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Microsoft Unveils Virtualization Strategy
billstewart writes "The Wall Street Journal reports that Microsoft will be announcing a virtualization strategy on Tuesday. Of course there's plenty of focus on the competition with VMware, including the obligatory reference to Microsoft's entry into the browser wars prior to cutting off Netscape's air supply. The pieces of the picture will include: an alliance with Citrix Systems, owners of XenSource; acquisition of privately held Calista Technologies of San Jose, which has software that speeds up the performance of applications running in a virtualized environment; and lower price for Windows Vista used on virtualized computers. Microsoft also reversed its earlier position and will now allow the Home Basic and Home Premium versions of Vista to run under virtualization. The company confirmed its plans to deliver its Hyper-V hypervisor within six months of the launch of Windows Server 2008 (betas available now), which is expected this quarter."
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0FE4E411-8C88-48C2-8903-3FD9CBB10D05 - wtf? and I thought I had trouble managing URLs at times. Those guys have gotta be sharp. :P
now with N times more vulnerability per physical machine!
...and real brine shrimp (sorry, I couldn't resist)!
Well, I think there's something to worry about here. Bearing in mind Virtualization is the Next Big Thing ® right now, and businesses being quick on the up-take (I know my employer is a big fan, and we have ~5k employees and several large in-house development departments), I think it's going to be a bonus for a company to take a Virtualization offering from their primary OS supplier. Especially when you've got it in live deployments.
Is there room in the market for MS? Or will they squeeze VMWare out? We'll soon find out...
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If I were a prospective client, I would think about the effective way IE killed the then king netscape, sure.
I would also think about the way IE turned into an awfully modularized insecure POS after winning.
Let's just hope Xen makers don't play the part of NCSA Mosaic.
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So Microsoft have a virtualization strategy, my strategy says avoid Microsoft tech at all costs.
Wonder whose strategy will prevail?
Xen will squeeze VMware out. Anyway ZFS and virtualization are the two hot items. Throw in adaptable networks and the pictures complete.
... the solution to Vista is to use it to run Ubuntu inside VMWare...?
I hope that even with the Hyper-V stuff that is based in Windows Server 2008, that MS keeps VirtualPC updated. For what it does, its excellent as a quick and dirty hypervisor, especially for stuff like Thinstall where you just need to open a VM briefly to do a check before installing, install a program, run the afterwards delta, then build the Thinstalled output. No special client or Web server needed (as opposed to the latest VMWare 2.0 beta which seemed to require a full Java, Apache and Tomcat install and available to the world to even turn on.)
The Hyper-V implementation in the RC1 build of Windows Server 2008 requires your CPU have specific hardware virtualization built in, so you can't really use it on anything less than midrange+ hardware. Maybe its a good thing, as MS is likely intending this for machines designed for being VM servers from the ground up.
Microsoft will do what they always do, bring out something that is good enough for 95% of people, 95% of the time. They'll leave the finer points to third parties. It'll be good enough for most places running Windows only networks.
There appear to be several virtualisation platforms appearing on the Linux side. I haven't used Xen myself, as when we were moving to virtualisation it didn't have the capabilities or support that VMWare did.
Unless VMware gets its act together it's going to lose market share pretty quickly. The documentation is awful. Just. Fucking. Awful. There's tons of it to be sure, but it's contradictory, badly written, confusing and downright wrong in places.
Ultimately I think Microsoft's hypervisor will become the default for Windows, and one of the others for Linux. VMware will become a niche product.
The true solution is the other way around. Use Ubuntu with KVM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine to run a virtualised copy of Vista.
FTA:
You get to run Linux as your main (secure, stable, malware-free) OS, and you get a cheaper Vista, which you might need to run the odd Windows-only application.
If you lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. Anyone who chooses M$ tech deserves what they get.
Why would you want to run a consumer desktop operating system in a virtual environent? How will that help you being more efficient? Microsoft can't be seriously promoting the use of their desktop OS for server tasks, are they??
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...basically MS is spending money in order to let other OS'es run on their own.
What exactly is the bad thing here? Virtualisation may just be the only way to let some people get a whiff of a different OS.
Whether you go for their whole strategy or not, a good thing to come out of their announcement is them allowing non-Ultimate Vista to be virtualisable (or non-Business, or whichever of the twenty levels they arbitrarily set it at the last time).
I'm on OS X and run a VMware image of XP for a couple of apps. I have no need for Vista, but should a need arise I can now upgrade to the lower versions and carry on running. MS gets some money from me it previously wouldn't have had and I can still use my platform of choice.
That's good news for people.
Cheers,
Ian
Crispin Cowan is the designer and primary author of AppArmor, a kernel service which implements a mandatory access control system.
I know that slashdot eds are supposed to be the some of the worst ever, but MS is in the running... One of the suppported OS's for the Hyper v is.... Microsoft Office 97 or later version
The below is taken from the MS website.
"System Requirements
* Supported Operating Systems: Windows Vista; Windows XP
Microsoft Office 97 or later version"
And who in their right mind will get virtualization software from Microsoft?
One of the main reasons for virtualization to is to run other, competing OSs (mostly Linux) on the same hardware.
You can bet M$ would do everything to make Linux look bad: "see, same hardware, XP / Vista runs better".
It's like putting Ford in charge of building roads and gas stations.
How long do you think before Toyotas, Hondas etc. will develop "unexpected" engine problems from the gasoline served there?
Thanks for the link, that's some hysterically funny shit.
Xen will squeeze VMware out. Anyway ZFS and virtualization are the two hot items.
By mentioning ZFS, you clearly had the Unix/Linux side of virtualization in mind. While you could be right about Xen squeezing out VMWare in the pure Windows area, it's unlikely to happen across the board because XenSource is now owned by Citrix.
Unfortunately, while Xen started out as a FOSS-oriented project, the acquisition of XenSource by Citrix probably signals the end of that, as Citrix's business is all about Windows, and they have no interest in, nor support for, the Linux community. My guess is that in due course this will cause a rift, and FOSS Xen will fork away from XenSource Xen. As things stand though, Xen isn't likely to bloom in the Linux world, because that's not what Citrix do.
Fortunately, Linux has no shortage of other virtualization systems, and they're getting much more development time than Xen these days. If something is going to displace VMWare, it could easily be a dark horse such as KVM. The crystal ball is pretty cloudy in that area at the moment.
should be to run a virtualized Ballmer so that they can shut him down whenever he puts both of his dancing shoes in his mouth during interviews.
Interviewer: "Mr Ballmer, how cool is the Brown Zune?"
Ballmer: "It's an iPod killer. I squirt to you, you squirt to me and then..."
[Ballmer disappears suddenly]
Interviewer: "Wha... What happened?"
Voice From Above: "Do Not Worry. The Virtual Ballmer Has Been Shut Down. Your Interview Has Not Been Affected."
Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
AppArmor (like all path based security) is a joke.
Ubuntu have app armor, but they also include Mono so I guess they're just asking for it.
"The [VMWare] documentation is awful. Just.... Awful. There's tons of it to be sure, but it's contradictory, badly written, confusing and downright wrong in places."
I haven't looked at them for a year, but in the past the VMWare Virtual Appliances were more likely to hurt VMWare's reputation than help it, in my opinion.
Microsoft is completely missing that what its enterprise customers *really* want is a Type-1 hypervisor (akin to Hyper-V) for desktops and laptops. It would radically simplify deployments; rather than having to maintain an RIS/WDS server with different images for different hardware configurations, a company could just have one software image for all the boxes and let the hypervisor worry about the hardware.
From a device security perspective, this could be useful too, as the hypervisor could be tuned to only expose certain hardware to the operating system, allowing corporate IT departments to restrict ports, drives, and network adapters that can leak data.
Does this mean that xen will become subtly but increasingly unstable on the linux platform?
Does this mean that Microsoft is going to launch a virtualization patent army (of lawyers), forcing vmware to devote most of its resources to legal matters?
One topic without someone mentioning the idiots guide to linux! Ubuntu! No one cares you run a bad os.
Virtualization
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But can it cure
Follicle frustraion?
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No, seriously. VMWare having some decent competition isn't going to do any harm - and VMWare will still dominate the Linux market which is not insignificant - and everyone legally allowed to virtualise any version of Vista is great news for everybody including VMWare, if belated.
Microsoft wanting a piece of the market could easily result in great products being created. Look at the recent versions of IIS that have been a vast improvement thanks to the old versions being crappy compared to Apache. Even MS realise that people who are interested in this sort of thing aren't after any old shit.
1) It may well lock you in to using M$ as the Host O/S
2) They will probably cripple (in performance terms) any M$ software running on anything but a M$ Host
3) They may also cripple the performance of say Linux when running on M$ VM
4) Spread lots of FUD about how well Vista performs on Server 2008 and say it still costs less than Linux
Disclaimer,
I use VMWare Server on Linux & Windows(free) and VMWare Fusion on OS/X and have no problems moving the VM's around between systems as required.
The primary use is for training. Students can D/L VMWare Server and run the pre-configured classroom VM's with ease. I shudder to think what licensing hurdles M$ are going put in the way of doing this with their solution especially if it needs a CPU with VM Instructions.
Just my 2p worth.
- Windows Vista Virtual Machine edition - Windows Vista VM edition plus - Windows Vista VM edition ultimate - Windows Vista VM home edition - Windows Vista VM edition OEM and of course the always popular - Windows vista VM edition ultra & Solitaire Pro Edition 2008 ultra Pricing yet to be decided.
since its under GPL, is it possible for someone to just FORK XEN now and not even worry about it ...
or is there no point since it is GPL and open source ... but is it possible for microsoft to change license later down the line screwing everyone into paying ?!?
Microsoft cant be trusted, thats a fact.
why doesn't someone just fork it now steal all the true open source developers and move on ..
something with such great potential (Enterprise wise) shouldn't be trusted within a corporation noways. it should be open source .
I don't think MS is in the same position they were twelve years ago. Microsoft Live still has yet to compete with Google (even in mindshare). I think people are starting to believe (thanks to various communities like Open Source) that MS needs to actually put up or shut up. I think gone are the days of 'announcing' a competitive product and delivering one (and increasingly, a better one).
VMWare will automatically move virtual servers off of failing hardware; you need your servers to be clustered to get similar functionality from Microsoft.
Until Microsoft's virtualization offering has the hardware independence that VMWare has, many businesses will (correctly) consider it a weak product.
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
what alternatives are there (cause nobody prolly reads the subject)
other then vmware
and kvm
XEN scales very nice and has alot of front ends which are web based what would challenger..ed.ed...ed it in the open source market ?
but will the Hypervisor support the Emacs OS??
What I find missing in all the comments so far is the completely different approach to virtualization that VMware has when compared to MS and Xen. The in MS/Xen model, the hypervisor is flat out part of the OS, and the VMs rely on some sort of Dom0 or master partition where most of the real drivers exist.
In the VMware model (think ESX 3i), the hypervisor is a completely different layer that sits under the OS, so there is no direct OS dependency. All the drivers are specially designed and engineered to be high performance for that kind of environment, a reason why it scales so much better (at least when compared to Xen) and also a reason why they don't support all the devices out there.
I think for most of us that care about freedom of choice, the VMware model makes more sense going forward. A good, OS independent, thin hypervisor with standard open interfaces (VMI) for any guest OS kernel that wants to leverage paravirtualization, or just a full hardware abstraction via the VMM for the ones that do not, coupled with good, open source set of instrumentation tools and accelerated drivers.
On top of that, VMware has open sourced their virtual disk format (VMDK), has collaborated with Xen on a completely open VM portable packaging format (OVF), and has a number of fully open source programs. This is allowing the developing of the Virtual Appliance concept and has facilitated the penetration of Linux in places that wouldn't have otherwise.
Now, because I work for VMware (use as disclaimer also), I can tell you that the bread and butter for us is NOT the hypervisor, but all the stack we built on top of it, that includes disaster recovery, lab automation, VM lifecycle and a bunch of other very very high level stuff.
Still, competition is good for the market, open source or not, and as users, we'll all benefit.
Jeebus, I even laughed... Can this guy be blocked or tracked down? He's been posting this racist bullshit for a few days now; its getting annoying.
Windows virtualization strategy is to embrace Linux in the server rooms by virtualizing it. This will degrade Linux from an operating system to an application stack. You will buy the OS from Microsoft, and the Linux application stack from Novell.
Thus, Microsoft will extend Linux by providing better drivers to proprietary HW, nice managing consoles, etc.
When this is sufficiently entrenched, the extinguish phase can begin when somehow Microsofts virtualized software stacks run better than the virtualized Linux stack.
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Cheap price for virtualised Vista ?
"Home Basic" and "Home premium" version authorised to run on virtual machines ?
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Oh yeah, Windows, the only OS that becomes BETTER when stuffed under hypervisor.
All others implement host partitioning within OS kernel, so single scheduler and virtual memory can use shared resources better. Windows, of course, would rather replace those things with braindead hypervisor because its own resource management is not any better. Great job indeed.
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What is to prevent people from duplicating their Ultimate or now Premium/Basic installations and running them within multiple virtual hosts on multiple PC's? Since the virtual host abstracts the hardware layer and this generic hardware environment is the same on every computer, can't someone illegally copy the OS in this way?
The author makes some good points. I'm not saying that it isn't flamebait, but it deserves to be +3 Flamebait, not +0 Flamebait :-)
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VirtualBox. It's friendlier, easier, and damned convenient. I didn't give a RAT'S ASS about the two particular no-virtualization allowed for Basic and Home Premium. And, why SHOULD I or anyone have. It's an onerous, specious, vicious, odious clause. The lawyers and execs who inserted it should be flogged.
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Wait until everyone else does the dirty work and buy them or force them out of business.
That is the advantage of being an monopoly with more $ then all the rest of the players combined.
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Assuming the primary VM platform is servers, Sun is also a legitimate player in the VM market. They give away their version of Xen free. OpenSolris and Solaris run on Sparc, AMD and Intel boxes. They make an excellent home for Windows and Linux Virtual Machines. Do you think Microsoft wants Linux VM's in the mix? Microsoft may be able to hurt VMware by giving away their virtualization offering, but Sun may have more staying power and may be a safer route overall for businesses. This will be an interesting market to watch.
"an alliance with Citrix Systems, owners of XenSource"
Either this is a bad case of "sleeping in bed with the enemy" or someone has a lame-ass sense of humor.
Citrix had better have Perry Mason level attorneys handling this or we're screwed!