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Copyright Lobbies Threaten Federal College Funding

plasmacutter writes "The EFF is raising the alarm regarding provisions injected into a bill to renew federal funding for universities. These new provisions call for institutions of higher learning to filter their internet connections and twist student's arms over 'approved' digital media distribution services. 'Under said provision: Each eligible institution participating in any program under this title shall to the extent practicable — (2) develop a plan for offering alternatives to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property as well as a plan to explore technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity. Similar provisions in last year's bill did not survive committee, it appears however that this bill is headed toward the full house for vote.' Responding to recriminations over this threat to university funding, an MPAA representative claims federal funds should be at risk when copyright infringement happens on campus networks." We've previously discussed this topic, as well as similar issues.

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  1. {sigh} by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really ... it's enough to make you want to throw up.

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    1. Re:{sigh} by PachmanP · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No it's enough to make you wish you had enough money to buy your own politicians, so you could write the laws you wanted.

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    2. Re:{sigh} by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These guys seem to think they are the government ... or at least, in their own minds, they feel they should be.

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    3. Re:{sigh} by gotzero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think this is fantastic, but only because of the massive backlash that is going to come back from universities! They have been targeting specific ones, and in many cases getting beaten back by law schools, general counsels, etc. I am going to sit back and watch with glee as the heavy hitters from academia decide the RIAA finally overstepped too much. I do feel that I have to say that I am sure many of the people on the campus networks are doing things they should not be, but this has NOTHING to do with education money.

    4. Re:{sigh} by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The sort of people who oppose this sort of payola are powerless to stop it, as that would require them to bribe some politicians themselves. A sort of insidious catch-22.

      We could vote 'em out of office, but that didn't work too well either last year. The new ones quickly became just as evil and corrupt as the old ones.

      Sigh.

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    5. Re:{sigh} by jayp00001 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We could vote 'em out of office, but that didn't work too well either last year. The new ones quickly became just as evil and corrupt as the old ones.

      Sigh.


      That's because we didn't vote the corrupt ones out of office, we voted already corrupt ones in to office. What should have happened is that we should have talked to our party chairperson (on whatever party that we wanted someone out of) and explained that they had 2 choices- make that guy not run for re-election and we'd stick with that party or let that guy run and we'd switch. Party chairs have far more influence than any lobby rep. Believe me these guys will listen when their phones start ringing.
    6. Re:{sigh} by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      According to the DMCA's anti-circumvention clause, they are. Through the elimination of independent engineering of standard compliant hardware/software, they have legislative control over the entire consumer electronic sector through their licenses. Because they made it illegal to implement a playback device through other means, they can put any outrageous demand on their license agreements they wish, and CE firms have to eat it whole and raw, to the detriment of the customers.

    7. Re:{sigh} by novakyu · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No it's enough to make you wish you had enough money to buy your own politicians, so you could write the laws you wanted. But we do! Where do you think these MPAA and RIAA guys get their money? Us!

      It doesn't matter what kind of laws they write—if we stop buying their stuff, they will eventually go out of business, fascist laws and draconian enforcements notwithstanding.

      Ever since I found out more about the copyright industry vs. the public struggle, I made sure I spent absolutely nothing on what's produced by MPAA and RIAA members—no music sold through a major record label, and no movies (I used to go to theater once every month or so—not anymore). Of course, one man not handing money over to MPAA and RIAA may not make a difference, but if you and I stop making them a profit and tell everyone we know not to, one day we just might.
    8. Re:{sigh} by MrCopilot · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No it's enough to make you wish you had enough money to buy your own politicians, so you could write the laws you wanted.

      Umm, we don't have to buy them, we already pay for them. We just have to act like it. Money does not keep them in office we do.

      A group of voters from their district in any significant number scares the sh!t out of most Congressmen. Especially when they have petitions, signs and a few soccer moms.

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    9. Re:{sigh} by webmaster404 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its not really that but no congressman (here in the USA) runs a campaign in technology. Very few will openly state their feelings on the DMCA, Software Patents and fair use. While they are always telling voters of their views of the war, taxes, greenhouse gasses, abortion, the second amendment, finding out where they stand on any technology issues is nearly impossible. How I wish we had a pirate party.... or at least RMS as a senator (now that would be a sight....)

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    10. Re:{sigh} by unlametheweak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's enough to make one believe that there should be a separation between Politics and Education (an unrealistic ideal admittedly). It's like equating federal highway funding to a state's right to impose a minimum drinking age; they are attempting to impose influence where they have no legal authority otherwise. But then again, if one has a criminal conviction for smoking marijuana, then that person will be denied a student loan (Hypocrisy speaks). Politics and education just don't mix.

      One would think that debt-ridden students should be the last target on an RIAA hit-list.

    11. Re:{sigh} by eggnoglatte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have been consistently arguing in favor of copyright on slashdot and elsewhere. But this is not about enforcing existing laws, it is about tying college educational funding to policing of the students by their colleges. That is something the colleges have neither the mandate nor the expertise to do. Also, depriving an already underfunded public education system even more just because some students violate copyright laws strikes me as a really dumb idea.

    12. Re:{sigh} by dryeo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, everyone stops buying their stuff and they'll just use it to prove that piracy is that bad and they should get paid by the government. Pretty soon everything you buy that is even remotely connected with content will have a levy that goes straight to the *AAs. And they will get very creative about what is connected to content. I don't want to have a levy on my eyeglasses or my bathroom mirror.

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    13. Re:{sigh} by Wildclaw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The biggest parties (usually two) in any goverment are mostly equally corrupt. Losing votes to their opposite big party doesn't scare them that much. They are simply two sides of the same coin. If they lose in one election, they will simply adjust their stances a little to gain back the voters they lost. It is just ordinary politics.

      The real solution is to vote for third parties.. What really scares mainstream politicians is losing votes to someone who isn't well known, because that means that people are beginning to notice that the mainstream parties are two sides of the same coin and rejecting that coin.

      Of course, before every election you will hear how you should vote for one of the big candidates, because other votes don't matter. In actuality it is the opposite. Votes for big candidates don't matter since they are all votes for the same coin. They simply reinforce the opinions that the current politicians in power have.

      There are of course times when voting for the lesser of two evils has its purpose, but it is far less often than most people would think. To avoid this completly it would of course be better to have a system where you could rank your candidates, but try getting that into the law.

    14. Re:{sigh} by novakyu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, everyone stops buying their stuff and they'll just use it to prove that piracy is that bad and they should get paid by the government. While that is true to some extent (such as the media tax on blank CDs in Canada), at some point, they are going to run into a wall—another business cartel/union as large and powerful as themselves. Right now, they are fighting against individual (suspected) copyright violators and occasional universities that refuse to bend over to their demand. When they tick off a larger industry, such as ISPs, with some unreasonable demand of profit-sharing, they will have a real fight then, and, eventually, after a series of compromises, we will have something reasonable like what terrestrial radio has to do to play music (for more detail, check Lessig's Free Culture).

      Even if this does not happen, eventually, the public will get sick and tired of their gradually unreasonable demands, and we can hope that something like what happened with DRM in music will happen in the entire content industry.

      Perhaps all this is just a pipe dream, but even so, it still feels good not to support an immoral cartel myself.
    15. Re:{sigh} by ajcham · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Until enough people vote for a 3rd party that it becomes viable, votes cast for a 3rd party don't matter. They would if you convert enough people, but until you do, you and a few other idealistic people are in fact throwing their votes away

      On the contrary, voting for one of the 'big-guns' rather than the candidate you actually support would be throwing your vote away. Backing your guy, even knowing they will not win, is using your vote exactly as you are supposed to.

    16. Re:{sigh} by berzerke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...in most states which are heavily Democratic or Republican you're throwing your vote away no matter what you do...

      It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.- E. Debs

      As I live in Texas, for both Senatorial and Presidential elections at least, the way I figure it, voting third party is the only way my vote will count at all. For those that don't know, Texas is a republican state. At the senate and presidential level, the republican candidate will win no matter what. The presidential republican nominee could take a whiz on the Alamo (a major insult to Texas!) with cameras rolling and still win the state.

      The republicans know this and the democrats know this. So neither party really cares about the state other than for fund raising. The republicans can take Texas for granted and the democrats know money and time spent here is wasted. Therefore voting for either party doesn't matter. That leaves third party and independent candidates.

      Let third party and independent candidates start getting enough votes, and they qualify for federal campaign funds. Now their message and presence will reach more people. In the meantime, it just might rattle the 2 parties enough to throw the people a few scraps to try and win back the voters who have left them.

      For those in states whether either party has a lock, voting third party is the only way to make a difference. For those in toss-up states, you have to weigh you choices more carefully.

      ...Until enough people vote for a 3rd party that it becomes viable, votes cast for a 3rd party don't matter.

      It has to start somewhere. I'm reminded of a story. A woman was walking along a beach after a big storm. The sun was coming out and the beach was covered with starfish that had washed ashore in the storm, dying because they could not get back in the water. She picked one up and tossed it back into the ocean. A man watching her yelled out, "That won't make any difference!" to which the woman replied, "It made a difference to that starfish."

    17. Re:{sigh} by eiapoce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As Long as americans are still voting for people involved with MAAFIA I'd say you've got no hope.

      Information is priceless: http://opensecrets.org/ - http://moneyline.cq.com/pml/home.do

    18. Re:{sigh} by hey! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The real solution is to vote for third parties..


      Mathematically this is provable to be incorrect. The rational choice is to vote for the lesser of two evils, provide that the evils are at least somewhat distinguishable. As long as one or the other of the "evils" prevails, neither has much motivation to change the status quo, so voting for a non-viable third party actually reinforces the marginally greater of the evils, both in its evil tendencies, and in keeping the status quo intact.

      Basically, the situation drives the parties to create an arbitrary dividing line, then huddle up against each other on either side of the line. There is incentive to make sure the territory on your side of the line is unambiguously claimed as yours, but there is also disincentive to stray far from that line (unless everybody else seems to be doing it, which means the line is moving).

      The "real solution" is to choose a system of government and voting in which parties have influence that roughly reflects their support among the voters. No system is perfect, but many would be better than what we have. This is actually a prerequisite to making dramatic improvements in the governance of of the country. But marginal differences do often matter. Marginal differences got us into Iraq; the problem is that they aren't enough to get us out.
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  2. These 4-Letter Trade Groups... by blcamp · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...continue to do things that merit 4-letter words directed at them.

    They need to learn another 4-letter term: RICO.

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    1. Re:These 4-Letter Trade Groups... by Dance_Dance_Karnov · · Score: 2, Informative

      Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations.

  3. Industry associations declare war on youth - again by Senes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just another act of the **AAs wanting to bludgeon people over the head for their own profits, and whether we give them what they want or not their response will just be to want more bludgeoning. They're going to push for a copyright term extension and tougher penalties every year, there is no right amount they are shooting for but just to keep increasing them at any cost.

  4. "Develop a plan" by Dada+Vinci · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To keep the "throw up" metaphor going, all that a university has to do to comply is to throw some ideas up in the air and call it a "plan." The key language is that a university needs to DEVELOP a plan. There's nothing saying they have to IMPLEMENT that plan. A lot of schools have started offering subsidized Yahoo!Music and Rhapsody subscriptions as a way to give their students music without having to file-share to get it. Everybody get something out of the deal--the university pays lower upstream bandwidth costs and the students get legal access to bazillions of songs. Maybe actually paying for Yahoo! isn't great for the university's budget, but nothing says they have to actually DO anything--they just have to PLAN to.

    1. Re:"Develop a plan" by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Rather than weasel around the requirements, I'd like to see colleges take them head on. Just whip up a one line plan that says "We're not going to do anything to comply with these laws because they are impossible." Maybe a few will have the guts to go that route should this actually be passed.

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    2. Re:"Develop a plan" by Comatose51 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IANAL but trying to weasel your way out of a law usually doesn't work in the court system. American laws follow the tradition of "spirit of the law" rather than "letter of the law". This is why we have judges and why jurists argue over the intent and motivation behind a law. For example, the first amendment's guarantee on freedom of speech and press would not extend to digital formats if not for this tradition since digital formats can include neither speech nor printing presses.

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  5. It's a priority call by dpilot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apparently it's simply more important to protect ??AA profits than it is to have an open and freethinking educational system. Signs of this are all over the place, from both parties. Evolution, anyone? Anyone wonder how soon teaching that the universe is older than 6000 years will be challenged, or Galileo will rejoin the ranks of heretics?

    We're on the road!

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    1. Re:It's a priority call by Technician · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apparently it's simply more important to protect ??AA profits than it is to have an open and freethinking educational system. Signs of this are all over the place, from both parties. Evolution, anyone? Anyone wonder how soon teaching that the universe is older than 6000 years will be challenged, or Galileo will rejoin the ranks of heretics?


      Who cares? The next generation won't need a college education unless they want to move to a technology leader country such as Japan or China. The US will simply move down the ladder to 3rd world status. When the out of work Americans can't afford iPods and high speed internet anymore, the problem will go away.
      (end rant)
      It is important to have universities teach. This attack on education (it isn't support in any way) is outside the scope of what a university is all about. I hope this doesn't get traction and stuff that helps higher learning instead of attacking it gets traction.

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  6. Old News by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Informative

    The story links to an article that was posted on November 19, 2007! From what it says, the bill's already been debated. Isn't this just a tad out of date?

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  7. Segment of the article by cbart387 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here is the segment in question. It doesn't look as dire as what the summary makes it out to be ... at least to me

    SEC. 494. CAMPUS-BASED DIGITAL THEFT PREVENTION.
                (a) In General- Each eligible institution participating in any program under this title shall to the extent practicable--

                            (1) make publicly available to their students and employees, the policies and procedures related to the illegal downloading and distribution of copyrighted materials required to be disclosed under section 485(a)(1)(P); and

                            (2) develop a plan for offering alternatives to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property as well as a plan to explore technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity.
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    1. Re:Segment of the article by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      SEC. 494. CAMPUS-BASED DIGITAL THEFT PREVENTION.
      (a) In General- Each eligible institution participating in any program under this title shall to the extent practicable--

      1) make publicly available to their students and employees, the policies and procedures related to the illegal downloading and distribution of copyrighted materials required to be disclosed under section 485(a)(1)(P); and

      (2) develop a plan for offering alternatives to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property as well as a plan to explore technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity.


      Ok, what do you mean it doesn't look dire?

      Number 1 is already borderline in my books, number 2 is right over the top.

      Number 2 says the university must both actively promote some sort of legal alternative, while simultaneously seek technology to filter illegal activity. In order to qualify for federal funding.

      Don't let the 'develop a plan' phrasing lull you. They want a strategy, with a timeframe, and deadline for implementation. You aren't getting off the hook with: "My plan for curbing torrents: 'put a port block on XXX'. To be implemented by the year 2058. The end."

      There is no simply justification for federal funding to hinge on pandering to an industry lobby group. Not ever.

      What's next? MADD gets to ram through some legislation where the university will have to develop a plan to prevent drinking and driving, including instituting technological measures to prevent it [just imagine what that would look like!], if they want federal funding.

      And then the religious right wingnuts get theirs... the university has to develop a plan to ensure illegal sexual behaviour* is technologically prevented...

      (*in some states anal and oral sex are illegal, but hey this could be expanded to cover anything remotely indecent or other riske mischief that students are particularly famous for...)

      Bottom line, the university is not responsible for policing students. The police are. This is pure and utter bullshit. I sure hope there is some way of challenging the legality of this law itself.

    2. Re:Segment of the article by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the illegal downloading and distribution of copyrighted materials

      to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property 1. which is it, copyrighted materials or intellectual property? Are they trying to suggest the two are synonymous?
      2. what illegal downloading are they talking about? Can they state which laws exactly make downloading illegal? Cause if they're talking about the No Electronic Theft act, sorry, that's not relevant to downloading.
      3. haha, your stupid country has laws that deal with civil matters with criminal laws.. how fucked are you?

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    3. Re:Segment of the article by Timinithis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The solution to meet this bill is really simple:

      1) Provide the students, faculty, etc, the boilerplate in the student handbook -- link from the front page of the school site to the same.

      2) Limit all on campus networks to Comcast cable. The FCC already knows they filter traffic, and it is "technology-based" so that should meet the requirements of #2

      Requirements met.

      Now, once the FCC slams Comcast for violating net neutrality, well, back to square one.

      Question: What would it take for universities to gain protection under net neutrality?

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  8. Nope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The main story from the EFF blog is dated jan 14th '08

  9. We are all criminals in their eyes! by Doug52392 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've noticed this a lot lately, any government agency, lobbyist group, or any group that is supposed to be fighting crime views every single person in the world as criminals.

    In the eyes of the federal government, we are all terrorists, so our Constitutional rights should be taken away.

    In the eyes of Comcast and Verizon, we all use our Internet connections that we pay for to do illegal stuff, so we should have our Internet connections regulated, censored, and spied on.

    In the eyes of the MPAA and RIAA, we are all illegal software pirates that deserve to be sued for millions of dollars.

    And in the eyes of collages and universities across the United States, we are all criminals who are plotting school shootings and bombings, and deserve to have the FBI raid our dorms, be arrested, and be kicked out of collage.

    See the picture here? Everyone thinks that if they label every single person on Earth as a criminal, it will make all our problems go away. But they are wrong. They are all wrong.

    The federal government thinks they are keeping us safe by treating every single American as a terrorist plotting to blow up the country, but what about the people who actually are plotting something like that? They would never catch them because they would be too bush prosecuting innocent people to notice!

    With airports locked down tightly thesse days, travelers are annoyed by all the security checks and security stuff to make sure people don't have weapons. But the people who actually want to do harm could probably easily smuggle that kind of stuff by them.

    And for all the piracy bullshit, they think that shoving the DMCA and RIAA lawyers in everyone's faces will stop the 1% of people who ACTUALLY steal software, movies, and music, while the other 99% of us suffer. But it WON'T! Hell, I'm getting very tempted to start illegally putting brand new movies on BitTorrent just to stick it to the RIAA, MPAA, etc. If we're all criminals in these people's eyes, what would it matter? Personally I don't agree with downloading movies and music (with music sucking with that rap crap, what is there to download?), but I don't think it should be a federal crime punishable with million dollar fines and stuff.

    When will they learn, the government and RIAA can't solve all their problems like this!

  10. The Amish Method. by Deathlizard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Frankly there's only two ways you can stop piracy from happening on college grounds.

    1) Buy everyone in the school music accounts to download music thus rasing the tutition, Which enrages students and punishes students who prefer going to buy their music at music stores, and will ultimetly result in retention levels dropping in an already competitive market as it is.

    Or

    2) The Amish Method. Cut the internet cable since there's nothing on the market that can assure 100% piracy free internet, ban all computers since they can make MP3's using a line in jack and a CD player, and ultimely ban electric power from everywhere on campus, since they could possibly use electricy to copy a tape with a boombox or operate an electric guitar.

    At least the english, math and history professors would be happy with #2, since calculators would be banned and people would have to be forced to write their thesis's on parchment. Of course, Victrolas would have to be banned too, but it's hard finding a wind up one these days. Maybe they'll come back in vogue.

  11. Re:Industry associations declare war on youth - ag by Lunarsight · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is yet another reason to boycott the RIAA. I heard that music industry album sales took a real dive last year. Let's assist them going down even further for 2008.

    As far as the MPAA goes, perhaps they also need to be reminded what happens when they bite the hand that feeds them. (Of course, if the writer's strike lasts long enough, it will leave them very economically vulnerable. What better time to boycott the bastards?)

  12. I agree with this... by sean22190 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Messing with college kids always goes over well.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_Vietnam_War

    1. Re:I agree with this... by mouko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Being a college kid, I can safely say that most of my peers will have no idea about this bill until after it has been passed and the DRM tools are in place.

  13. Re:It's Free Money!!! w00t! by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    when the feudal system returns

    You don't get it, do you? When funding for education comes from the feds, the schools are vassals to the feds. The feudal system is already here, only now it's called socialism.

    Want better schools? Then keep your money away from the feds, and spend it on schools that meet your standards, not the Ruling Party's standards.

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  14. The Universities Answer; by paiute · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone employed by the RIAA has his or her degree(s) annulled. Let's see how many lawsuits are accepted by the courts from a bunch of laypersons with only high school diplomas.

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    1. Re:The Universities Answer; by proselyte_heretic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not quite authoritarian enough. The universities license and copyright their degrees, and in order to apply to a job, you have to ask the university to grant you authorization to copy your degree and send it to your prospective employer. Obviously if it is the RIAA, this permission is not granted.

  15. Since When Is This Our Problem? by Comatose51 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Using the Federal government's power to force universities into compliance with **AA demands is the equivalent of using our collective resources to help/save a company/industry's problems. If we extend the **AA's analogy and reasoning, we might as well go around the world attacking countries that compete with us commercially. GM losing market shares to Toyota? Bomb Japan! Oracle losing to SAP? Bomb Germany! Windows losing to Linux and OSS? Assassinate Linus and arrest Stallman!

    Copyright violations is a problem that affects a group of companies and an industry. Why should we be forced to collectively pay for their outdated business model/practices? How does this benefit the rest of us? If you don't think we'll end up paying for this, imagine what happens when universities don't get their Federal funding and our students don't get their education. Higher education is an absolute necessity for a productive country.

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    1. Re:Since When Is This Our Problem? by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One reason, is that leads to privacy invasion since you have to monitor all communication of private citizens to make sure that they aren't sending copyright information.
      That's not true. We don't need total surveillance to monitor You can selectively monitor piracy hotspots, like P2P networks, or illegal websites (think a US version of allofmp3.com, or something akin to that). If people want privacy, it would encourage them to find a network that successfully discourages piracy, or just to stop using the P2P networks altogether if they are inevitably abused. I'm sorry, but the right for all of us to have our culture trumps the potential for slight privacy invasion of select individuals on select networks. If that's still too much though, you can always make copyright infringement a criminal issue, hand all enforcement over to the government, and make them get a warrant before monitoring suspected pirates.

      There are also economical issues regarding inefficencym as copyright is a limitation on the free market of distribution.
      Yes, that's the point of copyright, but that doesn't make it a problem.

      There are other issues also, such as new business models that copyright laws prevent.
      Like what? Any artist may release their works directly into the the public domain, as if copyright never existed. Copyright provides all the same options, but more, which enables all the same distribution methods, but more.

      Rick Falkvinge, the leader of the pirate party did a presentation at google about some of what I said above, that was filmed.
      Ah yes, a man of extremes and absolutes. He can't quite seem to distinguish between the entertainment industry and copyright, nor can he distinguish between the appropriate monitoring of illegal activity and total surveillance. He's the kind of guy who deserves to live in a society of total surveillance just so he can get some perspective about what he's protesting about. He's the kind of guy who thinks corporate copyright holders care more about killing freedom than they do about increasing profit margins (they're corporations, not villains out of a B-grade novel). He's the kind of guy who likes to dictate to the rest of the world to do what he wants, and gloss over the consequences of doing so. As you can probably see, I have little respect for the guy.
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  16. Proper Outlets by kemushi88 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every time something like this happens, I send $20 to the EFF. If you are equally outraged, I would encourage you to do the same.

  17. no illegal activity by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why limit this to filesharing? The only reason that this causes a problem is because it discriminates against other equally vicious crimes. Let's just put a general clause in the student loan and other funding bills that requires colleges to remove funding if colleges do not go to all measures to prevent the illegal activities of the students.

    For instance, no one under 21 is supposed to drink. Most students at colleges are under 21, so clearly colleges should do more to make sure that alcohol is not available to the majority of the students.

    I would also certainly think the software distributors would want the same protections, and representatives like the BSA has a zero tolerance policy. If one piece of pirated software is found on one computer on the campus, revoke all the funding.

    i also know from pretty good sources that our college campuses are swarming with stolen calculators. Underage kids steal them, and then sell to college kids for half price. It is hard to prosecute the college kids for receiving stolen property, btu easy enough to revoke funding if the school does not put into place a program to teach the kids that stealing is wrong. Because, obviously, the problem is not that the temptation of cheap calcultors, but that they students were never taught right from wrong.

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    1. Re:no illegal activity by lachlan76 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idea that a government should be able to deny access to social services to any citizen/permanent resident is ridiculous. Education is something that should be encouraged, and not denied to anyone.


      I am from Australia---we've had a system of government-funded university tuition for many years, though, in the last 20 years or so, students have been required to pay a contribution (loaned by the government, and repaid through the tax system). An engineering degree currently costs the student AU$7118/year, for instance. This is available to all citizens, permanent residents, and New Zealand citizens, among others (though non-citizens must pay their contribution up-front). Disqualifying any citizen (see Wikipedia for more information) would be a rather unpopular move.


      What does one have to do to be disqualified from receiving funding in the US? I have heard that a criminal record was sufficient, but I have trouble believing that.

  18. Re:It's easy to be against - solution? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    First of all... paragraphs, dude. o.O

    Second of all, no one is necessarily opposed to cracking down on piracy, we're opposed to the bullshit "you must offer an alternative" clause. Why don't we have all businesses making doing business with them mandatory while we're at it?

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  19. University Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What they (MPAA & RIAA) want is money from tax payers. The university must subscribe to a solution for all students whether said student uses it or not. Plus filter and turn over to them the traffic records for all student based connections. They don't care about the 98% who they will hurt if funding gets cut.

    write or call you representative and tell them what a crock this is.

  20. Not a bad idea?" by zotz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "(2) develop a plan for offering alternatives to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property as well as a plan to explore technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity."

    Here is the beginnings of one such plan...

    2.a. When it comes to music, music that does not have a Free License is not allowed on the campus networks. Net even legally purchased music if it doesn't have a Free License.

    2.b. The University has set up a server at freemusic.university.edu where we host music with licenses as described in 2.a.

    all the best,

    drew

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    1. Re:Not a bad idea?" by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here is the beginnings of one such plan...

      2.a A single, purchased copy (at educational discount prices) of all copyrighted works (music and movies) shall be placed in the university library. Additional federal funding will be required to purchase these works, however such funds could be covered by an additional tax on the record labels.

      2.b Students will have 24hr online streaming access to the university library, so long as they play/view one work at a time.

            After all, turnabout is fair play.

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  21. Special Place by Twitchie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, that makes me about sick. "Let's sacrifice the education of our youth and the future of the nation by cutting funding to ensure Hollywood makes an extra few dollars." I guess when universities have to reduce programs and students begin getting denies admission, we will be able to more easily secure the "dumbest nation on earth" status. But hey, at least the movie and music industries will get their money. How bright do you have to be to sit in a meeting and say "We can't find anyone smart enough to invent a technology to control this. Well, let's go ahead and stifle education. Maybe increasing the ignorance in a population will create a genius to write the software we need." The more people that complete college = more people with good jobs = less people that feel the need to use p2p for music and movies. Apparently these lawyers are from the future where the education system was butchered. They're obviously products of such a system. Wonder which country we stole the time-travel tech from because we sure as hell didn't invent it. There's going to be a special place for folks someday.

  22. Re:It's easy to be against - solution? by celle · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "but giving everyone the ability to just log on to a p2p program and download whatever they want instead of buying it will lead to a bankrupt industry for music and movies."

    Wow, freedom of choice, that's new. And they're already bankrupt. Wouldn't it be great if it were in dollars too? Then we'd be rid of these distractions that waste our physical and financial lives.

    "I don't know about you but most of my favorite movies weren't made in someones garage with a new mac. It's nice when people do that... but no I don't want to see professional art disappear in favor of someones amateur attempts."

    Everyone was an amateur once. Amateurs existed before there was an industry and they will after it is gone. Professional art, the tastes of the arrogant running roughshod over the tastes of everyone else.

  23. At some point, we're going to have to shoot them.. by tjstork · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I mean, the whole country is locked in the hands of an investment class that frowns upon any enterprise that even smacks of productivity. They would rather rake the poor over the coals with high interest just because it has a higher return. They seek to restrict and restrain any trade that offers meaningful competition. They seek to make the people believe that their subjugation is moral, and they seek to use cultural preferences to divide the nation and hide any real agenda.

    Show me the candidate that wants to ban credit cards, reduce the terms of patents, or do any structural thing designed to break up the current moneyed class. There isn't one. There's no political party seeking to benefit the American people, merely, a set of dueling soulless juggernaughts, jousting, half drunk with power, over whose lords will crush the masses the most.

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  24. I'm sorry, but this is an all-time grammatical low by siglercm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm afraid (of losing karma because) I'm the one to point out that the emperor has no clothes. Quotes from this article as posted at this moment:

    "These new provision"
    "institutions of higher learn"
    "We've previous discussed"

    (At least) Three gross errors in one posted article. And to think that this is about federal funding for public colleges and universities. I humbly submit we need more.

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  25. There's no such things as free money. by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't mind my asking.. how much do you currently pay to send your children (assuming you have them) to school?

    Seriously, I'm interested.. a ballpark figure is fine, i don't expect you to divulge your yearly earnings for everyone to see.. I mean, sure if you feel like boasting..

    Point is.. You and I (and most people on this site, i imagine) earn more than the average person. Hell, I earn more than the average American, and i do it in a foreign currency with a lower value. For you and I, picking a school for our kids is a matter of choice. But we're relatively big fish... what about all those people who can't afford private schooling? Don't their kids deserve to be (at least potentially) useful, educated and productive members of society? I mean, there's only one alternative to that, and it's being a constant drain on welfare... Frankly, i'd rather have a bunch of rich people complaining about paying taxes so that poor kids can get educated than a bunch of rich people complaining because they were repeatedly mobbed by beggars just outside their door.

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  26. How does this work? by webmaster404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if Downloading == Stealing like the RIAA wants you to believe, does the federal government cut off funds to schools with a high rate of crime? What if a group of students steal from a store does that warrant federal funds to be cut off? What about underage drinking and illegal drugs being used? I don't see how the RIAA convinces people that unauthorized downloading is a capital crime, if we don't do it for stealing or substance use, why do it for downloading. If only congress had a mind that could think for itself....

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  27. Re:Industry associations declare war on youth - ag by Vombatus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The simple solution is simply not to consume what they produce. If nobody buys / downloads / watches what they output, they will go away.

    Not true.

    If no one is buying their product, they will claim that it is due to the illegal copying of their product - proving that they need more stringent laws.

    Ad infinitum.

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  28. Higher Learn (come on, EDITors) by ill+stew+dottied+ewe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a student at an "institution of higher learn" (guess which one) I have experienced these attempts to control filesharing. There was a point where internet connections were being turned off due to high traffic, assuming 4GB over bittorrent was always "evil." I am a CS student, and I have several distros on my computer. I heard about this just in time to stop sharing them, as I can't afford to lose my connection to the internet or the internal Unix machines (our programs must run on them). They have backed off, and claim that only illegal filesharing will be punished, but I don't trust them, they have failed too many times. It is not the place of the internet provider, be they a university or a business, to filter and decide what bits are evil. They will, without fail, punish the innocent.

  29. Strange but true by buss_error · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Something that's pretty strange, and while I'm not licenced to practice law in any state of the Unided States, I don't see where it's illegal to OBTAIN unlicenced intellectual property, only to PROVIDE it. On the other hand, receiving stolen goods IS a crime.

    How I see it is that RIAA and MPAA are failing to provide their content in a way that is easy, free of silly encumbrances, and are guilty of product tying. In other words, their bleetings are a product of their outmoded and protectionist practices, not because they actually add any value.

    Put another way, if RIAA and MPAA are allowed to seek injunctions against receiving their products in a way they don't approve, I'd like to seek injunctions against every power company that provides electricity because it cuts into my profits in selling whale oil and whale oil lamps. Out moded business models should die because of market pressure, not thrive due to political contributions, rigged laws, or "The Disney Copyright Protection Act".

    That said, Intellictual property is property, and depriving those that own it of legitimate compensation is theft. There are many inequities in movies, even more in music. But one cannot legitimately usurp agreed contracts of the creators of that IP, no matter how unfair it is to the creators. They agreed to it, after all.

    I do not have any .ogg (a better MP3) songs that I do not own the CD. I've never downloaded anything that I did not purchase an origianal licenced copy of if it is covered under triditional copyright. That that create a work I apprecite deserve to be conpensated for their effort under the terms they make their work available.

    If you don't like the people or the circumstances the work is made available under, the simple solution is to avoid the work. Don't buy it. Don't download it. Don't view it, and don't support them in any way. This is why I've not see a Sony move, bought a Sony CD, or purchsed a PC with Sony chips that I could avoid. (Not always possible, but you can TRY.)

    For the same reason, I do not own Blue-Ray. I have HD-DVD. I may have to go to Blue-Ray as it displaces HD-DVD, but I'll only go there once HD-DVD is a thing of the past.

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  30. Re:At some point, we're going to have to shoot the by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 4, Insightful

    False dichotomy. Just because you don't support the corporatocracy doesn't mean you're a communist.

  31. Re:At some point, we're going to have to shoot the by smacNhawaii · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thank you for your post. In the real (as opposed to virtual) world, I sometimes feel very alone in my opinions.
    To think, education takes second place to fostering consumerism. And, really, you have to be stupid to buy their product. It makes an evil sort of sense.

  32. Re:At some point, we're going to have to shoot the by LS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll come visit you at the remedial reading comprehension class, idiot!

    Do you know anything about McCarthyism? He basically labeled anyone who opposed his beliefs a communist. If you read the parent's post carefully, you'd see that he actually speaks for productivity, trade, and competition - hardly communist ideals.

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  33. Re:Here is a nvel idea. Stop Stealing! by skeeto · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well bucko's, I hate to tell you this, you dont! The law makes it quite clear that you DO NOT have any right to do so and in point of fact doing so is a violation of said LAW and in knowingly violating said LAW you damn well deserve whatever happens to you either as a result of a criminal case or civil case brought against you.

    Just because something is against the law doesn't make it wrong. For example, in countries that have more unjust laws than the US, such as China, do the journalists who break the law when they make negative reports about the government "deserve whatever happens" to them?

    The purpose of copyright is not to make anyone money. It is to expand the public domain for the good of the public. Copyright law is meant to serve the public. The constitution says nothing about artists deserving to make any kind of money. It is all about benefitting the public. Current copyright law actually does the opposite of its original purpose: as copyright gets stretched, works never fall into public domain. It is an unjust law that should be broken. As long as politicians are paid off, this unjust law will only get worse. Because of this, I would even argue that it may even be our duty to break copyright law.

    Sharing our own culture is our right. This has been taken away from us.

    You can whine and snivel all you want, but the law is the law. You don't like the law? Then form a group, a coalition, raise money to hire the best K's streeters you can afford to lobby congress to get it changed, That is how the system works, use it.

    This group is called the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

  34. Re:At some point, we're going to have to shoot the by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think anyone's saying that. The fact is, there is a class of people that tends to take advantage over the poor. Trying to fix those problems does not make one a communist, so put away the McCarthyism.

    Despite what some people would have you believe, there's more to the world that just black and white partisan politics; there are middle grounds. You can have a mixed system to promote the general well being and the common good without becoming ruthless or authoritarian, which, coincidentally, is what can happen to capitalist societies if left alone. A good example is the political corruption of the late nineteenth century and early twentieth century. It wasn't the free market that fixed those problems, is was (the now called) socialist policies, and without those policies, life would generally suck.

    Communism doesn't work (at least, it hasn't in the past), but plutocracy ain't too hot either. Think of economic policies like salt. Salt is made up of an explosive metal and a poisonous gas, but without salt, you die. Pure communism and capitalism are very bad things; we need a mixture, and sometimes the mixture needs to be adjusted. If it wasn't for having a mixture, we'd both probably be working in sweatshops right now.

  35. Re:It's Free Money!!! w00t! by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't believe me? The Democrats created the DMCA. If Wikipedia is to believed on this, that's not quite true.

    Introduced in the House of Representatives as H.R. 2281 by Rep. Howard Coble (R-NC) on July 29, 1997 It was proposed by a Republican to a Republican-controlled Congress. Sure, all the Democrats voted for it, and Clinton signed it (not that he had much of a choice anyway), but we should try to be as accurate as possible.