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Embedded Microchips In Virtually Everything

Microsoft CRM recommends a long AP article laying out the nightmare scenario of RFID chips in everything tracking not only things but people. The darker possibilities of a technology capable of enabling ubiquitous surveillance are not news to this community, but it's not so common to see them spelled out for a wider audience. "Microchips with antennas embedded in virtually everything you buy, wear, drive and read, allowing retailers and law enforcement to track consumer items and consumers wherever they go. Much of the radio frequency identification technology that enables objects and people to be tagged and tracked wirelessly already exists and potentially intrusive uses of it are being patented, perfected and deployed... [A director at FTI Consulting] said:] 'It's going to be used in unintended ways by third parties — not just the government, but private investigators, marketers, lawyers building a case against you.'"

186 comments

  1. Ok, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what do you do about it when this starts happening?
    How do you put the genie back in the bottle? Live in the hills?

    1. Re:Ok, by Shatrat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tinfoil hats.
      Do you think we wear them because they look cool?

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    2. Re:Ok, by webmaster404 · · Score: 0

      Learn to code, how to defeat the technology, how to be smarter then the "smart" devices. All this stuff isn't so scary once you learn how it works and how to disable it.

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    3. Re:Ok, by sankekur · · Score: 1

      tinfoil body suit

    4. Re:Ok, by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Learn to code, how to defeat the technology, how to be smarter then the "smart" devices. All this stuff isn't so scary once you learn how it works and how to disable it.

      Yeah, sticking RFID encrusted stuff in the microwave is so very hard.

      Maybe you should write up a "RFID for Dummies" book.

      Profit!

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    5. Re:Ok, by theoverlay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that rfid is not so scary if you know the details of the implementations. There are many systems already implemented that are a lot tougher to circumvent than these things. The recent Dutch $2B transit system is a great example although I know this article is referring to somewhat different usage scenarios. The knowledge is power as always. http://infiniteadmin.com/

    6. Re:Ok, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The smart thing to do is akknowledge you can't control this. Sure you can microwave the tags YOU CAN SEE. You want to disable them? Do what shoplifters do.Put them in tin foil bags. LOL

    7. Re:Ok, by darkonc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, just remember to pull out the microchip(s) before you put it on.

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    8. Re:Ok, by sykopomp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I have a friend that uses his passport as his main ID. He showed it to me once: He keeps it wrapped in a couple of layers of tinfoil. It's one of those newfangled RFID passports :P

    9. Re:Ok, by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

      Yeah, sticking RFID encrusted stuff in the microwave is so very hard.

      Doing that to disable the RFID chip in something like an iPod or a cellphone would tend to disable more then just the RFID chip.

    10. Re:Ok, by Typoboy · · Score: 1

      Oh no...

        tesla coils, and/or microwave ovens and/or RFID-Zapper.

      Let the fun and sparks begin :)

    11. Re:Ok, by Kenz0r · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have a friend that uses his passport as his main ID. He showed it to me once: He keeps it wrapped in a couple of layers of tinfoil. It's one of those newfangled RFID passports :P Check out the RFID Blocking Passport Billfold at ThinkGeek: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/910f/

      Now you can be paranoid with style!
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    12. Re:Ok, by StarfishOne · · Score: 1

      RFID For Dummies (Paperback)
      by Patrick J. Sweeney II

      http://www.amazon.com/RFID-Dummies-Patrick-J-Sweeney/dp/076457910X

      Perhaps you can add a chapter to the next release though ;)

    13. Re:Ok, by DrWho520 · · Score: 1

      When ever this stars coming to pass, all my shirts and underwear go directly into the microwave!

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    14. Re:Ok, by solitas · · Score: 1

      I can see the birth of a big market for hand scanners that will ping all the expected frequencies and let you know, if not what the chip is saying, at least whether or not it senses any chips.

      I've not yet played with any RFID stuff in particular, but I can't figure it'd be too hard to simply sense the strength of a returned ping so you could locate the chip and deal with it.

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    15. Re:Ok, by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      It should be pretty difficult to read an RFID passport from any distance away, since it includes a thin faraday-cage anyway. Some black-hat researches showed it was possible to read from a couple of feet away if it was opened a bit, so it's only if you take it out that it's really a risk.

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    16. Re:Ok, by Sitxu · · Score: 0

      Yes I do, because the other purposed use, is empirically inutil.
      go to : http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet

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  2. Class division by webmaster404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I expect that all the new "smart devices" will create a class division within developed countries, those who can program and those who can't. We already have part of it with Best Buy and other computer retailers trying to sell you at least $300 in extra hardware/software/support even though you don't need it yet the uninformed take the bait and end up spending money they don't need. Also, the same thing is happening with computer repair and support, if you don't know whats wrong tech support is more than willing to test every combination and then charge you for the privilege of fixing it along with any other thing that /might/ be wrong.

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    1. Re:Class division by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think eventually it's going to flatten out. The reason is because the human mind can only do so much. I think we are nearing or maybe already past the point where the average person is expected to know too much and things start to break down.

      At some point technology is going to need to make a serious shift into to making itself more manageable to the common person. Eventually even the geeks won't be able to manage all the technical information. There's just too much of it.

    2. Re:Class division by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't see how that translates into a new class division. What you describe is the benefit of being proficient in any field. Likewise, a mechanic could take me for a ride while someone who knows cars won't be so easily fooled. A doctor (or nurse) would be prevent themselves being taken by another health care provider (when they go to the doctor)....

    3. Re:Class division by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >Also, the same thing is happening with computer repair and support, if you don't know whats wrong tech support is more than willing to test every combination and then charge you for the privilege of fixing it along with any other thing that /might/ be wrong.

      This is different from cars... how?

      If you come in with an unusual problem (outside of simple stuff like "timing belt", "spark plugs", "oil"), and give them a vague description like "Oh, well, you know, I was just driving it and now, well, it doesn't 'go'" and when you're asked "What kind of car do you drive?", you say "Uhhh, a black one", and when asked "Did you try starting it?", you say "Oh, I should do that? I just left it running, it's outside my house right now.", "Have you ever changed the oil?" -- "It needs *THAT*? WTF?!? I want a car, not an oil slick!"

      Yeah, you're going to be billed up the ass for the issue then, since the tech has to spend 2 extra hours doing the stuff YOU are supposed to figure out on your own as a car owner (Like brining the car there, what brand of car it is, how old it is, if the oil's been changed, etc, etc).

      Be assured, I work tech support, this is about the equivalent of what I get. Yesterday, I had a customer write down Start -> Email because they couldn't remember that's how to get to their email (dead serious). This is normal, and quite honestly, I've had customers who find doing something as simple as that incredibly difficult.

    4. Re:Class division by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      Clearly not all, but maybe we can get some evolutionary pressure to become smarter. If the average person isn't smart enough to handle day to day life, then the average person will need to become smarter.

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    5. Re:Class division by Cosmic+AC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But computing is pervasive. In the future, more and more things will be controlled by software, rather than by cars or doctors.

    6. Re:Class division by tsa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's nothing new. It happened with cars, washing machines, and I bet horses in the olden days... People will always make use of the ignorance of others. That 'class division' always existed for all things that need maintenance by a professional.

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    7. Re:Class division by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      That doesn't really mean a damn thing. I mean, computing is already pervasive, but knowing how to use a computer or write code still doesn't help me use my microwave or refrigerator, even though both of them probably have microcontrollers.

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    8. Re:Class division by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Clearly not all, but maybe we can get some evolutionary pressure to become smarter. If the average person isn't smart enough to handle day to day life, then the average person will need to become smarter. Unfortunately, the yardstick of "success" from an evolutionary standpoint is very simply "procreation". The bar remains exceptionally low for that, no matter what happens on the technology front. Even worse, the indications are that smarter folks have fewer children. With modern society having a distinct shortage of wild tigers roaming around eating the slow and stupid, there isn't any evolutionary pressure to become smarter. Between liability lawsuits and modern farming techniques, we've set up a petri dish where the foolish not only survive, but grow fat and multiply like crazy. No, the pressure won't be on the dense to become brighter, it'll be on the product engineers to make technology "friendlier", so even the daft can handle it.

      Salesman: This new user-friendly computer only has one button, and we press it for you before it leaves the factory.
      Dilbert: What does the button do?
      Salesman: Whoa, I'm in way over my head here. Let me give you our tech support number.
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    9. Re:Class division by webmaster404 · · Score: 1

      No, but if there is any rule with technology that all devices almost always follows is that the more advanced something is the higher probability that it will break, fail or malfunction. If say there is a "great refrigerator worm" you can either protect yourself from it therefore not needing to spend an extra $300 on a new fridge, or not get scammed by people who are selling "fridge antivirus" that protect you from all the "threats to your refrigerator's well-being" that really doesn't do much. Not to mention with all the RFID and people getting so paranoid with it, whats to say that there won't be a service to remove the /harmless/ RFID tags from products that will cost as much as the product, if you know how to code you can possibly disable it via the OS in the embedded device or know how it works and figure that it isn't a big threat, much as how cookies were thought to be "the end to all privacy online" and people took cookies to be viruses and trojans yet to a programmer they were simply harmless text files that got blown out of proportion by the media.

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    10. Re:Class division by mikiN · · Score: 1

      yet to a programmer [cookies] were simply harmless text files that got blown out of proportion by the media. What are your SSN, credit card details and online banking login info but harmless strings of characters?
      That is, until some malware stores them inside a cookie, to be gobbled up by some random online gambling ad server next time you surf the Web...
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    11. Re:Class division by emilper · · Score: 1

      No, but if there is any rule with technology that all devices almost always follows is that the more advanced something is the higher probability that it will break, fail or malfunction.

      According to this rule, your computer should break down every few milliseconds, since the old-time computers blew a lamp or a fuse every day, even sometimes every few hours ...

    12. Re:Class division by jc42 · · Score: 1

      With modern society having a distinct shortage of wild tigers roaming around eating the slow and stupid, there isn't any evolutionary pressure to become smarter.

      Maybe not tigers, but we have a good supply of the most vicious predator on the planet, the one that has wiped out most of the other top predators: humans. And humans are still killing each other at rates comparable to (or greater than) what the non-human predators in previous millennia have ever achieved.

      So Mother Nature still has a good differential survival rate to work with. We just don't understand clearly what the survival characteristics are. This is made clear by the ongoing argument that the educated classes are having fewer children, and are being outbred by the uneducated masses. This argument shows a profound misunderstanding of how the evolutionary process works. Humans have always had one of the lowest reproductive rates of all animals, and we've survived quite well relative to the other top predators. That in itself should be sufficient to debunk the "more children is better" argument.

      The future probably belongs to those of us who are smart enough to keep out of the line of fire of the various gangs that are currently wandering around killing people. And as long as we have such gangs (going by whatever names are popular at the time), Ma Nature's selection process will continue to work. What the survivors will be like, we can only guess.

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  3. What circumstantial means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this means is we'll have to fix the courts so they follow their own laws and stop sending people to jail on coincedental evidence.

  4. Fuzz Busters.. by aero2600-5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As soon as RFID chips start appearing in all of our items, the market for devices that destroy them without damaging the article itself will very quickly materialize. Honestly, if I can figure out how to destroy them easily, I may be in on that market.

    And then they'll make tougher RFID chips, and we'll make tougher devices to kill them. And this war will escalate just like the Radar vs Radar Detector arms race. What are the cops using now? Negatively modulated phased arrays doppler assisted with frequency hopping? Exactly.

    Aero

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    1. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by slashbob22 · · Score: 1

      And then they'll make tougher RFID chips, and we'll make tougher devices to kill them. And this war will escalate just like the Radar vs Radar Detector arms race. What are the cops using now? Negatively modulated phased arrays doppler assisted with frequency hopping? Exactly. This is fine in the principle of large devices for a small target group. But if you have to make the change across the entire retail/government/other sector to read and use these chips AND the cost goes up proportionally then at some point the war -could- be won. Or, like shoplifting, the costs^W savings can be passed on to consumers.
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    2. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if someone decides to give you those devices or the parts to make them or the information needed.Radar detector is one thing .Can you get a radar jammer?No you're not allowed to have one .I assume a smart guy likee you has made one anyway.

    3. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by theoverlay · · Score: 1

      How many cops actually know what they're using? I see there being more of a market for competitors to use each other's rfid implementations against them (as in espionage and sabotage) rather than a market for flat out destruction of devices. http://infiniteadmin.com/

    4. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the market for devices that destroy them without damaging the article itself will very quickly materialize. And if it doesn't, I'm buying stock in hammers.
    5. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by mrcaseyj · · Score: 1

      Although disabling the RFID tags might help, it might not do much good. If only one percent of the population consistently disables all of the RFID tags they carry then it will be relatively easy to just correlate the sensor detections of people who don't have any readable tags. That probably wouldn't work on the side walks of New York City, but on roads or less heavily used side walks you could probably still be tracked. Also if you're one of the few with no tags then you might get some extra scrutiny. Also tags might be set to remain silent for the first 100 scans or so and then activate only occasionally to defeat your attempts to find and destroy them.

    6. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by iJusten · · Score: 1

      I don't know much about how RFIDs work, but I would hazard a guess a quick run thru the microwave should do the trick...particularly if we are talking about clothes and not gadgets.

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    7. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by BlueParrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what do you do when you CANT destroy the RFID because it is necessary for the device you bought to function? E.g, when your credit card doesn't work without the rfid chip, when you are not allowed to enter the subway without an rfid enabled ticket etc... Take your money elsewhere? Say hello to cartels and monopolies that are in cahoots with the government.

      If it was as easy as just destroying the chip ( and if destroying the chip was legal ) then it wouldn't be a problem.

    8. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by naam00 · · Score: 1

      I'm up for a device that is recognized as a chip by readers, and just spews out random garbage. Let them track that.

    9. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      Pack it in tinfoil...
      that won't solve the problem completely, but at least you will only be traceable at the points where you use the thing in question.

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    10. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by willyv · · Score: 1

      What if you were to replace the information on the rfid? Would you get better service at the bank or restaurant with Versace or Louis Vuitton rfid tags? Maybe people will carry a wallet full of rfid tags to advertise their economic value?

    11. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then a market for devices that muggers can use to scan their proximity fo "juicy targets" will crop up. Although those who want to advertise their economic value are probably already wearing pearl necklaces, Rolex watches, $3000 belt buckles etc.

    12. Re:Fuzz Busters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what do you do when you CANT destroy the RFID because it is necessary for the device you bought to function? E.g, when your credit card doesn't work without the rfid chip, when you are not allowed to enter the subway without an rfid enabled ticket etc... Take your money elsewhere? Say hello to cartels and monopolies that are in cahoots with the government.

      If it was as easy as just destroying the chip ( and if destroying the chip was legal ) then it wouldn't be a problem. In that case, wrap the credit card in tinfoil or better yet buy a cool looking metal card-holder (a.k.a. faraday cage). Actually when the government here (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia) introduces the miki transport ticketing system that's exactly what I'm going to do - buy one of the metal flip-top dealies I've been looking at online so that I can make it readable when needed (only at the gate on public transport) but otherwise invisible.
  5. FUD by JRHelgeson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The RFID chips have a transmission range of 3cm, thats one freakin' inch. If you have a large antenna, you can get 30cm range (1 foot).
    Half the people I know use a key card to access/unlock doors at work. Those things have an RFID chip in them. How close do you have to hold those up to the reader? Yup, 3cm.

    If you had a 6' satellite dish mounted on the back of a truck, you could theoretically blast out a signal strong enough to activate the RFID receiver and get it to reflect back a signal to the dish, but the weakness of the return signal is so minute that you still would not be able to hear the return signal past 10' away.

    Sorry, but does the government really care if you have any more "hot pockets" in your freezer? These articles are more about scare tactics than reality.

    Now, a concern that has been brought up is programmable RFID chips. If your can of Campbell's Tomato soup had a programmable RFID tag then a customer could program it with self replicating code and place it back on the shelf. Then, when the store took inventory and scanned the shelf, the "infected" can of soup would receive the energy pulse and reply not with the information the reader is looking for, but with a reprogramming signal that would "reprogram" the cans of soup around it with the self replicating code. Could you imagine a whole WalMart being quarantined due to an RFID worm outbreak?

    It isn't really possible, the return signal from an RFID chip isn't even strong enough to power up an RFID chip next to it, but it is nevertheless fun to think about.

    Read my /. journal article on RFID chips and the need to adopt them.

    Joel Helgeson

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    1. Re:FUD by hobbesmaster · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't you burn out the RFID chip before you could read at more than a few feet? The wires used for the passive antennas in cheap RFIDs cannot take much current.

    2. Re:FUD by c6gunner · · Score: 0, Troll

      Hrm. Your post is intelligent, well thought out, and rational.

      U MUST B 1 OF DEM!!!!!11!

    3. Re:FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So like every time you walk through a (security) door the rfid chip will not be read?
      I thought passive rfid chips especially for the purpose of tracking are already wide spread in shops? Or is that another beast?

    4. Re:FUD by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      No kidding, they're freakin' barcodes! I've used a RFID chip to get into my workplace every day for the last 3 years and it's not giving me cancer and I'm not being trailed by men in black. It's cheaper for the company than hiring a security guard on all 14 floors, and it's handier for me to be able to get into work after hours. It's not some satan technology from hell to enslave us all, it's a fricken' barcode.

    5. Re:FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the older generation tags have a 3cm range. The modern ones are reliable at 8 feet or more. A high power reader with a very focussed antenna could very easily do 20 feet or better.

      The good news is those same tags should be "killed" when purchased and it is very easy for the owner of an object to find out if that object has a tag that was not killed in it.

      That said, I haven't found a way to reliably destroy a tag that most consumer items would survive.

    6. Re:FUD by Sparky+McGruff · · Score: 5, Informative
      Okay, so your one example is that one type of RFID works at about an inch. And you imply that this is the only type of RFID that anyone is concerned with.

      So, how the hell is that useful for Wal-Mart, in tagging pallets? Having done inventory in a warehouse before in my mis-spent youth, I can tell you that on a pallet (wrapped in shrink wrap, stacked three high), an RFID tag that only read at one inch (or even six inches) would be completely useless. Pretty much the same usefulness as a bar-code sticker, or a metal tag with an embossed number. Those Wal-mart people must be morons to insist that their suppliers include tags on shipping pallets that cant be read from more than an inch away.

      But, since you insist, there must not be any other kind of RFID. I'll go edit the wikipedia entry now. It's obviously written by a conspiracy nut.

      Passive tags have practical read distances ranging from about 10 cm (4 in.) (ISO 14443) up to a few meters (Electronic Product Code (EPC) and ISO 18000-6), depending on the chosen radio frequency and antenna design/size. Due to their simplicity in design they are also suitable for manufacture with a printing process for the antennas. The lack of an onboard power supply means that the device can be quite small: commercially available products exist that can be embedded in a sticker, or under the skin in the case of low frequency RFID tags.
    7. Re:FUD by El+Royo · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Gen 2 RFID tags that will be in use by retailers have an ideal range of around 25-30'. With special equipment you can read even farther. Also, RFID tags typically only store data so your worm scenario is entirely unlikely. RFID tags that retailers typically use store only RFID equivalent of a bar-coded UPC. It would take a very poorly written program to take data off an RFID tag and 'run' it. Not to say this can't happen (see SQL injection) but it's so unlikely.

      There was an article that was posted with a 'proof of concept' RFID virus. Totally bogus from the outset. They wrote a program that used RFID in non-standard ways, then programmed a non-standard RFID tag that their non-standard program read and then executed the tag information.

      Also, in response to an earlier poster the Gen 2 RFID tags already have a built-in kill switch. You can send a command to the tags that will deactivate them. So, coming up with complicated schemes for destroying RFID tags is a bit overblown. Also, I've been led to believe that a couple seconds in the microwave will also deactivate them.

      I'm a little dismayed about the fearmongering surrounding RFID. I do think that the implications of technology that can conceivably be used to track people need to be discussed but I think it is possible to do it without being a sensationalist.

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    8. Re:FUD by BlueStrat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Half the people I know use a key card to access/unlock doors at work. Those things have an RFID chip in them. How close do you have to hold those up to the reader? Yup, 3cm.

      We must have had RFID-enabled employee badges/pass cards on steroids then. The aircraft service facility I worked at used them, and were required to enter not only the main employee entrance, but also to access doors to various departments. The doors would unlock when someone with an authorized pass/badge would walk within a couple feet.

      You could just barely avoid having the doors along a hallway unlock as you passed if you walked along the far wall of the hallway, which would've been about 6 feet. The sensor pads were next to each door. All day long you'd hear "bzzzt...click" as people walked past the door to your department. Annoying at first until one learned to tune it out.

      I think the range depends more on the size of the RFID interrogation transceivers' antenna and the sensitivity of the receiver part of the transceivers' front-end (the first signal amplifying stages right after the antenna).

      I could easily imagine the tech built into innocuous things like lampposts, store/shop doors, roads and streets, etc. to be able to track an individuals' movements within a city. The range here would only need to be a couple feet, and you wouldn't need to trip a reading on every reader, only a few would still give a basic travel pattern.

      Cheers!

      Strat

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    9. Re:FUD by noidentity · · Score: 1

      The RFID chips have a transmission range of 3cm, thats one freakin' inch. If you have a large antenna, you can get 30cm range (1 foot).

      Antenna strip under doormat, RFID tag in shoes from store, feet barely lift off ground when walking, easy tracking.

    10. Re:FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you had a 6' satellite dish mounted on the back of a truck, you could theoretically blast out a signal strong enough to activate the RFID receiver and get it to reflect back a signal to the dish, but the weakness of the return signal is so minute that you still would not be able to hear the return signal past 10' away."

        i love the way make an evolving (read:all) technology static....the chap above whom wrote about an escalating arms race was on the money.... somebody, someday, maybe even a guy like you or me, will figure out just how to put this massive array of parabolic transceivers onto a handy wallet-sized doo-hickey, thus begin the cycle, and in the mean time, the consumer (maybe a guy like you or me) gets screwed by the evol fraudsters/Kazakhstani mafioso/script-kiddy/clueless & greedy corporation until the "latest" tech comes about to counter-act the bad guys(tm) technology(r).
      if there's one thing i've noticed over the 25 years of tinkering with technology - if there is a buck in it somewhere in the process, somebody with the inclination and motivation will want that buck they don't desrve. the crimes haven't evolved, the technology to facilitate that crime has no option than to be invented.

      sometimes, in the case of the script-kiddy/infosec researcher, it's just a desire to break things and learn that is the undoing...

      have a nice day :)

    11. Re:FUD by dacut · · Score: 1

      We must have had RFID-enabled employee badges/pass cards on steroids then. [...] You could just barely avoid having the doors along a hallway unlock as you passed if you walked along the far wall of the hallway, which would've been about 6 feet.

      There are older technologies which used large (inches in diameter and tens or hundreds of windings; these are large compared to the millimeter-sized RFID tags being talked about today) inductive coils to both power and communicate with a chip embedded in a card. I had one to enter an office building at a startup in the 90s.

      The technology and protocols used are quite different between the two. With the old ones, you couldn't easily have multiple tags present -- the reader would get hopelessly confused trying to decode the interfering signals. The new inventory tracking RFID tags, however, rely on the reader to interrogate tags; it only looks for an "I'm here" signal from any tag as it progressively decodes more bits. There are some interesting exploits for this weakness; my favorite is Rivest's technique which sends the "I'm here" signal for every possible pattern requested by the reader, causing it try to interrogate the entire id space -- a bit like trying to brute force an encryption algorithm.

    12. Re:FUD by tonk · · Score: 1

      The RFID chips have a transmission range of 3cm, There are several different types of RFID that use different frequencies and cover different ranges. For a first overview, look at A Structured Collection on Information and Literature on Technological and Usability Aspects of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID), chapter 6.

      A concept on how to actually identify and track people using EPCs on RFID can be found in the paper Identification and Tracking of Individuals and Social Networks using the Electronic Product Code on RFID Tags or the corresponding slides (SSL certs are from CAcert.org, so there might be a warning message in your browser).

      There is also a study on RFID, Profiling, and Ambient Intelligence that might help to further highlight this topic.
    13. Re:FUD by Cheesey · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Another piece of (mis)information about RFID is that the chips can be made very small, when miniaturisation is limited by the minimum size of an effective antenna. An earlier discussion on that topic.

      However, RFID could solve a variety of problems in the surveillance business: how do you track everyone's movements without protests and objections? You can't rely on image recognition, so getting everyone to carry remotely readable electronic tags seems to be the best way. Mobile phones are good, but people might turn them off or leave them at home. So there is a reason to miniaturise RFID devices and make them readable over a distance of several metres, even if it is beyond the current state of the art.

      Aside: I've been wondering if people could be tracked using their smell. Could an electronic nose be used to identify people as they walk past? People apparently have unique smells, but only very good noses (e.g. dogs) can tell the difference. This biometric could be read at a distance, in place of the fabled secret police database linked RFID reader that scans everyone's chips as they pass within range.

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    14. Re:FUD by RicktheBrick · · Score: 1

      I can see all alcohol and tobacco products having a RFID chip. I can see that in order to purchase said product one would have to scan a machine readable ID. Now if said product is found in the hands of a minor than the person who purchased the product would have to explain why. If no one purchased the product(shoplifted) than the store that purchased it would have to explain why they can not prevent the shoplifting. If one is caught DUI I would tell them they can not purchase alcohol for at least 5 years so this would help deter that crime. I would also give every one the ability to willing give up their right to purchase alcohol and thus make every one else responsible for enforcing it.

    15. Re:FUD by zehaeva · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how revoking ones ability to purchase alcohol would 1) punish them and 2) deter the crime of DUI. I can not tell you the number of times i have gone to a house party and had a drink pushed into my hand, one i never purchased, or gone to a bar and had a friend pick up drinks because it was too crowded to get more than one person to the bar.

      you seem to be forgetting that one does not have to have the bottle to drink it, kids can pour the alcohol into some other container, which mean running around school with vodka in a sprite bottle (yeah i lived a misspent youth) an alcoholic and those prone to drive while drunk honestly have no need to purchase the alcohol themselves. i'm usually not given to hyperbole but reasoning like this seems as effective as all the reasoning for the war on drugs or why we got the sony rootkit for drm.

      people will do whatever they can to do what they want to do. and no matter how much you try to use technology to stop it so long as there people involved the system will be circumvented and broken.

    16. Re:FUD by j_166 · · Score: 1

      "Now if said product is found in the hands of a minor than the person who purchased the product would have to explain why."

      Easy. They stole it. Damn kids.

    17. Re:FUD by jansegers · · Score: 1

      "Everything shall be known", Jesus said some 2000 years ago. I believe this to be true today... But on the positive site of it, is the idea that when you believe in something, even mountains can be displaced... The web2.0 already provides enormous opportunity to everyone wanting to do something. Pieter Jansegers webosophy.ning.com

  6. vote with your wallet by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I won't buy anything that tracks me, just like i refuse to purchase software the requires it to phone home.

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    1. Re:vote with your wallet by DigitAl56K · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Voting with your wallet is effective only when a large number of people do it. Take Walmart for example - you can easily find lots of people who claim a Walmart has ruined their neighborhood, but as long as thousands of others hand over their cash to get the cheaper goods on offer it doesn't make any difference. If you suffer for your cause, but your suffering has no impact, why make yourself suffer?

      RFID is poised to go this way - I don't like it either, but unless it's widely rejected a handful of people protesting it won't make the difference. The best plan for RFID proponents is to make it so widespread so quickly that you have no option but to buy essential goods that are RFID tagged, and once you start doing that, why avoid some goods and not others?

    2. Re:vote with your wallet by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      thats the same mentality that's got your country all messed up with a 2 party polical system - "why bother i can't make an impact no matter how i vote". you all need to stop that nonsense thinking and realise you DO make an impact no matter how small.

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    3. Re:vote with your wallet by wellingj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you suffer for your cause, but your suffering has no impact, why make yourself suffer?
      I would suffer because it makes a difference to me. This is why the US is sliding into the crap-hole, its because everyone shrugs and says "Well that's just the way it is." Fuck that. And if you are going to be one of those people who doesn't stand up for themselves, well fuck you too. By giving up like that you just made it harder for anyone who does give a damn.
    4. Re:vote with your wallet by DigitAl56K · · Score: 1

      thats the same mentality that's got your country all messed up with a 2 party polical system I assume you are implying that I am an American. You sir, would be incorrect.
    5. Re:vote with your wallet by DigitAl56K · · Score: 1

      Oh, I give a damn. I don't use a credit card, I pay cash for almost everything.

      At the same time I walk around all day with a cell-phone in my pocket and I expect most everyone here does also. You already know the US government is listening to all of your calls, what makes you think they're not tracking your location and who you associate with also? But you don't disconnect the battery from your cell phone when you're not making calls, do you? Well there you go, you aren't standing up for your privacy!

      My point was not that you shouldn't stand up for yourself, it is that there are cases when you don't have a choice, and that if RFID becomes too widespread too quickly none of us may have a realistic choice.

    6. Re:vote with your wallet by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Hope you don't use a credit card.

      And anyway, there is no way that voting with you wallet is going to work. Most people just don't care. Nothing will change that.

  7. Privacy Already Gone? by webword · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RFID and related technologies will only continue to push us down the path we are already on. There are cameras all the place, we constantly give up our addresses and credit card numbers, and even our grocery discount cards are tracking our purchases. This isn't going to slow down or let up. The trick will be to understand and govern what is in place, not necessarily slow down the technology changes we're seeing.

    There's little in the way of choice left regarding the use of this technology. It's too pervasive, in more sense than one.

  8. Over here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You can effectively already be tracked via cellphones, electronic transactions, and all the cameras out there, both public and private. Not to mention al the people who see you.

    1. Re:Over here! by quonsar · · Score: 5, Funny

      I demand my constitutional right to invisibility!

    2. Re:Over here! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I demand my constitutional right to invisibility!

      I demand that the government recognize the 9th and 10th amendments, and cease performing any acts not permitted to it by the remainder of the Constitution!

  9. Will it be a hard sell or a soft sell? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In light of the obviously undesireable implications of having every detail available to any spook with a scanner, I imagine that we'll start seeing systems designed to detect and neutralize the tags. Given that they are designed to respond to scans they shouldn't be too hard to ferret out(until the RFID equivalent of port knocking comes out, of course). Presumably a variety of little arms races will be kicked off, between the cypherpunks and the feds, the counterfeiters and the corporations, etc.

    The more interesting question, though, is what the reaction will look like on a social scale. Will RFID tags be routinely removed at point of sale, the way dye tags are, or will they be aggressively integrated into products in an effort to make them tamperproof? Will people at large see neutralizing RFID tags in items you own as a common, sensible, precaution, like shredding important documents, or will that be seen as the sort of thing that only hackers, criminals, and other shady characters would do?

    It will also be interesting to see what sorts of uses the vast amount of ambient information will be put to. Obviously, the usual surveillance and marketing stuff will be pretty thick on the ground; but there might be some rather more curious things as well. I can just imagine the horde of social networking gimmicks that will spring up around the ability to detect the consumer goods carried by those around you. It'll be just like Zune Squirting; but ubiquitous!(Does anybody else miss the days when the future was going to have flying cars and robots?)

    1. Re:Will it be a hard sell or a soft sell? by Fishead · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know too much about RFID, but I thought the deal was that it is encrypted so that the chip only responds if the code transmitted is correct. Much like my car alarm. This makes it more difficult to "sniff" hidden chips.

      As far as removing the unwanted RFID chip, if the RFID transducer is fabricated on top of a PIC microcontroller, and the microcontroller has no added external markings, everything that has a microcontroller could have a hidden RFID chip. This means your key fob for your car, your USB memory stick, your cell phone, your digital camera your... anything with a microcontroller could contain a very non-removable RFID device. Reading the chip IS limited to a few inches, but airports could find this a useful way to track travellers when they put your cell phone through the x-ray. Sorta like an extra passport you didn't know you were carrying?

    2. Re:Will it be a hard sell or a soft sell? by Alexx+K · · Score: 1

      Will people at large see neutralizing RFID tags in items you own as a common, sensible, precaution, like shredding important documents, or will that be seen as the sort of thing that only hackers, criminals, and other shady characters would do?

      Well, knowing the government, I'd say they'll be paid to start up their propaganda machines and convince people that consumers who remove RFID chips are terrorists wishing to hide from the law. A fine and jail sentence will also be handed down to those who are discovered with RFID-less devices.

      Of course, I could just be paranoid. You be the judge.

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    3. Re:Will it be a hard sell or a soft sell? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can imagine that an appeal to the widespread enthusiasm for "competitive consumption" could probably be used to increase consumer acceptance of RFID in a fair number of demographics. A system that scans the tags embedded in the goods carried by nearby people and reports the provenance and approximate value of those goods would likely be a hit in some circles(and with muggers; but never you mind about that). A likely implementation of such a system would be in cell phones. RFID reader + data connection to look up IDs + screen and/or audio interface to give results to the user. I'm envisioning a variety of different brandings of the same core system. "Appearance ValueMetriX Professional Plus Premium Edition for Windows Mobile 20xx" would be positioned to appeal to marketing people, higher end gold diggers, and similar. The other end of the spectrum would be "Ping yo' Bling powered by Boost Mobile".

      Such systems would likely be very popular with the sundry "luxury" brands that are having a difficult time competing with functionally identical and vastly less expensive clones. Cloning the tags would be a fair bit harder than cloning the goods themselves(particularly in a market like this, more expensive and more capable tags would be used), and they could have all sorts of cheesy tie-ins that would be offered by nearby RFID reader devices to people wearing the right tags. The phrase "Gucci Genuine Advantage" makes me die a little on the inside; but I can totally imagine it happening. With a functionally infinite number of UUIDs available, all sorts of ambient services could be tied to wearable goods. Faster entry into trendy clubs, a flattering picture of you being validated by a celebrity appearing on video billboards when you walk past, exclusive ringtones, servile salespeople who know your name, tastes, and preferred form of flattery the moment you step through the door, and so on ad nauseum.

    4. Re:Will it be a hard sell or a soft sell? by dr.pipe · · Score: 1

      Everyone seems to be looking at it like, the Man will hide these things in my stuff and we have to figure out how to circumvent it... I think they will be seen more as a feature! social networking, like you say. Google your missing left sock. Track your usage of various clothing or other items by frequency and location over a period of months. Receive email alerts when your toothpaste is almost empty! etc. As we progress into the future, it looks to me like people will be less concerned about privacy, and more interested in how to share everything about themselves most effectively. Still, I expect to see a quiltwork of many unrelated systems making use of tech like arfids, growing up like dot.coms, rather than some unified system that would make it easy for a surveillance state to track us. See also Everyware, Rainbows End, anything by Bruce S.

    5. Re:Will it be a hard sell or a soft sell? by bobsledbob · · Score: 1

      Kind of. If every product had an RFID chip with a unique "knock" that only it responded to, then the usefulness of the RFID goes away, since you would have to identify the item first (UPC scan?) in order to send the appropriate knock.

      So, to make RFID useful, the chip must respond to some sort of generic command to identify itself.

      Now, perhaps Walmart, for example, might force its manufacturers into encrypting their RFID with a certain sequence that in theory only Walmart knows, thus leaving the RFID chip invisible to other non-Wally scanners. But, I think it's obvious to suggest this method can obviously be defeated and probably difficult to implement.

      In general, RFID will be made to respond to requests generically in order to be most useful. This gives hope to products being available to detect, disrupt and disable RFID embedded in your personal possessions.

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    6. Re:Will it be a hard sell or a soft sell? by OutOfMyTree · · Score: 1

      My new passport has an RFID chip. In 5 trips round Europe and a bit beyond in the last year, I haven't seen anyone else at passport control messing with aluminium foil. I guess a few might have expensive anti-RFID bags/wallets to keep them in, but it doesn't look like it. My guess is that socially, most people won't worry about RFID everywhere.

  10. secure facilities (defense contractors, etc) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wonder how secure facilities - the ones that won't let you bring in a camera phone or phone at all, and demand a list of all the non-volatile memories in the product you are selling - will handle this.

    As that ultimately goes back to the feds, it's possible that the government, with it's own bean-counting directives towards COTS technology, may ultimately provide some kind of limit on what kinds of feature-bug "extras" are including in products.

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  12. Can anyone here actually pay attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    These things have a read distance of 3 FREAKING CENTIMETERS!
    For the metric impaired 3 centimeters = 1.18110236 inches

    The only way "they" will be able to track you with RFID is to
    PHYSICALLY FOLLOW YOU AROUND HOLDING A READER AN INCH FROM YOUR ASS!!!!
    You will LIKELY notice this behavior.

    Now, if you wish to be concerned about "them" tracking you, check out
    your CELLPHONE. The CELLPHONE PROVIDERS ALREADY keep location records on EVERY PHONE
    for at least 60 days "Just In Case". They have no actual business reason to keep those
    records, They just do.

    How about being concerned about a real threat instead of a stupid made up one?

    GGAAAHH!

    1. Re:Can anyone here actually pay attention? by lewp · · Score: 1

      I don't know...

      I have a pretty big ass.

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    2. Re:Can anyone here actually pay attention? by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      just like global warming. the real threat to our environment comes from deforestation and over fishing, yet everyone is focused on global warming even though it's a total crock of shit.

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    3. Re:Can anyone here actually pay attention? by Typoboy · · Score: 1

      But at least we know that AT&T won't do anything bad with that information, right?

    4. Re:Can anyone here actually pay attention? by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

      Quit shouting, it makes you look like a freaking idiot. Try reading http://www.foodproductiondaily.com/news/ng.asp?id=52356-long-distance-rfid , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID for starters. Or google and find the article when a guy build an rfid sniffer that could eavesdrop on an rfid exchange between a reader and chip from 30-meters away. It's not as implausible as you make it sound.

      Why bother putting cameras on all the street corners and deal with face recognition software to track people, like England? It's easier to put rfid readers on all the street corners and record all the rfid tags. The credit card companies are starting to put rfid in the credit cards and those would be damn easy to track or copy if you're a thief. Or similar to http cookies, notice the combination of size 11 purple nikes, walmart brand socks, size large fruit of the loom mini-briefs, and trojan condoms in the wallet passing by the scanner.

    5. Re:Can anyone here actually pay attention? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      These things have a read distance of 3 FREAKING CENTIMETERS! For the metric impaired 3 centimeters = 1.18110236 inches
      The only way "they" will be able to track you with RFID is to PHYSICALLY FOLLOW YOU AROUND HOLDING A READER AN INCH FROM YOUR ASS!!!! You will LIKELY notice this behavior.


      Thank you for that calm, concise description. Next, please tell us how the sensors in the doorways of retail stores work.

    6. Re:Can anyone here actually pay attention? by ATMAvatar · · Score: 1

      Magic.

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    7. Re:Can anyone here actually pay attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why bother putting cameras on all the street corners and deal with face recognition software to track people, like England?"

      Where did this myth come from? There are a lot of CCTV systems in the UK but some people need to look up the CC bit before spouting this sort of bollocks. There is no central repository of information. There is no face recognition (Possibly excepting airports and the like, does any state not?). Most of the CCTV systems are private or run by local councils, the quality is usually crap as anyone who's seen crime-stoppers will know, and many of them are illegal.

      CCTV became popular as, for a short while, it seemed to reduce anti-social behaviour in town centres, etc; however, people rapidly realised that all it actually did was push anti-social types to other areas - which then got CCTV cameras.

    8. Re:Can anyone here actually pay attention? by Jott42 · · Score: 1

      Anti-theft sensors commonly used by shops do not use RF-ID tech. They only detect the precense of an active tag, and the tags do not have separate identities. Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_article_surveillance

    9. Re:Can anyone here actually pay attention? by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      The sensors at retail stores are not RFID in any way. They broadcast a signal and look for a resonance. Upon finding one there is a specific change that occurs with the RF field that can be detected. The objects in the merchandise are resonators, not active RFID chips. A resonator is like $0.01 in quantity, or even less. An RFID chip is more like $0.30 in very, very large quantities - more like $2.00 in smaller quantities.

      RFID in retail merchandise is going to be a long time in coming, if ever. Could it be done? Sure, but all the chips from China won't work and will need to be recalled two or three times. I just don't see them adding $2 to each pair of shoes, or anything else. WalMart is pushing for lower, lower, lower prices and aren't going to put up with $0.30 extra, much less $2.00. $2.00 per pallet, with 1000 items on the pallet? Sure. But not each one of them.

    10. Re:Can anyone here actually pay attention? by Cheesey · · Score: 1

      Where did this myth come from?

      Me, actually. But I never said that face recognition would work, or that it was in widespread use. I said that RFID would be needed to work around the problems with face recognition, in order to make city and nation-sized surveillance networks practical.

      There are a lot of CCTV systems in the UK but some people need to look up the CC bit before spouting this sort of bollocks. There is no central repository of information. There is no face recognition (Possibly excepting airports and the like, does any state not?).

      The point is that there could be a central repository of information. How hard would it be to send all CCTV recordings to a regional data centre via a network, then store all of them for months? Not difficult at all: this isn't the 80s. We already have the networking, storage and software technology. And in the UK at least, the laws exist to enable all of this - ever heard of ANPR or the National ID Register? Those are central repositories of information obtained by tracking people.

      Face recognition is much harder (it doesn't work well at all), and that's exactly why RFID is useful. Using RFID data, computer programs can automatically tag the video recordings with the people who appear in them. It doesn't take any leap of imagination to see that this is possible: right now, a good percentage of the regular contributors to this site could build the centralised CCTV network, the RFID scanners, the tagging software, and the search engine required to make use of the data.

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  13. Meggy Simpson... by drolli · · Score: 0

    Now i know how the Cashier scans Meggy without a bar code.

  14. Re:FUD and not so FUD by erexx23 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have read that passive tags can be read from 1 inch to 40 feet.
    And Active tags can be read up to a mile or more.

    The range all has to do with cost and need.
    With all tech reducing cost is only a matter of scale and time.

    As with all things its also only a matter of time before malevolent use any tool or technology occurs.

    So while I agree that Orwellian references to RFID technology are certainly overblown,
    Dismissing the need for caution and prudence with any technology can only lead to big problems in the long run.

    As you pointed out so well a soup can worm could shut the doors on a supermarket.
    I think that this is a simple example of what could be the tip of a greater iceberg once truely talented indiviuals
    start taking advantage of an embedded technology that is only bound to evolve.
    Once it become part of the system it will be hard to get rid of.

  15. Sounds pretty scary... by lewp · · Score: 1

    Fortunately I have a disguise.

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  16. Cell Phone = tracking device by megamerican · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you own a cell phone and often carry it with you everywhere you go, you can be tracked. You can even be tracked with your phone turned off. The government has been asking to track people even without sufficient probably cause(and probably doing it illegally since we know about it).
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201444.html?hpid=topnews

    I believe this was mandated in the 1996 Telecommunications Act for all cellular devices and has been implemented long since.

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    1. Re:Cell Phone = tracking device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anecdotally, my wife claims that she was in a hurry and obviously speeding when a police car passed her going the opposite direction. She claims that her cell phone boomed out the voice of the police officer ordering her to slow down. You have no idea how happy I am to welcome my wife to the tinfoil hat club.

    2. Re:Cell Phone = tracking device by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      if the device is powered off, they can't track you since it can't emit a signal. case closed thanks for playing.

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    3. Re:Cell Phone = tracking device by Zymergy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Incorrect. I respectfully beg to differ.
      If the wireless device is powered off, if its is battery is removed, and if it is placed *inside a closed Faraday Cage*, would I then agree it can't emit a signal.
      Besides, What makes you think that similar techniques to RFID passive pinging reply signals are not already used in current/future cellular devices with their much higher gain omnidirectional transceiver antennas?
      Even without the main battery, these devices contain efficient capacitors with stored current and many others have small lithium backup batteries.
      There are also other methods of producing a unique identifier reply signal from a timed transmitted volley of tower triangulation "pings".

      There was a very real reason for Gene Hackman's character "Brill" to place the cell phone (and other items) belonging to Will Smith's character "Robert Dean" inside a mylar potato chip bag in certain a scene from the movie "Enemy of The State". This was a impromptu very poor man's Faraday Cage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
      NOTE: "Enemy of The State" came out a decade ago in 1998, what does a decade's worth of technological advancements bring us on this topic?

    4. Re:Cell Phone = tracking device by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      Audio hallucinations are a sign of schizophrenia.

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    5. Re:Cell Phone = tracking device by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      That is why some of us pull out the battery when its not in use. At least they cant track me *between* calls. ( and since phone-booths are being phased out _ )

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    6. Re:Cell Phone = tracking device by The+-e**(i*pi) · · Score: 1

      Faraday Cages only stop incoming signals, things inside one can always broadcast.

    7. Re:Cell Phone = tracking device by Zymergy · · Score: 1

      A true Faraday Cage is essentially a grounded metal structure (whether solid metal sheets, a conductive metal coating/paint, or some type of metal 'mesh') which acts like a force-field for electromagnetic radiation. (What we commonly call radio signals) Here is another definition: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci942282,00.html

      As I understand Faraday Cages, devices inside them and outside of them technically can still transmit/receive signals individually, but, any electromagnetic radiation is effectively blocked by the Faraday Cage itself between what is inside and outside of it, thus electromagnetically isolating what is inside and outside of it.

      A modern microwave oven is the most common example of a Faraday Cage as it is essentially a "Microwave" transmitter inside a Faraday Cage with a internal space on which to place food. The Faraday Cage of a Microwave oven is 'good enough' for most people's safety, but some people have an implanted pacemaker and/or defibrillator with wiring connecting to electrodes directly into their heart tissues. Stray Microwaves 'leaking' from the cheaply manufactured/engineered Faraday Cages used in Microwave Ovens can induce currents in these electrodes and interfere with the implanted devices functions and possibly the heart itself. I would not want to be in the same room with a microwave oven that happened be be modified to operate with its door open.

      Another common example of Faraday Cages are the room-sized ones built around modern hospital MRI machines. I witnessed one of these being built in 2002 out of heavy sheets of 1/4" thick Steel. Every steel seam was precision welded and the welds were then x-ray photographed for perfection (similar to the mission-critical verification methods used on welds on nuclear reactors, etc.) The Welder told me that if even the smallest pin-hole was present in the MRI's 1/4" steel Faraday Cage's welds, stray electromagnetic radiation could effect MRI scans. And I do recall my Nokia cell phone was operational when I was in the MRI room... I could still play 'snake' only it just had absolutely "No Signal". (Note: There was a cell tower less than 200 yards across the street from the hospital)

  17. Re:FUD and not so FUD by hobbesmaster · · Score: 1

    What kind of passive tags can you read at 40 feet?

  18. It doesn't take a lot of imagination. by Torvaun · · Score: 1

    Hmm. How about the threat that there will be RFID tags that are designed to store data every time they're hit by a reader? That doesn't sound that bad, until you start seeing areas that are periodically flooded with reader signals. Now the tag is starting to build up a timestamped list of locations. Now someone brushes up against you on the sidewalk or in a subway, and your tag gives them all the information.

    Huh, looks like they don't have to follow you around with a reader an inch away from your ass. Imagine that.

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  19. Re:Meggy Simpson... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's Maggy you insensitive clod, and $847.63 was apparently the esimated average cost of raising a child in 1989 for one month.

  20. We'll be the ones installing it by HangingChad · · Score: 1

    ubiquitous surveillance are not news to this community

    Because a lot us are the ones installing those applications. Some suit with a genius idea will burst in and ask, "Hey, can you install that tracker....thing...what do we need to track our employees?" And they'll want the weekly report in two different formats and ad hoc custom reports, which they'll ask for at 4 pm on Friday afternoon and want you to send them on their Treo.

    The smart ones here will make millions selling counter-measures and running wild weasel missions for our clients.

    And still no one here will be able to use all that technology to get a date with a real woman.

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    1. Re:We'll be the ones installing it by harry666t · · Score: 1

      And still no one here will be able to use all that technology to get a date with a real woman.
      I recently had a very interesting discussion about details of various compilers' implementations, with a real woman. No shit.
    2. Re:We'll be the ones installing it by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Okay. Just what state was the woman in? Was she conscious before you started the conversation? What about after? Was her wheelchair broken and she could not get away? Was she deaf? Was she comatose?

      If she was conscious, capable of escape, capable of hearing, capable of understanding your language, and even remotely cute..... Does she have a sister and can get her phone number?

    3. Re:We'll be the ones installing it by harry666t · · Score: 1

      She was:

      * conscious
      * capable of escape
      * capable of hearing
      * capable of understanding my language
      * capable of normal movement without need for any wheelchairs
      * and yes, she was cute
      * generally, a normal girl

      and also she was:

      * not drunk
      * capable of not only understanding but also speaking my (our) language
      * interested in what I have to say
      * talking about interesting (and generally on topic) things as well
      * talking about less interesting (to me) things like databases
      * living in Poland, like me
      * dunno if she's got a sister, and I haven't seen her since then.

  21. Microwave by baomike · · Score: 1

    does this mean I have to microwave my cloths?

    1. Re:Microwave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 of the biggest misspelled words on slashdot are cloths/CLOTHES and payed/PAID.

      I payed for my cloths with a freakin' Mastercard buddy!

    2. Re:Microwave by WK2 · · Score: 1

      Done forget loose/lose.

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  22. Re:FUD and not so FUD by dattaway · · Score: 1

    A cheap passive tag bonded to a capacitor and an antenna could burst back a signal far away. Never underestimate cheap.

  23. Re:Meggy Simpson... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is Maggie, you insensitive clod!

  24. Do we even have a Constitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Micro-chipping people, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov't. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
    They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon.
    They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
    They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
    They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
    They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
    They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
    Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great country.
    Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov't and drops the title):
    America Deceived (book)

    1. Re:Do we even have a Constitution? by kylben · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what is RP's stance on quartering soldiers in private homes, huh? I haven't heard him say one word opposing it. What's he trying to hide? Vote "None of the Above" to protect the Third Amendment!!!

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  25. Erasers for Everyone by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Privacy advocates could do a lot of good just giving away RFID erasers for everyone. Not everything with RFID embedded will survive zapping in a microwave.

    Sponsor dry cleaners and laundromats to "debug" clothes with RFID found and erased, and give the customers the report.

    I could see a great public demo of an RFID reader out in a park or at a busy intersection with a big display superimposing the tag#s over video of the people on whom they're riding. With an eraser and some pamphlets. In fact, that setup could probably sell enough erasers to finance giving away lots more.

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    1. Re:Erasers for Everyone by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Actually that is a BUSINESS MODEL right there.

      Grabbing people's attention on the street with their personal details and offering to make them private again. Very compelling.

      Kind of like:

      "MISS I NOTICE YOU ARE CARRYING SEVERAL CONTAINERS OF VAGISIL, VALTREX, MONISTAT... YOUR BAKING BREAD AND SNIIIFFFF... ITS SOURDOUGH"

  26. Re:FUD and not so FUD by hobbesmaster · · Score: 1

    So, how are you going to integrate this package into a electronic product code for say, a T-shirt or on a soup can? As distance increases you start talking about needing to store larger amounts of energy before you can send it back, which means a higher capacitance. You'll quickly get to electrolytic can packages. The fear in the article is that you'll be tracked based on these items, which means that the rfid has to be small enough to be unobtrusively left in many items on your person. The type of RFIDs that are best for these uses are tiny, flexible, and thus are not capable of "replying" with much energy, hence the very limited ranges.

  27. Easily blocked by Dan+East · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RFID tags transmit incredibly weak signals. The only power available to them is what the tiny antenna can convert from RF transmitted by the reader. A simple battery-operated transmitter operating at the same output frequency(ies) as the tags can easily interfere with the RFID tags transmission making it impossible for the reader to decode its signal.

    Also, reading the tags is really easy (and cheap). I bought a reader for $50 that uses a simple serial interface. I connected it to a PIC microcontroller, wrote some relatively simple software for it, and output IrDA via an IR LED so I can display the data on a Pocket PC.

    Dan East

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  28. You can't track a cell-phone that is off by mosb1000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They can't track your phone when it's off. It can't be tracked if it's not emitting a radio signal. Maybe you think off means something other than off?

    1. Re:You can't track a cell-phone that is off by novakyu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They can't track your phone when it's off. It can't be tracked if it's not emitting a radio signal. Maybe you think off means something other than off? However, they can make it very difficult to turn our phone REALLY OFF. I assume you already know the story about roaming data charge on iPhone (which may or may not have been entirely the user's fault). Assuming we can put any stock in anecdote, I had a similar experience with my RAZR (yeah, behind the times, lame):

      I had an important meeting with my boss and a few colleagues, so I turned my RAZR off before the meeting. I usually have a bunch of alarms and reminders that go off every couple hours or so. Well, guess what---even though the phone was "off" (as in when you flip the phone on, it doesn't show anything and you can't make an outgoing call (I don't know about incoming call) without pushing the power button for a few seconds), it came back on by itself to blare off a reminder that I had set months ago.

      If a phone that's supposedly "off" can do that, why do you think they can't make it so that they can still track you while the phone is "off"? Monitoring battery usage isn't exactly an exact science, and not everyone has access to electronics that can tune to GHz signals that cell phones use (and good luck discriminating it against background noise). For now, we can remove the battery to be doubly sure, but what stops them from installing a "backup battery" that can't be removed short of de-soldering connections?
    2. Re:You can't track a cell-phone that is off by novakyu · · Score: 1

      I assume you already know the story about roaming data charge on iPhone (which may or may not have been entirely the user's fault). Oops. Wrong story. This is the one I was thinking of.
    3. Re:You can't track a cell-phone that is off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wrap your phone in aluminum foil if you want to make sure not to be tracked while it's "off". Cell phones use microwave frequencies which are easily blocked by metal. Since you've already turned it off, you're clearly not worried about receiving incoming calls.

    4. Re:You can't track a cell-phone that is off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is that why the CIA issued a mandate that cell phones were not allowed in secure areas unless you physically removed the battery. The mandate specifically stated that a phone that appeared to be powered off could still be eavesdropped on. Somehow I think they might have an inside scoop on using someones cell phone against them.

    5. Re:You can't track a cell-phone that is off by pembo13 · · Score: 2

      But remember it is a soft switch. There's nothing stopping it from just pretending to be off.

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    6. Re:You can't track a cell-phone that is off by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      If a phone that's supposedly "off" can do that, why do you think they can't make it so that they can still track you while the phone is "off"? Monitoring battery usage isn't exactly an exact science, and not everyone has access to electronics that can tune to GHz signals that cell phones use (and good luck discriminating it against background noise). For now, we can remove the battery to be doubly sure, but what stops them from installing a "backup battery" that can't be removed short of de-soldering connections?

      i thought everyone had a pair of poorly shielded speakers or a chinese-made alarm clock handy? for that matter the right spot on my keyboard and my computer goes nuts every time the phone does anything with it's antenna.

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    7. Re:You can't track a cell-phone that is off by novakyu · · Score: 1

      If you have experience with sensitive electronics, you would know that even tin foil (yes, tin is better than aluminum) hast are not good enough. You need to ground them. How? By making an electrical connection between the foil and a solid, large piece of metal that is connected to the electrical ground of the building.

      You can't make this connection wirelessly, and since you can't walk around with a piece of wire hanging from you, you might as well not get the phone in the first place.

      I suppose you could have a really thick box (so that "skin depth" is a tiny fraction of the thickness) to put the cell phone in, but once a cell phone is as large and as heavy as a notebook, would you want to carry it around?

    8. Re:You can't track a cell-phone that is off by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      They can't track your phone when it's off. It can't be tracked if it's not emitting a radio signal. Maybe you think off means something other than off? You can always remove the battery* to your phone.

      * If you're not using an iPhone. *G*
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    9. Re:You can't track a cell-phone that is off by EdIII · · Score: 1

      "Off" is not a black and white statement anymore. "ON" exists at many different stages and while I could give many examples of this, I will give you the only example of TRUE "OFF":

      Zero Power - All capacitors depleted. Batteries/Power Cables unplugged. Also, exhibits no electrical fields of any kind.

      Now THAT is off. Anything else is just on its way to being considered "ON".

      "Maybe you think off means something other than off?"

      Interesting you ask that question since "ON" no longer references power anymore, at least not the majority of the time. It is used more often to represent the proper function of a device, rather than it's power state. For instance, a motherboard may not be considered "ON" until the BIOS screen is present, yet the LED present on most motherboards is on while the power supply is provided with power.

      So what do you THINK "OFF" and "ON" is now?

      Unless you disconnect your battery from you cellphone and wait a few minutes.... yes they can track you. Additionally, it is not always "they" tracking you, but "you" signaling them where "you" are. There are many signals coming to and from a cellphone regardless of whether or not you are talking on it.

    10. Re:You can't track a cell-phone that is off by mgblst · · Score: 1

      If you are that paranoid, keep your phone switched off and next to a speaker. You will soon here whether it is sending signals or not.

  29. Sure, lets just help Skynet by CycoChuck · · Score: 1

    Lets all put tracking chips in us so its easier for Terminators to track us down and kill us after Judgment Day.

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    1. Re:Sure, lets just help Skynet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Lets all put tracking chips in us so its easier for > Terminators to track us down and kill us after Judgment Day. Yes, but that will only work if the chips are radiation and EMP resistant. Otherwise our Gentle Overlords will have to find us the hard way.

  30. the legality... by mnslinky · · Score: 1

    [A director at FTI Consulting] said:] 'It's going to be used in unintended ways by third parties -- not just the government, but private investigators, marketers, lawyers building a case against you.


    OK, so a lawyer is going to try and use it against me. Even after all the crap that gets through the legal system (ahem, OJ), I still have faith that the majority of that which is referenced above, would be construed as unlawfully obtained/entrapment/whatever. Especially at the highest court - there's smarter people than you or I there. Agendas perhaps, but the majority have common sense and understand the constitution better than you or I. Note I said majority. That's key.
  31. inch=mile by tomb'67 · · Score: 1

    China invented gunpowder=Hiroshima. Look right, look left, but mostly, look out! I have seen us get used to all kinds of evil. Where do they get those Blackwater kids?

    1. Re:inch=mile by lotrfan7007 · · Score: 1

      I suppose it would be useless to tell you that Hiroshima is in Japan.

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    2. Re:inch=mile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would also like to point out that, yes Hiroshima is in Japan and it was an atomic bomb invented in the UK, built in the US, that did the damage not a few Chinese fireworks...

      Facts my dear boy, facts.

      smokey

    3. Re:inch=mile by tomb'67 · · Score: 1

      Is it useless to say "you missed the point"?

    4. Re:inch=mile by tomb'67 · · Score: 1

      The point is escalation. We accept these chips with they're limits now, but what about later? Remember when computers were limited to 100 megahertz FSB? Temporary taxes? Do we really want our children "chipped"? And no, I'm not chicken little, but I have seen a lot of wool in my life. Oh yes, "pulled over our eyes" that is. We have lost touch with nature and ourselves. We no longer believe in the "end of the world", but???

  32. They're everywhere... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I found microchips in the bottom of a bag of Doritos!

    They are also commonly used as an anti-caking agent in powdered drinks.

    1. Re:They're everywhere... by Mipsalawishus · · Score: 1

      Dude, those are called crumbs :)

  33. RFID chips last 2 seconds in a Microwave Oven... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...let alone the fury of a 10 second Microwave Oven Massage (MOM).
    No RFID, nor like device will ever survive a MOM episode.
    Nothing to worry about at all, that is, until after you nuke them! ...and there is allways the 60 minute defrost setting... 8-D

  34. Abusive people already doing this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know a girl who recently had an operation to remove a chip put in her hand by an abusive ex partner. People are already doing this stuff, it's just hidden.

    Posted anon to protect her privacy.

  35. Faraday Suit by Nullav · · Score: 1

    I hear metalized mylar is the latest thing in fashion!

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  36. Exploit basic weaknesses of the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, it looks as if 'they' will be steaming ahead with the tagging of
    everything/everyone possible, under the usual commercial interest BS.
    If you're against this, the only option available is to legally 'mess'
    with the system as much as possible, using any weakness you can find.
    (That is, until they make it illegal to mess with the system in any way)

    So, what to do, A couple of examples to be going on with

    1. EMP: If you're worried about hidden RFID tags in your (non-electronic)
        possessions, invest in building an EMP device and then pulse the living
        hell out of the little darlings..it tends to make them fubar.

        Chapter 25 of "Electronic Gadgets for the Evil Genius" looks like a place
        to start, or Chapter 12 of "More Electronic Gadgets for the Evil Genius"
        Bear in mind, these books *are* glorified adverts for the Author's US company
        and supply business (e.g. many of the designs in the books feature components
        that only his company supplies), but they'll still point you in the right
        direction if you have any electronics skills..anyhoo, must get back to
        dismantling this microwave oven...

        I have to add, to those of us in Britain, even though the books pointed to
        above are legally available to purchase here (from amazon.co.uk and others)
        read the wording of Section 57 and 58 of the Terrorism Act, read up on how
        the police are using this act as a 'carte blanche', then wonder how long it'll
        take then to criminalise the deactivation/destruction of RFID tags themselves,
        or, more likely, the possession/construction of an EMP device.

        Seriously, just thinking about this, on a legal point

        who owns the RFID tags in your clothing/goods anyway?

        I point you to the example of 'your' store loyalty card, which probably has
        something like 'Remains the property of escoTay' on it's reverse.

        You purchase the item, but do you purchase/own the RFID tag it contains?.

        IANAL, but, like a loyalty card, it appears the RFID tag *may* remain the property
        of the store/whoever, you damage/tamper with the tag by EMP/Whatever - instant
        possible charge of criminal damage to someone else's property.

    2. Database Poisoning: Start a mass media campaign aimed at educating people
        about the dangers of these things, and, Importantly, how to identify and
        remove/disable them, set up 'clearing houses' for the gathering and distribution
        of these liberated tags.

        Once started, then like the 'loyalty card' efforts, set up a national/global
        movement to 'poison' all their databases e.g the old 'glue the RFID tags to
        cockroaches and release them' thing, swapping tags nationally/internationally
        etc.etc.etc..

    Think of the possibilities,

    checking through their combined RFID scanner logs, the security services software
    discovers a "potential terrorist" pattern of activity, and 'Flags that Tag'.

    The tag ID has been on at least 10 international flights to dubious destinations
    in the past three months, two massage parlours, visited several islamic bookshops,
    been in close contact with other 'known' suspicious RFID tags etc etc (you get the
    idea).
    They do a check in the global master database, it's a can of (insert brand of your
    choice) baked beans, ah, Identity theft as well, they can see the newspaper
    headlines "Islamic terrorist masquerades as can of baked beans in attempt to try and
    destroy our freedom loving way of life (you will believe this, or else..)", they then
    get the software to show the latest position of the tag (which lamp post reader it
    tripped last), and dispatch their goon squads..

    Oh what larks, eh.

  37. RFID can be read at long distances. by bl968 · · Score: 1

    Range is defined as the maximum distance for successful Tag-Reader communication. Read range difference will vary and can be very-short, short, or long.

    Very Short Range: approx. up to 60cm (2 ft)
    Short Range: approx. up to 5 m (16 ft)
    Long Range: approx. 100+ m (320+ ft)

    High-frequency (850 MHz to 950 MHz and 2.4 GHz to 2.5 GHz) systems, offer long read ranges (greater than 90 feet) and high reading speeds. High-frequency systems are used for railroad car tracking and automated toll collection.

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  38. Easy to overcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone mentioned earlier there will be a market for devices that will "brick" the RDIF
    chips in products pretty quickly. At the moment I know a few people who have US passports
    that put them in a microwaves for 5-10 seconds rendering the chip useless.

    As for having RFIDs around you and not being able to control the information they let out
    or the presence they bring to attention, a simple device that continually transmits random
    id's or ones recorded from your local walmart etc could be just the trick to create an
    overload of information processing for any system. These devices can be easily thwarted.
    No need to panic at this point in time. More important things to worry about such as the
    proposed trusted computing platform.

  39. A possible future solution. by tylersaurus · · Score: 1
    I read this earlier today and posted this on my blog. I guess my response is more about if theoretically these "big brother" chips could transmit more than 3cm. Technology seems to have a habit of making things harder, better, faster, stronger... so it is not entirely un-plausible that one day RFID chips will transmit at much longer ranges.

    I read an article in the Washington post today concerning the future of everything. While some might call this crazy talk... I am going to endorse my neurotic/paranoid side and state: Ubiquitous RFID tags(or some similar device) seems to be an almost inevitable and unavoidable future. And this snippet from the article sums things up nicely:

    Katherine Albrecht, founder of CASPIAN, an anti-RFID group, says, "Nobody cares about radio tags on crates and pallets. But if we don't keep RFID off of individual consumer items, our stores will one day turn into retail 'zoos' where the customer is always on exhibit."

    I agree with Katherine. I hope that Katherine and her friends will be able to stop this monster... sadly I think they will eventually be overpowered by corporate interest.
    This situations will not just be contained in store, it will be in every aspect of our lives. While part of me is excited at the idea of cool widgets and the techno magic that accompanies them I am 100% scared crap-less about the complete loss of privacy. So, I have taken it upon myself to offer the best possible solution for dealing with this unavoidable future.

    Definition: The ownership of chips. The ownership of a chip is determined by who is in personal possession of the chip. For instance if an item is sitting on a shelf in Wal-Mart, the owner is Wal-Mart. When a customer purchases said item all ownership of that item and the RFID chip is transferred to the customer who will now have complete control of the RFID chip.

    1.) All RFID chips must have the following access levels: PUBLIC, PRIVATE and PROTECTED. These access levels can be modified by the chips owner and only by the chips owner. Any attempt to modify a chip that you do not have have ownership of or express permission from the owner to modify should be considered illegal and punishable. I am assuming that it will be easy for people to set permissions on their RFID chip through the use of ubiquitous devices such as their Blackberry/iPhone/(next big thing).

    By having permission levels on RFID chips it would potentially eliminate many of the privacy issues while maintaining some of the useful functionality. At the same time if we ever reach a state of ubiquitous RFID tags imagine how easy airport security checks would be! Simply set all of your RFID tags to be public or protected(and give permission to be read by the security scanner) and you can walk right on through. If you have any sort of unsafe item on you it will show up... granted you might be able to sneak in something with out a tag or with a fake tag or a tag that has been tampered with. But that is a different problem, maybe there will be some sort of global authentication system/authority to make sure that the tag matches the item and is not providing false data about that item.

    2.) Chip technology must be maintained in the public sector and as open source. This issue so greatly concerns our privacy that the only way anyone should ever feel comfortable about this technology being used in the publics best interest is if it is open source and openly policed(monitored?) by the public. There will never be a company that I would trust to maintain a technology this intrusive and not attempt to use their power over it without devious intent.
    There is of course the possibility that companies might still manufacture proprietary impostor chips... but hopefully consumers will have the ability to easily sniff out impostor chips (global authentication of

    1. Re:A possible future solution. by dr.pipe · · Score: 1

      Totally! I expect that there will be proprietary as well as open source models. The task then will be to support open source stuff and boycott proprietary ones.

      Now, I don't expect that a quick check of arfids will ever be enough to get you through an airport check; after all, how likely is it that your bomb is storebought and properly arfid tagged? Not so much. But still there are tons of great uses these things could be put to, and in fact will be put to.

      This thread seems to be dominated by fear of their darker uses; everyone's like microwave your clothes! Sure, I guess you could microwave your clothes, but if the rule of law is not preventing the government from tracking you illegally then, sorry folks, microwaving your clothes sure ain't gonna protect you. We already have plenty of tech available for the most screwed up totalitarian police state you could ever want. Arfids are just one more. Zapping them out of your clothes in a society where we will probably have software capable of IDing you from video footage before too long is not going to accomplish much. What WILL protect privacy is a vigilant legal effort. Our laws are the only thing currently protecting us from universal phone taps, government cameras in every home, etc. It's not the technology we need to worry about; it's the legal structures around it.

  40. I call BS on Joel by Terri416 · · Score: 1

    You can buy a long range reader TODAY from http://www.iautomate.com/r500sp.html for $499.

    Range 450 FEET. Note the bit in the web page about tracking PEOPLE.

    Check it out. It can be buried in walls and is handy-dandy small. Size 3.3in x 1.6in x 0.7in; weight 1.6 oz. Power requirement 12VDC - 14.5VDC, ±30mA -- it'll run off batteries, no problem.

    Let's see .. an eeepc, one of these and you have a very portable long range sniffer hidden in a briefcase.

    Google is your friend .. unless you're astroturfing.

  41. Brainwashing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Notable in the comments on this story is what seems to be missing. Deep outrage.

    Previous generations of Americans - of all political leanings - would have been deeply offended by the idea that governments, or anyone else for that matter, had the right to snoop into a free citizen's private life unless a judge had determined probable cause, meaning it was likely the person was a criminal where the court would authorize an investigation likely to lead to that citizen losing his freedom or at least some of his property through a court trial and fine.

    However, in the last ten years or so, there has been a remarkable change, where what used to be mainstream offense at such an idea is now marginalized as the loony fringe. Television shows have been party to this brainwashing, as they feature law enforcement shows where the federal, state and even local police go into databases and almost instantly know a lot about ones personal life. We watched one the other night where they organized a search party of the locals, and ostensibly to protect the people, took names of each volunteer. Then the TV show has the police and the feds discussing the personal profiles of each volunteer... this one has debt problems, that one has sexual deviancy... none of them convicted criminals, but each forming a detailed profile of that citizen. The show ostensibly was placed in Washington State not East Germany before the wall was torn down.

    When I put computer systems into police departments in the 1980's, we were told that the software had to purge and absoletely delete all records on a person arrested if they were not charged, or found not guilty. Hopefully that is still the law. However, what we are seeing with stories like the Microsoft story is a slow process of softening up the public, of dimming public opinion so the ordinary guy in the street figures its normal for the police or corporates to snoop into the private lives of ordinary citizens. This is called a police state folks. Land of the free? Freedom means being left alone until you cross the boundary and break the law. Only in dictatorships, police states and authoritarian regimes do private citizens come under government surveilance.

    In such places, life dims.

    Reading these sorts of stories, life is dimming now, I fear.

    If you are offended by officials or corporations spying on private citizens who have done nothing wrong, you must speak up now, while they are still softening up the rest of us. If you don't think you have the power to do so, look at the open source movement.

    "The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men." Samuel Adams

    Read the last line again, folks. Then go back and re-read the Microsoft story.

    1. Re:Brainwashing by o_mighty_Halfjack · · Score: 1

      Amen, AC. If there was a way to mad you up, i would, man. Most people dont realize that shows like 24 are funded by the same man who owns fox news. Even if you TELL them, they dont understand. theres a real cognitive disconnect.

    2. Re:Brainwashing by dr.pipe · · Score: 1

      In my case, the lack of outrage is because my outrage is reserved for actions, not technologies. I support arfid tech and love the ideas I've seen for ways it can be used by consumers. I don't want it to be used to create a totalitarian state or something. But that's a separate issue from the technology. We already have plenty of technology for a real sucky surveillance state. What keeps that from happening, to the extent that anything does, is our laws. We sue corporations and even the government when they infringe on protected civil rights. That process doesn't prevent all misdeeds, but it does keep things running about how they should. Right now we could already have every telephone conversation tapped, every house under surveillance, but we don't because it would be illegal. Arfids are no different. The tech is neutral. It has as many beneficial uses as harmful ones. It is up to society to be vocal about how that tech can be used. There is no question that a consumer will be within his rights to destroy any arfid he wishes on a product he has purchased. And there is no question that we as a society will define what uses are and are not legal, over time, as the tech is used in various ways, as people sue for breaches of privacy and their suits are successful or not successful, as states make laws about what uses are allowed, as people challenge those laws and appeals eventually reach the Supreme Court. The tech is not evil! It is awesome! And yes, there are very real dangers to how it could be used, but that is what the legal process exists for!

  42. Positive aspects by Casandro · · Score: 1

    Like many other technologies there are also positive aspects.

    Think about it, RFIDs need to be made cheaply. Sooner or later we will have printable microcontrollers costing a cent each, including a radio interface and a solar panel.
    You could do extremely subversive things with those, like building a wireless meshed network which is virtually untraceable by governments and large cooperations. You would just need to glue your little computers to lamp-posts and they would relay.

  43. It's simple, really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Purchase things with cash. That way, they know that somebody bought that 50 pound bag of kibbles and bits, but not who. If they ask for id when paying cash, I think you can come up with a plausible bit of BS to get by.

  44. Gamma World by etherlad · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine was in charge of the latest release of Gamma World, for d20 Modern. One of the suppositions they made was that, before the Crash, technology had advanced to the point where even AI was so cheap that it was added to absolutely everything, for no other reason than that they could. Hammer? AI. Light switch? AI. No one even thought about it; it was just done. It was funny, but also kinda scary, because ours is a civilization where I can definitely see that happening.

    This reminds me of that, and may be the first step.

    --
    Soylens viridis homines es
  45. Robocop by conureman · · Score: 1

    "When I put computer systems into police departments in the 1980's, we were told that the software had to purge and absolutely delete all records on a person arrested if they were not charged, or found not guilty."
      Eau d'yeah, that reminds me of an occasion when I spent some time sitting in the back of a LAPD patrol car, (handcuffed for my protection). I did get to see a lifetime list of all my police contacts (spurious allegations, no convictions) on the in-car computer, including all my juvenile contacts. I asked the officer what it was doing there and he stated he had no records of any of that, then he claimed that it would be incorrect for any non-convictions to be listed, and that I had not seen any such list. Now I am a bit worried that some zealot is going to pull me over some day, see that list, and decide that my time of beating the charges and being released is over. I have personally witnessed that sort of thing before. And telling the court that a cop is lying doesn't seem to gain much traction.

    --
    The cost of that cleanup, of course, will be borne by taxpayers, not industry.
  46. Sometimes Paranoia is just good thinking by camperdave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do you think that the logs from your security system won't be able to tell someone exactly which door you triggered at exactly which date and time? Your movements are being tracked. It's just that right now, nobody cares.

    While Christmas shopping with my mom, we purchased our items and left the store. As we were leaving the security system announced that apparently someone had failed to remove the inventory control tag from an item. We looked around to see who was making off with store goods, but just saw normal holiday store traffic. We made our way through the mall and entered another store. We heard that store's security system asking a customer to return to the cashier to have the inventory control tag removed. I remarked that it must be a busy day for shoplifters. We made our way through the store to a side exit near our parking spot. Again the security system tripped. This time, we were the only ones using the entrance, so it was obvious that one of our inventory control tags was the one causing the problem. My point, we were tracked by different stores. Our progress through the mall could have been monitored. We definitely had our photographs taken by the store security cameras. Were it not for the security system announcement giving us the opportunity to have the tag removed, we could have been tracked without our knowledge.

    Now there are plenty of places where controlled access points exist: stores, subway stations, airports, sports arenas. If sensors were placed in these places, movements could be tracked from place to place, and from city to city. If they put RFID sensors in cell phones, instead of the radiation sensors they were talking about in another story, someone could track you through crowded streets. Your own phone could give you away.

    Right now there are three things protecting us. First and biggest, nobody cares. Second, the systems are not integrated (although my trip through the mall shows that many stores already use the same system). Third, right now we can ditch the RFIDs. They're attached to the shoebox, not the shoes; to the price tag, not the item. Once the RFIDs are embedded in the item, we lose that capacity.

    Sure, right now it's just a barcode. But it would not take much to change that barcode to a Universally Unique IDentifier, readable from multiple, integrated systems.

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    When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
    1. Re:Sometimes Paranoia is just good thinking by MttJocy · · Score: 1

      Sure, and they can't possibly track you via your mobile phone already, it's not like the mobile phone broadcasts anything to identify itself like an IMEI number or GSM code at any point during it's life (except when it has to sign on to a network or update it's registration on the network on request) seams to me that could theoretically be broken to fool the phone into identifying to the network while in fact being activated by a third party transmitter that wanted to capture that information. Sure it would not identify the individual by name or anything without access to more information, but to track the movements of a person based on those numbers would be possible surely? That is of course if anyone cared to do so.

    2. Re:Sometimes Paranoia is just good thinking by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Sure, right now it's just a barcode. But it would not take much to change that barcode to a Universally Unique IDentifier, readable from multiple, integrated systems.

      So... what? Who cares? What impact does that have in my life?

      This is the problem with paranoid conspiracy theories. They go on and on about what "can" be done, and how information "can" be linked together, but they never talk about the "so what?" I used to have a pot-head buddy who loved to tell me about the secret caches the Illuminadi would keep buried in specially-marked cemeteries. Which was great, until I asked him: "so what?" Even if it was true, what does that actually mean for us? He never had an answer.

    3. Re:Sometimes Paranoia is just good thinking by mikiN · · Score: 1

      GSM signal tracking is not very accurate (to within 100 feet I believe). RFID tracking, because of its short range, is much better at 'zooming in' on a target, particularly in areas that have poor GSM coverage.

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      The Hacker's Guide To The Kernel: Don't panic()!
    4. Re:Sometimes Paranoia is just good thinking by mikiN · · Score: 1

      "first they came for the..."
      Oh well, nevermind.
      Huh? There's no'one left to stand up for me? Damn...

      --
      The Hacker's Guide To The Kernel: Don't panic()!
    5. Re:Sometimes Paranoia is just good thinking by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know they can track the phone. Obviously, that only helps track the people who own one. However, if they put RFID sensors in phones then they can track the RFIDs of anyone who happens to wander near to a cell phone. The cellular phone network becomes a nation wide RFID detector net. It's just like the radiation sensors they're embedding into cell phones to track terrorists.

      That is, if anyone cared.

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      When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
  47. Credit by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I still pay cash on most items. Its really no ones business what brand of bread i *personally* choose. My 'discount' card is linked to a long address off a short peer.

    Sure, its not much, but its something.

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  48. ReFUD by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

    "Programmable" in this case means it can be programmed with a given response. Not that it is a computer executing code.

    Like ROM is programmable, or a CD, or a sheet of paper. It contains code, but does not execute code.

    While it's certainly possible to put a little computer in an RFID application, the added cost would price them out of the inventory control business. Ingredients: water, tomato, 8051....

  49. Just give up. by Babu+'God'+Hoover · · Score: 1

    It won't be that long before genetically engineered food programs the little bugs in your gut to produce tiny RFID devices coded to your DNA and excreted in your....err excretions. All the raw materials are there. This will be used to maintain ownership records on marketable products that YOU crap after consuming industry subsidized food.

  50. Reality check by Jott42 · · Score: 1

    Yes, there are RF-ID tags that can be read at long distances. One example is the cited one with a range of 450 feet. That requires a tag, http://www.iautomate.com/t800.html, which is 85x70x9 mm big and requires a new battery every 5 years. Hardly something you easily conceal in a new sweather och a pair of shoes.

    There exists two types of RF-ID tags: passive and active. Passive are small and cheap, and have very short read ranges (inches). Active a large and bulky, and requires batteries. But these can achieve ranges in the hundreds of feet.

    1. Re:Reality check by mikiN · · Score: 1

      Approaching SHOE Event Horizon...Tagged!

      How many ROADS must a man walk down...? Not long from now, you can find out, with Google Maps.

      --
      The Hacker's Guide To The Kernel: Don't panic()!
  51. Read distance much greater than understood. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    The short distances discussed in this and other articles, as I understand things, are reserved for the devices which send out energy to charge RFID chips, thus giving them the ability to transmit their information. Reading this subsequent RFID signal would then logically be limited in distance and resolution only by the sensitivity of the reader. We have had for some time now satellites that we know about which can from orbit pick up small and discrete packages of information, such as license plate numbers and people's faces. And that's just using optics.

    I would be very, very surprised if one could not make a satellites capable of tracking RFID tags. --And I would be only somewhat less surprised to learn that there were not such detectors already commissioned and in orbit.

    These kinds of patterns, including all types of social control and plans for the human population, have progressed much, much further along than most realize. The public is scurrying about all akimbo worrying about elections, when to actually undo the web of control and general darkness would require a fight of monumental proportions against entrenched and corrupt forces of industry and military powers, staffed by countless thousands of people who not only like the power and money proffered by the current system, but who fear with Gothic instinct any movements which they feel would bring them even one step closer to having that perceived security removed from their lives. People would and do kill to maintain a distance from the things they fear most; Poverty and powerlessness in a world filled with sharks. And as erroneous as this fear is, they will kill you rather than face it. This is why I don't think anybody really has the wherewithal to win against the forces which Bush and those like him represent. --Most of the manipulation which keeps the slaves enslaved is subtle and unseen, but if people step up and rock the boat beyond a certain threshold, then the beast will not refrain from working in the open. Kennedy and MLK were examples of this, and one can see from evidence all around us that the dark forces have only become more powerfully entrenched since the Sixties.

    I don't mean to destroy morale among people, but it is important to recognize the reality of the situation before one can hope to devise a means to navigate it successfully.


    -FL

    1. Re:Read distance much greater than understood. by EdIII · · Score: 1

      "I don't mean to destroy morale among people, but it is important to recognize the reality of the situation before one can hope to devise a means to navigate it successfully"


      What morale? Denial is very powerful and very effective. Stress as an indicator of Morale, both conscious and unconscious is rising faster and faster since we can deny things only to a certain extent. However, Morale can be dispensed at will by the Pharma companies.

      Recognize? What exactly? You give the common person far to much credit. Watch Idiocracy and tell me that is not a contemporary review of our society now.

      Devise a means to navigate it successfully. OMG. LOL. ROFL. I am laughing so hard right now I am crying. Inside I really am crying. "Navigate" implies there is a place to go from A to B and an obstacle in your path. "Successfully" also implies you accomplished an objective.

      There is no place to go, and you cannot navigate when the obstacle is omnipresent. Success is a pipe dream.

      There is only one inevitable conclusion in the future. You must fight for it. Those of us of that have awoken from the "dream" and taken a long look around us recoil in the Orwellian/Lovecraft horror that is the landscape of our world, know this deep down.

      A frog will stay in a pot of water, even after it starts to boil. I am still not sure if I am grateful to be different from the frog, or resentful that I am not the frog. Oh how I wish I took the Blue Pill.

      While I wrestle with that thought, I prepare myself for the future. Always thinking, always writing, learning valuable skill sets that we allow me to survive in the future and possibly help others to survive too.

      I am sure others are laughing derisively at my behavior and discard it, while moving on to the popular distractions of the hour. I would like to remind them that history SHOWS us how quickly things can go from better to worse, from living to death, from freedom to slavery in a matter of moments. It can move at Pompeian speed and be over quickly, or take a few years of fear till you have numbers tattooed on your arms watching your loved ones being escorted into a strange building surrounded by men in gas masks.

      The most insidious master, the most effective jailer... is the one you come to love and call friend, who will bring your promises of security and prosperity while dulling your wits and sapping your strength.
    2. Re:Read distance much greater than understood. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
      Devise a means to navigate it successfully. OMG. LOL. ROFL. I am laughing so hard right now I am crying. Inside I really am crying. "Navigate" implies there is a place to go from A to B and an obstacle in your path. "Successfully" also implies you accomplished an objective.

      The objective is to experience the experience of experiencing. If you live in awareness, then you are doing your job, and may do so with a sense of purpose and joy. That's Red Pill thinking, at any rate. Living in denial makes the road. . , longer.

      When the soul is indestructible except through the long process of undoing oneself by seeking through successive lives to return to primal matter, then one can take heart in knowing that this is just another valuable experience along the way. --And with untainted knowledge and the guts to look at it straight on, you can avoid some of the more unpleasant experiences with somewhat more skill. That's what I meant. It's all a lesson; nothing to fear.

      Also. . , and this is a big one, so long as one lives in true accordance with the inner guide; if you can find positive passion in your efforts on this Earth even while living in as full an awareness of reality as possible, then the effects you have upon those around you and the eventual outcome of our current path through history is a rather large factor which should not be underestimated. Butterfly wings, and all that. In spite of everything, I remain optimistic. --And I say this while having a reasonably advanced idea of what we're up against.


      -FL

    3. Re:Read distance much greater than understood. by EdIII · · Score: 1

      You seem to be dropping some serious philosophical concepts on me here. I understand what you are saying. I digg it. I live it.

      I do live in awareness, and I do have a GREAT sense of purpose and joy. I also have a great sense of sadness at what I am aware of, given our true potential as the beings of light we all are. It is only a few of us, that have successfully enslaved the rest of us in the darkness.

      You also talk about our past lives and our future ones. My statement only applies to THIS one. The one in which we are writing these posts. Our journey is endless, all beings travel it. This is merely a small moment in an endless series of moments. I take comfort in that. I believe that this "life" is occurring for a reason, and that I am supposed to learn something from it. Karma and all that. This is why I do not live in fear. Ultimately what is there to fear?

      I admire that you remain optimistic. I am not. My sense of optimism has long been replaced by a sense of.... cool resolve. I honestly believe there are no waters left to navigate. That we have found ourselves in the endgame, and that conflict is inevitable.

      Depending on your own journey, and your own beliefs, you have to decide at which level you are willing to defend this awareness, and to what extent you will give up your freedoms.

      Part of me will relinquish this life, the possibility of more experiences, my temporary identity, before I harm another living being. I feel that way, deep down. I really do. I have such awe and admiration for monks that can perform that final act. Forgiveness, love, and understanding even for the brother or sister that is killing you.

      The other part of me is going to remember my training and want to start putting bullets through stormtroopers from rooftops.

      I hope I did not drag your morale down, but your post was so poignant to me, and my feelings about it so strong. Rarely do I write about this online, but I have responded to you. May peace find you always, brother.

  52. Mattress Tags by kylben · · Score: 1

    And you thought those "Do not remove under penalty of law" tags on your mattress were a joke? In my country, your mattress tags you.

    --
    Insightful and funny are really the same thing, except one has a punch line.
  53. In... Everything? by Sleeping+Kirby · · Score: 1

    Even my tin foil hat?

    --
    please... let me sleep... a little more... yay, no longer annonmyous coward.
    1. Re:In... Everything? by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1

      What do you think tin foil is made of?

  54. No, we'd never misuse this for our own ends. by rc5-ray · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My favorite quote from the article is:

    "Heady forecasts like these energize chip proponents, who insist that RFID will result in enormous savings for businesses. Each year, retailers lose $57 billion from administrative failures, supplier fraud and employee theft, according to a recent survey of 820 retailers by Checkpoint Systems, an RFID manufacturer that specializes in store security devices."

    So, a company who makes RFID chips does a study showing the businesses lose $57 Billion every year? That sounds as reliable as some of the Business Software Alliance statements on losses from piracy. To call this self-serving would be an understatement.

  55. Microwave your clothes! by quixote9 · · Score: 1

    That's all. You know what to do.

  56. Re:FUD and not so FUD by mikiN · · Score: 1

    Short answer: Shoplifting prevention devices.

    Longer answer: Don't assume that in the future the salesperson 'deactivating' your tags actually does so. (S)he will merely reprogram the tag from 'set off the burglary alarm' mode to 'tracking' mode, so competitors' shops, turnstiles, stairwells, gates etc. can track you whenever you wear the item.

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    The Hacker's Guide To The Kernel: Don't panic()!
  57. Re:FUD and not so FUD by mikiN · · Score: 1

    Addition:
    (1) I don't mean those bulky plastic 'cases' hanging from the sleeves of shirts in the '90s, those are ancient history.
    (2) You could be tracked anywhere you have to pass through a narrow space. Two 'coupled' antennas facing each other, where you have to pass between them, can theoretically double the distance at which the tag can be read.

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    The Hacker's Guide To The Kernel: Don't panic()!
  58. Dark Matter by EdIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What I find so very interesting, and always have, is the "lack" of information being provided by these surveillance systems.

    What is more concerning in a secured environment? The 999 objects that you can track visually and with RFID in a given area, or the ONE object you cannot track.

    This is what has concerned me from the beginning. If all the sheeples around me are not fighting back and forcefully taking their privacy back, then I will certainly show up like a big red target on the security software that is running.

    These software/hardware packages are becoming amazingly sophisticated to the point they analyze behavior of people and objects in the room. AI in the future is not some geeky pie-in-the-sky concept here. Genetic Algorithms, or step evolutionary algorithms are already here and incredibly impressive. Forget fuzzy logic and heuristics, these programs embody all of those methods and constantly improve.

    The 100th gen of a Backgammon AI could barely beat a mentally challenged kid moving the pieces randomly. The Billionth Gen regularly defeated world champions. It's been awhile since we heard about the Chess AI machines, but the last I heard it was barely a draw.

    So what happens in the future when you represent a big black hole of information walking around? What does that look like on a security interface?

    Some rather sophisticated people talk about defeating/hacking/programming/deactivating RFID units around them, some in an automated fashion. Heh Heh.

    So what if there was a literal application of that term, Black Hole? Can you imagine what the picture would like if there was a void in the security environment, that was interacting with other objects, AND deactivating/modifying other RFID like devices?

    Different way to think about it, since maybe RFID is more of a threat to those that would attack it, then accept it.

  59. Home EMP machine, anyone? by rnturn · · Score: 1

    Burn those little RFID devices to a crisp, I say. Sure, I can't fit my car in the budget model (not that it would probably even run after getting a nice jolt) but I can see putting my clothes in one as soon as they come from the store. That tales care of the "everything I wear" part of the surveillance. Now how do we take care of the remainder?

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    CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
  60. Metal wallets, Faraday underwear, RFID. by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

    You go to radio shack and buy a metal foil wallet. It has an outside pocket of nylon for rfid cards you don't care about. Or it has a pocket on the inside so you just open the wallet and wave it at the reader.

    Or if you are really ticked, you make a transmitter that listens for RFID triggering transmissions, and responds with a blast that knocks the RFID response detector off line. (wear your metal underwear.)

    If you used multiple antennas you could in principle get a bearing on the source, and useing phased array transmission blast just the source. How practical would it be to build this into a brief case?
    Put it in the back of a pickup with a fiberglass canopy. Knock out every RFID detector along your route.
    (Ok, ok, So you need a welding generator as a power supply. So shoot me.)

    --
    Third Career: Tree Farmer Second Career: Computer Geek First Career: Teacher, Outdoor Instructor, Photographer.
  61. Cameleon... by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

    If you can make reprogramable rfids ...

    You're walking down the street, wearing a bunch of reprogramable rfids. The lamppost pings you and the people around you. Your receiver picks up responses at random. Reprograms your chips to imitate those around you. For the distance to the next lamp post, you become a mishmash of the people around you at the last post. Next post it happens again.

    Of course now you can be tracked by the duplicated signals. You are a disturbance in the order.

    Or you have a normal identity, and a false one. Get aboard a crowded bus. As you step off the bus, you switch to your false set of rfids.

    Or you seek out other people who are wearing by chance reprogramable rfids. And you duplicate your ID onto them, so the RFID tracking system has 30 copies of you running around, and none of them are you. Do this a lot when you have nothing to hide, so that you are tagged as a shit disturber, but harmless in the system.

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    Third Career: Tree Farmer Second Career: Computer Geek First Career: Teacher, Outdoor Instructor, Photographer.
  62. Privacy is a non-issue if you track yourself by ktorn · · Score: 1

    Privacy would not be a problem if we consumers were allowed to track ourselves and had complete ownership of our private data.

    It would then be great if you could harness your own profile data to personalise every bit of digital content you get in contact with, from web browsing/searching, to mobile usage, to the adverts you see on TV and out in the street.

    Corporations invest so much money into CRM systems, yet you only get the benefit of 'personalisation' from each company, whereas if you had your own data silo you could interface with everyone out there.

    I'm glad this vision is shared by others. Doc Searls already coined the term VRM (Vendor Relationship Management) and started a community around ProjectVRM.

    I still think the biggest challenge is to convince the corporations out there that they can trust such a paradigm-shifting concept, and as a result stop trying to invade our privacy.