUSA, but their prices are good and their staff is very knowledgeable.

      Also, Circuit City is not bad if they have what you want in stock. When I buy stuff from them, I always order online and then pick up at the store.

    5. Re:That sucks by guruevi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Circuit City in Rochester, NY sucks. Went there to buy a printer for my Apple and Linux-based systems. The box said it was supported, but after a day or two with HP support they (HP) came to the conclusion they didn't have scanner drivers (yet). I went back to Circuit City and they didn't want to change or take back my printer. They would take it back if I went more expensive, otherwise there was a 15% restocking fee, said it was store/corporate policy. I said forget it, took the thing home and gave it to my parents who are running Ubuntu, a few months later the drivers for the scanner came. Never went back there again.

      I went to Best Buy for some USB A-B cable. Best Buy wanted to charge me $25 for a 3 foot cable. Yeah but they're gold plated... I don't care, the signal isn't going to work any different. Well, it gives better quality prints... I said OK, now you're going too far, I'm outta here.

      Radio Shack is just as incompetent. Give me a powered UHF/VHF antenna. Yeah right, 5 antenna's later (still in the shop, they gave me FM antenna's even a HAM-radio antenna) they said: this one is powered. Came home: no it isn't. Same thing for a simple power supply, how difficult is it to find a 9V, 1,5A power supply? I only have this 1500 Amp one "Uh, let me see, yes, 1500mA is 1,5A, thank you, I'll go with that one"

      Ever since, I've only been shopping online. If I need something really bad, I'll do overnight shipping, saves me a lot of time, gas and headache.

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    6. Re:That sucks by joggle · · Score: 2, Informative

      I second this. I've ordered several motherboard combos over the years from them. I once had a problem with one motherboard combo they mailed me. They mailed me a new one without requiring me to mail back the old one first (I live in Boulder, CO so it's nice to have this service) and they payed for all of the postage. They have one of the highest ratings at resellerratings.com for a reason.

  4. As an ex employee... by boredMDer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Glad to hear that they're shutting down. I worked there for nearly a year on the front end...awesome coworkers and general atmosphere, but store policies, managers, etc, sucked. Bad(ly?). Ripped off customers on return policies, warranties, replacement plans, etc. Restocking fees? At the manager's discretion, of course.

    Thank god, is all I can say.

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    1. Re:As an ex employee... by Obyron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Likewise an ex-employee (store #349 in Lexington, KY). I definitely feel the same about the place going. They treated me, and all the other employees-- up to and including "back end" people like HR and low-level managers (front end, inventory)-- like complete trash. About a year after I was laid off (because the store was losing money) I heard that the then-General Manager had been embezzling money from the store and had finally been caught and fired. No clue if they ever pressed criminal charges. We actually had a lot of good experiences with their warranty, especially the full replacement. They followed it well enough that salesmen weren't unknown to use it to close a sale (ie: "accidentally" break your shiny new PDA two days before your 2 year warranty runs out, and get the dollar value toward the purchase of a new one). The restocking fee always came down to how much we didn't like a particular customer's attitude. There was a lot of stuff that went on to basically screw the customer (like fast-talking old people into spending 100 dollars on getting a tech to "set up" their computer before they took it home, for which the techs just held the computer for 30 minutes before bringing it up front). Given shit like this, and the way the stores were managed, it's no surprise to me they're going out of business. At my store we had probably 6-8 sales people and 4 cashiers working at any given time, and we had 8(!) managers-- General, Sales, Asst. Sales, Front End, Operations, Inventory, Business Sales, and Tech. No wonder they couldn't afford employees! I'm not the least bit sad to see it go.

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    2. Re:As an ex employee... by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yeah... the warranties really screw you. I bought a laptop from them and got the 2 year extended warranty on it... Mind you, it had a 1 Year manufacturers warranty as well.

      I come around looking for some coverage needs 2 years after I buy it and I am told that the warranty is up... I said "WTF I bought a 2 year coverage plan over and above the manufactures plan warranty."

      The guy told me that the 2 year coverage covers the first and second year and I said so basically I paid out the ass to double cover myself in the first year?

      the only thing that would have been worse is if I decided that 1 year "extra" coverage would have been enough.

    3. Re:As an ex employee... by AFCArchvile · · Score: 2, Informative

      Same here (327, worked during the dot-bomb days of 1999-2000). All the "down to earth" coworkers were great colleagues, but there was a big rift between the red-shirts and most of the white-shirts. At times, it felt like working at a car dealership, since the push to sell TAP and replacement plans was never-ending. If a store can't be profitable by selling its product, and certain services with legitimate value, what kind of a store is it? In the case of CompUSA, a dead store.

      The key to shopping there was to either do your homework first, or to be lucky and find one of those with genuine technical experience (I made sure to keep learning and experimenting with new stuff, and to use that knowledge). Unfortunately, CompUSA gained a bit of a reputation for not adequately helping the customer. After Slim's acquisition and taking the company private, things only got worse. When their selection and prices deteriorated over the years, it became a place to visit only when you needed something NOW; otherwise, just order it from an online retailer once you've determined what to get.

      So passes CompUSA, son of Soft Warehouse.

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  5. fare thee well by ruebarb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    my first tech job was refurbishing a certain model of PC at the CompUSA tech shop - got me to where I'm at today - many a techie got his start in one of those little tech shops at a retail store.

    lower profit margins are a drag on any business - almost inevitable but a fact of life - they lasted longer then the company I left them for by trying to diversify but I guess BB/CC will be taking over the world now.

    RB

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    1. Re:fare thee well by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I guess BB/CC will be taking over the world now.
      You mean the USA and maybe Canada, right? Other countries have their large chains, too, and as Wal-Mart's failure in Germany shows, being a large player in the USA doesn't neccessarily mean squat elsewhere.

      For those who don't follow German supermarket corporation politics: Wal-Mart pulled out of the German market in 2006 after losing ~$3 bn and sold their local assets to the Rewe corporation, one of the big players in the German supermarket business.

      If BB/CC expaded to Germany they'd meed stiff resistance from firmly entrenched players like Media Markt (which should have a near-100% brand recognition) and Saturn, which both belong to the Metro Group, which is one of the big players that Wal-Mart lost against. Hardly a good way go gain foothold.

      I don't know how it is in other countries, but in Germany, the big brick-and-mortar chains are firmly entrenched with the trenches in question being nuke-proof bunkers.
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  6. my eyes are dry by theheff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not going to miss the snooty comments made by their staff members after asking them where a part is... and then try to sell me a warranty on top of it. Give me a break. Margins usually drop in most industries over time. Poor business design is what killed this beast. While I'm sure a number of talented people work for their chain, and I truly feel for them for their upcoming layoffs, you can't say that you didn't see it coming. Rest in peace.

    1. Re:my eyes are dry by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not going to miss the snooty comments made by their staff members after asking them where a part is... and then try to sell me a warranty on top of it. Give me a break. Margins usually drop in most industries over time. Poor business design is what killed this beast. I remember looking for a PCMCIA to CompactFlash adapter, they were not quite grasping that CompactFlash was so large that it wasn't on those 5 in one units, handy though they may be. I can't blame them too much as CF is rather old as far as standards go.

      But the warranty... you do have to keep in mind that was really their bread and butter, the store warranty. For something like an inkjet it was a godsend. Esp the sub $100 epsons, you know the ones, the ones that get a waste ink full error and refuse to print, with only a cryptic error "needs service". Cheep parts and a cheep warranty could keep you in new printers for a while.

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    2. Re:my eyes are dry by jddj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll never forget the experience...I'd just arrived in Atlanta in 1994, and I was in a Marietta CompUSA. I'd asked the CompUSA staffer about a particular accessory for my Power Macintosh 7100/66.

      "A Mac? Get a real computer!"

      I thought: "I'm a multimedia developer trying to buy one of your highest-margin products, and you're working a crappy retail job. Will getting a real computer skyrocket me to the corridors of power you walk? I hope not..."

      Over the years, I've only visited CompUSA out of sheer desperation, and the typical experience there was that I went in, looked for what I'd come for, found nothing I could use and left.

      Has anyone walked into a CompUSA in the last 5 years and been anything but baffled at the retail experience they were trying to pull off? It's like they stopped focusing on computer equipment at all, but tried to display consumer electronics in the manner of an office-supply store. WTF? It's like the Anti-Apple Store, Anti-Gap approach to merchandising.

      So they're fallen overboard. I'd be happy to toss 'em an anchor!

      To anyone out there who wants to visit "a real computer store", I'd take a Microcenter or a Fry's over a CompUSA any day.

      N.B. - Spell-check is warning me that "CompUSA" is misspelled. Thought for a second about adding it to the dictionary for future use, then realized that it's probably not too important to do so...

  7. Where will I buy quad slim cases? by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quad Slim jewel cases

    Seriously, I know I accept the risk of being modded down here but I use these guys. They fit 4 CDs in the size of one standard jewel case. It was a pain when they left my state, and it'll be a bigger pain when they close their doors.

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    1. Re:Where will I buy quad slim cases? by korbin_dallas · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow, use the internet.

      These folks have more kinds of cd/dvd holders than you could possible need.
      And thousands of other things CompUSA never even thought to carry.
      http://www.cyberguys.com/

      Oh and heres the 4up in flexible polypropelene so it wont shatter like the styrene ones
      And color coded to boot. And cheaper.

      http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/SearchDetail.asp?productID=2794

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  8. No tears here... by nugneant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The local Comp*USA went out of business about six months ago. They were like the pricier, smaller, and less exciting version of Best Buy (which is the pricier, smaller, and less exciting version of Fry's - God, that's the one thing I miss most about living on the west coast). Anyway, long story short, the only good part about Comp*USA was not giving money to Best Buy when I needed something computer-related that day, right then. Fucking D.C.

    The "final week clearance" finally had some okay deals. Nothing too great, but stuff like no-name PS/2 keyboards with the stupid "function" key for $3 a pop, 100-spindle DVD-Rs for around $40... I picked up a couple SD-cards as well. You know it's sad that when stuff's 70% off, it's still barely less pricey than ordering online.

    They finally opened up a MicroCenter in the location where Comp*USA used to be. Sweet, sweet heaven... it's like Fry's, except, yeah, only about 1/3rd the size.

  9. The good old days by davmoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Back in the day, CompUSA was a decent place to buy computer parts. They had a good selection, knowledgeable sales people, and good prices. Those days have been gone for some years now. It got to where their prices were so ridiculously high without a sale, and the "sale" required a rebate to get a decent price, that it was no longer worth shopping there. Especially when Fry's opened. I haven't been in the local store in 4 or 5 years.

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    1. Re:The good old days by beheaderaswp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I used to work for CompUSA in the 1992 time frame, in Skokie IL.

      Back then they were paying a living wage to their hardware salespeople (Or fairly close to it), had a decent tech department, and had a great Mac section.

      I left in 1993 and ended up working for Apple Computer.

      The funny thing was, I left just as Best buy was coming into the market, and CompUSA management was all freaked out about it. I didn't understand why Best Buy scared them (and still don't). CompUSA at the time was a "computer store" and a big one. Best Buy was what? Appliances, with some computers?

      Back then CompUSA resembled Fry's more closely than Best buy, and they made the decision to go "retail". They could have gone the other way and been a little more "geeky".

      Fry's, which currently looks like a big success story from my standpoint, flew a banner outside of their store at grand opening in Naperville IL which read: "Welcome IT Professionals".

      I'm no fanboi for any retail chain. But there's some things I observed that first day shopping at the Naperville Fry's:

      1. I ran into three of my contemporaries, all accomplished IT professionals.

      2. When I talked to a guy in the computer components department about a logic board, he knew what chipsets were, which one I was using, why I chose it, and which boards used it.

      3. It was amazing to me that I had the option of buying a 19" relay rack, an oscilloscope, coffee (Love their french roast!!), computer components, and a vacuum cleaner. (And have over the years bought some very strange permutations of geeky products, and rejoiced at the opportunity)

      Strangest purchase combination: A DVD player, laser pointer, exercise DVD, tea, 19" relay rack, and a radio controlled car.

      4. I noticed that under certain circumstances I'll forgo internet shopping for the brick and mortar shopping experience- even if I pay more.

      Sadly, CompUSA never tried to touch the above market. As disjointed and strange as that product mix seems it *works*. CompUSA could have gotten a lot more techie in response to Best Buy. They didn't- and they lost.

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  10. Good riddance by ricegf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I purchased a computer from Computer City just before CompUSA bought them out - and it had trouble reading CDs. It was transferred from Computer City's shop to CompUSA's shop, where it languished for 13 weeks while I pleaded, cajoled and threatened. Finally liberated, I fixed it myself with a CD-ROM from Fry's (discovering in the process I didn't need some big box store to build PCs for me).

    Fast forward two years. I'm building a new computer, and Fry's doesn't have the graphics card I want. In a charitable mood, I buy one from CompUSA. It doesn't work. I return it to find they've sold out, too - but insist on charging me a 15% restocking fee, even after I complain to the manager. I asked him if he would enjoy my $30 (since it was the last dollar they'd ever see from me), and he simply assured me they would. He never even apologized for the trouble they caused.

    I never set foot in CompUSA again.

    Perhaps I'm not the only potentially loyal customer they drove away through sheer greed and incompetence.

  11. The Customer by DeanFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The chain went through several CEOs and tried different turnaround strategies... Except one: Customers are not our enemy.
  12. Guess they should've listened to Maddox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
  13. Re:Huh? by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Informative

    We don't have CompUSA in Israel, either, but the name is as familiar to me as McDonalds or Coca Cola (both of which we do have). That may be because I spend just a bit too much time online...

    I'm also surprised to see that they have but 100 branches. The fact that I am familiar with them shows how influential they are. I suppose though, that influential != [ big || successful ].

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    It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
  14. Opportunity by reboot246 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Seems that it would be a great opportunity for Fry's to buy a bunch of empty stores and gain thousands of customers. We don't have Fry's around here, but I'd shop there if they were willing to move in after CompUSA moves out.

    I shop at CompUSA by default -- it's the only computer store nearby. For most common things I just go to BestBuy or one of the bigbox office supply stores, but CompUSA has items that the others don't carry.

    With no CompUSA and no alternative, it looks like even more of my buying will be online.

  15. My experience is that Com-pooza is horrible. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Informative

    "... actually did carry much in the way of essential hardware such as fans, heatsync compound, screws, and other misc things."

    In Portland, Oregon the closing of CompUSA stores will mean that the retail Fry's store has no competition in selling the more unusual items. Since Fry's is very adversarial toward its customers, in my opinion, that will mean prices will rise.

    My experience is that Com-pooza is horrible, though.

    Both stores sell cables for more than $20 that cost less than $2 wholesale.

    1. Re:My experience is that Com-pooza is horrible. by module0000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of the key reasons for poor salesmanship in your experiences at best buy is that employees do not receive commission. I worked at the Best Buy in North Little Rock, AR once upon a time: and was paid $10.15 an hour to explain the computer sales section to customers. I would clarify what the technical terms on the price tag meant, and was also to encourage them to buy it. They really put alot of stock in the "encouragement" part, I was to recommend credit, attempt to rationalize how this would be more valuable to them than say: that upgrade for their auto, a new deck, etc.

      And...if they bought it, what did I get? Nothing, nada, zilch. Motivation to keep busting your balls? None.

      I don't know if the *other* departments in the store operate on a commission scale, but computer sales, music equipment, and music sales certainly did not, so you'll find the employees sales enthusiasm on par with the sub-standard compensation.

      That's my .02 cents.

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      Trackball users will be first against the wall.
    2. Re:My experience is that Com-pooza is horrible. by takshaka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The last time I remember being there I went in to buy an HP financial calculator and the only salesperson in the whole place that I could find ignored me over some couple that wound up not buying the computer they were asking about.
      I have yet to enter a BestBuy without being accosted by at least three salepersons. I think they are like cats, which invariably desire to sleep on the lap of the one person in the room with alergies. People like you who actually want to hold the pretty kitty are completely ignored.
  16. MY experience by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I remember is a service manager who said he'd look into something for me, and then didn't. And then when I confronted him with the fact that he wasn't following through on a promise, he didn't care. Neither did the store manager. It was clear that in their minds the problem was with me, rather than their crappy service or in not keeping their word.

    I don't much care what happens to the corporation. I want justice for those employees.

    1. Re:MY experience by itsnotmi · · Score: 3, Funny

      I had a completely different experience. My wife had her PC shipped over from Italy, and the processor became dislodged. I was out of town, so she took it in to CompUSA, and the guy (I think his name was Andy) remounted it without charging a dime. He calls occasionally just to check on the PC, stops by (usually when i'm at work...) oshit.

  17. Now where will I go to get gouged?? by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess its back to Radio Shack

  18. Good Riddance by CyberDave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All I can say is..."good riddance". I've been on a self-imposed boycott of CompUSA for about 2 and a half years now, after the dickhead of a manager at the CompUSA in Spokane, WA, wouldn't sell me the AppleCare package for my iPod and fed me so many lines of BS that I just wanted to jump over the counter and punch the guy after I was done talking to him.

    I kinda needed the AppleCare quickly at the time, though, since my iPod's hard drive was flaking out. It was still under the 1-year factory warranty (but nearing the end of it), but I didn't want to pay $40 or whatever the service fee is after 6 mos to do the exchange by mail with Apple, and thought the AppleCare package would be a good deal, since it'd essentially just cost me an extra 20 bucks for another year of warranty service. I thought it'd be quick and easy to get AppleCare in a retail store (and CompUSA was the only one in my area that carried Apple stuff), rather than waiting a few days for Apple to ship it to me. I was wrong.

    The manager at the CompUSA I went to kept insisting that I had to have purchased the iPod at CompUSA within the past 90 days, or Apple would deny the AppleCare registration. I tried to explain to him that's not how AppleCare works (the only thing in the box is a registration code, and Apple doesn't care where or when the iPod was purchased, other than that it was still under the 1-year factory warranty) -- having worked at an Apple reseller (my university bookstore) for several years, I knew this. Still wouldn't sell it to me. He tried to tell me that CompUSA was somehow different in this regard and that Apple would "know". Tried to convince him that I would take the risk of it not registering...still no go. Then he tried to tell me it was just store policy not to sell AppleCare if the iPod had not been purchased within 90 days from that store. Tried to get him to tell me where the hell this "policy" was actually written down...it should come as no surprise that he didn't even bother to try to look it up. Even tried, at one point, to tell me that if I had purchased the iPod more than 90 days ago, regardless of where I bought it, then the only place I could buy the AppleCare enrollment kit was directly from Apple.

    At this point, I was somewhat set on proving a point and getting AppleCare immediately, so I went to my campus computer lab nearby, logged onto CompUSA.com, and ordered the AppleCare package online for in-store pickup. Half an hour later, I was back in the store at the customer service desk, trying to pick up my online order from the (relatively clueless) salesperson there. I almost got away with it, until somewhere near the end of the checkout, either the salesguy flagged down the manager (or the manager happened to wander by--it was so long ago I can't quite remember), noticed it was me and what I was trying to do again, and shot me down. Apparently "the website was wrong" and shouldn't have let me order AppleCare.

    Since then, I haven't set foot in a CompUSA and moved even more of my computer parts purchases to places like NewEgg. Of course, now that I moved to Seattle, I have a Fry's nearby, and it's actually _fun_ to just wander around that store.

    I kept telling myself after that incident that I would write to CompUSA's corporate offices and complain about that manager, but I never got around to it. Oh, well. The kicker is that the following Monday, I went to my University Bookstore, walked up to my old manager and asked they had any AppleCare enrollment kits for iPod. They happened to have one or two in stock, so about 10 minutes later, after sharing a laugh about the idiocy of the CompUSA manager, I was back at my desk across campus and my iPod was now covered under AppleCare.

    Ah, the venting...it feels good.

    *end rant*

  19. What was their deal with taking credit cards? by TMeistro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    15 years ago I can understand why the might need an imprint of your card - but their refusal to give up the process was one of the reasons I hated going in there. A few years ago the store here got swipe readers and I thought... great! An then the cashier asked for my card - to imprint it on the reciept! WTF! Just plain stupid!

  20. Re:Good riddance by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How can they re stock a defective product?

    That's an easy one. It's called a shrink wrap machine. All the big stores have one. They just take the product you returned, shrinkwrap it and put some official-looking stickers on the outside so it looks factory fresh ... and throw it back on the shelf for the next sucker that comes along. Best Buy did that to me several times, so now I don't go to Best Buy. I'd rather order online and wait a few days than give those bloodsuckers another penny of my money. The last time I went there I bought a cordless phone system with three handsets: when I got it home and cracked the shrinkwrap and opened it up, I found that the handsets were all scuffed up like they'd been through a war, only one of them worked and it rattled when I shook it. Took it back and got a hard time. After talking to the store manager, they finally took it back, and I have no doubt it was out for sale again within the hour. I had similar experiences at CompUSA, and stopped going there some years ago as well. So far as I'm concerned, the big retailers have no cause for complaint when their sales drop: they've cut the quality of their operations to the point where you're safer buying online.

    Anyone remember Tandy's ill-fated "Computer City" stores? Same problems there, and guess what, they also are out of business. Hell, I spent fifty bucks (fifty bucks!) on a nice joystick, back in the days when I was playing Descent II a lot. Got it home, opened the box ... and found another destroyed device. Scuffed, scratched, case cracked, springs broken and yes, it rattled. I was back at Computer City's service desk within fifteen minutes, and was told that they couldn't take it back, because it was in "unsaleable condition". "Why is that a problem" I asked "I mean, you just sold it to me in that condition not half an hour ago." Guy refused to take it back. After a few more minutes of this, I'm starting to get upset, other customers are starting to take notice, an the store manager comes over. "What's the problem here?" I told him "I want to return this piece of junk I just bought." He also refused, and he said, "You must have done that to it." I said (rather loudly) "I JUST BOUGHT THE THING HALF AN HOUR AGO!" to which he replied, "Well, sometimes they come from the factory like that." Well, at that point I get very angry and all the checkout lanes have come to a halt as people are watching this byplay. This idiot looked around and saw that people were putting their purchases down and heading for the doors, and decided to give me my refund. Wanted to make it a store credit, and I said, "No way, I'm not coming back." So I got my cash, but I really had to work for it.

    And they wonder why nobody wants to shop brick-and-mortar anymore. It's not just that online ordering is somehow magically "better", sometimes it is nice to walk around an actual store, but these guys don't seem to be working very hard to make it worthwhile.

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    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  21. A Question.... by CuriousCuller · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm from Europe, so I don't really get it... but please, help me. Why is it that the majority of Americans (and many Europeans to be fair) seem to think that only "Big Name" chain stores can provide these essential services to them? As far as I can see this model seems to cater only for corporate greed mongers, and the crappy service you recieve seems directly related to this. What's was flaunted as capitalism has emerged as an oligopoly of one or two market leaders at best. I read here that people have only 2 stores to choose from in their town, or not even that many. Wow, there's choice in action. Might as well sell only two brands of cola and be done with it. You say "but hey, it's cheaper this way..." and sure, the chain stores might save you a few cents due to their vast economy of scale, but what about everything you loose to tighten the purse strings?

    You complain about the service, but greedy corporate chains don't pay much, so who works there? As the old adage goes, pay peanuts and you get monkeys. Moreover, as they're the only store in town you can like it lump it as far as they're concerned. No wonder they treat the public with contempt, we let them. Perhaps its time we returned to the old days of smaller, private stores??? After all, if my business relies on a good reputation and repeat trade I'm likely to offer a good service in return. Yes, things might cost a little more, but then you have to also ask the question about whether you're paying the true cost of anything these days. For example, I live in the Sub-Carpathian region, but amazingly bananas are cheaper than apples in the supermarket! Eh? Same for most products now, be it computers, food, clothes... all the same, someone gets screwed somewhere because the end user is tight fisted. Maybe, just maybe, we have to stop thinking about everything in simple $$$$ terms. People say they saved x number of cents on a product, but wasted x number of hours (and stress) when it didn't work, went wrong etc.

    I for one will continue to support my local, privately run computer store. I pay a little more, but I get to talk to a guy who knows what he's on about, can find what I want and competently fix my machine when it's wrong. I save a lot this way, time and blood pressure namely, and as an added bonus I know a decent chap's getting paid fairly for his work. Chain stores will never compete with that level of service, not in a million years.

    1. Re:A Question.... by BenFranske · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that in the United States the local shops have several things going against them. First, the selection is often not all that good which is a problem for informed consumers who usually want one of a couple options none of which may be carried by the small retailer. Second, and perhaps more important to Americans is the price difference. It's usually a lot more than the few cents you cite. Often a product will cost at least tens of dollars more and depending on the price of the product perhaps $50 or $100 more from a local store. These are not insignificant price differences and people, at least Americans, will put up with just about anything to save $5. Unless your local store is within $5 on just about everything you will loose customers to the big store no matter how much better your service is, many are not. This is not to say there are not successful small, local computer (and other) stores but there are a limited number of them, usually in densely populated cities making it much more convenient for most consumer to shop at the (much closer and much less less expensive) big box retailer.

    2. Re:A Question.... by vranash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honestly, around here it's because the small box stores have *WORSE* return policies, charge way too much for service and whatnot, and generally treat their customers as bad or worse than the big box stores.

      At least that's been my experience. Best thing to happen to me was having Fry's move in here back in '99. Had a defective mobo that turned out to have been a return, as well as being sold a Rage IIC (Something I didn't figure out until much later, and hadn't returned, heh.) which after having the employees tell me they couldn't take back, led to speaking to the manager, who basically stated he didn't have to do anything, he'd only take it back for store credit, blah blah. This finally led to my dad coming in, having left the item in the car, convincing the guy to take it back (he was assuming we'd have to make another trip, and could pull this BS again.) and returned the item for cash.

      Long story short, went to fry's, got a new mobo, fought through a 2 hour opening week line, and came home happy (with a *MUCH* better mobo for the same or lower price!). I've had plenty of hassles at Fry's themselves, but as long as you don't buy a warranty, watch out for open box tags (which they at least *USED* to put on everything returned.), and don't mind the wait, they tend to handle their returns VERY effectively with a minimum of hassle (After about the third return they'll look at you funny, but if you're on the third return of the same defective type item, you're best off getting your money back anyways! Just make sure you test the item ASAP since I think it's a 7 day return policy on electronics.)

    3. Re:A Question.... by pla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is it that the majority of Americans (and many Europeans to be fair) seem to think that only "Big Name" chain stores can provide these essential services to them?

      Because in the US, only huge chain stores survive. We can largely blame ourselves for that, but such it stands.

      Small stores have two major problems... First, they can't get as good prices for small quantities as WallyWorld can when they buy out a manufacturer's entire production run, so they need to survive on a thinner margin. Second, they have less ability to absorb losses - When Walmart eats the cost of a high-end TV, it shows up as a miniscule blip on the monthly report; when a Mom-n-Pop does the same, it could well mean ending that month in the red.

    4. Re:A Question.... by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm from Europe, so I don't really get it... but please, help me. Why is it that the majority of Americans (and many Europeans to be fair) seem to think that only "Big Name" chain stores can provide these essential services to them? I tried supporting the smaller shops, really I did. Pre-web I would check out computer shopper then visit the local shops looking for the item in question. I tried to support the shops that were most supportive of me when I was a teen, but they all gave up the ghost. The ones which remained pretty much ordered from computer shopper on demand with the exception of a few.

      There is an indy shop that has been around for a few years which I will continue to support, except for ram. Ram is one of those things i'll always mail order.
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    5. Re:A Question.... by BubbaJonBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

      A couple of things. In Europe land is scarce and expensive - even if someone wanted to build a specialty "super-store" they'd have a hard time trying to figure out where to put it and pay for it. Not to mention people over there have enough sense to treasure what they have and not tear it down when they decide something bigger is called for. Quite frankly we have a tendency to build shit that is more utilitarian than aesthetic so it's not too hard to decide it should go ;-). Second, gas is cheaper here and the distances between cities large enough to support a super-store are greater. In Europe things are closer together and gas is so much more expensive that it has fostered a shop near home mentality. Don't take this as a put-down - I love the way Europe has maintained a village style community for the most part, I'm simply trying to explain.

  22. Where they went wrong by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Informative

    I personally will miss CompUSA. In our area they are in the same shopping center as Best Buy, and it was very common for me to park midway between them and get prices from both stores before buying. And contrary to most folks' comments, our local CompUSA was always very well-stocked. If both Best Buy and CompUSA had a good sale, we would be almost guaranteed of getting it at CompUSA, and almost guaranteed of NOT getting it at Best Buy. Of course you had to pick-and-choose what you bought there, like any store. Their cable prices were ridiculous (I buy all my cables from newegg), but they often had really good deals on hard drives, memory, video boards, keyboards, mice and such. And they always had a much broader selection of computer stuff than Best Buy.

    Anyhow, where I think they went wrong was getting into consumer electronics like big screen TVs. Their prices were outrageous and their store displays were woeful. And the thing that drove me the most crazy was they never even bothered to properly set up the TVs. They would always be running noisy content with maladjusted displays in the wrong aspect ratio, in a bright environment. I was actually embarrassed for them. In all my years of going there I never, ever saw anyone in a checkout line or leaving their store with a TV in their cart, as contrasted with Best Buy, where it was commonplace.

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  23. 11 years since last visit to Fry's... by AetherBurner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I last visited a Fry's, it was in Fountain Valley, CA. One parking lot entrance - always constant in/out traffic. You would go in and it's "Where do I START??" They had anything you possibly would want for a weekend hackingfest. I could get raw IC's, resistors, caps, honest aluminum heat sinks, asides from the obligatory wide layout of almost every motherboard made out there - plus SCSI adapter cards!. Don't try and get there on Black Friday. Even though the store was on a side street, people would park on main road and hike in. I really miss that store and I would be pleasantly shocked to hear if it has not changed.

    CompUSA was CompFUSA. No stock. Prices were higher than the street for most items. The staff and their training was nil. As I look back, I have hardly bought any good hardware lately, except for a couple of DVD drives for the kids systems and a power supply for one that decided to go poof. My personal webserver is on a Celeron, my BigBox is an Athlon64 and my laptop is a T42. My next purchase will be probably be a hard drive for BigBox, just based on age. I don't see why I have to keep desperately upgrading my hardware just because something new comes out. I am seeing BestBuy cutting back on their computer stock here. They took out about 20% of their computer supply floor area to put in a fou-fou Apple kiosk that shows about 5 models.

    I would expect that in the next few years, most stores like BestBuy and CircuitCity will be ditching their computer parts and that will be relegated to Fry's, NewEgg, and a couple of online retailers as they concentrate on TV's when the analog channels shut down here in the US and everyone scrambles for new boobtoobs.

    As everyone else is saying - When will Fry's be moving to my area - Milwaukee/Chicago.

    -- Aetherburner

              "In the company of wind, dust achieves great heights. In the company of rain, it's mud."

    1. Re:11 years since last visit to Fry's... by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Don't try and get there on Black Friday.

      Oh, jeez, I wish you'd posted that in 2006. We were having Thanksgiving with our daughter in Vegas where they have a Fry's, I'd heard of their super loss leaders, and I decided to check it out.

      There were at least a dozen employees directing parking traffic in their lot and an adjoining patch of desert. The checkout line stretched through the entire store -- up one aisle, down the next, end to end. You couldn't wheel a cart to the department you wanted; you had to just "mow the lawn" with everybody else, picking up stuff as you passed it. Never again.

      rj

  24. Monthly trip to Argentina by AlpineR · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, I used to think that Tower Records had a great selection of alternative music, dozens of listening stations so I could sample the music (in the days before iTunes and Amazon made that easy online), and a not-too-corporate-and-homogeneous atmosphere.

    But then I went to Argentina for a weekend and the Tower Records there was a total mess. I'd never heard of half the bands in their inventory and the clerks couldn't even speak English! I was so disappointed that I never went to another Tower back in the USA.

    Seriously, the Internet killed record stores, whether through piracy, ease of use, or changes in listening habits. Music retail seems to consist only of bland, mass-market selections in book stores and electronic stores nowadays. Tower was my favorite of the non-independent stores, but I'm not surprised that the market changes killed them.

  25. Re:EggHead became NewEgg dummkopf by jht · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, Newegg and Egghead had nothing to do with one another. Amazon bought what was left of Egghead back in (I think) 1999 or so when their online-only strategy failed. Newegg was a separate startup that was started down in California (Egghead was based in the Seattle area).

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    -- Josh Turiel
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  26. They Screwed Radio Shack by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    CompUSA was founded in 1984 as software seller Soft Warehouse, then branched out into computers. It took on the CompUSA name and went public in 1991. It bought Tandy's Computer City chain.

    I always wondered why Radio Shack didn't turn into a huge computer retailer, which was a perfect growth for the only store like that until PCs got huge, even selling the first laptop to sell well, the TRS-80 Model 100. Evidently it was CompUSA that contractually obligated the Shack to stay mainly a Battery Club. I be the Shack would have made something closer to Fry's, but instead with actual live nerds all too willing to explain the inventory.
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    1. Re:They Screwed Radio Shack by __aasmho4525 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      apparently you weren't around for the short life of Incredible Universe?

    2. Re:They Screwed Radio Shack by Watts+Martin · · Score: 2, Informative

      I always wondered why Radio Shack didn't turn into a huge computer retailer, which was a perfect growth for the only store like that... They tried.

      It's been lost to the mists of time now, but Radio Shack was doing the equivalent of the Apple Store a quarter-century ago, with the "Radio Shack Computer Center" stores. They were not only huge in the pre-PC days, they were the leader in "PC clones" for a while.

      In the early '90s, though, they decided the Tandy Computer brand just wasn't making it anymore, and they decided to go all-out for retailing. They sold their computer divisions (which included Victor and GRiD) to AST, spun off other brands they owned that were marketed through non-Tandy stores (like Memorex), and opened Computer City, Edge in Electronics, and Incredible Universe. They also bought a couple other chains like McDuff's and Video Concepts.

      What killed that path, basically, was in part what just did in CompUSA: Best Buy and Circuit City, combined with bottom-barrel retailers like Wal-Mart. The other part was Incredible Universe itself: picture stores that were 150,000+ square feet, had child care centers and restaurants, and were consciously patterned after Disney theme parks in terms of style and customer service. Basically, Fry's with ten times the dazzle and ten times the overhead.

      By the late '90s Radio Shack decided to concentrate only on the little mall stores. I'm not sure how they're doing these days, but a few years ago, at least, this strategy seemed to have worked out pretty well for them, even though old fart TRS-80 users like myself miss the old chain.
    3. Re:They Screwed Radio Shack by kevorkian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats because you dont remember ( or are too young ) to remember the REAL radio shack. Back when you could get one of the 10001 electronic project kits.Or where you could talk to the guy behind the counter about using a 10k resistor in place for a 8k one and look at the schematic for the circuit and understand it. Yes now its all about the "service plan warranty" or selling you a cell phone , or even that private label credit card that they change the name of every few years.

  27. Changing tactics did them in by GregPK · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first thing that built them up as a company. Good salespeople who were paid good commissions. It was typical for people to make 40-50k a year in sales. Even those in software did well.

    Then, management(VP's, RM's, DM's) somehow went crazy. Sales were going down a little. So, they started to go crazy on people anytime something was amiss. Maybe perhaps pressure will increase sales, In reality more training and more unity would have.

      Then they bought out good Guy's. They took away the commissions, and fired 95 percent of the sales staff who all ended up in better jobs. This left the incompetants on the floor who really had no motivation to sell other than pressure. They never trained them properly either. Even worse, they all now made about 6-9 bucks an hour. For these people the job was just a fling. Nothing they cared about beyond the next check for booze. Even the ones who did care weren't promoted to a place that they could do anything.

    Then, they started to model what good guys had been doing in creating high end selling rooms with pretty fixtures(expensive). However, there were no high end sales people to sell them. So what happened? Duh....

    The pay consistently sucked. Good employees where like finding needles in a haystack. Even then, they never respected them if they were good. The management was always overworked. What did they expect? It's like the entire chain suddenly lost vision with the real world.

  28. as someone by waspleg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    who used to work there (10 years ago) i can tell you that this has been along time coming, yes they were somewhat overpriced on a lot of items but the worst thing was pissing people of with being out of the advertised specials as many people have pointed out

    what i've not seen mentioned is that this was done on purpose, at least at the store where i worked at (indianapolis) i worked at the parts counter selling harddrives/ram/whatever and they would put out massive ads for ram that was like half retail price but they would only stock maybe 5 or 6 sticks (which i often bought all of myself ;P) and it was bsaically just used as a device to get people in the store.

    on top of that they had a rampant theft problem, i worked there during high school and while i wasn't part of the group i knew about 10 people who were organized in stealing shit from the store and reselling it to their friends, that group expanded until they were eventually caught but even then they worked out a deal with some kind of minor fine and returning all the shit that they knew was missing (a fraction of the actual), that went on for at least a year that i'm aware of.

    compusa has alwasy had a better selection adn lower prices than the likes of circuit city though (at least around here), so i am kind of surprised to see them closing down, they moved out of free standing buildings and into a nearby strip mall here cause the rent was too high on the land they were on (someone once told me it was like $30,000 a month or more and they supposedly owned the building)

    i'm almost certain teh last nail in the coffin of the one here has to be Fry's even though its further away frys has an obscene amount of shit at far lower prices than anyone else around here (hardware specifically) and they finally made it out here, and when they did no one i knnow who builds their own machines goes anywhere else (myself included).

    waspleg

  29. Bad purchasing dept. was:Re:Meh. by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From my experience working at CompUSA back around 1997-1999 (Store #787, Minnetonka, MN), I can tell you that the problem you noted was system-wide for the chain. And IMHO, the problem's source was with the people who did purchasing for the company. As far as I could ever tell, the purchasing was exactly the same for the entire chain - hence if one store was out of product X, there wouldn't be any to be found anywhere else, either. This was particularly problematic with advertised items.

    I was my observation that the quantity of an item purchased for sales at a store was only proportional to the markup of the item. Hence, every week we would get in several pallets of CD jewel cases, but only a dozen of the hard drive advertised on the front page. Following week, we'd still have half a pallet of jewel cases left over, and we're out of hard drives - yet two more pallets of jewel cases came in and even fewer hard drives than the previous week. It of course took very little time before the store was swamped with jewel cases and out of hard drives.

    And to further screw up the situation, there was no way for us to communicate with the people in charge of purchasing, and they never visited the stores in person. As an example, we asked for years for the store to carry case fans - which was an item that was listed with a very nice markup percentage in the special order inventory - yet it wasn't until years after I left that they finally did. But yet during that time interval, they tried selling (MIDI) keyboards, remote controlled cars, camcorders, cell phones, and television sets.

    I was just glad that the last time I stopped by my old place of employment, none of the capable co-workers that slugged it out there with me were still stuck there. They had all taken better jobs - primarily at best buy, circuit city, or microcenter. And of course the best of us finished our college degrees and got out of retail altogether...

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  30. Don't wait for Fry's, find a small store/chain. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you tried looking for a computer store that isn't part of a big chain? I generaly prefer small stores because there you find people who know what they're selling and who can give you decent advice on what to buy, decent hardware at usually decent prices and service that the big guys just can't match.

    Example: I needed some thermal grease for an emergency repair. I drove to a small local store and asked for some; what gets handed to me is a small tube that they just happened to have lying around, free of charge. They didn't need it and couldn't sell it, so I could have it.

    Example: Another time, my graphics card became screwy and I didn't have a second PCIe card to replace it with. It was 17:40, twenty minutes before the store closes. I call them and ask them if they can close a bit later as I need to make an emergency purchase. No problem at all, they tell me. 18:05 I walk into the store and buy "the cheapest NVidia PCIe card you have".

    You don't get that kind of service with the big chains. Sure, they might have a bigger selection, but the independent/small-chain stores generally have everything you might need in a hurry and can back-order stuff they don't have. And even if they can't always match the big players' prices, the service is in an entirely different league.

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    1. Re:Don't wait for Fry's, find a small store/chain. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I didn't think of that. Over here, credit cards aren't as popular as in the USA, so it doesn't matter whether most small stores take them at all or charge extra. (It's understandable that they do; supporting CCs is expensive.)

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  31. I sure wouldn't want to be in their business by anorlunda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Remember those computer fairs that used to come around? They suffered from the same problem that eventually got Comp-USA but they dropped out earlier.

    I remember being amazed at the dramatic changes that the fairs and the computer stores had to make to stay alive. At first it was pretty much desktop PC hardware and accessories that was their bread and butter. Later, most of the shelf space for hardware was turned over to boxed software. Then, as people started buying software online, the boxed software offerings disappeared. Then, they had to turn to selling media, and finally, things like TV and audio systems to stay alive.

    Today, there's little action in desktop machines. Everyone wants laptops and the laptop era seems about to roll over to the mobile device era.

    What an amazing series of sea changes in the public buying preferences within a time span of 15 years or less. Each one of those changes would have seemed astounding in any other field. In high tech consumer digital stuff, it just keeps coming and coming.

    Most businesses never survive even a single cycle of having to reinvent their business model. In the case of consumer electronics, it seems that if you can't reinvent yourself over and over again, you're toast. Like I said, I sure wouldn't want to be in their business.

  32. Re:Good riddance by AFCArchvile · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe it's because, for some reason, returning certain defective items to the vendor is more costly (in all ways: money, time, relationship with vendor) than re-shrinkwrapping a product that performs its function acceptably. Some managers inevitably stretch this a bit and put unacceptable products back in the box. And if this was a perfect world, there would be a discount gondola with product boxes marked as previously used and of acceptable quality, with a proportional discount. I believe that MicroCenter still has a discount counter in their stores. BestBuy and CompUSA would sometimes just reshrinkwrap the box to make it look like a new product.

    First guideline when purchasing tech stuff at a physical store: LOOK AT THE BOX. Has it been damaged in any way, particularly in the locations that would see wear upon opening? Any sticker tears from the box being opened? If the box's surface (not counting the shrinkwrap) looks in pristine condition, then chances are you're safe. One advantage to those annoying clamshell cases that require a 5 watt laser to open is that you can obviously tell if it has been previously opened.

    One thing that any retail store needs to learn in order to succeed is to be able to fall on their own sword for the customer. If it's a $50 joystick, eat the cost, make the customer happy. If it's a $300 videocard, this guy probably posts on some gaming forums and could have a devastating regional or national effect on your sales; eat the cost, make the customer happy. $1799 laptop? Okay, that's going to be a bit painful, but the manufacturer's warranty department is responsible here, unless they bought a replacement plan, in which case that department can assist the customer. But you don't make a customer so angry that they vow to never let you serve them again, and that they tell their friends locally or nationwide to never frequent your establishment.

    Unfortunately, "make the customer happy" is becoming a victim to the rampant cost cutting that has been going on in the business world in the past 10 years or so. Anything that costs the company money is irrationally labeled "a bad thing" and verboten. Even "make the customer happy" costs the company money, so it MUST be a bad thing.

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  33. Re:I like going to the tigerdirect store in Chicag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I ordered a video card from Tiger Direct. Later on I started receiving emails from them with subject lines like "Important info about your recent order" but the emails were just advertising and had nothing to do with my order. To me that is dishonest and underhanded. I will never buy from Tiger Direct after that.

  34. Re:EggHead became NewEgg dummkopf by Thrymm · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are correct:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egghead_Software

    "Egghead was hurt by a December of 2000 revelation that hackers had accessed its systems and potentially compromised customer credit card data. The company filed for bankruptcy in August of 2001. After a deal to sell the company to Fry's Electronics for $10 million fell through, its assets were acquired by Amazon.com for $6.1 million."

  35. Re:Good riddance by charlievarrick · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Purely hypothetically,maybe they are getting a vendor credit for the "allowance" but selling the "defective" merchandise anyway.

    Home Depot has been investigated for this - http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/5401128?f=search

  36. They're all the same by Avatar8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As someone who lives in the Dallas area, I have had the opportunity to shop at all of the stores being discussed here.

    Computer City was good for the little things and gadgets: cables, CDs, accessories, books, etc. It was not a place from which anyone with any intelligence would purchase a computer. Good prices and decent customer service. When CompUSA bought them, it changed drastically. It still was not a place from which to buy a computer, but with CompUSA at the helm prices went up and service went down.

    Best Buy, the running joke of technology stores. Poor choice of brands to sell, jacked up prices, the most ignorant computer salespeople I've ever encountered, close to the worst customer service I've ever experienced and protection plans for generating more income everywhere you turn. Let's not even talk about the useless-before-they-were-exposed-for-collecting-porn-and-personal-information Geek Squad.

    Circuit City is less of a computer store than Office Depot. They carry a small variety of name brand computers which they buy straight from the manufacturer in bulk and then jack up the price. Besides being as ignorant as Best Buy salespeople, Circuit City people work on commission last I heard, so you get attacked as soon as you look at any high dollar item.

    CompUSA used to be reliable and would provide good customer service... if you worked at a business that could afford it. Home users were SoL. As someone else posted if you were unfortunate enough to relinquish your PC to this store, when you got it back not only had two successor computers been released but the amount you paid for the repair could have bought you a brand new computer. They definitely fell behind the curve of every technology they tried to sell. As with most brick and mortar stores, they're structure doesn't allow them to stay ahead of the availability or price curve.

    Microcenter makes CompUSA look affordable and friendly. Unless the item you want is on sale then you'll likely pay 25-50% more for it than you would if you bought it online. The only item I've found Microcenter to be useful for is books. They have an extensive selection of technology books and thankfully, they don't mark them up from the cover price.

    Fry's, the current darling of geeks everywhere, is showing some of the worst practices of any of these stores mentioned above. Fry's must keep their shrinkwrap machines running at full speed. This mainly centers on computer components. It is rare to see the always-long return line populated by people carrying TVs or small appliances; they almost always have a computer component in their hands. I know that's what put me in that line three times last year until I finally learned my lesson. I suspect that since Fry's has its own computer service department that this group has free will over the components that come into the store. They "borrow" from inventory to troubleshoot and then package the item back up and put it on the shelf. Ever notice how *every* motherboard box on the shelf is only sealed by strapping? How easy is that to re-package? Aside from creating/allowing product defects, Fry's also has poor customer service. Good luck finding someone to help you in any department except printers and TVs where they obviously get commission. Read the fine print on the back of the receipt carefully and ignore it, because if you show any signs of frustration from your experience with them, they'll likely refuse your exchange/return and blow you off. I also feel Fry's deliberately causes store rushes by offering irresistable sales on items and only carrying a limited number per store. (I recall going to Fry's at lunch to check on a sale item. When I asked about it, the employee laughed and said, "Oh, you have to get here before we open for those items.") I strongly suspect that Fry's has a great many underhanded dealings going on as well, and I predict within the next five years they will be exposed.

    What choice does that leave anyone who only has a choice of purchasing computers or components