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Vista SP1 Release May Be Near
Tokonamu sends a note about the release to a private testing group of a new build of Windows Vista SP1, possibly presaging the imminent release of the long-awaited service pack. Speculation about a Feb. 15 release date has been fueled by a report out of Taiwan, according to the article. Microsoft also issued a new build of Windows XP SP3 this week, but it's getting next to no publicity out of Redmond, what with XP being the main competition for Vista and all.
At the moment installing SP1 RC's requires three seperate trips to Windows Update, and three reboots.
My guess is MS will push out the pre-requisite updates for SP1 this coming February Patch Tuesday, and SP1 a week or two later.
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I heard a rumor that Vista SP1, in a spectacularly clever and devious bid to fix all Vista issues, silently installs XP in the background.
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I always wonder why Microsoft gets so much publicity for point version upgrades. I mean, the other day I got an update from Ubuntu. So what?
If Microsoft have waited this long for a full update, then something is seriously screwed in Redmond. Something is even more screwed with the rest of us for finding the service pack upgrade so fascinating.
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There was a story about the new linux kernel, and that was a point upgrade.
You also get patches/upgrades from MS outside service packs.
So this is in a way like a Linux distro that announces a new point release, which ARE reported on slashdot.
Hate vista or love it. Use it or leave it, but it is a news worthy item when it receives an upgrade. For better or worse this is going to affect a lot of people who read this site.
Oh and OSX has had nothing but point upgrades since it release back in the dark ages, each one of those point releases has been discussed to death.
I don't use vista yet, but am a PC gamer so sooner or later I might have to take the plunge, news on Vista therefor intrests me, if this SP1 is really good, it might hasten the move to Vista and make game companies more inclined to make directx10 only games. Or not, but I want to know when I should start to look into pirating Vista (Pay for MS software? What an odd concept.)
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For the first several months of Vista, it seemed there were a lot of people justifying its poor uptake by suggesting most IT people would wait until SP1 before adoption. After all, everybody knows it takes a bit of time to work out the kinks in a new OS. I'm pretty sceptical, but it'll be interesting to see if the apologists were right.
Speculations about SP3 breaking XP starts in 3... 2... 1...
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I was surprised when Microsoft announced that Windows 7 (successor to Vista) will probably be out in about 16 months. Seems like they're stealing their own whimpery thunder re Vista. The release of SP1 for Vista is surely a relief for those who already adopted it, but what about the masses who were waiting for SP1 --- the proverbial "We'll wait for the bugs to be worked out" crowd?
All those folks (including my own org) are now looking at VistaSP1 vs W7 and wondering about the wisdom of adopting Vista at all. If W7 comes out mid-next year, and there's a W7SP1 about a year later... That means right now that Vista offers barely more than a two-year period of stable operation for an entire platform change. With XP still chugging along merrily (with better stability and lower HW expense/requirements) I really don't see the value for any but the smallest organization.
I think not...(*poof*)
So is XP SP3 officially out? If so, where is it?
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Specifically the issue that may be causes by the KB938979 update. This is the one where Vista will continuously spin-down then spin-down your drives causing premature wear and probably failure. It has been an issue for a really long time and Microsoft refuses to admit there is a problem. Meanwhile people's drives are getting destroyed.
What a piece of crap. Vista really is the modern equivalent of Windows ME.
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Vista SP1 is about to be released on the heels of the just released Linux kernel 2.6.24. Coincidence? I think not.
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I am running RC1 of SP1 and it has made significant improvements on my x64 laptop. One of the major fixes is the removal of occurances when Vista looks for a domain controller to update user information on a side panel of the window. That fix alone has increased the performance and useability of Vista.
For those of you looking to install RC1 be warned it takes about 2 hours to install and you must remove it prior to installing SP1.
Slashdot, not at least through posting Twitter-blogs, has informed us thoroughly how deep shit MS is in. Nobody wants their products anymore, everybody and their parents (literally) are switching to Mac or Linux (we can't really agree on which, but that doesn't matter). Vista is such a big P.O.S. and sales failure that we suspect it's not really running on any PC at all, people claiming otherwise being astroturfers. And MS are obviously well down the road to bankruptcy.
But surfing outside our informed group here, websites talk about recent fantastic record results and outlooks for Microsoft, among other things fueled by strong Windows growth. People talk about faster adoption rate and less problems with Vista than XP, over 100 million users, MS being rated as one of the most respected companies, and other shit like that.
Where are these people living, and where do they get there information from. Aren't they reading Slashdot??
The only interesting thing about Borg's products is when they will be phased out of existence.
Last time Slashdot looked, there was no performance improvement from SP1. If you want features, use gnu/linux.
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One thing I was surprised with my Mac is how EVERY UPDATE requires me to boot. Hell installing the latest update to iTunes has me reboot. Windows updates were always expected to cause reboots. I guess I was spoiled by other OSes that didn't require it (the name of a particulary older one escapes me but it was famous for running doom + movies all at one time on hardware windows wouldn't)
Is so much embedded down low that they can't unload it temporarily?
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the next Ubuntu release!
They can also call it Hasta La Vista to avoid lawsuits.
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Isn't it the same with every Windows release... I mean, not being happy with the current version and waiting for the next golden-release-that-will-fix-everything?
If the competition for Vista is XP, there would be some incentive for microsoft to break parts of XP with service pack 3. Perhaps we should approach SP3 with caution.
The XP SP3 teaches us a lesson: every company will rather damage its own customers rather than its own sales. XP SP3 will be out, but Microsoft won't tell about it because that could hurt Vista sales. As a result, some users could be damaged by the unpatched bugs or spend more time/money because they don't know about the existence of a full service pack.
Don't take it as anti-MS bashing: while I hate Microsoft as the next guy, this behavior should be expected by every company out there. IBM, Sun, Google, Apple, etc. would do exactly the same and the reason isn't that all companies are evil, but they simply don't obey the same principles most humans do.
The morals here is: don't expect a company to be committed to you; whatever bullshit they tell, your money is their food and they will do everything to get it.
Reports are already coming in, but it's hard to separate them from the usual Windoze weirdness. The murder of XP is well underway.
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Microsoft is NOT planning to release Windows 7 in 2009 ! Contrary to all that is being said on the net, it clearly looks like Microsoft is NOT planning to release Windows 7 in 2009. Q. What is the expected timeline for the availability of Windows 7? A. We are currently in the planning stages for Windows 7 and expect it will take approximately 3 more years to develop. The specific release date will be determined once the company meets its quality bar for release. All this smoke of Windows 7, being released next year, may have led to confusion in the minds of the Windows Vista user. http://www.winvistaclub.com/i7.html
Will Vista SP1 fix the annoying stuff I've seen in Vista? Like 1. Going into 20 minute non-stop indexing sprees, which slows down disk access a lot. 2. Constantly being reminded how I don't have Ultimate Edition 3. A bug in the only good feature I've seen in Vista: the ability to resize partitions. I used this feature to resize the default partition on my new computer to install Linux and Windows Server 2008 betas, but after creating 4 or 5 partitions, this utility fails to work anymore, which was VERY annoying trying to get XP installed. There's a lot more stuff I have seen as annoying or problematic in Vista, but those are the big ones.
So, will this be a "real" service pack, or is it aimed at all the companies that said they wouldn't switch to Vista until SP1 came out?
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
with "pirate" and "upgrade" in the name will never ever screw with your system...
The vast majority of of people walk in to Staples or Best Buy and buy a computer. That computer includes Vista. They use it.
They don't "upgrade" to Vista, they don't decide to buy a Mac, they sure don't try out Ubuntu, they use Vista because that's what came on their new laptop.
Microsoft doesn't need exponential sales of Vista, they don't need the whole world to change overnight. All that they need is to wait as millions of people eventually upgrade their systems. As long as Dell or Best Buy will sell them a laptop for $599 (compared to Apple, whose offerings start at about $1000) that's what people will buy, and Microsoft can watch the adoption continue apace. Widespread use of Vista is pretty much inevitable.
My PC is still running Windows 2000. Its fine, mostly, except for some apps that actually insist on XP. Still, I have conceded that at some point I will upgrade and have "acquired" a copy of XP from one of the usual sources. I don't need it today, but acknowledge that one day soon I'll take a day or two off and upgrade.
In fact my first experience with Vista was in the last month, helping a girlfriend set up her new HP laptop. Based on the problems that we ran into I'd be wary of encouraging people to buy Vista yet, but I also accepted that if she was buying a system that's what she would get so I was prepared for a steep learning curve. If anything Vista reminds me a lot of OS X - very pretty but very frustrating if you don't want to do exactly what Redmond or Cupertino want you to do.
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iTunes by itself does not and has never required a reboot. What requires reboots is Quicktime which is always listed as a separate install. iTunes is an application only and has never by itself required rebooting.
Nobody is waiting 16 months for a software upgrade. Vista won't support any security updates unless you upgrade. It will be the platform for all future updates, and Windows Update will nag you silly until you install it. If you think anyone is considering waiting for 16 months, you're mistaken.
Also, 16 months is a long time in a fast-changing computer industry. Nobody is putting off releasing software, migrating systems, or so on until Windows 7 comes around. While they do that, their whole business will suffer.
3-5 months, maybe. 16 months- you're out of your mind.
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Surely from the you-can't-polish-a-turd department.
I don't know why you bother with Windows Vista SP1. Windows XP didn't work fairly well until SP2. Why not let the early adopters have the grief?
... the 100+ updates that Microsoft has shipped since SP2 can be a nightmare to deploy.
Sure, that's only my opinion, but I'm not the only one who thinks that way. For example, see Why all Vista users should upgrade to Windows XP.
A good indication of how Microsoft treats its customers is the fact that it has been more than 3 years since SP2 was released on 8/10/2004. Here is a quote from Paul Thurrott, who is over-the-top pro-Microsoft, and who often apologizes for Microsoft's abusiveness in a way that tries to make abusive behavior sound less destructive:
For those who use Linux, I will explain: Windows often becomes infected with malware. It sometimes becomes unstable on its own, too; Microsoft releases sloppy, unfinished software. So, it is often necessary to re-load Windows XP SP2. Once you have done that, it is at present necessary to re-load perhaps 100 Megabytes of bug fixes that have been released since SP2. That's why delaying Service Pack 3 for Windows XP has been so damaging to customers; customers have paid millions of dollars extra because of the tedious time-consuming task of loading the 100+ updates since SP2, one at a time.
Microsoft shut down Autopatcher, which was created by volunteers. Autopatcher was a method of making installing the patches semi-automatic. I think that shows the true situation: Volunteers have to do needed work. Microsoft, which could have delivered updates using the same method, avoided making it easier and cheaper to use Windows XP.
Why buy a new product from someone who has frequently abused you in the past?
This is the overall issue, in my opinion: Microsoft somehow established, during the DOS days, that it could charge the full product price for what are actually quite minor updates. (Many people are still using Windows 2000.) So the company makes a huge amount of money each time it brings out what is actually a new version of Windows 2000 with a new name. But things have changed. Users tend to be more technically knowledgeable now. They see no reason to change if what they have now is adequate, if somewhat annoying and expensive to maintain.
Windows 98 was an abuser's dream: It had an unstable file system, insuring that everyone would want to upgrade. Abusive company managers try to delay delivering a stable system, since most people don't want anything more from an operating system than stability.
It took Microsoft 3 years to make Windows XP stable and usable with less pain -- there were 3 years from the first release of XP until SP2 was released. Three years of pain, and since then only three years of relative stability? Is that acceptable, 50% pain? Why start the pain again, with Vista?
Microsoft needs the computer builders to advertise its new update of Windows 2000, called Windows Vista. Computer builders want to sell new computers. That's why Vista uses more resources. Vista is partly an attempt to make the present hardware obsolete.
However, people are beginning to understand better, and they are more difficult to manipulate now.
It seems sensible to me to wait to use Windows Vista until Vista SP2 or SP3 is released, and then a few months after that, to learn if the service pack works well.
Quote from Slashdot's story: "Microsoft also issued a new build of Windows XP SP3 this week, but it's getting next to no publicity out of Redmond..." Maybe so, but I can't find it. I found only an 12/10/2007 SP3, a release candidate, which is supposed to be an advanced beta version.
I already have XP. Isn't that the Vista update?
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There's another release which somehow "improves the efficiency of Vista" implying that it will somehow work better.
I installed it and what I found was when I used the patch, even the slightest elevation in CPU usage resulted in the fans coming on full.
I checked the CPU temperature with the provided Intel tools, and found that just at Idle, the temperature went up a full 10 degrees F from before the patch. So my computer ran hotter and noisier.
Needless to say, I removed that "fix" ASAP.
Yes, I'm well aware of the issue you mention about the drives spinning up and down. And yes, Microsoft pretends like it doesn't exist. None of the fixes helps, and for me, it will do it randomly. A power-cycle usually fixes it.
The killer is that anything that changes the state of the graphics subsystem (hitting cntl-alt-delete) will cause all audio to glitch for half a second.
It's an amazing operating system.
this is about speculation about the possibility of a service pack being released by Microsoft.this is about speculation about the possibility of a service pack being released by Microsoft.
for an OS no one is using. Microsoft promissed to release SP1 some time first quarter of 2008, so there's no real news here. SP1 itself only of interest to those poor deluded people who think SP1 is going to make a difference in Vista performance. You can feel the cognitive dissidence radiating from people like this but they are few and far between. The rest of the world has written Vista off.
Why am I even reading these comments? Microsoft story comments are mega-Gauss troll magnets.
surfing outside our informed group here, websites talk about recent fantastic record results and outlooks for Microsoft, among other things fueled by strong Windows growth. ... where do they get there information from.
Yes, some news sources take what M$ says at face value. Outside M$NBC and the Wintel press, there's not many of them.
One of the more interesting, but old, trick M$ pulled over the year was to delay $1 billion dollars in revenue. The excuse was the late start of Vista last year. The delay makes it look like they were having a surge of profit (3.6 becomes 4.7) instead of the flat performance of reality. Vista sales were actually falling while M$ proclaimed strength and growth and backed it with phony profit statements. This is par for the M$ PR team but most people would consider it fraud.
Sorry AC but Vista is a failure.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Vista SP1 is essentially an upgrade to a non-server version of Windows 2008. After the upgrade, the build number is updated from 6000 to 6001, just like Windows 2008 has. Vista SP1 can be called Windows 2008 Professional by analogy with Windows 2000.
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Can you confirm actual performance improvements?
Vista is dog-fucking-slow on my C2D Conroe 2.66GHz machine w/ 2GB of RAM, 7200RPM SATA HDD and a GF7950 compared to Ubuntu.
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It will be the platform for all future updates, and Windows Update will nag you silly until you install it.
Huh... That's odd. I haven't seen a Windows Update nag since I installed Ubuntu last year and put Windows in VM, where it belongs.
Nobody is putting off releasing software, migrating systems, or so on until Windows 7 comes around. While they do that, their whole business will suffer. [...] 3-5 months, maybe. 16 months- you're out of your mind.
Read it and weep, Hot Stuff: Consumers are buying what's shoved at them , but even arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080106-despite-problems-consumers-choosing-vista-over-xp.html says (and references more solid data) that they're not necessarily *running* it, and 70% of small businesses are sticking with XP when purchasing new systems. What exactly are they suffering from, aside from saving a little money and getting a little better performance? What fools are releasing Vista-only software with a 1/3 adoption rate in your own platform base after a year? Yep, someone's suffering, but it ain't the folks waiting to see what shakes out.
I think not...(*poof*)
No compatibility, fucked up exclusive drivers for their hardware.
I use Winblows to play games and now that shit is ruined by Vista.
OpenGL errors....
FUCK VISTA!
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Finer trolls have walked the hollowed grounds of Slashdot, though verily none as astute as you. Props. Major props.
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[...] Windows 7 release [...] about 2013, at which point it will have half the initially promised feature set and require at least a 40-core processor to work properly. [...]
Will I be able to play Duke Nukem Forever on Windows 7 in collaboration mode with my Xbox 900 ?
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I think you are missing the point.
The problem is not updates. The problem is being forced to do updates; the 100+ updates mentioned above fix security bugs only.
The biggest problem is that Microsoft makes it difficult to do the updates, instead of easy; it is the adversarial behavior that is disgusting.
When a computer running Microsoft Windows is infected, it cannot be connected to a network of other computers, because it may infect them, also. And many computers are stand-alone; they are not connected to Microsoft's expensive server.
This is important enough to say it again: Many of Microsoft's actions are against the interests of the customer, like releasing unfinished software, such as Windows Vista.
I read up on service pack 3 for XP.
Microsoft said they're finally going to address literacy problems by making XP take 14 hours to boot. In theory they said, people should get a lot of reading done within that time frame. When asked why the feature won't be included on Vista, the rep explained Vista was a multimedia OS and therefore people wanted to use it to watch movies and play music not read some crumby book.
I have nothing compelling to say
> Vista SP1 Release May Be Near
Run!!!
Really editors, long-awaited? Come on, Vista's only been out a year. It was a year after XP's release before we got a Service Pack.
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NAP Isolation. One of the many reasons to upgrade to Vista.
When a computer running Microsoft Windows is infected, it cannot be connected to a network of other computers, because it may infect them, also. And many computers are stand-alone; they are not connected to Microsoft's expensive server. It's just as easy to run Windows Updates as it is to use Synaptic or Apple's Software Updates - two mouse-clicks at the most. Also, if you have an infected machine, yes, you should get it off of the rest of the network before it infects others. This is just as true of Mac OS X, Ubuntu, or any other operating system as it is of Windows. That's called "best practices" right there. Also, Windows and Microsoft Updates are both free for those that have valid Windows licensing, just like Apple's Software Updates are free for those with valid OS X licensing and Ubuntu's Synaptic is free for those that have valid GNU licensing.
Look, I'm all for bashing Microsoft. I think Vista is a pile of crap, too. I think WGA is obnoxious and counterproductive. I also agree that many of Microsoft's actions are more for its benefit than for any benefit possibly derived by their end-users. However, if you're going to bash Microsoft, you should come up with real, legitimate reasons to do so, instead of just making them up on the fly.