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Alpine 1.00 Brings Pine Back
TreeDork alerts us that Alpine 1.00 has now been released by the University of Washington. The full source and documentation are available."On the surface, Alpine will appear strikingly similar to the Pine Message System, and it is upwards-compatible for existing Pine users. Alpine is released under the Apache License, Version 2.0. The source code has been reorganized from the ground up to separate the user interface code from the underlying email engine itself. All of the source needed to build Unix, Windows, and Web-based mail user agents is included.
Is Alpine still not elm?
Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
You suggested webmail to a pine user? Prepare to be flogged!
The real question is "Why bother when you can use mutt?"
Glad I wore my asbestos boxers today.
Why, in my day, we just had mail. That was it. Just mail. No fancy HTML support, fonts or colors, no menus. Just commands. And we liked it that way!
You kids and your newfangled elm, pine, alpine, whatever...now you kids get offa my lawn!
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Yes, brave anonymous coward, you are correct. Mutt is the king of mail clients.
But seriously, there are great reasons to use a mail client instead of webmail. Offline access and/or synchronization is a major one. Also it lets you compose in your favorite editor easily.
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I used Pine as my primary e-mail client for years but in modern times it started to seriously lack important features like real S/MIME support. Anyone know if this has been added yet? There doesn't appear to be any documentation on the site.
I love the webmail responses, LOL. Yeah, you guys just keep trusting some 3rd party to handle your private mail. What could possibly go wrong?
Why bother when you can use gmail or any one of a number of excellent webmail clients.
6 very important reasons spring to mind:
1. WebMail is *really* slow compared to PINE
2. FireFox with a webmail system in it takes up many times the screen space
3. I don't especially want to trust a third party with my private data
4. I don't want my mail to be inaccessible when some 3rd party web mail server goes tits-up
5. If I run my own MTA I can do some useful automated stuff with things like procmail
6. I happen to like the interface
I'm sure I could think of plenty of other reasons if pushed. Asking "why bother?" on the assumption that everyone's requirements must be identical to yours is pretty arrogant...
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I don't know if vi or vim has a mail client (though I do sometimes use it to edit text), but your comment reminds me of an old quote, which I can't just recall exactly, about programs expanding until they have a mail client... "All programs expand until they can read mail..." perhaps?
Meh, I'm just as happy using mutt if I have to check my email without a GUI, and if I'm doing that it almost always means that I have access to webmail as well ('cause I'd be using SSH to use mutt...).
I wank in the shower.
Does vi /var/spool/mail/$USER count? :-)
Need I go on? Or should I just say everyone has different requirements like the parent did?
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"I use pine - not because its necessarily the greatest email reader ever, but because Im used to it, and it does what I need it to do with a minimum of fuzz." -- Linus Torvalds
I use it for exactly the same reasons. Actually, when I went to university in 1998, Pine was the recommended mail client. I was a relative n00b to the Internet, though computer savvy, and I liked the text based interface. This was on Windows 3.1 with 32-bit extensions, on a 486 with 8 MB RAM, also my first web server ;)
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You got to use mail? Luxury! Luxury, I tell's you.
Back in my day, all we got was a telnet client and a dns query tool
Bah, kids don't know they're born these days.
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If Microsoft keeps on going the way they are going, we might actually arrive back at text-only email at some time in the near future.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Mut just is not nearly as easy to use as pine/alpine is. I tried mutt once, it went like this:
...
Q:How do I get mutt to send mail directly to my ISP's SMTP server?
A:Mutt is a mail user agent not a mail transfer agent
Q: How do I get mutt to read mail from my IMAP mailbox?
A:Mutt is a mail user agent not a mail transfer agent
Q: How do I get mutt to keep an address book?
A: Use this extra 3rd party perl script, or this 3rd party perl script or
You had DNS?!
/etc/hosts on each systems.
Lucky.
We just had a really huge, sloppily-maintained copy of
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Actualy, I ditched mutt in favor of cone about six months ago. It's got a good chance of stealing the mutt crown.
And you know, if you tell that to the kids today, they don't believe you!
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My reason for Pine (or mutt or such) as an option (as well as a personal webmail install and using Tbird most of the time):
Nothing... absolutely nothing works as well at 28.8k. This road warrior ends up doing dial-up on a not-infrequent basis, even today.
I agree that webmail sucks, but 3, 4 and 5 aren't why.
3. I don't especially want to trust a third party with my private data4. I don't want my mail to be inaccessible when some 3rd party web mail server goes tits-up
5. If I run my own MTA I can do some useful automated stuff with things like procmail
Those are just reasons to run your own MTA. If you happen to like webmail, you can run your own webmail server. I run my own MTA and I use sqwebmail to provide the service for my family members who prefer webmail. I also use it occasionally when I want to check my e-mail from a computer other than one of my own.
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7. It's configurable. I use fetchmail to consolidate email from several accounts, and I access them via Pine. Much more convenient than logging into several different webmail accounts.
8. It is remotely accessible (with SSH). I love the ability to check my email remotely very quickly, without having to do webmail (slow) or download my email to a remote machine. SSH into my machine, run pine. Quick and simple. (even if you have to download putty from a remote site)
I can do everything I need to using pine, but when it is more convenient to use another client (e.g. view an email with many images attached) I just fire up Thunderbird. That happens maybe once every couple of weeks. And no, I don't use mutt... I've heard it's better, but just haven't gotten around to trying it.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
You're right. You're probably not going to get much better than Google's spam filter anyway.
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Hmm, missed an opportunity then. Okay, here goes
*sharp intake of breath*
Why when I was young all we got was a PDP-11 with a card puncher with cards that we had to give to the office boy who'd get on his bike, take to the cards and the one card reader the company had to the other office where they'd read them in reply to the message and the give the cards with the replay, and the reader back to the boy who'd bring the reply back to our office!
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I did switch to mutt a few years back (along with all the cool kids), after 2-3 months I switched back. Pine is available, requires minimal configuration and works the same on every box I have access to.
Not to ask the obvious question but where did pine ever go?
:-P
I've been using pine for as long as I've had email. Probably for the same reasons everyone else is. It does exactly what I need. I'm lazy. And it's worked for the past 10+ years.
So I'm not sure that pine ever went anywhere to begin with.
It's good that they've fixed the licence at last. The old PINE licence was a problem for distributions; getting it to work the way a particular distro wanted required modifying it, which -- for .rpm / .deb based distributions with pre-compiled packages -- was against the strictest interpretation of the terms. UW always tended to turn a blind eye to this (even hosting modified RPMs), but this isn't something you should ever rely on.
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Which would of course be Emacs.
YOU HAD LOWERCASE LETTERS? BACK IN MY DAY ASCII WAS UPPERCASE ONLY. DAMN KIDS!
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Gmail does have more functionality, but I can access PINE from everywhere using PuTTY (which I keep on a flash drive) or a web emulator.
"All programs attempt to expand until they can read mail. Those that can't are replaced by those that can." -- Jamie Zawinzki
Because its one of fastest most effective mail clients out there?
Pine is awesome because anytime you have an SSH client, you have your mail. You also get to skip most spam, html crap in email, a easy text based interface, and no need for a gui.
The only thing annoying about it was its license, now Alpine has all that minimalistic goodness and is under the Apache license.
And if you add 'editor=/usr/bin/vim' to ~/.pinerc, it's perfect.
I'm pretty sure mutt lets you use whatever (terminal) text editor you want doesn't it?
set editor=vim
Vim doesn't need to email if email clients can use vim. Aside from that you could always pipe the current document to postfix/sendmail.
These are kind of irrelevant now that Gmail supports IMAP. I have my mail stored for offline use in Thunderbird or I can pull it down with fetchmail if I really wanted to, or just have it forwarded to me at my home MTA as well for archival. I can also use Alpine with IMAP so I can access it from a text console.
I have a question for you: why do you advocate mediocrity? this is slashdot after all, we should be appreciating quality things.
I use pine, GMail and Opera mail and find them all somewhat useful.
pine is good at firing up a quick email or checking something fast because I always have a few terminals open.
Opera mail is my main client because it's fast, has a great interface and does not keep all the emails in one bigass file, which makes me sleep better at night and allows me to just browse/search the filesystem for a particular message.
and GMail is good for those times when I'm not at work or home and I don't have access to my usual machines. but it's slow as shit (the basic HTML interface is OK, but I can't find a way to make it default, I always have to switch to it) and generally awkward to work with. yes, with the introduction of SMTP things are a lot better because of the hefty amount of space it provides. and sane access for once.
so yeah, there's lots of way to read your email but web clients are the "best" only if you have no idea how good the alternatives are. webmail is just a necessary evil. feel free to disagree, but quality != popularity.
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Absolute speed is important to a fairly small number of users.
Yes. But it is important to me and probably quite a few other people, so it is a factor in "why bother?". Just because _you_ don't consider it important doesn't mean that other people are the same. Just declaring that something is pointless because you don't have a requirement for it seems rather arrogant.
And windowing systems essentially make that complaint obsolete. Unless you weren't aware that resizing, overlapping, and hiding windows are basic features in nearly all windowing systems.
It isn't obsolete at all - if I want my mail client at the front (because I'm using it), I probably want to see other windows at the same time so I can refer to them when writing mail. Having lots of clutter such as forward buttons, back buttons, address bar, etc is completely pointless - it isn't useful when reading and writing email.
Best not let your email get routed over the Internet, then. In general, however, this is the killer feature of hosting your own mail.
Aside from the fact that some of my email goes via secure connections anyway, if someone wants to read my mail they have to sit there watching each one go past on the wire. Whereas if I stored my mail on a third party server, anyone with access to that server would have instant access to several years' worth of archived mail. I know Google have a "don't be evil" policy but I don't have complete faith in *any* large company not to make use of information they have access to.
Doing a statistical analysis on a large mail archive is pretty easy, sitting there doing a similar analysis by watching the data on the wire is much harder.
How many people want to run their own high availability email server?
Not many, but that is hardly the point is it - the fact that some of us want to run our own MTA is enough to answer the "why bother?" question. In the early 90's, not many people wanted to run Linux, so clearly there was absolutely no point in Linus starting to develop it, right?
The mail server doesn't necessarily have to be "high availability" anyway - if my internet connection breaks then I can't send and receive mail. If I were using a third party webmail system then I wouldn't be able to access any of my archived mail either - I consider that a severe disadvantage.
Also, a large service provider is a bigger target for attack (whether that be a DoS, or an actual compromise leading to a data leak).
You've got one there, but like the absolute speed, it's an edge case.
And again you're falling into the trap of thinking "I don't need it, so it's a waste of time for anyone to develop software that does it since everyone has exactly the same requirements as me".
Totally subjective, and definitely not generally applicable.
Yes, it's subjective - why does that make my point any less valid? The original question of "why bother?" is answered pretty well by "because quite a few people quite like it" - it applies to a lot of other things too. For example, why are there so many different window managers around? They all do more or less the same stuff, but in different ways - the answer is clearly because some people prefer one interface to another.
Considering the abilities conferred to Gmail's spam filtering through the massive aggregation of email they have available
You should read some analyses on spam - quite a lot of them conclude that there is often very little to be gained by aggregating your filter-training across many users' mail rather than training based on just the individual's mail. This is because the types of mail different people receive are very different and using one persons mail when training another person's filters can increase the false-positive rate.
HTTP can be routed over SSH, so basically, webmail works just fine. Telnet is kind of a joke.
Depends very much on the device you are using. Generally I use an IMA
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I'm a long time vi user but pico feels far more natural for composing an email. If I want to use vi, I do the editing in another terminal and ^R it.
Those are just reasons to run your own MTA. If you happen to like webmail, you can run your own webmail server. I run my own MTA and I use sqwebmail to provide the service for my family members who prefer webmail. I also use it occasionally when I want to check my e-mail from a computer other than one of my own.
The original poster cited "like Gmail" - sure, you can run your own webmail system, but it was pretty apparent that the original poster was talking about 3rd party servers.
And yes, I run my own MTA, and read my mail using Alpine. Other members of my family use Thunderbird and Squirrelmail to access the same server. I accept that different people have different requirements - I don't look at a mail client that people obviously find useful and say "why bother?". This is one objection I have to "personal messaging" systems on web-forums - people treat them like email, but you're stuck using whatever crumby interface the forum owner thought was nice instead of getting to choose a client that best meets your requirements.
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Hmm. Can I access Gmail when I'm not connected to the internet?
That may seem like a silly question, but there have been many times that I've had my laptop with me somewhere where there's no internet access, and I needed to check something in my e-mail archives.
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Okay, I already knew I was special, but to be one of only eight people to use Pine? That's really special!
You can always run your own webmail server, because a webbrowser is much more likely to be available than a ssh client.
Or you could just use 'vim' as your default editor from within Pine:
;)
--Go to Setup | Enable Alternate Editor && Enable Alternate Editor implicitly
--Also in Setup, set the "Editor" command to "/path/to/vim"
Voila! All your editing is done using good ole vim
Perhaps because, while you prefer a webmail client, you want to be able to add features on your own, and have control of your own server. From TFS:
Probably not a compelling reason for most Gmail users to switch, but this is Slashdot, not a forum directed at the average user.
I've tried using mutt, but there seems to be a big learning curve before a mere mortal can use it. Pine was self-explanatory from the start, with on-screen menus that made everything easy. On the other hand, Pine ran on a university server that was already configured for my account. So my memory may be colored by the fact that I didn't have to set up Postfix or create mail directories, which may have been necessary had I run Pine on my own computer. APC: What software do you use everyday? Your browser, desktop (if any), email client and so on?
LT: Well, ignoring the actual development stuff (make, compiler, editor etc), it ends up being mostly just xterms and "alpine" (the newer version of the venerable old "pine" email reader. Strictly text-based, thank you very much).
Yeah, I used pico for years and then decided I liked the ability to shell things through vi/vim straight into pine. Still, pico and vi/vim are both good choices.
If I had time I could probably come up with reasons 9 through 20, but an anecdote from a couple of days ago, when I was using Alpine beta 0.999. /ME: sends off a reply to someone's last 4 emails using Alpine's Select-Apply-Reply command (3 keystrokes) /
ME to Eudora-using colleague: Say, with Eudora can you send a reply to an arbitrary number of emails? Like gather someone's last 4 emails and reply to them all with one message?
COLLEAGUE (thinking): No. No, that would be a really nice feature.
ME: Okay, you don't get to tease me about still using Pine any more.
> Why Alpine Message System (AMS)?
:)
Because Pine Message System sounded too whiney
Knock if off you two. I just finished a two week run with my community theater's production of "Julius Caeser" as Caeser's understudy, and I don't want to have to school you both with an Aldis Lamp!
There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
When and how exactly did modern web and OS development render text obsolete?
Wyrd - "Because you're tired of waiting for your bloated calendar program to start up." http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~pelzlpj/wyrd/ Enjoy!
Interestingly, all the "OMG GMAIL LOLZ PINE IS FOR LOOSERS" posts are all from people with UIDs greater than 850000. Coincidence?
The kids these days...
Quote: "I don't know if vi or vim has a mail client" I've heard emacs has a great mail client. All emacs lacks is a good editor... **G**
PINE was one of the most atrociously-written programs I have ever seen. It was built by people who absolutely failed to understand UNIX, at any level. It used to fail on big-endian systems that used 64-bit file offsets, because rather than using the STANDARD SYSTEM HEADERS, it manually misdefined every UNIX system call itself. Why? Because one of the programmers once saw a system, somewhere, where he claimed was wrong, so they made a consistent practice of, by default, including their own local definitions INSTEAD OF the standard system ones, except on a very few platforms that had to be specially identified.
The whole program is like that. It's full of cargo cult nonsense, attempts to reinvent other languages in C, and so on.
If you like the interface, the thing to do would be to start from scratch and write a program with that interface, but to do it competently, using programmers who have some basic understanding of C. If you start from the PINE base, you are doomed.
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Because:
- Pine is much, much simpler to get started with?
- Pine can do news?
- there is a bunch of people using Pine that are still very happy with it?
Do note that I *do* use Mutt (having spent countless hours reading its manual, and even making questions on mutt-users).
I use pine and I love it -- it's far faster than webmail or thunderbird. But the list you mention contain items which make me sometimes want to switch to another client.
Take attachments. I'm running pine over ssh, and almost all the time, I can't just view the attachment by clicking on it. I have to save it, then scp it over, then open it. A pain in the ass.
Then there is the lack of search functionality. This is a bit of a killer. Sure I can run some script to search the files, but it is not very convenient. And finally, I would like to be able to tag an email in multiple ways, rather than just save it into a particular file.
Perhaps there is a way to do these things, in which case, please let me know, but otherwise, I will always use pine with a bit of gmail-envy.
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So many people here seem to not be able to make the distinction between a mail provider and a mail client.
We're talking about a mail client -- you know a MUA -- not a mail service provider.
Thunderbird is my mail client of choice. Gmail is my main mail provider. Gmail's web interface is another mail client.
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Back in my day, all we got was a telnet client and a dns query tool
You had DNS? Luxury! Why back in my day, there was just one HOSTS file, and everybody shared it.
Oh, and Bitnet. We had Bitnet, too. Yes kids, way back when, there were competitors to the Internet.
Christ, I wish I were kidding. KA9Q represent, yo!
Pine = Program for Internet News and Email
Pine = Pine Is Not Elm
Alpine = Apache Licensed Pine
Just so you know...
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
I was hoping this article would bring out some pico users. We should start a club. I miss it every once in a while.
500 dollar reward for tip(s) leading to the arrest of the person(s) who stole my sig.
Well, I'm sure we can assume that anyone with a 6 digit UID calling those with 7 digits 'kids' is merely just precotious - you're not THAT much older, kiddo... ;-)
I'm perfectly happy with my 4 digit ID - though, yes, for a brief moment I *was* thinking about bidding on the 3digit one a few months back (auction for EFF); but then - there are less than 5k users that can claim a lower UID, so why bother...
Yes, I'm speaking of telnet.
If god wanted you to use a GUI, he wouldn't have invented ASCII!
Adapt, adopt, or get out of the way!
Definitely true about the minimum of fuzz. Mutt is by far the fuzziest MUA out there.
Show me a webmail client (or hell, even a desktop client) where I can drill down in my mail box searching for a specific message by applying successive filters (e.g. select from boss@myemployer.om, zoom, select with subject "training", zoom, select with date before "Jan-01-2005", zoom, select with date after "Dec-31-2004", zoom). Sure most clients allow you to build search queries like that all at once but I regularly find myself wanting to refine results after doing an initial search.
I've tried a number of different webmail systems - Outlook Web Access, Zimbra, Squirrelmail, Roundcube, Horde, Hastymail, Gmail. They've all struck me as cumbersome and slow, most are also fairly inflexible on top of that. I keep one enabled for casual access to my mail from public kiosks and the like but stick to a mix of (Al)Pine and Evolution otherwise.
Does that mean my setup is right for everyone? Not by a long shot. It just means that for my typical use patterns and requirements webmail is suboptimal.
Isn't cone just a poor man's PINE written by the Courier guys?
Why not just use alpine, now that it's Free Software/Open Source?
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He's pining for the fjords.
I understand what you mean about Gmail envy. I've been using PINE since 1999, before this Gee-mail fad started, but everyone around me uses a web browser for email and claims to love it.
PINE is best used when coupled with a good IMAP server. The best Free Software IMAP server seems to be Dovecot these days, and includes indexed (read: "FAST") full-text search in the 1.1 beta releases.
What I do is enable full-text indexing on my email with Dovecot, and then you can use PINE's regular ; (Select) operator to search on all text, and bam - you get results practically instantly.
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First of all, I've been a PINE user for the greater part of a decade, so it's the interface I'm more comfortable with.
Second of all, I prefer to manage my e-mail at my home computer, which is why my e-mail address ends in @dosius.ath.cx.
-uso.
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Bingo, that's why I use Pine too. I could give a flying rat's ass about html mail, I don't appreciate flashy graphics unless someone tells me I need to see it. For that, I fire up OS X's mail. Funny, I cannot stand most of the other command line unix crap. I usually prefer gui so I don't have to remember useless cruft, but not for mail.
Gerry
I use PINE on my Blackberry via SSH. I have my own MTA, and on it I run Postfix, courier-imap, RoundCube, and PINE. This gives me great flexibility for checking my email. I can check it on my phone using PINE (I hate the BIS crap, and I don't really trust someone else with my email password). I can check it on a public terminal using RoundCube. And I check it at home using Thunderbird or PINE. procmail deals with all of my rules in one place. All of my mail is in Maildir format, and I use the system "dump" command for backups. I make full use of /etc/mail/aliases for one-off email addresses. As you can tell, I am totally spoiled when it comes to email.
PINE gets a bad rap for, as far as I can tell, not being as hard to set up as mutt. If you like mutt, good for you. I can get a PINE install up and running in under 5 minutes. I don't have to mess around with fetchmail, or some guy's perl script. It all just works. I've been a PINE user for 11 years, so those commands are second-nature. mutt just doesn't cut the mustard for me.
Because Pine was and is a kick-ass mail client. I used it for several years when I had a shell account, and it was my main mailer. Lean and mean, it had awesome filtering and didn't clutter up with all the graphical and HTML crap.
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Yes, this is something I've wanted to do; I tend to get the same kinds of spam on a given POP3 account I have and the username is not related to my real name, so any email that tries to go "Hello XXX, you've got a great stock tip!" or "for XXX" I know immediately that it's bogus.
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Does this new alpine app have Maildir support?
Or better yet, set up Alpine to access your Gmail ;) (through IMAP+TLS)
Being intrigued by the notion of a decent text-style mail client (and well-accustomed to a text-based BBS-messaging client), I just d/l'd Alpine, and quickly discovered that it will not run on this Win98 box. Didn't see anything about expecting some specific version of Windows...?? It doesn't load, just does an instant abend, in Windows or a DOS box. Where did I go wrong??
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You had DNS ? What a luxery, we just had a large host-file.
New things are always on the horizon
Emacs does! How many unique, completely unusable together mail clients would you like to run today from Emacs?
'useful automated stuff with procmail' is a bit of an understatement:) Procmail can do pure, unadulterated email magic.
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You had large files?
In my day, files were 2GB or less!
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
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And once again we run into Slashdot's charming lameness filter, forcing me to pad out the post with fluff to get it to pass.
(This post was written in Microsoft Visual Studio 2008)
Here's another one -
When you have 5000+ spam messages in an account, and pop, imap, or a webmail client will take too long to download/process that many messages.
Log in with pine and just hold the D down till they're gone. (ok so you have to log out to finally delete them but hey...)
If you have a web browser, you can get an ssh client, putty, very quickly. And you can't always run your own webmail server, because your ISP may not allow incoming HTTP traffic. Yeah, you could probably run it on a different port, but then you may have issues of firewalls. Most places allow ssh, it is secure, and webmail is still webmail.
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Procmail + Fetchmail = Bliss
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*sharp intake of breath* Why when I was young, we had to wait until the tide was out and write in the sand with a pointed stick.
Stick Men
(ok so you have to log out to finally delete them but hey...)
what about Ctrl-X to delete everything?
*points to my Bram Moolenaar shrine, glares*
Puff of smoke.
Puff of smoke.
Streamer of smoke.
Puff of smoke.
Streamer of smoke.
I used to like to use ream a while ago...
now I use gmail mostly..
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You can add user-definable keywords on IMAP servers with pine/alpine. That sounds like it might fit your definition of "tag an email in multiple ways".
Also, there was talk about how to view attachments locally when running pine over ssh just the other day on the pine or alpine mailing list. It sounded like someone had a reasonable workaround for this. (But why not just run it locally?)
BTW, one thing people haven't mentioned so far is that alpine supports the keychain on Mac OS X (at my suggestion), so it can safely store your passwords for you.
You don't have to log out to finally delete them. Just hit 'x' to expunge them.
;a
;n
If you're actually trying to delete MANY items at once, and you're not actually viewing all of them, simply:
1) enable this in Setup/Config:
[X] Enable Aggregate Command Set
and then
I)
to select all and
II) ad
to 'apply' the delete command to the selected items
or
I)
to select by number
II) 1-200
to select 1-200 for example and
III) ad
to 'apply' the delete command to the selected items
I don't know anything about Windows, but since they refer to DOS in the instructions, it seems like it should work. I suggest asking on comp.mail.pine or the mailing lit.
You can also just set it "visually" in setup/configure.
*gasping for breath*
When I started in the business, messages were delivered by a courier who ran the whole distance and repeated the original message without error. Honor was accorded to those who died delivering their messages
You kids have no sense of history.
Every mans' island needs an ocean; choose your ocean carefully.
Doing a statistical analysis on a large mail archive is pretty easy, sitting there doing a similar analysis by watching the data on the wire is much harder.
Not really, you just set up a box to watch the wire and add everything it sees to a large mail archive.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
If you need help with alpine, your best bet is to sign up for the alpine-alpha email list at http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-alpha and ask your question there. The developers already have some ideas on what might be wrong in Windows 98, and how to fix it, but do keep in mind that Windows 98 is a rather old system these days.
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This is a problem that we'd like to figure out. Could you contact us at alpine-contact@u.washington.edu? We think we know what the problem is and would like for you to try what we believe is the fix.
Oddly enough, the PICO.EXE that came with it does the same thing. I wonder if it's choking on the 1GB RAM in this machine, that not being what you'd normally expect with Win98. (Which has no problem with it, itself; this is a 4-RAM-slot mobo, which doesn't gag Win9x the way 3 RAM slots will.)
WinRAR didn't think the archive was bogus, so I don't think that was the problem.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Will do. Be warned -- I am the beta tester who can break anything. :)
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
The original post was about not being able to view binary attachments. If you're forwarding X11, then that's not an issue.
Beetle B.
You would think there would be an option to cache a site but it's safe to assume no.
However, IIRC g-mail offers pop3 and/or imap. You can use another client, such as al/pine, outlook/express, or whatever.
I've seen references to g-mail clients but you can google this subject on your own.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
Unless you use this:
http://www.ece.osu.edu/ssh/
I didn't know that about Linus Torvalds. I feel the same as you and he do. Minimum of fuss. Funny. I was introduced to email with Pine at my Unversity in 1994. They were running Sparc workstations at the time. I've liked Pine ever since and for years this was my only email experience.
Kinda like my '71 Chevelle. It's outdated but it still kicks everybody's ass on the road. Pine is awesome too. So is outdated Unix. In fact, the word "awesome" is outdated, but you know what? It still works.
I loosed them.
Fly free, little apostrophes! You're free! You're free!
...but...
oh God there has to be some reason I spent a week configuring mutt.
Not really, you just set up a box to watch the wire and add everything it sees to a large mail archive.
Which means you have to actually set up a box on the route that all the mail is taking (i.e. very close to the mail server) and sit there collecting mail for years. If I were storing my mail on a 3rd party server you would just need to access that server once and you'd get several years worth of archived mail.
http://blog.nexusuk.org
In the time of I 'spoke' about, there we're no filesystems as large as a GB, let a lone store a 2GB file.
New things are always on the horizon